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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: Doggystylin on February 01, 2008, 10:59:04 AM
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All I ever hear on this board about Eminem is about how wack he is and for god sakes when people are putting Busta Rhymes over him I have to take into consideration that I have been on this board for years and there are a lot of newbs on here nowdays that just simply might be too young to have been listening to hip hop back in 99-03, cause I know there are a lot of 14-16 year olds on here. Nothing wrong with that. I was 14 when I started posting on this board. But it just doesn't make sense to me when I hear people talking about Eminem being wack. Maybe you guys just don't remember his work in those days. Infinite, SSLP,2001, MMLP, Devil's Night, Eminem Show, Random guest appearances. Everything he spit in those days was either 5/5 or 4/5 material.
I mean yeah sure he's put out weak shit in the recent years but since when you judge an artist on not even a tenth of his work. the MAJORITY of his work is strong compared to his weak songs that he's released. Yet he still gets shitted on. So many great artists have put out weak material but the weak gets overlooked and they get praised for their good.
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the eminem show is one of the best albums I ever heard...his verses on devils night and some of his verses on d12 world, as well as some of the verses he spit on encore, were legendary material as well
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I fully endorse this thread.
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His material from 1999-2002 is classic. After that, his lyrics started to decline in terms of quality, but he is still capable of delivering strong performances, depending on the beat, his vocal delivery and the subject matter itself. His flow has never been an issue, because even on his wackest joints, he still maintains his delivery. He just needs to get back into that '99-2000, 2001 mode, when he was just vicious on the mic.
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Eminem's first album was a classic. I remember the first time i heard Guilty Conscience and his lyrical ability was shittin on everything
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I got into Eminem right away. I remember hearing "My Name Is" and "Guilty Conscience" on the radio in early '99 and one of my buddies had the "I Just Don't Give A Fuck" b/w "Brain Damage" single...I was hooked. I feel so old, I was 17 when that came out.
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Eminem has put out classic albums. Id say his first 2 were the best and Devils Night was good too. He fell off hard tho after the eminem show.
The point was that you said that eminems whole catalogue was better then busta's, which i disagreed on because busta hasnt put out a wack album yet.
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The point was that you said that eminems whole catalogue was better then busta's, which i disagreed on because busta hasnt put out a wack album yet.
Busta Rhymes' catalogue isn't that strong, he's got a few great albums but no classics and he has a couple weak albums.
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LOL talking like when Em came out it was so long ago.
I remember going to a Snoop concert in 93 bumping Eazy E on the way to the concert.
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The point was that you said that eminems whole catalogue was better then busta's, which i disagreed on because busta hasnt put out a wack album yet.
Busta Rhymes' catalogue isn't that strong, he's got a few great albums but no classics and he has a couple weak albums.
which albums were weak?
Genesis is considered a classic to me.
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E.L.E. & Anarchy ain't that great and I never heard It Ain't Safe No More but that got pretty bad reviews. Genesis might be one of your favourite albums but it's not a classic.
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its all opinions my friend. I loved E.L.E, the title track was fire! Basically eminem fell off and busta hasnt so: Busta > Eminem in the year 2008.
May I add that the recent Dillagence mixtape is prolly the hottest mixtape ive heard in years. ;D
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The Slim Shady LP = classic
The Marshall Mathers LP = near classic
The Eminem Show = weak, this is where Eminem started to fall off
I don't even wanna talk about the rest.
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yeah when emimen first came out i was around 13 and just starting to dabble in to rap.. Rock Bottom from the Slim Shady LP is one of the realest tracks he ever touched on imo...
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Eminem basically started to fall off when he stopped doing drugs.
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shiiiit i remember back then when eminem was droppin heat like its nuttin, especially over dre tracks BUT this was in 1999-2001/2....todays its 2008 and eminem has been garbage for a long time....yes at one stage he was considered close to untouchable, but many rappers have been through a stage like that, whether u want to talk about snoop, pac, biggie, nas, jigga just to name a few...
by the way when u speak of classics what do you mean? as in albums or tracks? because no doubt he put out hella 5/5 joints but classic albums? hell naw....sslp aint no classic,. nor is eminem show...encore is on the total opposite end of the classic judgin scale and mmlp is his closest attempt....i wouldnt argue if you said to me that was a classic...
by the way off topic but in regards to the genesis talk on this topic, its a banger no doubt, alot of club/party classics on the album but it isnt a classic album...
eminem has always had no variety, his one of the least versatile rappers around and thats his biggest problem, he could speak on shit on sslp...expand on the same shit on mmlp....by the time eminem show came around his same topics became played out....and then on encore is just got ridicolous....try something new, try reaching out or atleast come lyrical on a serious tip if you cannot find yourself musically inspired anymore...take a tip from cats like luda,jigga, snoop, nas who put out albums consistantly and seem to always have shit to speak on and come from different angles...
by the way before groupies jump on me, i aint no eminem hater, when he drops his new album i will cop it, i just hope dre makes sure this cat comes straight...don't want to hear more garbage but im also realistic about the hiphop world and there are other cats out there who are dope too, not just eminem...
by the way im 23, wasnt introduced to hiphop through eminem, was born and raised on shit like hiphop....and i remember when cats like eminem were droppin alot of 5/5 joints but so were many other cats
pz
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Nas OK Jay ehh ok, but Snoop? that motherfucker has been rapping the same elementary rhymes since 92, how can you say he's versatile? his subject matter has been going in circle for years.
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Nas OK Jay ehh ok, but Snoop? that motherfucker has been rapping the same elementary rhymes since 92, how can you say he's versatile? his subject matter has been going in circle for years.
lmao@ snoop not being versatile...his twice as versatile as nas and probably pretty much the same as jigga....i aint even a jigga fan but i recognize that....snoops style of rapping may not have changed much but he can make club joints, serious shit, weird shit, bangers, hood shit, thinking shit....snoop can go from hennessey n buddah to drop it likes its hot to beautiful to lay low to y'all gone miss me...thats how versatile snoop is...he is easily one of the most versatile rappers out....eminem on the other hand...lol....mom, wife, baby.........BOOOOORRRRING....eminems been wack a for a long ass time...
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I'm 22, I remember when Em blew up
The Slim Shady LP = classic
The Marshall Mathers LP = near classic
The Eminem Show = weak, this is where Eminem started to fall off
I don't even wanna talk about the rest.
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Nas OK Jay ehh ok, but Snoop? that motherfucker has been rapping the same elementary rhymes since 92, how can you say he's versatile? his subject matter has been going in circle for years.
lmao@ snoop not being versatile...his twice as versatile as nas and probably pretty much the same as jigga....i aint even a jigga fan but i recognize that....snoops style of rapping may not have changed much but he can make club joints, serious shit, weird shit, bangers, hood shit, thinking shit....snoop can go from hennessey n buddah to drop it likes its hot to beautiful to lay low to y'all gone miss me...thats how versatile snoop is...he is easily one of the most versatile rappers out....eminem on the other hand...lol....mom, wife, baby.........BOOOOORRRRING....eminems been wack a for a long ass time...
this is true
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IMO
SSLP=Near Classic
MMLP=Classic
Eminem Show=Dope Album
8 Mile tracks=dope tracks
and thats about it..
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I fully endorse this thread.
word,although i have been less than impressed with his recent shit i refuse to write the dude off.
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I fully endorse this thread.
word,although i have been less than impressed with his recent shit i refuse to write the dude off.
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I fully endorse this thread.
word,although i have been less than impressed with his recent shit i refuse to write the dude off.
Me too.
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LOL talking like when Em came out it was so long ago.
I remember going to a Snoop concert in 93 bumping Eazy E on the way to the concert.
i remember yesterday, i was eating a sandwich, and then i had ems back in a thread VERY similar to this one...kinda like the one i was in two days ago, when someone else said the EXACT same thing too. cmon now, he isnt wack. hes been in a slump as of late. MMLP, SSLP, eminem show, a few verses here and there were classics, after GRODT he was wack. its the same shit everyday ::). anyone have any recent news on the man? i heard he was gaining weight? how is that goin? i hear hes in a limbo, if he should drop another album? any recent word on that? cuz makin a new thread everyday bout the man sayin how hes wack and how he use to be good is getting OLD!!!
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its all opinions my friend. I loved E.L.E, the title track was fire! Basically eminem fell off and busta hasnt so: Busta > Eminem in the year 2008.
May I add that the recent Dillagence mixtape is prolly the hottest mixtape ive heard in years. ;D
The Coming & Genesis are fuckin' really strong albums, full of quality material.I think that's Busta at his best
When Disaster Strikes is really nice too, but not as good as the above 2.Can't comment on E.L.E., and what I've heard from Anarchy has been great (probably my favourite Scott Storch beat, Bladow!, and Busta and Raekwon on a Large Pro beat :o )
It Ain't safe No More has some BANGING Dilla beats and a good portion of solid tracks.Haven't bumped it in a long time, and I should.The Big Bang, again is a good album minus 2-3 tracks
Come to think of It I should listen to Busta's discography and post my thoughts.I'm curious to see the reactions
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I don't understand all the love for Em.
I like his serious stuff, but when people bring up SSLP and MMLP - everything I've heard from that time is Em with a whiny ass high pitched voice and ridiculously overdone hardcore lyrics. It's not impressive, its just weird. I like a few songs off each of his albums (even Encore), but none of them are listenable the whole way through. Not even half-way through.
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I was in my earlier teens when the SSLP and the MMLP came out and I do remember those were great albums. I don't know why people keep hating on The Eminem Show, most of it was pretty good IMO...the shit that came after that is forgettable, but I think we're all agreeing there
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All I ever hear on this board about Eminem is about how wack he is and for god sakes when people are putting Busta Rhymes over him I have to take into consideration that I have been on this board for years and there are a lot of newbs on here nowdays that just simply might be too young to have been listening to hip hop back in 99-03, cause I know there are a lot of 14-16 year olds on here. Nothing wrong with that. I was 14 when I started posting on this board. But it just doesn't make sense to me when I hear people talking about Eminem being wack. Maybe you guys just don't remember his work in those days. Infinite, SSLP,2001, MMLP, Devil's Night, Eminem Show, Random guest appearances. Everything he spit in those days was either 5/5 or 4/5 material.
I mean yeah sure he's put out weak shit in the recent years but since when you judge an artist on not even a tenth of his work. the MAJORITY of his work is strong compared to his weak songs that he's released. Yet he still gets shitted on. So many great artists have put out weak material but the weak gets overlooked and they get praised for their good.
Co-sign.
No doubt, Eminem carries the burden of genius. He held such a high standard from 98 to 2003 that he never released a wack song during those years, which is actually phenomenal when you think about it. The only other rapper that can accomplish that is 2pac..... Every other rapper comes out with wack joint after wack joint but we just skip past it and focus on their great songs and great albums.
Think about it like this, the three greatest rappers ever are....
1. 2pac - no wack cuts
2. Eminem- no wack cuts from 98-2003
3. Nas - first album flawless, second album had as many wack cuts as it did hot joints. Third and fourth album were complete trash, we forgave him and he started puttin out some hot joints again (along with fillers).
...now think of how many wack joints Nas has done and been on over the years and we give him a free pass and overlook all his wack cuts and guest appearances.
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All I ever hear on this board about Eminem is about how wack he is and for god sakes when people are putting Busta Rhymes over him I have to take into consideration that I have been on this board for years and there are a lot of newbs on here nowdays that just simply might be too young to have been listening to hip hop back in 99-03, cause I know there are a lot of 14-16 year olds on here. Nothing wrong with that. I was 14 when I started posting on this board. But it just doesn't make sense to me when I hear people talking about Eminem being wack. Maybe you guys just don't remember his work in those days. Infinite, SSLP,2001, MMLP, Devil's Night, Eminem Show, Random guest appearances. Everything he spit in those days was either 5/5 or 4/5 material.
I mean yeah sure he's put out weak shit in the recent years but since when you judge an artist on not even a tenth of his work. the MAJORITY of his work is strong compared to his weak songs that he's released. Yet he still gets shitted on. So many great artists have put out weak material but the weak gets overlooked and they get praised for their good.
Co-sign.
No doubt, Eminem carries the burden of genius. He held such a high standard from 98 to 2003 that he never released a wack song during those years, which is actually phenomenal when you think about it. The only other rapper that can accomplish that is 2pac..... Every other rapper comes out with wack joint after wack joint but we just skip past it and focus on their great songs and great albums.
Think about it like this, the three greatest rappers ever are....
1. 2pac - no wack cuts
2. Eminem- no wack cuts from 98-2003
3. Nas - first album flawless, second album had as many wack cuts as it did hot joints. Third and fourth album were complete trash, we forgave him and he started puttin out some hot joints again (along with fillers).
...now think of how many wack joints Nas has done and been on over the years and we give him a free pass and overlook all his wack cuts and guest appearances.
lmao.
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I was in my earlier teens when the SSLP and the MMLP came out and I do remember those were great albums. I don't know why people keep hating on The Eminem Show, most of it was pretty good IMO...the shit that came after that is forgettable, but I think we're all agreeing there
co-sign (I wasn't in my early teens, lot younger than that, but I agree with everything else)
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just listen to the eminem show...cant understand why people find that a weak album...its a classic to mee...same league as 2pac en biggie's albums
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Fuck him. You're only as good as your last verse. Although I do listen to his classics from the 20th century.
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No doubt, Eminem carries the burden of genius. He held such a high standard from 98 to 2003 that he never released a wack song during those years, which is actually phenomenal when you think about it. The only other rapper that can accomplish that is 2pac..... Every other rapper comes out with wack joint after wack joint but we just skip past it and focus on their great songs and great albums.
A genius is measured, not by the highest of his highs and his abilities, but by the lowest of his lows and his flaws? That's a depraved mindstate, and you should know it. It's a shame that's being overshadowed by the ridiculousness of a certain statement about 2Pac's legacy.
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You're only as good as your last verse.
Nice quotable!