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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: Chad Vader on July 16, 2008, 06:07:00 PM
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In the last week or so I have come across some interesting convos between UCC and Dre-Day.
If you boil it down it has been about content VS flow.
If I/you generalize things,you can say that "Gangster" rappers can be pigeon hold to having dope flows and no content,
and that "Conscious" rappers got boring/lazy flows with a lot of content.
Two rappers that has come in question is; (I used their convo and these two rappers as examples)
-Snoop arguably one of the best when it come to nice flows,but the content is almost zero.
-Bishop Lamont is trying to fill is lyrics with some meaningfull content,but doubters has complained about his boring/lazy flow.
So I ask you;
-What is more important? (content or flow)
Re: Dre Produced Snoop Dogg Album Or A Dre Produced The Game Album?
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=186529.msg1907397#msg1907397
-Snoop is way past his prime, we know exactly how he will spit over every beat, he will rhyme bitch with dick for 16 bars and talk some pimp shit... I mean it will still be dope, lol, but it won't be surprising in the least
-Game is kind of the same in that he will just spit your typical Game shit over the beats, it'll sound dope, but I can't really take Game for a whole album, he never changes his flow or the tone of his voice so it'll get tired quick and you'll just end up listening to the beat for about 30 seconds before skipping to the next track because he doesn't hold people's attention too well, his main talent so far has been to get dope beats for his albums
-Bishop has the flows, the content, and the newness that will make it interesting
Re: The serious DETOX thread: what are y'all hoping for?
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=150187.msg1907552#msg1907552
but I'm starting to think that the new innovation will be mainly the lyrical content...
basically a huge mainstream album with different subject matter than we're used to - that's exactly what 'Grow Up' is
Critics mainly criticized 2001 for it's cliched, tired lyrical content,
and so I think Dre picked up on that and that's why he he's going to change the content with Detox
- no more out and out gangsta shit (and therefore no room for Game or 50)
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I would say that flow is more important. I can't listen to some lil wayne faggots even if he would have good lyrics. Everything should be in balance though, that's for sure.
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Both. You gotta say some fresh shit (content) while presentin it in a catchy way (flow)
Chuuuuch!
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Everything should be in balance though, that's for sure.
Yeah but if I HAD to choose I'd go with flow. Flow without any real lyrical content is listenable IMO (especially with a hot beat) but I can't stand it when it's the other way around.
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Flow. If you present a rap in a way that just sounds dope, thats more important to me. I can't listen to music because of the message. To me, music is just entertainment. Sounds like shit=not entertaining.
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I've always been about flow, I love hearing different flows and when dudes go nuts and change up the flows to keep it interesting - Snoop used to, but doesn't as much anymore (apart from Think About It, which was crrraazy), stuff like Tha Shizznit and Gz & Hustlaz had his best flows in my opinion
I'm all about dudes like Pharoahe Monch, KRS-One, Lady Of Rage, Kool G Rap, Eminem, Slick Rick, E-40, Das Efx, Sean Price, Tech N9ne, Royce Da 5'9'', Method Man, Pharcyde, Gift of Gab, etc - MCs who have crazy flows they can switch up and entertain me with
If they have good content to, that's a bonus, but my worst kind of MC is one who is all content and no flow, it's just sleepy time for me then
I've been paying attention to content a bit more than I used to and it's cool if they're dropping some clever shit there as well, but that to me comes second
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Like, if you're listening to the hottest underground artists and they have amazing lyrics... Intelligent perspectives on shit, strong vocabulary and present issues and messages, incredible knowledge, ya know and got bars that will shock you, if they got no flow, it's boring. Like, to me, if you got all dat, but boring beat, lazy flow, I CANNOT listen to it. It would bore the shit out me.
But than again, a loud excited flow is gonna catch a niggas attention. Like Busta Rhymes, Magic, ya know. They may not be a Tupac as far as lyrical content, but their flows is amazing. They loud. They catch a nigga's ear.
As a Hip Hop fan......
Like Das EFX to me, are the greatest artists to ever bless Hip Hop. Their flow is like extraordinary. Their delivery is on somethang serious, but as far as content, they were no Nas, but they was as innovative as an artist can get.
And now Papoose, every nigga wanna dismantle his flow, saying he don't got it, he screaming, there's no delivery, but his lyrical content is the truth. It's knowledge. It's street smart. And to me, he stands out as a rapper.
So to sum it all up, I guess a nigga gotta have both, even though alot of cats only have half of the package. And when you got it all, than you just a classic. ;D
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FLOW for sure.
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I would go for Flow!!
Common is a dope MC, but Damn his flow and rapping style is boring!!
I find it hard to enjoy his music!! I've only listened to two songs outta his entire catalogue which i feel is sad, cuz he is a good MC, from the two tracks i forced myself to listen. IMO a fan shouldn't really have to do that. But then again i shouldn't really disregard an artist based solely on his flows, but unfortunately, the reverse is the case!
I appreciate content as well! A rapper with a superb flow, rhyming about nothing can get tedious as well! I think a bit of both would not be a bad idea!
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I picked flow because thats what really gets my ear when I listen to a rapper
when I listen to old Snoop like you said he wasnt saying much but the way he said was dope 8)
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Common is a dope MC, but Damn his flow and rapping style is boring!!
I find it hard to enjoy his music!!
Well Common must be the best example for a content rapper with the most boring flow ever.
MC? I can't tell if Common is a MC or not (his shit UNLISTENABLE),
a MC for me is a cat that concentrate more on flow and delivery. (+wordplay)
when I listen to old Snoop like you said he wasn't saying much but the way he said was dope 8)
old Snoop is a perfect example when it comes to flow,there's hardly any content.
Like Mac Dre said;
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I side with Flow too! However I don't agree to the part the Snoop had weak lyrics... Murder Was The Case for example is the best cinematic song in my opinon.
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I'd say it depends on my mood, what I wanna listen to at that moment.
But I gotta choose content, cause that's the most important about music for me.
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nice one Chad 8)
I've always been about flow, I love hearing different flows and when dudes go nuts and change up the flows to keep it interesting - Snoop used to, but doesn't as much anymore (apart from Think About It, which was crrraazy), stuff like Tha Shizznit and Gz & Hustlaz had his best flows in my opinion
I'm all about dudes like Pharoahe Monch, KRS-One, Lady Of Rage, Kool G Rap, Eminem, Slick Rick, E-40, Das Efx, Sean Price, Tech N9ne, Royce Da 5'9'', Method Man, Pharcyde, Gift of Gab, etc - MCs who have crazy flows they can switch up and entertain me with
If they have good content to, that's a bonus, but my worst kind of MC is one who is all content and no flow, it's just sleepy time for me then
I've been paying attention to content a bit more than I used to and it's cool if they're dropping some clever shit there as well, but that to me comes second
yeah for me a good flow is more required than content, cause i believe a good flow can make up for the content, but not the other way around.
it's music after all :)
and good delivery fuels the words, so with content it makes it stronger.
so it's not like content is not important at all, it's just not that important.
i always find it hard to judge content anyway, so i often don't really comment on when reviewing stuff.
by the way, let's not forget about the D.O.C. !
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The combination of both is the most important... but when I listen to Nuthin But A G Thang I really don't care much about the content lol
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one do not go without the other. ya need both to be a good artist.
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Both are needed to be a complete artist if u take only flow don't be surprise if we have more souljaboy!! but if u are a gansta rapper we all know the content of your song ! so snoop is a complete gansta rapper for doggystyle he had the gansgta content and the flow for make u love that gangsta shit!
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Good flow saves bad lyrics (content)
Good lyrics (content) doesn't save bad flow
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if u take only flow don't be surprise if we have more souljaboy!!
Though Souljahboy can't flow for shit either! I'd gladly take more artists with zero content but amazing flows - if everyone was flowing like Das EFX mixed with DOC mixed with Busta Rhymes mixed with Fu-Schnickens it'd be like :o :o even if they never said shit
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I picked flow because thats what really gets my ear when I listen to a rapper
when I listen to old Snoop like you said he wasnt saying much but the way he said was dope 8)
that's one of the things that was missing on Tha Doggfather imo.
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dope thread. something i've been thinking about recently!
i tend to listen to rappers for the sound of how they flow over a beat. but as others have said, it's a package because the attitude, story, beat, flow and lyrics need to fit together on a track to make really dope music.
i cannot listen to so many "conscoius" rappers who sound clever but really just put together a bunch of tight punchlines masquerading as sophisticated politics or releigion that really in the end is just powder puff rhetoric like so many so called "lyricists" out there.
The only "conscoius" rappers i can listen to are the few who put themselves on the line and give you a bit of personal and genuinely soulful music. there aint too many about though!!!
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dope thread. something i've been thinking about recently!
i tend to listen to rappers for the sound of how they flow over a beat. but as others have said, it's a package because the attitude, story, beat, flow and lyrics need to fit together on a track to make really dope music.
i cannot listen to so many "conscoius" rappers who sound clever but really just put together a bunch of tight punchlines masquerading as sophisticated politics or releigion that really in the end is just powder puff rhetoric like so many so called "lyricists" out there.
The only "conscoius" rappers i can listen to are the few who put themselves on the line and give you a bit of personal and genuinely soulful music. there aint too many about though!!!
true.
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I picked flow because thats what really gets my ear when I listen to a rapper
when I listen to old Snoop like you said he wasnt saying much but the way he said was dope 8)
that's one of the things that was missing on Tha Doggfather imo.
that nigga had flow and content on that album.
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the problem with bishop isnt his flow, its his voice and personality. plenty of people can rock a slow/generic flow cause they have the charisma to go with it. lamont.. doesnt. atleast from what I've heard from him.
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the problem with bishop isnt his flow, its his voice and personality.
plenty of people can rock a slow/generic flow cause they have the charisma to go with it. lamont.. doesnt. atleast from what I've heard from him.
Check this thread out;
AM I THE ONLY ONE WHO AIN'T FEELING BISHOP LAMONT
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=163570.0
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To me, it's like asking what more important for an NBA player? Offence or diffense? Well, of course you gotta have both! However, if you gotta pick one it's gotta be offense. And in terms of rap - flow.
But the greatest ones (both rappers and NBA players) always have both skills, hands down.
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dope thread. something I've been thinking about recently!
Me too,especially in these Detox times with Bishop and all this bashing of Gangster Rap and shit. >:(
I tend to listen to rappers for the sound of how they flow over a beat.
But as others have said, it's a package because the attitude, story, beat, flow and lyrics need to fit together on a track to make really dope music.
Yep,the vocals is just another instrument to should enhance the beat/instrumental
I cannot listen to so many "conscious" rappers who sound clever but really just put together a
bunch of tight punchlines masquerading as sophisticated politics or religion that really
in the end is just powder puff rhetoric like so many so called "lyricists" out there.
The only "conscious" rappers i can listen to are the few who put themselves on the line
and give you a bit of personal and genuinely soulful music.
There ain't too many about though!!!
Well these rappers that label themself "conscious" is usually boring as fuck,they have no passion behind their delivery what so ever.
:puke:(Common,Talib,Mos Def etc.)
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Well these rappers that label themself "conscious" is usually boring as fuck,they have no passion behind their delivery what so ever.
:puke:(Common,Talib,Mos Def etc.)
That's all a matter of opinion though. Those three you just mentioned are considered great artists by many people.
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dope thread. something I've been thinking about recently!
Me too,especially in these Detox times with Bishop and all this bashing of Gangster Rap and shit. >:(
I tend to listen to rappers for the sound of how they flow over a beat.
But as others have said, it's a package because the attitude, story, beat, flow and lyrics need to fit together on a track to make really dope music.
Yep,the vocals is just another instrument to should enhance the beat/instrumental
I cannot listen to so many "conscious" rappers who sound clever but really just put together a
bunch of tight punchlines masquerading as sophisticated politics or religion that really
in the end is just powder puff rhetoric like so many so called "lyricists" out there.
The only "conscious" rappers i can listen to are the few who put themselves on the line
and give you a bit of personal and genuinely soulful music.
There ain't too many about though!!!
Well these rappers that label themself "conscious" is usually boring as fuck,they have no passion behind their delivery what so ever.
:puke:(Common,Talib,Mos Def etc.)
LOL
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Well these rappers that label themself "conscious" is usually boring as fuck,they have no passion behind their delivery what so ever.
:puke:(Common,Talib,Mos Def etc.)
That's all a matter of opinion though. Those three you just mentioned are considered great artists by many people.
That could be,but I donīt see any edutainment value in them at all ;)
dope thread. something I've been thinking about recently!
Me too,especially in these Detox times with Bishop and all this bashing of Gangster Rap and shit. >:(
I tend to listen to rappers for the sound of how they flow over a beat.
But as others have said, it's a package because the attitude, story, beat, flow and lyrics need to fit together on a track to make really dope music.
Yep,the vocals is just another instrument to should enhance the beat/instrumental
I cannot listen to so many "conscious" rappers who sound clever but really just put together a
bunch of tight punchlines masquerading as sophisticated politics or religion that really
in the end is just powder puff rhetoric like so many so called "lyricists" out there.
The only "conscious" rappers i can listen to are the few who put themselves on the line
and give you a bit of personal and genuinely soulful music.
There ain't too many about though!!!
Well these rappers that label themself "conscious" is usually boring as fuck,they have no passion behind their delivery what so ever.
:puke:(Common,Talib,Mos Def etc.)
LOL
That could be,but I donīt see any edutainment value in them at all ;)
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ya gotta have both.
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I voted for content. The flow is something that can be fine-tuned but the content for the most part stays the same with most rappers. Of course, this has a lot to do with selling records(selling out) and label intervention and the fact that most rappers are not the smartest muthafuckas out there. So content is far more important in the overall scheme of things like how the culture is perceived and how it negatively effects and encourages ridiculous behavior at times.
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I voted for content. The flow is something that can be fine-tuned but the content for the most part stays the same with most rappers. Of course, this has a lot to do with selling records(selling out) and label intervention and the fact that most rappers are not the smartest muthafuckas out there. So content is far more important in the overall scheme of things like how the culture is perceived and how it negatively effects and encourages ridiculous behavior at times.
so to you content can make up for a whack flow?
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I voted for content.
The flow is something that can be fine-tuned but the content for the most part stays the same with most rappers.
Of course, this has a lot to do with selling records(selling out) and label intervention and the fact that most rappers are not the smartest muthafuckas out there.
So content is far more important in the overall scheme of things like how the culture is perceived and how it negatively effects and encourages ridiculous behavior at times.
For some reason (most of) these "so called content rappers" got "monotonous flow"....
No passion in their delivery :-\.....
I'm not talking about cats like Paris or Boots Riley ;)
But for some reason they ain't labeled as "content rappers"....
I assume it's because their production is funk inspired not jazz :P :-X it beats me. :-[
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I voted for content. The flow is something that can be fine-tuned but the content for the most part stays the same with most rappers. Of course, this has a lot to do with selling records(selling out) and label intervention and the fact that most rappers are not the smartest muthafuckas out there. So content is far more important in the overall scheme of things like how the culture is perceived and how it negatively effects and encourages ridiculous behavior at times.
so to you content can make up for a whack flow?
Depends on the content and what kinda flow they have. Give me an example.
I voted for content.
The flow is something that can be fine-tuned but the content for the most part stays the same with most rappers.
Of course, this has a lot to do with selling records(selling out) and label intervention and the fact that most rappers are not the smartest muthafuckas out there.
So content is far more important in the overall scheme of things like how the culture is perceived and how it negatively effects and encourages ridiculous behavior at times.
For some reason (most of) these "so called content rappers" got "monotonous flow"....
No passion in their delivery :-\.....
I'm not talking about cats like Paris or Boots Riley ;)
But for some reason they ain't labeled as "content rappers"....
I assume it's because their production is funk inspired not jazz :P :-X it beats me. :-[
Yeah someone like Common has good content but it's hard to sit through an entire album of his. And obviously there are others.
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I voted for content. The flow is something that can be fine-tuned but the content for the most part stays the same with most rappers. Of course, this has a lot to do with selling records(selling out) and label intervention and the fact that most rappers are not the smartest muthafuckas out there. So content is far more important in the overall scheme of things like how the culture is perceived and how it negatively effects and encourages ridiculous behavior at times.
so to you content can make up for a whack flow?
Depends on the content and what kinda flow they have. Give me an example.
I voted for content.
The flow is something that can be fine-tuned but the content for the most part stays the same with most rappers.
Of course, this has a lot to do with selling records(selling out) and label intervention and the fact that most rappers are not the smartest muthafuckas out there.
So content is far more important in the overall scheme of things like how the culture is perceived and how it negatively effects and encourages ridiculous behavior at times.
For some reason (most of) these "so called content rappers" got "monotonous flow"....
No passion in their delivery :-\.....
I'm not talking about cats like Paris or Boots Riley ;)
But for some reason they ain't labeled as "content rappers"....
I assume it's because their production is funk inspired not jazz :P :-X it beats me. :-[
Yeah someone like Common has good content but it's hard to sit through an entire album of his. And obviously there are others.
that's not true !!!!!
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I voted for content. The flow is something that can be fine-tuned but the content for the most part stays the same with most rappers. Of course, this has a lot to do with selling records(selling out) and label intervention and the fact that most rappers are not the smartest muthafuckas out there. So content is far more important in the overall scheme of things like how the culture is perceived and how it negatively effects and encourages ridiculous behavior at times.
so to you content can make up for a whack flow?
Depends on the content and what kinda flow they have. Give me an example.
I voted for content.
The flow is something that can be fine-tuned but the content for the most part stays the same with most rappers.
Of course, this has a lot to do with selling records(selling out) and label intervention and the fact that most rappers are not the smartest muthafuckas out there.
So content is far more important in the overall scheme of things like how the culture is perceived and how it negatively effects and encourages ridiculous behavior at times.
For some reason (most of) these "so called content rappers" got "monotonous flow"....
No passion in their delivery :-\.....
I'm not talking about cats like Paris or Boots Riley ;)
But for some reason they ain't labeled as "content rappers"....
I assume it's because their production is funk inspired not jazz :P :-X it beats me. :-[
Yeah someone like Common has good content but it's hard to sit through an entire album of his.
And obviously there are others.
I canīt sit trough even one track :P.... The first track on "Be" got a dope beat.... thatīs all that kept me listening.... the rest of that album was a snooze fest :-\
So if you ask me his "content" donīt make up for his boring flow :P
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I voted for content. The flow is something that can be fine-tuned but the content for the most part stays the same with most rappers. Of course, this has a lot to do with selling records(selling out) and label intervention and the fact that most rappers are not the smartest muthafuckas out there. So content is far more important in the overall scheme of things like how the culture is perceived and how it negatively effects and encourages ridiculous behavior at times.
so to you content can make up for a whack flow?
Depends on the content and what kinda flow they have. Give me an example.
I voted for content.
The flow is something that can be fine-tuned but the content for the most part stays the same with most rappers.
Of course, this has a lot to do with selling records(selling out) and label intervention and the fact that most rappers are not the smartest muthafuckas out there.
So content is far more important in the overall scheme of things like how the culture is perceived and how it negatively effects and encourages ridiculous behavior at times.
For some reason (most of) these "so called content rappers" got "monotonous flow"....
No passion in their delivery :-\.....
I'm not talking about cats like Paris or Boots Riley ;)
But for some reason they ain't labeled as "content rappers"....
I assume it's because their production is funk inspired not jazz :P :-X it beats me. :-[
Yeah someone like Common has good content but it's hard to sit through an entire album of his.
And obviously there are others.
I canīt sit trough even one track :P.... The first track on "Be" got a dope beat.... thatīs all that kept me listening.... the rest of that album was a snooze fest :-\
So if you ask me his "content" donīt make up for his boring flow :P
damn that's dissapointing to hear.
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I voted for content. The flow is something that can be fine-tuned but the content for the most part stays the same with most rappers. Of course, this has a lot to do with selling records(selling out) and label intervention and the fact that most rappers are not the smartest muthafuckas out there. So content is far more important in the overall scheme of things like how the culture is perceived and how it negatively effects and encourages ridiculous behavior at times.
so to you content can make up for a whack flow?
Depends on the content and what kinda flow they have. Give me an example.
I voted for content.
The flow is something that can be fine-tuned but the content for the most part stays the same with most rappers.
Of course, this has a lot to do with selling records(selling out) and label intervention and the fact that most rappers are not the smartest muthafuckas out there.
So content is far more important in the overall scheme of things like how the culture is perceived and how it negatively effects and encourages ridiculous behavior at times.
For some reason (most of) these "so called content rappers" got "monotonous flow"....
No passion in their delivery :-\.....
I'm not talking about cats like Paris or Boots Riley ;)
But for some reason they ain't labeled as "content rappers"....
I assume it's because their production is funk inspired not jazz :P :-X it beats me. :-[
Yeah someone like Common has good content but it's hard to sit through an entire album of his. And obviously there are others.
that's not true !!!!!
What's not true?
Chad: what about some of his earlier work like Resurrection?
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I voted for content. The flow is something that can be fine-tuned but the content for the most part stays the same with most rappers. Of course, this has a lot to do with selling records(selling out) and label intervention and the fact that most rappers are not the smartest muthafuckas out there. So content is far more important in the overall scheme of things like how the culture is perceived and how it negatively effects and encourages ridiculous behavior at times.
so to you content can make up for a whack flow?
Depends on the content and what kinda flow they have. Give me an example.
I voted for content.
The flow is something that can be fine-tuned but the content for the most part stays the same with most rappers.
Of course, this has a lot to do with selling records(selling out) and label intervention and the fact that most rappers are not the smartest muthafuckas out there.
So content is far more important in the overall scheme of things like how the culture is perceived and how it negatively effects and encourages ridiculous behavior at times.
For some reason (most of) these "so called content rappers" got "monotonous flow"....
No passion in their delivery :-\.....
I'm not talking about cats like Paris or Boots Riley ;)
But for some reason they ain't labeled as "content rappers"....
I assume it's because their production is funk inspired not jazz :P :-X it beats me. :-[
Yeah someone like Common has good content but it's hard to sit through an entire album of his.
And obviously there are others.
I canīt sit trough even one track :P.... The first track on "Be" got a dope beat.... thatīs all that kept me listening.... the rest of that album was a snooze fest :-\
So if you ask me his "content" donīt make up for his boring flow :P
damn that's dissapointing to hear.
Itīs all a opinion though,thereīs probably rappers out there that canīt keep your attention either for some reason... be it their content,their flow or voice. ;)
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true but they got to be at least wack.
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What's the purpose of having a tight flow if you are constantly spitting verbal garbage. Same thing with content, you could be saying the realest words ever spoken, but if it sounds like a garbled mess on the beat, I'm not listening. They go hand in hand, ain't no separation for me.
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I would say that flow is more important. I can't listen to some lil wayne faggots even if he would have good lyrics. Everything should be in balance though, that's for sure.
agreed
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I dont think Common was the best example, Mos Def is
flow is more important to me
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Content is the most important when creating music. You need to get your ideas across, what you want to say within a time limit. Aside from Supernatural, I do not know of any rapper that can spit for a good damn 30 minutes. Flow outruns content in a flash second. Without a flow, you can't make metaphors, punch lines, rhyme schemes or even take a breath.
Being a lyricist, I know how hard it is to balance both content and flow in a single verse. If you want to prove to them you the shit, by all means, bring out the weaponry, the wits, but how to use them is the challenge. You can't just throw shit to the listener as garbage. Consider your bars and the way you deliver them to a degree before you put anything on wax. Otherwise, your content will be all off, and your overall flow will meander like a drunkard.
Generally, it's flow. If you want ultimate artistry, you need both.
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the essence of a good MC, is being dope lyrically and having a good flow.
i can enjoy a mcs lyrics at times if they have a somewhat "boring" but
interesting flow(mastah killah comes to mind), as long as they have
dope thought provoking lyrics, or really visual lyrics.
however theres plenty of mcs i listen to who have good flows or "swagger"
as the kids call it these days, but absolutely no lyrical prowess.
i wouldn't say either is more important then the other, they're equally
as important. where would tupac and biggie have been if they didn't have
those unique flows, but backed with mad lyrical content.
with that sad, eminems older shit, and nas are the best flows in hip hop.
straight up, on beat, on point, catchy and understandable.
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i wouldn't say either is more important then the other, they're equally
as important. where would tupac and biggie have been if they didn't have
those unique flows, but backed with mad lyrical content.
with that sad, eminems older shit, and nas are the best flows in hip hop.
straight up, on beat, on point, catchy and understandable.
Eminem's flows got crazier and doper in my opinion as he's gone on - he only had that one battle flow he always used with punchlines on the first couple of albums mainly
Biggie had a cool flow, it wasn't crazy, but it changed up enough to make it interesting
2Pac I think had a pretty dull flow, but he wasn't about the flow at all, he was more about a passionate delivery and painting a picture
I think dudes like Nas, Jay-Z, Common have the most boring flows that I fall asleep to - they're always the same and don't do anything interesting most of the time - I've never heard a dope Nas flow, it's just like he's talking most of the time, so it's lucky he has dope content!
Common had a doper flow back on Resurrection, he was playing around with the rhythms and shit a bit more, and Jay-Z occasionally does something interesting with the flow, but not very often
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Eminem's flows got crazier and doper in my opinion as he's gone on - he only had that one battle flow he always used with punchlines on the first couple of albums mainly
yeah True!!
but I kinda view Eminem as one of the few rappers that has both flow and content!
Though at times, i wish he'd do more content laden tracks, than just flow!
but of late he has been failing in both categories!
His older stuff, proves IMO that he had both technique's in the palm of both hands..
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Chad Vader: what Talib album have you heard? because since Reflection Eternal he improved his style pretty much
and why is flow more important to me, because usually when I listen to music I am doing something else, like browsing dubcc and I dont pay big attention to lyrics so I cant listen to some boring rapper, but that doesnt mean I dont know what they are rhyming about ;)
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Chad: what about some of his earlier work like Resurrection?
Don't believe I heard that one.... if for some reason the beats is tight on that one,I'm not sure if that's enough to keep my attention.
Beats can (at times) save the most shitty,wak and/or boring rappers out there.... but to save Common... ehhh the beats better be some crazy ass shit. :laugh:
What's the purpose of having a tight flow if you are constantly spitting verbal garbage.
Same thing with content, you could be saying the realest words ever spoken, but if it sounds like a garbled mess on the beat, I'm not listening.
They go hand in hand, ain't no separation for me.
What about a cat like Kurupt?
-Hardly any content (most of the time)
-A lot of "big words"
-A lot of cursing
-Then some name drops....
That's basicilly Kurupt for you. You could say he spits;
verbal garbage
so I would argue that a "non content" rapper like Kurupt,still could get away "just" flow and delivery.
Itīs all a opinion though,thereīs probably rappers out there that canīt keep your attention either for some reason... be it their content,their flow or voice. ;)
true but they got to be at least wack.
like?
I dont think Common was the best example, Mos Def is
same shit..... ;)
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=187292.msg1930694#msg1930694
Chad Vader: what Talib album have you heard? because since Reflection Eternal he improved his style pretty much
Reflection Eternal..... Iīve heard him on Hi-Tekīs albums after that + on;
The Coup feat; Black Thought & Talib Kweli canīt say Iīm impressed.... I love this song though;
http://www.youtube.com/v/N_5iRLn91TM&hl=en
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Eminem's flows got crazier and doper in my opinion as he's gone on - he only had that one battle flow he always used with punchlines on the first couple of albums mainly
if it weren't for Encore i would have agreed with you :P
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Chad Vager: yeah, everyone on this song ripped it, try Ear Drum, I'm sure you'll like it, or just some singles, Hostile Gospel 1 and More or Less
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First of all i voted both because at the end of the day, u can flow and flow but if your shit ends up like encore, imma take an album from one these so called 'boring flow' rappers like nas and jigga like someone said in a hilarious statement.
As for Content and flow...Nas has it..Content is dope and makes good music, flows to his shit and thats why he is one of the greats...not just based on content but because of his flow...anyone telling you nas cant flow dont know shit about nas and his history.
Second jigga, not a fan but again, dude got flow and while i dont like him personally, his content is not terrible.
Bishop is kinda a 50/50...is he a content based rapper or flow based rapper?....grow up would suggest dude thinks his content...but then the initial first single was 'feel on it' and that was all about flow and jamming to music, though it failed...it was in complete contrast to 'grow up'...im not big on bishop right now anyway
Also alot depends on what music you're making and how important content is for that type of music...if you're making a club joint, your content better fit a club joint...if your making a street gangsta joint...again, your content better fit that...same with more realistic/deep stuff but its about content which fits for the aim of the joint and making sure the flow is right.
Someone said something along the lines of flow can make up for poor content and i agree, but many things can make up for many things...a super dope beat can hide a weak flow..amazing content can hide an average flow...and thats why i voted both because at the end of the day, many things make a great song and content,flow, beat etc all make a great joint for me.
Eminem cant hid from the fact that encore was terrible regardless of his flow...but again, thats one one example, i could give many but the basic thing is...
Content and flow, both important imo...
Dope topic
pz
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Flow all the way....i mean i could blast Biggie and Pun all day long not even listening to the lyrics cause their flow is on a whole nother level.
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Both but content is more important than flow to me because u can ride the hell out of a beat but say some bull shit.
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Everything should be in balance though, that's for sure.
Yeah but if I HAD to choose I'd go with flow. Flow without any real lyrical content is listenable IMO (especially with a hot beat) but I can't stand it when it's the other way around.
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I'd say it depends on my mood, what I wanna listen to at that moment.
But I gotta choose content, cause that's the most important about music for me.
Word.
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Both. You gotta say some fresh shit (content) while presentin it in a catchy way (flow)
Chuuuuch!
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Chad Vader: yeah, everyone on this song ripped it, try Ear Drum, I'm sure you'll like it, or just some singles, Hostile Gospel 1 and More or Less
I found these; (is those right?)
Hostile Gospel 1.5 (remix)
http://www.youtube.com/v/XAfwI7Oslc0&hl=en
^^^ the beat is cool...... Talibīs flow is a little different on that,a little wild to be him :laugh: :laugh: ... it's alright ;) ^^^^
Talib Kweli - More or Less
http://www.youtube.com/v/JHIGKOpefBw&hl=en
^^^Dope video,dope lyrics..... but the beat,hook and flow don't move me :-\ ;) ^^^^
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Flow over lyrics look at game he aint saying much but it sounds dope
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Flow over lyrics look at game he aint saying much but it sounds dope
lol, Game having a dope flow? :D
he doesn't even have one of his own ;)
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lol @ you saying Game don't have flow, he has one of the best
Chad Vader: that first song ain't Talib ;)
http://www.youtube.com/v/lOqf6wxLcnU
http://www.youtube.com/v/1s40J0N5CxE
http://www.youtube.com/v/Qm-sVVXVMJI
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Chad Vader: that first song ain't Talib ;)
yeah... I figured something was wrong because; (as I said)
Talibīs flow is a little different on that,a little wild to be him
and to tell you the truth... that cat (whoever it is) sounds/flows "better" (in my ears :laugh: :laugh:)
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lol @ you saying Game don't have flow, he has one of the best
nah lol @ you for saying that :laugh:
Game is trying to sound like a lot of people; sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't ;)
but he doesn't have his own flow if you know what i mean.
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I know what you mean, but you're not right, he sounds like Cube on few tracks, or like Nas and Jigga, but not everytime
who's flow is copying on West Really, California Soul, One Night...?
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I know what you mean, but you're not right, he sounds like Cube on few tracks, or like Nas and Jigga, but not everytime
who's flow is copying on West Really, California Soul, One Night...?
it doesn't matter who, i got my point across ;)