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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: pootypooty on August 04, 2008, 04:27:42 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/v/zqlBUj9bFC4&hl=en&fs=1
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looks like hes still got a nice lookin shot....he would prolly still school half the guys in the league now
But for real, NOBODY is or was better than 23 in his prime.
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But for real, NOBODY is or was better than 23 in his prime.
Let Kobe finish his prime; holla back THEN.
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But for real, NOBODY is or was better than 23 in his prime.
Let Kobe finish his prime; holla back THEN.
After these recent Finals you cant say that anymore. I was so disappointed and embarrassed for Kobe in the Finals, what a non-factor he was, in game 6 they lost by 40 fuckin points, can you imagine Michael Jordan ever letting that happen, let alone in the Finals. Paul Pierce dominated Kobe in the Finals, Pierce shitted all over Kobe the whole series, lets talk about who is better between Kobe and Pierce, not MJ and Kobe, dont disrespect MJ like that.
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Jordan is the greatest ... plain and simple
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Jordan is the greatest ... plain and simple
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Jordan's NBA career in a nutshell. 8)
* Five-time NBA Most Valuable Player (1987-88, 1990-91, 1991-92, 1995-96, 1997-98)
* Ten-time All-NBA First Team selection (1986-87 to 1992-93, 1995-96 to 1997-98)
* Selected in 1996 as one of the "50 Greatest Players in NBA History"
* A member of six Chicago Bulls NBA championship teams (1990-91, 1991-92, 1992-93, 1995-96, 1996-97 and 1997-98)
* Six-time NBA Finals Most Valuable Player
* The 1987-88 NBA Defensive Player of the Year and record nine-time NBA All-Defensive First Team selection (1987-88 to 1992-93, 1995-96 to 1997-98)
* Entering 2002-03, ranked first in NBA history in scoring average (31.0 ppg), second in steals (2,391), fourth in points (30,652) and in field-goals made (11,513), fifth in free-throws made (7,061), sixth in field-goals attempted (23,010) and eighth in free-throws attempted (8,448)
* Closed the 1997-98 season as the Bulls' all-time franchise leader in points, rebounds (5,836), assists (5,012), steals, games (930), field-goals made and attempted and free-throws made and attempted (8,115)
* Holds the NBA record for most seasons leading the league in scoring (10)
* Shares the NBA record with Wilt Chamberlain for most consecutive seasons leading the league in scoring (seven, 1986-87 to 1992-93)
* Holds the NBA record for most consecutive games scoring in double-digits (842)
* Holds the NBA record for most seasons leading the league in field-goals made (10) and attempted (10)
* Led the NBA in steals in 1987-88 (3.16 spg), 1989-90 (2.77 spg) and 1992-93 (2.83 spg)
* Holds the NBA single-game records for most free-throws made in one half (20 against the Miami Heat on 12/30/92) and most most free-throws attempted in one half (23 in the same game)
* Shares the NBA single-game records for most free-throws made in one quarter (14 against the Utah Jazz on 11/15/89 and against the Miami Heat on 12/30/92) and most free-throws attempted in one quarter (23 against the Miami Heat on 12/30/92)
* Holds the NBA Finals record for highest single-series scoring average (41.0 ppg in 1993)
* Entering the 2002-03 season, ranks as the all-time NBA Finals leader in three-pointers made (42), second in three-point attempts (114), third in points (1,176), fourth in steals (62), fifth in field-goals made (438), sixth in assists (209) and free-throws made (258), seventh in field-goals attempted (911) and eighth in free-throws attempted (320)
* Holds the NBA Playoffs record for highest career scoring average (33.4 ppg)
* Established an NBA Playoffs record with 63 points against the Boston Celtics on 5/20/86
* Entering the 2002-03 season ranks as the all-time NBA Playoffs leader in field-goals attempted (4,497), free-throws made (1,463) and attempted (1,766), second in steals (376) and field-goals made (2,188), fifth in assists (1,022), seventh in three-point attempts (446) and ninth in three-pointers made (148)
* Recorded two playoff career triple-doubles, both against the New York Knicks (5/9/89 and 6/2/93)
* Participated in 13 NBA All-Star Games (1985, 1987-1993, 1996-98, 2002-03), starting 13 times, and missed another due to injury
* Named the MVP of the 1988, 1996 and 1998 NBA All-Star Games
* All-time NBA All-Star Game leader in steals (35) and ranks second in field-goal attempts (206), third in points (242), fourth in scoring average (20.2 ppg), and eighth in assists (52)
* Notched the first triple-double in All-Star Game history, with 14 points, 11 rebounds and 11 assists, in the 1997 NBA All-Star Game in Cleveland
* Won the Slam Dunk Contest in 1987 and 1988, also participating in 1985
* Notched his 28th career triple-double, with 30 points, 11 rebounds and 10 assists, against the Toronto Raptors on 4/14/97
* Returned from retirement against the Indiana Pacers on 3/19/95 and posted 19 points, six rebounds, six assists and three steals in 43 minutes
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BTW, in the video when he says "I have a better chance at stopping him than him stopping me" is a direct reference to MJ's defensive ability. The stats don't lie.
* The 1987-88 NBA Defensive Player of the Year and record nine-time NBA All-Defensive First Team selection (1987-88 to 1992-93, 1995-96 to 1997-98)
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But for real, NOBODY is or was better than 23 in his prime.
Let Kobe finish his prime; holla back THEN.
After these recent Finals you cant say that anymore. I was so disappointed and embarrassed for Kobe in the Finals, what a non-factor he was, in game 6 they lost by 40 fuckin points, can you imagine Michael Jordan ever letting that happen, let alone in the Finals. Paul Pierce dominated Kobe in the Finals, Pierce shitted all over Kobe the whole series, lets talk about who is better between Kobe and Pierce, not MJ and Kobe, dont disrespect MJ like that.
LMAO@comparing Kobe to Pierce. why must you always be so off? MJ in Kobe's shoes (2nd best player and 2nd best perimeter defender going down mid-season) = no chance he would have even made the Finals..Using the Boston series as a reason to down-talk Kobe's legacy when the team struggled AS A WHOLE is pathetic. Jordan was great, but he didn't win with battered, underachieving squads.
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MJ is the g.o.a.t
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MJ is the greatest hands down. It's not even close.
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^If it weren't close, the question wouldn't be posed. Old man is trying to protect his legacy. You know he hated when 81 happened, and especially 62 in 3 quarters. The games where MJ scored 60+ points were overtime games and to see Kobe doing it in 3 quarters shook his ego up. Mike is not going to say that Kobe is better than him, he's narcistic. The "not close" argument is null and void until Kobe retires.
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^If it weren't close, the question wouldn't be posed. Old man is trying to protect his legacy. You know he hated when 81 happened, and especially 62 in 3 quarters. The games where MJ scored 60+ points were overtime games and to see Kobe doing it in 3 quarters shook his ego up. Mike is not going to say that Kobe is better than him, he's narcistic. The "not close" argument is null and void until Kobe retires.
they used to compare vince and AI to MJ
people already are comparing lebron to MJ
t-mac used to have the hype way way back
its common
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Kobe Bryant Career Season Avg.
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Michael Jordan Career Season Avg.
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Kobe Bryant Career Totals
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Michael Jordan Career Totals
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^If it weren't close, the question wouldn't be posed. Old man is trying to protect his legacy. You know he hated when 81 happened, and especially 62 in 3 quarters. The games where MJ scored 60+ points were overtime games and to see Kobe doing it in 3 quarters shook his ego up. Mike is not going to say that Kobe is better than him, he's narcistic. The "not close" argument is null and void until Kobe retires.
they used to compare vince and AI to MJ
people already are comparing lebron to MJ
t-mac used to have the hype way way back
its common
when do you remember people arguing that AI and Vince are better than Jordan? do you really think someone would ever ask MJ "who would win between you and Vince Carter?"...LOL
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Kobe Bryant Career Season Avg.
(http://img365.imageshack.us/img365/4567/kobecareerseasonavgyl1.jpg)
Michael Jordan Career Season Avg.
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Kobe Bryant Career Totals
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Michael Jordan Career Totals
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Gee, lets compare their career totals when Kobe came into the league out of high school, playing minimal minutes behind Eddie Jones in his first couple seasons...fair, right? Kobe has years of prime basketball ahead of him...stop with the unbalanced stat comparisons.
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Gee, lets compare their career totals when Kobe came into the league out of high school, playing minimal minutes behind Eddie Jones in his first couple seasons...fair, right? Kobe has years of prime basketball ahead of him...stop with the unbalanced stat comparisons.
No need to get butthurt. It's obvious that you're biased, and that's cool. I ain't even trying to prove or disprove either player's credibility here, so chillax.
For all intents & purposes it helps to put each player's career in perspective from a statistical standpoint. Take it for what it is.
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Kobe Bryant Career Season Avg.
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Michael Jordan Career Season Avg.
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Kobe Bryant Career Totals
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Michael Jordan Career Totals
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Gee, lets compare their career totals when Kobe came into the league out of high school, playing minimal minutes behind Eddie Jones in his first couple seasons...fair, right? Kobe has years of prime basketball ahead of him...stop with the unbalanced stat comparisons.
yeah, but when you take OUT Kobe's first two seasons....Jordan still has better stats (averagewise). If anything, that would put Kobe at an advantage for his years AFTER the first two....he got a taste of the league earlier then Jordan. Not to mention, that would still include Jordans time with the Wizards where his stats dipped alot.
On a side note, its silly to argue this lol. Jordan was obviously better then Kobe. Kobe fans like to argue this because even an argument as to whos better gives Kobe more credit then he deserves. He's the second best 2 guard ever....but still not near Jordan.
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Kobe is not on the same level as jordan, no way.....jordan is the GOAT hands down, easily he shits on kobe, when has kobe led the league in scoring and won defensive player of the year? In the same season? People keep talking about kobes 81 point game, yeah it was unbeliable but it was "1" basketball game.
Jordan averaged more points than kobe on a higher shooting percentage, in fact quite a higher perecentage over there careers near to 5% higher which is MAJOR
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mj is to basket ball what tiger is to golf, what gretzky is to hockey, the best, and by far. On top of that people really love him cuz he was a mvp off the court 2, a gentleman
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kobe's good, but you can't compare him with mj lol... stop it already
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Kobe Bryant Career Season Avg.
(http://img365.imageshack.us/img365/4567/kobecareerseasonavgyl1.jpg)
Michael Jordan Career Season Avg.
(http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/4072/michaeljordancareeravgao4.jpg)
Kobe Bryant Career Totals
(http://img365.imageshack.us/img365/2211/kobecareerseasontotalsqn8.jpg)
Michael Jordan Career Totals
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Gee, lets compare their career totals when Kobe came into the league out of high school, playing minimal minutes behind Eddie Jones in his first couple seasons...fair, right? Kobe has years of prime basketball ahead of him...stop with the unbalanced stat comparisons.
yeah, but when you take OUT Kobe's first two seasons....Jordan still has better stats (averagewise). If anything, that would put Kobe at an advantage for his years AFTER the first two....he got a taste of the league earlier then Jordan. Not to mention, that would still include Jordans time with the Wizards where his stats dipped alot.
On a side note, its silly to argue this lol. Jordan was obviously better then Kobe. Kobe fans like to argue this because even an argument as to whos better gives Kobe more credit then he deserves. He's the second best 2 guard ever....but still not near Jordan.
Jordan's numbers would not be the same had he played most of his career with Shaq. Look at Kobe's averages the last three seasons to get an idea of how his career stats would look minus Shaq. Kobe is beyond being on pace to being the GOAT...a couple more rings will put him there, and there's no doubt in my mind that he's bringing more 'ships to LA.
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mj is to basket ball what tiger is to golf, what gretzky is to hockey, the best, and by far. On top of that people really love him cuz he was a mvp off the court 2, a gentleman
that's 100% true...if MJ=Magic Johnson. ;)
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Kobe is not on the same level as jordan, no way.....jordan is the GOAT hands down, easily he shits on kobe, when has kobe led the league in scoring and won defensive player of the year? In the same season? People keep talking about kobes 81 point game, yeah it was unbeliable but it was "1" basketball game.
Jordan averaged more points than kobe on a higher shooting percentage, in fact quite a higher perecentage over there careers near to 5% higher which is MAJOR
Jordan had Pippen to rely on defensively...Kobe has been the only legit perimeter defender on the Lakers for some time, so that's not really a fair comparison. Kobe has his share of first team all-defenses and would average more points had he been in Jordan's shoes (handed over the team from day one with no obstacles to overcome). The higher shooting percentage is tricking you, because most of Jordan's point came from close range (MJ didn't have a three ball like Kobe, which naturally drops a shooting percentage). Fact of the matter is, Kobe can do things that only Kobe could do...to say he's not on par with Jordan isn't fair. to say he's not close is a joke...PeAcE
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mj is to basket ball what tiger is to golf, what gretzky is to hockey, the best, and by far. On top of that people really love him cuz he was a mvp off the court 2, a gentleman
that's 100% true...if MJ=Magic Johnson. ;)
nah, was talking about michael jackson
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Jordan knew how to keep his girls quiet
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Kobe Bryant Career Season Avg.
(http://img365.imageshack.us/img365/4567/kobecareerseasonavgyl1.jpg)
Michael Jordan Career Season Avg.
(http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/4072/michaeljordancareeravgao4.jpg)
Kobe Bryant Career Totals
(http://img365.imageshack.us/img365/2211/kobecareerseasontotalsqn8.jpg)
Michael Jordan Career Totals
(http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/989/michaeljordancareertotapr1.jpg)
Gee, lets compare their career totals when Kobe came into the league out of high school, playing minimal minutes behind Eddie Jones in his first couple seasons...fair, right? Kobe has years of prime basketball ahead of him...stop with the unbalanced stat comparisons.
yeah, but when you take OUT Kobe's first two seasons....Jordan still has better stats (averagewise). If anything, that would put Kobe at an advantage for his years AFTER the first two....he got a taste of the league earlier then Jordan. Not to mention, that would still include Jordans time with the Wizards where his stats dipped alot.
On a side note, its silly to argue this lol. Jordan was obviously better then Kobe. Kobe fans like to argue this because even an argument as to whos better gives Kobe more credit then he deserves. He's the second best 2 guard ever....but still not near Jordan.
Jordan's numbers would not be the same had he played most of his career with Shaq.
oooooh....bad move bringing that up. I almost forgot. So youre right. Not only are Jordans stats better....but if you take Shaq out of the equation, Jordan would have 6 more rings then Kobe.
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Kobe Bryant Career Season Avg.
(http://img365.imageshack.us/img365/4567/kobecareerseasonavgyl1.jpg)
Michael Jordan Career Season Avg.
(http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/4072/michaeljordancareeravgao4.jpg)
Kobe Bryant Career Totals
(http://img365.imageshack.us/img365/2211/kobecareerseasontotalsqn8.jpg)
Michael Jordan Career Totals
(http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/989/michaeljordancareertotapr1.jpg)
Gee, lets compare their career totals when Kobe came into the league out of high school, playing minimal minutes behind Eddie Jones in his first couple seasons...fair, right? Kobe has years of prime basketball ahead of him...stop with the unbalanced stat comparisons.
yeah, but when you take OUT Kobe's first two seasons....Jordan still has better stats (averagewise). If anything, that would put Kobe at an advantage for his years AFTER the first two....he got a taste of the league earlier then Jordan. Not to mention, that would still include Jordans time with the Wizards where his stats dipped alot.
On a side note, its silly to argue this lol. Jordan was obviously better then Kobe. Kobe fans like to argue this because even an argument as to whos better gives Kobe more credit then he deserves. He's the second best 2 guard ever....but still not near Jordan.
Jordan's numbers would not be the same had he played most of his career with Shaq.
oooooh....bad move bringing that up. I almost forgot. So youre right. Not only are Jordans stats better....but if you take Shaq out of the equation, Jordan would have 6 more rings then Kobe.
Pippen was a better compliment to Jordan than Shaq woulda been...Jordan was too egotistical to co-exist with someone like Shaq. Both players need to have it their way. Kobe was able to adapt, he was able to defer to Shaq's ego in order to win, including when the coaching staff wanted different and including the seasons where his MVP candidacy was higher than Shaq's. Kobe is also known to have a stronger work-ethic than Jordan, who also had an amazing work-ethic, but even those who have seen MJ train say Kobe's easily the hardest worker this league has ever seen. If you think Kobe's not on pace to being GOAT, then you're simply not being fair with your arguments.
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you say that the reason kobes percentage was lower was becaue he had a 3-ball and that jordan shot from close rage, that dosent matter at all. he shot at a way better perecentage and avaraged more points, it doset matter where the shot is taken from, he still avaraged more points even tho kobe had a 3-bll, which ndeed was only 4% higher than jordans over there careers. if the 3-ball mattered or was of significance then kobe would avarage more points than jordan
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you say that the reason kobes percentage was lower was becaue he had a 3-ball and that jordan shot from close rage, that dosent matter at all. he shot at a way better perecentage and avaraged more points, it doset matter where the shot is taken from, he still avaraged more points even tho kobe had a 3-bll, which ndeed was only 4% higher than jordans over there careers. if the 3-ball mattered or was of significance then kobe would avarage more points than jordan
Of course he averaged more points...he didn't have a player that demanded he defer to him throughout most his career ala Shaq. And yes, having more range drastically decreases your percentage. Anything above 30% from three point range is considered good, where as having a 40% overall fg% would be terrible. How is Kobe having a better stroke not an advantage over Jordan? It is common sense that three point shooters will have a lower percentage than players who's shot isn't as reliable as their strength in the paint. Kobe has both strengths, and he does settle for a lot of jumpers, but his shot AND drive to the paint are better than Jordan's. If we were going based off of you argument, Shaq>MJ, because of the fg% discrepency. Do you realize how dumb that is?
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dont get me wrong i see what your saying but my argument is that in this kobe v jordan case it would only be good if kobe was averaging more points than jordan. id rather a player shoot 10/20 FG with no 3's then a player shooting 8/20 with 2 3's. do you see what im saying? if kobe was averaging the same points as jordan but on a higher 3pt percentage than jordan then i could see how the 3pt shot would be beneficial as it would be harder to guard a player who avaraged 35pts but had a 3pt shot rather than avaraging 35pts without a 3pt shot. i think thats what your saying tho right? that kobe is better offensivley because its harder to match up defensivley with a player with an inside and outside game?
but in my argument i think an argument could be made between shaq and iverson if a players offensive contributuion is based on 3pt percentage. during shaqs higher scoring years he was avaraging basically the same as iverson (29-30ppg). Shaq only needed half the shots iverson did even tho iverson had the 3pt shot. thats what made shaq (LA years) and jordan so good and so dominant offensivley because they have such a high effeciency on there shots to points ratio.
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Kobe Bryant Career Season Avg.
(http://img365.imageshack.us/img365/4567/kobecareerseasonavgyl1.jpg)
Michael Jordan Career Season Avg.
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Kobe Bryant Career Totals
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Michael Jordan Career Totals
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Gee, lets compare their career totals when Kobe came into the league out of high school, playing minimal minutes behind Eddie Jones in his first couple seasons...fair, right? Kobe has years of prime basketball ahead of him...stop with the unbalanced stat comparisons.
yeah, but when you take OUT Kobe's first two seasons....Jordan still has better stats (averagewise). If anything, that would put Kobe at an advantage for his years AFTER the first two....he got a taste of the league earlier then Jordan. Not to mention, that would still include Jordans time with the Wizards where his stats dipped alot.
On a side note, its silly to argue this lol. Jordan was obviously better then Kobe. Kobe fans like to argue this because even an argument as to whos better gives Kobe more credit then he deserves. He's the second best 2 guard ever....but still not near Jordan.
Jordan's numbers would not be the same had he played most of his career with Shaq.
oooooh....bad move bringing that up. I almost forgot. So youre right. Not only are Jordans stats better....but if you take Shaq out of the equation, Jordan would have 6 more rings then Kobe.
Pippen was a better compliment to Jordan than Shaq woulda been...Jordan was too egotistical to co-exist with someone like Shaq. Both players need to have it their way. Kobe was able to adapt, he was able to defer to Shaq's ego in order to win, including when the coaching staff wanted different and including the seasons where his MVP candidacy was higher than Shaq's. Kobe is also known to have a stronger work-ethic than Jordan, who also had an amazing work-ethic, but even those who have seen MJ train say Kobe's easily the hardest worker this league has ever seen. If you think Kobe's not on pace to being GOAT, then you're simply not being fair with your arguments.
First off, Kobe did not have a choice but to defer to Shaq. Shaq was the focal point of that team. Its not like Kobe sat back and said, hey...im gonna let this be Shaq'a team so we can win lol. If that were the case...Shaq would still be in LA. As far as Kobe's work ethic. Its in the teams, and even the league's best interest really to argue on behalf of the CURRENT players. Its what keeps the league thriving, rather then fans always looking back to how good things USED to be. Even if by some wierd chance Kobe did have a better work ethic then Jordan....then that just goes to show how Jordans talents, and mental ability on the court were far higher then Kobe's....seeing as how Jordan is obviously the better player. Kobe is no on pace to being the GOAT. He's on pace to being the second best 2 guard of all time. Not that "on pace" ever means shit.
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Honestly
Jordan>>>>>KObe...forever TILL PROVEN OTHERWISE.
Understand that? There is no void or Null...Truth is Jordan is better till Kobe can prove he is.
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kobe is better offensivley because its harder to match up defensivley with a player with an inside and outside game?
Exactly...and also, Kobe would average 35+ ppg every year if that's what the team needed.
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Kobe Bryant Career Season Avg.
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Michael Jordan Career Season Avg.
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Kobe Bryant Career Totals
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Michael Jordan Career Totals
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Gee, lets compare their career totals when Kobe came into the league out of high school, playing minimal minutes behind Eddie Jones in his first couple seasons...fair, right? Kobe has years of prime basketball ahead of him...stop with the unbalanced stat comparisons.
yeah, but when you take OUT Kobe's first two seasons....Jordan still has better stats (averagewise). If anything, that would put Kobe at an advantage for his years AFTER the first two....he got a taste of the league earlier then Jordan. Not to mention, that would still include Jordans time with the Wizards where his stats dipped alot.
On a side note, its silly to argue this lol. Jordan was obviously better then Kobe. Kobe fans like to argue this because even an argument as to whos better gives Kobe more credit then he deserves. He's the second best 2 guard ever....but still not near Jordan.
Jordan's numbers would not be the same had he played most of his career with Shaq.
oooooh....bad move bringing that up. I almost forgot. So youre right. Not only are Jordans stats better....but if you take Shaq out of the equation, Jordan would have 6 more rings then Kobe.
Pippen was a better compliment to Jordan than Shaq woulda been...Jordan was too egotistical to co-exist with someone like Shaq. Both players need to have it their way. Kobe was able to adapt, he was able to defer to Shaq's ego in order to win, including when the coaching staff wanted different and including the seasons where his MVP candidacy was higher than Shaq's. Kobe is also known to have a stronger work-ethic than Jordan, who also had an amazing work-ethic, but even those who have seen MJ train say Kobe's easily the hardest worker this league has ever seen. If you think Kobe's not on pace to being GOAT, then you're simply not being fair with your arguments.
First off, Kobe did not have a choice but to defer to Shaq. Shaq was the focal point of that team. Its not like Kobe sat back and said, hey...im gonna let this be Shaq'a team so we can win lol. If that were the case...Shaq would still be in LA. As far as Kobe's work ethic. Its in the teams, and even the league's best interest really to argue on behalf of the CURRENT players. Its what keeps the league thriving, rather then fans always looking back to how good things USED to be. Even if by some wierd chance Kobe did have a better work ethic then Jordan....then that just goes to show how Jordans talents, and mental ability on the court were far higher then Kobe's....seeing as how Jordan is obviously the better player. Kobe is no on pace to being the GOAT. He's on pace to being the second best 2 guard of all time. Not that "on pace" ever means shit.
Wrong and wrong...in 2002, the coaching staff decided it was Kobe's turn to be the focal point of the team, but Shaq threatned to "not play defense or rebound". Shaq would NOT have still been a Laker, because the trade demande was over CONTRACT NEGOTIATIONS. Stop acting like you know what's up when you don't. LOL@Kobe having a stronger work ethic being weird by you definition. pathetic. all you do is speak off of ignorance. Kobe isn't "on pace" to being the 2nd greatest 2gurard, because he doesn't even have any competition for that. He's the greatest talent this game has seen and is on pace to proving it career-wise. Point blank.
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Jordan = Greatest Bball Player that has ever graced the court and that will never change i dont see kobe winning another 3 championships and i dont even have him winning the first 3 without shaq daddy, while jordan led them to 6 championships and has never lost in the finals whereas kobe has already lost twice and second time in a game where they were gettin demolished jordan would never lose that badly. Kobe nuthuggers can cry all they want and compare but it's never gonan change the fact that MJ is the GOAT.
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Kobe Bryant Career Season Avg.
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Michael Jordan Career Season Avg.
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Kobe Bryant Career Totals
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Michael Jordan Career Totals
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Gee, lets compare their career totals when Kobe came into the league out of high school, playing minimal minutes behind Eddie Jones in his first couple seasons...fair, right? Kobe has years of prime basketball ahead of him...stop with the unbalanced stat comparisons.
yeah, but when you take OUT Kobe's first two seasons....Jordan still has better stats (averagewise). If anything, that would put Kobe at an advantage for his years AFTER the first two....he got a taste of the league earlier then Jordan. Not to mention, that would still include Jordans time with the Wizards where his stats dipped alot.
On a side note, its silly to argue this lol. Jordan was obviously better then Kobe. Kobe fans like to argue this because even an argument as to whos better gives Kobe more credit then he deserves. He's the second best 2 guard ever....but still not near Jordan.
Jordan's numbers would not be the same had he played most of his career with Shaq.
oooooh....bad move bringing that up. I almost forgot. So youre right. Not only are Jordans stats better....but if you take Shaq out of the equation, Jordan would have 6 more rings then Kobe.
Pippen was a better compliment to Jordan than Shaq woulda been...Jordan was too egotistical to co-exist with someone like Shaq. Both players need to have it their way. Kobe was able to adapt, he was able to defer to Shaq's ego in order to win, including when the coaching staff wanted different and including the seasons where his MVP candidacy was higher than Shaq's. Kobe is also known to have a stronger work-ethic than Jordan, who also had an amazing work-ethic, but even those who have seen MJ train say Kobe's easily the hardest worker this league has ever seen. If you think Kobe's not on pace to being GOAT, then you're simply not being fair with your arguments.
First off, Kobe did not have a choice but to defer to Shaq. Shaq was the focal point of that team. Its not like Kobe sat back and said, hey...im gonna let this be Shaq'a team so we can win lol. If that were the case...Shaq would still be in LA. As far as Kobe's work ethic. Its in the teams, and even the league's best interest really to argue on behalf of the CURRENT players. Its what keeps the league thriving, rather then fans always looking back to how good things USED to be. Even if by some wierd chance Kobe did have a better work ethic then Jordan....then that just goes to show how Jordans talents, and mental ability on the court were far higher then Kobe's....seeing as how Jordan is obviously the better player. Kobe is no on pace to being the GOAT. He's on pace to being the second best 2 guard of all time. Not that "on pace" ever means shit.
Kobe isn't "on pace" to being the 2nd greatest 2gurard, because he doesn't even have any competition for that. He's the greatest talent this game has seen and is on pace to proving it career-wise. Point blank.
that says it all....lol
He for damn sure isnt "on pace" to be better then Jordan. So with that said, what is he on pace for? Second best 2 guard. At some point NIK you gotta understand what everybody else in their right mind already does. Kobe is nowhere near MJ's level, and more then likely wont be. He's in the prime of his career...and still not mentally on the level Jordan ever was. There is no reason to believe he'll make some drastic turnaround lol. You obviously are a fan of his, or more so....obsessed with him. So youre vision is completely clouded. You dont know how to look at this argument with an unbiased opinion. Dont you notice how it seems to be Laker (Kobe) fans vs the rest of the world when it comes to the Kobe vs MJ argument?? lol Whether its MJ fans.....Knick fans....Piston fans....Celtics fans.....doesnt matter. If they arent specifically cheering for Kobe, then they agree. MJ > Kobe....easily.
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Kobe Bryant Career Season Avg.
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Michael Jordan Career Season Avg.
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Kobe Bryant Career Totals
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Michael Jordan Career Totals
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Gee, lets compare their career totals when Kobe came into the league out of high school, playing minimal minutes behind Eddie Jones in his first couple seasons...fair, right? Kobe has years of prime basketball ahead of him...stop with the unbalanced stat comparisons.
yeah, but when you take OUT Kobe's first two seasons....Jordan still has better stats (averagewise). If anything, that would put Kobe at an advantage for his years AFTER the first two....he got a taste of the league earlier then Jordan. Not to mention, that would still include Jordans time with the Wizards where his stats dipped alot.
On a side note, its silly to argue this lol. Jordan was obviously better then Kobe. Kobe fans like to argue this because even an argument as to whos better gives Kobe more credit then he deserves. He's the second best 2 guard ever....but still not near Jordan.
Jordan's numbers would not be the same had he played most of his career with Shaq.
oooooh....bad move bringing that up. I almost forgot. So youre right. Not only are Jordans stats better....but if you take Shaq out of the equation, Jordan would have 6 more rings then Kobe.
Pippen was a better compliment to Jordan than Shaq woulda been...Jordan was too egotistical to co-exist with someone like Shaq. Both players need to have it their way. Kobe was able to adapt, he was able to defer to Shaq's ego in order to win, including when the coaching staff wanted different and including the seasons where his MVP candidacy was higher than Shaq's. Kobe is also known to have a stronger work-ethic than Jordan, who also had an amazing work-ethic, but even those who have seen MJ train say Kobe's easily the hardest worker this league has ever seen. If you think Kobe's not on pace to being GOAT, then you're simply not being fair with your arguments.
First off, Kobe did not have a choice but to defer to Shaq. Shaq was the focal point of that team. Its not like Kobe sat back and said, hey...im gonna let this be Shaq'a team so we can win lol. If that were the case...Shaq would still be in LA. As far as Kobe's work ethic. Its in the teams, and even the league's best interest really to argue on behalf of the CURRENT players. Its what keeps the league thriving, rather then fans always looking back to how good things USED to be. Even if by some wierd chance Kobe did have a better work ethic then Jordan....then that just goes to show how Jordans talents, and mental ability on the court were far higher then Kobe's....seeing as how Jordan is obviously the better player. Kobe is no on pace to being the GOAT. He's on pace to being the second best 2 guard of all time. Not that "on pace" ever means shit.
Kobe isn't "on pace" to being the 2nd greatest 2gurard, because he doesn't even have any competition for that. He's the greatest talent this game has seen and is on pace to proving it career-wise. Point blank.
that says it all....lol
He for damn sure isnt "on pace" to be better then Jordan. So with that said, what is he on pace for? Second best 2 guard. At some point NIK you gotta understand what everybody else in their right mind already does. Kobe is nowhere near MJ's level, and more then likely wont be. He's in the prime of his career...and still not mentally on the level Jordan ever was. There is no reason to believe he'll make some drastic turnaround lol. You obviously are a fan of his, or more so....obsessed with him. So youre vision is completely clouded. You dont know how to look at this argument with an unbiased opinion. Dont you notice how it seems to be Laker (Kobe) fans vs the rest of the world when it comes to the Kobe vs MJ argument?? lol Whether its MJ fans.....Knick fans....Piston fans....Celtics fans.....doesnt matter. If they arent specifically cheering for Kobe, then they agree. MJ > Kobe....easily.
your claims are irrational...many people out there have already acknowledge that if Kobe isn't better than Jordan, he's at least on his level...LOL@mentally. Do you even understand the impact of a guy like Kobe? Even when he's playing with the best players in the world for the USA Team, he's still leading the way and everyone is feeding off of HIM. To say he's not mentally near Jordan is unfounded and baseless. Saying their's not a chance he can end his career as the GOAT is being unfair.
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Jordan = Greatest Bball Player that has ever graced the court and that will never change i dont see kobe winning another 3 championships and i dont even have him winning the first 3 without shaq daddy, while jordan led them to 6 championships and has never lost in the finals whereas kobe has already lost twice and second time in a game where they were gettin demolished jordan would never lose that badly. Kobe nuthuggers can cry all they want and compare but it's never gonan change the fact that MJ is the GOAT.
Kobe will definitely win a few more NBA titles, no doubt in my mind. Jordan doesn't win without Pippen, so your point is null and void. Jordan had years where he didn't even make the playoffs, so saying "he would never lose that badly" is absurd. Jordan never won shit with the second best player on his team down, only Magic was able to do that...PeACe
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in in 94-95 MJ came back and it was just him and Pippen and they got handled in the playoffs by Orlando. Spice, ur talking crazy! Pierce compared to Kobe..Cmon Spice..Ray Allen was JUST as big in the series as Pierce
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how you gonna say Jordan is Egotistical but Kobe isnt? cmon Nik. This is the same guy that wouldnt shoot in a playoff game against the Suns to prove a point, he did the same shit against the Kings in 05 when people said he was shooting too much, Tanked the game till it was too late to come back..thats as egotistical as it gets. U make very good points with what you say, but cmon...
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And this is such a stupid argument, becuz people feel way too split about this..I think MJ is the greatest of all time, but i cant hate on someone that thinks its Kobe..
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how you gonna say Jordan is Egotistical but Kobe isnt? cmon Nik. This is the same guy that wouldnt shoot in a playoff game against the Suns to prove a point, he did the same shit against the Kings in 05 when people said he was shooting too much, Tanked the game till it was too late to come back..thats as egotistical as it gets. U make very good points with what you say, but cmon...
First of all, I never said Kobe doesn't have his share of ego, but unlike Jordan, he's able to put his ego in check when needed...Kobe never refused to shoot in that Phoenix game, he was following Phil's command by trying to get everyone involved. If you really think Kobe is willing to lose a Game 7 just to prove a point, then you don't know the first thing about the guy...If you read books about both players, you'd understand where I'm coming from.
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how you gonna say Jordan is Egotistical but Kobe isnt? cmon Nik. This is the same guy that wouldnt shoot in a playoff game against the Suns to prove a point, he did the same shit against the Kings in 05 when people said he was shooting too much, Tanked the game till it was too late to come back..thats as egotistical as it gets. U make very good points with what you say, but cmon...
First of all, I never said Kobe doesn't have his share of ego, but unlike Jordan, he's able to put his ego in check when needed...Kobe never refused to shoot in that Phoenix game, he was following Phil's command by trying to get everyone involved. If you really think Kobe is willing to lose a Game 7 just to prove a point, then you don't know the first thing about the guy...If you read books about both players, you'd understand where I'm coming from.
thats real. See i dont know what Phil tells him, i just see the guy not shooting, thats all i have to judge off, and i have read books about Jordan, but Kobe, no i havent..But whether or not Jordan had ego he was able to put it aside for 6 rings, and you cant deny that
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This Jordan vs Kobe comparison is just proof that Kobe is the fuckin best. The haters always start out trying to hype someone us up to be better than Kobe (ie: Iverson, Vince Carter, Lebron, Wade), then when Kobe puts on some God-like performance they go back to their usual "yeah he's pretty good but he's no Jordan" bullshit. Niggas is scared cuz they see Kobe de-throning the king.
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Ps: Magic Johnson > Michael Jordan anyday.
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Ps: Magic Johnson > Michael Jordan anyday.
that comment alone proves that your points about Kobe are invalid....
This is how you know the comparison between Kobe and Jordan is ridiculous.
Arguing over who's better is an insult to Jordan. Arguing who is better is beneficial to Kobe. That tells you who the better player is. Its no contest...period. Kobe has proven it time and time again. The finals last year were just another example. He isnt made of the same shit Jordan was.
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Ps: Magic Johnson > Michael Jordan anyday.
that comment alone proves that your points about Kobe are invalid....
This is how you know the comparison between Kobe and Jordan is ridiculous.
Arguing over who's better is an insult to Jordan. Arguing who is better is beneficial to Kobe. That tells you who the better player is. Its no contest...period. Kobe has proven it time and time again. The finals last year were just another example. He isnt made of the same shit Jordan was.
Again, Jordan never made the Finals with his 2nd best player down...and no, it's not an insult to Jordan to compare both players, I dunno where you got that. If it were an insult, the comparisons woulda' died down instantly, but these comparisons have been going on for years now...PeACe
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Ps: Magic Johnson > Michael Jordan anyday.
that comment alone proves that your points about Kobe are invalid....
How so?
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Ps: Magic Johnson > Michael Jordan anyday.
that comment alone proves that your points about Kobe are invalid....
How so?
he's just mad that Duncan isn't in the discussion for GOAT.
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Ps: Magic Johnson > Michael Jordan anyday.
that comment alone proves that your points about Kobe are invalid....
How so?
he's just mad that Duncan isn't in the discussion for GOAT.
Duncan has all but solidified himself as the greatest power forward ever. Kobe has no chance of passing up Jordan. Which means, if you put an all NBA team (of all time) by position....Duncan and Jordan will both be on the team. Kobe will not. Try again Scittles.
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Ps: Magic Johnson > Michael Jordan anyday.
that comment alone proves that your points about Kobe are invalid....
How so?
well lets see....first off, youre a Laker fan. You already have a bias towards one side. How many of the people on this board arguing for Jordan, are Bulls fans? None. So your opinion is already twisted. Second, Kobe is a Laker (*see point one). Third, Magic Johnson? Are you kidding? Magic was great, dont get me wrong. I have a ton of respect for him. But Magic himself wouldnt even be stupid enough to make that claim.
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Jordan is the greatest ... plain and simple
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isnt it funny how almost everyone i know who's listenin to westcoast rap is a laker fan ;D
except me of course
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Jordan is still up there in the best starting 5 of the history of this sport.
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Ps: Magic Johnson > Michael Jordan anyday.
that comment alone proves that your points about Kobe are invalid....
How so?
he's just mad that Duncan isn't in the discussion for GOAT.
Duncan has all but solidified himself as the greatest power forward ever. Kobe has no chance of passing up Jordan. Which means, if you put an all NBA team (of all time) by position....Duncan and Jordan will both be on the team. Kobe will not. Try again Scittles.
Kobe is closer to Jordan than Duncan is to Malone. :-*
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kobe's good, but you can't compare him with mj lol... stop it already
real talk
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Ps: Magic Johnson > Michael Jordan anyday.
that comment alone proves that your points about Kobe are invalid....
How so?
he's just mad that Duncan isn't in the discussion for GOAT.
Duncan has all but solidified himself as the greatest power forward ever. Kobe has no chance of passing up Jordan. Which means, if you put an all NBA team (of all time) by position....Duncan and Jordan will both be on the team. Kobe will not. Try again Scittles.
Kobe is closer to Jordan than Duncan is to Malone. :-*
duncan > malone
by a mile