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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: D-Stress on June 30, 2008, 01:30:30 PM
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Why Suge Doesnīt Release The Material He Has?Why Would It Be A BAD BIZNESS-MOVE?I Think He Would Make Money, Because He Has Some Classics Under His Pillow.
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Because he is not allowed to do so.
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didn't most of the artists take the rights with them? like i think dre gets money made from the chronic and pac's sales goes to his mum and stuff like that
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I'm pretty sure that everything he had from the Death Row era was sold off in his bankruptcy auction. He can't market and release music that he no longer has the rights to. His new label is Black Ball Records (I think that's the name) and it's my understanding that it's a fresh start for him.
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^^ i dont think "black ball rec." gon bring out something.all bark, no bite, remember the reality show?wheres that shit?NOWHERE.
but suge could release old DR material indepedently!
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I'm pretty sure that everything he had from the Death Row era was sold off in his bankruptcy auction. He can't market and release music that he no longer has the rights to. His new label is Black Ball Records (I think that's the name) and it's my understanding that it's a fresh start for him.
Black Ball Records' first release is a coming soon poster. :-\
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suge could release old DR material indepedently!
How? If he doesn't legally own it, he can't put it out. All of Death Row's assests (including their masters) were sold in the bankruptcy auction.
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Aint no way in the world the industry gonna ever let suge release 1 succesful record on black ball records. He will be blackballed for the rest of his life in the music industry.
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well lets see
death row was part of releasing still i rise, until the end of time, better dayz, dead man walking
i'd say he released a decent amount of what he could
we all know Daz stole most of the DPG masters
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suge should boot all this shit.
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im talkin about stuff like redrum,bloody mary,young soldierz,oftb,paradise,sam sneed,etc.shit.
why he cant do it?how can FTP do it along with some dudes that have rare stuff leak it but suge cant do shit?
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Aint no way in the world the industry gonna ever let suge release 1 succesful record on black ball records. He will be blackballed for the rest of his life in the music industry.
True... same story when he got out in 2001.
im talkin about stuff like redrum,bloody mary,young soldierz,oftb,paradise,sam sneed,etc.shit.
why he cant do it?how can FTP do it along with some dudes that have rare stuff leak it but suge cant do shit?
You really think Suge cares about any of that stuff?
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Yo don't give up, do you?
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Aint no way in the world the industry gonna ever let suge release 1 succesful record on black ball records. He will be blackballed for the rest of his life in the music industry.
True... same story when he got out in 2001.
im talkin about stuff like redrum,bloody mary,young soldierz,oftb,paradise,sam sneed,etc.shit.
why he cant do it?how can FTP do it along with some dudes that have rare stuff leak it but suge cant do shit?
You really think Suge cares about any of that stuff?
i dont know but i know that people care about money, so all the classic material could bring him money.
I canīt believe the worst piece off shit in Hip Hop history still gets attention.
Canīt somebody kill Suge so we can rest in peace?
i dont care about suge, all i care about it unreleased death row meterial ;)
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im talkin about stuff like redrum,bloody mary,young soldierz,oftb,paradise,sam sneed,etc.shit.
why he cant do it?how can FTP do it along with some dudes that have rare stuff leak it but suge cant do shit?
Thre woud be no point in wasting money having that stuff mastered and pressed into CDs. It'd probably cost them more money then they would get back. There's no one checking for that music anymore other than a few internet heads and collectors.
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Thre woud be no point in wasting money having that stuff mastered and pressed into CDs. It'd probably cost them more money then they would get back. There's no one checking for that music anymore other than a few internet heads and collectors.
Pretty much. And even the handful of internet freaks are slowly but surely dissapearing.
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And now you want to buy some half assed material that even Suge is ashamed off?
youīre tellin me that hes aint releasing it because hes ashamed off it?
so yall are tellin me that the material thats left in the vaults is WACK? ???
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And now you want to buy some half assed material that even Suge is ashamed off?
youīre tellin me that hes aint releasing it because hes ashamed off it?
so yall are tellin me that the material thats left in the vaults is WACK? ???
Most of it yeah. That's why there's 10,000 un-mastered/un-mixed songs. Lol.
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And now you want to buy some half assed material that even Suge is ashamed off?
youīre tellin me that hes aint releasing it because hes ashamed off it?
so yall are tellin me that the material thats left in the vaults is WACK? ???
Most of it yeah. That's why there's 10,000 un-mastered/un-mixed songs. Lol.
nah man. most of it is the shizz, beats anythn put out these days fo sho
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And now you want to buy some half assed material that even Suge is ashamed off?
youīre tellin me that hes aint releasing it because hes ashamed off it?
so yall are tellin me that the material thats left in the vaults is WACK? ???
Most of it yeah. That's why there's 10,000 un-mastered/un-mixed songs. Lol.
nah man. most of it is the shizz, beats anythn put out these days fo sho
Honestly, compared to some Death Row stuff I would honestly rather listen to Soulja Boy.
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^^ honestly, kilo, i would expect that kinda comments from you :)
Unreleased Bloody Mary,Redrum,Sam Sneed,street scholars album, drauma album,
songs from inside out compilation,death row and cash money collabo-tracks,etc.
you would ratha listen to soulja boy than this? ^^ :o
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^^ honestly, kilo, i would expect that kinda comments from you :)
Unreleased Bloody Mary,Redrum,Sam Sneed,etc.
songs from inside out compilation
wouldnt you want to hear it?is it wack?
"i would rob suge knight for his unreleased stuff" comments came from too many people.
That stuff is good regarding the Sneed and Inside Out shit. That was stuff that was actually mastered. The other stuff well not so much. Lol.
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^^ is it means you would ratha listen to soulja boy then Unreleased Bloody Mary,Redrum,Sam Sneed,street scholars album, drauma album,
songs from inside out compilation,death row and cash money collabo-tracks,etc.
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You didn't read what I wrote. 8)
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Sometimes... NOT ALWAYS, but sometimes there's a reason why you never heard any of the unreleased stuff. Sometimes the music just isn't up to par. That doesn't mean all of it though.
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Plus the production and subject matter would be out of date. It would take true hip hop heads to enjoy it, and they probably would lose money if the didn't sell it only online. You can update the production to the old vocals but it never really sounds good atleast to me.
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I think Suge doesn't have the rights to release them.
I'm sure Snoop, Daz, etc. wouldn't want Suge profiting off their shit.
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Sometimes... NOT ALWAYS, but sometimes there's a reason why you never heard any of the unreleased stuff. Sometimes the music just isn't up to par. That doesn't mean all of it though.
yeah
rare cases = 2pac leftovers compared to the shit remixes; Snoop songs left off Doggystyle (It's On, next episode, doggystyle with george clinton)
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Why
http://www.youtube.com/v/nerOeUA3GHI
:sshh:
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Plus the production and subject matter would be out of date. It would take true hip hop heads to enjoy it, and they probably would lose money if the didn't sell it only online. You can update the production to the old vocals but it never really sounds good atleast to me.
thats what they do and i hate it.its remixing, you cant remake classic!
DR had whole albums unreleased.i would like to hear it, yall dont?
then why yall goin crazy over danny boy unreleased 96 album?not to mention, street scholars, redrum, NINA, bloody mary,heltah skeltah, cashmoney-collabo album, etc.
tha realest mentioned in an interview a song with cash money guys and it goes like:
"cash money and death row, realest ni**az in down south and tha west coast".
now tell me that you dont want to hear these typ of stuff i mentioned
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youīre jokin right? ::) if not, then tell me why you want to hear that stuff.
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Plus the production and subject matter would be out of date. It would take true hip hop heads to enjoy it, and they probably would lose money if the didn't sell it only online. You can update the production to the old vocals but it never really sounds good atleast to me.
thats what they do and i hate it.its remixing, you cant remake classic!
DR had whole albums unreleased.i would like to hear it, yall dont?
then why yall goin crazy over danny boy unreleased 96 album?not to mention, street scholars, redrum, NINA, bloody mary,heltah skeltah, cashmoney-collabo album, etc.
tha realest mentioned in an interview a song with cash money guys and it goes like:
"cash money and death row, realest ni**az in down south and tha west coast".
now tell me that you dont want to hear these typ of stuff i mentioned
The Cash Money album never happened.
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what?
you mean why I donīt want to hear it right?
yes, i mean. lol i forgot to put "not" in the sentence.
The Cash Money album never happened.
maybe not the whole album but at least the song tha realest was talking about it in that 2-part audio interview.
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what?
you mean why I donīt want to hear it right?
yes, i mean. lol i forgot to put "not" in the sentence.
The Cash Money album never happened.
maybe not the whole album but at least the song tha realest was talking about it in that 2-part audio interview.
One song at most, it isn't even in the catalog as an incomplete album.
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Junior Capo, i see you are still 'Pyscho' Hustling for answers to question that can't be answered.... :grumpy: :grumpy:
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Suge tried to release 4 Dre tracks on the Chronic 2000 compilation,but Dre managed to stop him.
Thereīs more info in this thread;
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=157546.0
and here;
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=176048.msg1805066#msg1805066
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2234/1831710013_17b05f351b.jpg?v=0)
Yo don't give up, do you?
:P :laugh:
I canīt believe the worst piece off shit in Hip Hop history still gets attention.
Canīt somebody kill Suge so we can rest in peace?
i dont know but i know that people care about money, so all the classic material could bring him money.
Youīre telling me that you would buy it?
You donīt even own The Chronic,Doggystyle and/or All Eyes On me (to my knowledge) :P
And now you want to buy some half assed material that even Suge is ashamed off?
Dead Row got 5 fans left,and half of them will download it if it gets released....
So yes,I see Suge getting rich from that garbage. :P
And now you want to buy some half assed material that even Suge is ashamed off?
youīre tellin me that heīs ainīt releasing it because hes ashamed off it?
That is what Suge told me :P :-X :laugh: :laugh:
so yall are tellin me that the material thats left in the vaults is WACK? ???
The only shit left that might be interesting is the stuff that Dr.Dre,Crooked I and Above The Law did while on Death Row.
I believe we have already heard most if not all of the shit Snoop,DPG and 2Pac did that is worth anything already.
then why yall goin crazy over danny boy unreleased 96 album?
you tell me :P
not to mention, street scholars, redrum, NINA, bloody mary,heltah skeltah, cashmoney-collabo album, etc.
now tell me that you dont want to hear these typ of stuff i mentioned
NO!!!! :P
youīre jokin right? ::)
if not, then tell me why you donīt want to hear that stuff.
Just look at the artists you listed,some of them is cool. ;) (but nothing over the top)
But just because they was signed to Dead Row for a minute donīt mean that the material they recorded there is anything special.
Sure it would interesting to hear or get any of the unreleased Dr.Dre tracks and productions. (Chronic and DoggyStyle leftovers etc.) in good quality.
So would the stuff Above The Law and Crooked did.....
I mean after the core team left and Pac died,the label became whatever.
The same with Ruthless,who cares about all those "whatever" artists?
It was NWA (including solo work) and Above The Law that was interesting,after Eazy died well.... shit was over.
So you can say that the death of Eazy and Pac killed those power houses.
Let them rest in peace ;)
why did suge sign them if they were so wack and nothing special?
i dont know bout yall but i would like to hear bloody maryīs album for example.
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Bloody Mary was on the Og version of 'Piru Love'
and seeing Suge reps Blood, then it would makes sense to have her on his team as it were..
Plus at that time, it was fashionable to have female rappers, so suge probably followed suit, hoping to mold her into a lethal Rapper.
If an artist gets signed, that could mean, 1) they have potential [does not mean they are exceptional good] 2) Easy to Wrk with, that ties in with 1]
If the aid aritst is displays the potential to grow and become a STAR, then the label did a good job. If they remain just another rapper, then the sucks for the label..
Those songs just won't match up with todays' artist, nobody wants to put out songs just for the sake of it...'just for sake of it' is not going to 'put money in your pocket' 'just for the sake of it' is not going to put gas in your car, clothes on your back....
Accept the fact that those songs will never be released,cuz they are part of a dynasty that has crumbled!
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Suge tried to release 4 Dre tracks on the Chronic 2000 compilation,but Dre managed to stop him.
Thereīs more info in this thread;
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=157546.0
and here;
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=176048.msg1805066#msg1805066
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2234/1831710013_17b05f351b.jpg?v=0)
Yo don't give up, do you?
:P :laugh:
I canīt believe the worst piece off shit in Hip Hop history still gets attention.
Canīt somebody kill Suge so we can rest in peace?
i dont know but i know that people care about money, so all the classic material could bring him money.
Youīre telling me that you would buy it?
You donīt even own The Chronic,Doggystyle and/or All Eyes On me (to my knowledge) :P
And now you want to buy some half assed material that even Suge is ashamed off?
Dead Row got 5 fans left,and half of them will download it if it gets released....
So yes,I see Suge getting rich from that garbage. :P
And now you want to buy some half assed material that even Suge is ashamed off?
youīre tellin me that heīs ainīt releasing it because hes ashamed off it?
That is what Suge told me :P :-X :laugh: :laugh:
so yall are tellin me that the material thats left in the vaults is WACK? ???
The only shit left that might be interesting is the stuff that Dr.Dre,Crooked I and Above The Law did while on Death Row.
I believe we have already heard most if not all of the shit Snoop,DPG and 2Pac did that is worth anything already.
then why yall goin crazy over danny boy unreleased 96 album?
you tell me :P
not to mention, street scholars, redrum, NINA, bloody mary,heltah skeltah, cashmoney-collabo album, etc.
now tell me that you dont want to hear these typ of stuff i mentioned
NO!!!! :P
youīre jokin right? ::)
if not, then tell me why you donīt want to hear that stuff.
Just look at the artists you listed,some of them is cool. ;) (but nothing over the top)
But just because they was signed to Dead Row for a minute donīt mean that the material they recorded there is anything special.
Sure it would interesting to hear or get any of the unreleased Dr.Dre tracks and productions. (Chronic and DoggyStyle leftovers etc.) in good quality.
So would the stuff Above The Law and Crooked did.....
I mean after the core team left and Pac died,the label became whatever.
The same with Ruthless,who cares about all those "whatever" artists?
It was NWA (including solo work) and Above The Law that was interesting,after Eazy died well.... shit was over.
So you can say that the death of Eazy and Pac killed those power houses.
Let them rest in peace ;)
why did suge sign them if they were so wack and nothing special?
i dont know bout yall but i would like to hear bloody maryīs album for example.
why,why and why?
Do you expect me (or any other dubCC member) to answer that for Suge? :P
Well,Mackin4Life-Lone Wolf Of Dubcc was kind enough to give it a shot; ;)
If an artist gets signed,that could mean;
-1) they have potential [does not mean they are exceptional good]
-2) Easy to Wrk with, that ties in with 1]
If the aid aritst is displays the potential to grow and become a STAR, then the label did a good job.
If they remain just another rapper, then the sucks for the label..
Those songs just won't match up with todays' artist, nobody wants to put out songs just for the sake of it...
'just for sake of it' is not going to 'put money in your pocket'
'just for the sake of it' is not going to put gas in your car, clothes on your back....
Accept the fact that those songs will never be released,cuz they are part of a dynasty that has crumbled!
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why did suge sign them if they were so wack and nothing special?
i dont know bout yall but i would like to hear bloody maryīs album for example.
somebody should tie your hands together with a rope, so you can't submit any more questions, seriously :loco:
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did suge executive produce the unreleased albums?(gettn them studio, musicians=money) if yes, then why he didnt release anything?
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did suge executive produce the unreleased albums?(gettn them studio, musicians=money) if yes, then why he didnt release anything?
well he decided to cause some confusion, so that you'll have enough stuff to ask about
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did suge executive produce the unreleased albums?(gettn them studio, musicians=money) if yes, then why he didnt release anything?
well he decided to cause some confusion, so that you'll have enough stuff to ask about
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^ lol
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did suge executive produce the unreleased albums?(gettn them studio, musicians=money) if yes, then why he didnt release anything?
No He Did not!
His name was probably used as a figure head!
Why??..cuz Suge was going in and out of jail as often as you change your name..
BTW..Anybody anticipating the new Hell Boy Movie??..looks promosing
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did suge executive produce the unreleased albums?(gettn them studio, musicians=money) if yes, then why he didnt release anything?
well he decided to cause some confusion, so that you'll have enough stuff to ask about
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did suge executive produce the unreleased albums?(gettn them studio, musicians=money) if yes, then why he didnt release anything?
well he decided to cause some confusion, so that you'll have enough stuff to ask about
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are you ok?
you've just made 2 posts without including any questions :o :rubeyes:
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BTW..Anybody anticipating the new Hell Boy Movie??
..looks promosing
the first Hell Boy was off the meat rack....
so hell yeah....
Hellboy II: The Golden Army (Trailer)
http://www.youtube.com/v/fWvpuwatbJM&hl=en
8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
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did suge executive produce the unreleased albums?(gettn them studio, musicians=money) if yes, then why he didnt release anything?
well he decided to cause some confusion, so that you'll have enough stuff to ask about
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are you ok?
you've just made 2 posts without including any questions :o :rubeyes:
thats what forums are for, to ask qīs. :D
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did suge executive produce the unreleased albums?(gettn them studio, musicians=money) if yes, then why he didnt release anything?
well he decided to cause some confusion, so that you'll have enough stuff to ask about
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are you ok?
you've just made 2 posts without including any questions :o :rubeyes:
thats what forums are for, to ask qīs. :D
oh i thought this forum was made to mock you :-\
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dogg pound, snoop and pac were bigg names who sold like 250 k off of their names alone and were a nice addition to the catalogue no matter what..some of the releases like left eye were planned but didnt happen for different reasons and most of the other artists were no names or less quality music....but hey maybe we will some of them in the future
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dogg pound, snoop and pac were bigg names who sold like 250 k off of their names alone and were a nice addition to the catalogue no matter what..some of the releases like left eye were planned but didnt happen for different reasons and most of the other artists were no names or less quality music....but hey maybe we will some of them in the future
^^ i hope so.
AGAIN: why did he sign these "No-Name" ppl?even they were fuckin dope too.99%
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dogg pound, snoop and pac were bigg names who sold like 250 k off of their names alone and were a nice addition to the catalogue no matter what..some of the releases like left eye were planned but didnt happen for different reasons and most of the other artists were no names or less quality music....but hey maybe we will some of them in the future
^^ i hope so.
AGAIN: why did he sign these "No-Name" ppl?even they were fuckin dope too.99%
How the fuck would we know?
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it means he had PLANS but shit happens..imagine if 2pac never died and death row was still goin wtih their roster. :'(
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imagine if 2pac never died and death row was still going with their roster. :'(
-imagine if D.O.C never had that car accident,that led to a lot of problems... (the power of the white girl (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=white+girl))
that again got that fucker Suge AKA the worst piece of shit in Hip Hop's history to get in his ear >:(.
That Dre let this fucker manipulate him and The D.O.C it's a shame.
There could be several reason for them to be weak minded at this point though.(Dre lost his brother,D.O.Cīs drug problem)
But still a shame :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[.
So I ask you what roster?
Most of the people you talk about,
is people with some potential,nothing more,nothing less... ;)
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Suge still has a ton of that unreleased material, best believe. That auction was for all the RELEASED DEATH ROW material and 20 UNRELEASED TUPAC TRACKS. He has all that unreleased Dr. Dre, Lefteye, Dr. Dre, more Tupac that he's keeping to himself, Top Dogg, Eastwood, Crooked I, OFTB, DJ Quik, Tha Realest, Snoop, Dogg Pound, Soopafly, Hammer, Tha Gang, Warren G. Shit I could go on all day. He just didn't include it in the auction and since there is NO DEMAND for it like some of the posters said that it wouldn't be worth the money that it costs to press it and release it on cd.
I think the best we could do is see the best of these tracks pop up on a future compilation on his new label. Except for the Tupac material, he can always play it off and say "Crooked I just recorded this track" and throw it on a compilation and really it's a track from 2001.
Does anyone notice that none of the Lisa "Lefteye" Lopez tracks were included in that auction? old Dr. Dre tracks from OG Chronic 2000? Cash Money & Death Row tracks? Murder Inc and Death Row tracks? Unreleased Snoop albums? DMX's unreleased TGFR track, etc. Because they weren't part of the auction and they aren't in demand so Suge just shoved them under his pillow and when he comes out with this new label he might be able to make some business moves.
Most of the artists except for the dead ones, Snoop, and Dr. Dre, he could release the album and say they just freshly recorded it cause no judge or lawyer would ever be able to prove it or tell the difference if it's new or old. And he had a lot more than 20 Tupac tracks, please believe. That's compareable to him giving a few to Afeni in 1997 when he was sitting on 100's. I read an interview with The Source in 2002 where he said he has enough material for 12 more Tupac albums, tons of unreleased material that nobody has even heard, but he won't release it because he didn't think it was Pac at his best.
Holla back.
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When the fuck is Black Ball Records even gonna do ANYTHING. They've done nothing (that i know of) since that trailer for the reality show, and even then they were doing nothing. They signed that Young Life guy and what now? It would be sick to see Suge make this new company happen, but i think nothings gonna happen.
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didnt crooked say some shit like that?
that he took his masters or some shit?
didn't most of the artists take the rights with them? like i think dre gets money made from the chronic and pac's sales goes to his mum and stuff like that
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Suge still has a ton of that unreleased material, best believe. That auction was for all the RELEASED DEATH ROW material and 20 UNRELEASED TUPAC TRACKS. He has all that unreleased Dr. Dre, Lefteye, Dr. Dre, more Tupac that he's keeping to himself, Top Dogg, Eastwood, Crooked I, OFTB, DJ Quik, Tha Realest, Snoop, Dogg Pound, Soopafly, Hammer, Tha Gang, Warren G. Shit I could go on all day. He just didn't include it in the auction and since there is NO DEMAND for it like some of the posters said that it wouldn't be worth the money that it costs to press it and release it on cd.
I think the best we could do is see the best of these tracks pop up on a future compilation on his new label. Except for the Tupac material, he can always play it off and say "Crooked I just recorded this track" and throw it on a compilation and really it's a track from 2001.
Does anyone notice that none of the Lisa "Lefteye" Lopez tracks were included in that auction? old Dr. Dre tracks from OG Chronic 2000? Cash Money & Death Row tracks? Murder Inc and Death Row tracks? Unreleased Snoop albums? DMX's unreleased TGFR track, etc. Because they weren't part of the auction and they aren't in demand so Suge just shoved them under his pillow and when he comes out with this new label he might be able to make some business moves.
Most of the artists except for the dead ones, Snoop, and Dr. Dre, he could release the album and say they just freshly recorded it cause no judge or lawyer would ever be able to prove it or tell the difference if it's new or old. And he had a lot more than 20 Tupac tracks, please believe. That's compareable to him giving a few to Afeni in 1997 when he was sitting on 100's. I read an interview with The Source in 2002 where he said he has enough material for 12 more Tupac albums, tons of unreleased material that nobody has even heard, but he won't release it because he didn't think it was Pac at his best.
Holla back.
Where are you getting this information from? When you file for bankruptcy, they generally auction off all your assets. If Suge owes money that he can't pay back, why would they let him keep all of that unreleased material whether they knew its value or not? I'll admit that I don't know all the details of Suge's situation but I just don't see why they would ever let him do that. I don't think it would be that easy to just hide all this material and put it out later. He might be able to cut deals with underground labels and bootleggers but it would be very difficult for him to put out this material on his own without someone catching on. Another road block is promotion. If he can't promote the music as "Death Row vault material" then it's not nearly as valuable.
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didnt crooked say some shit like that?
that he took his masters or some shit?
didn't most of the artists take the rights with them? like i think dre gets money made from the chronic and pac's sales goes to his mum and stuff like that
I don't think Crook said he took the material with him but he did say that he held on to his publishing which means that if anyone releases the songs he recorded on Death Row, he gets paid. If I recall, he said in an interview that he discussed this with that company that was pressing up those Realest and OFTB bootlegs and informed them that he would need to be paid if they put it out. Publishing is real important for an artist to have.
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offer Suge some food for the tracks.
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I Donīt Get It Why He Donīt Release That Dope Albums By Sneed,Flexx,Redrum,Gina Longo,Bloody Mary,etc.
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Suge still has a ton of that unreleased material, best believe. That auction was for all the RELEASED DEATH ROW material and 20 UNRELEASED TUPAC TRACKS. He has all that unreleased Dr. Dre, Lefteye, Dr. Dre, more Tupac that he's keeping to himself, Top Dogg, Eastwood, Crooked I, OFTB, DJ Quik, Tha Realest, Snoop, Dogg Pound, Soopafly, Hammer, Tha Gang, Warren G. Shit I could go on all day. He just didn't include it in the auction and since there is NO DEMAND for it like some of the posters said that it wouldn't be worth the money that it costs to press it and release it on cd.
I think the best we could do is see the best of these tracks pop up on a future compilation on his new label. Except for the Tupac material, he can always play it off and say "Crooked I just recorded this track" and throw it on a compilation and really it's a track from 2001.
Does anyone notice that none of the Lisa "Lefteye" Lopez tracks were included in that auction? old Dr. Dre tracks from OG Chronic 2000? Cash Money & Death Row tracks? Murder Inc and Death Row tracks? Unreleased Snoop albums? DMX's unreleased TGFR track, etc. Because they weren't part of the auction and they aren't in demand so Suge just shoved them under his pillow and when he comes out with this new label he might be able to make some business moves.
Most of the artists except for the dead ones, Snoop, and Dr. Dre, he could release the album and say they just freshly recorded it cause no judge or lawyer would ever be able to prove it or tell the difference if it's new or old. And he had a lot more than 20 Tupac tracks, please believe. That's compareable to him giving a few to Afeni in 1997 when he was sitting on 100's. I read an interview with The Source in 2002 where he said he has enough material for 12 more Tupac albums, tons of unreleased material that nobody has even heard, but he won't release it because he didn't think it was Pac at his best.
Holla back.
Where are you getting this information from? When you file for bankruptcy, they generally auction off all your assets. If Suge owes money that he can't pay back, why would they let him keep all of that unreleased material whether they knew its value or not? I'll admit that I don't know all the details of Suge's situation but I just don't see why they would ever let him do that. I don't think it would be that easy to just hide all this material and put it out later. He might be able to cut deals with underground labels and bootleggers but it would be very difficult for him to put out this material on his own without someone catching on. Another road block is promotion. If he can't promote the music as "Death Row vault material" then it's not nearly as valuable.
The courts don't know he has any unreleased material except for they knew he had Tupac tracks. Where did all these Lefteye tracks go that Suge has that people were beggin him to release after she passed away? Where did all these unreleased Above The Law, OFTB, Top Dogg, Crooked I, Eastwood, Tha Realest, Soopafly, Dr. Dre unreleased cuts that were supposed to be on the OG Chronic 2000 ("Inside Out Compilation")??
Suge is sleepin on that please believe. No court can make you auction off something they don't know about or know you own. Plus, that auction was for the RELEASED material and 20 unreleased Tupac tracks -- not all the other material. The released material is primarily what the auction was for. So my question is Suge planning on throwing a few of the tracks on future compilations -- for example, he could throw "Middle Finger Music" (the Crooked I 'Say Hi To Tha Bad Guy' 2001 Snoop diss) on a compilation with his new artist and no judge would even be able to prove that it was recorded before the auction. The only one they could prove that for is Pac because obviously he is gone.
So I'm asking did Suge destroy this material, give it back to the artists, or is he planning on releasing a few of the tracks when his label gets off the ground?
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2Pac And DPG Ainīt The Only Ones That I Like On Death Row.They Were All Dope.
Most of the people you talk about,
is people with some potential,nothing more,nothing less...
You Want To Say That Besides Dre/DPG/2Pac They All Wack? ::) ???
I Know Were No Big Names But The Music Was Tight.
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Most of the people you talk about,
is people with some potential,nothing more,nothing less...
You're basicilly saying that Besides Dre,DPG and 2Pac they're all Wak? ::) ???
I Know Were No Big Names But The Music Was Tight.
Yes,that's what I'm saying ;)
They might had some potential,but nothing to go crazy over. ;)
So again the few things that would be interesting to hear would be;
-Chronic leftovers
-Doggystyle leftovers
-The tracks recorded for Helter Skelter
-The material Crooked I and Above The Law recorded while on Death Row.
Most if not all of the Snoop,DPG and Pac material that is worth something has been released or leaked (to my knowledge). ;)
How come no one is bugging Tomica about all the shit in the Ruthless vault?
According to Ren (the formula interview),there's mad leftovers from the Niggaz4life sessions.
For all we know there might be mad leftovers from Above The Law,Eazy and Ren in the Ruthless vault too. :P ;)
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But Iīm Also Interessted In, Other Peopleīs Material, Not Just DPG & 2Pac.
I Luv That Death Row Sound.
P.S. I Still Donīt Know Who In B-Rezell Was, I Know It Was Hurt-Em-Badd, LT Hutton, who else?
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I Donīt Get It Why He Donīt Release That Dope Albums By Sneed,Flexx,Redrum,Gina Longo,Bloody Mary,etc.
lmao, you realise she only recorded an album because she was the daughter of one of Death Row's lawyers? i doubt very much that Suge, or anyone would have ever released that album...
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Most of the people you talk about,
is people with some potential,nothing more,nothing less...
You're basicilly saying that Besides Dre,DPG and 2Pac they're all Wak? ::) ???
I Know Were No Big Names But The Music Was Tight.
Yes,that's what I'm saying ;)
They might had some potential,but nothing to go crazy over. ;)
So again the few things that would be interesting to hear would be;
-Chronic leftovers
-Doggystyle leftovers
-The tracks recorded for Helter Skelter
-The material Crooked I and Above The Law recorded while on Death Row.
Most if not all of the Snoop,DPG and Pac material that is worth something has been released or leaked (to my knowledge). ;)
+ there may be some dope stuff from Sam Sneed.
How come no one is bugging Tomica about all the shit in the Ruthless vault?
According to Ren (the formula interview),there's mad leftovers from the Niggaz4life sessions.
For all we know there might be mad leftovers from Above The Law,Eazy and Ren in the Ruthless vault too. :P ;)[/color]
well what happened with Ruthless Records, wasn't it supposed to come back this year? :D
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I Donīt Get It Why He Donīt Release That Dope Albums By Sneed,Flexx,Redrum,Gina Longo,Bloody Mary,etc.
lmao, you realise she only recorded an album because she was the daughter of one of Death Row's lawyers? i doubt very much that Suge, or anyone would have ever released that album...
i know that.
recorded an album that never got released :rolleyes: why the fuck did she sign to the label if they album never see the daylight?why did suge sign her or other artists with no album?
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I Donīt Get It Why He Donīt Release That Dope Albums By Sneed,Flexx,Redrum,Gina Longo,Bloody Mary,etc.
lmao, you realise she only recorded an album because she was the daughter of one of Death Row's lawyers? i doubt very much that Suge, or anyone would have ever released that album...
i know that.
recorded an album that never got released :rolleyes: why the fuck did she sign to the label if they album never see the daylight?why did suge sign her or other artists with no album?
i explained that in my post above. do you read the posts on this forum or do you just skim through them?
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^ do you maen the "how the fuck we know" comment?:D
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Most of the people you talk about,
is people with some potential,nothing more,nothing less...
You're basicilly saying that Besides Dre,DPG and 2Pac they're all Wak? ::) ???
I Know Were No Big Names But The Music Was Tight.
Yes,that's what I'm saying ;)
They might had some potential,but nothing to go crazy over. ;)
So again the few things that would be interesting to hear would be;
-Chronic leftovers
-Doggystyle leftovers
-The tracks recorded for Helter Skelter
-The material Crooked I and Above The Law recorded while on Death Row.
Most if not all of the Snoop,DPG and Pac material that is worth something has been released or leaked (to my knowledge). ;)
+ there may be some dope stuff from Sam Sneed.
How come no one is bugging Tomica about all the shit in the Ruthless vault?
According to Ren (the formula interview),there's mad leftovers from the Niggaz4life sessions.
For all we know there might be mad leftovers from Above The Law,Eazy and Ren in the Ruthless vault too. :P ;)
well what happened with Ruthless Records, wasn't it supposed to come back this year? :D
I believe I read something about that,but I really donīt care.
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The courts don't know he has any unreleased material except for they knew he had Tupac tracks. Where did all these Lefteye tracks go that Suge has that people were beggin him to release after she passed away? Where did all these unreleased Above The Law, OFTB, Top Dogg, Crooked I, Eastwood, Tha Realest, Soopafly, Dr. Dre unreleased cuts that were supposed to be on the OG Chronic 2000 ("Inside Out Compilation")??
Suge is sleepin on that please believe. No court can make you auction off something they don't know about or know you own. Plus, that auction was for the RELEASED material and 20 unreleased Tupac tracks -- not all the other material. The released material is primarily what the auction was for. So my question is Suge planning on throwing a few of the tracks on future compilations -- for example, he could throw "Middle Finger Music" (the Crooked I 'Say Hi To Tha Bad Guy' 2001 Snoop diss) on a compilation with his new artist and no judge would even be able to prove that it was recorded before the auction. The only one they could prove that for is Pac because obviously he is gone.
So I'm asking did Suge destroy this material, give it back to the artists, or is he planning on releasing a few of the tracks when his label gets off the ground?
I would guess that if they have the money to buy the entire Death Row catalog, they probably have some very good legal people to take count of what they own. Like I said, you might be right about it being just for "released" material but I have never read any article that can clarify that. I have no doubt that Suge has some of the Death Row material put away but legally releasing it is going to be difficult. If he's going to put Death Row material out on a legit album, he is going to need to produce publishing records which will indicate who wrote what, produced what, studio it was recorded at, etc. It's one thing to do the mixtapes and these independent street albums but if you go business with a major label or distributor, they will want to know that you have legal ownership of the music before they even touch it. They don't want a lawsuit.
Putting out Crooked I music I think would actually be one of the easier artists to disspell. For starters, Crook owns his publishing. He'd want to be paid. From what I hear, he blocked the FTPE release from happening so chances are he'd have his lawyers on that. It doesn't take a legal genius to figure out that a song where Crooked I is dissing Snoop and claiming Death Row probably wasn't recorded in 2008.
Maybe Suge has his ways of doing it and if so, I'd be the first in line to buy one but you have to figure that if he didn't put this stuff out when he legally had the rights to it and could promote it any way he wanted, he's probably not gonna put money behind doing it when he'd have to keep it on the low and work around it.
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The courts don't know he has any unreleased material except for they knew he had Tupac tracks. Where did all these Lefteye tracks go that Suge has that people were beggin him to release after she passed away? Where did all these unreleased Above The Law, OFTB, Top Dogg, Crooked I, Eastwood, Tha Realest, Soopafly, Dr. Dre unreleased cuts that were supposed to be on the OG Chronic 2000 ("Inside Out Compilation")??
Suge is sleepin on that please believe. No court can make you auction off something they don't know about or know you own. Plus, that auction was for the RELEASED material and 20 unreleased Tupac tracks -- not all the other material. The released material is primarily what the auction was for. So my question is Suge planning on throwing a few of the tracks on future compilations -- for example, he could throw "Middle Finger Music" (the Crooked I 'Say Hi To Tha Bad Guy' 2001 Snoop diss) on a compilation with his new artist and no judge would even be able to prove that it was recorded before the auction. The only one they could prove that for is Pac because obviously he is gone.
So I'm asking did Suge destroy this material, give it back to the artists, or is he planning on releasing a few of the tracks when his label gets off the ground?
I would guess that if they have the money to buy the entire Death Row catalog, they probably have some very good legal people to take count of what they own. Like I said, you might be right about it being just for "released" material but I have never read any article that can clarify that. I have no doubt that Suge has some of the Death Row material put away but legally releasing it is going to be difficult. If he's going to put Death Row material out on a legit album, he is going to need to produce publishing records which will indicate who wrote what, produced what, studio it was recorded at, etc. It's one thing to do the mixtapes and these independent street albums but if you go business with a major label or distributor, they will want to know that you have legal ownership of the music before they even touch it. They don't want a lawsuit.
Putting out Crooked I music I think would actually be one of the easier artists to disspell. For starters, Crook owns his publishing. He'd want to be paid. From what I hear, he blocked the FTPE release from happening so chances are he'd have his lawyers on that. It doesn't take a legal genius to figure out that a song where Crooked I is dissing Snoop and claiming Death Row probably wasn't recorded in 2008.
Maybe Suge has his ways of doing it and if so, I'd be the first in line to buy one but you have to figure that if he didn't put this stuff out when he legally had the rights to it and could promote it any way he wanted, he's probably not gonna put money behind doing it when he'd have to keep it on the low and work around it.
Some good points here. I also think (and I certainly hope) the auction only concerned the released material, stuff like The Chronic or All Eyez On Me might be something worthwhile for these Global Music Group people but what the hell would they wanna do with unreleased Top Dogg or Eastwood?
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Some good points here. I also think (and I certainly hope) the auction only concerned the released material, stuff like The Chronic or All Eyez On Me might be something worthwhile for these Global Music Group people but what the hell would they wanna do with unreleased Top Dogg or Eastwood?
I would think they'd want to own as much of the music as possible. If Eastwood or these artists decide they want to put some of this out, they go through Global Music Group to do it. They may only have the rights to the classic catalog but my feeling is if Suge filed bankrupcy, why would the court let him hold on to proftable assets whether they were released or not. He might have phyiscal copies of a lot of the stuff but I'm pretty sure that GMG purchased the legal rights to it. It's the same deal with artists who worked at Ruthless or Death Row, they might have copies of what they did but unless they have legal ownership, they probably can't put it out.
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Some good points here. I also think (and I certainly hope) the auction only concerned the released material, stuff like The Chronic or All Eyez On Me might be something worthwhile for these Global Music Group people but what the hell would they wanna do with unreleased Top Dogg or Eastwood?
I would think they'd want to own as much of the music as possible. If Eastwood or these artists decide they want to put some of this out, they go through Global Music Group to do it. They may only have the rights to the classic catalog but my feeling is if Suge filed bankrupcy, why would the court let him hold on to proftable assets whether they were released or not. He might have phyiscal copies of a lot of the stuff but I'm pretty sure that GMG purchased the legal rights to it. It's the same deal with artists who worked at Ruthless or Death Row, they might have copies of what they did but unless they have legal ownership, they probably can't put it out.
Let's say they have auctioned off the complete vaults as well. I highly doubt that this Global Music Group would want to release an album by the lesser known artists like Eastwood or even Crooked I for that matter, for the simple fact that there is not alot of profit to be made from this. And I'm pretty sure these artists have little interest in their DR material being released also.
Like someone said before if Suge has stuff the court doesn't know about then there is nothing to be auctioned off.
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In theory, since court don't listen to rap, we're assuming that they don't know about this but artists/producers/labels/studios keep records of all these songs for publishing purposes. If they didn't, Crooked I or any of these other artists could put out the material and say they did it on another label too. You don't think any of the artists would try to obtain rights to specific songs? I'd love to see these songs surface but I think the best chance we'd have of that happening would be Suge leaking it or selling it secretly to someone else. I don't think he could just put this music out without someone getting wise to it. I'm sure that there at least a few of these artists trying to make deals with Global Music to get some of this stuff.
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In theory, since court don't listen to rap, we're assuming that they don't know about this but artists/producers/labels/studios keep records of all these songs for publishing purposes. If they didn't, Crooked I or any of these other artists could put out the material and say they did it on another label too. You don't think any of the artists would try to obtain rights to specific songs? I'd love to see these songs surface but I think the best chance we'd have of that happening would be Suge leaking it or selling it secretly to someone else. I don't think he could just put this music out without someone getting wise to it. I'm sure that there at least a few of these artists trying to make deals with Global Music to get some of this stuff.
Suge cannot put out any DR music anymore that's for sure. I don't see what good it will do for former inmates if they try to get certain songs except when your name is Andre or Calvin. I don't think Crooked I is interested right now in trying to obtain his DR stuff when he is still in the proces of trying to get his career off the ground. It's hard enough for him to get his current stuff to the masses, why would he even be bothered with old music from a dead label.
Whatever happens with all of that unreleased stuff I would hate to see it being put out by Global Music, I'd rather all of that stuff leaked so everybody can just download it.
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In theory, since court don't listen to rap, we're assuming that they don't know about this but artists/producers/labels/studios keep records of all these songs for publishing purposes. If they didn't, Crooked I or any of these other artists could put out the material and say they did it on another label too. You don't think any of the artists would try to obtain rights to specific songs? I'd love to see these songs surface but I think the best chance we'd have of that happening would be Suge leaking it or selling it secretly to someone else. I don't think he could just put this music out without someone getting wise to it. I'm sure that there at least a few of these artists trying to make deals with Global Music to get some of this stuff.
Suge cannot put out any DR music anymore that's for sure. I don't see what good it will do for former inmates if they try to get certain songs except when your name is Andre or Calvin. I don't think Crooked I is interested right now in trying to obtain his DR stuff when he is still in the proces of trying to get his career off the ground. It's hard enough for him to get his current stuff to the masses, why would he even be bothered with old music from a dead label.
Whatever happens with all of that unreleased stuff I would hate to see it being put out by Global Music, I'd rather all of that stuff leaked so everybody can just download it.
why?because it has no DEATH ROW LOGO on it?fuck that man, even if "bad boy records" puts it out, i would be still happy :D
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i love the irony of your new nickname by the way ;D
I see no changes
And still I see no changes
But some things will never change
:cheers:
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i love the irony of your new nickname by the way ;D
I see no changes
And still I see no changes
But some things will never change
:cheers:
theres nothing ironic in my nick.
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i love the irony of your new nickname by the way ;D
I see no changes
And still I see no changes
But some things will never change
:cheers:
theres nothing ironic in my nick.
yes there is, you just don't see it ;)
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you mean that i didnt change and im still askin "stupid" questions about death row? ::)
if not, what else?
p.s. you still stalkin me (?) ;)
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you mean that i didnt change and im still askin "stupid" questions about death row? ::)
if not, what else?
something like that ;)
like Chad said, you're (still) asking so many questions about stuff you don't even own ;D
so you're basically a leech (http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/auto/car-smiley-011.gif)
p.s. you still stalkin me (?) ;)
hmmm i assume there's a misconception.
you still got my response to your last pm right?
maybe you should read that again (http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/sauer/angry-smiley-014.gif)
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^yeah i got it, thats why im surprised you still makin these comments about me.
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^yeah i got it, thats why im surprised you still makin these comments about me.
apparently you need to re-read it then, cause you obviously don't get it.
(http://www.realraptalk.com/images/smilies/Thankuspin.gif)
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just re-read it homie, i see what you are saying but you need to stop with your comments.i want that username and i can do whatever i want ;)
p.s. now i see, youīre the one who told chad not to "help" me no more.
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just re-read it homie, i see what you are saying but you need to stop with your comments.i want that username and i can do whatever i want ;)
p.s. now i see, youīre the one who told chad not to "help" me no more.
offcourse you can do what you want, but so i ;)
you've been around here for like 4 years, so it's about time that you understand why certain comments are being made.
just re-read it homie, i see what you are saying but you need to stop with your comments.i want that username and i can do whatever i want ;)
p.s. now i see, youīre the one who told chad not to "help" me no more.
offcourse you can do what you want, but so i ;)
you've been around here for like 4 years, so it's about time that you understand why certain comments are being made.
by the way, Chad completely agrees with what i wrote to you through pm.
if you don't believe me, ask him, he'll confirm it.
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p.s. now i see, you're the one who told chad not to "help" me no more.
ohhh,well the cat is out of the bag. :P
by the way, Chad completely agrees with what i wrote to you through pm.
if you don't believe me, ask him, he'll confirm it.
Maybe you (Dre-Day) should post it?
You didn't say anything out of line as far as I can remember.
PH; as far as I can remember Dre-Day tried to reach out to you to "solve the problem",but you didn't get back to him.
Anyway,please continue this in the g-spot or trough PM.
(http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/starwars/star-wars-smiley-013.gif)
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^^ i dont give a fuck about the "problem".
PH; as far as I can remember Dre-Day tried to reach out to you to "solve the problem",but you didn't get back to him.
p.s. i was the first one who wrote him a PM, when was he trying to "reach out to me"?i dont know what ya mean.i always replied to his answers that i got after i PMed him.
neways, i dont give a fuck.letīs close this case.
*Pacīs Voice* Letīs Be Friends ;) 8)
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yz g malone always mention suge in his songs? :o
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^^ i dont give a fuck about the "problem".
PH; as far as I can remember Dre-Day tried to reach out to you to "solve the problem",but you didn't get back to him.
p.s. i was the first one who wrote him a PM, when was he trying to "reach out to me"?i dont know what ya mean.i always replied to his answers that i got after i PMed him.
neways, i dont give a fuck.letīs close this case.
*Pacīs Voice* Letīs Be Friends ;) 8)
no you didn't reply to my last response.
but if you claim that you wrote a response, but for whatever reason it didn't come through then re-send it.
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^^ i dont give a fuck about the "problem".
PH; as far as I can remember Dre-Day tried to reach out to you to "solve the problem",but you didn't get back to him.
p.s. i was the first one who wrote him a PM, when was he trying to "reach out to me"?i dont know what ya mean.i always replied to his answers that i got after i PMed him.
neways, i dont give a fuck.letīs close this case.
*Pacīs Voice* Letīs Be Friends ;) 8)
no you didn't reply to my last response.
but if you claim that you wrote a response, but for whatever reason it didn't come through then re-send it.
is it that important to you? ::)
letīs quit that bullshit.
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^^ i dont give a fuck about the "problem".
PH; as far as I can remember Dre-Day tried to reach out to you to "solve the problem",but you didn't get back to him.
p.s. i was the first one who wrote him a PM, when was he trying to "reach out to me"?i dont know what ya mean.i always replied to his answers that i got after i PMed him.
neways, i dont give a fuck.letīs close this case.
*Pacīs Voice* Letīs Be Friends ;) 8)
no you didn't reply to my last response.
but if you claim that you wrote a response, but for whatever reason it didn't come through then re-send it.
is it that important to you? ::)
letīs quit that bullshit.
there is no "we" PH.
the ball is in your court.
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^^ no, you start that shit.you point out my nickname yesterday, not me.i thought it was over since we PMīed each other.
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^^ no, you start that shit.you point out my nickname yesterday, not me.i thought it was over since we PMīed each other.
i thought you had understood the message from my pm, but you didn't, so don't blame me for that (http://www.realraptalk.com/images/smilies/weirdo.gif)