West Coast Connection Forum
DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: jeromechickenbone on May 17, 2008, 04:25:16 PM
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http://youtube.com/v/ly6nDVXc754
He's really tarnished his legacy in the last several years. His verse on here is ferocious.
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Minus Master P, I fuckin' love every aspect to this track.Erick Sermon came up with an insane beat, and the visuals during Red, Meth, LL and DMXs verses are so sick.Whole damn video is ill as hell for that matter
I've seen people label LL's verse here weak and I've always laughed at them.He straight murders it, but I just like Red and Meth's verses better
props Jrome
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Everybody bar Master P destroyed that beat. That is possibly one of the best group cuts ever. My fav verse is Canibus then probably DMX, then Redman, then LL and Meth was hot on it too.
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Well hopefully he will be returning to that 4321 flow than continuing with the "Love Song" formula
LL Cool J - Rider Part 2 I think off a DJ Kay Slay tape or radio show.
http://www.zshare.net/audio/1177781245a5a140/
I'm not sure where the beat is from, but Lil Kim, G-Unit & Papoose have done a mixtape track over that same beat too
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You guys are crazy - LL had already fallen off hard by this point. You ant to hear him spit for real, listen to him between 1984 and 1993.
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Dope posse cut
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Well hopefully he will be returning to that 4321 flow than continuing with the "Love Song" formula
LL Cool J - Rider Part 2 I think off a DJ Kay Slay tape or radio show.
http://www.zshare.net/audio/1177781245a5a140/
I'm not sure where the beat is from, but Lil Kim, G-Unit & Papoose have done a mixtape track over that same beat too
40 glocc - where them hammers at was the original track but g-unit bought the track off 40 and turned it into 'rider' or rider part 2 iunno.
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You guys are crazy - LL had already fallen off hard by this point. You ant to hear him spit for real, listen to him between 1984 and 1993.
You mean like this.....
http://www.zshare.net/audio/2231199d01e0ed/
Thanks for this info aswell sniperuk
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You guys are crazy - LL had already fallen off hard by this point. You ant to hear him spit for real, listen to him between 1984 and 1993.
If you wanna get specific, "Radio" and "Bigger and Deffer" were overall great albums (however B&D saw the birth of LL's love songs w/ "I Need Love"). He began getting overly poppy w/ "Walking Like a Panther". On the Marley Marl remix of "Jingling Baby", if you really pay attention to LL's lyrics and flows you'll swear to god that Big Daddy Kane wrote that shit, flowed that shit, and then let LL come in and re-record it. That song is 90% Juice Crew / 10% LL.
Mama Said Knock You Out truly was a comeback for him regardless of his opening line on that joint. After that, LL was still successful but commercial - but he did have a lot of cats copying his style. But his shit got way too formulaic and unoriginal.
The Canibus beef (which was sparked when this song was recorded) brought LL back to spittin with some fury on a single for a change.
So to break it down, give me LL from 85-88, 1990/91, and briefly in 1997/98.
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LL was able to do a street song and a song for the ladies. He just over time is getting away from it. I Shot Ya and Forget About It were dope posse cuts also. The verse he spit on Meth & Red's album was pure fire too. He can still bring it at times, he just does not do it as often.
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damn I haven't heard this song in a minute, this used to be my shit
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I dont remember Master p and canibus being in this song...
Wasent LL dissing Canibus in this song?
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I dont remember Master p and canibus being in this song...
Wasent LL dissing Canibus in this song?
yeah, the original version has Canibus verse saying something like "Yo L let me borrow that mic tattoo off your arm" or some shit, and L took offense to it, so his verse, which is still in this version, was a diss to Canibus
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I dont remember Master p and canibus being in this song...
Wasent LL dissing Canibus in this song?
Yeah Canibus had a line about borrowing the mic that is tatted on LL's arm. LL took that as disrespect and proceeded to use his verse as response. LL ended Canibus' career before it started.
Canibus response to the 4321 verse - "2nd Round KO"
http://youtube.com/v/zYrIXlqrtWk
LL's response to 2RKO - "Ripper Strikes Back"
http://youtube.com/v/cBYJ0QhIPEw
LL dropped one more joint goin at 'Bus - "Back Where I Belong"
http://youtube.com/v/bpeMpsNwG0I
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There's one thing I never understood about the beef. Not only did Canibus had to change his verse but LL also dissed him in the same song. But how come Canibus is still in the video, didn't he hear the obvious diss from LL ? Unless LL played him dirty.
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There's one thing I never understood about the beef. Not only did Canibus had to change his verse but LL also dissed him in the same song. But how come Canibus is still in the video, didn't he hear the obvious diss from LL ? Unless LL played him dirty.
Canibus was asked to remove his line, but LL left his in because he thought that no one would learn that it was aimed towards Canibus. But then LL said people like Trackmasters & Chris Lighty ran their mouth all over NY about the line and hyping it as beef.
LL then suggested said that they should do an underground track together, but then Canibus dissed him on 2nd Round Knockout.
This should clear it up - Leaked telephone conversation between LL and Canibus regarding the beef and verse.
http://www.youtube.com/v/CgDgsm-fRZw
Also here is a miniclip from the Beef II DVD which talks about
Here is the a mini Clip of the beef on Beef II video
http://youtube.com/watch?v=kmW447Lhvnk
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Thanks for clearing that up. Gonna listen to that phono convo, never heard that before, should be funny :D
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You guys are crazy - LL had already fallen off hard by this point. You ant to hear him spit for real, listen to him between 1984 and 1993.
If you wanna get specific, "Radio" and "Bigger and Deffer" were overall great albums (however B&D saw the birth of LL's love songs w/ "I Need Love"). He began getting overly poppy w/ "Walking Like a Panther". On the Marley Marl remix of "Jingling Baby", if you really pay attention to LL's lyrics and flows you'll swear to god that Big Daddy Kane wrote that shit, flowed that shit, and then let LL come in and re-record it. That song is 90% Juice Crew / 10% LL.
Mama Said Knock You Out truly was a comeback for him regardless of his opening line on that joint. After that, LL was still successful but commercial - but he did have a lot of cats copying his style. But his shit got way too formulaic and unoriginal.
The Canibus beef (which was sparked when this song was recorded) brought LL back to spittin with some fury on a single for a change.
So to break it down, give me LL from 85-88, 1990/91, and briefly in 1997/98.
Hold up " HEADSPRUNG" , "LUV U BETTER" , Were both big HITS and they were made after 2000 , so how is he not still relevant come on man THATS UNCLE LL HOMEBOY !!!!!!! THE G.O.A.T - DONT 8) GET ME STARTED ON LL . 8) 8)
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Hold up " HEADSPRUNG" , "LUV U BETTER" , Were both big HITS and they were made after 2000 , so how is he not still relevant come on man THATS UNCLE LL HOMEBOY !!!!!!! THE G.O.A.T - DONT 8) GET ME STARTED ON LL . 8) 8)
Mama Said Knock You Out truly was a comeback for him regardless of his opening line on that joint. After that, LL was still successful but commercial - but he did have a lot of cats copying his style. But his shit got way too formulaic and unoriginal.
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There's one thing I never understood about the beef. Not only did Canibus had to change his verse but LL also dissed him in the same song. But how come Canibus is still in the video, didn't he hear the obvious diss from LL ? Unless LL played him dirty.
Canibus isn't in the video, and yeah... LL left his because he thought that nobody would know who he was talking about
the Beef II movie explains this entire thing pretty well
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There's one thing I never understood about the beef. Not only did Canibus had to change his verse but LL also dissed him in the same song. But how come Canibus is still in the video, didn't he hear the obvious diss from LL ? Unless LL played him dirty.
Canibus isn't in the video, and yeah... LL left his because he thought that nobody would know who he was talking about
the Beef II movie explains this entire thing pretty well
Nah he is in the video, he's 1:30 in the video, in the first post. Thats him right??? I guess its probably added after the initial shooting?
Its interesting that the beef with Eminem stemmed from the beef with LL as he thought Eminem ghostwrote for LL on the Ripper strikes back track.
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That Ripper Strikes Back song is NO JOKE.
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Nothing better than a hungry L.L.
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I had the opportunity to see LL live. He puts on a great live show.
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ok wtf, I used to have this video like 2 years ago when I got it off Limewire, and mine did not have Canibus' part in the video, so I assumed this whole time that he wasn't in the video, this is my first time seeing this version with him rapping in it... lol wow 8)
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Great thread...brings back nice memories, I remember the whole incident, hip-hop had started to decline a little by 98... but events like this prove it was still a million times better than it is today.
Does anybody have the origional Canibus verse? And people were saying they don't remember Canibus in the video but for some reason I did.
There's one thing I never understood about the beef. Not only did Canibus had to change his verse but LL also dissed him in the same song. But how come Canibus is still in the video, didn't he hear the obvious diss from LL ? Unless LL played him dirty.
Canibus was asked to remove his line, but LL left his in because he thought that no one would learn that it was aimed towards Canibus. But then LL said people like Trackmasters & Chris Lighty ran their mouth all over NY about the line and hyping it as beef.
LL then suggested said that they should do an underground track together, but then Canibus dissed him on 2nd Round Knockout.
This should clear it up - Leaked telephone conversation between LL and Canibus regarding the beef and verse.
http://www.youtube.com/v/CgDgsm-fRZw
Also here is a miniclip from the Beef II DVD which talks about
Here is the a mini Clip of the beef on Beef II video
http://youtube.com/watch?v=kmW447Lhvnk
That phone conversation was ill... props for posting. Before I had thought it was all kind of a publicity stunt. Because it set up Canibus' whole album with "Second Round Knockout" which is a classic diss track, one of the best ever. And, the whole incident earned LL some street cred as an emcee he was able to re-establish some of his credibility with the new generation coming up. So they both benefited, so I thought that it was all a publicity stunt, but that phone conversation shows it was more real than that.
And there was a rumor about Eminem writing LL's verse for that song, which is possible cause Dre and LL were working on "Zoom" around that time and Em was just coming to Aftermath around that time.... but I still don't believe it.. can anyone confirm whether he did or didn't? It doesn't sound like something Em would write.
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there have been quite a few versions floating around with extended lyrics from LL and Canibus, probably before the song was finalised. Different beat too.
Here is the version with lyrics Canibus mentioning LL's arm.
http://www.youtube.com/v/KaZEsqyoeZ0
No Eminem did not write the verse, here is an interview talking about the whole situation and what happened with Canibus
http://www.youtube.com/v/F73icIpOTTM
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HOLY FUCK that Can-I-Bus track is insane. I've never heard LL rap like that before. Hard as fuck, he killed Canibus