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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: kingston on December 28, 2007, 12:22:52 PM
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i ain't thinkin he is wack or shit like that but i think they are a lot of rapper that's better than bishop..
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I would I have to agree with you.
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man ive been saying the same thing till like a week ago.
I listened to his pope mobile mixtape and a couple songs off of it made me realize that he gots the potential to be dope. Especially having an album produced Dr. Dre.
But i agree he gots a lot of wack songs that i dont feel, but then he gots some dope ass tracks like "i always knew" from the pope mobile mixtape.
Hopefully his album is filled wit sick ass songs produced by dre.
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god bless you for making this thread....but then again I jumped on the tupac train a lil later then every one else too. (no homo)
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i ain't thinkin he is wack or shit like that but i think they are a lot of rapper that's better than bishop..
hes a 5.1 out of ten to me
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Ur Most Deff Not Tha Only 1... I'm Wit U G...
He Ain't Whack, But Then Again IMO, He Ain't Supa Dope Either...
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Yeah I haven't really liked Bishop Lamont either. I heard Pope Mobile and I still don't like dude. I don't see what's so great...
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Yeah I haven't really liked Bishop Lamont either. I heard Pope Mobile and I still don't like dude. I don't see what's so great...
hes no Crooked I thats fo DAMN sho
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Bishop is the second best west coast rapper that has yet to release an album.
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Bishop mos def aint wack, hes got something to say. I been bumpin him alot lately, as a artist id give him a 7.5/10, but he aint a 9.5/10 like every1 thinks, when his album drops, thats when we can all fully judge him!!!
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To be honest, I decided to bump Caltroit, but it really bores me... And I'm just at #7.
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i feel u
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I see what little buzz he had on internet forums dying right in front of my eyes. Poor Bishop, but then people with religious titles are rarely popular and usually fail to deliver anything really special.
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never understood the hype around dude
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bishop has no official album.................and there has been some bangers out there and he flows on them clean! dre and storch on the beats....... Then again thats typical for rappers now in days just to have couple of good songs on the album and the rest are wack.......(not all mc's some)
here are some tracks that are fire:
Do it - scott storch beat......track is fire!
Off the caltroit album
caltroit, i need it, on top now, spectacular,
Toe tag- beat by dre.....fire!
Feel on it - bangin track
Shittin on fools
up and down
Also the tracks hes on with warren g's album, those tracks are tight we need each other, guerilla pimpin!!!
thats couple of jams......but the funny thing he has no official album! all these tracks could make up his album and it would be tight! Hes not the best rapper, but most of these songs are fire!!!
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i thought caltroit was hot shit. i need to peep nigger noize when it drops in cdq and no dj.
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Bishop makes me laugh the most (and that's a good thing)... there's a lot of subtle wit that flies over the heads of a lot of people....
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One things for sure; Bishop is not your typical westcoast rapper. He's not a gang member or claims to be gangsta, so he falls more into the Ras Kass, Dilated People, Planet Asia, Xzibit category and therefore not your typical westcoast fans favourties like Wc, DPG, Snoop, Game.... He's basically an MC and not some thug rapper. Thats why I think his style probably appeals more to the Eastcoast than Westcoast. Don't get me wrong I love that gangsta rap music but lately I think it has oversaturated the Westcoast market and Bishop is like a breath of fresh air. Plus he's backed by Dre which is always a big plus.
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I'm with you Styles, for the longest time when all these new rappers started poppin up Bishop was not at the top of my list. But I give him alotta props for droppin some pretty dope mixtapes this year. I think that the Pope Mobile is a dope holiday time album, and since that new untagged Caltroit dropped I haven't stopped bumpin it, I'm really lookin forward to the Metropolis. Bishop Lamont is a different type of rapper and he's got variety with the type of flows he brings. I don't think he rides the beat as well as some of the other new west talent, but what I like about bishop is his thoughtfulness when throwing a song or album together, he's very concept oriented. Just like Styles said, what stands out about his style is the complex punch lines that you might not even get unless you really listen to what he's got to say. I'm new on this forum so I dunno how much love Game gets here, but compare Game's old shit from before his album dropped to Bishop's mixtapes from this year. Then think about how far he's progressed. Then think about your top 5 new west acts and how much material they have actually released.
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man ive been saying the same thing till like a week ago.
I listened to his pope mobile mixtape and a couple songs off of it made me realize that he gots the potential to be dope. Especially having an album produced Dr. Dre.
But i agree he gots a lot of wack songs that i dont feel, but then he gots some dope ass tracks like "i always knew" from the pope mobile mixtape.
Hopefully his album is filled wit sick ass songs produced by dre.
thats nearly 100000000% as to how i pretty much felt....
oh and detox is comin....don't worry i still gonna check the version of caltriot u passed me, i just gotta get round some music and then imma get to it and let u know.....
pz
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One things for sure; Bishop is not your typical westcoast rapper. He's not a gang member or claims to be gangsta, so he falls more into the Ras Kass, Dilated People, Planet Asia, Xzibit category and therefore not your typical westcoast fans favourties like Wc, DPG, Snoop, Game.... He's basically an MC and not some thug rapper. Thats why I think his style probably appeals more to the Eastcoast than Westcoast. Don't get me wrong I love that gangsta rap music but lately I think it has oversaturated the Westcoast market and Bishop is like a breath of fresh air. Plus he's backed by Dre which is always a big plus.
AMEN,to you and styles on this,FACE IT EQUALS OUT HERE,WELL BASICALLY ON THIS SITE ARE SO CAUGHT UP IN THAT GANGSTA SHIT,THAT ANYTHING ELSE TO THEM SEEMS LESS IMPRESSIVE,THEY WANT TO HEAR THE S AME BEATS AND SAME FLOWS AND ALL THAT,GET THE CRYING WHEN THE REST OF THE WORLD DON'T BUY OUR SHIT,IT'S nothing wrong with liking what you like,but it seems to me,the only way alot of west coast fans get into other types of "rap or hip hop" from out here is when a big time name or when some other muthafuccas start saying it's the shit, it's like muthafuccas can't make up they minds, bishop can spit,i ain't gonna say that pope mobile is my favorite but that song i always knew is one of the years best, but on some networth shit,the only way cats out here is gonna make way is to open up to more then just the typical shit, <-------probably a lost cause tho :-\ yell
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bishop has some interesting things to say and (like some other new west cats) he is very articulate in interviews etc and has a fair amount of charisma and intelligence but to me musically he just isn't very interesting. Him and G Malone are more interesting in an interview than i have ever heard them be on the mic.
i understand what dudes are saying about bishop's attempts at concept mixtapes but i have to say none of them have come off for me. N*gger noise did not really address (except for a couple of tracks) a very difficult and complex issue and pope mobile does not really tackle religion.
in relation to him not being a thug rapper i kind of feel that instead of gangsterism along with some well thought out tracks we get lots (and lots and lots and lots of wack) sex songs. to misquote him on in imo his finest track "unless its sex it wont sell, step your game up ho".
having said that i am looking forward to hearing an album from him with his better material and some dope production.
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I thought Pope Mobile was great at addressing religion... it's from Bishop's point of view. That song about Jesus dodging the police and hanging with thugs is some real shit, because it's the truth, according to the gospels at least.
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i understand what dudes are saying about bishop's attempts at concept mixtapes but i have to say none of them have come off for me. N*gger noise did not really address (except for a couple of tracks) a very difficult and complex issue and pope mobile does not really tackle religion.
Thats true but we must not forget that this is only a mixtape, which means that he probably just throws some leftovers together so that they fit a certain concept. Because if he went 100% on the N*gger Noize and these other free mixtapes and put all his heart into it and really concentrate on the concept, the question would be "what the hell is he gonna talk about on his albums?"
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I thought Pope Mobile was great at addressing religion... it's from Bishop's point of view. That song about Jesus dodging the police and hanging with thugs is some real shit, because it's the truth, according to the gospels at least.
ok fair enough but to me its some real surface level (and sanctimonious) sh*t and nothing that aint been dones a million times before by a rapper. bishop has said in interviews that dre told him that he made him feel "uncomfortable". i have not heard anything edgy or new from bishop lamont just the same recycled rhetoric and politics that sound thought provoking on a first spin but when you scratch under the surface there is no real substance. just my opinion but i thnk he is actually a very intelligent dude who should be aiming to do a lot better. less volume more quality. i hope we hear that on an album from him.
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i understand what dudes are saying about bishop's attempts at concept mixtapes but i have to say none of them have come off for me. N*gger noise did not really address (except for a couple of tracks) a very difficult and complex issue and pope mobile does not really tackle religion.
Thats true but we must not forget that this is only a mixtape, which means that he probably just throws some leftovers together so that they fit a certain concept. Because if he went 100% on the N*gger Noize and these other free mixtapes and put all his heart into it and really concentrate on the concept, the question would be "what the hell is he gonna talk about on his albums?"
fair point homie.
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lmfao west coast rap fans are so fucking wack it ain't even funny 8)
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There is indeed much hype around bishop, but if i look back some years ago.. that's exactly what i was expecting.
He's fresh, dope and keeps growing.
Like said before, these are "just" mixtapes tho with a great concept and like Styles said bishop is making alot of fun, enjoying while making dope music.
btw, in the thread "whats so good about ngger noise" u can find some tracks which i did upload.
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I thought Pope Mobile was great at addressing religion... it's from Bishop's point of view. That song about Jesus dodging the police and hanging with thugs is some real shit, because it's the truth, according to the gospels at least.
ok fair enough but to me its some real surface level (and sanctimonious) sh*t and nothing that aint been dones a million times before by a rapper. bishop has said in interviews that dre told him that he made him feel "uncomfortable". i have not heard anything edgy or new from bishop lamont just the same recycled rhetoric and politics that sound thought provoking on a first spin but when you scratch under the surface there is no real substance. just my opinion but i thnk he is actually a very intelligent dude who should be aiming to do a lot better. less volume more quality. i hope we hear that on an album from him.
there is no out-right theological song, but if he did that, then listeners would complain about it's preachiness, no? but the guy is a thinker and I know that he's got his opinions... maybe we will get the deep song that you are looking for. I can definitely ask him that soon.
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I thought Pope Mobile was great at addressing religion... it's from Bishop's point of view. That song about Jesus dodging the police and hanging with thugs is some real shit, because it's the truth, according to the gospels at least.
LMAo!!
What Jesus is This??
The Bible Christ or the Jesus created by rappers for Hip Hop???
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the authorities of the day constantly sought to arrest him.... and they failed until he finally let himself get caught. the people he converted were robbers, prostitutes, murderers and all sorts of shady people.
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I thought Pope Mobile was great at addressing religion... it's from Bishop's point of view. That song about Jesus dodging the police and hanging with thugs is some real shit, because it's the truth, according to the gospels at least.
LMAo!!
What Jesus is This??
The Bible Christ or the Jesus created by rappers for Hip Hop???
Styles I think Mackin4life is on point. For me, Bishop is doing what every other rapper does when they spit on religion - make it completely digestable for rap fans in a completely unchallenging way. Look I am not a theologian and Bishop is not completely off the mark but to me this does not feel like a real portrayal of how bishop really feels about his religion (unless bishop is a superficial dude which i don't think he is), its just religion for rap fans to feel good about themselves if that makes any sense.
there is no out-right theological song, but if he did that, then listeners would complain about it's preachiness, no? but the guy is a thinker and I know that he's got his opinions... maybe we will get the deep song that you are looking for. I can definitely ask him that soon.
i understand what you are saying homie, but i do not want to be preached at, I want something personal from bishop that gives us a clue to who he really is. the only time we really get that is on the track on pope mobile where he speaks on hating his father. i might be expecting a bit much and confusing a lot of different things but my bottom line with any "conscious" or "lyrical" rapper is that I have to feel like they are being honest about themselves not just hiding behind some clever words, some ideas which sound good (but which ultimately lack substance) and a huge ego. i kind of feel like bishop falls into that category at the moment but i am waiting on the album.
gangsta rappers will always get away with being judged less harshly because for all the bullshit about who is real and who is not, they are tellng a story and portraying an image which is fundamentally about entertainment. "conscious" rappers are telling us that they are delivering something "real" about the world and about themselves. if that "real" is a 12 year old's politics and religion, they are not worth listening to. Just my opinion homie.
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im not caught into the gangsta shit cause i don't like bishop lamont .. that's a stupid responds. i got love for dead prez, mos def, .. but bishop ? NAAAHHH i ain't feeling is shit.that's it.i thing is buzz is nowhere to find and he not gone bring the west back like anybody say..
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The only track I like from him is his collaboration with MoPreme Shakur called "Wartime Is Now"...there's a lot better rappers from the new west than him like Crooked I, Eastwood, Lil' Eazy, Live Wire etc...
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I totally agree with you. He gets boring very soon. I dont's see him dropping an album any time soon. His buzz is still pretty limited to Westcoast heads and I doubt it'll ever gonna get bigger.
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I thought Pope Mobile was great at addressing religion... it's from Bishop's point of view. That song about Jesus dodging the police and hanging with thugs is some real shit, because it's the truth, according to the gospels at least.
LMAo!!
What Jesus is This??
The Bible Christ or the Jesus created by rappers for Hip Hop???
Styles I think Mackin4life is on point. For me, Bishop is doing what every other rapper does when they spit on religion - make it completely digestable for rap fans in a completely unchallenging way. Look I am not a theologian and Bishop is not completely off the mark but to me this does not feel like a real portrayal of how bishop really feels about his religion (unless bishop is a superficial dude which i don't think he is), its just religion for rap fans to feel good about themselves if that makes any sense.
there is no out-right theological song, but if he did that, then listeners would complain about it's preachiness, no? but the guy is a thinker and I know that he's got his opinions... maybe we will get the deep song that you are looking for. I can definitely ask him that soon.
i understand what you are saying homie, but i do not want to be preached at, I want something personal from bishop that gives us a clue to who he really is. the only time we really get that is on the track on pope mobile where he speaks on hating his father. i might be expecting a bit much and confusing a lot of different things but my bottom line with any "conscious" or "lyrical" rapper is that I have to feel like they are being honest about themselves not just hiding behind some clever words, some ideas which sound good (but which ultimately lack substance) and a huge ego. i kind of feel like bishop falls into that category at the moment but i am waiting on the album.
gangsta rappers will always get away with being judged less harshly because for all the bullshit about who is real and who is not, they are tellng a story and portraying an image which is fundamentally about entertainment. "conscious" rappers are telling us that they are delivering something "real" about the world and about themselves. if that "real" is a 12 year old's politics and religion, they are not worth listening to. Just my opinion homie.
It all depends on who he was intending to speak to. You can't reach all people the same way. There is a possibility that was for more street minded individuals? And not those looking for deep outright discussions?
As for Mack4Life, I hear what you are saying, but he asked if that was Jesus of the Bible or Jesus of the rappers.... and that's the question that I answered. At least it's the answer provided by John, Mark as told to by Peter, Luke as told to by Paul, and Matthew. :)
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It all depends on who he was intending to speak to. You can't reach all people the same way. There is a possibility that was for more street minded individuals? And not those looking for deep outright discussions?
i respect your opinion styles but i think you are being very charitable to bishop. if bishop is intending to preach to a certain "congregation" to use his language then that's fair enough and maybe it aint for me but this aint school, this is music. I don't expect anything very deep from him, i just want something which feels honest and not some clumsy rhetoric about going to church "not being soft" - that shit does not feel particularly real. Despite the clever rhymes and lack of gangsterism, Bishop's two biggest themes on the mic have consistently been pussy and how f*cking hard he is. Still waiting to hear something from him which is raw and emotional and is really "real". when i hear that i will be happy for him to preach at me. Church!!!
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It's not school and it is music, but not all of the people get the message the same way. but it's all good.... maybe he'll make a song that will satisfy you. I know that you have given me an idea for my next Bishop feature.... so thanks.
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It's not school and it is music, but not all of the people get the message the same way. but it's all good.... maybe he'll make a song that will satisfy you. I know that you have given me an idea for my next Bishop feature.... so thanks.
i hear you. i know i am expecting a lot. i really think bishop is an intelligent dude who (if his ego lets him) is capable of getting out of the (both mainstream and underground) rapper mould. i guess whether that produces really good music is another matter. i hope he can and i hope it does.
i always look forward to hearing your interviews - although i have some trepidation about this one!!!!
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no need for worry... if anything, I am looking to get answers that you appear to seek..
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no need for worry... if anything, I am looking to get answers that you appear to seek..
haha, sounds gravy! i'll look forward to it.
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Dude only get attention cause he's on aftermath and cause of that most of the big producers fuck wit him ..
Dude is maaaaddd boring to listen to.. Almost like he dont wanna rap .. its just like.. ''Imma lay my verse - get me the fuck outta the booth..''
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He makes alot of his songs sound the same too, boring flow, sounds like hes just forceing his words out LOL, he hasnt really made any bangers lol!!!
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Dude is maaaaddd boring to listen to.. Almost like he dont wanna rap .. its just like.. ''Imma lay my verse - get me the fuck outta the booth..''
haha true. and one this pope mobile mixtape i think or his mixtape before that, there is a verse where he starts it by saying "(yawning) im so bored......" and he continues wit that boring flow he got.
But u should check out the song "I always knew" from his pope mobile mixtape. Its a dope song.
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Too many mixtapes and street albums - he has flooded the market with his music which in turn will make his album (when it finally drops) not so great and people will be sick of him.
Crooked I is on the same path with his hip hop weekly stuff - thats just my opinion though.
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What you gotta realize is that bishop only dropped streetalbums/mixtapes so far (3 this year). In my opinion (even if everything isnt dope since its mixtapes) there have been lots of really dope songs on these mixtapes so without even dropping an album hes already put out plenty quality music...I also think hes good at adressing lots of interesting issues wich most rappers doesnt touch on nowadays ... And I hope interscope wont tone that down for the album....
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I thought Pope Mobile was great at addressing religion... it's from Bishop's point of view. That song about Jesus dodging the police and hanging with thugs is some real shit, because it's the truth, according to the gospels at least.
LMAo!!
What Jesus is This??
The Bible Christ or the Jesus created by rappers for Hip Hop???
Styles I think Mackin4life is on point. For me, Bishop is doing what every other rapper does when they spit on religion - make it completely digestable for rap fans in a completely unchallenging way. Look I am not a theologian and Bishop is not completely off the mark but to me this does not feel like a real portrayal of how bishop really feels about his religion (unless bishop is a superficial dude which i don't think he is), its just religion for rap fans to feel good about themselves if that makes any sense.
there is no out-right theological song, but if he did that, then listeners would complain about it's preachiness, no? but the guy is a thinker and I know that he's got his opinions... maybe we will get the deep song that you are looking for. I can definitely ask him that soon.
i understand what you are saying homie, but i do not want to be preached at, I want something personal from bishop that gives us a clue to who he really is. the only time we really get that is on the track on pope mobile where he speaks on hating his father. i might be expecting a bit much and confusing a lot of different things but my bottom line with any "conscious" or "lyrical" rapper is that I have to feel like they are being honest about themselves not just hiding behind some clever words, some ideas which sound good (but which ultimately lack substance) and a huge ego. i kind of feel like bishop falls into that category at the moment but i am waiting on the album.
gangsta rappers will always get away with being judged less harshly because for all the bullshit about who is real and who is not, they are tellng a story and portraying an image which is fundamentally about entertainment. "conscious" rappers are telling us that they are delivering something "real" about the world and about themselves. if that "real" is a 12 year old's politics and religion, they are not worth listening to. Just my opinion homie.
you are a lil extra with it for me my equal, to be lyrical doesn't mean you have to be honest about yourself,and it's not always hiding behind clever words,it's the artist doing what the "artist" wants,and alot of times as fans we try to make them into something there not,just enjoy it for what it is,and if you don't braille it,cool too,not always gonna get down with every artist, plus the 12 year old comment what the fucc is that? you think if someone speaks about religion they should always go into the depth the way the bible does???? sometimes artist just give you the surface,and it leads you to finding out more about it,if that's what you choose to do, that's just my opinion,but hey we all different people yell
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Well He Must Be Doing Something Right Cause were talking about him, Bishop is one of a few artist that i have worked with that really cares about what he spits into that Mic in the both And Mind you i have worked with all your Up and coming Fav!!!! ( Crooked, G Malone Lamont, You name it) And everything aint for everybody, But trust His Mixtape's Dont Even Amount to his Album, IMO...... but hey what do i know.
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To each his own , I don't feel G Malone and Ya Boy , I prefer Bishop and Omar Cruz ... if it ever drops Bishop gonna have the best debut from a WC artist since a long time ...
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you are a lil extra with it for me my equal, to be lyrical doesn't mean you have to be honest about yourself,and it's not always hiding behind clever words,it's the artist doing what the "artist" wants,and alot of times as fans we try to make them into something there not,just enjoy it for what it is,and if you don't braille it,cool too,not always gonna get down with every artist, plus the 12 year old comment what the fucc is that? you think if someone speaks about religion they should always go into the depth the way the bible does???? sometimes artist just give you the surface,and it leads you to finding out more about it,if that's what you choose to do, that's just my opinion,but hey we all different people yell
I appreciate your comments. You seem to be saying some artists don't reach everyone and if i'm not feeling it, move on and its all gravy... that's fair enough. I'm just explaining why i don't feel bishop at the moment.
I agree with you that being lyrical has nothing necessarily to do with being honest about yourself. But for me Bishop is trying to do more than just be lyrical. He is, on some tracks, using the music to send a message. If you are trying to do that, then, for me, the music has to sound raw and personal and honest. If it doesn't then to me it feels like being preached at by another hypocrite. that's my problem with bishop at the moment.
In terms of the 12 year old comment, i think that was fair. I don't expect theology from Bishop but corny rhymes about going to church "not being soft" etc is really wack to me and i think he could do something a little more subtle that reaches everyone.
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I just say to each their own. Everyone has different tastes. Some of yall might like Jim Jones. I don't.
Chuuuuch
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To each his own , I don't feel G Malone and Ya Boy , I prefer Bishop and Omar Cruz ... if it ever drops Bishop gonna have the best debut from a WC artist since a long time ...
and when you say a long time how long is that exactly?
Cause aint nobody toppin The Documentary when it comes to debuts... and Ya Boy shits on bishop .. Ya Boy at least sounds like he wanna rap..
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i think bishop is dope as hell
way better than game and his boring repetitive rhymes
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To each his own , I don't feel G Malone and Ya Boy , I prefer Bishop and Omar Cruz ... if it ever drops Bishop gonna have the best debut from a WC artist since a long time ...
and when you say a long time how long is that exactly?
Cause aint nobody toppin The Documentary when it comes to debuts... and Ya Boy shits on bishop .. Ya Boy at least sounds like he wanna rap..
So Bishop doesnt wanna rap ? Ok, thats a new one. Right now you're sounding like a plain hater.
And Documenary was a great album, near classic but was it groundbreaking ? No. They played it safe; predictable rhyme schemes, subject matter and production (every producer was basically your top MTV producers).
Now Bishops debut might be another major label driven album but so far Bishop has worked with Dre, Storch, Premo, RZA, Just Blaze, Lord Finesse, Quik, Focus, J.R., Khalil, Bink!, Battlecat, Chad Hugo, Buckwild, Hi-Tek, J.Dilla, Pete Rock, Nottz, Madlib, Black Milk, Saalam Remi. When is the last time a major label rapper had producers liek this ?
In the end it's highly possible we'll get a Swizz Beatz produced 1st single but right now, it looks like Bishop is in the making of something very unique.
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BISHOP IS NOT NICE HE IS OK BUT LETS BE REAL TAKE THE MATH AWAY AND WHAT DO WE HAVE..... JUST HYPE CROOKED I IS SICK WIT THE RHYMES WITH OUT A DEAL AND HYPE AND WEBSITES SUCKING HIM OFF ...COME ON ITS MUSIC PEOPLE NOT FAME MUSIC
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To each his own , I don't feel G Malone and Ya Boy , I prefer Bishop and Omar Cruz ... if it ever drops Bishop gonna have the best debut from a WC artist since a long time ...
and Ya Boy shits on bishop .. Ya Boy at least sounds like he wanna rap..
that's maybe the most terrible argument I've ever read here .. can u explain me this nonsense
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Nigger Noize is one of my favorite albums...
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I do like Bishop but he's not necissarily my favortie new West artist, I'd give him about a 7 or 8 outta 10 overall as an artist, he's something different coming from the West... his "Nigger Noize" mixtape was pretty good and "CalTroit" had some songs that were bangin' as well
but he is a little bit overrated by certain people IMO, but that's w/e because almost every artist is overrated by at least a few people
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THANK GOD FOR THIS THREAD, I DIDNT WANT TO SAY MUCH BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE EVERYBODY LIKED HIM, HE'S NOT WACK - BUT LIKE YOU SAY IM NOT FEELING HIM
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Bumpin' That "Pope Mobile" right now!!!
getting started early with the Stickty getting ready for the LakeShow tonight.
Go Lakers.
As far As Bishop goes for me, with the team he has behind him.
it's a Guranteed/Wrap dope debut CD, and those who ain't feeling it now, will be touching themself come drop date.
I just hope Aftermath don't fuck this project up like they did King Tee & Hitt among others...
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Bishop is the truth!
Naw, but for reals Bishop is one of the tightest mc's out right now period. All three of his mixtapes are dope, if ya'll ain't feelin em then ya'll ain't listenin imo. You gotta keep in mind that these are just mixtapes and they're alot tighter than 90% of the bull-shit retail albums that were released this year.
I like Ya Boy aswell, but I notice that alot more people on here like Ya Boy more than Bishop. But me personally, I think Bishop is alot tighter than Ya Boy (like I said I like Ya Boy). IMO Ya Boy ain't really talking about much compared to Bishop. Yeah, Ya Boy got alot of good one liners and shit like that but Bishop is gettin off talkin about shit all of other rappers ain't.
Eitherway, I can't wait for his album to come out, I just hope Interscope doesn't fuck it up.
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To each his own , I don't feel G Malone and Ya Boy , I prefer Bishop and Omar Cruz ... if it ever drops Bishop gonna have the best debut from a WC artist since a long time ...
and when you say a long time how long is that exactly?
Cause aint nobody toppin The Documentary when it comes to debuts... and Ya Boy shits on bishop .. Ya Boy at least sounds like he wanna rap..
So Bishop doesnt wanna rap ? Ok, thats a new one. Right now you're sounding like a plain hater.
And Documenary was a great album, near classic but was it groundbreaking ? No. They played it safe; predictable rhyme schemes, subject matter and production (every producer was basically your top MTV producers).
Now Bishops debut might be another major label driven album but so far Bishop has worked with Dre, Storch, Premo, RZA, Just Blaze, Lord Finesse, Quik, Focus, J.R., Khalil, Bink!, Battlecat, Chad Hugo, Buckwild, Hi-Tek, J.Dilla, Pete Rock, Nottz, Madlib, Black Milk, Saalam Remi. When is the last time a major label rapper had producers liek this ?
In the end it's highly possible we'll get a Swizz Beatz produced 1st single but right now, it looks like Bishop is in the making of something very unique.
Thats not what I said .. but it SOUNDS like he doesnt want to.. Game sounds like he wants to rap .. and that I, prefer over having madd skills but the laziest delivery ever.. What I need from Bishop is enthusiasm, which I personally think he lacks.. ALOT ..
And that he has all of those producers doesnt mean anything else, but hes with dre .. thats why .. And Im not hatin.. just sayin what I feel..
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hes got potential to become big, but i don't think hes good as Game or Ya Boy
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Bishop's two biggest themes on the mic have consistently been pussy and how f*cking hard he is. Still waiting to hear something from him which is raw and emotional and is really "real". when i hear that i will be happy for him to preach at me. Church!!!
Bishop Lamont is more diverse (or he attempts to be more diverse) in the lyrics than just Pussy and Narcissism.
His big niche is on being a MC and what that means. To me, he's spits a continuation of Nas's Hip-Hop is Dead statement (whether you think it was a marketing gimmick, a genuine statement, or a combination of both.) It seems Bishop has a very specific image on what constitutes an MC and he wants to bring that back to the mainstream. Hence, a significant portion of his mixtapes are dedicated to addressing that issue. He uses these concept albums to address this.
The majority of Nigger Noize is not a reflection of racism in America but the use of that issue in comparison (as a metaphor) to the quality of hip-hop.
Caltriot is a presentation of various aspect of a proper MC - good time, stupid music & unity. He knows this and admits to this is various interviews I've read.
Honestly, Pope Mobile did not match my expectation. I thought he was going to spit some deep reflection on Religion and America. Unfortunately, he didn't. It felt really thrown together and sloppy concerning the religious content. It seemed more concerned on the presentation of beats. It continued his assault on current rappers in the game and addressed some socio-political & personal issues/stories.
Again, he also tackles socio-political issues which I feel comes off as genuine interest but not of intense personal emotion.
As for coming off honest, sincere, emotional, or hungry I believe the following tracks he effectively delivers, in both content and flow:
Still Will Kill (OG Version)
Translator
HisStory
His flow sounds ill on Translator, No Stoppin' Carson, HisStory, Caltroi,& Shittin' On Fools.
I do have problems with his flow, it does come off really lazy/not focused sometimes. Also, I think he's sexist and increasing hypocritical concerning his perspective on hip-hop. I'd also like to hear him spit some more thought provoking material with actual substance on history and socio-political issues (government, u.s history, current economic situations.) I'm glad he's getting the fame for he's needed in the pool to provide proper balance.
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I like Caltroit better than Pope Mobile.
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Its better to have someone like him come out than have lame rappers run the game.
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Its better to have someone like him come out than have lame rappers run the game.
I agree, I would RATHER have Bishop on top rather than fuckin Soulja Boy (Check the sig), but I won't be running out to get his album when it comes out either.
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Nothing special about him overall. He's not a wack rapper, but I wouldn't say he's too good also. Just another avarege rapper from the West.
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Bishop Lamont is more diverse (or he attempts to be more diverse) in the lyrics than just Pussy and Narcissism.
His big niche is on being a MC and what that means. To me, he's spits a continuation of Nas's Hip-Hop is Dead statement (whether you think it was a marketing gimmick, a genuine statement, or a combination of both.) It seems Bishop has a very specific image on what constitutes an MC and he wants to bring that back to the mainstream. Hence, a significant portion of his mixtapes are dedicated to addressing that issue. He uses these concept albums to address this.
The majority of Nigger Noize is not a reflection of racism in America but the use of that issue in comparison (as a metaphor) to the quality of hip-hop.
Caltriot is a presentation of various aspect of a proper MC - good time, stupid music & unity. He knows this and admits to this is various interviews I've read.
Honestly, Pope Mobile did not match my expectation. I thought he was going to spit some deep reflection on Religion and America. Unfortunately, he didn't. It felt really thrown together and sloppy concerning the religious content. It seemed more concerned on the presentation of beats. It continued his assault on current rappers in the game and addressed some socio-political & personal issues/stories.
Again, he also tackles socio-political issues which I feel comes off as genuine interest but not of intense personal emotion.
As for coming off honest, sincere, emotional, or hungry I believe the following tracks he effectively delivers, in both content and flow:
Still Will Kill (OG Version)
Translator
HisStory
His flow sounds ill on Translator, No Stoppin' Carson, HisStory, Caltroi,& Shittin' On Fools.
I do have problems with his flow, it does come off really lazy/not focused sometimes. Also, I think he's sexist and increasing hypocritical concerning his perspective on hip-hop. I'd also like to hear him spit some more thought provoking material with actual substance on history and socio-political issues (government, u.s history, current economic situations.) I'm glad he's getting the fame for he's needed in the pool to provide proper balance.
This is a great post and is much more measured than what i said, i think i got carried away a little!!! Major props.
You are right Bishop is more diverse than pussy and narcissism although i think his preoccupation with the place of the mc in hip-hop is pretty narcissistic and redundant. For me, another mc telling us that hip-hop is dying because not enough peops rap like him is tired and exactly not what the music needs.
As to him spitting some more thought provoking material, like a lot of rappers could, I think he should avoid this kind of statesman-like posturing with political rhetoric that is always going to be pretty weak in the context of a song and adopt a more story-telling style with something a bit closer to home. Maybe its just me but all this death of hip-hop stuff, getting caught up with mc-ing, rappers like bishop seem to spend so much of their tracks obsessing over their own and others place in hip-hop history spitting clever battle lines and not story-telling. Its like the music is turned in on itself. To me, Nas and all of them are part of the problem.
The point you pick up on about the sexism is interesting. bishop has made and continues to make a lot of tracks that he is dissing the f*ck out of others for making. At the moment, imo he is bringing nothing particularly really new to the table, although i think you are right that he is bringing something which is currently under-represented in the mainstream of pop/hip-hop.
One thing i would pick you up on is you said he is becoming increasingly hypocritial about his perspective on hip-hop. I'm not sure what you meant but since (and probably before) Who do I have to Kill, he has had a lot of really awful sexed up songs and unfortunately he continues with that.
I can't disagree with anything else you've said, very interesting read. By the way, Translator is my favourite Bishop track, by far. Its nothing new but all the themes you talked about, imo he does best in that track and the music doesn't get lost either!
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My stance on this issue is complicated because I'm not sure where I stand. I hold a lot of expectations to my current opinions and am continually developing my perspective on what hip-hop is and where it's going. So, I agree with Bishop Lamont and vehemently disagree with him.
If Bishop continually provides tracks critiquing the game (hip-hop, not the artist) and does not deliver and prove he's an actual MC then he will be hypocritical and a failure as an MC. At this current point, with all that he has released he's at the edge of walking a thin of talking shit about others but seemingly fails to deliver what he speaks against.
I'm just going to wait to see his subsequent mixtapes; his full fledge debut release The Reformation; and his work on Detox.
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This is a great post and is much more measured than what i said, i think i got carried away a little!!! Major props.
You are right Bishop is more diverse than pussy and narcissism although i think his preoccupation with the place of the mc in hip-hop is pretty narcissistic and redundant. For me, another mc telling us that hip-hop is dying because not enough peops rap like him is tired and exactly not what the music needs.
As to him spitting some more thought provoking material, like a lot of rappers could, I think he should avoid this kind of statesman-like posturing with political rhetoric that is always going to be pretty weak in the context of a song and adopt a more story-telling style with something a bit closer to home. Maybe its just me but all this death of hip-hop stuff, getting caught up with mc-ing, rappers like bishop seem to spend so much of their tracks obsessing over their own and others place in hip-hop history spitting clever battle lines and not story-telling. Its like the music is turned in on itself. To me, Nas and all of them are part of the problem.
The point you pick up on about the sexism is interesting. bishop has made and continues to make a lot of tracks that he is dissing the f*ck out of others for making. At the moment, imo he is bringing nothing particularly really new to the table, although i think you are right that he is bringing something which is currently under-represented in the mainstream of pop/hip-hop.
One thing i would pick you up on is you said he is becoming increasingly hypocritial about his perspective on hip-hop. I'm not sure what you meant but since (and probably before) Who do I have to Kill, he has had a lot of really awful sexed up songs and unfortunately he continues with that.
I can't disagree with anything else you've said, very interesting read. By the way, Translator is my favourite Bishop track, by far. Its nothing new but all the themes you talked about, imo he does best in that track and the music doesn't get lost either!
bishop's attitude is sometimes very contradicting indeed; he constantly disses certain rap music, while his street albums follow a formula that could also be used for a "regular" mainstream album.
i'm not knocking him for trying to make it happen on a major label, but it seems to me that he keeps shooting himself in the foot with his point of view( in his music and interviews).
same thing goes for Focus.
might as well make a diss track to diss your own label while you're at it :sleep:
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Ur Most Deff Not Tha Only 1... I'm Wit U G...
He Ain't Whack, But Then Again IMO, He Ain't Supa Dope Either...
Wizzord.
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LAMONT CERTAINLY COULD WRITE SUM RHYMES, HE AINT WACK BUT IM FUKN DAM WELL SURE THAT DRE COULD OF BACKED N PUT OUT A WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY BETTER ARTIST THAN HIM. HE IS TIGHT BUT VERY OVERATED. N AM I THA ONLY 1 WHO THINKS HE SOUNDS SOMEWHAT LIKE 50?
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LAMONT CERTAINLY COULD WRITE SUM RHYMES, HE AINT WACK BUT IM FUKN DAM WELL SURE THAT DRE COULD OF BACKED N PUT OUT A WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY BETTER ARTIST THAN HIM. HE IS TIGHT BUT VERY OVERATED. N AM I THA ONLY 1 WHO THINKS HE SOUNDS SOMEWHAT LIKE 50?
I see that you havent heard about Ca$his then...and stop writing with those idiotic caps. :P
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Its better to have someone like him come out than have lame rappers run the game.
I agree, I would RATHER have Bishop on top rather than fuckin Soulja Boy (Check the sig), but I won't be running out to get his album when it comes out either.
lol...tight sig brah... 8) 8) 8)
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i understand what dudes are saying about bishop's attempts at concept mixtapes but i have to say none of them have come off for me. N*gger noise did not really address (except for a couple of tracks) a very difficult and complex issue and pope mobile does not really tackle religion.
Thats true but we must not forget that this is only a mixtape, which means that he probably just throws some leftovers together so that they fit a certain concept. Because if he went 100% on the N*gger Noize and these other free mixtapes and put all his heart into it and really concentrate on the concept, the question would be "what the hell is he gonna talk about on his albums?"
lol. r u serious?
U basically saying dude can only pump out enuff good songs for just one album..
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i understand what dudes are saying about bishop's attempts at concept mixtapes but i have to say none of them have come off for me. N*gger noise did not really address (except for a couple of tracks) a very difficult and complex issue and pope mobile does not really tackle religion.
Thats true but we must not forget that this is only a mixtape, which means that he probably just throws some leftovers together so that they fit a certain concept. Because if he went 100% on the N*gger Noize and these other free mixtapes and put all his heart into it and really concentrate on the concept, the question would be "what the hell is he gonna talk about on his albums?"
lol. r u serious?
U basically saying dude can only pump out enuff good songs for just one album..
Nah hes just saving the heaters for the album. Who else on the west coast has mixtapes as dope as Nigger Noizze or Pope Mobile? Cats could release them as albums and they get mad reviews...
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No you're not!
He has really nuthin special...
There are a lot of rappers out there better than bishop, stat quo, cashiss or slim the mobster...
I dont understand how could dre choose 'em...
Game was also a wack rapper, dre did a great album for him but it didnt work.
Game said he running da rap shit today in an interview, he thinks he's a legend, but he aint...
Samething will happen to Bishop i think. He just an avarage rapper...
I hope dre can listen hip hop more... There are a lot of rappers have talent in underground...
(listen some King Gordy and Vishiss)
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There are a lot of rappers out there better than bishop, stat quo, cashiss or slim the mobster...
At least Bishop is telling a story, the same can't be said for southern boy Stat Quo.
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Bishop is boring.....I still support because it's west west but.....I fucks wit Glasses, Jay Rock, Ya Boy, Clyde Carson, problem and eastwood...they are all better than Bishop to me.
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everyone has their own opinion and input but IMO
bishop>>>>>>g malone, jay rock, clyde carson, ya boy, problem, eastwood, sly boogy, and many more!!
im not sayin the others arent dope but bishops lyrical flow is vicious and IMO theirs isnt, not on his level.
their dope rappers but bishop go juice for real!
he brings everything to the table!
Bishop is boring.....I still support because it's west west but.....I fucks wit Glasses, Jay Rock, Ya Boy, Clyde Carson, problem and eastwood...they are all better than Bishop to me.
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I'm a big fan of bishop lamont since the beggining (who i gotta kill mixtape). His features on warren g's album are crazy.
The only thing that bothers me is that SOMETIMES he sounds a little bored/lazy like he just fucked a bitch and need to sleep.
How can you not like his flow when you hear tracks like "Go At It", "Caltroit", "Love You" ?
The good things with bishop :
- funny dude
- can make both mainstream and underground shit
- fucks with the best producers
- chooses crazy beats
- can change his flow
- makes crazy hooks (dude can even sing and change his voice for hooks)
- GONNA BE ON DETOX (if that's not a reason why he's hot, then dre lost his ears and i cant believe that
- ...etc
i think people are gonna realise how hot he is when they'll hear DETOX...
I can see him doing classic tracks with eminem, busta, chad hugo
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well said! but even when hes borin its all good
hes still better than others!!
I'm a big fan of bishop lamont since the beggining (who i gotta kill mixtape). His features on warren g's album are crazy.
The only thing that bothers me is that SOMETIMES he sounds a little bored/lazy like he just fucked a bitch and need to sleep.
How can you not like his flow when you hear tracks like "Go At It", "Caltroit", "Love You" ?
The good things with bishop :
- funny dude
- can make both mainstream and underground shit
- fucks with the best producers
- chooses crazy beats
- can change his flow
- makes crazy hooks (dude can even sing and change his voice for hooks)
- GONNA BE ON DETOX (if that's not a reason why he's hot, then dre lost his ears and i cant believe that
- ...etc
i think people are gonna realise how hot he is when they'll hear DETOX...
I can see him doing classic tracks with eminem, busta, chad hugo
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everyone has their own opinion and input but IMO
bishop>>>>>>g malone, jay rock, clyde carson, ya boy, problem, eastwood, sly boogy, and many more!!
im not sayin the others arent dope but bishops lyrical flow is vicious and IMO theirs isnt, not on his level.
their dope rappers but bishop go juice for real!
he brings everything to the table!
Come on big dog You think bishop has made a harder mixtape then G-Malone's.....White Lightening or Sly Boogy's last mixtape? that shit was a classic.
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ahh hell yeah folx, str8 up!
i have that g malone 1 and i heard that sly one, but nothin comes close to bishops
cats are sleein heavily on bishop, real talk!
n*gger noize and pope mobile. both of his tapes shit on others.
1 by 1 they are classics, yeah i said it, they are classics.
g malones dope too, so is sly boogy altho sly hasnt done much but noone comes close to what bishop has done since bein in the game.
and then he releases two classic (imo) tapes , caltroit was cool but not on the others level!
everyone has their own opinion and input but IMO
bishop>>>>>>g malone, jay rock, clyde carson, ya boy, problem, eastwood, sly boogy, and many more!!
im not sayin the others arent dope but bishops lyrical flow is vicious and IMO theirs isnt, not on his level.
their dope rappers but bishop go juice for real!
he brings everything to the table!
Come on big dog You think bishop has made a harder mixtape then G-Malone's.....White Lightening or Sly Boogy's last mixtape? that shit was a classic.
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WHO CARES ABOUT WHO TELLS THE BEST STORIES,who cares who's signed to who,so what such and such album was damn near a classic, who cares who YO FUCC'N FAVORITE ARTIST IS,ALL THIS SHIT DON'T MATTER,IT JUST SHOWS it's your fucc'n opinion,all that matters is if he puts out a good album, damn some of yall act like for yall to like a muthafucca they have to be your number 1 all time favorite artist HAHA SOUNDING LIKE KIDS ARGUING IN THE FIRST GRADE!!!, i'm wish'n bishop the best with his career and albums, it don't matter if he's a favorite of mines are not yell
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dont get it twisted box, hes not my favorite artist of all time but hes one of my favorite right now
besides that tho and that aside, cats are sayin that hes not dope.
I mean he might not be the hottest (debated) but IMO hes better than spi, and others.
and sides his work has showed, homie aint full shit. hes released material mixtape after mixtape
homies puttin in workin for the west
cant be mad at that
WHO CARES ABOUT WHO TELLS THE BEST STORIES,who cares who's signed to who,so what such and such album was damn near a classic, who cares who YO FUCC'N FAVORITE ARTIST IS,ALL THIS SHIT DON'T MATTER,IT JUST SHOWS it's your fucc'n opinion,all that matters is if he puts out a good album, damn some of yall act like for yall to like a muthafucca they have to be your number 1 all time favorite artist HAHA SOUNDING LIKE KIDS ARGUING IN THE FIRST GRADE!!!, i'm wish'n bishop the best with his career and albums, it don't matter if he's a favorite of mines are not yell
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THERE'S A REASON HE IS GIVING HIS MIXTAPES AWAY FOR FREE 8)
I DON'T REALLY KNOW MUCH OF HIS MUSIC, BUT HE I'VE SEEN THE INTERVIEWS AND HE DOES ACT LIKE A CHILD.
I GUESS I WILL HAVE TO LISTEN TO HIS MUSIC FIRST.
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yeah listen to his muzik
i wouldnt say he acts like a child, but he plays around, hes not the average rapper, thats his character tho!
he dont act serious/gangsta/thug like game/snoop/ others
but who cares he can act like whatever hes releasin heat unlike others
and name 1 rapper thats done more than bishop in the amount of time theyve been in the game?
THERE'S A REASON HE IS GIVING HIS MIXTAPES AWAY FOR FREE 8)
I DON'T REALLY KNOW MUCH OF HIS MUSIC, BUT HE I'VE SEEN THE INTERVIEWS AND HE DOES ACT LIKE A CHILD.
I GUESS I WILL HAVE TO LISTEN TO HIS MUSIC FIRST.
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Dude is improving but i dont think he is amazing. Like hatesrats said, with the team he has behind him, its certified that his debut will be dope. He'll probably have a similar production lineup to what game did for his aftermath debut but with a lil more dre and lil less of the others than obviously,lol. I'll make a better decision on this nigga after his album drops or after detox...whichever one comes first,lol because right now i pretty much feel what lindon is sayin to a certain extent.
pz
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im not feelin him either, nuthin special at all, and i dled, burned and bumped his shit in my ride to give it a fair listen but he aint nuthin special
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IMO Bishop is not that lyrical like how dubcc makes him out to be.
Just because you rap about other shit then the usual gangsta shit doesnt mean you lyrical gifted like you ppl here make him out to be
He can flow but hes above average lyrically IMO
Now Crooked is a different story
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Iīve asked myself lately does Bishop have what it takes to be a solo artist under the Interscope umbrella?
Sure he can make some POP tunes,but I canīt help to compare him to his peers Em,Busta and 50.
So would he better off in a group with for ex. Taje and Indef?
you don't mean as a group signed to aftermath right?
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The main reason I'm checking for Bishop, and this will sound harsh, is because he's with Dr Dre. If Dre gives him some awesome beats and mixes the beats other producers give him, then the album will be hot no question - a 3 year old could rap over dope Dre beats and it'll still be worth listening to
Same thing happened with The Game... dude isn't like WOW on the mic, but you give him some Dre beats, some Timbo, Kanye, etc beats and have 50, Eminem, etc on his album, then you have a good album, all he needs to do is not fuck up his verses and it worked... he even pretty much mumbled and botched his lyrics for How We Do and it was still a hot song
Same with 50 Cent, I liked some of the stuff he had on mixtapes and his Power of the Dollar album but he wasn't incredible... but then you put him over Dre beats with Eminem and Nate Dogg, etc and it didn't matter who was doing the verses really, it was always going to be a pretty dope album
50 got big because of the Dre/Em connection and the uber-thug image, being shot, etc.... Game did the exact same thing... Eminem was big because he had Dre, he was very different (funny/white) and an incredibly good lyricist.
So Em was really the only one who was actually a really dope rapper beforehand... Snoop was a good MC, but again it was more personality, uniqueness, and the Dre beats than actual MC skills (otherwise Lady of Rage, Kurupt, and RBX would have been bigger stars)
So with Bishop I think he's got what he needs - the production first and foremost will sell the record, the guest appearances, if he has Busta, Em, Dre, some others, that will sell the record... then I think he looks like a star, he's got that buff look (no homo)... he's funny like Eminem, and he's got some new angles with the religion thing
If you think about it, Game and 50 had waaaay less going for them, their rapping skills are only about the same as Bishop, but they only have one factor - the "I'm a hard-ass" factor, while Bishop potentially has more to sell him on
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bishop is dope no doubt. he's one of the better lyricists putting out original material and like the poster above said - its all about that dre connection for launching a career into the mainstream. it'll come down to how cutting edge his first proper single is as to how he blows up nationally/internationally. 50 was big because in da club was a huge hit - the beat was a classic for dre and 50 killed it for a commercial track. bishop is gonna have to do something similar but under docs guidance he should be capable.
if it aint dope enough then we'll all be left scratching our heads - but i think dre will pull something out of the bag and bishop will hit platinum and maybe multiple platinum with a good enough single line-up. if jimmy is gonna allow him to drop an album w/ promotion in the first place you know its gonna have some seriously catchy, big hit material on it, especially if its a new artist. just hope there's something thats both commercial and street enough (like in da club or how we do) so that bishop dont resort to putting no cheesy crap out like busta did on his aftermath release.
the real shame is that dre doesn't seem to be able pull enough strings or just hasn't got enough time to launch some other quality acts. joell ortiz is a better lyricist than bishop but i guess he wasn't seen as maketable so wasn't priotitised. he was smart to leave. and in terms of westcoast rappers crooked i is definitely that dude. i'd rate him over bishop but unfortunately he aint with dre and seems to have big problems sorting out his business and getting some real money behind his movement.
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The main reason I'm checking for Bishop, and this will sound harsh, is because he's with Dr Dre. If Dre gives him some awesome beats and mixes the beats other producers give him, then the album will be hot no question - a 3 year old could rap over dope Dre beats and it'll still be worth listening to
Same thing happened with The Game... dude isn't like WOW on the mic, but you give him some Dre beats, some Timbo, Kanye, etc beats and have 50, Eminem, etc on his album, then you have a good album, all he needs to do is not fuck up his verses and it worked... he even pretty much mumbled and botched his lyrics for How We Do and it was still a hot song
Same with 50 Cent, I liked some of the stuff he had on mixtapes and his Power of the Dollar album but he wasn't incredible... but then you put him over Dre beats with Eminem and Nate Dogg, etc and it didn't matter who was doing the verses really, it was always going to be a pretty dope album
50 got big because of the Dre/Em connection and the uber-thug image, being shot, etc.... Game did the exact same thing... Eminem was big because he had Dre, he was very different (funny/white) and an incredibly good lyricist.
So Em was really the only one who was actually a really dope rapper beforehand... Snoop was a good MC, but again it was more personality, uniqueness, and the Dre beats than actual MC skills (otherwise Lady of Rage, Kurupt, and RBX would have been bigger stars)
So with Bishop I think he's got what he needs - the production first and foremost will sell the record, the guest appearances, if he has Busta, Em, Dre, some others, that will sell the record... then I think he looks like a star, he's got that buff look (no homo)... he's funny like Eminem, and he's got some new angles with the religion thing
If you think about it, Game and 50 had waaaay less going for them, their rapping skills are only about the same as Bishop, but they only have one factor - the "I'm a hard-ass" factor, while Bishop potentially has more to sell him on
i disagree with you to a certain extent.
to me, 50 cent and the Game are just average artists; for the final results of their debut albums, i mainly give credit to the team behind these projects.
but bishop IMO is definitely above average ; he often has dope wordplay, has some funny/original concepts, it's just that his flow needs work.
thankfully he has made progression with that, when comparing his latest street album with older material.
i think The Reformation has the potential to be a dope album; i really hope Bishop can get his project on the release schedule of interscope.
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The main reason I'm checking for Bishop, and this will sound harsh, is because he's with Dr Dre. If Dre gives him some awesome beats and mixes the beats other producers give him, then the album will be hot no question - a 3 year old could rap over dope Dre beats and it'll still be worth listening to
Same thing happened with The Game... dude isn't like WOW on the mic, but you give him some Dre beats, some Timbo, Kanye, etc beats and have 50, Eminem, etc on his album, then you have a good album, all he needs to do is not fuck up his verses and it worked... he even pretty much mumbled and botched his lyrics for How We Do and it was still a hot song
Same with 50 Cent, I liked some of the stuff he had on mixtapes and his Power of the Dollar album but he wasn't incredible... but then you put him over Dre beats with Eminem and Nate Dogg, etc and it didn't matter who was doing the verses really, it was always going to be a pretty dope album
50 got big because of the Dre/Em connection and the uber-thug image, being shot, etc.... Game did the exact same thing... Eminem was big because he had Dre, he was very different (funny/white) and an incredibly good lyricist.
So Em was really the only one who was actually a really dope rapper beforehand... Snoop was a good MC, but again it was more personality, uniqueness, and the Dre beats than actual MC skills (otherwise Lady of Rage, Kurupt, and RBX would have been bigger stars)
So with Bishop I think he's got what he needs - the production first and foremost will sell the record, the guest appearances, if he has Busta, Em, Dre, some others, that will sell the record... then I think he looks like a star, he's got that buff look (no homo)... he's funny like Eminem, and he's got some new angles with the religion thing
If you think about it, Game and 50 had waaaay less going for them, their rapping skills are only about the same as Bishop, but they only have one factor - the "I'm a hard-ass" factor, while Bishop potentially has more to sell him on
word up and props to matty too for speakin truth.
As for bishop i think he markets himself as different to game as in a more lyrical rapper and maybe he is but in terms of his market if he claims to be a lyricist than he really aint nowhere near the top of hat market because lyrically i dont see him being much better than game at all. I think game too had great help from dre in lauchning his career but so have many others but game has gone alone and put out quality material but to launch a career, it without doubt helps to have dre stamp you.
I dont know how much selling power bishop has but anyone with the right push and debut single can become big in thoery i guess!
pz
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damn cats still hatin bishop
hes the truth
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^^^i aint seeing no hate homie, just people who still aint totally convinced by him yet...everyone seems to be giving him a chance though due to his connections etc
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nah im jus sayin cats are still hatin on him
I mean why hate on someone who is lyrically one of the best, he does his thing, he releases muzik (he releases muzik, others should be hated on for not releasin muzik, he does)
^^^i aint seeing no hate homie, just people who still aint totally convinced by him yet...everyone seems to be giving him a chance though due to his connections etc
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The Hummer was called "the biggest, baddest SUV on the planent". Doesn't mean that I would ever buy one.
I'm not going to say that Bishop is Gay, or wack, or a bitch etc. etc. He's a MC, like the other 45,000,000 MCs in the world. He just happen to have slightly above average skills and Dr. Dre behind him.
With that being said, I heard his music and saw his videos. I SIMPLY DON'T LIKE HIM OR HIS STYLE. I think he is immature and don't take him or his work seriously. We are all entitled to our own opinion and that's mine.
P.S. FRANCE VS ITALY TONIGHT !!!!
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Ur Most Deff Not Tha Only 1... I'm Wit U G...
He Ain't Whack, But Then Again IMO, He Ain't Supa Dope Either...
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but bishop IMO is definitely above average ; he often has dope wordplay, has some funny/original concepts, it's just that his flow needs work.
thankfully he has made progression with that, when comparing his latest street album with older material.
Yeah, I agree, I think he's better than 50 as an MC for sure, and quite a bit better than Game... though I don't think he's anywhere near an Eminem or a Crooked I.... but like I said, he really doesn't need to be, there is no bigger producer and label than Dre and Aftermath in HipHop, they have the biggest selling dudes in Em and 50 and Dre, so just those people being involved will make it sell, and they will push it hard I think if they actually release his album
I remember when In Da Club dropped, dudes was saying it wasn't very catchy, the beat was kind of hard to latch onto, etc... but it didn't matter, you had Dre and Em behind him and in the video, the track was played enough on TV and radio so people wanted to like it from the the jump because of Dre/Em and it got into peoples heads after that. So as long as a first Bishop single has a reasonably good Dre beat, maybe Dre in the video and is played all day every day because its the official new shit from Dre's new protege, then I think he can't go wrong
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but bishop IMO is definitely above average ; he often has dope wordplay, has some funny/original concepts, it's just that his flow needs work.
thankfully he has made progression with that, when comparing his latest street album with older material.
Yeah, I agree, I think he's better than 50 as an MC for sure, and quite a bit better than Game... though I don't think he's anywhere near an Eminem or a Crooked I.... but like I said, he really doesn't need to be, there is no bigger producer and label than Dre and Aftermath in HipHop, they have the biggest selling dudes in Em and 50 and Dre, so just those people being involved will make it sell, and they will push it hard I think if they actually release his album
I remember when In Da Club dropped, dudes was saying it wasn't very catchy, the beat was kind of hard to latch onto, etc... but it didn't matter, you had Dre and Em behind him and in the video, the track was played enough on TV and radio so people wanted to like it from the the jump because of Dre/Em and it got into peoples heads after that. So as long as a first Bishop single has a reasonably good Dre beat, maybe Dre in the video and is played all day every day because its the official new shit from Dre's new protege, then I think he can't go wrong
Are you saying that da club aint very good a joint or dre track??! Homie i remember when it came out people did take a little minute to get used to it because everyone was used to dre hittin them with westcoast beats or eminem strange first singles and that was something different and fresh. The claps and 50 made that track what it is at the time. Dang everyone in the industry and they mommas jumped on that record. Without doubt havin the back up of dre and eminem is huge but when u drop heat with it, only then will you become a huge star.
Ask obie and stat who had just as much backing and time but didnt get the job done whereas 50 and dre made one of the best club hits in recent times with in da club. Shit that joint put some new fuel into hiphop at the time too and everyone was loving the beat once it caught on. In my opinion it is and will go down without doubt as one of dres betters beats in a collection of some amazing beats.
Im not even 50s biggest fan but he came good on his debut on aftermath, he was more complete an artist than game at the point in his career but since than game has continued to grow and make 2 very good quality albums whereas 50 apart from his debut has been nothin short of average to poor. I dont think game is an amazing lyricist but i dont think he is that different to bishop in terms of skills right now and is younger and nearly 3 albums deep. They aimed at different markets of hiphop in terms of how they image themselves but in terms of skills with a pen and paper i dont think bishop is that much better than game at all.
As for eminem, at his peak he was an amazing lyricist...but who knows what eminem we have today, the last time eminem could claim to be a lyricist was with eminem show...which im not a fan of but accept that he could still argue his pen back then...but whats...its been like 5 years since that dropped?...
I aint even arguing your points homie because i agree in general in what you are saying...but i really dont think bishop is at a level yet where we know how good he is as a lyricist...and that will only come when he drops his album...
He claims to be not gangster and lyrical...well his putting himself with the likes of nas etc in that sense and he'll never be close to that level so he just gotta make sure he is the best outta the newer cats...and stands out...does he? I dont know but like matty said, once we hear him on dre tracks and on his album, we'll learn everything we need to know about homie...he just better hurry up, nigga hittin 30...
I look forward to hearing his album tho...all the free music is appreciated but he gotta drop his album now! LETS HEAR THAT NIGGA! lol...
propz n pz!
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nah im jus sayin cats are still hatin on him
I mean why hate on someone who is lyrically one of the best, he does his thing, he releases muzik (he releases muzik, others should be hated on for not releasin muzik, he does)
^^^i aint seeing no hate homie, just people who still aint totally convinced by him yet...everyone seems to be giving him a chance though due to his connections etc
no doubt its great all the free music he drops and all one original beats but aot of that is to do with him being on aftermath and gettin pushed liked crazy but that don't matter because he is still droppin some nice mixtapes of original music for free so no doubt, im with u on that.
As for being a great lyricist...im not convinced YET myself...i think he can spit...i really liked his flow and spit on donkey kong and track 14 on the pope mobile...so theres no doubt potential there...but lets see when his album drops...he has no excuses, he made hundreds of track etc...but dont worry i'm sure his debut will be heated ;-)
pz
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my favorite song is its bishop. everything after that has not matched the hype. coming from somebody born and raised in carson. his shit doesnt appeal to me. but its bishop is one of the best tracks ive ever heard
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Are you saying that da club aint very good a joint or dre track??! Homie i remember when it came out people did take a little minute to get used to it because everyone was used to dre hittin them with westcoast beats or eminem strange first singles and that was something different and fresh. The claps and 50 made that track what it is at the time. Dang everyone in the industry and they mommas jumped on that record. Without doubt havin the back up of dre and eminem is huge but when u drop heat with it, only then will you become a huge star.
Sure, it's a great track, but like you said, it took a minute for it to sink in, it's not obviously catchy (which is why it's dope IMO). 50 was on a roll, everyone knew about him signing to Dre/Em for like a mill, he was all over the magazines, he had just had the Wanksta track blow up, so then they put out a video with him, Dre, Em and boom, it was always going to work, they timed it all correctly and the track was hot not doubt, but I don't think the track would have blown up like that on it's own
Ask obie and stat who had just as much backing and time but didnt get the job done whereas 50 and dre made one of the best club hits in recent times with in da club. Shit that joint put some new fuel into hiphop at the time too and everyone was loving the beat once it caught on. In my opinion it is and will go down without doubt as one of dres betters beats in a collection of some amazing beats.
Obie and Stat were different though, Stat has got a lot of exposure, but he never had a video yet, and you don't see him in photos sitting next to Dre on a car (like they had with Game) in magazines all over the place and it's not in everyone's face... most people in the general public had heard about a new guy called 50 Cent before he dropped, it was everywhere, Stat has had nowhere near the same kind of push
Same with Obie, but Obie is more Eminem's artist, so its not under Dre's control on that one. Em did some clever shit like drop Obie's name at the beginning of that single he had, but Obie was never gonna sell huge even if he had the In Da Club beat... IMO The Set Up had a better beat... Obie only has being a good lyricist going for him, which has never sold records to the general public, they don't care about a lyricist.... he doesn't have the hard-ass gangsta image, he doesn't look different in any way, he doesn't have a crazy back-story like being shot, he doesn't have a memorable name... so from a marketing standpoint Obie was always a hard sell compared to Em, 50 and Game
As for eminem, at his peak he was an amazing lyricist...but who knows what eminem we have today, the last time eminem could claim to be a lyricist was with eminem show...which im not a fan of but accept that he could still argue his pen back then...but whats...its been like 5 years since that dropped?...
I know people weren't feeling Em's last album, but that shit had CRAZY flows and rhyme patterns on some of it... I think most people were just turned off by the content which was very jokey and him messing around (though it did have some political stuff on there, so it had some different things on it)
I aint even arguing your points homie because i agree in general in what you are saying...but i really dont think bishop is at a level yet where we know how good he is as a lyricist...and that will only come when he drops his album...
He claims to be not gangster and lyrical...well his putting himself with the likes of nas etc in that sense and he'll never be close to that level so he just gotta make sure he is the best outta the newer cats...and stands out...does he? I dont know but like matty said, once we hear him on dre tracks and on his album, we'll learn everything we need to know about homie...he just better hurry up, nigga hittin 30...
I think if he has Dre beats, some hot guest appearances, a big video with famous dudes in it and hits the publicity shit hard in some magazines and online and drops his shit and everyone suddenly knows Dre's new protege is dropping, then it will do well regardless. I think he has the look and the personality to appeal to a lot of people, whether is rhyming is on point or not. In fact it helps if he's not lyrical in terms of sales, otherwise he'll go over most peoples' heads
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Are you saying that da club aint very good a joint or dre track??! Homie i remember when it came out people did take a little minute to get used to it because everyone was used to dre hittin them with westcoast beats or eminem strange first singles and that was something different and fresh. The claps and 50 made that track what it is at the time. Dang everyone in the industry and they mommas jumped on that record. Without doubt havin the back up of dre and eminem is huge but when u drop heat with it, only then will you become a huge star.
Sure, it's a great track, but like you said, it took a minute for it to sink in, it's not obviously catchy (which is why it's dope IMO). 50 was on a roll, everyone knew about him signing to Dre/Em for like a mill, he was all over the magazines, he had just had the Wanksta track blow up, so then they put out a video with him, Dre, Em and boom, it was always going to work, they timed it all correctly and the track was hot not doubt, but I don't think the track would have blown up like that on it's own
Ask obie and stat who had just as much backing and time but didnt get the job done whereas 50 and dre made one of the best club hits in recent times with in da club. Shit that joint put some new fuel into hiphop at the time too and everyone was loving the beat once it caught on. In my opinion it is and will go down without doubt as one of dres betters beats in a collection of some amazing beats.
Obie and Stat were different though, Stat has got a lot of exposure, but he never had a video yet, and you don't see him in photos sitting next to Dre on a car (like they had with Game) in magazines all over the place and it's not in everyone's face... most people in the general public had heard about a new guy called 50 Cent before he dropped, it was everywhere, Stat has had nowhere near the same kind of push
Same with Obie, but Obie is more Eminem's artist, so its not under Dre's control on that one. Em did some clever shit like drop Obie's name at the beginning of that single he had, but Obie was never gonna sell huge even if he had the In Da Club beat... IMO The Set Up had a better beat... Obie only has being a good lyricist going for him, which has never sold records to the general public, they don't care about a lyricist.... he doesn't have the hard-ass gangsta image, he doesn't look different in any way, he doesn't have a crazy back-story like being shot, he doesn't have a memorable name... so from a marketing standpoint Obie was always a hard sell compared to Em, 50 and Game
As for eminem, at his peak he was an amazing lyricist...but who knows what eminem we have today, the last time eminem could claim to be a lyricist was with eminem show...which im not a fan of but accept that he could still argue his pen back then...but whats...its been like 5 years since that dropped?...
I know people weren't feeling Em's last album, but that shit had CRAZY flows and rhyme patterns on some of it... I think most people were just turned off by the content which was very jokey and him messing around (though it did have some political stuff on there, so it had some different things on it)
I aint even arguing your points homie because i agree in general in what you are saying...but i really dont think bishop is at a level yet where we know how good he is as a lyricist...and that will only come when he drops his album...
He claims to be not gangster and lyrical...well his putting himself with the likes of nas etc in that sense and he'll never be close to that level so he just gotta make sure he is the best outta the newer cats...and stands out...does he? I dont know but like matty said, once we hear him on dre tracks and on his album, we'll learn everything we need to know about homie...he just better hurry up, nigga hittin 30...
I think if he has Dre beats, some hot guest appearances, a big video with famous dudes in it and hits the publicity shit hard in some magazines and online and drops his shit and everyone suddenly knows Dre's new protege is dropping, then it will do well regardless. I think he has the look and the personality to appeal to a lot of people, whether is rhyming is on point or not. In fact it helps if he's not lyrical in terms of sales, otherwise he'll go over most peoples' heads
props on the reply, good post.
Agree with it pretty much. I think 50 was without doubt on fire when he made in da club, its just one of them classics that just happen...everything gotta be right for it to happen and it happened with 50 and dre at that time.
Obie i think was handled really really bad by eminem in how they marketed him. I am totally in agreement with you about the setup beat being a straight up banger...one my fav beats still to this day! BUT obie just didnt do justice on those dre beats he gave obie imo and eminem made him release the wrong track as first single...got some teeth would have got a pass if eminem did it as first single but for obie...being black, he gotta appeal to his own people first and i know being black, that when that came out, alot of people were put off him because got some teeth aint nothing a nigga should be puttin out feel me? lol
I think encore is competely wack, every sense...possibly the worst release of a big cat artist in a long time and i think most will agree with this but if you like it, thats kool.
And yeh if bishop is pushed right he should do well, but he better make sure that first single is heated!
pz n propz
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nah dat nigga is wack
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nah dat nigga is wack
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Bishop is more of an 8/10 rapper for me... He just needs that one big hit or one track that gives him his identity to get him over that hump. The first track i ever heard from his was Milf... That Track was bangin as fuck cuz nobody really had a track that was just about bangin sum dudes mom. Karmasutra was tyte, n so was Do It...
When he got on that J Wells shit, thats when i became an official fan of his... Everything after that has been great, but dont get it twisted not all of his shit was great. I still have a hard time gettin into N-gger Noize, and Caltroit is a 6/10 at best for me... Im not really feelin Pope Mobile at all, but the confessional IMO, is on Par with The Documentry....
I know thats a bold statement, but remember Game had a whole lot of buzz before aftermath, and so did Bishop, but with Bishop not claimin to a gangsta, it makes it tougher to reach fans who arent use to hearing a westcoast rapper not claiming shit... Ras Kass doesnt get a lot of props except for in the west and Bishop is gonna be the same way til he blows up...
But for me, If Bishop were a football player, he would be Marshall Faulk.. Hes Good in the beginning, but he needs that one thing to Make him Great... In this case, he needs the Reformation to be great instea of very good
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i ain't thinkin he is wack or shit like that but i think they are a lot of rapper that's better than bishop..
DONT FRONT BISHOP KILLZ IT AND HE DOING THINGS.. U PROB ON LISTEN TO LIKE ONE TRACK FOR 5 SEC... THAT FOOL HAS SKILL.. THERE MANY GOOD MCS IN LA, SOME PROB SKILLS ARE BETTER BUT THEY AINT DOING SHIT..
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Iīve asked myself lately does Bishop have what it takes to be a solo artist under the Interscope umbrella?
Sure he can make some POP tunes to please Jimmy,but I canīt help to compare him to his peers Em,Busta and 50.
So would he better off in a group with for ex. Taje and Indef?
you don't mean as a group signed to aftermath right?
Why not?
But to be honest I donīt care where theyīre signed. :P
The only album Aftermath needs to drop is Detox,they can scrap all the other projects for all I care.
I would love to hear Taje featured on Detox though,as I actually like Tajeīs style better than Bishopīs. :P ;)
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Iīve asked myself lately does Bishop have what it takes to be a solo artist under the Interscope umbrella?
Sure he can make some POP tunes to please Jimmy,but I canīt help to compare him to his peers Em,Busta and 50.
So would he better off in a group with for ex. Taje and Indef?
you don't mean as a group signed to aftermath right?
Why not?
do you think that the group would get more interest from interscope than bishop as a solo artist, then?
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Iīve asked myself lately does Bishop have what it takes to be a solo artist under the Interscope umbrella?
Sure he can make some POP tunes to please Jimmy,but I canīt help to compare him to his peers Em,Busta and 50.
So would he better off in a group with for ex. Taje and Indef?
you don't mean as a group signed to aftermath right?
Why not?
do you think that the group would get more interest from interscope than bishop as a solo artist, then?
Nah,but I think theyīre better off indy anyway.
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props on the reply, good post.
yeah, a single post by UCC makes a lot more sense than your whole post archive ;)
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Still Waitin' for CD or video clips I'm bored of his mixtapes
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dude is trash. his rhymes are nothin' breathtakin'.
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being black, he gotta appeal to his own people first and i know being black,
that when that came out, alot of people were put off him because got some teeth aint nothing a nigga should be puttin out feel me?
do us all a favor and delete your account NOW
Still Waitin' for CD or video clips I'm bored of his mixtapes
yeah but his mixtapes shit on alot of albums that came out the last 2 years
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props on the reply, good post.
yeah, a single post by UCC makes a lot more sense than your whole post archive ;)
lol awww someones hurt
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nah im jus sayin cats are still hatin on him
I mean why hate on someone who is lyrically one of the best, he does his thing, he releases muzik (he releases muzik, others should be hated on for not releasin muzik, he does)
^^^i aint seeing no hate homie, just people who still aint totally convinced by him yet...everyone seems to be giving him a chance though due to his connections etc
fuck outta here with yo cryin ass aint nobody hatin. People giving their opinions. Nobody said "Fuck Bishop" you fucking cry baby.
And lol at Bishop being lyrically one of the best...LMAO
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Ur Most Deff Not Tha Only 1... I'm Wit U G...
He Ain't Whack, But Then Again IMO, He Ain't Supa Dope Either...
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being black, he gotta appeal to his own people first and i know being black,
that when that came out, alot of people were put off him because got some teeth aint nothing a nigga should be puttin out feel me?
do us all a favor and delete your account NOW
:raisetheroof: :raisetheroof: :raisetheroof: :raisetheroof: :raisetheroof: :raisetheroof:
being black, he gotta appeal to his own people first and i know being black,
that when that came out, alot of people were put off him because got some teeth aint nothing a nigga should be puttin out feel me?
Thereīs no white people at the Academy Of Hip Hop? :P
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=178487.msg1885763#msg1885763
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=181901.msg1885797#msg1885797
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I enjoy Bishop Lamont but I do have a few complaints, the biggest of which is vocals. His vocal abilities seem limited to rapping normal pace and semi-fast. I rarely him spit with conviction or, when he is, it doesn't come across. I think that's the majority of reasons cats find him boring. Clearly, he's got significant production behind him. At times, marketing isn't sure what kind of image they want to present Bishop. I think he wants to come across as the intellectual/social type but the label wants an aggressive edge to his material so he produces enough of both material to please.
favorite tracks by Bishop:
translator
hisstory
can't figure it out
i always knew
still will kill o.g
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I enjoy Bishop Lamont but I do have a few complaints, the biggest of which is vocals. His vocal abilities seem limited to rapping normal pace and semi-fast. I rarely him spit with conviction or, when he is, it doesn't come across.
I kind of get this, what I think it is more so though is he'll not have his flow down so he'll be slightly falling off beat... or he'll write a complex flow but then his spitting ability won't be quite up to spitting it really in the pocket and on point so it sounds like he's slightly fucking it up even though on paper it's some ill shit with an ill flow
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Thereīs no white people at the Academy Of Hip Hop? :P
No, we white people can't no shit about rap music because we don't live in the streets of L.A.
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nah, i liked him on Warren g, thats it.
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So what now?
Grow Up didnīt get the buzz they hoped :-\....
Will this affect Detox and Reformation?
Ainīt cats ready to "grow up"?
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So what now?
Grow Up didnīt get the buzz they hoped :-\....
Will this affect Detox and Reformation?
Ainīt cats ready to "grow up"?
the Reformation won't drop this year, so calitroit metropolis will come first ( probably next year).
and Jimmy will keep calling Dre about Detox
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On the real Bishop Lamont will end up like Hittman and other artist that dropped of the math and never got theire cd released by the aftermath!
It seems that Detox dr.dre's own album got killed by his own formula..
It will never come out and at the end Jimmy will drop him!..
What comes around goes around!..
This has nothing 2 do with the quality beats he made and still makes. He is still number 1 producer
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Bishop Lamont is no Hittman, not even close.
Lets hope Slim da Mobster is better then Knock-Tur-Nal.
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So what now?
Grow Up didnīt get the buzz they hoped :-\....
Will this affect Detox and Reformation?
Ainīt cats ready to "grow up"?
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Sounds like they changed the plan of what comes out first rather than building a buzz for Grow Up, seeing as they didn't make a video for it
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On the real Bishop Lamont will end up like Hittman and other artist that dropped of the math and never got theire cd released by the aftermath!
It seems that Detox dr.dre's own album got killed by his own formula..
It will never come out and at the end Jimmy will drop him!..
What comes around goes around!..
This has nothing 2 do with the quality beats he made and still makes. He is still number 1 producer
Bishop said that Jimmy already tried to drop him more than once but that Dre told him he can't be dropped with him being one of the main figures when it comes to writing for Detox and whatnot.
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I don't know what's happening any more! :-\ :-\ :-\
I was looking forward to that video!
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Bishop Lamont is no Hittman, not even close.
Better or worse?
Lets hope Slim The Mobster is better then Knock-Tur-Nal.
Slim The Mobster; audio,info and what not;
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=167304.msg1949917#msg1949917
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bishop is nice..good music..
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So what now?
Grow Up didnīt get the buzz they hoped :-\....
Will this affect Detox and Reformation?
Ainīt cats ready to "grow up"?
Sounds like they changed the plan of what comes out first rather than building a buzz for Grow Up, seeing as they didn't make a video for it
They change their plans every other day over there...
When four street albums (that most people seems to like) and a Dre beat donīt get a real buzz going... then thereīs something wrong.
Word, thats pretty much it. If there was any buzz for grow up then they would have worked on gettin the buzz bigger for that with the vid and pushing it further etc but initial reaction was people were not feeling it so thats why plans were changed, not just changed for any reason.
As for the dre beat, if the joint was a banger and a dre beat, then he would have his buzz right now imo.
pz
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Bishop aint fronting with a gangster image thats why people are not feeling him hes just writes music no beefs unless you count djs, but i like him and hope he drops which he wont.
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So what now?
Grow Up didnīt get the buzz they hoped :-\....
Will this affect Detox and Reformation?
Ainīt cats ready to "grow up"?
Sounds like they changed the plan of what comes out first rather than building a buzz for Grow Up, seeing as they didn't make a video for it
They change their plans every other day over there...
This is true
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hell yeah still dont understand why the fuck cats hate on him
who else is spittin the same heat like him?
who else is givin away dope muzik like him?
damn!!!!
bishop is nice..good music..
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hell yeah still dont understand why the fuck cats hate on him
who else is spittin the same heat like him?
who else is givin away dope muzik like him?
damn!!!!
bishop is nice..good music..
so this is what you're sayin
"i dont know Bishop is dope but im not feelin him" and somhow you think thats hate?
Just cuz u not feelin someone does not mean ure a hater u retarded ass goofy nigga.
i swear Jesse Jackson or whoeva should've burried the word "Hater" together with "Nigger/Nigga"
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To me, Bishop isn't marketable. What's so unique about him? Some of his songs are cool but the flow seems to always be the same. I was actually surprised that Hittman didn't drop an album with Aftermath. His verses on 2001 were dope but then I heard that cd that was floating around here and it was garbage. Bishop will most likely get the same treatment.
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Bishop is clean as fuck and i mostly listen to bay and sac shit. What folks need to realize is its harder to blow up now a days cuz the industry is on some bullshit and if your from the West your chances are like 10x harder. Also think about how many rappers come and go now that have hit singles, its hard to stay hot unless you have a big movement like Miamis gay ass movement aka the supergroup
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WOW! His 5 minutes as "everyones favorite died quick :-\ :P
So what's next for Bishop Lamont? (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=192495.msg1962516#msg1962516) LINK
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Now That Bishop Lamont Is Washed Up - Who's Left In The West? (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=192666.0;topicseen) LINK
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Bishop Lamont - Missile Testing (Death To Infidels) (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=199463.msg2020126#msg2020126) LINK
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Bishop, Omar, All these dudes Need To Learn From Game, In Terms of Originality (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=199303.0) LINK
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Bishop is clean as fuck and i mostly listen to bay and sac shit. What folks need to realize is its harder to blow up now a days cuz the industry is on some bullshit and if your from the West your chances are like 10x harder. Also think about how many rappers come and go now that have hit singles, its hard to stay hot unless you have a big movement like Miamis gay ass movement aka the supergroup
its not becoz he is from the West, its becoz West Coast niggaz are haters and Too scared to go a lil bit Commercial and A lil bit artisticm like South Niggaz, they are all stuck in 1995, Chucks and Khakis...
West Coast niggaz are too insecure to make a lil POP song to get the buzz, becoz the next Broke Ass Nigga like Rass Kass is there on your nuts Waiting to Diss YOu for Being a lil POP,
Thank God Game knocked him the fuck out.
West Coast is haters, and when somebody raises with some originality like Game, everybody Hates him...Look at Pathetic, Lil Eazy Hating on Game, all Game wanted to do is carry the traditio with his heart and that fagget with "NIGGA-KILLA-PULL-THE-TRIGGA-BIGGA RHYMES" went at Game.
Where is he now? Still rhyming Nigga with Figga? (This aint a Game ref, LIL EAZY IS TRASH AS FUCK"
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Bishop is clean as fuck and i mostly listen to bay and sac shit. What folks need to realize is its harder to blow up now a days cuz the industry is on some bullshit and if your from the West your chances are like 10x harder. Also think about how many rappers come and go now that have hit singles, its hard to stay hot unless you have a big movement like Miamis gay ass movement aka the supergroup
its not becoz he is from the West, its becoz West Coast niggaz are haters and Too scared to go a lil bit Commercial and A lil bit artisticm like South Niggaz, they are all stuck in 1995, Chucks and Khakis...
West Coast niggaz are too insecure to make a lil POP song to get the buzz, becoz the next Broke Ass Nigga like Rass Kass is there on your nuts Waiting to Diss YOu for Being a lil POP,
Thank God Game knocked him the fuck out.
West Coast is haters, and when somebody raises with some originality like Game, everybody Hates him...Look at Pathetic, Lil Eazy Hating on Game, all Game wanted to do is carry the traditio with his heart and that fagget with "NIGGA-KILLA-PULL-THE-TRIGGA-BIGGA RHYMES" went at Game.
Where is he now? Still rhyming Nigga with Figga? (This aint a Game ref, LIL EAZY IS TRASH AS FUCK"
So people "hate" Game, but when LAX leaks it gets 485 responds? (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=190763.0)
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i ain't thinkin he is wack or shit like that but i think they are a lot of rapper that's better than bishop..
its alright man, you are not alone. BUT i have to disagree. Im feeling bishop. A lot of rappers better than bishop? nah, i dont think so, maybe a handful but not a lot. people like you is not feeling bishop because he doesnt appeal to the masses/mainstream as you would prefer like your favorite mainstream artists.
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i ain't thinkin he is wack or shit like that but i think they are a lot of rapper that's better than bishop..
its alright man, you are not alone. BUT i have to disagree. Im feeling bishop. A lot of rappers better than bishop? nah, i dont think so, maybe a handful but not a lot. people like you is not feeling bishop because he doesnt appeal to the masses/mainstream as you would prefer like your favorite mainstream artists.
but the problem is, he's trying to take the role of a mainstream artist for the west. see? thats where the problem lies. he would be an ill ass underground backpack type artist. i dont think anybody on here really thinks he's "WACK". but he aint built for the mainstream and thats what the west wants right now. someone to take snoops spot. bishop aint got that kind of music. he's more like a warren g. tight, but should be playin a different role than dres main artist. of course it makes it even worse when everybody wants to work with dre and then they're lookin at bishop like WTF? make sense?
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here's where everyone is wrong,
people WERE feeling grow up it was actually starting to get burn
on a lot of major radio stations.
tons of people were feeling it.
jimmy iovine's crazy ass got the record to stop being played on the
radio for fear that it would draw too much attention away from detox.
cease and desist orders to any station that had it in their rotation i guess.
shit is pretty fucken whack if you ask me.
what's mind blowing to me, is the people who will sit here day and night
complaining about how whack the rap industry is with all this nonsense club shit,
then straight sit here and shit talk a record like grow up that talks about
change in the culture, and something with substance.
i don't think yall are really listening to bishop, lyrically he's the truth.
and his music is smooth. he can do songs like "super freak" and
"i just want the money" and come around and do some shit like
"HIStory" and "music shit".
personally i think they shoulda put out no stoppin carson as the single,
and really pushed it.
fuck it i guess
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Grow Up is dope; it's really a shame that jimmy's favourite colour is red.
maybe bishop has more luck if/when Detox finally drops.
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I thought Pope Mobile was great at addressing religion... it's from Bishop's point of view. That song about Jesus dodging the police and hanging with thugs is some real shit, because it's the truth, according to the gospels at least.
ok fair enough but to me its some real surface level (and sanctimonious) sh*t and nothing that aint been dones a million times before by a rapper. bishop has said in interviews that dre told him that he made him feel "uncomfortable". i have not heard anything edgy or new from bishop lamont just the same recycled rhetoric and politics that sound thought provoking on a first spin but when you scratch under the surface there is no real substance. just my opinion but i thnk he is actually a very intelligent dude who should be aiming to do a lot better. less volume more quality. i hope we hear that on an album from him.
couldnt have said it better. and your last post too about him and g malone being more interesting in interviews. you basically summed up the whole damn thing. but understanding it wont make him shape up OR ship out.
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I ain't thinkin he is wack or shit like that but i think they are a lot of rapper that's better than bishop..
its alright man, you are not alone. BUT i have to disagree. Im feeling bishop. A lot of rappers better than bishop?
nah, i dont think so, maybe a handful but not a lot.
people like you is not feeling bishop because he doesnt appeal to the masses/mainstream as you would prefer like your favorite mainstream artists.
But the problem is, he's trying to take the role of a mainstream artist for the west. See? Thats where the problem lies.
He would be an ill ass underground backpack type artist. I dont think anybody on here really thinks he's "WAK".
But he aint built for the mainstream and thats what the west wants right now. Someone to take Snoops spot.
Bishop aint got that kind of music. He's more like a Warren G. tight, but should be playin a different role than Dres main artist.
Of course it makes it even worse when everybody wants to work with Dre and then they're lookin at Bishop like WTF? Make sense?
yes,it makes sense ;)
Indeed it does, i guess. But Bishop can be that dude, anything is possible. He can make mainstream music but its a matter of when will he do it and of course he will and if/when he does some underground heads are not gonna like it. Believe me Bishop will Say Hi to the Mainstream
He can take the Kanye route and be somewhat conscious and controversial with several mainstream-type singles here and there.
Bishop knows whats up. It aint that hard. There are Some hatin ass idiots up here think Bishop is wack, i laughed at that shit and thinking to myself 'fucking dummies'.
Hell, when Snoop first came out, he was coming off hard core and then he just softens up and wants to be hard again.