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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: King-Suge on October 01, 2002, 12:22:54 PM
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The new Nas album pushed under 90,000 units in his opening week. It looks like fans are disgusted at Nas' new Murder Inc. affiliation. I salute you...
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I don't think it's that bad considering there is no video or singles. And I don't see a whole lot of promotion.
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hes got ads in magazines...plus bet has played the commercial alot....so he has enough promotion...not to mention all the hype peeps are giving it...so thats pretty shitty imo...but who cares about sales anyway
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I could care less what the album sells.........shit is bangin', nuff said.
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King Suge, get your head out of your ass, most fans have had these songs for years with the exception of two or three.......the fans who brought these are the true blue fans, not the pop fans. This cd is not commercial at all, has had no promotion, and no videos.....the fact it sold 90,000 is incredible. THink, these songs were never meant to be releases so every cd sold is pure profit.
AS for the INC connection, i am not as mad as i was at first. Large Professor will be producing 5 tracks, premo has one, alchemist has a couple, and Les has some joints. Irv Gotti (i hate him) has 4 tracks, and if two are dope than we have a great album most likely, probably comparable to the underrated IT Was Written, at least on paper.
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90,000 is great for old, leftover material from past albums!
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90,000 is great for old, leftover material from past albums!
Keep tellin yourself that. Maybe youll convince yourself eventually.
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jus ignore queen suge
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90,000 is alot better than what King-Suge's label is pushing nowadays...
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ouch, King Suge should know better than dissing Nas on a Nas-biased board.. ;D
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ouch, King Suge should know better than dissing Nas on a Nas-biased board.. ;D
i dunno. i wouldnt call it nas biased. nas has more support but some yall make it out 2 be that 90% support nas. I think its more like 60% on this board. go back to tha stillmatic vs blueprint topic. it was pretty much even
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for a west coast boards theres alot of peeps who worship nas and jayz.....plain and simple...also...where have u people been?...i seen promotion in the source for this shit...bet has been playing his commercial during rap city and 106 n park...thats where the high ratings are...to just have a commercial on tv is great promotion...
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i dunno. i wouldnt call it nas biased. nas has more support but some yall make it out 2 be that 90% support nas. I think its more like 60% on this board. go back to tha stillmatic vs blueprint topic. it was pretty much even
LoL nah, I geezy made up for 10 Jigga-fans.
It's really:
Nas-biased:
Hellrazor
Euthanasia
Cliche
Tom
Teecee
C2Knuckles
vs.
Jay-biased:
I Geezy
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i dont really think im nas biased, i have givin jay props. Im not like infinite or hellrazor who think tha blueprint is horrible album. i think its a great album but i perfer stillmatic
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Blueprint- 2 mics
Stillmatic- 5 mics
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^^-- lol true true ;D
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i dont really think im nas biased, i have givin jay props. Im not like infinite or hellrazor who think tha blueprint is horrible album. i think its a great album but i perfer stillmatic
Same here man. It's not like I 'worship' Nas just because him and Jay have beef like some people I know, i've always been a huge Nas fan and i've always thought Jay-Z was overrated, even when they were on good terms. Surely if I hated Jay that much I wouldn't spend my hard earned money on his records.
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Oh, and to King Suge, why are you so obsessed with sales? I bet you never touch anything that hasn't been awarded platinum do you? Thats sad man.
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it mite just be that time of year where nobody has any fuckin money. I know there about 20 albums I wanan get but cant cos of money:
Cube Greatest hits
nas Lost Tapes
Micheal jackson Invincilbe
Micheal Jackson Thriller
Eminem The Eminem Show
Xzibit Restless
Xzibit man Vs Machine
2Pac Me Against The World
2Pac & Outlaws Ride Wi Us Or...
Dam so many,
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JOME JOME JOME:
Why the fuck am i biased towards NAS? Cuz he is one of my favourite rappers, has an incredible amount of dope songs, and when he wants to he can still go back to his ILLMATIC form? Sure, NAs does a lot of dumb shit, but he also has more dope songs than a lot of other people. He doesn't have to rely on gimmicks (Nore- "WHAT WHAT")or yelling all the time (MOP).
Nas is the type off hiphop i like cuz he is actualy a new york rapper who doesn't rely on punchlines or being all grimy and yelling and shit. Sure, his commercial shit usually sucks, but when he drops a cd like LOST TAPES, with no commercial track on it, straight real hiphop, and it sells 90,000 first week with out a video, isn't that pretty good? Cuz everyone knows true shit does not sell anymore............So get this biased shit out of your fucking head, cuz when my favourite artists fuck up like NAs has many times, or Snoop has many times, or Ras KAss with his pathetic commercial tracks, or Xzibit with his new album, i say something. THats not being BIASED, is it JOME?
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Most of what teecee said is how I feel too.
I'm not Nas baised cause I think that Stillmatic and The Lost Tapes are probably the 2 best album to come out in the last year. And that I believe Jay-Z lost in the beef.
I purchased The Blueprint, it's a good album, I just think that Stillmatic is better. Jay's verse on "Takeover" is the highlight of the war. And Blueprint had some real bangers "Heart Of The City", "Renegades", "Girls, Girls, Girls".
I think that Nas is the better emcee and I can defend that statement easier than if I said that Jigga is better.
P.S. I think that's an impressive first week for THIS album. If that's happens to God's Son, then that would be disapointing.
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Nastradamous is better than just about anything cash money has put out, keep in mind i said just about and not everything, peace.
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Most of what teecee said is how I feel too.
I'm not Nas baised cause I think that Stillmatic and The Lost Tapes are probably the 2 best album to come out in the last year. And that I believe Jay-Z lost in the beef.
I purchased The Blueprint, it's a good album, I just think that Stillmatic is better. Jay's verse on "Takeover" is the highlight of the war. And Blueprint had some real bangers "Heart Of The City", "Renegades", "Girls, Girls, Girls".
I think that Nas is the better emcee and I can defend that statement easier than if I said that Jigga is better.
P.S. I think that's an impressive first week for THIS album. If that's happens to God's Son, then that would be disapointing.
I realize its B-side material, but the fact it didnt push 100,000 units in its first week is shocking-lts be honest. Anyways-also, I find it disgusting that Nas calls himself "God's son"-and thats real. DISGUSTING....
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I misspoke and Im really sorry. Nas' Lost Tapes didnt sell 90,000 copies. I was wrong. It sold about 70,000 according to Billboard//
Now tell me how great THAT number is you Nas marks.
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I realize its B-side material, but the fact it didnt push 100,000 units in its first week is shocking-lts be honest. Anyways-also, I find it disgusting that Nas calls himself "God's son"-and thats real. DISGUSTING....
The material is better than almost everything that's come out this year.
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The material is better than almost everything that's come out this year.
He calls himself God's son..that makes me sick. There is nothing holy about Nas. He has profanity laced rap songs and even did a video mocking Jesus' crucifixion. Id slap him in the mouth if I saw him for this blatant sacreligious behavior.
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He calls himself God's son..that makes me sick. There is nothing holy about Nas. He has profanity laced rap songs and even did a video mocking Jesus' crucifixion. Id slap him in the mouth if I saw him for this blatant sacreligious behavior.
What does my quote have to do with this?
I'm not religious. I could care less if he calls himself God's Son, he could call himself Satan for all I care, as long as he keeps making quality hip-hop.
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He calls himself "Gods Son" cuz he means he is the Jesus of hiphop, what is so bad about that? Nas is one of the deeper cats in hiphop, who is favourite holier than thou artist King Suge?
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I just looked at the Billboard 200.
The Lost Tapes debuted at #10.
That's impressive for having no single or video.
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King Suge is just a Nas hater..............he has cursing in his songs, big deal?? If you dont like cursing in your songs, tell me this: WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU LISTENING TO HIP HOP?? Goddamn........
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King Suge is just a Nas hater..............he has cursing in his songs, big deal?? If you dont like cursing in your songs, tell me this: WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU LISTENING TO HIP HOP?? Goddamn........
Lol-herb. My obvious point was one shouldnt call themselves "God's son" and be all religous--and then put out the kinda albums he does. And whoever said Nas calls himself "God's son" cos hes the "Jesus Christ of rap"--could that statement BE any more sacreligious??!?? Oh yah-Peter Gabriel's new album outsold Nas...i got 3 letters for that-- L. O. L.
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Rakim is also called "The God"... Nas is/was viewed as many as the one to take Rakims place as top MC... so perhaps there's a different meaning there.
anyways... i'd like to see lost tapes sell well, but either way it's a dope LP.
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Lol-herb. My obvious point was one shouldnt call themselves "God's son" and be all religous--and then put out the kinda albums he does. And whoever said Nas calls himself "God's son" cos hes the "Jesus Christ of rap"--could that statement BE any more sacreligious??!?? Oh yah-Peter Gabriel's new album outsold Nas...i got 3 letters for that-- L. O. L.
Herb?? Hahaha, you're the only herb here kid. You the one sitting here acting like record sales make an artist. I suppose you think N'Sync is better than Nas, because they sold more, right?? GET THE FUCK OUTTA HERE.
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Oh yah-Peter Gabriel's new album outsold Nas...i got 3 letters for that-- L. O. L.
What the hell is so funny about that?
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Rakim is also called "The God"... Nas is/was viewed as many as the one to take Rakims place as top MC... so perhaps there's a different meaning there.
anyways... i'd like to see lost tapes sell well, but either way it's a dope LP.
i dont see nas being on that level...i just dont see nas as a good lyricist at all....never have and never will
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i dont see nas being on that level...i just dont see nas as a good lyricist at all....never have and never will
With that statement, Ill assume you've never listened to Illmatic before. Illmatic changed the art of emceeing like no other album. That cd is ENDLESSLY quotable.
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With that statement, Ill assume you've never listened to Illmatic before. Illmatic changed the art of emceeing like no other album. That cd is ENDLESSLY quotable.
u know what happens when ur a assume?...u make an ASS out of U and ME...but in this case u made an ass of just urself...i have heard Illmatic...and though its a good album i hold it in this high pedestal that many people do....i never bought into nas' bullshit...to me he always bit styles of people like KRS-One, Rakim and Kool G Rap....he tried to emulate them...now all of a sudden he tries to mimic Pac....to me Illmatic was nowhere near as landmark as KRS' "Blueprint"...Nas is far from an emcee....all of the "freestyles" u hear from nas are not freestyles....if he went heads with a real emcee like Supernatural he would get eaten....if he dared to step to Aceyalone he get smashed on....nas battles jayz and he becomes this staple of mc....to me thats bullshit....
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Nas is far from an emcee....nas battles jayz and he becomes this staple of mc
::) Those are some silly statements.
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Nas is far from an emcee....all of the "freestyles" u hear from nas are not freestyles....if he went heads with a real emcee like Supernatural he would get eaten....if he dared to step to Aceyalone he get smashed on....nas battles jayz and he becomes this staple of mc....to me thats bullshit....
Lol, i'm not being funny man but that coming from a big Master P fan is laughable to me. Nas is an MC, a great one at that, he's never been a great freestyler but so what, he's still a great lyracist when it comes to writing songs, and thats the most important thing because he's an album MC. If you don't consider Nas an MC then you really don't know much about what it takes to be an MC imo. Nas was inspired by alot of great MC's, such as Rakim and you can see that plain and clear in his music, he admits that and is proud of that so whats the problem? And it may seem to you like Nas has gained alot of fans since his battle with Jay but I can say for myself that I have always been a huge Nas fan and i've always considered him one of the best.
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I copped it yesterday and this is some ill shit. Fuck the haters.
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Lol, i'm not being funny man but that coming from a big Master P fan is laughable to me. Nas is an MC, a great one at that, he's never been a great freestyler but so what, he's still a great lyracist when it comes to writing songs, and thats the most important thing because he's an album MC. If you don't consider Nas an MC then you really don't know much about what it takes to be an MC imo. Nas was inspired by alot of great MC's, such as Rakim and you can see that plain and clear in his music, he admits that and is proud of that so whats the problem? And it may seem to you like Nas has gained alot of fans since his battle with Jay but I can say for myself that I have always been a huge Nas fan and i've always considered him one of the best.
i love how u swear u know all about hip hop....yea im a big master p fan...what about it?....dont mean i dont know whats up...fuck that shit....muthafucker i been listening to hip hop before u knew what hip hop was...i do not limit myself...i bump master p, chino xl, freestyle fellowship, brotha lynch, bootleg, playa fly, abstract rude, saafir, coup...i can go on....so dont talk to me about what an emcee is or not...u refer to nas as an mc...thats what he is an mc...it takes something special to be an emcee....and nas doesnt have it....u want a good emcee?...u listen to Supernatural, Chino XL, Talib Kweli, Pharoahe Monch, Crooked I, Aceyalone, Mikah 9, Rasco(no not Roscoe), Planet Asia, Sly Boogie....those are emcees...and each and every last one of them would eat nas up and spit him back out....so dont even try to tell me i dont know what a good emcee is or not...shit.....
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^^^I cant believe my eyes. Did you just say Nas aint an MC? Did you say Master P is an MC, but Nas isnt?? You've officially lost all credibility..........everyone, dont mind S.G.V......with some of the statements he just made, its impossible to take anything he says seriously from this moment on.
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jus ignore queen suge
Exactly.
90,000 is alot better than what King-Suge's label is pushing nowadays...
lol!
Nas...he has cursing in his songs, big deal?? If you dont like cursing in your songs, tell me this: WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU LISTENING TO HIP HOP?? Goddamn.
LOL!
You the one sitting here acting like record sales make an artist. I suppose you think N'Sync is better than Nas, because they sold more, right?? GET THE FUCK OUTTA HERE.
LMAO!
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Nas-biased:
Hellrazor
Euthanasia
Cliche
Tom
Teecee
C2Knuckles
You can add me to that list. ;D
Blueprint- 2 mics
Stillmatic- 5 mics
In my humble opinion...
Blueprint - 4 mics
Stillmatic - 4½ mics
Nastradamous is better than just about anything cash money has put out.
Cash Money has never put anything good out.
Nas...even did a video mocking Jesus' crucifixion. Id slap him in the mouth if I saw him.
That video wasn't mocking Jesus' crucifixation, you dumbass. And, you wouldn't do shit to Nas if you saw him.
Rakim is also called "The God"... Nas is/was viewed as many as the one to take Rakims place as top MC... so perhaps there's a different meaning there.
Yeah, that's what I heard, that Nas calls himself "God's Son" because he was the heir to Rakim's throne.
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i love how u swear u know all about hip hop....yea im a big master p fan...what about it?....dont mean i dont know whats up...fuck that shit....muthafucker i been listening to hip hop before u knew what hip hop was...i do not limit myself...i bump master p, chino xl, freestyle fellowship, brotha lynch, bootleg, playa fly, abstract rude, saafir, coup...i can go on....so dont talk to me about what an emcee is or not...u refer to nas as an mc...thats what he is an mc...it takes something special to be an emcee....and nas doesnt have it....u want a good emcee?...u listen to Supernatural, Chino XL, Talib Kweli, Pharoahe Monch, Crooked I, Aceyalone, Mikah 9, Rasco(no not Roscoe), Planet Asia, Sly Boogie....those are emcees...and each and every last one of them would eat nas up and spit him back out....so dont even try to tell me i dont know what a good emcee is or not...shit.....
So you know me personally then huh? You know for a fact you knew what hip-hop was before me? I've practically grown up on not only hip-hop but all aspects of urban music, so don't talk to me about limiting myself. I do know hip-hop, thats why i'm here, duh. I won't ever limit myself, I think I have an extensive collection of hip-hop from all coasts and all forms (underground, commercial etc), and out of all the MC's you listed I own a majority of their shit expect for Rasco and Mikah 9. But seriously though, you like Master P yet you don't think Nas is an MC? Thats a fucking joke, you just make yourself come of as a hater. Hip-hop researchers consider Nas as an MC, yet you don't? Hmmm. Just because you think there are better MC's out there doesn't mean that he's not an MC, those are some really stupid statements. But whatever, you have your opinions, we have ours. Lets not dwell on it.
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^^^I cant believe my eyes. Did you just say Nas aint an MC? Did you say Master P is an MC, but Nas isnt?? You've officially lost all credibility..........everyone, dont mind S.G.V......with some of the statements he just made, its impossible to take anything he says seriously from this moment on.
whoa...wait a minute...i didnt p and mc...nto by a long shot...that list of rappers was to prove that i do know what a emcee is and isnt....P, Playa Fly, Bootleg, Lynch and them theyre not emcees...theyre rappers....Chino, Supernat, ab rude and saafir...those are emcees....so before u make a dumb ass comment like that know what was really meant....
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So you know me personally then huh? You know for a fact you knew what hip-hop was before me? I've practically grown up on not only hip-hop but all aspects of urban music, so don't talk to me about limiting myself. I do know hip-hop, thats why i'm here, duh. I won't ever limit myself, I think I have an extensive collection of hip-hop from all coasts and all forms (underground, commercial etc), and out of all the MC's you listed I own a majority of their shit expect for Rasco and Mikah 9. But seriously though, you like Master P yet you don't think Nas is an MC? Thats a fucking joke, you just make yourself come of as a hater. Hip-hop researchers consider Nas as an MC, yet you don't? Hmmm. Just because you think there are better MC's out there doesn't mean that he's not an MC, those are some really stupid statements. But whatever, you have your opinions, we have ours. Lets not dwell on it.
ok so because i like master p and do not think nas is an mc im a hater?....lol...thats plain out stupid....so ur saying anyone in here that likes P doesnt know hip hop?...get over it....if im a hater then i know ur a dick rider...plain and simple...ur fighting ur heart out for nas....silly ass dickriders....and its not that i think theres better emcees out there...I KNOW THERE IS BETTER EMCEES OUT THERE...regardless....i do not consider him an emcee....i dont care who considers him an emcee...
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For example, Planet Asia can rip nas with only 1 line.....
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Everyone just ignore S.G.V. for now on.....
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if being biased towards Nas means i prefer good hip-hop to wack bullshit, then yeah, i guess i am.
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Everyone just ignore S.G.V. for now on.....
see i must have touched on vaild points...cuz now ur all bothered....fuckin buster
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Illmatic changed the art of emceeing like no other album.
Paid In Full did more.
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SGV, you did make a couple points, but to say that NAS is not an MC is hilarious; if u wanna prove how much u know about hiphop, do not repeate that statement. There are many types of mc's, just cuz NAs is not a freestyler does not mean shit. THe fact that u don't see Nas as a good lyricist is also funny; sure NAS has done some seriously weak shit, but some of the shit is incredible. Even when he makes a commercial ass song, he raps about important topics and gets deep.
I got a question? is it cuz Nas is not a punchline rapper like Chino(i admit, one of my favourites) that he is not an mc? Or that he actaully raps about subjects sometimes? Tell me honestly why you think Nas is not an mc, ok? Cuz Rakim was never much of a freestylist either, and he never really battled anyone, yet he is the definitive MC..........let me know what u think, i am not trying to be an asshole, i just want u to clarify what u mean...
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SGV, you did make a couple points, but to say that NAS is not an MC is hilarious; if u wanna prove how much u know about hiphop, do not repeate that statement. There are many types of mc's, just cuz NAs is not a freestyler does not mean shit. THe fact that u don't see Nas as a good lyricist is also funny; sure NAS has done some seriously weak shit, but some of the shit is incredible. Even when he makes a commercial ass song, he raps about important topics and gets deep.
I got a question? is it cuz Nas is not a punchline rapper like Chino(i admit, one of my favourites) that he is not an mc? Or that he actaully raps about subjects sometimes? Tell me honestly why you think Nas is not an mc, ok? Cuz Rakim was never much of a freestylist either, and he never really battled anyone, yet he is the definitive MC..........let me know what u think, i am not trying to be an asshole, i just want u to clarify what u mean...
ok at least u come to me in a civil manner....ur exactly right...i dont think of a rapper as an emcee unless they can freestyle...thats just me...freestyling was the essence of hip hop when it started...they were in the parks just freestyling off the top....a real emcee could just drop a verse on the spot if u ask them to...no hesitation....i mean rakim was tight...but i never really got into him....hes not my definition of an emcee either...theres not one emcee out that i consider a definitive emcee(not even my homie with the same exact moniker)....anyway....nas does come with too much commercial bullshit for me to take him serious...also...it dont make u an emcee if u got shit to talk about...cuz trick daddy has alot to say...but i dont consider him an emcee....trick daddy can bust about the govt, about the streets about many things...so does that make him an emcee?...kam has plenty to say but hes not this super emcee(like people paint nas to be)...theres plenty of rappers who rap about important shit...does that make them all emcees?...no i dont think so....hope that cleared it up for u on why i do not think of nas as an emcee
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S.G.V., It really doesn't bother me to be labelled a 'dickrider', because at the end of the day I know there's method in why i'm such a big fan and I think if anyone is open minded enough to listen then they would understand that. I've read your points and if thats what you believe then so be it, thats your opinion and it's obviously a strong one and I respect that, I don't understand it, lol, but i'll respect it, but then I and everyone else with an opinion should be respected by you aswell, then maybe we won't get so heated when it comes to topics like this. I'm not in competition with you or anyone else here, i'm just here to discuss the music.
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>= link=board=outbound;num=1033510974;start=40#53 date=10/07/02 at 02:29:26]S.G.V., It really doesn't bother me to be labelled a 'dickrider', because at the end of the day I know there's method in why i'm such a big fan and I think if anyone is open minded enough to listen then they would understand that. I've read your points and if thats what you believe then so be it, thats your opinion and it's obviously a strong one and I respect that, I don't understand it, lol, but i'll respect it, but then I and everyone else with an opinion should be respected by you aswell, then maybe we won't get so heated when it comes to topics like this. I'm not in competition with you or anyone else here, i'm just here to discuss the music.
never said i didnt respect u...but yall called me a hater...which is disrespect to me...but whatever...i dont think nas is an emcee..thats me...
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so because Nas doesn't show up on mixtapes with freestyles he's not an MC? or what.. because he sure used to freestyle... he was all over J-love's old joints
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so because Nas doesn't show up on mixtapes with freestyles he's not an MC? or what.. because he sure used to freestyle... he was all over J-love's old joints
Same goes for Rakim, if you think he can't freestyle, you are sadly mistake.
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Same goes for Rakim, if you think he can't freestyle, you are sadly mistake.
Word, Rakim can freestyle like no other!!!
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cuz nas says himself he cant freestyle..he aint an emcee...never heard rakim free...so i cant speak on him
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cuz nas says himself he cant freestyle
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That's bull$#!+.
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JOME JOME:
Why the fuck am i biased towards NAS? Cuz he is one of my favourite rappers, has an incredible amount of dope songs, and when he wants to he can still go back to his ILLMATIC form? Sure, NAs does a lot of dumb shit, but he also has more dope songs than a lot of other people. He doesn't have to rely on gimmicks (Nore- "WHAT WHAT")or yelling all the time (MOP).
Nas is the type off hiphop i like cuz he is actualy a new york rapper who doesn't rely on punchlines or being all grimy and yelling and shit. Sure, his commercial shit usually sucks, but when he drops a cd like LOST TAPES, with no commercial track on it, straight real hiphop, and it sells 90,000 first week with out a video, isn't that pretty good? Cuz everyone knows true shit does not sell anymore............So get this biased shit out of your fucking head, cuz when my favourite artists fuck up like NAs has many times, or Snoop has many times, or Ras KAss with his pathetic commercial tracks, or Xzibit with his new album, i say something. THats not being BIASED, is it JOME?
LoL, clever.. using some of my favs. against me.
I still think you're biased when it comes to Jigga vs. Nas, not counting other artists.
On the topic though:
I don't care if you label Nas as a MC or a rapper, it really don't matter.
But he can't freestyle, that's for sure - even if it seems so, it's all pre-written.
But he still makes some great music now and then, and that's what counts.
I'm kinda sceptical to his new album though.. :-\
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cuz nas says himself he cant freestyle
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That's bull$#!+.
no its not...ur just uninformed....i heard it with my own ears homie...Wake Up Show with Sway N Tech....nas said it himself...."na i dont freestyle...i can write something real quik tho"
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cuz nas says himself he cant freestyle
That's bull$#!+.
no its not...ur just uninformed....i heard it with my own ears homie...Wake Up Show with Sway N Tech....nas said it himself...."na i dont freestyle...i can write something real quik tho"
All right, well, maybe I spoke too soon.
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To be honest I don't think there's many great freestylers out there anymore, and anyone that thinks their fav. MC's haven't spitten something pre-written before are nieve. Even if they've only used half of the pre-written shit and made up the rest that's just as bad. Great freestylers are the ones that can take normal things like a pen, or a cup, things just lying around and make shit up off the top of their heads, you don't see many like that anymore.
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To be honest I don't think there's many great freestylers out there anymore, and anyone that thinks their fav. MC's haven't spitten something pre-written before are nieve. Even if they've only used half of the pre-written shit and made up the rest that's just as bad. Great freestylers are the ones that can take normal things like a pen, or a cup, things just lying around and make shit up off the top of their heads, you don't see many like that anymore.
Supernatural, Ab Rude, Evidence, Irescience, Gift Of Gab, 2Mex...theyre the best at freestylin as far as im concerned...they can bust off the top about anything
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To be honest I don't think there's many great freestylers out there anymore, and anyone that thinks their fav. MC's haven't spitten something pre-written before are nieve. Even if they've only used half of the pre-written shit and made up the rest that's just as bad. Great freestylers are the ones that can take normal things like a pen, or a cup, things just lying around and make shit up off the top of their heads, you don't see many like that anymore.
Supernatural, Ab Rude, Evidence, Irescience, Gift Of Gab, 2Mex...theyre the best at freestylin as far as im concerned...they can bust off the top about anything
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S.G.V., u were so excited about that you had to post it twice, lol ;D
Like I said man, there's very few MC's out there that are able to do that kind of 'off the top of my head' freestyling nowadays, there's less than people seem to think anyways.
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He doesn't have to rely on gimmicks (Nore- "WHAT WHAT")or yelling all the time (MOP).
Thats like sayin Nas is always tired and unable to bring some emotions in his tracks.
M.O.P. got a very own style and their voices are perfect for this style so whats wrong with that?
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He doesn't have to rely on gimmicks (Nore- "WHAT WHAT")or yelling all the time (MOP).
Thats like sayin Nas is always tired and unable to bring some emotions in his tracks.
M.O.P. got a very own style and their voices are perfect for this style so whats wrong with that?
yea, w0rd
Nas sometimes sounds like he's falling asleep some times, much like Snoop (when he is on cameo #300.000) and on the other side MOP is just raw and commited.
Yo Teecee, do you actually mean that M.O.P.s raw ultra-amped style is a gimmick??
If you want to call it screaming, then fine that's on you.
Nobody is forcing you to listen to them.
I like both Nas, Snoop & M.O.P, but they all on some different shit.
I don't put on M.O.P-records when I wanna kick back and listen to some smooth shit.
And Nore got more than "What What".
All rappers have some special trademarks:
Nore: What, what. Undadig, off the helzebub, Slime, etc. special slang.
He got a whole dictionary of street-slang.
M.O.P.: What the fuck, what the fuck huh? Nigga!! Aha. aha. Fiiiiiire!!! First Faaaaamiiilyyyy!!
Just some special trademarks, and this is just "outro trademarks" to the songs, much like Xzibit got the "ghetto bird" and Snoop got the "Biaaaatch!!"
So what? All rappers got it!! Doesn't mean that it's a gimmick.
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S.G.V., u were so excited about that you had to post it twice, lol ;D
Like I said man, there's very few MC's out there that are able to do that kind of 'off the top of my head' freestyling nowadays, there's less than people seem to think anyways.
yes...yes i was...na but its cuz the damn thang take forever and i get impatient so i press the button til it goes
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I suppose most NAS fans(just as myself in the not-so-far past) tend to miss his main weakness, many people are\were trying to define what is it NAS does when he reaches his lowest points, some called it "falling short on trying to create crossover singles"<< (B.S tired- reviewer remark), others said "incosistentcy"<< (too generalizing )etc. NAS's main- most practical problem is in his writing, not as a whole but at one very important criteria without which his tracks will remain unprofesionally critisized....NAS's problem is in lyrical structuring and construction, not in punchlines, not in imagery,neither in topicz he pickz(it never is) and of course not in his truelly amazing vocal skillz, his flawz are mainlly in the process of building and forming his poemz and songs...He simply is having hard time in expressing himself wholisticlly, when his material starts to sound as if it was rapped by a group of people meerly conected one to the other....yea, with time NAS learned how to polish things up and how to make it smoother, how to gimmick it up in nice so called "deep"-package reps that apealed to heads that gladlly recognized all of NASz enormous potensial and existing tallentz...
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S.G.V., according to your definition, i guess Nas is not an MC. However, to say someone is not an MC becasue they don't freestyle all the time is like saying Shaq isn't a basketball player cuz he can't dribble or Stockton isn't a basketball player cuz he can't dunk.
Bottom line, whether you like Nas or not, at least half the time he talks about something. Sure, he doesn't have a ton of emotion or whatever, but he writes songs that say something. All these so-called freestyle artists have a tough time making a good song, as do a lot of battle mc's.
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S.G.V., according to your definition, i guess Nas is not an MC. However, to say someone is not an MC becasue they don't freestyle all the time is like saying Shaq isn't a basketball player cuz he can't dribble or Stockton isn't a basketball player cuz he can't dunk.
Bottom line, whether you like Nas or not, at least half the time he talks about something. Sure, he doesn't have a ton of emotion or whatever, but he writes songs that say something. All these so-called freestyle artists have a tough time making a good song, as do a lot of battle mc's.
i dont agree with the shaq and stockton analogies....basket ball wasnt about dribbling or dunking when it was first invented it was about gettin the ball in the hoop...hip hop was all about freestyling off the top when it was invented....but i think dialated peoples got some coo shit...supernat got good shit...chino got some tight albums....gift of gab does some good shit...and those are some freestyle/battle emcees....if u base it on canibus then of course...but theres plenty of great freestyle emcees that make great music with things to say
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Actually, when HIPHOP was invented, it was about b-boying and sitting with some turntables in the park man (heard of Kool Herc?). THe rapping thing came later.........
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* Notices that Teecee haven't replied to my last post.
Does that mean that I won this one? LoL..
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Damn Jome, i guess i wasn't monitoring your posting for a couple days ;)
Anyway, that ghetto bird xzibit shit is a gimmick btw! It was pretty annoying before Restless dropped when every Xzibit guest spot had that shit at the end........
Oh ya, i don't mind MOP to be honest, i just don't get how anyone could put down Nas and bigup MOP in the same sentence..........obviously, we like rap for different reasons. I listen for entertainemnt value, but i also appreciate when an artist like Nas or Guru or CL drops a rhyme that means something.......i Like MOP man, Premo always gives them some nice joints and they have some wicked songs that i have been addicted to at times to be honest. I just think over a whole album, they bore the hell out off me because they don't say shit....
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Actually, when HIPHOP was invented, it was about b-boying and sitting with some turntables in the park man (heard of Kool Herc?). THe rapping thing came later.........
ill give u that one...i should then say...emceeing/rapping started off as freestyling...thats emceeing to me
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Oh ya, i don't mind MOP to be honest, i just don't get how anyone could put down Nas and bigup MOP in the same sentence..........obviously, we like rap for different reasons.
I don't know what u tryin to say with that but I don't listen to HipHop just to hear some shit and don't give a fuck about lyrics.
I'm a huge MOP fan cuz I love their style and style is very important to me which doesn't mean lyrics ain't and I never said Nas was wack or shit I like Nas to I was just givin an example for a total different style and how u could critisize this style just like u can critisize MOP's style.