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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: Doggystylin on March 19, 2008, 06:06:32 PM
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Haters, Encore had some sick tracks, yeah most of it was garbage but it's still better than the majority of rap now days
Hmmm....I dunno. I'd honestly rather listen to "Crank Dat" by Soulja Boy song before "My 1st Single" and "Big Weenie". God damn, that was a wack album.
ok but those are the worst songs on there, crank dat is soulja boy's single and hit song, standards have obviously dropped.
Good point. I feel like pouring hydrochloric acid into my ear when I listen to Power 106 now.
lmao seriously, new rock >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new rap
if rap doesn't pick it up soon i think i'm gonna have to say overall rock>>>rap
infact let me make a thread about this
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I almost listen exclusively to classic rock now. Not every third Zeppelin song has T-Pain fucking it up with his Roger Troutman impersonations.
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classic rock is the only station i listen to on the radio in the rare occasions that i do, what is it 95.5 i think.
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I just listen to talk radio. Other than that, I got the iPod set up in the car for music. That's how this nigga rolls.
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"and fuck power 105 they dont play any dipset or cam'ron"
-killa
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HAHAH What a lame.
Rock used to be the best genre of music but it has been complete ass for the last 12, 13 years.
Rock music died when Guns N' Roses left.
Rap isnt as good all around as it used to be but there are still so many dope rappers making new music.
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classic rock is the only station i listen to on the radio in the rare occasions that i do, what is it 95.5 i think.
that's KLOS... and they mostly play classic, but once in a while they will stick in some modern. The true classic rock station 93.1 (or 2) turned in to one of those Jack FM stations.
In the morning, I listen to Power because Howard Stern is no longer on Free radio. However, the afternoons and evenings go to 97.1 because Tom Leykis rules....
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I'm very selective with the hiphop i choose to listen to now. Mainstream rap stations aren't even programmed into my stereo. I mainly listen to rock/classic rock/easy listening/oldies/alternative when i tune into the radio. Rock is better than rap right now without a doubt.
AlerG
MicLordz & Sauce Funky
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both are pretty bad, i dont even like listening to classic rock stations, i love em, but they recycle the same singles over and over. ive been pretty preoccupied with the blues to care much about any new rock but ; John mayer, the black keys, white stripes (new album eh), Babyshambles. And rap wise ive been doin a lot of old school 80s stuff
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I respect your opinion man, but the way I see it, if you don't think rap today is any good, that's either an oversimplification or you're not looking in the right places.
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I respect your opinion man, but the way I see it, if you don't think rap today is any good, that's either an oversimplification or you're not looking in the right places.
maybe i'm not, enlighten me with rap with quality which is equivalent to rap of the 90s such as constant classics which were coming out like illmatic, doggystyle, ready 2 die, all eyez on me, chronic, dogg food etc etc
fuck it, i don't even expect that, just show me something decent
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Have you ever heard of Termanology? Do you listen to AZ at all? Masta Ace? Talib Kweli? There's a ton of east coast stuff worth listening to out there, if that's what you're interested in get at me and I'll hook you up right.
Down south, there's Z-Ro, Bun B, Scarface, Outkast, Chamillionaire all putting out music that could appeal to just about any rap fan looking for something beyond senseless mumbling about candy paint and crankin it. The list goes on. Like the east, I'll show you some dope southern joints if that's what you're into.
Out west, WC just dropped a vintage CD full of bangers, Ice Cube's still doing his thing, and dudes like Bishop Lamont, G. Malone, Terrace Martin, Crooked I, Roscoe are on the come up and consistently drop music worth checking out. In my opinion, northern Cali is where it's at right now. Ya Boy, San Quinn, The Jacka, A-Wax, shit even Celly Cel's still dropping solid albums (Slaps, Straps and Baseball Bats).
I don't know as much about the midwest, but Lupe Fiasco seems like a dude that some dudes fuck with. What I do know about is Tech N9ne and his whole Strange Music posse are the business. That shit's unreal. Proof used to be dope too, but he's obviously gone.
You listed six albums that came out over the course of several years, and those several years in my opinion were the best years of rap since it was 'created'. However, today, if you looked below the surface and in some cases above (see: Chamillionaire's last album) at what has come out in the past several years, you might be surprised at the quality of a good amount of the music. There were thousands of albums released in the time period that you named for those albums, and at best fifty (which is a stretch) are remembered as dope. A number of those are probably just nostalgic picks, but that's getting philosophical. The point is, a lot of albums were put out back then; a lot of shitty music was put out then. The good music ultimately sifted to the top, and that's all that's really remembered.
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Normally I'd say rap is better than rock, but rap is pure dirt on the radio. The only problem, rock is just straight garbage. So it's garbage vs. dirt, you take your pick.
Side note, classic rock>modern rap... ol' skool rap>classic rock.
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Have you ever heard of Termanology? Do you listen to AZ at all? Masta Ace? Talib Kweli? There's a ton of east coast stuff worth listening to out there, if that's what you're interested in get at me and I'll hook you up right.
Down south, there's Z-Ro, Bun B, Scarface, Outkast, Chamillionaire all putting out music that could appeal to just about any rap fan looking for something beyond senseless mumbling about candy paint and crankin it. The list goes on. Like the east, I'll show you some dope southern joints if that's what you're into.
Out west, WC just dropped a vintage CD full of bangers, Ice Cube's still doing his thing, and dudes like Bishop Lamont, G. Malone, Terrace Martin, Crooked I, Roscoe are on the come up and consistently drop music worth checking out. In my opinion, northern Cali is where it's at right now. Ya Boy, San Quinn, The Jacka, A-Wax, shit even Celly Cel's still dropping solid albums (Slaps, Straps and Baseball Bats).
I don't know as much about the midwest, but Lupe Fiasco seems like a dude that some dudes fuck with. What I do know about is Tech N9ne and his whole Strange Music posse are the business. That shit's unreal. Proof used to be dope too, but he's obviously gone.
You listed six albums that came out over the course of several years, and those several years in my opinion were the best years of rap since it was 'created'. However, today, if you looked below the surface and in some cases above (see: Chamillionaire's last album) at what has come out in the past several years, you might be surprised at the quality of a good amount of the music. There were thousands of albums released in the time period that you named for those albums, and at best fifty (which is a stretch) are remembered as dope. A number of those are probably just nostalgic picks, but that's getting philosophical. The point is, a lot of albums were put out back then; a lot of shitty music was put out then. The good music ultimately sifted to the top, and that's all that's really remembered.
i agree wit dis katt...and yeah,chamillionaire's last album(ultimate victory) is hella dope,way better than snoops new album imo... 8) 8) 8)
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Very few rap acts catch my attention. Last few albums I checked out and enjoyed were from Cunninlynguists and Lupe Fiasco. They don't follow the same wack ass formula of T-Pain collabos, Scott Storch beats, and Lil Wayne hooks.
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90% of the hip hip i listen to is considered "underground"...but still, id rather listen to power106 for 10 hours straight rather than kroq...soulja boy>>> any of that emo shit they play.
but at the end of the day the the two stations i listen to the most are: 101.1 KEARTH and 97.1 FREEFM (tom lykis 101 mothafuccaz).
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97.1 FREEFM (tom lykis 101 mothafuccaz).
That's my station too.
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I just listen to talk radio. Other than that, I got the iPod set up in the car for music. That's how this nigga rolls.
same here, i found that radio station that talk 24/7 sports and trash about anything i like it fuck listenning to wack ass music you dont wanna hear
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it's garbage vs. dirt, you take your pick.
true story
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Normally I'd say rap is better than rock, but rap is pure dirt on the radio. The only problem, rock is just straight garbage. So it's garbage vs. dirt, you take your pick.
Side note, classic rock>modern rap... ol' skool rap>classic rock.
i choose dirt over garbage any day of the week... 8) 8) 8)
dirt>garbage...
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I havent downloaded a hip hop album and enjoyed it since big doe rehab, I'm looking forward to the new Del whenever I get it but I'm sadly not in any rush.
check my last.fm of my top 50 artists only a handful are hip hop. I've found a niche in indie rock and pop. I think it has a better scene right now and I think they are having mroe fun with what they are doing. I look at hip hop now, and I realize that I never REALLY liked a whole lot of underground shit and all my mainstream favorites haven't done too much that I'm proud of lately. I shouldnt have to scour through 5 or 6 horrible artists to find one good one. I'm always getting into some new band, almost every day I get something new, but I cant say the same about hip hop. It makes me sad that I cant rely on it the way I used to be able to in High School. Given the choice, I'd say rock>>>>hip-hop not just modern on either but I've grown up, I dont see evolution coming from hip hop in the same way, I dont ssee longevity and I sure as hell dont see me getting back into it anytime soon. I'll always have my favorite artists, and they wont let me down but I long for the day that I'll look forward to a new hip-hop album over any other genre.
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Have you ever heard of Termanology? Do you listen to AZ at all? Masta Ace? Talib Kweli? There's a ton of east coast stuff worth listening to out there, if that's what you're interested in get at me and I'll hook you up right.
Down south, there's Z-Ro, Bun B, Scarface, Outkast, Chamillionaire all putting out music that could appeal to just about any rap fan looking for something beyond senseless mumbling about candy paint and crankin it. The list goes on. Like the east, I'll show you some dope southern joints if that's what you're into.
Out west, WC just dropped a vintage CD full of bangers, Ice Cube's still doing his thing, and dudes like Bishop Lamont, G. Malone, Terrace Martin, Crooked I, Roscoe are on the come up and consistently drop music worth checking out. In my opinion, northern Cali is where it's at right now. Ya Boy, San Quinn, The Jacka, A-Wax, shit even Celly Cel's still dropping solid albums (Slaps, Straps and Baseball Bats).
I don't know as much about the midwest, but Lupe Fiasco seems like a dude that some dudes fuck with. What I do know about is Tech N9ne and his whole Strange Music posse are the business. That shit's unreal. Proof used to be dope too, but he's obviously gone.
Talib Kweli, Scarface, Outkast and Chamillionaire, I got covered. I haven't really gotten into the rest that you mentioned but I'd be down to give them a chance, but my point is, these cats you're mentioning are getting no play or recognition, that makes it really hard to follow these guys as opposed to years before when these guy's WERE the people you would hear on the radio and saw on tv and everyone talked about, remember the 2001 days? Em Dre Cube WC Warren G all those guy's were the artists people would talk about.
Now its, Soulja Boy, T-Pain, and these half R&B half rap wack ass singing rapping artists who completely turn me off towards rap.
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All fm radio sucks now except for some talk and sports stations. Unless you love hearing the same rotation of songs over and over again. Its the same bullshit on every station.
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The rock i hear sucks just as much as the rap i hear on the radio. Im sure rocks a lot like rap now, you need to delve underground to hear the good stuff. Killers, Artic Monkies etc aint sound that great to me. If i listen to rock its gonna be The Clash but most of the American rock i cant stand. Whiney bitches always talkin about how their girl fucks wit other guys cause they aint whiney emo bitches.
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"and fuck power 105 they dont play any dipset or cam'ron"
-killa
ha
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that's KLOS... and they mostly play classic, but once in a while they will stick in some modern. The true classic rock station 93.1 (or 2) turned in to one of those Jack FM stations.
In the morning, I listen to Power because Howard Stern is no longer on Free radio. However, the afternoons and evenings go to 97.1 because Tom Leykis rules....
Sirius is worth it. Hearing Stern uncensored is funny as fuck. They have all the freedom in the world now. I can't subject myself to listen to Big Boy in the Mornings anymore. Shit is just not funny. Like for real, that shit is stale. KDay is ass. Latino 96.3 is not my thing either. Occassionally 99.1 is cool, but too many dedications for my taste. With that said... again... Sirius is well worth the money.
As for the topic, what people fail to realize is they are no longer the people Rappers make their music for. If you were a fan back in the early to mid 90s, Hip Hop today is not made for you. It's made for the new generation of listeners. So, you're not going to hear music with you in mind. Today's rap fans want to dance and have a good time, so music is made as such. Can't expect rappers to only cater to you. Rock and Rap are two different styles (obviously) and have complete opposite types of fans. Rock bands make music for their fan base because it doesn't really change. Rap has always been young music, so it changes as new fans come along. Once there's a new batch of 18-25's out there, the music changes.
79-86: You had acts like Grandmaster Flash, Zulu Nation etc. Mainly danceable tracks... up beat, happy go lucky music. Mainly East Coast.
87-96: A new market (West Coast) joins the fold, introduced to Gangsta music. Spawns Sex raps and Grimey NY Records.
97-03: West Coast died. East Coast was rebuilding behind Jay. The South explodes and a new market is created. Bling raps and Crunk music emerge.
04-Now: East, West and South have had their run. Crunk started dying out. A new market is used and that's the net. Myspace, Youtube... Listeners are able to access music easier and music is produced a faster rate and has less shelf life. Now people talk about hustlin', selling dope, doing dance moves in the club, ballin', and the such.
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Ya know... I miss Stern ... I just might have to go the Sirius route.
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that's actually a very interesting theory you have there elliot and it makes sense but i'm not quite sure thats the whole story. i think it's bigger than that.
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Ya know... I miss Stern ... I just might have to go the Sirius route.
The drama with Eric the Midget is enough reason to pay for Sirius.
Doggy... Maybe it's bigger than that, but I doubt it. Hip Hop is a business. A business aims to sell and appeal to those who are most willing to purchase. Our generation (being the 90s Hip Hop heads) had our run. We did the Tootsie Roll. The Butterfly. Da Dip. We rode the Train. We gang banged on the streets of Compton, Watts and Long Beach. We mobbed it out with the Bay. We got gully in Shaolin, the Bridge and Crooklyn. We threw up enough Dubs to last us a life time. I think we just have to learn to move on. I don't think Hip Hop will spawn records like we got back in the 90s, but that's me looking at from the eyes of someone who grew up listening to Doggystle, Mailman, 36 Chambers etc. Like I've said before, those records for us were amazing. For kids growing up today, they look may look at the Game's records like that. T.I.'s records that way. Rick Ross, Jeezy etc. Those artists were influenced by artists WE grew up listening to, but they make music for the market today, not for us.
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Ya know... I miss Stern ... I just might have to go the Sirius route.
The drama with Eric the Midget is enough reason to pay for Sirius.
Doggy... Maybe it's bigger than that, but I doubt it. Hip Hop is a business. A business aims to sell and appeal to those who are most willing to purchase. Our generation (being the 90s Hip Hop heads) had our run. We did the Tootsie Roll. The Butterfly. Da Dip. We rode the Train. We gang banged on the streets of Compton, Watts and Long Beach. We mobbed it out with the Bay. We got gully in Shaolin, the Bridge and Crooklyn. We threw up enough Dubs to last us a life time. I think we just have to learn to move on. I don't think Hip Hop will spawn records like we got back in the 90s, but that's me looking at from the eyes of someone who grew up listening to Doggystle, Mailman, 36 Chambers etc. Like I've said before, those records for us were amazing. For kids growing up today, they look may look at the Game's records like that. T.I.'s records that way. Rick Ross, Jeezy etc. Those artists were influenced by artists WE grew up listening to, but they make music for the market today, not for us.
Well if that's true then that is very sad. :(
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Well if that's true then that is very sad. :(
A lot of these old school Hip Hop heads said the same thing about Gangsta rap back in the 90s. They thought it was ridiculous. They thought the music was not up to par. They were feeling the same way you feel about today's Hip Hop... Take that into consideration.
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well, if the kids listening to this shit now are inspired by this snap bullshit, god help us when the next phase hits. :-\
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well, if the kids listening to this shit now are inspired by this snap bullshit, god help us when the next phase hits. :-\
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Snap? Are people still talking about that shit? LOL. That's like people still talking about Crunk being a factor. Look at Shawty Lo of D4L, he aint making snap. Dem Franchise Boys put out some new shit, its not Snap. That was a minor phase 2 years ago. Hardly anything influential.
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i call all that bullshit snap..to me, it all sounds the same, except now, just add in the voice box.
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To me, Snap, Soulja Boy and the like that incorporate dance moves into their music are no different than the 69 Boyz, 95 South, Quad City DJz etc of the 90s.
But what do you consider snap?
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most of the shit out right now :laugh:
lol maybe 'snap' is the wrong description, but to me, it all sounds the same. some old generic beats, same old simple ass rhymes.
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Give me an example though.
If you think back to G Funk, all the rhymes were the same then. Gang Banging, low riding and repping the West. Similar sounding production all around, too. So its hard to down a specific music when the very music this forum was built is just as guilty.
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most of the shit out right now :laugh:
lol maybe 'snap' is the wrong description, but to me, it all sounds the same. some old generic beats, same old simple ass rhymes.
i consider shit like soulja boy or that other faggot hurricane chris's music to be snap...
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Hurricane is just some down South Club shit. Not really snap. Soulja Boy does incorporate Snap into his music, though.
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Hurricane is just some down South Club shit. Not really snap. Soulja Boy does incorporate Snap into his music, though.
i'm not saying it is snap...but i just think of shit like that when somebody mentions snap muzic...
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I get ya. But Hurricane isn't really snap. That's an Atlanta thing, he's from Louisiana.
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he only has one good song,i think its called "white girl(freestyle)" or some shit...the rest of his shit is fuckin annoying...
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I think dude has a crazy flow and he's only 19. Lets see if he puts out another album.
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I think dude has a crazy flow and he's only 19. Lets see if he puts out another album.
his rhymes are very basic tho...he delivers it really good,but the shits just 2 simple,as if a 8 year old wrote his shit...maybe that one 5 year old kid thats in his videos is his ghostwriter,lol...
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Snoop has basic rhymes. Daz has basic rhymes. MC Eiht has basic rhymes... etc.
Not sure if you're into those guys, but you get what Im saying.
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Snoop has basic rhymes. Daz has basic rhymes. MC Eiht has basic rhymes... etc.
Not sure if you're into those guys, but you get what Im saying.
snoop and daz have basic rhymes but they gotz better wording than hurricane...like hurricane would rhyme cat and hat...really elementary dr. suess type of shit...
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i.e.:"this is hurricane on da phone//dis shit is comin off da dome"
thats hurricane's type of shit...how can u compare dat shit 2 snoop or daz or eiht?i c where ur comin from on how snoops rhymes are basic maybe compared to common or even eminem,but hurricane's shit is hella simple...
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And you I don't like you too, so
Dis what I'm gon' do
- Daz
I just got back from Milwaukee, the All-Star game
Not the NBA nigga, i'm talkin real playa shit mayne
- Snoop
Simple and basic.
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^c'mon now Snoops recorded so much shit its hard not to find a simple/basic/wack line of his
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Snoop also has had help from a host of other writers...
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^c'mon now Snoops recorded so much shit its hard not to find a simple/basic/wack line of his
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I almost listen exclusively to classic rock now. Not every third Zeppelin song has T-Pain fucking it up with his Roger Troutman impersonations.
THATS VERY TRUE .. I THINK WE ARE JUST AT THE POINT WERE ALL NEW MUSIC IS IN A RUNT NOT JUST RAP
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Haters, Encore had some sick tracks, yeah most of it was garbage but it's still better than the majority of rap now days
Hmmm....I dunno. I'd honestly rather listen to "Crank Dat" by Soulja Boy song before "My 1st Single" and "Big Weenie". God damn, that was a wack album.
ok but those are the worst songs on there, crank dat is soulja boy's single and hit song, standards have obviously dropped.
Good point. I feel like pouring hydrochloric acid into my ear when I listen to Power 106 now.
ya i lost the love i used to have
lmao seriously, new rock >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new rap
if rap doesn't pick it up soon i think i'm gonna have to say overall rock>>>rap
infact let me make a thread about this