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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: Detox Iz Not Active on November 02, 2007, 02:03:34 PM
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Politically, gangsta rap, everything, Pac can't fukk with Cube
Amerikkka's Most Wanted alone>>>2pac career, and Death Certificate is his best album
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last I checked Cube wasn't on "Niggaz4Life"
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last I checked Cube wasn't on "Niggaz4Life"
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Strawberries > Blueberries
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last I checked Cube wasn't on "Niggaz4Life"
haha, didn't realize I put that up
either way , doesn't change anything
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i totally agree
i keep saying it, how many rappers have 4 non-arguable classics (1st nwa, 1st westside connection, 1st 2 solos) and then 2 more extremely arguable ones (predator & lethal injection)
that's 6 classics...who else? the answer is nobody.
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last I checked Cube wasn't on "Niggaz4Life"
haha, didn't realize I put that up
either way , doesn't change anything
lol it's all good man
I personally like Pac better, but Death Certificate, Amerikkka's Most, and Lethal Injection are my fave Cube albums, and shit on alotta albums out period
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I think Pacs the better rapper but Cube made better albums. Cube got one of it not the best catalogues. People would have him top 3 if he didnt do kids movies. He needs to start calling himself the greatest to ever do it and that'll get people recognizing.
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Yeah but that doesn't mean 2Pacs discography doesn't see Cubes on ANY level. Thats biased.
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Yeah but that doesn't mean 2Pacs discography doesn't see Cubes on ANY level. Thats biased.
yeah plus Pac died when he was 25 and he kept improving all the shit he did later in his career was better than his first few albums would've liked to see his discography at this point if he was still alive
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Yeah but that doesn't mean 2Pacs discography doesn't see Cubes on ANY level. Thats biased.
yeah plus Pac died when he was 25 and he kept improving all the shit he did later in his career was better than his first few albums would've liked to see his discography at this point if he was still alive
yeah exactally
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It might not be viewed as a classic but in my eyes 2pac's "Me Against The World" album is a classic. to me Pac has four classic Me Against The World, All Eyez On Me Disc 1 & Disc 2 then Makaveil album is classic to me as well
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newsflash........album for album, with the exception of Outkast maybe, noone is fucking with Cube.....there's a reason he's one of the GOATS
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with all seriousness everyone should know 'Lethal Injection' isn't that good.
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with all seriousness everyone should know 'Lethal Injection' isn't that good.
With all seriousness delete your account right now.
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Cube's CLASSICS to me = Amerikkka's Most Wanted & Death Certificate, Lethal Injection had some of his best songs but to me that whole abum wasn't CLASSIC, in my opinion, but it was still dope as fuck...
Pac's CLASSICS to me = Me Against The World, All Eyez On Me, and Don Killuminati: The 7 Day Theory
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with all seriousness everyone should know 'Lethal Injection' isn't that good.
With all seriousness delete your account right now.
what about that got you so butthurt its the truth nig
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lethal injection is better then anything cubes done other then death certificate and bow down. albums an amazing transition into gfunk.
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i dont amerikkkaz most wanted that much, only a few songs his other shit is amazing though...dont know why?
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WestSide Connection or NWA albums shouldnt count as Cube solo albums :nawty: AEOM is CLassic in my Mind. Makaveli is CLassic in my mind and Me againt the world is classic.
Cube Amw and death Certificate are classic
Lethal Injection and Predator :-\ Good but not classic in my opinion
Pac 3
Ice Cube 2
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Come on man there both Great MC's , you cant say whos better out of 2 pac & ice cube , thats like sayin Which is better COCA COLA OR PEPSI !!!!! 8) 8)
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^^^ Coca Cola is Def better then pepsi you idiot!
J/k :laugh:
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pac's w/e a doubt better 8)
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How can this be taken serious ?
Pac was active from 91-96, in case u can't count.. that's FIVE years.
And Cube has been active since 86... 21 years..
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pac can't even come close to touchin cube.
i dont amerikkkaz most wanted that much, only a few songs his other shit is amazing though...dont know why?
i don't like amerikkkaz most wanted much either.
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ive never really liked whole Pac albums. Theres always a couple weak songs on them for me where as Cube keeps the heat coming. If Pac has 3 classics then Cube has 3 solo classics.
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wack ass thread.
Sure, Cube is a good rapper...but pac ain't even in the same level as him? lol.
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with all seriousness everyone should know 'Lethal Injection' isn't that good.
With all seriousness delete your account right now.
what about that got you so butthurt its the truth nig
Im not butthurt and you obviously didnt hear the whole album.Lethal Injection could be considered one his best albums.U cant deny CUBE>PAC
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this is true to a certain extent, it really isnt fair to compare to the 2 cuz Pac died right at the beginning of his prime...
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with all seriousness everyone should know 'Lethal Injection' isn't that good.
With all seriousness delete your account right now.
what about that got you so butthurt its the truth nig
Im not butthurt and you obviously didnt hear the whole album.Lethal Injection could be considered one his best albums.U cant deny CUBE>PAC
why not?
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Actually this is a good thread. Good arguments on both sides. My 2 favorite artists. Really hard to say who has a better catalogue. I personally would give the edge to Cube, but IF you add all the unreleased material Pac had and add it to the discussion in its original form it's up for debate. 2pac was getting better and had not reached his prime yet.
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i give the edge to cube, but they both greats with great music.
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Yeah I gotta agree with the topic statement. Cube = GOAT. Name any subject and I bet you Cube has a song about it.
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pac only has 1 classic
his double LP was filled wtih tons of fillers
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^ Make that 3
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I have said this before, they both legends & got classics. But i feel like that Pac has always been too much overrated
Ice Cube>Tupac
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pac only has 1 classic
his double LP was filled wtih tons of fillers
He has at least 2. Makaveli and Me Against The World. And I actually thought MATW>AEOM. Pac was coming into his prime around the time Bow Down came out and Cube's last solo was Lethal Injection. Both are basically from 2 different time frames of hip hop so by the time Pac got going, he was killed.
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u can't say Pac wasn't seeing him LOL, if anything they are the 2 best of alltime and leave it at that 8)
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i dont amerikkkaz most wanted that much, only a few songs his other shit is amazing though...dont know why?
it might be that amerikkkaz most wanted was a east coast produced album & not west coast produced album .amerikkkaz most wanted was all bomb squad production aka public emeny's producers. the west of ice cubes solo albums are est coast produce .also to me ice cube & 2pac are equals . did you forget ice cube was on 2pac's second album.
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Pac was better in my opinion... he had more passion better flow.... just killed shit... he was able to switch his flow emotion passion rhymes to be relevant to whatever type or topic of a track he did... made you feel like a more personal connection... dont know... but pac is something else.
but i have never really felt Cube all that much... he is great but i like other artist more than him... call me weird but i like WC more than cube... banging ass music
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^^^ Coca Cola is Def better then pepsi you idiot!
J/k :laugh:
Pepsi's #1!!!!!!!
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2pac was getting better and had not reached his prime yet.
In all seriousness, Most artists can't maintain... Maybe that's why the artists that have died young,(i.e. Hendrix,Cobain,Joplin) 2pac... are so celebrated. They never had a chance to disappoint us. Look at the ones that survived.. they can't keep it up, not one of them.
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2pac was getting better and had not reached his prime yet.
In all seriousness, Most artists can't maintain... Maybe that's why the artists that have died young,(i.e. Hendrix,Cobain,Joplin) 2pac... are so celebrated. They never had a chance to disappoint us. Look at the ones that survived.. they can't keep it up, not one of them.
True you take that into consideration, but this topic is about a better catalog. All those artists you mentioned, like Pac, had a very extensive catalogue of music also. 2pac for example for those had even heard the unreleased material was still bringing the heat. That is why so many people are pissed off the music is altered and remixed. Those artists for the most part are celebrated because most were some of the best if not the best and what they did at the time they passed away.
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How can this be taken serious ?
Pac was active from 91-96, in case u can't count.. that's FIVE years.
And Cube has been active since 86... 21 years..
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Case closed. If you want to argue that Cube had a better catalogue fine. But you can't say that since he did, he was better then 2Pac. 2Pac had only FIVE YEARS to display his talent.
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How can this be taken serious ?
Pac was active from 91-96, in case u can't count.. that's FIVE years.
And Cube has been active since 86... 21 years..
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Case closed. If you want to argue that Cube had a better catalogue fine. But you can't say that since he did, he was better then 2Pac. 2Pac had only FIVE YEARS to display his talent.
LOL @ case closed
I went from 88-96, I didn't list 21 years worth of music
these 2pac groupies are sad
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Crooked I's discog is better than these 2 put together.
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Cube is on another level he doesent put that much emotion in songs atleast i cant feel it most of the time he come's off as trying to be hard wich reflects in his rhymes wich are about reality blown outta proportion to make his image look harder.I dont fall for that trick alotta of his tracks are gimmicks and he have alotta garbage club tracks to like put your back in it and some crunk joints cube aint even top10 maye he's nr 1 in the gangsta poser rankin dude just try's to hard plz i have all his cd's and in 6 year i dident even listen to a single one as to pac gets play every month cube's stuff sounds outdated when you play that shit now he's average to me .
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bullshit thread :-X
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I don't see the point of this as Pac died more than 10 years ago.
Both Cube and Pac are legends, thread would make more sense to compare Cube to someone from the East that is also considered a legend who is still alive... maybe Rakim or Nas?
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yea that's true cube had some raw shit
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I'm a huge fan of both of them, so i don't want to be seen as a personal supporter of one of those two only. But the truth is that Pac had Me Against The World, All Eyez On Me and Killuminati who can be easly be considered CLASSICS. And he has a large collection of unreleased songs who could be used to make another classic album or two. It's not Pac's faul he died. Anyway:
1) like somebody said, you're comparing a 21 years old career to a 5 years old one
2) Pac dead is still outselling Cube
Anyway don't get me wrong, i love Cube. I love Cube, i love Pac, i love Kurupt, MC Eiht, Quik.. i love them all. But Pac was the man.
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I'm a huge fan of both of them, so i don't want to be seen as a personal supporter of one of those two only. But the truth is that Pac had Me Against The World, All Eyez On Me and Killuminati who can be easly be considered CLASSICS. And he has a large collection of unreleased songs who could be used to make another classic album or two. It's not Pac's faul he died. Anyway:
1) like somebody said, you're comparing a 21 years old career to a 5 years old one
2) Pac dead is still outselling Cube
Anyway don't get me wrong, i love Cube. I love Cube, i love Pac, i love Kurupt, MC Eiht, Quik.. i love them all. But Pac was the man.
yep 3 of the 5 albums he completed before he died can be considered classic, damn shame that had to happen Pac would record so much material in so little time its like he was in a zone when he was in the studio
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Yeah but that doesn't mean 2Pacs discography doesn't see Cubes on ANY level. Thats biased.
yeah plus Pac died when he was 25 and he kept improving all the shit he did later in his career was better than his first few albums would've liked to see his discography at this point if he was still alive
word
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Crooked I's discog is better than these 2 put together.
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2pac is better
but cube is very dope
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that's 6 classics...who else? the answer is nobody.
LL COOL J!!
Crooked I's discog is better than these 2 put together.
Word to mother.
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LOL is this thread some kind of joke? Pac is hands down the GOAT and has an undeniable 3 classics in MATW, AEOM, and Makavelli. I personallyt then again never felt a few albums other people consider classics, but to say Cube is a better overall artist is a joke Pac touched more peoples hearts then Cube can only begin to dream of.
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This threads is interesting. I've been following it, but never had time to respond. My 2 cents. Ice Cube's career is very consistent, and his put together a good number of classics. 2Pac on the other hand started out slow, but died at the peak of his career. I will not judge 'Pac based off releases after his death, that's unfair to say the least.
Debut solos:
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After reading reviews I will say this, most people are too inlove with 2Pac to admit his debut was not as good as we all wanted it to be. On the other side, Ice Cube released an straight classic, on of the best inside looks at life for a young male in South Central. Where 2Pac fails is he might have been to political. Many connect to it now, but it was Ice Cube in 1990 and 1991 that dominated West Coast rap, and this CD showed why. AmeriKKKa'z Most was political, but it was also very streets, had lots of stories, and Ice Cube won the round of who had the better solo debut.
Edge: Ice Cube
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Well 2Pac waited a couple of years to get a better sound with the help of Shock G, Ice Cube got in the lab right away, and both came out with albums that improved of their debuts. 2Pac had more radio friendly songs, like I Get Around and Keep Your Head Up, where as Ice Cube released one of the most raw diss tracks ever, No Vaseline. Like AmeriKKKa'z Most, Cube continues to sell a great number of records without much radio play, were as 2Pac finally found his place on not only Hip-Hop stations, but also pop stations and MTV. Cube's album could have been the soundtrack to the riots which were only 5 months after this album. This album for Cube was his best, he was Cube in his prime, again with stories, but more anger, this album was raw, and without question a certified classic. So well 'Pac got better, Cube wins this round.
Edge: Ice Cube
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This might be the match up of both artist in their commerical prime. 2Pac hit the radios with Dear Mama, So Many Tears and Ice Cube had It Was a Good Day and Check Yo'Self. But the thing is, Ice Cube basically follows the same formula as his first two albums, it doesn't seem as raw as before, this album is overshadowed by his radio hit, where as 2Pac's radio hits get overshadowed by his album. 2Pac reveals himself in ways no other rappers ever have, and without question drops a certified classic. The Predator gets Ice Cube more sales than ever, but it was 2Pac's look into self, and the innercity life as a child that steals this round.
Edge: 2Pac
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I try not to be biased here, but I'll say this, I remember in 1996, just listening to All Eyez on me, and thinking I'm hearing the greatest rapper ever. OK, enough with the side notes here. I think both albums are very simular, and if All Eyez On Me was just disc one this one would be hard to judge. But All Eyez is no one disc, but 2. And if you listen to it, you'd hear that disc 1 seemed like it was for the fans, the radio and just 2Pac making hot music. But disc 2 was for him, introducing his Outlawz, hooking up with the Bay and having songs that he'd listen to. On the other hand, Leathal Injection seemed like a CD Ice Cube did to stay inline with the new sound of 1993 when it was released. Cube had his radio tracks, but also his more layed back high gangsta face on. Gone was the drugs are the white devils trap, here was the full acceptance of what is West Coast Hip-Hop post Chronic and It Was a Good Day. This album for Cube actually seemed to want to put together his older material but with It Was a Good Day type beats. 2Pac on the other hand just went all out. With the best production of his career, 2Pac released a party classic thanks to Dr. Dre, he put out the greatest diss song since No Vaseline with Hit 'Em Up (though that was on the b-side of a single he had for How Do You Want It) and 2Pac sold over 5.5 million copies according to soundscan, and since this is a double CD that's over 11million sold. So where it seemed Ice Cube was trying to find a new way to put out his message, 2Pac seemed to be fully in his prime.
Edge: 2Pac
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Seeing that his career was not what it once was, Cube takes a break, and releases an album with his new group the Westside Connection. It would be 5 years since Lethal Injection that we see another Ice Cube solo. On the flip side, 8 months after All Eyez On Me, and one month after his death, 2Pac releases what was suppose to be called the Makaveli Album, The Don Killuminati: The 7 Day Theory. The time off for Ice Cube was well needed, War and Peace, the War disc was much improved over Lethal Injection, Ice Cube seemed to be ready to go back to what made him Cube, hard beats, street sound and though the topics where never the same, you can tell he still had it. But Makaveli was on another world, with this CD 2Pac became the greatest rapper to ever grap the mic. With songs like Blasphmy he elevated his game to nothing seen, ever. His flow was hard, and you can tell he spit every world with all his heart. His radio songs were hot, and they fit the album, as oppose to standing out or sticking out as the radio songs. A perfect album, it is hard to say the War disc, the Peace disc or Smile Now Cry Later can compare.
Edge: 2Pac
Overall edge, I give to 2Pac. Ice Cube had a very strong beginning, and his still a great rapper, but 2Pac got better and better and better until he became the greatest rapper. There is no question Ice Cube is top 5 rappers ever. But honestly, 2Pac was a serious cat, and at the end of the day I can't see anyone touching him.
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How can this be taken serious ?
Pac was active from 91-96, in case u can't count.. that's FIVE years.
And Cube has been active since 86... 21 years..
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I agree. Pac was young and didn't really get a chance as much as Cube did, even though he said he was gonna go into acting more. They both have different styles and are the best at what they bring to the table. Gotta give it up to both of them.
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Lemme just say I love both artists, so lets not hate on one to praise the other. OK..a couple of points:
1)I've had this argument with Jay and Nas fans..but not all classics are created equal. Pac may have Classics like Cube, but IMO he doesnt have a Death Certificate or Amerikkkas Most Wanted. IMO, Death Certificate is the GOAT Rap LP, period. That album is pure perfection, no weak tracks, all with a message, with a great concept. I love AEOM, 7 Day, and MATW...I just dont think they're on that level.
2)When we make these comparisons..how can we leave out Cube's group work?? You realize that's still part of his discogaphy. This is the guy who wrote the majority of Straight Outta Compton, he deserves credit for that. And he was the frontman of WSC, he was the voice and face of WSC when Bow Down dropped...that album is a group album, but its also very much a Cube album. We cant just ignore these albums for "convenience", after all the title of this thread is "catologue" not "solo catologue".
Now, when you include the group work, how can people still say Pac has a better discography?? Straight Outta Compton, AMW, Death Certificate, Bow Down...too much heat. Hell, throw in Kill at Will..the GOAT EP imo. Then you throw in Predator and Lethal Injection and it starts goin overboard. I love Pacs discography, its top 5 to me, I just think Cube is #1. The only MC who can compee is KRS.
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Also..people need to quit actin like Cube has been active in the music biz since '96. LNCL was his first solo in SIX 6 years..so yeah, he's still alive, but the majority of his catologue is still 89-96...he's been absent from the music scene since. Only in the last year has he been getting active again. You guys are actin like Cube has been droppin mad LPs since Pac died.
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I don't think people are acting like he has been that active. He on average drops something group or solo every 2-3 years since he has been out. Compared to Snoop's and Pac's break neck speed of putting material out, most artists could not keep up with that.
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cube is the only rap artist thats fucking with pac,i say its a tie,i could listen to a pac whole album,the only cube whole album i could listen 2 is bow down,cube always got alot of wack ass beats but cube is a great rapper,one of my top 5,i just wish all of his beats was heat,i a pick pac if i had 2 choose bewteen pac or cube,pac albums got the whole package,he got the beats,the lyrics and the dope hooks,cube albums just have the lyrics,2pac all eyes on me is a classic,makaveli=classic,betters days is dope,me against the world is dope,but cube is a legend,damn its hard 2 choose between them 2 when it come 2 rap,because cube started this gangsta shit,his history should speak for it self,and cube still doing his thang,his lyrics never been weak,and will never be weak,its a tie in my opion,i agree that its like saying whats better,pepsi or coco cola,
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yea i gotta give it 2pac,like i said,pac got the whole package,beats,lyrics and dope hooks,he got more better songs then cube,cube just be haveing dope lyrics most of the time,pac did his thang,but other then pac,cube is the king of the west,as of now,gott agive cube his credit,i love cube,
2pac
ice cube
crooked i
sly boogy
suga free
=the best west rappers of all time,in my opion,
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yea i gotta give it 2pac,like i said,pac got the whole package,beats,lyrics and dope hooks,he got more better songs then cube,cube just be haveing dope lyrics most of the time,pac did his thang,but other then pac,cube is the king of the west,as of now,gott agive cube his credit,i love cube,
2pac
ice cube
crooked i
sly boogy
suga free
=the best west rappers of all time,in my opion,
lmfao at sly boogy (who?) and crooked i
can you list their classic albums please? 8)
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Name any subject and I bet you Cube has a song about it.
Oh come on... no one had an artistically range like 2pac. Cube could've never made Keep Ya Head Up, Dear Mama, How Do U Want It++
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strickly 4 ma NIGGAZ only pac clasicc album,how some shit can be a clasic and got only 3 good songs on album like rest off pac albums.Cube i waaaaaay better do real shit from start,pac start act like G when he sing wit DR.lets be real
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strickly 4 ma NIGGAZ only pac clasicc album,how some shit can be a clasic and got only 3 good songs on album like rest off pac albums.Cube i waaaaaay better do real shit from start,pac start act like G when he sing wit DR.lets be real
You think albums like Me Against The World and Makaveli only have a couple good tracks on them?
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strickly 4 ma NIGGAZ only pac clasicc album,how some shit can be a clasic and got only 3 good songs on album like rest off pac albums.Cube i waaaaaay better do real shit from start,pac start act like G when he sing wit DR.lets be real
Now that's funny shit right there!
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pac's w/e a doubt better 8)
agree with ya
Crooked I's discog is better than these 2 put together.
Oh really lol Crooked I's discog is better (stfu) tell him to relase his album before 2015 or go back with old scary suga bear
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i totally agree
i keep saying it, how many rappers have 4 non-arguable classics (1st nwa, 1st westside connection, 1st 2 solos) and then 2 more extremely arguable ones (predator & lethal injection)
that's 6 classics...who else? the answer is TOO $HORT ;)
-> Born to mack ... Life is ... ... Short Dog's in the house ... Shorty the pimp ... Get in where you fit in ... Cocktails ... Gettin it ... They're all classic imo plus some of the Albums he dropped later are dope as fuck too 8)
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yea id take ice cubes SOLO albums over pac any day
pac was the shit
but niggaz 4 life was above average at best 2pacalypse i didn't like almost at all the only classics i think he has is me aginst the world and 7 day thoery
all eyes on me is overated as fuck cuz of sales there was wayyy to much filler but if u took the best songs form both cd's and made it into one it would be a fucking classic
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Name any subject and I bet you Cube has a song about it.
Oh come on... no one had an artistically range like 2pac. Cube could've never made Keep Ya Head Up, Dear Mama, How Do U Want It++
IT WAS A GOOD DAY , TRUE TO THE GAME , COLOR BLIND , PUSH RHYMES LIKE WEIGHT !!!!!
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yea id take ice cubes SOLO albums over pac any day
pac was the shit
but niggaz 4 life was above average at best 2pacalypse i didn't like almost at all the only classics i think he has is me aginst the world and 7 day thoery
all eyes on me is overated as fuck cuz of sales there was wayyy to much filler but if u took the best songs form both cd's and made it into one it would be a fucking classic
niggaz 4 life wasn't a Pac album
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Name any subject and I bet you Cube has a song about it.
Oh come on... no one had an artistically range like 2pac. Cube could've never made Keep Ya Head Up, Dear Mama, How Do U Want It++
IT WAS A GOOD DAY , TRUE TO THE GAME , COLOR BLIND , PUSH RHYMES LIKE WEIGHT !!!!!
all great, classic tracks...but not the same kind of songs as the ones I was referring to.
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Name any subject and I bet you Cube has a song about it.
Oh come on... no one had an artistically range like 2pac. Cube could've never made Keep Ya Head Up, Dear Mama, How Do U Want It++
IT WAS A GOOD DAY , TRUE TO THE GAME , COLOR BLIND , PUSH RHYMES LIKE WEIGHT !!!!!
all great, classic tracks...but not the same kind of songs as the ones I was referring to.
The only subject matter where you could say Pac touched that Cube didnt was music for the ladies. But other than that, you'd be crazy if you dont think Cube cant compare to Pac. When you wanna talk about tracks with social commentary, Pac aint seein Cube, and thats reaal talk I can name several tracks off Death Certificate that could end this debate.
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Name any subject and I bet you Cube has a song about it.
Oh come on... no one had an artistically range like 2pac. Cube could've never made Keep Ya Head Up, Dear Mama, How Do U Want It++
IT WAS A GOOD DAY , TRUE TO THE GAME , COLOR BLIND , PUSH RHYMES LIKE WEIGHT !!!!!
all great, classic tracks...but not the same kind of songs as the ones I was referring to.
The only subject matter where you could say Pac touched that Cube didnt was music for the ladies. But other than that, you'd be crazy if you dont think Cube cant compare to Pac. When you wanna talk about tracks with social commentary, Pac aint seein Cube, and thats reaal talk I can name several tracks off Death Certificate that could end this debate.
I love Cube, but you made me do it. 'Pac kills all rappers with this song. Cube can't touch this.
Artist: Makaveli (2Pac) f/ Prince Ital
Album: The Don Killuminati: The 7 Day Theory
Song: Blasphemy
*music from To Live & Die in L.A. fades*
[This Week in Bible Prophecy]
God has a plan -- and the bible unfolds that wonderful plan
through the message of prophecy
God sent Jesus into this world to be our saviour
And that Christ is returning, someday soon
to unfold the wonderful plan of eternity, for my life and your life
As long as we're cooperating with God
by accepting Jesus Christ as our personal Lord and saviour
And as the Lord does return in the coming seven days
We'll see you next time here on This Week in Bible Prophecy
[Tupac]
Tupac don't start that blasphemy in here!
Makaveli, the new breed -- and I remember what my pops told me
The new word, follow me -- remember what my pops told me
My family tree, consists of drug dealers, thugs and killers
Strugglin, known to hustle screamin fuck they feelings
I got advice from my father, all he told me was this
Niggaz, get off your ass if you plan to be rich
There's ten rules to the game, but I'll share with you two
Know, niggaz gon' hate you for whatever you do
Now rule one -- get your cash on, M.O.B.
That's Money Over Bitches, cause they breed envy
Now rule two is a hard one, watch for phonies
Keep yo', enemies close nigga, watch yo' homies
It seemed a little unimportant, when he told me I smiled
Picture jewels being handed, to an innocent child
I never knew in my lifetime I'd live by these rules
Initiated as an outlaw, studying rules
Now papa ain't around, so I gotta recall
or come to grips with bein on my enemy's wall (rest in peace)
Promised if I have a seed, I'ma guide him right
Dear Lord don't let me die tonite
I got words for my comrades, listen and learn
Ain't nuttin free, give back what you earn, no doubt
Gettin higher than a motherfucker, blessed and pleased
This Thug Life'll be the death of me, c'mon, yeah
And I remember what my papa told me
Remember what my papa told me, blasphemy
Chorus: Prince Ital
Love for dem dat steal in the name of da Lord
Dem a tell nuff lie but holdin my bird in a cloud
Usin de name of de Lord in vein
While de people in de ghetto, feel nuff pain
[Tupac]
We probably in Hell already, our dumb asses not knowin
Everybody kissin ass to go to heaven ain't goin
Put my soul on it, I'm fightin devil niggaz daily
Plus the media be crucifying brothers severly
Tell me I ain't God's son, nigga mom a virgin
We got addicted had to leave the burbs, back in the ghetto
doin wild shit, lookin at the sun don't pay
Criminal mind all the time, wait for Judgment Day
They say Moses split the Red Sea
I split the blunt and rolled the fat one, I'm deadly -- Babylon beware
Comin from the Pharoahe's kids, retaliation
Makin legends off the shit we did, still bullshittin
Niggaz in Jerusalem, waitin for signs
God promised, she's just takin her time, haha
Living by the Nile while the water flows
I'm contemplating plots wondering which door to go
Brothas getting shot, comin back resurrected
It's just that raw shit, nigga check it (that raw shit)
And I remember what my papa told me
Remember what my papa told me, blasphemy
Chorus
[Tupac]
The preacher want me buried why? Cause I know he a liar
Have you ever seen a crackhead, that's eternal fire
Why you got these kids minds, thinkin that they evil
while the preacher bein richer you say honor God's people
Should we cry, when the Pope die, my request
We should cry if they cried when we buried Malcolm X
Mama tell me am I wrong, is God just another cop
waitin to beat my ass if I don't go pop?
Memories of a past time, givin up cash
to the leaders, knowin damn well, it ain't gonna feed us
In my brain how can you explain, time in D.C.
It's hard enough to live now, in these times of greed
They say Jesus is a kind man, well he should understand
times in this crime man, my Thug nation
Do whatchu gotta do but know you gotta change
Try to find a way to make it out the game
I leave this and hope God can see my heart is pure
Is heaven just another door? I leave this here
I leave this and hope God see my heart is pure
Is heaven just another door? And my people say
Chorus 4X
Our father, who art in heaven
Hallow be thy name
Thy kingdom come, thy will be done
In earth, as it is in heaven
Give us this day, our daily bread
As we give up our debts
As we forgive our debt-ors
Lead us not into temptation
but deliver us, unevil
For God, is the kingdom, and the power
and the glory forever, and ever, and ever
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Name any subject and I bet you Cube has a song about it.
Oh come on... no one had an artistically range like 2pac. Cube could've never made Keep Ya Head Up, Dear Mama, How Do U Want It++
IT WAS A GOOD DAY , TRUE TO THE GAME , COLOR BLIND , PUSH RHYMES LIKE WEIGHT !!!!!
all great, classic tracks...but not the same kind of songs as the ones I was referring to.
The only subject matter where you could say Pac touched that Cube didnt was music for the ladies. But other than that, you'd be crazy if you dont think Cube cant compare to Pac. When you wanna talk about tracks with social commentary, Pac aint seein Cube, and thats reaal talk I can name several tracks off Death Certificate that could end this debate.
I love Cube, but you made me do it. 'Pac kills all rappers with this song. Cube can't touch this.
Artist: Makaveli (2Pac) f/ Prince Ital
Album: The Don Killuminati: The 7 Day Theory
Song: Blasphemy
*music from To Live & Die in L.A. fades*
[This Week in Bible Prophecy]
God has a plan -- and the bible unfolds that wonderful plan
through the message of prophecy
God sent Jesus into this world to be our saviour
And that Christ is returning, someday soon
to unfold the wonderful plan of eternity, for my life and your life
As long as we're cooperating with God
by accepting Jesus Christ as our personal Lord and saviour
And as the Lord does return in the coming seven days
We'll see you next time here on This Week in Bible Prophecy
[Tupac]
Tupac don't start that blasphemy in here!
Makaveli, the new breed -- and I remember what my pops told me
The new word, follow me -- remember what my pops told me
My family tree, consists of drug dealers, thugs and killers
Strugglin, known to hustle screamin fuck they feelings
I got advice from my father, all he told me was this
Niggaz, get off your ass if you plan to be rich
There's ten rules to the game, but I'll share with you two
Know, niggaz gon' hate you for whatever you do
Now rule one -- get your cash on, M.O.B.
That's Money Over Bitches, cause they breed envy
Now rule two is a hard one, watch for phonies
Keep yo', enemies close nigga, watch yo' homies
It seemed a little unimportant, when he told me I smiled
Picture jewels being handed, to an innocent child
I never knew in my lifetime I'd live by these rules
Initiated as an outlaw, studying rules
Now papa ain't around, so I gotta recall
or come to grips with bein on my enemy's wall (rest in peace)
Promised if I have a seed, I'ma guide him right
Dear Lord don't let me die tonite
I got words for my comrades, listen and learn
Ain't nuttin free, give back what you earn, no doubt
Gettin higher than a motherfucker, blessed and pleased
This Thug Life'll be the death of me, c'mon, yeah
And I remember what my papa told me
Remember what my papa told me, blasphemy
Chorus: Prince Ital
Love for dem dat steal in the name of da Lord
Dem a tell nuff lie but holdin my bird in a cloud
Usin de name of de Lord in vein
While de people in de ghetto, feel nuff pain
[Tupac]
We probably in Hell already, our dumb asses not knowin
Everybody kissin ass to go to heaven ain't goin
Put my soul on it, I'm fightin devil niggaz daily
Plus the media be crucifying brothers severly
Tell me I ain't God's son, nigga mom a virgin
We got addicted had to leave the burbs, back in the ghetto
doin wild shit, lookin at the sun don't pay
Criminal mind all the time, wait for Judgment Day
They say Moses split the Red Sea
I split the blunt and rolled the fat one, I'm deadly -- Babylon beware
Comin from the Pharoahe's kids, retaliation
Makin legends off the shit we did, still bullshittin
Niggaz in Jerusalem, waitin for signs
God promised, she's just takin her time, haha
Living by the Nile while the water flows
I'm contemplating plots wondering which door to go
Brothas getting shot, comin back resurrected
It's just that raw shit, nigga check it (that raw shit)
And I remember what my papa told me
Remember what my papa told me, blasphemy
Chorus
[Tupac]
The preacher want me buried why? Cause I know he a liar
Have you ever seen a crackhead, that's eternal fire
Why you got these kids minds, thinkin that they evil
while the preacher bein richer you say honor God's people
Should we cry, when the Pope die, my request
We should cry if they cried when we buried Malcolm X
Mama tell me am I wrong, is God just another cop
waitin to beat my ass if I don't go pop?
Memories of a past time, givin up cash
to the leaders, knowin damn well, it ain't gonna feed us
In my brain how can you explain, time in D.C.
It's hard enough to live now, in these times of greed
They say Jesus is a kind man, well he should understand
times in this crime man, my Thug nation
Do whatchu gotta do but know you gotta change
Try to find a way to make it out the game
I leave this and hope God can see my heart is pure
Is heaven just another door? I leave this here
I leave this and hope God see my heart is pure
Is heaven just another door? And my people say
Chorus 4X
Our father, who art in heaven
Hallow be thy name
Thy kingdom come, thy will be done
In earth, as it is in heaven
Give us this day, our daily bread
As we give up our debts
As we forgive our debt-ors
Lead us not into temptation
but deliver us, unevil
For God, is the kingdom, and the power
and the glory forever, and ever, and ever
Blasphemy is a great track, I always felt its lyrically Pacs best and is the best track on 7 Day. But it doesnt have near the social commentary that tracks like "I wanna kill Sam" or "Us" have...Blasphemy has much less subject matter, listen to the words, listen to the message. If you're objective you'll know what I mean.
Cube touched on topics people could relate to, he was a narrator on life in the ghetto, the gangbanging, being recruited to the army...Pac was delivering more of a message that was from his perspective. There's a big difference. Cube is the king of social commentary.
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This is not far fetched. But no one would ever be able to truely prove it. Pac fans are way too into him to admit any fault. I can honestly say that Pac didn't influence rappers like Cube did, when he was alive. Pac became much more popular once he died. Cube's influence started when Straight Outta Compton dropped. Cube influenced all of a Pac's swag. From "Hardcore" Gangsta to Socially Conscious Emcee, Cube did that.
Cube is a great writer, period. He's fell off now, but let's compare 5 years of their career.
Straight Outta Compton (88), AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted (90), Kill At Will (90), Death Certificate (91), Predator (92), Lethal Injection (93)
2Pacalypse Now (91), Strictly 4 My N.I.G.G.A.Z. (93), Thug Life (94), Me Against The World (95), All Eyez On Me (96), Makaveli (96)
No doubt in my mind Cube's records were much more solid. He has some duds in his catalog now (Terrorist Threats, War & Peace), but that's inevitable after 20 years in the game. Throw in Bow Down and Bootlegs and B-Sides just as icing on the cake. If Cube would've died after Bow Down he would've been looked at just like Pac, I honestly believe that. Since Pac died, it's cool to be a Pac fan. It's cool to be influenced by Pac. It's never been cool to be influenced by Cube, but guess what? Everyone from Pac to Bishop Lamont were influenced by Cube.
Cube >>>>>> Pac
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Name any subject and I bet you Cube has a song about it.
Oh come on... no one had an artistically range like 2pac. Cube could've never made Keep Ya Head Up, Dear Mama, How Do U Want It++
IT WAS A GOOD DAY , TRUE TO THE GAME , COLOR BLIND , PUSH RHYMES LIKE WEIGHT !!!!!
all great, classic tracks...but not the same kind of songs as the ones I was referring to.
The only subject matter where you could say Pac touched that Cube didnt was music for the ladies. But other than that, you'd be crazy if you dont think Cube cant compare to Pac. When you wanna talk about tracks with social commentary, Pac aint seein Cube, and thats reaal talk I can name several tracks off Death Certificate that could end this debate.
Pac couldn't do social commentary like Ice Cube, but he definately could do tracks in that "genre". While Cube could never do songs in the genre of Dear Mama and Keep Ya Head Up. And I never said Cube can't compare with 2pac, you fucking moron. I actually prefer Ice Cube over 2pac (both are personal favourites of mine), I just pointed out that subject matter is not one of the things that puts Cube over 2pac, because muscial diversity was, if not the, at least one of the things that made 2pac into the legend he is.
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the only thing Pac has over Cube is groupies 8)
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Name any subject and I bet you Cube has a song about it.
Oh come on... no one had an artistically range like 2pac. Cube could've never made Keep Ya Head Up, Dear Mama, How Do U Want It++
IT WAS A GOOD DAY , TRUE TO THE GAME , COLOR BLIND , PUSH RHYMES LIKE WEIGHT !!!!!
all great, classic tracks...but not the same kind of songs as the ones I was referring to.
The only subject matter where you could say Pac touched that Cube didnt was music for the ladies. But other than that, you'd be crazy if you dont think Cube cant compare to Pac. When you wanna talk about tracks with social commentary, Pac aint seein Cube, and thats reaal talk I can name several tracks off Death Certificate that could end this debate.
Pac couldn't do social commentary like Ice Cube, but he definately could do tracks in that "genre". While Cube could never do songs in the genre of Dear Mama and Keep Ya Head Up. And I never said Cube can't compare with 2pac, you fucking moron. I actually prefer Ice Cube over 2pac (both are personal favourites of mine), I just pointed out that subject matter is not one of the things that puts Cube over 2pac, because muscial diversity was, if not the, at least one of the things that made 2pac into the legend he is.
What the...dude relax with the insults. Everyone in this thread so far has been respectful, lets keep it that way. Seriously, if you're gonna start gettin heated over this discussion you need to grow up, quick. Its a fuckin message board.
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jesus, "you fucking moron" isn't getting heated... It's a discussion, I talk like that... don't get all butt hurt over it :laugh: And don't put words in my mouth...
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jesus, "you fucking moron" isn't getting heated... It's a discussion, I talk like that... don't get all butt hurt over it :laugh: And don't put words in my mouth...
Aight fair enough
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Dont touch 2Pac , Both of them great ,Each of them great on
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jesus, "you fucking moron" isn't getting heated... It's a discussion, I talk like that... don't get all butt hurt over it :laugh: And don't put words in my mouth...
Aight fair enough
It's all good in the dubcc-hood ;)
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Y don't u just make a "2Pac or Ice Cube" poll? lol. I'd like to see the results.
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LOL @ those lyircs being posted like that's supposed to mean something
Fresh out of school cause I was a high school grad
gots to get a job cuz I was a high school dad
Wish I got paid like I was rappin' to the nation
but thats not likely, so here's my application
Pass it to the man at AT&T
Cuz when I was in school I got the a. e. e.
But there's no s. e. for this youngsta
I didn't have no money so now I have to hunch the
Back like a slave, thats what be happenin
but whitey says there's no room for the African
Always knew that I would boycott, jeez
but welcome to McDonalds can I take your order please
Gotta sell ya food that might give you cancer
cuz my baby doesn't take no for an answer
Now I pay taxes that you never give me back
what about diapers, bottles, and similac
Do I gotta go sell me a whole lotta crack
for decent shelter and clothes on my back?
Or should I just wait for help from Bush
or Jesse Jackson, and operation Push
If you ask me the whole thing needs a douch
a masengel what the hell cracker sale in the neighborhood
To the whorehouse bitches,
Miss porker, little joe or Todd Bridges
Or anybody that he know
so I got me a bird, better known as a kilo
Now everybody know I went from po' to a nigga that got dough
So now you put the feds against me
cause I couldn't follow the plan of the presidency
I'm never givin' love again
Cuz blacks are too fuckin broke to be republican
Now I remember I used to be cool
till I stopped fillin' out my W-2
Now senators are gettin' hired
and your plan against the ghetto backfired
So now you got a pep talk
but sorry, this is our only room to walk
Cause we don't want a drug push
But a bird in the hand is worth more than the bush
that song alone outshines pacs career
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Ice Cube 8)
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true
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The 7th Day Theory Is Better Than Death Certificate And Any Cube Album...And I Love Cube But That Album Can't Be Fucked With Period....
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last I checked Cube wasn't on "Niggaz4Life"
haha, didn't realize I put that up
either way , doesn't change anything
me against the world > cube's career
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Cube fell of way back in 94. When dude dropped The Predator it was a wrap for dude.
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i like tupacs overall production better, tupac is overrated but damn on those deathrow beats i cant think of anyone else that can beat that.
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How can this be taken serious ?
Pac was active from 91-96, in case u can't count.. that's FIVE years.
And Cube has been active since 86... 21 years..
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I agree if pac was active fo 21 years i think he did 20 album solo !!
Since Thug Life Pac did classic! all his album are classic
Thug Life
Me Against The World
All Eyez On Me
Makaveli
Now imagine if he was still alive
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Long Beach Iz Active: You talked shit on the first page. You can't compare A & B, hip hop aint' about comparing artists and their discographies.
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ice cube is a better rapper than 2pac was period. was 2pac more gangsta than ice cube? arguably.
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This thread is back?
This is not far fetched. But no one would ever be able to truely prove it. Pac fans are way too into him to admit any fault. I can honestly say that Pac didn't influence rappers like Cube did, when he was alive. Pac became much more popular once he died. Cube's influence started when Straight Outta Compton dropped. Cube influenced all of a Pac's swag. From "Hardcore" Gangsta to Socially Conscious Emcee, Cube did that.
Cube is a great writer, period. He's fell off now, but let's compare 5 years of their career.
Straight Outta Compton (88), AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted (90), Kill At Will (90), Death Certificate (91), Predator (92), Lethal Injection (93)
2Pacalypse Now (91), Strictly 4 My N.I.G.G.A.Z. (93), Thug Life (94), Me Against The World (95), All Eyez On Me (96), Makaveli (96)
No doubt in my mind Cube's records were much more solid. He has some duds in his catalog now (Terrorist Threats, War & Peace), but that's inevitable after 20 years in the game. Throw in Bow Down and Bootlegs and B-Sides just as icing on the cake. If Cube would've died after Bow Down he would've been looked at just like Pac, I honestly believe that. Since Pac died, it's cool to be a Pac fan. It's cool to be influenced by Pac. It's never been cool to be influenced by Cube, but guess what? Everyone from Pac to Bishop Lamont were influenced by Cube.
Cube >>>>>> Pac
In what you are saying you are putting influence, the trouble with that argument is that yes, 'Pac did die, and that we will never know if that was the driving force behind his influence or not. Reality is that 'Pac is a larger influence on music than Cube is today. Gangsta Rap is dead, and right now a lot of dudes copy 'Pac still. Now his influence is fading, but the impact of both are there in rap music today.
'Pac had a huge impact in terms of social content in both positive and negative. Cube was very hard, very straight forward, were as 'Pac was more soft, and at the same time he could come hard. Comparing the two is like comparing Lebron and Kobe today in basketball. Cube is like Lebron, stronger, less versital but at the same time just so damn good. 'Pac is like Kobe, WAY more diverse in his style and can make a hit in different ways. Cube comes gangsta, hard, rough, 'Pac can go gangsta but then switch to soft with Dear Mama or do a party song like California Love or Tempations. To compare is more on what you like, if you like to just bang music, then you go with Cube, if you like to reflect, then you go 'Pac. I think lyrically, 'Pac is better, so that's were I'd put the tie breaker, but it's all preference.
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All of those are arguably. Why you compare artists like when you're 10? This is straight bullshit. You can't compare these artists. Both are different, one of them died when he was 25. 2Pac was a real poet and revolutionary person, did a lot of things for hood and people. He was a genius plus he killed every verse anytime.
Cube is a pioneer as well, with N.W.A. plus his successful albums. But, I like 'Pac's lyrics most.
And If you can compare, then I don't give a fuck. Because nobody can say: ''he's better than him'' officially. It's only your opinion and I don't really give an attention. Stop comparing.
I'm all good, I'm hood
I'm Ice Cube before he turned soft and went Hollywood
+ Cube started with N.W.A. 'Pac started with Digital Underground, but he wasn't an official member. Please don't think that I'm Cube's hater, I'm a big fan. But I don't like comparing.
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This is not far fetched. But no one would ever be able to truely prove it. Pac fans are way too into him to admit any fault. I can honestly say that Pac didn't influence rappers like Cube did, when he was alive. Pac became much more popular once he died. Cube's influence started when Straight Outta Compton dropped. Cube influenced all of a Pac's swag. From "Hardcore" Gangsta to Socially Conscious Emcee, Cube did that.
Cube is a great writer, period. He's fell off now, but let's compare 5 years of their career.
Straight Outta Compton (88), AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted (90), Kill At Will (90), Death Certificate (91), Predator (92), Lethal Injection (93)
2Pacalypse Now (91), Strictly 4 My N.I.G.G.A.Z. (93), Thug Life (94), Me Against The World (95), All Eyez On Me (96), Makaveli (96)
No doubt in my mind Cube's records were much more solid. He has some duds in his catalog now (Terrorist Threats, War & Peace), but that's inevitable after 20 years in the game. Throw in Bow Down and Bootlegs and B-Sides just as icing on the cake. If Cube would've died after Bow Down he would've been looked at just like Pac, I honestly believe that. Since Pac died, it's cool to be a Pac fan. It's cool to be influenced by Pac. It's never been cool to be influenced by Cube, but guess what? Everyone from Pac to Bishop Lamont were influenced by Cube.
Cube >>>>>> Pac
sgv throws the knockout punch...
i agree 100%...
it cracks me up that a lot of these hardcore pac fans were in diapers when he died yet claim he was the greatest back then when simply he wasnt