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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: BadBoy4Life (Guest) on May 22, 2001, 03:40:19 AM
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Suge Knight should just do himself a favor, just offically end DeathRow. He should get out of jail and live off whatever remains of the money he has. He's just wasting his time, DeathRow will never get any better then it is now. Alot of people think CROOKED I is great and can put DeathRow back on top and I think that's bullshit and hype. CROOKED I is an average MC who could probably go gold on a label that is popular. But as far as saving a label that's dead and a label that sold 85,000 units on it's last release (TGFR) I don't see it happening. Suge should face facts DeathRow was on top once but in it's current state DeathRow is a joke. The only reason I think DeathRow isn't dead and bankrupt is because of the unreleased material they have. How sad, a label living off of material that 1The artists who made the material are not on DeathRow or dead and 2 its material that the artists felt wasn't good enough to release. I definetly think once the Pac material is all released Suge will finally come to his senses and offically take DeathRow off life support and kill it. And how sad that Suge Knight after fucking pac out of millions of dollars while he was alive is still fucking pac out of more millions while the mans dead. I don't know about yall but that makes my stomah turn. A nontalented, worthless nobody getting rich off of a dead man. Suge Knight should not have his hands on any of that money , it's not right. Suge should just release all the garbage the ex inmates left and call it a quits with DeathRow. Get as much money as you can off of the talent you screwed and fucked over and just leave. But no Suge Knight is a failure and a nothing, so everybody has to be a failure and a nothing. He has to hate on anybody doing better then him which is everyone. He has to try and bring people down by making up lies and bs stories to make himself feel better then the failure he is. But can you blame him? Look at Suge Knight, CEO of DeathRow Records a label that's dead and considered a joke in the music industry, a label with not one established star, a label who released an album that sold 85,00 copies, a label that lives off of a dead man and lives off of exinmates who no longer record for them. I mean it must suck to be Suge, he can't rap, can't produce, he has no talent. His ememies Dre, Snoop is selling plantnium albums making millions, winning awards etc that's all money Suge who does nothing could have fucked them out of ahh how rough. Another Suge enemy Puffy and BadBoy releasing albums , making money, shit Suge Knights been in a jail cell for years with all men while Puffy has been banging Jenny Lopez. I mean come on you don't think these things bother Suge Knight, shit id make up lies and stories to if my enemies were getting millions and fucking a girl like Jenny Lopez while I run a dead label from a jail cell. The best selling record label in the industry to this I must say Suge Knight has to be one of the biggest losers in the entertainment industry today, to let an empire like that turn into a complete joke. But let's see first off Suge never had the money to start a label because he wasn't smart or talented enough to earn it so of course he stole it. He strong armed a silly whiteboy in Vanilla Ice and got his money. And no he didn't even think of the name DeathRow it was a friend of his. So here he is ceo of a label that is funded off of somebody elses money and named after what somebody else thought of. Now with a label you need talent, Suge can't rap, produce, recruit, so let's find talent oh wait no let's just steal the talent that RUTHLESS records had and already established. And here we are DEATHROW records is formed, Dre brings Snoop and it starts and SUGE Knight sits back and counts his money that he never did anything for. And as far as SUGE Knight being so tough there were alot of rumors, stories that EAZY mutha fuckin E called that nigah out to the streets the gutter and Suge Knight was a no-show. But anyway in closing I guess Suge Knight got what he deserved.
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true... i think the walls are stopping him from seeing the truth... I mean who's gonna tell there incarcerated boss the company has little respect anymore... But I believe the machine is there.. and
as seen from UTEOT they can still make money.. they arent going anywhere.. and from the new line up it looks like they are shifting in some 'regular' artists.. and SKG does have nice tits.. so she'll sell.
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You think Crooked I is an AVERAGE MC
You really are a "Bad Boy/P.Diddy" fan aren't you.
You probably thought Ma$e was a good MC you bitch ass mutha fucka.
Thou i aint a brainwashed Row fan & am pissed off at there lying, i do like some of the talent they have there & they do have the potential to at least dig themselves out of the hole there in.
I dont think they will reach number 1 again, if they do they will need a special producer.
The way i see it there Rappers are tight (Crooked I, SKG, even Swoop can go) but there production isnt exactly wack but isnt chart topping either (Cold187). They need more than just Big Hutch on the boards, they need a variety of producers, hopefully finding one who comes up with a sound that people will feel.
& dissing will get them nowhere. Sure maybe one or two songs, but you here so many disses from them on one cd that you get eventually so tired of hearing them.
Diss songs are special & can be a good touch to a cd if used in MODERATION. Too many polutes the album
Then when you have some idiot trying to resemble Pac in both voice & looks trying to insult people in Hollywood by accusing them of being gay, you know where your label is heading.
Realest just showed how immature he is in that song, implying every sell out or sissy can automatically change there sexual preference. Ignorance, but then again tha Row brainwashed fans are immature & ignorant, he must be cattering for them :)
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You probably thought Ma$e was a good MC
hahaha, im sorry but i cant help but laugh when i hear the name Ma$e.
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You probably thought Ma$e was a good MC you bitch ass mutha fucka.
I remember when you were dissin Snoop and Trauma went over to personal insults, so you were tellin him how childish he were to do that shit, now you doin the same thang homie
That nigga badboy4life makes some sense with his post, Suge should realize that his company is dead and stop makin music or else he might end up dead to, there is a limit for how much shit motherfuckers can tolerate from him.
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OooooWeeeeee
Suge is talentless
He is just a hustler - that is it
Their artists cannot stand up for themselves and say "No I'm not cussing someone I've never met".
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First Off, I Understand The Negative Criticism Of The Bullshit They Pull With The Remix Albums, And The Shit Aimed At Biting Off Snoop And Dre's Popularity...
But I Think It's Hella Wrong To Talk Shit About Suge Being In Jail, Or Saying He's Gay Now... Ain't NOBODY Steppin' To Suge In Prison, Pleezbalieve... Plus, He's In There On A Bullshit Probation Violation, Anyways... They Should Have Never Locked Him Up This Long For That Bullshit Charge
For The Rest, I'm Gonna Reserve Judgement... They Better Drop That C - R - UH - OH! Album, Before People Get Tired Of Their Bullshit.. I Totally Agree With The Comments On Tha Realest, That's Embarassing.
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i think he should of stayed in jail longer......if you are on probation..u dont do any fowl shit.....besides..im sure the judge knew suge has been doing other things wrong.....if all he is going to do is start something with other artist..kill the fool or keep his ass in jail......imo
do what mephis bleek said suge..and get yo mind right....
Hmmmm russel Simmons built Def Jam to be one of the best companies ever by doing what....hanging people off of balconies? stompin people in las vegas hotels? stealin all his artist publishin?
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A man dissing Death Row named BadBoy4Life. I'm sorry, but it just makes sense.
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Hmmmm russel Simmons built Def Jam to be one of the best companies ever by doing what....hanging people off of balconies? stompin people in las vegas hotels? stealin all his artist publishin?
Hambone made a good point. Thats why he gonna get hurt someday. He need to grow up and run a company like a man, not a fat bitch.
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This is such bull shit suge made dre a gangsta again. He is just a lip liner wearing fag. So fuck everyone who thinks death row is dead u just saying that shit to comford your self because u know their coming back and there is nothing any one can do to stop them. just check out the source they said it them self's
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bull shit suge is just a lip liner wearing fag. So fuck everyone who thinks death row is that shit because u know their nothing. stop them they said it them self's
That's What You Meant, Right?
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heres a list of artists that MADE deathrow
Dr. Dre
The D.O.C
Snoop Doggy Dogg
2pac
Dat nigga Daz Dillinger
Kurupt
Nate Dogg
Warren G (regulate the single)
Lady Of Rage
these artists made deathrow....not suge
Deathrow is dead all they can do is release old material and do disses and try to come back with washed up artists (yeah i said it!) crooked I is good but Ras Kass and Xzibit are 2 times better and even if both Kass and x to the z signed to DR they couldn't even make tha row rise again....they're dead no matter how you flip it....now with this said (the truth) let's all move on to more important things
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Me being a BADBOY fan has nothing to do with anything I say about DeathRow. I don't have any personal beef with DeathRow, I wasn't involved with any of the BADBOY DeathRow beef. My closest affilation towards BADBOY is im on their street team which bascially hands out stuff and promotes them. That's how I became a fan of BADBOY in the first place. I don't have any inner hatred towards The Row. Everything I said and stated about them NUMEROUS people agree with and have already stated themselves, I could HATE BadBoy and still feel the same way about DeathRow Records. So yall give me a break a man has his opinions ,respect them, debate them, but don't question them because we all have them shoot. And by the way Ma$e was wack.
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yeah engies that was fucked up to take shots at the dude above me here, cuz in all reality bad boy is an empire, and has alot more better talent on it than deathrow does right now
i mean c'mon
Black Rob-Tight
G-dep- he's cool
Carl Thomas-the bomb.com
theres more but i can't think of them right now but i actally can say i have alot of respect for badboy, they just had that one POP period where everything was gay....but their early stuff and new stuff is tight
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BIGjakeDOGGYdogg yo I appreciate that comment. Im saying all im doing is expressing an opinion. Everyone has one I aint going to hate on anyone with an opinion no matter how much I disagree with it. I'll disagree and try and prove you wrong but I won't hate. So im open minded to yalls opinions yall can be open minded to mine. And yeah i've been a BADBOY fan since back in the day and for awhile they were wack as hell with the pop shit. But atleast they taking it back to the streets with G-Dep, SHYNE, Black Rob, no more pop shit.
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no more pop shit
Dream..
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My main beef with BadBoy4life was calling Crooked I an "average MC". he is more than that bud, you obviously been listening to the wrong crooked I buddy!
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Yeah but he ain't gonna ressurect the row. You don't just need to be a good rapper to be a long term succes but you need charisma
See Snoop, Pac, Cube,Jay Z etc.
Who was arguably the tightest rapper in N.W.A? - Ren
But Cube and Eazy had amazing charisma and Dre is just God and a genius so Ren got respect but never mainstream success.
We won't talk about Yella LOL
For Crooked I to raise Death Row he has to become mainstream - and he has not got the overall talent to do that
Safe
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It's All About Charisma...
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you can say that again.....
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Engies is right...Crooked I is one of the greatest we've seen...One of my personal favorites...
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Dream..
I think he's keeping one seperated from the other. I heard that he has Dream record in a seperate studio than the rest of BadBoy. Besides, P. Diddy just found a way to make a quick buck off the N' Stink/Britny Spears age.
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And he probly got them in bed too... :P
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Well honestly yall alot of people are giving CROOKED I way to much credit in my opinion. Now i've only heard some of his stuff and it aint that hot in my opinion. Also from what I hear he hasen't recored much stuff for people to even judge (I could be wrong about that) But I guess in all fairness we can't judge the nigga yet until his album is released and we get to hear it. He does have his own production team so we should only have to tolerate some of DeathRows/Hutchs washed up production on his album. As for DREAM damn I don't consider them BADBOY ;P
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I wouldn't say Hutch's production is washed-up. And Dream is with Bad Boy no matter how much you ignore it Puffy signed them.
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"Crooked I is one of the greatest we've seen...One of my personal favorites... "
I think you're taking it slightly too far!
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Crooked I is definently one of the top 20 MC's...And that IS one of the greatests today...
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I'm with Jay Ay Beee on this one. How could you say he is one of the greatists when he only put out a couple of songs. He hasn't even put out an album and the one Big Jake had he said sucked. I believe he is good but you gotta put out some albums and some really incredible songs before your considered one of the greats.
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NIK you must be joking right???!!!!
C'mon at least wait to the album comes out!!!!!!!!
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I never thought that we would ever see a screen name BadBoy4Life , its all good though , i dont care
Crooked I is good but we havent really seen him that much i mean usually you wait after thier sophmore album. but from what we have seen so far he has been good. but there are so many great artist out there that i dont think he would be in the top 20 in my opinion
But maybe in NIK's opinion cause if you tell everyone in here to write out a list of their top 20 mc's their not all gonna be the same and thats just how its gonna be no matter what anyone does.
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So far, I never heard Crooked I come off whack, and that's rare...He was basically all over the C-Style Compilation, so I'm judging him on over 15 songs that I heard with him on it, not 2 or 3 like most of yall...I bet if we made a list of top 20 MC's Crooked I would most definently be in there...
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Sorry dawg, there is no way you can say he is in the top 20. Give him a couple of years and then we can say that if its true.
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Name 20 MC's better than him...
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Its more like he is one of the top Westcoast rappers.
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No, Let's see if you can come up with 20 better MC's...
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Better in what area?
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He is tight but I woudln't even put him in a group of top 50 mcs. He has dropped only alittle bit of material.
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I'm talking about top 20 MC's today...MCs...Shit, I might even put him in the top ten...
Better in what area?
Lyrics...
He is tight but I woudln't even put him in a group of top 50 mcs. He has dropped only alittle bit of material.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLO, C-Style compilation is basically like his CD, he is on almost every track, you obviously dont have this....Plus add up all the shit he's done on Soundtracks, Guest Spots, Other Compilations. Etc....He's been on at leats 25 tracks that I've heard of...obviously, you only have heard 3 or 4 of his tracks, and that's why yall dont know how good he is...
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25 tracks?? Thats nothin. You can't call him the best off of 25 songs. Your overdoing it man.
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Crooked I is in the top 5 for westcoast MCs for sure right now. His up there with Kurupt and Xzibit. As for top 20 of all time, here's 20 that are better.
Not in order:
Slick Rick
Snoop Doggy Dogg
Ice Cube
LL Cool J
Notorious B.I.G.
2Pac
Kurupt
M.C. Ren
Rappin' 4'Tay
Canibus
Big L
Method Man
Big Daddy Kane (didn't think I bring up Kane now)
KRS-One
Roxana (both of them for that matter)
Guru
E-40
Kadafi
Bad Azz
Xzibit
And the rapper known as God, Rakim
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NIK you're talking out of your arse
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At least Mdogg agrees with me....
Jay ay bee, please dont talk, cuz I read your posts in the past and you are as uneducated as ODB, I;m tired of you talking shit...So just shut the fuck up...
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i dunno he's one of the best out now, but not of all time, i'm not going to say he's the best rapper i've heard ever like engies would say that's a little shallow...considering he thinks daz's lyrics are up there with the likes of GZA and Inspectah Decks....(i ain't hatin' engies your still my homeboy) but i dunno i think these rappers who are out now are better than crooked...
1. Xzibit-now just cuz y'all didn't like his album doesn't make him not any good anymore....he can kill almost any mc on wax...including crooked I...just take a look at his track with him on streetz iz a mutha, you can't tell me that xzibit didn't rip it better than crooked on that track
2. Rass Kass- he's a lyrical jewel, people on the east coast as well as the west coast love him...c'mon when people compare you to Rakim and 2pac in a possitive way..you gotta be good
3. Nas- nas might have fallen a tad since his glory days but he is still capable of dishing it out
4. Kurupt-one of the dons of westcoast MC'ing
5. Method Man-shit aint' too many who can fuck with the ticalionstalion
6.Eminem- my lord , he might be loved by white people but so what i think he's one of today's premier mc's
7. planet asia-for reals tight tight mc'ing
8. Gza- dude has some of the best metophores in all of hip hop
9. common-i don't like him but he is a very damn good mc
10. mos def- i actually think as the years go on he'll be hailed as one of the best
those are just 10 that i think are better than crooked , i still think there are at least 8 or 9 more that are better ...
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Snoop
Jay Z
Tray Dee
Jadakiss
Tash
Raekwon
Hittman
Andre 3000
Devin the Dude
Scarface
There's ten more
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Snoop
Jay Z
Tray Dee
Jadakiss
Tash
Raekwon
Hittman
Andre 3000
Devin the Dude
Scarface
no.....crooked i is better than jay-z, tray dee, jadakiss, tash , hittman, devin the dude and scarface
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It's gonna come down to a matter of opinion but all I'm gonna say is that of the 10 I named 9 of them have proven track records of tightness and Hittman was all over one of the greatest Hip Hop albums of all time.
Could I also say that I fucking HATE it when you steamroller in and act as if you're word is fact all the time.
I just had to get that off my chest because a little courtesy and respect from you would be nice
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I aint heard too much of Crooked I so I cant really comment until he drops his album. On another note Ras Kass is the shit. "Don't be mad, cause I'm tossin up your woman/It's a party in her panties and I'm the only one comin" - Ras Kass
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Could I also say that I fucking HATE it when you steamroller in and act as if you're word is fact all the time.
for real. when it comes to opinions nobodys is better than anyones, its all personal taste.
personally, crooked I is one of my favorites. he is up there with the best when it comes to rhyming skill. i havent been too impressed with his death row shit tho
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true opinions are opinions but arn't you gonna come in and straighten things out also if someone says
master p is a better rhymer than Rakim
Jermaine Dupri is better lyracist than Rass Kass
LiL' wayne can flow better than Method Man
Juvenile could out rap Xzibit
some statments are just crazy maybe not as extreme as above but just simply crazy and i gotta step in and say "hey!"
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i feel you Jake, sometimes i get mad when folks say Puffy is the best or some stupid shit, but i try and at least respect their opinions no matter how ridiculous they are.
just think, some people out there might think your opinions are wack, just the way people are man.
people make the world go round
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Snoop
Jay Z
Tray Dee
Jadakiss
Tash
Raekwon
Hittman
Andre 3000
Devin the Dude
Scarface
God damn it!!! you are a retard aren't you....All the people you listed can't see Crooked I as a lyricist not an overall rapper....
The only people who are better than Crooked I Lyrics wise are Xzibit and Kurupt, IMO....
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CHILL CHILL!!! Tash and Hittman are as good as Crooked if not better in my opinion.
I can understand if you say Crooked is one of the best in the West but you goin a little too far sayin he is one of the top EVER. Especially when he hasn't even put out a album yet. Sure he was basically on every song on the C-Style compiliation but he didn't do the track on his own with his own production. Its a big difference.
You goin too far to say Crooked is the best if your thinkin straight.
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NIK said:"Crooked I is one of the greatest we've seen...One of my personal favorites..."
"Crooked I is one of the greatest we've seen..."
You said that twice, before you mentioned lyrics - to be 'one of the greatest we've ever seen' you don't just have to be good at lyrics.
Why do you call me a retard for making that list? And Jake it wasn't exactly an extreme opinion.
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I think NIK thinks he's hot ;D
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i agree with nik, jay ay bee is a stupid 1 legged sigon whore who sucks dick for pennies to buy vibrators at wal mart for 65 cents and go home and try it out while listenign to lil bow wow and jermaine dupri rip it up crooked i style
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damn kids.. why the fuckin hating?
read what Sikotic Assassin said he is on point.
NIK you have serious problems communicating with people.. *you dont straight come out and call someone a retard*.. and so much style... I know NIK has shown that he likes how Crooked I looks... but that doesnt say he swings your way.. raise off the nutz.
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Overseer, please shut up, this conversation didn't have anything to do with you...This isn't the only reason I told Jay Ay Bee to shut the hell up..I had problems with him in the past and I hate that faggot, and I know a lot of people on this board who do to...To say Scarface, Snoop, Devin, Jadakiss, Tray Deee, and Andre are better lyricists than Crooked I is just plain dumb..
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Sigh............sigh........sigh............
laying the smack down here....
First.......Everybody on this freakin board must respect each other...no matter how far fetched...the person thinks there opinion is! who cares if u dont agree with it..you can let them know, you dont agree with it, .............BUT!
If you dont agree with it, how in the hell does it give anybody the right to call them a name?
I hope the elementary school days are behind us.
We all are not going to like ever single same song. It would be a boring ass world if all we had was Dr.Dre Musik!!
Then again..that wouldnt be bad..LOL...but back to my point!
Cut out all the fuckin bullshit.........
what is so hard by just saying.........yo so and so..i dont agree with you, this is my view..and i think such and such..but that is just imo(In My Opinion)...... NIK, it isnt stupid if somenone doesnt agree with what u think....or who u feel is the best lyricist. It is intelligent for every person on this board to sit back and say, well look at it from my view......and if they dont see it from your view..move on!!! Is it really worth gettin upset online about who u like and dont like or who u think is better? No directed just at You NIK, at everybody on the board that takes things too damn serious on here.
Respect Each Others Opinion! This is the only way this Forum can operate.
when it comes to Lyricist and who is the best and all that.....u will find peeps saying master p is better....crooked i is better......state your opinion..say whatever..then move on.....life doesnt evolve around that..it evolves around diversity and everything being different.......
Besides, we like Crooked I, and Master P, and Snoop and Dre, because we here there muzik all the time.....People Like Mr.Loc and others are striving to get to that status..there are artist all over the world that are probably better than Crooked I and tray dee and scarface etc........that just dont have the exposure.....and could rip them up.........
so it doesnt really matter that much.....there is always someone out there....that is better than you......right now Dre is on top.......but there was someone before Dre...and there will be someone after dre.....that is my point....
Respect Each Other......how is it worth gettin upset over a opinion? And name callin..what the fuck is that? When I see that shit on the board, it reminds me of my little 9 year old brother playing outside with his friends calling each other names....
IMO, some of ya'll need to grow up......if you cant accept someones oppinion and u have something bad to say..keep it to yourself :-X ..or get the FUCK off this board!
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Hambone, Peace
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You are 100% right dawg...But I just hate Jay Ay Beee, he is just one of those people that I cant stand...I didnt care when Bdogg didnt like my oppinion, cuz I know he's my homie and we're cool and all...But then Jay Ay Beee comes into the conversation and starts talking like a teeny bopper...I bet he hasn't heard 1 Crooked I tracks...Even after he was talking shit I didnt diss him, but when he started making gay coments like "NIK you're talking out of your arse" I got pissed and dissed him for talkin that...Then the person who made this board, the fuckin owner of this board, the person who you would least expect to take sides on such a thing comes and says some gay shit like "I think NIK thinks Crooked I's hot".......How immature can you get? That made you sound like Whorider or some shit...I'm still cool with the homie Overseer, I'm still cool with jake, I'm still cool with Bdogg, and everyone on this board...But Jay Ay Beee one faggot I cant stand...So now, put a lock on this topic...And if your name is Jay Ay Beee go jack off to an Eminem Poster....The End...
Peace, and No Beef...
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Yeah but you need to relax for real. Its a message board, not real life. No need to make your blood pressure rise over someone saying somethin to you. We need people to lighten up conversations.
I know you hae Jay since he first came here. Your were all on him ever since he was sayin "izzle" in his posts. You told him he sounded ignorant and shit so you started hatin on him over stupid shit.
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Okay I guess in the max 25 songs CROOKED I has been on can you please tell me what he's done that was so great that you can consider him one of the best of all time already? Hey i'll consider him a top MC maybe after 3,4 plat albums, I might even consider him a dope cd if his album sells like shit but I just happen to feel it, BUT I cant form an opinion on him after only 25 songs with shitty to decent production. And as for the 25 songs I maybe heard him in 3-4 and i'll stick to my original opinion that in the songs i've heard him in he sounded like a average mc. He didn't stand out, take control over the song, do anything special for me personally to think he'll be anything special or anything more then an average mC.
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Yeah I agree with u mostly Badboy. He ripped it up on Tha Streetz but I don't think u can make judgements on how good he is until he at leasts drops 1 album.
Now I Know: I'm not gonna respond to you because I don't really find ur comments insulting, I would just like to come on this forum without seeing my name mentioned on nearly every topic. I just think you need to look at some of the stuff that has been said by Overseer and a few others and take it into account. I have no problem with you.
Like Dre says : "Keep my name out of your mouth and we can keep it the same"
Safe
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im cool with nik and the narrator..
...always was
but i dont really see how you can read jay ay bee's posts and say that hes a retard or he has no knowledge...
in my opinion hes an intelligent poster...with a lil humour too...one of the best on the board
maybe im a retard?
anyway....crooked is ill but i wont say hes one of the best until i hear an ill album...
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Its a message board, not real life
This IS real life...
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NIK u take things too damn serious on here...
no disrespect man, but you needs to chill..........
we know this is REAL LIFE............
but this forum is not.....its a place to express opinions...look at things from a different prespective even if u dont accept it, not get upset where your blood boils....get upset at what someone does to you in person, not what someone types!
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Peace hambone
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True that Hambone... your right on point!
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I dont take anything seriously...DAMN! Just fuck it, whatever...
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Just Chill And Listen To The Beats I Spill , Keepin' It Real
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Its a message board, not real life
This IS real life...
You know what I'm sayin. No need to pick at every word I say. Remember what happened last time you were doin that.