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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: Al Bundy on December 22, 2007, 02:58:57 PM
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I'll go against the grain for this one but seriously:
2Pac can't turn water to wine
2pac can't turn a shit salad into a chicken salad
2pac can't "save hip-hop"
2pac can't end global warming
The unbelievable dick riding by fans from here to Romania is disgusting. Don't get shit twisted, he was talented and had alot of dope songs but some people treat his shit like he's the reincarnate of jesus. IMO there are so many other artists i'd rather listen to new or old. I'm not scared to say that I rarely ever listen to 2Pac anymore compared to when I first got into his shit (no homo) he'd have constant rotation. I don't give a fuck less when a new song leaks that's surrounded by drama and bullshit. I'm tired of you euro-thugs sucking each other dicks downplaying other artists just for a dead dude you'll never meet.
A good comparison I remember that someone posted on the net a long time ago was that if you switch Ice Cube with 2Pac with who died in 1996, would you still think 2Pac would of been the greatest rapper of all time? Probably not. I think alot of us can agree Ice Cube's more recent material isn't classic but not horrible. 2Pac would of probably went down in quality (every artist does and if you don't agree you're living in a fantasy world). I'm tired of because a rapper dies, he's automatically the illest ever and on a list of best rappers ever. What is going to happen when Nelly dies. Is he going to be on your list?
Aite enough of my stoned rant. peace
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all i've got to say is that 2pac is the best all-around rapper i've ever heard
and pac found a way to rap over any type of beat. VERY versitile.
anyone who calls him over-rated is smoking rocks.
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The unbelievable dick riding by fans from here to Romania is disgusting. I'm tired of you euro-thugs sucking each other dicks downplaying other artists just for a dead dude you'll never meet.
LMAO at that :D
honestly though, i DO agree for the most part. Pac ain't the best ever, Cube & Face are my top 2. Ofcourse Pac is dope as fuck, and definitely in the top 5-10 all time, hands down. But he ain't touchin cube or face, shit throw Nas on that list. So Pac would probably come anywhere from 4-8 for me.
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all i've got to say is that 2pac is the best all-around rapper i've ever heard
and pac found a way to rap over any type of beat. VERY versitile.
anyone who calls him over-rated is smoking rocks.
Best all around? Break down how you think he's dope on the mic. He has that "you can feel me" shit going on but lyrically how the fuck is he seeing alot of other rappers?
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I think one quality Pac had on the mic that a lot of other great rappers don't have (and in my mind, the reason ppl call him the GOAT) was his mic presence. Still ain't touchin Cube, Face, Nas tho ;)
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inconvenient, or inconvient?
but anyways, yes he is overrated. still a good artist regardless, but like you said, i myself havent bumped a Pac song in years, like yeah i'll hear it when i go places, but i would never pop one of his cds into my car or stereo.
same applies for Death Row, havent listened to chronic in years, dogg food, any of the other stuff. Doggystyle still gets play sometimes, but barely as well..
im not disputing the fact that they are hip hop classics, but in the grand scheme of music, theres so much more out there thats better.
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yup... 2pac is the most overrated rapper ever
controversy and his death made him what he is now
a legend
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I hardly listen to Pac anymore and I don't really care what others think, but IMO, he's the best who ever touched a mic.
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2 pac was a poet.
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inconvenient, or inconvient?
but anyways, yes he is overrated. still a good artist regardless, but like you said, i myself havent bumped a Pac song in years, like yeah i'll hear it when i go places, but i would never pop one of his cds into my car or stereo.
same applies for Death Row, havent listened to chronic in years, dogg food, any of the other stuff. Doggystyle still gets play sometimes, but barely as well..
im not disputing the fact that they are hip hop classics, but in the grand scheme of music, theres so much more out there thats better.
i'm stoned. i usually am very proficient in spelling but fuck it.
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I hardly listen to Pac anymore and I don't really care what others think, but IMO, he's the best who ever touched a mic.
Which is cool cuz you know it's your opinion. But once you stop respecting other peoples opinions, it's a problem.
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he is overrated. still a good artist regardless
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Overrated? Look at his record sales when he was still alive. Pac was one of a kind on the mic and spoke in his lyrics. The thing that makes him overrated is his death. Big L and Biggie died too and they're not even recognized as much as Pac. Pac was an icon and still is. He influenced a lot of rappers in this day and age. He wasn't the greatest lyricist by any means, but he wrote the deepest songs of any rapper. Personally, I know where ur coming from. I hardly listen to 2Pac tracks, unless there's an OG version that I haven't heard. There's too much out there already to listen to. I just miss those Death Row days and all that shit. I still wish that 2Pac didn't get shot and that he'd still be here doing movies and shit. He was unique and affected the artists that he worked with.
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all i've got to say is that 2pac is the best all-around rapper i've ever heard
and pac found a way to rap over any type of beat. VERY versitile.
anyone who calls him over-rated is smoking rocks.
Best all around? Break down how you think he's dope on the mic. He has that "you can feel me" shit going on but lyrically how the fuck is he seeing alot of other rappers?
pac spoke from the heart, and had a dope was of using his rhymes
do i think he uesd "nigga" and "trigga" too much? sure
but me against the world and 2pacalypse now are 2 of the best ever lyrical albums. especially MATW because he was dealing with so much crap.
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2Pac is my personal favorite rapper of all time 8)
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I love him, but yeah definitely overrated by certain people.
2pac stans = ::)
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I hardly listen to Pac anymore and I don't really care what others think, but IMO, he's the best who ever touched a mic.
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i agree with bundy.. he his overrated.. hes was a goodf rapper and i like his old records but i think there is better rappers than him..
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sure he can be overrated but when it comes down to it he's a dope rapper
not my favorite rapper but I like him on everything, never came wack
I would definitely agree he is "one" of the best to ever rap but nobody's the best
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Opinions are like Assholes we all have one.
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In my opinion Greates rapper can be debated forever. Its lke great athletes and great teams. We cant judge em because of different ears.
Music evolves. Are the Beattles the greatest? Why if you compare them to the most basic rock group out now this group can probbaly play circles around the beattles. Different era different ways to analyse
With that said Tupac was tight on the mic, had charisma to the year 3000 and had deep lyrcis.
You cant compare him to straight up lyrcial dudes. Some people like that lyrcial shit , me it bores me it as no flava, no charisma imo. Its very very taleted but not for me
Its all a matter of opinion but we can all agree he is part of a group that will be known as the best ever.
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You cant compare him to straight up lyrcial dudes. Some people like that lyrcial shit , me it bores me it as no flava, no charisma imo. Its very very taleted but not for me
Its all a matter of opinion but we can all agree he is part of a group that will be known as the best ever.
agreed. 2pac and canibus don't compare very well, but both are great at different things. both dope emcees.
but 2pac's the best though. lol.
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personaly I don't think he's overrated. the greatest rapper of all time? I don't know if we can say that there is one GOAT. it depend of what we are talking, the lyrics, the flow, the sales, the impact in culture...but one thing is sure Tupac is the most charismatic MC who as touched a mic.
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You cant compare him to straight up lyrcial dudes. Some people like that lyrcial shit , me it bores me it as no flava, no charisma imo. Its very very taleted but not for me
Its all a matter of opinion but we can all agree he is part of a group that will be known as the best ever.
agreed. 2pac and canibus don't compare very well, but both are great at different things. both dope emcees.
but 2pac's the best though. lol.
Hey lyrcily Canibus was great but i mean he dint realy bring the charisma, emotion and liryc content to make him memorable as a all around rapper.
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You cant compare him to straight up lyrcial dudes. Some people like that lyrcial shit , me it bores me it as no flava, no charisma imo. Its very very taleted but not for me
Its all a matter of opinion but we can all agree he is part of a group that will be known as the best ever.
agreed. 2pac and canibus don't compare very well, but both are great at different things. both dope emcees.
but 2pac's the best though. lol.
Hey lyrcily Canibus was great but i mean he dint realy bring the charisma, emotion and liryc content to make him memorable as a all around rapper.
hows crooked i? or technique?
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Opinions are like Assholes we all have one.
8)
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i respect everyone else's opinions but IMO he was the greatest because he could make great songs of any kind gangsta, bitchez, a message and make everyone listen to them. He wasnt the most lyrical but he could do anything alot of ppl i know love the song changes but other artists who make a message song they wont even touch and to me thats why he was the greatest...hes not my favorite mc tho ahah
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i respect everyone else's opinions but IMO he was the greatest because he could make great songs of any kind gangsta, bitchez, a message and make everyone listen to them. He wasnt the most lyrical but he could do anything alot of ppl i know love the song changes but other artists who make a message song they wont even touch and to me thats why he was the greatest...hes not my favorite mc tho ahah
sporty whats with that dudes teeth
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I'll go against the grain for this one but seriously:
2Pac can't turn water to wine
2pac can't turn a shit salad into a chicken salad
2pac can't "save hip-hop"
2pac can't end global warming
The unbelievable dick riding by fans from here to Romania is disgusting. Don't get shit twisted, he was talented and had alot of dope songs but some people treat his shit like he's the reincarnate of jesus. IMO there are so many other artists i'd rather listen to new or old. I'm not scared to say that I rarely ever listen to 2Pac anymore compared to when I first got into his shit (no homo) he'd have constant rotation. I don't give a fuck less when a new song leaks that's surrounded by drama and bullshit. I'm tired of you euro-thugs sucking each other dicks downplaying other artists just for a dead dude you'll never meet.
A good comparison I remember that someone posted on the net a long time ago was that if you switch Ice Cube with 2Pac with who died in 1996, would you still think 2Pac would of been the greatest rapper of all time? Probably not. I think alot of us can agree Ice Cube's more recent material isn't classic but not horrible. 2Pac would of probably went down in quality (every artist does and if you don't agree you're living in a fantasy world). I'm tired of because a rapper dies, he's automatically the illest ever and on a list of best rappers ever. What is going to happen when Nelly dies. Is he going to be on your list?
Aite enough of my stoned rant. peace
true true
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Ice Cube is one of my favorite rappers of all time, but i think overall 2Pac was a lil better.. hes made way 2 many dope albums in his short rap career, even though Cube also has.. my opinion is that 2Pac and Ice Cube are the greatest rappers ever
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to be honest i dont even compare other hiphop artists with pac, to me 2pacs music was on a whole nother level, just like the biggest artists in other genres, like marvin gaye, bob marley, louis armstrong etc.
to me its not about battlin lyrics, or multiples or metaphores and shit, its about makin good songs u can relate to, if its good it dont matter if its hiphop, rock, heavy metal or soul..
i listened to pac so much trough the years, while partyin, mourning, chillin/smokin..we will never see another hiphop artist like him
rip pac
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Im sure that if Pac died in the firts shootin in NY shit would go different way, he wouldnt be so recognized in the world
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In my opinion Greates rapper can be debated forever. Its lke great athletes and great teams. We cant judge em because of different ears.
Music evolves. Are the Beattles the greatest? Why if you compare them to the most basic rock group out now this group can probbaly play circles around the beattles. Different era different ways to analyse
With that said Tupac was tight on the mic, had charisma to the year 3000 and had deep lyrcis.
You cant compare him to straight up lyrcial dudes. Some people like that lyrcial shit , me it bores me it as no flava, no charisma imo. Its very very taleted but not for me
Its all a matter of opinion but we can all agree he is part of a group that will be known as the best ever.
And that's really what it boils down to.
Fact is...for every person who says Pac is NOT the greatest...have them mention who they think the greatest is...and I guarantee that more people will object to whoever their choice is than to 2Pac as the best ever.
It's nearly impossible to say who the best basketball player is. 90% of the world will say Jordan, and the basis is that he has the stats, money, endorsements, and rings to prove it...so it's harder to argue. For those who think Kobe is better, they have their argument, but Jordan's stats and legacy will always be greater. However...it's even harder to compare rappers, because the only quantitative numbers we can really use are sales, whether it's album sales, concert sales, or clothing/poster/collector's items....and those aren't solid enough for us to really prove anything.
Everybody has compeltely different taste, and we all judge rappers for different things. It's people who honestly, deep in their heart, believe that Pac sucks as a rapper, Dre sucks as a producer, Jay sucks as a rapper, Lil Boosie is the best rapper ever, Lil Wayne is more of a legend than Rakim, and Soulja Boy is a better producer than Quik. And as much as we may call some of these people idiots, it's not many ways to really prove them wrong....so fuck it, let em have it!
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all i've got to say is that 2pac is the best all-around rapper i've ever heard
and pac found a way to rap over any type of beat. VERY versitile.
anyone who calls him over-rated is smoking rocks.
true
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Yeah, I always thought he was overrated too. Plus, on a personal level, the guy went to prison for RAPE and liked to talk shit about anybody, including Dre who gave him the biggest single of his career (Cali love), and Biggie who was such a good friend he let him sleep at his place when he was homeless and gave him money for verses when Pac was broke.
Pac had the maturity level of Daz Dillinger with his music. IMO B.I.G. was better lyrically @ his flow smoked Pac's. Pac had more albums though and a better work ethic making 3 songs a day or whatever.
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Plus, on a personal level, the guy went to prison for RAPE and liked to talk shit about anybody, including Dre who gave him the biggest single of his career (Cali love), and Biggie who was such a good friend he let him sleep at his place when he was homeless and gave him money for verses when Pac was broke.
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The subject is about Pac's music and his abilities on the mic not his personal life.
Plus, if you wanna go there, just because he went to prison doesn't really mean he was guilty and what rapper you know doesn't like to talk shit. Now I could give a flying fuck that he talked shit about Dre, mind you I think Pac would have done fine without Cali Love, and I'm sure Pac did BIG alotta favours too-so what they were friends that's what friends do.
My two cents on all of this:
If you think Pac is the GOAT then that's fine but don't overdo it, he's my favourite too but I'm not acting like he's the reincarnation of Christ or whatever, it's okay to be an artist's number one fan but there's a difference between being a fan or a stan.
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Any artist that is seen as the reincarnation of Jesus is overrated.
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Plus, on a personal level, the guy went to prison for RAPE and liked to talk shit about anybody, including Dre who gave him the biggest single of his career (Cali love), and Biggie who was such a good friend he let him sleep at his place when he was homeless and gave him money for verses when Pac was broke.
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The subject is about Pac's music and his abilities on the mic not his personal life.
Plus, if you wanna go there, just because he went to prison doesn't really mean he was guilty and what rapper you know doesn't like to talk shit. Now I could give a flying fuck that he talked shit about Dre, mind you I think Pac would have done fine without Cali Love, and I'm sure Pac did BIG alotta favours too-so what they were friends that's what friends do.
My two cents on all of this:
If you think Pac is the GOAT then that's fine but don't overdo it, he's my favourite too but I'm not acting like he's the reincarnation of Christ or whatever, it's okay to be an artist's number one fan but there's a difference between being a fan or a stan.
Real talk
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Any artist that is seen as the reincarnation of Jesus is overrated.
lol
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Pretty much every rapper who has died has become overrated. Pac was great but hardly the greatest. He has two albums which I consider classic Me Against the World and Makaveli. Most would say All Eyez On Me but that album was highly overrated. It had classic cuts but overall it was inconsistent. The best part about Pac is his use of emotion, you felt everything he said. For me its Scarface or Ice Cube. Biggie, Pac, and Big L have been overblown because of there deaths. Big L, at least, has the would could have been quality. Biggie thats just a joke. How can you be the greatest after two albums? Neither of which i would ever purchase, but have listened to.
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In my opinion Greates rapper can be debated forever. Its lke great athletes and great teams. We cant judge em because of different ears.
Music evolves. Are the Beattles the greatest? Why if you compare them to the most basic rock group out now this group can probbaly play circles around the beattles. Different era different ways to analyse
With that said Tupac was tight on the mic, had charisma to the year 3000 and had deep lyrcis.
You cant compare him to straight up lyrcial dudes. Some people like that lyrcial shit , me it bores me it as no flava, no charisma imo. Its very very taleted but not for me
Its all a matter of opinion but we can all agree he is part of a group that will be known as the best ever.
And that's really what it boils down to.
Fact is...for every person who says Pac is NOT the greatest...have them mention who they think the greatest is...and I guarantee that more people will object to whoever their choice is than to 2Pac as the best ever.
It's nearly impossible to say who the best basketball player is. 90% of the world will say Jordan, and the basis is that he has the stats, money, endorsements, and rings to prove it...so it's harder to argue. For those who think Kobe is better, they have their argument, but Jordan's stats and legacy will always be greater. However...it's even harder to compare rappers, because the only quantitative numbers we can really use are sales, whether it's album sales, concert sales, or clothing/poster/collector's items....and those aren't solid enough for us to really prove anything.
Everybody has compeltely different taste, and we all judge rappers for different things. It's people who honestly, deep in their heart, believe that Pac sucks as a rapper, Dre sucks as a producer, Jay sucks as a rapper, Lil Boosie is the best rapper ever, Lil Wayne is more of a legend than Rakim, and Soulja Boy is a better producer than Quik. And as much as we may call some of these people idiots, it's not many ways to really prove them wrong....so fuck it, let em have it!
I wrote diiferent **ears** instead of *era* lmao
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i respect everyone else's opinions but IMO he was the greatest because he could make great songs of any kind gangsta, bitchez, a message and make everyone listen to them. He wasnt the most lyrical but he could do anything alot of ppl i know love the song changes but other artists who make a message song they wont even touch and to me thats why he was the greatest...hes not my favorite mc tho ahah
sporty whats with that dudes teeth
wut u mean?
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Most cats that say Pac was over rated were mostly those that didn't grow up on him. I honestly didn't ever hear anybody say he was wack when "Strictly.." dropped. He's one of the most versatile MC's ever, he appealed to everyone because he was real. The vast majority of rappers today completely bit his style and personality. A lot of you youngins don't realize how unauthentic these new jacks are.
I don't think he's the GOAT, but I do think he's worthy of the praise he gets.
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Pretty much every rapper who has died has become overrated. Pac was great but hardly the greatest. He has two albums which I consider classic Me Against the World and Makaveli. Most would say All Eyez On Me but that album was highly overrated. It had classic cuts but overall it was inconsistent. The best part about Pac is his use of emotion, you felt everything he said. For me its Scarface or Ice Cube. Biggie, Pac, and Big L have been overblown because of there deaths. Big L, at least, has the would could have been quality. Biggie thats just a joke. How can you be the greatest after two albums? Neither of which i would ever purchase, but have listened to.
I think most seen the potential for greatness with Biggie. So most look at the progression of his 2 albums and could only imagine what his next albums would be like. Fair or unfair, that is what most do with his music. Dude was nice on the mic, no question.
Most cats that say Pac was over rated were mostly those that didn't grow up on him. I honestly didn't ever hear anybody say he was wack when "Strictly.." dropped. He's one of the most versatile MC's ever, he appealed to everyone because he was real. The vast majority of rappers today completely bit his style and personality. A lot of you youngins don't realize how unauthentic these new jacks are.
I don't think he's the GOAT, but I do think he's worthy of the praise he gets.
Real talk. I think alot of the older cats that grew up on Pac see alot of the swagger jacking that alot of these artists do with Pac. Even with all the albums he put out before he died, I don't think we saw the best from him. I listen to tracks like Who Do You Believe In, Everything They Owe, and others and he was really starting to diversify his tracks, better emotion, better storytelling. And it's funny, GOAT was not a title Pac was searching for when he was here, but he was more concerned with whether or not you could feel or relate to his music.
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ambitionz az a ridah is pretty dman lyrical if u ask me people say he isn't lyrical but thats bullshit
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In my opinion Greates rapper can be debated forever. Its lke great athletes and great teams. We cant judge em because of different ears.
Music evolves. Are the Beattles the greatest? Why if you compare them to the most basic rock group out now this group can probbaly play circles around the beattles. Different era different ways to analyse
With that said Tupac was tight on the mic, had charisma to the year 3000 and had deep lyrcis.
You cant compare him to straight up lyrcial dudes. Some people like that lyrcial shit , me it bores me it as no flava, no charisma imo. Its very very taleted but not for me
Its all a matter of opinion but we can all agree he is part of a group that will be known as the best ever.
word.
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Most cats that say Pac was over rated were mostly those that didn't grow up on him. I honestly didn't ever hear anybody say he was wack when "Strictly.." dropped. He's one of the most versatile MC's ever, he appealed to everyone because he was real. The vast majority of rappers today completely bit his style and personality. A lot of you youngins don't realize how unauthentic these new jacks are.
I don't think he's the GOAT, but I do think he's worthy of the praise he gets.
Real talk. I think alot of the older cats that grew up on Pac see alot of the swagger jacking that alot of these artists do with Pac. Even with all the albums he put out before he died, I don't think we saw the best from him. I listen to tracks like Who Do You Believe In, Everything They Owe, and others and he was really starting to diversify his tracks, better emotion, better storytelling. And it's funny, GOAT was not a title Pac was searching for when he was here, but he was more concerned with whether or not you could feel or relate to his music.
That's definitely true....the first time I ever heard anyone say that cats like Pac and Snoop were overrated was when I started coming on websites like these, back in 2000...and I remember somebody saying "Snoop Dogg is very overrated, he sucks as a lyricist!" and he posted the lyrics to "What's my name" and compared them to some Aesop Rock type shit that was ALL punchlines and multis, and they were like "see, you can't even compare them, Snoop is nowhere near the same level"....and I said damn.....this is the era that rappers are compared on a completely different tip, with flow, personality, charisma, and song making skills are at the bottom of the list.
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its retarded to say he hes not lyrical...listen to songs on 7 day theory
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This Thread is bullshit, who gives a fuk if he overated or not? it aint like da nigga alive to hear ur comments.
Let tha man rest in peace and just move on.
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Im sure that if Pac died in the firts shootin in NY shit would go different way, he wouldnt be so recognized in the world
well DUH, no all eyez on me, no rape trial, no gridlockd/gang realted movies, no biggie beef
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Me Against The World by Tupac Shakur sealed the deal for GOAT.
That album is a hip hop masterpiece.
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Im not gonna read through everyones posts, but, as far as rap goes, a song like "keep your head up" or "life goes on" are better than 90 % of all rap music, it just touches me the way a great beatles or bob dylan song does, i love biggie, and his flow was rediculous, but lyrically he couldnt touch you the way pac could, (with Juicy he gets close)
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Tupac was versatile all around good emcee. I think a rapper and an emcee are two different things. Anybody can be a rapper but it takes skill to be an emcee
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pac was at the top during the 'golden era' of rap for many of us. i think that's why you have a lot of people on here just being nostalgic.
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Im not gonna read through everyones posts, but, as far as rap goes, a song like "keep your head up" or "life goes on" are better than 90 % of all rap music,
Listen to Keep Your Head Up, then listen to "OOh child" by the 5 Stairsteps or whoever did it. Pac ruins the song, to be honest. It's just a hot sample.
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2Pac is the greatest, fuck the haters.. I mean FUCK Y'ALL, for real!
I'm drunk at the moment, but I'm serious.
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Im not gonna read through everyones posts, but, as far as rap goes, a song like "keep your head up" or "life goes on" are better than 90 % of all rap music,
Listen to Keep Your Head Up, then listen to "OOh child" by the 5 Stairsteps or whoever did it. Pac ruins the song, to be honest. It's just a hot sample.
its not about the sample,but i could see the original being 100x better, but pacs lyrics and the delivery are amazing.
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Im not gonna read through everyones posts, but, as far as rap goes, a song like "keep your head up" or "life goes on" are better than 90 % of all rap music,
Listen to Keep Your Head Up, then listen to "OOh child" by the 5 Stairsteps or whoever did it. Pac ruins the song, to be honest. It's just a hot sample.
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
yes pac ruins it LOL
i must admit i like the Madukey remix of keep ya head up better but still, thats just a rediculous statement.
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2Pac is my personal favorite rapper of all time 8)
I agree pac was and he will be the best foreva. and i think if Pac wasn't dead he will be still here and make hits!!
Pac was the shit! Is a Legend!!!
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PAc had shit you felt. Some rappers ill be like ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh fuckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk that rhymes was innnnnnnnnnsane or ohhh shit dudes got mad punchlines but when i listen to Pac its like ohhhh man i feel what he's saying, hits home.
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2 pac was a poet.
word.exactly.pac was a poet.he was a rapper.
we all know that crooked i, kurupt, chino xl, ras kass,etc. were doper MC´s than pac but pac was a rapper.and he was deep, he had the energy, the thug side and the nice-guy side.pac couldnt freestyle like crooked does, or supernatural but pac could battle but not like a battle mc, but as a rapper.
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overrated? come on!
Ya the shit that has come out since his death is way below avg. except for a few (rusd,uteot and better days) but while he was alive dude was a monster. MATW is a classic,AEOM, and makaveli is one of the best rap albums ever. Dude was a sick fuck! he was so damn smart and passionate. thats why i love pacs work the passion he spit with. you could tell it was from his soul. thats what todays hiphop lacks, passion. Its all bubble gum rap now except for a few. pac spoke from his heart im the whitest of white fucks on this board but pac could reach me with his words. face, cube,nas and biggie same way but not on the same level pac could reach someone. if nothing else more then any other rapper ive ever heard he made his point with a closed fist str8 2 your grill! so ,overrated? no. im not a dick rider i like the new dope song gettin spins as much as the next man but pac made you think and thats what made him great! I mean hollywood couldnt write a better story, son of a panther, shot 5 times and lived 2 tell who he thought did it(i dont think biggie had as much 2 do with as hatian jack) jail, DR bails him out, puts out all eyez on me and destroys record sale records! made like 300 songs in 5 1/2 months. Makveli which may be my all time fav cd! its just a mystery that is less then the man it surrounds. love or hate him noone ever spit with as much passion as pac. do i think there are better rappers now? no. EVER maybe face,cube, rakim, eazy(4 what he ment to the scene) biggie? same league maybe even better 4 some but for me its PAC.
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he recorded so much material in such little time, his work ethic was 2nd to none, I try not to go by what the groupie/stan type fans say and we know he has as much of them as anyone but judging by the work he did while he was alive he is definitely a top 5 IMO and I definitely think he was improving to a point where at age 25 when he died he dropped his 5th and best album
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also the Inconvenient Truth is Frank Gore! playa
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By the way, where is Tupac? OH YEAH, he got killed for some nonsense because he was so stupid he couldn't keep his cunt mouth shut. The guy was a total loser and eventually got killed like many of the young black men who idolize him. He gave nothing positive to the world and left it early because his parents and his peers failed at raising him right. He respected all the wrong things and represented the thug life that kills millions of black males in their 20's, before they ever even get a chance to live. He's nothing to be idolized and not even respectable in my opinion. He was a rapist, a violent man, and eventually got put down by a man bigger than him, who got put down by a man bigger than him, and so goes the black thug mentality.
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By the way, where is Tupac? OH YEAH, he got killed for some nonsense because he was so stupid he couldn't keep his cunt mouth shut. The guy was a total loser and eventually got killed like many of the young black men who idolize him. He gave nothing positive to the world and left it early because his parents and his peers failed at raising him right. He respected all the wrong things and represented the thug life that kills millions of black males in their 20's, before they ever even get a chance to live. He's nothing to be idolized and not even respectable in my opinion. He was a rapist, a violent man, and eventually got put down by a man bigger than him, who got put down by a man bigger than him, and so goes the black thug mentality.
Ignorance is bliss.
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RIP Pac...one of tha greatest!!
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By the way, where is Tupac? OH YEAH, he got killed for some nonsense because he was so stupid he couldn't keep his cunt mouth shut. The guy was a total loser and eventually got killed like many of the young black men who idolize him. He gave nothing positive to the world and left it early because his parents and his peers failed at raising him right. He respected all the wrong things and represented the thug life that kills millions of black males in their 20's, before they ever even get a chance to live. He's nothing to be idolized and not even respectable in my opinion. He was a rapist, a violent man, and eventually got put down by a man bigger than him, who got put down by a man bigger than him, and so goes the black thug mentality.
wow, I know its all opinions but I think you took it a bit too far
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I'll go against the grain for this one but seriously:
2Pac can't turn water to wine
2pac can't turn a shit salad into a chicken salad
2pac can't "save hip-hop"
2pac can't end global warming
The unbelievable dick riding by fans from here to Romania is disgusting. Don't get shit twisted, he was talented and had alot of dope songs but some people treat his shit like he's the reincarnate of jesus. IMO there are so many other artists i'd rather listen to new or old. I'm not scared to say that I rarely ever listen to 2Pac anymore compared to when I first got into his shit (no homo) he'd have constant rotation. I don't give a fuck less when a new song leaks that's surrounded by drama and bullshit. I'm tired of you euro-thugs sucking each other dicks downplaying other artists just for a dead dude you'll never meet.
A good comparison I remember that someone posted on the net a long time ago was that if you switch Ice Cube with 2Pac with who died in 1996, would you still think 2Pac would of been the greatest rapper of all time? Probably not. I think alot of us can agree Ice Cube's more recent material isn't classic but not horrible. 2Pac would of probably went down in quality (every artist does and if you don't agree you're living in a fantasy world). I'm tired of because a rapper dies, he's automatically the illest ever and on a list of best rappers ever. What is going to happen when Nelly dies. Is he going to be on your list?
Aite enough of my stoned rant. peace
Tupac surely could rap and write. He had charisma and he had alot of things most niggas dont have so to me its not surprising he done sold 75 million records. Still I do NOT consder myself as a fan. I had alot of problems with that nigga and never liked him as a person. He was a phony nigga. period
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By the way, where is Tupac? OH YEAH, he got killed for some nonsense because he was so stupid he couldn't keep his cunt mouth shut. The guy was a total loser and eventually got killed like many of the young black men who idolize him. He gave nothing positive to the world and left it early because his parents and his peers failed at raising him right. He respected all the wrong things and represented the thug life that kills millions of black males in their 20's, before they ever even get a chance to live. He's nothing to be idolized and not even respectable in my opinion. He was a rapist, a violent man, and eventually got put down by a man bigger than him, who got put down by a man bigger than him, and so goes the black thug mentality.
Damn, that's some real bullshit you dropped right there.
You really think Pac was a loser ? This man spoke straight form his heart and was not afraid to say what he felt. Unfortunatley, he got killed for his big mouth, but he was just a real dude. Moreover, how can you say that he never gave anything positive to our world. A lot of people looked up to him and idiolized him until today. Pac gave his listeners something like hope, by talking about the shit he saw in his life. By the way, I don't think you understood his interpretation of Thug Life properly. A Thug wasn't someone who beats people down and robs them. His interpretation of a thug was not the same as the one in the dictionary. To him a thug was the underdog, who has nothing but still succeeds, because he never gives up and goes his way. 2Pac did not stand for violence, he wanted people in the ghetto to keep their hope.
And do you really think Pac was a rapist ? I know that nobody can be 100 % sure whether he raped this girl or not, but come on. A lot of girls do shit like that, when they meet a famous guy. And to be honest, you just have to listen to Pac's songs and the topics he raps about to know that he would not do this kind of shit. He got played big time by this bitch.
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By the way, where is Tupac? OH YEAH, he got killed for some nonsense because he was so stupid he couldn't keep his cunt mouth shut. The guy was a total loser and eventually got killed like many of the young black men who idolize him. He gave nothing positive to the world and left it early because his parents and his peers failed at raising him right. He respected all the wrong things and represented the thug life that kills millions of black males in their 20's, before they ever even get a chance to live. He's nothing to be idolized and not even respectable in my opinion. He was a rapist, a violent man, and eventually got put down by a man bigger than him, who got put down by a man bigger than him, and so goes the black thug mentality.
truama, some of the greatest musicians of all time died to drugs or murder (Jimi, janis, marvin gaye), so to make tupac the scapegoat is silly, you could make the same logic about hendrix and his drug use.
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By the way, where is Tupac? OH YEAH, he got killed for some nonsense because he was so stupid he couldn't keep his cunt mouth shut. The guy was a total loser and eventually got killed like many of the young black men who idolize him. He gave nothing positive to the world and left it early because his parents and his peers failed at raising him right. He respected all the wrong things and represented the thug life that kills millions of black males in their 20's, before they ever even get a chance to live. He's nothing to be idolized and not even respectable in my opinion. He was a rapist, a violent man, and eventually got put down by a man bigger than him, who got put down by a man bigger than him, and so goes the black thug mentality.
crack kills man, crack kills.
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LMAO...Trauma is done.
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Pac will be remembered and you won't.
So who contributed more?
a matter of opinion, and to who?
Trauma, not to hate bro but you need to step your 2pac game up.
I checked some of your post's and your lines are filled with false shit & opinion.
Bottomline for me is this, anyone can rhyme but that don't mean they are saying shit.
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And do you really think Pac was a rapist ? I know that nobody can be 100 % sure whether he raped this girl or not, but come on. A lot of girls do shit like that, when they meet a famous guy. And to be honest, you just have to listen to Pac's songs and the topics he raps about to know that he would not do this kind of shit. He got played big time by this bitch.
What was her name? you don't even know her name but yet you call her a bitch because rappers like Pac tell you that's how you treat a woman. You don't know the situation, but yet a jury of Pac's peers convicted him of rape. I'll trust them, since they know the details of the situation, over you, who uses the defense of 'a lot of people idolized him' as a reason why people should idolize him.
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By the way, where is Tupac? OH YEAH, he got killed for some nonsense because he was so stupid he couldn't keep his cunt mouth shut. The guy was a total loser and eventually got killed like many of the young black men who idolize him. He gave nothing positive to the world and left it early because his parents and his peers failed at raising him right. He respected all the wrong things and represented the thug life that kills millions of black males in their 20's, before they ever even get a chance to live. He's nothing to be idolized and not even respectable in my opinion. He was a rapist, a violent man, and eventually got put down by a man bigger than him, who got put down by a man bigger than him, and so goes the black thug mentality.
truama, some of the greatest musicians of all time died to drugs or murder (Jimi, janis, marvin gaye), so to make tupac the scapegoat is silly, you could make the same logic about hendrix and his drug use.
Totally different issue. First, I didn't mention anything about Tupac being a drug addict, although he was. But his drug addiction didn't do the world a disservice... his rapping about how using drugs is a cool thing to do, or selling drugs did the world a disservice. Jimi Hendrix didn't talk about how cool drugs were, and he didn't sell drugs, nor did he tell people it's cool to sell drugs. Also, Jimi Hendrix did his drug abuse in the 60's when most of the world was ignorant to the problems drugs wreak on a society. Black Males Die Daily because of drugs. Tupac is cool with that... because he advocated it. Tupac has set blacks back farther than Jimi Hendrix's DOMINANCE of White music did. Where Jimi was a trailblazer by example, Tupac actively preached about doing drugs, murdering people, and being a thug. Fuck tupac.
Marvin Gaye was a drug addict, but again he hurt himself, no one else. He was murdered by his father for protecting his mother. Marvin Gaye died in his sleep as the result of doing something heroic, don't you dare compare Marvin Gaye's sacrifice for justice to Tupac's 6 or 7 on one beat down of a defenseless man. Some hero Pac was, he needed 6 guys and Suge Knight to beat up one guy. What a faggot.
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By the way, where is Tupac? OH YEAH, he got killed for some nonsense because he was so stupid he couldn't keep his cunt mouth shut. The guy was a total loser and eventually got killed like many of the young black men who idolize him. He gave nothing positive to the world and left it early because his parents and his peers failed at raising him right. He respected all the wrong things and represented the thug life that kills millions of black males in their 20's, before they ever even get a chance to live. He's nothing to be idolized and not even respectable in my opinion. He was a rapist, a violent man, and eventually got put down by a man bigger than him, who got put down by a man bigger than him, and so goes the black thug mentality.
crack kills man, crack kills.
Yeah, it doess... mainly blacks. Tupac approved, that's why he advocated selling crack as a way of making money. You appreciate that? I've done more for the black cause on this one thread than Tupac's ever done in his whole (shorter than mine) life.
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Pac will be remembered and you won't.
So who contributed more?
a matter of opinion, and to who?
Trauma, not to hate bro but you need to step your 2pac game up.
I checked some of your post's and your lines are filled with false shit & opinion.
Bottomline for me is this, anyone can rhyme but that don't mean they are saying shit.
Hitler wil be remembered too, what does that mean? There is right and wrong in the world. It doesn't have to do with fame. Again, that's something rappers like Tupac have taught you... that to be famous and rich is what is important. It's not. Living with morals is what is important, and Pac had none. Luckily, he died before he got too much time to poison people, but unfortunately his message didn't die with him.
Hey, lets all remember pac, lets go rape people, get addicted to drugs, join gangs, and talk about being a thug. That's pac's legacy. Fuck that.
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Someone seems to hate Pac for retarded reasons, everyones entitled to their own opinion but damn homie u sound kinda dumb with this shit, u obviously disect Pacs music instead of trying to get the positive out of it, Only God can judge him, stop tryna just look at the negative cuz aint none of us saints, 2pac 4 life, fuck what u talkin bout
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If Trauma was as religious as he claims, he would know that we are all naturally sinners. Pac was just real about it. Stop being a judgemental prick. Your mentality ruins the world.
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IMO many people (black,white,yellow,tan,blurple) consider pac the greatest rapper simply because of how easily he made himself felt. No matter what color you are you can listen to Pac hear his pain and emotion in almost all of his raps. Sure he contradicted himself at times but hell we all do. to me he just had that balance Hard work ethic, ability to ride beats, lyrical content that even the Casual rap listener could understand, and emotion that nobody could deny. Erybody says "well to be the best rapper you have to have this or that" when u break it down to da source, Rap is all about self expression IMO he was the best to do it from that standpoint. Sure you can say Cube and a handful of others had that too...BUT Pac was always on the Edge ya know? Even when he blew up he was still in a crazy situation fucin wit Suge. THOSE are the rappers that have the biggest impact on the listener when things get crazy n life
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I guess your Idol Michael Jackson is perfect huh Trauma?
After All he didn't tear kid's butholes in half
I think your hittin' the Jesus juice a lil' too hard bro.
again, Step Your 2pac game up then talk.
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By the way, where is Tupac? OH YEAH, he got killed for some nonsense because he was so stupid he couldn't keep his cunt mouth shut. The guy was a total loser and eventually got killed like many of the young black men who idolize him. He gave nothing positive to the world and left it early because his parents and his peers failed at raising him right. He respected all the wrong things and represented the thug life that kills millions of black males in their 20's, before they ever even get a chance to live. He's nothing to be idolized and not even respectable in my opinion. He was a rapist, a violent man, and eventually got put down by a man bigger than him, who got put down by a man bigger than him, and so goes the black thug mentality.
truama, some of the greatest musicians of all time died to drugs or murder (Jimi, janis, marvin gaye), so to make tupac the scapegoat is silly, you could make the same logic about hendrix and his drug use.
Totally different issue. First, I didn't mention anything about Tupac being a drug addict, although he was. But his drug addiction didn't do the world a disservice... his rapping about how using drugs is a cool thing to do, or selling drugs did the world a disservice. Jimi Hendrix didn't talk about how cool drugs were, and he didn't sell drugs, nor did he tell people it's cool to sell drugs. Also, Jimi Hendrix did his drug abuse in the 60's when most of the world was ignorant to the problems drugs wreak on a society. Black Males Die Daily because of drugs. Tupac is cool with that... because he advocated it. Tupac has set blacks back farther than Jimi Hendrix's DOMINANCE of White music did. Where Jimi was a trailblazer by example, Tupac actively preached about doing drugs, murdering people, and being a thug. Fuck tupac.
Marvin Gaye was a drug addict, but again he hurt himself, no one else. He was murdered by his father for protecting his mother. Marvin Gaye died in his sleep as the result of doing something heroic, don't you dare compare Marvin Gaye's sacrifice for justice to Tupac's 6 or 7 on one beat down of a defenseless man. Some hero Pac was, he needed 6 guys and Suge Knight to beat up one guy. What a faggot.
trauma, you musta recieved some HEAD trauma in order to be thinking so crazy.
and for the record, white males die daily from drugs too.
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Someone seems to hate Pac for retarded reasons, everyones entitled to their own opinion but damn homie u sound kinda dumb with this shit, u obviously disect Pacs music instead of trying to get the positive out of it, Only God can judge him, stop tryna just look at the negative cuz aint none of us saints, 2pac 4 life, fuck what u talkin bout
Dissecting his music? He raped a woman. He calls women bitches. He raps about drugs. It doesn't take dissection to see that. He beat up a man 6 or 7 on 1 outside the Mike Tyson fight. This was the type of bitch Tupac Shakur was.
None of us are saints, but Tupac wasn't even close.
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I guess your Idol Michael Jackson is perfect huh Trauma?
After All he didn't tear kid's butholes in half
I think your hittin' the Jesus juice a lil' too hard bro.
again, Step Your 2pac game up then talk.
When have I said Michael Jackson is perfect? Since you want to bring it up, though...
Michael was on trial for rape. He was aquitted of all charges.
Tupac was on trial for rape. They sent his bitch ass to prison.
Step my 2pac game up? What is there to step up? The man was a rapist. He's burning in hell like all rapists should.
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If Trauma was as religious as he claims, he would know that we are all naturally sinners. Pac was just real about it. Stop being a judgemental prick. Your mentality ruins the world.
When do I claim to be religious? I'm no more religious than you. We're all naturally sinners, but Pac took it to another level. He was real about it? HE RAPED A WOMAN. That's a real fucking loser. Think how fucked up mentally you have to be to rape somebody. Then think what a piece of shit you have to be to have to jump people 5 or 6 on 1 that you have beef with. The same bullshit that led him to rape that woman led him to jump that guy 6 on 1.
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By the way, where is Tupac? OH YEAH, he got killed for some nonsense because he was so stupid he couldn't keep his cunt mouth shut. The guy was a total loser and eventually got killed like many of the young black men who idolize him. He gave nothing positive to the world and left it early because his parents and his peers failed at raising him right. He respected all the wrong things and represented the thug life that kills millions of black males in their 20's, before they ever even get a chance to live. He's nothing to be idolized and not even respectable in my opinion. He was a rapist, a violent man, and eventually got put down by a man bigger than him, who got put down by a man bigger than him, and so goes the black thug mentality.
truama, some of the greatest musicians of all time died to drugs or murder (Jimi, janis, marvin gaye), so to make tupac the scapegoat is silly, you could make the same logic about hendrix and his drug use.
Totally different issue. First, I didn't mention anything about Tupac being a drug addict, although he was. But his drug addiction didn't do the world a disservice... his rapping about how using drugs is a cool thing to do, or selling drugs did the world a disservice. Jimi Hendrix didn't talk about how cool drugs were, and he didn't sell drugs, nor did he tell people it's cool to sell drugs. Also, Jimi Hendrix did his drug abuse in the 60's when most of the world was ignorant to the problems drugs wreak on a society. Black Males Die Daily because of drugs. Tupac is cool with that... because he advocated it. Tupac has set blacks back farther than Jimi Hendrix's DOMINANCE of White music did. Where Jimi was a trailblazer by example, Tupac actively preached about doing drugs, murdering people, and being a thug. Fuck tupac.
Marvin Gaye was a drug addict, but again he hurt himself, no one else. He was murdered by his father for protecting his mother. Marvin Gaye died in his sleep as the result of doing something heroic, don't you dare compare Marvin Gaye's sacrifice for justice to Tupac's 6 or 7 on one beat down of a defenseless man. Some hero Pac was, he needed 6 guys and Suge Knight to beat up one guy. What a faggot.
trauma, you musta recieved some HEAD trauma in order to be thinking so crazy.
and for the record, white males die daily from drugs too.
Of course they do. There's fucked up people of all race religions colors sexual preferences blah blah blah.... but Tupac can definately be put in the category of "Bitch Made".
I got just two questions for ya....
1. How do you rectify the fact that he raped a woman with your love and respect of him?
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2. How do you feel about him and Suge jumping a crip 6 on 1 outside the Mike Tyson fight? Is there anything respectful about that?
This was a theme in Tupac's life. He switched up his style depending on who he was around. When he was around Suge, he acted like Suge and became a 'thug'. He raped women. That's a fact, proven in court. When Dr. Dre left Death Row over a business decision and to get his head right, Tupac talked shit about him even though Dr. Dre had handed him the biggest hit of his career. When Tupac wanted to fight someone, he brought 4 or 5 guys plus Suge Knight with him. This guy was a bitch, and I'm not afraid to say it just because he's dead. His death doesnt' change the fact that he was a weak, insecure man who was a half-ass writer. Most men in his position use their talent for good, he used his slight talent to rap about a bunch of bullshit.
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2Pac is a bigger legend than Peter Pan.
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By the way, where is Tupac? OH YEAH, he got killed for some nonsense because he was so stupid he couldn't keep his cunt mouth shut. The guy was a total loser and eventually got killed like many of the young black men who idolize him. He gave nothing positive to the world and left it early because his parents and his peers failed at raising him right. He respected all the wrong things and represented the thug life that kills millions of black males in their 20's, before they ever even get a chance to live. He's nothing to be idolized and not even respectable in my opinion. He was a rapist, a violent man, and eventually got put down by a man bigger than him, who got put down by a man bigger than him, and so goes the black thug mentality.
truama, some of the greatest musicians of all time died to drugs or murder (Jimi, janis, marvin gaye), so to make tupac the scapegoat is silly, you could make the same logic about hendrix and his drug use.
Totally different issue. First, I didn't mention anything about Tupac being a drug addict, although he was. But his drug addiction didn't do the world a disservice... his rapping about how using drugs is a cool thing to do, or selling drugs did the world a disservice. Jimi Hendrix didn't talk about how cool drugs were, and he didn't sell drugs, nor did he tell people it's cool to sell drugs. Also, Jimi Hendrix did his drug abuse in the 60's when most of the world was ignorant to the problems drugs wreak on a society. Black Males Die Daily because of drugs. Tupac is cool with that... because he advocated it. Tupac has set blacks back farther than Jimi Hendrix's DOMINANCE of White music did. Where Jimi was a trailblazer by example, Tupac actively preached about doing drugs, murdering people, and being a thug. Fuck tupac.
Marvin Gaye was a drug addict, but again he hurt himself, no one else. He was murdered by his father for protecting his mother. Marvin Gaye died in his sleep as the result of doing something heroic, don't you dare compare Marvin Gaye's sacrifice for justice to Tupac's 6 or 7 on one beat down of a defenseless man. Some hero Pac was, he needed 6 guys and Suge Knight to beat up one guy. What a faggot.
trauma, you musta recieved some HEAD trauma in order to be thinking so crazy.
and for the record, white males die daily from drugs too.
Of course they do. There's fucked up people of all race religions colors sexual preferences blah blah blah.... but Tupac can definately be put in the category of "Bitch Made".
I got just two questions for ya....
1. How do you rectify the fact that he raped a woman with your love and respect of him?
and
2. How do you feel about him and Suge jumping a crip 6 on 1 outside the Mike Tyson fight? Is there anything respectful about that?
This was a theme in Tupac's life. He switched up his style depending on who he was around. When he was around Suge, he acted like Suge and became a 'thug'. He raped women. That's a fact, proven in court. When Dr. Dre left Death Row over a business decision and to get his head right, Tupac talked shit about him even though Dr. Dre had handed him the biggest hit of his career. When Tupac wanted to fight someone, he brought 4 or 5 guys plus Suge Knight with him. This guy was a bitch, and I'm not afraid to say it just because he's dead. His death doesnt' change the fact that he was a weak, insecure man who was a half-ass writer. Most men in his position use their talent for good, he used his slight talent to rap about a bunch of bullshit.
that same crip stole a million dollar medalian and BRAGGED ON VIDEO CAMERA, and pac and suge and co. got a hold of the tape (or it was sent to them as a taunt)
thats why they beat him down.
half ass writer? dude wrote 1000 songs. dr dre handed him Keep Ya Head Up??
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i agree with bundy.
see, he was great, one of the best...still is if you compare him with anyone after him. however, after his death, he was seen and portrayed to everyone (especially those who didnt listen to his music at all) to being this god like figure who was on his way to fixing the worlds problems. this is where it gets carried away. he was an entertainer...some may argue he was a political figure. but how can you say that if most of his songs were made upon street themes. i mean, anybody who is poor and coming up will always defy government and the way they and there family was brought up, thats how it is with most rappers that have made it big from the West Coast. so why is it that he gets credited with all this shit? sure, his talent has something to do with it, but to admire a nigga for false reason is not respecting. with this idea, everyone blew him up to be ghandi or some shit... and this idea that is fixed within the general consensus when thinking of pac is complicated because of the false image they get. theyve mixed this imaginary "political figure/saving the world" and the talent of a very good rapper.
he is one of my favorites, but i do think he is credited a little too much.
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^^You're right on Sanford. He was great, but everybody elevated his status after his death. All of the "Makaveli" and resurrection talks made it seem eerie, and he was marketed like he was on the level of a prophet. If Pac and B.I.G. didn't die, who knows what would have happened? Since they did, everyone says they are the best ever. Mac Dre was big, but became the face of the Bay only after he died, the list goes on about how death adds some mystique to what they did when they are alive.
As far as the drug dealing and being a thug, way too many rappers talk about that. A lot of his rhymes about that weren't advocating it, but he contradicted himself. As for the "rape", he was charged for "sexual abuse" with a girl who already admitted getting with him, and was seen giving him head at a club before the incident. Definitely a sketchy case, but people don't determine the best musicians or artists based on their personalities.
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What about the dudes that followed Pac when he was alive?
trust me bro some of exist.
Death didn't make pac better, just made people pay attention.
And BIG is still better than 99% of the bullshit that is called rap today.
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^^I didn't mean to say that they weren't great or had no following, they were the 2 biggest at the time, and they had their rivalry. My point was that their careers didn't decline like several other artists, and also the way people saw it because of the news. I just think that their deaths pushed them to another status to where people worship their music, or started to follow just because of that.
Death didn't make pac better, just made people pay attention.
And BIG is still better than 99% of the bullshit that is called rap today.
Real talk
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the only way pacs career could decline if is they started putting out corny-ass watered down remixes with lame "flavor of the month" rappers featured on the tracks
oh wait.... :-\ :-X :'(
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Pac is basically the James Dean of hip hop, and by that I mean he'll always get more props than he's probably due from those that love him and less than he's due from those who don't dig him. Now, as an mc he wouldn't rank in my top 50 (the top spot is held by nas & face), but I do have his entire catalog that wasn't released posthumously and I do respect him and his incredible work ethic.
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Pac is basically the James Dean of hip hop, and by that I mean he'll always get more props than he's probably due from those that love him and less than he's due from those who don't dig him. Now, as an mc he wouldn't rank in my top 50 (the top spot is held by nas & face), but I do have his entire catalog that wasn't released posthumously and I do respect him and his incredible work ethic.
go cop R U Still Down, that shits fire. and no shit remixes either. alotta OG and OG Vibes too.
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"2pac is overated to hell and back"
Hey do you guys smoke rock?
I got it 2 for 5. Holla at your boy.
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Trauma, I've been reading the dubcc forums since 2002. You're the dumbest and most ignorant poster on this forum so far.
You suck at life.
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Trauma, I've been reading the dubcc forums since 2002. You're the dumbest and most ignorant poster on this forum so far.
You suck at life.
I haven't been on here that long but to me this is just another case of someone trying to talk shit just for the fuck of it. I've been reading his posts in this thread and IMO they don't hold any ground whatsoever.
Hey Trauma you think Pac was a rapist how about Snoop, R. Kelly, Michael Jackson, Mystikal? Oh oh what just because a jury convicted Pac means he was really guilty?? LOL c'mon now that's a joke in itself right there, how credible is that when a jury in the US convicts a black "gangsta" rap artist in the mid 90's? You keep on rambling about that rape accusation but to me that doesn't mean shit, now ofcourse I don't know the full story (hell noone does except for the people that were there) but to me when some girl accuses some high profile entertainer/artist of rape... well... I'm usually a l-i-t-t-l-e bit skeptic about things like that.
And you're talking about Pac glorifying the thug life style and everything that comes with it? Hello and welcome to a form of music we call rap. Now I'm not saying that the gangster image is something positive or a necessity but it's there and that's that period. Calling women bitches, glorifying violence/guns/the mafia image, doing drugs etc etc yep 2Pac did that. ...And so did the other thousands of rappers that have been doing the same thing for over two decades now. Damn you must not have alotta artists you can listen to do you even listen to rap at all?
I don't know whether to laugh or cry reading your posts cause some of the things you said are so outrageously stupid they become funny, but then again they're so stupid and ignorant it shows that you're completey missing the point.
When you say Fuck 2Pac, backing it up with the statements you made, you might aswell say Fuck Rap.
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^^ word.
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Trauma, I've been reading the dubcc forums since 2002. You're the dumbest and most ignorant poster on this forum so far.
You suck at life.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
co-sign!
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I totally do not agree with Trauma. I think 2Pac is a dope rapper but gets treated like Jesus which I got a problem with.
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I totally do not agree with Trauma. I think 2Pac is a dope rapper but gets treated like Jesus which I got a problem with.
well he did make a song aclled "Black jesus" ;)
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Nah he ain't Jesus or whatever but he was one of the best rappers alive. He was a MC that rapped for his people and was a leader even when he didn't always do the best thing. I'd definately have him in my top 5 cause his presence and he had true poetry in many of his songs. He made more classic songs than most artists i can think of. Saying that i've never been a huge fan of Pac albums but then again All Eyes On Me was overated like Life After Death due to their deaths.
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Nah he ain't Jesus or whatever but he was one of the best rappers alive. He was a MC that rapped for his people and was a leader even when he didn't always do the best thing. I'd definately have him in my top 5 cause his presence and he had true poetry in many of his songs. He made more classic songs than most artists i can think of. Saying that i've never been a huge fan of Pac albums but then again All Eyes On Me was overated like Life After Death due to their deaths.
AEOM is kinda over-rated compared to his other work but he was alive when it came out
and LAD yes that was over-rated but it woudlve been a one disc classic
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i dont think he ever advokated using drugs. he talked about how he did drugs, and he talks about how people in the hood do drugs. he talks about the sad state of the hood and how people need to better themselves. i dont think he was pro drugs at all.
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Normally I would just read most of the comments that are posted here. As a huge fan of West Coast music this is one of the best forums to read about music. With that being said, as a young man who grew up listening to Pac I felt his music. To me the argument over who is the best revolves around what you feel. Most rapper speak on drugs, women, and killings, but Pac's gift was that he was able to blend those topics with the social ills that surrounded many black and poor families. To understand Pac you must understand the struggles that many black men go thu. I would challenge many of my West Coast fans to listen to these tracks 1) Brenda's Got A Baby 2) Unconditional Love 3) Thug Mansion and among others 4) To My Unborn Child to see the depth of his mind. My final comment is this, 2pac was only 25 when he was killed. To have the kind of music that will last generations, make movies, write poems/plays, and even tell his own story in his own words requires that something special is placed in your heart. If you understand that, then you understand why Pac is considered the best.
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Normally I would just read most of the comments that are posted here. As a huge fan of West Coast music this is one of the best forums to read about music. With that being said, as a young man who grew up listening to Pac I felt his music. To me the argument over who is the best revolves around what you feel. Most rapper speak on drugs, women, and killings, but Pac's gift was that he was able to blend those topics with the social ills that surrounded many black and poor families. To understand Pac you must understand the struggles that many black men go thu. I would challenge many of my West Coast fans to listen to these tracks 1) Brenda's Got A Baby 2) Unconditional Love 3) Thug Mansion and among others 4) To My Unborn Child to see the depth of his mind. My final comment is this, 2pac was only 25 when he was killed. To have the kind of music that will last generations, make movies, write poems/plays, and even tell his own story in his own words requires that something special is placed in your heart. If you understand that, then you understand why Pac is considered the best.
solid post