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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: GangstaBoogy on May 28, 2008, 05:10:03 PM
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Via ESPN Radio. Mark Cuban was discussing the possible Kobe/Dirk trade from last summer. Dude took another huge L.
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It's not that simple. Just because Kobe is the better player it doesn't necessarily make the team better. Especially when it's SG for PF, when PFs are more valuable. There would have been a big hole in the frontcourt, with an overloaded backcourt. Also, there was the chance of the Lakers getting really desperate (imagine Bynum flopping and no Gasol trade, hell, even no Ariza trade) ... in that case the Lakers might have agreed to something like Kobe for Howard and Terry... that could have made the Mavs ridiculously good.
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It's not that simple. Just because Kobe is the better player it doesn't necessarily make the team better. Especially when it's SG for PF, when PFs are more valuable. There would have been a big hole in the frontcourt, with an overloaded backcourt. Also, there was the chance of the Lakers getting really desperate (imagine Bynum flopping and no Gasol trade, hell, even no Ariza trade) ... in that case the Lakers might have agreed to something like Kobe for Howard and Terry... that could have made the Mavs ridiculously good.
Better then the Kidd trade. :P
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Fuck all that positions shiet - he had a chance to get Kobe! Had the trade gone down the Mavs would've looked somethin like...
Erick Dampier
Brandon Bass
Josh Howard
Kobe Bryant
Devin Harris
^ thats damn sure not a 1st round exit.
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Via ESPN Radio. Mark Cuban was discussing the possible Kobe/Dirk trade from last summer. Dude took another huge L.
while yes, Mark was stupid for saying no beacuse Kobe is a better player, I can see why he wouldn't do that
Dirk and Cuban are very close friends, as are Cuban and Shaq (another guy Cuban wouldn't trade Dirk for). Who knows how Kobe and Cuban would get along.
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Mark Cuban is insane.
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Sometimes you make moves based on a players talent/potential over your needs. Ask the Blazers about that and the 1984 draft
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Sometimes you make moves based on a players talent/potential over your needs. Ask the Blazers about that and the 1984 draft
Yes but they had Clyde Drexler. And its not like Jordan was in his prime.
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Sometimes you make moves based on a players talent/potential over your needs. Ask the Blazers about that and the 1984 draft
Yes but they had Clyde Drexler. And its not like Jordan was in his prime.
Exactly. Nobody knew Jordan was gonna be Jordan and at the time Bowie was projected to be at least as good as Olajuwon. Funny how nobody questions Houston for passing on Jordan. These are two totally different situations. you know what you're gonna get from both players at an NBA level when you're talking about Dirk and Kobe. If the Lakers offer you Kobe for Dirk you don't pass that up unless you're emotionally attached to Dirk somehow. Mark Cuban is insane. Nevermind that he traded his pg of the future away for a 2-3 year rental of Kidd.
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Sometimes you make moves based on a players talent/potential over your needs. Ask the Blazers about that and the 1984 draft
Yes but they had Clyde Drexler. And its not like Jordan was in his prime.
Exactly. Nobody knew Jordan was gonna be Jordan and at the time Bowie was projected to be at least as good as Olajuwon. Funny how nobody questions Houston for passing on Jordan. These are two totally different situations. you know what you're gonna get from both players at an NBA level when you're talking about Dirk and Kobe. If the Lakers offer you Kobe for Dirk you don't pass that up unless you're emotionally attached to Dirk somehow. Mark Cuban is insane. Nevermind that he traded his pg of the future away for a 2-3 year rental of Kidd.
Well Houston did go on to win 2 championships with Hakeem so...
But other than that I agree.
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Sometimes you make moves based on a players talent/potential over your needs. Ask the Blazers about that and the 1984 draft
Yes but they had Clyde Drexler. And its not like Jordan was in his prime.
Exactly. Nobody knew Jordan was gonna be Jordan and at the time Bowie was projected to be at least as good as Olajuwon. Funny how nobody questions Houston for passing on Jordan. These are two totally different situations. you know what you're gonna get from both players at an NBA level when you're talking about Dirk and Kobe. If the Lakers offer you Kobe for Dirk you don't pass that up unless you're emotionally attached to Dirk somehow. Mark Cuban is insane. Nevermind that he traded his pg of the future away for a 2-3 year rental of Kidd.
Well Houston did go on to win 2 championships with Hakeem so...
But other than that I agree.
2<6. The point is that if anybody knew Jordan would be Jordan, he would have been the first pick easily. Everybody already knows where Dirk and Kobe stand and Kobe is clearly better. Once again, mark Cuban is crazy. lol
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Isn't it pretty much obvious that these soft Euro's are better suited as a 2 option? If I'm the Lakers, I never even contemplate this deal.
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We all knew Cuban was an idiot but DAMN
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*waits for NIK to come in here pissed off that the trigger wasn't pulled because he thinks Dirk is better than Kobe*
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LOL, Cuban trying to break the Lakers stirde by coming out with a "Phil Jacksonesqe"
perfectly timed comment, right before an important game... ;)
Nice try Cuban.
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Fuck all that positions shiet - he had a chance to get Kobe! Had the trade gone down the Mavs would've looked somethin like...
Erick Dampier
Brandon Bass
Josh Howard
Kobe Bryant
Devin Harris
^ thats damn sure not a 1st round exit.
Your point? The Mavs' goal has never been to just make it to the 2nd round. Just because they haven't even managed that it doesn't mean that they would've been happy with a non-championship-squad, bitch.
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Mark Cuban is insane.
lol u know!!!
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It's not that simple. Just because Kobe is the better player it doesn't necessarily make the team better. Especially when it's SG for PF, when PFs are more valuable. There would have been a big hole in the frontcourt, with an overloaded backcourt. Also, there was the chance of the Lakers getting really desperate (imagine Bynum flopping and no Gasol trade, hell, even no Ariza trade) ... in that case the Lakers might have agreed to something like Kobe for Howard and Terry... that could have made the Mavs ridiculously good.
You're lying your ass if you say you're not mad.
LMFAO
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Fuck all that positions shiet - he had a chance to get Kobe! Had the trade gone down the Mavs would've looked somethin like...
Erick Dampier
Brandon Bass
Josh Howard
Kobe Bryant
Devin Harris
^ thats damn sure not a 1st round exit.
Your point? The Mavs' goal has never been to just make it to the 2nd round. Just because they haven't even managed that it doesn't mean that they would've been happy with a non-championship-squad, bitch.
You get Kobe on your team, and best believe your city is attracting some major buzz/free agents/etc. Mark Cuban must be the dumbest guy in the world if this holds any truth. Seriously. This is worse than if the Pistons woulda' passed up on a Laimbeer-for-Jordan trade in the 80s...LOL.
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in the end, it comes down to who's still playing.
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Fuck all that positions shiet - he had a chance to get Kobe! Had the trade gone down the Mavs would've looked somethin like...
Erick Dampier
Brandon Bass
Josh Howard
Kobe Bryant
Devin Harris
^ thats damn sure not a 1st round exit.
Your point? The Mavs' goal has never been to just make it to the 2nd round. Just because they haven't even managed that it doesn't mean that they would've been happy with a non-championship-squad, bitch.
Nigga ya'll lost in the first round 2 years in a row! Ya'll made history...first #1 seed to lose to a #8 seed in a 7 game series. Then ya'll come back next year as the #7 seed and lose to an inexperienced #2 seed. Ya'll gave away a talented young point guard (who would've been a big help against CP3) for 34 year old Jason Kidd. And now the guy who people were saying is better than Dirk admits to being a weed head and could possible end up traded.
At this point I'd think you'd be thrilled to make it to the 2nd round. Doesn't bother me, I'm glad Cuban said no cuz Kobe probably would've signed off to that deal. Now the Mavs are done and we managed to get Kobe all the help he needs. Let Cuban keep holding on to his players friends.
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Thank you mr. Cuban.
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Fuck all that positions shiet - he had a chance to get Kobe! Had the trade gone down the Mavs would've looked somethin like...
Erick Dampier
Brandon Bass
Josh Howard
Kobe Bryant
Devin Harris
^ thats damn sure not a 1st round exit.
Your point? The Mavs' goal has never been to just make it to the 2nd round. Just because they haven't even managed that it doesn't mean that they would've been happy with a non-championship-squad, bitch.
Nigga ya'll lost in the first round 2 years in a row! Ya'll made history...first #1 seed to lose to a #8 seed in a 7 game series. Then ya'll come back next year as the #7 seed and lose to an inexperienced #2 seed. Ya'll gave away a talented young point guard (who would've been a big help against CP3) for 34 year old Jason Kidd. And now the guy who people were saying is better than Dirk admits to being a weed head and could possible end up traded.
At this point I'd think you'd be thrilled to make it to the 2nd round. Doesn't bother me, I'm glad Cuban said no cuz Kobe probably would've signed off to that deal. Now the Mavs are done and we managed to get Kobe all the help he needs. Let Cuban keep holding on to his players friends.
You act as if anybody knew what would happen later on in the season. Back then, nobody knew any of this. Still, in the end Cuban is emotionally attached to Dirk and he will keep him in Dallas for as long as possible. In fact he will probably sell the Mavs when Dirk leaves/retires.
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ted williams and joe dimaggio were almost traded for eachother in 1948 and 1949
never happened, so who gives a sheet
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Fuck all that positions shiet - he had a chance to get Kobe! Had the trade gone down the Mavs would've looked somethin like...
Erick Dampier
Brandon Bass
Josh Howard
Kobe Bryant
Devin Harris
^ thats damn sure not a 1st round exit.
Your point? The Mavs' goal has never been to just make it to the 2nd round. Just because they haven't even managed that it doesn't mean that they would've been happy with a non-championship-squad, bitch.
Nigga ya'll lost in the first round 2 years in a row! Ya'll made history...first #1 seed to lose to a #8 seed in a 7 game series. Then ya'll come back next year as the #7 seed and lose to an inexperienced #2 seed. Ya'll gave away a talented young point guard (who would've been a big help against CP3) for 34 year old Jason Kidd. And now the guy who people were saying is better than Dirk admits to being a weed head and could possible end up traded.
At this point I'd think you'd be thrilled to make it to the 2nd round. Doesn't bother me, I'm glad Cuban said no cuz Kobe probably would've signed off to that deal. Now the Mavs are done and we managed to get Kobe all the help he needs. Let Cuban keep holding on to his players friends.
You act as if anybody knew what would happen later on in the season. Back then, nobody knew any of this. Still, in the end Cuban is emotionally attached to Dirk and he will keep him in Dallas for as long as possible. In fact he will probably sell the Mavs when Dirk leaves/retires.
LOL I dont give a fuck how attached you are to a certain player. When your team is in "win now" mode and you have a chance to get the guy who is widely considered to be the best player in the NBA IN HIS PRIME, you blow Dirk a kiss and tell him not to let the door hit him on the ass. LOL what the fuck. There is nothing you can say to rationalize passing on a Kobe for Dirk deal.
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Kobe woulda' vetoed the trade, regardless...His heart was in LA all along. The Lakers is the team he wanted to retire with...he said it in the beginning, and he stuck by that all the way through.
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^^^LOL sure it was. He was only kidding about the trade demands that he backed away from once he found out that any trade for him would result in him being traded to a gutted roster.
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^ yeah except Dallas. They would've still had Howard, Harris, Terry, Stackhouse, Dampier, Jones, Diop. I like the loyalty that Mark Cuban showed to Dirk. Thats an excellent quality in a friend, but a horrible quality in a gm.
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^^^LOL sure it was. He was only kidding about the trade demands that he backed away from once he found out that any trade for him would result in him being traded to a gutted roster.
Actually, Kobe said he prefered to stay in LA and retire as a Laker even when he asked to be traded. He never backed away from what he said, even as of now...that's because he never truly wanted to be traded in the first place, he thought our FO was a joke and he wanted to play on a contending team...it was all his way of building the Lakers and getting them to that contender mindset. Bynum, Mitch, Buss, everyone. If you're not worthy to put on a Laker jersey, get the fuck out. Kobe loves LA, he loves the Lakers, and this is where he wanted to play his career out...I knew this would be the result, back when everyone was like "fuck Kobe!"...Great players do what Kobe did. It's been like that throughout history...PeACe
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Employers constantly light fires under the asses of their employees..... Kobe just reversed it.
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If that's true, then that's just horrible. But nobody knows how it would have played out and how everything would have meshed, and I'm glad that it didn't, because it would have been weird to see Kobe in a Mavs jersey and Dirk with the Lakers. No matter how good Nowitzki has played and the MVP award he got, I don't see how you could seriously pass up the best player in the game, straight up.
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I think Kobe wasn't bluffing, but he also knew realistically that his best title chance was with LA, so he was going to be a Laker. I see Kobe like Jerry West, or Magic Johnson, or James Worthy, there is no way in the world he should ever wear another teams uniform. I don't care if he gets old. Shaq was Shaq, and he wanted to leave instead of letting Kobe be the number 1, but Kobe should always wear purple and gold. His defined by the teams Hollywood image, and the teams desire to have as many big stars as possible. Kobe in a great team like the Pistons or the Mavs would be weird, because neither fit his image. The only team that would fit Kobe is the New York Knicks, and maybe the Chicago Bulls, but the Bulls have no image outside Jordan.
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i personally think cuban is lying his ass off..i dont understand the reasoning though...no one takes him serious as it is....
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^^^LOL sure it was. He was only kidding about the trade demands that he backed away from once he found out that any trade for him would result in him being traded to a gutted roster.
Actually, Kobe said he prefered to stay in LA and retire as a Laker even when he asked to be traded. He never backed away from what he said, even as of now...that's because he never truly wanted to be traded in the first place, he thought our FO was a joke and he wanted to play on a contending team...it was all his way of building the Lakers and getting them to that contender mindset. Bynum, Mitch, Buss, everyone. If you're not worthy to put on a Laker jersey, get the fuck out. Kobe loves LA, he loves the Lakers, and this is where he wanted to play his career out...I knew this would be the result, back when everyone was like "fuck Kobe!"...Great players do what Kobe did. It's been like that throughout history...PeACe
Did you see the interview clip with Stephen A. Smith yesterday?
SAS: How serious were you about your trade demends
Kobe: I was dead serious. Serious as a heart attack
SAS: You would've walked away from all this?
Kobe: Yeah, I didn't have a choice.
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Right now, I wouldn't even trade Pau for Dirk...LOL
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^^^LOL sure it was. He was only kidding about the trade demands that he backed away from once he found out that any trade for him would result in him being traded to a gutted roster.
Actually, Kobe said he prefered to stay in LA and retire as a Laker even when he asked to be traded. He never backed away from what he said, even as of now...that's because he never truly wanted to be traded in the first place, he thought our FO was a joke and he wanted to play on a contending team...it was all his way of building the Lakers and getting them to that contender mindset. Bynum, Mitch, Buss, everyone. If you're not worthy to put on a Laker jersey, get the fuck out. Kobe loves LA, he loves the Lakers, and this is where he wanted to play his career out...I knew this would be the result, back when everyone was like "fuck Kobe!"...Great players do what Kobe did. It's been like that throughout history...PeACe
Did you see the interview clip with Stephen A. Smith yesterday?
SAS: How serious were you about your trade demends
Kobe: I was dead serious. Serious as a heart attack
SAS: You would've walked away from all this?
Kobe: Yeah, I didn't have a choice.
Yea...He definitely woulda walked away if Mitch woulda decided that he wanted to sit on his ass and keep the Lakers in rebuild mode. That's why he said "do something, and do something quick". His ultimate goal was to play for the Lakers as contenders, and that's what he got...PeACe
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Right now, I wouldn't even trade Pau for Dirk...LOL
I'd do a Dirk for Mdenga swap.... we might just break even on that one. 8)
P.S. - to the slow, I'm only kidding....
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why is he so high on Dirk? great player and all, but c'mon
I've usually seen nothing but bricks when it comes to him in a clutch situation
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Right now, I wouldn't even trade Pau for Dirk...LOL
what for? dirk is a homo. why would you want steve nash's ex butt buddy on your team?
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Right now, I wouldn't even trade Pau for Dirk...LOL
what for? dirk is a homo. why would you want steve nash's ex butt buddy on your team?
you're a bitch, when it's time for beef all you gon do is hide behind an injured oden on a pick-up game court
for the record, gasol cries all the time, literally.. whenever he made a shot or didn't get a foul called on him after a missed one, he has teary eyes while running back on defense.. crazy shit.
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Right now, I wouldn't even trade Pau for Dirk...LOL
what for? dirk is a homo. why would you want steve nash's ex butt buddy on your team?
you're a bitch, when it's time for beef all you gon do is hide behind an injured oden on a pick-up game court
for the record, gasol cries all the time, literally.. whenever he made a shot or didn't get a foul called on him after a missed one, he has teary eyes while running back on defense.. crazy shit.
I guess we know who Drik left nash for now. Put the pom poms down and wipe the nut off your lips you ol dick in the booty ass nigga.
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^Is it your strategy to say something extra-lame, so I wouldn't feel interested in saying something back? If so, you did a good job.
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^Is it your strategy to say something extra-lame, so I wouldn't feel interested in saying something back? If so, you did a good job.
really? then where did this quote come from? quit gettin your feelings hurt. you shot a lug at me and i shot one back. get the fuck over it.
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^Is it your strategy to say something extra-lame, so I wouldn't feel interested in saying something back? If so, you did a good job.
really? then where did this quote come from? quit gettin your feelings hurt. you shot a lug at me and i shot one back. get the fuck over it.
This quote came from me preventing you from succeeding. You're not serious about me having my feelings hurt, are ya? Anyways, I'm walking away from this, ain't no fun. Feel free to have the last word.
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^Is it your strategy to say something extra-lame, so I wouldn't feel interested in saying something back? If so, you did a good job.
really? then where did this quote come from? quit gettin your feelings hurt. you shot a lug at me and i shot one back. get the fuck over it.
This quote came from me preventing you from succeeding. You're not serious about me having my feelings hurt, are ya? Anyways, I'm walking away from this, ain't no fun. Feel free to have the last word.
Actually I am. I said something about your lover Dirk and you were offended enough to call me a bitch. LMAO emotional hurt feelings female shit right there.
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for the record, gasol cries all the time, literally..
Mark Cuban owns your team.