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Title: Exclusive: BIG HUTCH AKA COLD 187UM (Dr. Dre/Eazy E/Jerry Heller/Snoop)
Post by: jonathandubcnn on August 12, 2008, 06:46:14 AM
(http://www.dubcnn.com/interviews/bighutch08-part1/bighutch.jpg)

For the second time in 2008 [February 2008 interview], Dubcnn caught up with Cold 187um AKA Big Hutch for an exclusive interview. In this two part feature, he reveals the truth behind the origin of Dr. Dre's signature sound, which he introduced to Death Row Records and resulted in an aftermath of success for the mega producer.

Also, hear how Snoop Dogg really came up... You'll be surprised to hear 187 open up about his personal business dealings with Eazy-E and Jerry Heller, uncovering a very different perspective on the way business was handled at Ruthless Records.

Cold 187um eventually realized he couldn't live Above The Law forever -- being arrested and sent away -- causing him to reflect on the message he was portraying and accepting accountability for his youthful ignorance, as he fought his way through the gruelling life behind bars.

Having these talents locked up made up for the explosive new album, Fresh Out The Pen…
Read this powerful, compelling, controversial, and moving testimony in the exclusive, heart-felt Dubcnn interview by Jonathan Hay and Chad Kiser.

http://dubcnn.com/interviews/bighutch08-part1/

As always, you can hit me up on www.myspace.com/jonathanhay or email me at haywire@dubcnn.com and be sure to leave feedback on our forums!
Title: Re: BIG HUTCH AKA COLD 187UM (Part 1)
Post by: 3rd Coast on August 12, 2008, 07:29:31 AM
he a cool kat... he is originally from dallas.. mom nem still stay down here.. they some cool folks..remember when 100 spokes came out...seen em on tv.. went outside to a mall here this nigga was
Title: Re: Exclusive: BIG HUTCH AKA COLD 187UM (Dr. Dre/Eazy E/Jerry Heller/Snoop)
Post by: Rud on August 12, 2008, 07:33:45 AM
Props Jon!!
Title: Re: Exclusive: BIG HUTCH AKA COLD 187UM (Dr. Dre/Eazy E/Jerry Heller/Snoop)
Post by: Dre-Day on August 12, 2008, 08:16:31 AM
nice job Jonathan & Chad  ;)

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Dubcnn: Do you feel that you get enough credit for all that you have brought to the table and accomplished for the hip-hop culture?

I’m here to let the world know that I'm the one who created it [the original G-Funk sound], you know what I mean? So, basically, I mean [Dr] Dre had a situation to where he had [a chance] to let people know that he was highly influenced by a producer like myself, you know what I mean? That I'm the one that brought G Funk to the table -- but I think people think it's like I'm some kid that came up under Dre that's like a little bit bitter that I didn't get all my props from other things that I've done in the music industry, ya dig? And it's like I'm trying to jump on the bandwagon like everybody else and say ‘Well, Dre ain't this and Dre ain't that...’ and, you know, what I think what's bad is that I was Dr. Dre's understudy for a lot of years at Ruthless [Records], right? And when I created G-Funk, it was a more so situation to where it was more our coined flavor of Above The Law, so he kind of took some theories and ideas that I had and brought it over to Death Row.

Now I didn’t have a problem with that because, as I just explained to you, I was his understudy, no problem, you know what I’m saying, you know, you give some stuff, I give some stuff, we gel together, you know what I mean? What my problem was, when you’re addressed with it and you know ‘how did you find this new sound or whatever’, you didn’t say, ‘well, it’s this kid I worked with -- 187aka Big Hutch -- you know, so on and so on, I got the theory from him’ and he never really coined the fact of where it ever came from.

Snoop in turn came through us... Snoop was actually in development by me, I was developing Snoop as well as Warren G and they ended up turning the corner and ended up being at Death Row when there was a lot of turmoil going on at Ruthless Records. It’s alright, I’m just saying, if I get an idea from somebody, I should give them their props. It’s not like I’m saying he’s wack or anything, so I don’t want anybody [to think] that I have a problem with Dr. Dre, I love Dr. Dre. Dr. Dre, along with Eazy E are the guys who put me in the game; you know what I’m saying. But he broke camp and took a style that I innovated, you know, sorry! I came to Ruthless when Ruthless was built by Dr. Dre, you feel me? It was already built, ya dig? But I can say, I invented that style, that flavor…

well hutch, you just showed in your response that you are a bitter kid that needs to grow up :P
http://www.dubcnn.com/media/video/bishoplive/


Title: Re: Exclusive: BIG HUTCH AKA COLD 187UM (Dr. Dre/Eazy E/Jerry Heller/Snoop)
Post by: jonathandubcnn on August 12, 2008, 08:40:16 AM
thanks for the feedback  8)  it was great talking to Cold187, thanks to Rud for making that happen!!!
Title: Re: Exclusive: BIG HUTCH AKA COLD 187UM (Dr. Dre/Eazy E/Jerry Heller/Snoop)
Post by: smegma on August 12, 2008, 08:42:16 AM
Cool. I'll make sure to check this out :)
Title: Re: Exclusive: BIG HUTCH AKA COLD 187UM (Dr. Dre/Eazy E/Jerry Heller/Snoop)
Post by: s.a.k.10 on August 12, 2008, 08:49:11 AM
he a cool dude....
its clear listenin now how his sound was taken...
Title: Re: Exclusive: BIG HUTCH AKA COLD 187UM (Dr. Dre/Eazy E/Jerry Heller/Snoop)
Post by: s.a.k.10 on August 12, 2008, 09:17:31 AM
^^in my eyes yes
Title: Re: Exclusive: BIG HUTCH AKA COLD 187UM (Dr. Dre/Eazy E/Jerry Heller/Snoop)
Post by: woods on August 12, 2008, 09:30:37 AM
Dope interview, looking forward to part 2
Title: Re: Exclusive: BIG HUTCH AKA COLD 187UM (Dr. Dre/Eazy E/Jerry Heller/Snoop)
Post by: COMPTONRIDA1 on August 12, 2008, 09:49:44 AM
i was wonderin why above the law and kokane dissed the shit out of snoop....
Title: Re: Exclusive: BIG HUTCH AKA COLD 187UM (Dr. Dre/Eazy E/Jerry Heller/Snoop)
Post by: Chad on August 12, 2008, 09:55:42 AM
thanks for all the feedback!  Jon & I are continuing to bring you guys more dope shit!  8)
Title: Re: Exclusive: BIG HUTCH AKA COLD 187UM (Dr. Dre/Eazy E/Jerry Heller/Snoop)
Post by: jonathandubcnn on August 12, 2008, 04:45:23 PM
thanks  8)
Title: Re: Exclusive: BIG HUTCH AKA COLD 187UM (Dr. Dre/Eazy E/Jerry Heller/Snoop)
Post by: Laconic on August 12, 2008, 04:50:16 PM
Good read. Part 2 should be interesting also.  Thanks...

I still gotta check out his new record too.  Only heard a couple tracks so far.
Title: Re: BIG HUTCH AKA COLD 187UM (Part 1)
Post by: weedhead on August 12, 2008, 06:40:37 PM
he a cool kat... he is originally from dallas.. mom nem still stay down here.. they some cool folks..remember when 100 spokes came out...seen em on tv.. went outside to a mall here this nigga was
I knew this info.....but alot of hiphop heads really was thinking he from the westcoast.......once again the souf has molded the west to some what,what it is tooday.(DOC-COLD187)southern boys....plus he the one who started thta g-funk sound.
Title: Re: Exclusive: BIG HUTCH AKA COLD 187UM (Dr. Dre/Eazy E/Jerry Heller/Snoop)
Post by: weedhead on August 12, 2008, 06:46:25 PM
oh and did yall know that the sing song style came from big mike,and 2-3 when they where the convicts back then....they where fucking with deathrow then.yet went over to rap a lot.
Title: Re: Exclusive: BIG HUTCH AKA COLD 187UM (Dr. Dre/Eazy E/Jerry Heller/Snoop)
Post by: weedhead on August 12, 2008, 07:13:59 PM
oh and did yall know that the sing song style came from big mike,and 2-3 when they where the convicts back then....they where fucking with deathrow then.yet went over to rap a lot.
and 187.respect.
Title: Re: Exclusive: BIG HUTCH AKA COLD 187UM (Dr. Dre/Eazy E/Jerry Heller/Snoop)
Post by: 3rd Coast on August 12, 2008, 07:36:23 PM
oh and did yall know that the sing song style came from big mike,and 2-3 when they where the convicts back then....they where fucking with deathrow then.yet went over to rap a lot.

3-2... yeah mike n 3-2 had a apartment n snoop nem stayed wit em.. in the early n mid 90s...they stayed fuckin wit cali niggas....they was fuckin with s.c.c real strong...they were in the videos on the n gatz we trust album n both were on the murder squad tape

sing songy style came from dee from 2nd 2 none....

when snoop goes sincerly yours deez muthafuckin nutttz...on the intro of the chronic..how he was talkin after he said it..he was impersonatin 3-2

if i could give props..i would.. its only a hand full of people on this board that knows this shit

alot of people dont know this.. ice cube snoop,spice 1 and a bunch of other cats were screw heads..spice even has a freestylke on one of them hoes..cant think of the tape right now...
Title: Re: Exclusive: BIG HUTCH AKA COLD 187UM (Dr. Dre/Eazy E/Jerry Heller/Snoop)
Post by: Dre-Day on August 13, 2008, 01:09:27 AM
^^in my eyes yes

maybe there's something wrong with your eyes then  ;)
Title: Re: Exclusive: BIG HUTCH AKA COLD 187UM (Dr. Dre/Eazy E/Jerry Heller/Snoop)
Post by: Dre-Day on August 13, 2008, 02:38:39 AM
 
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Dubcnn: I was just thinking about that when you were talking and it’s crazy… not only can you [go back] and do the research, but when you listen to the albums that came out around the same time that Dre had his hands in [the production], when you listen to Livin’ Like Hustlers, it was so much more musical than anything at the time… and then they took that sound and embellished it and that’s what created the whole [G-Funk sound] – cause Straight Outta Compton it didn’t sound like that, it wasn’t that musical, with all that real instrumentation like you had it laid out…

The thing about it is, at the time, it went from a boom and a bap, to a baseline, to more like chord progression and changes, grooves and singing, you know what I mean?


Dubcnn: Yeah, melodic… Like you were saying earlier…

Yeah, the changes [sings melody], all the melodic tones…the goony sounding shit, all of those elements mixed into hip-hop.

again, not true  ::)

(http://www.cookstown.gov.uk/media/dogbarking.jpg)
Title: Re: Exclusive: BIG HUTCH AKA COLD 187UM (Dr. Dre/Eazy E/Jerry Heller/Snoop)
Post by: jonathandubcnn on August 13, 2008, 03:14:39 AM
When he is talking about "musical" - he's not talking about funk/soul samples, he is talking about coming in and "playing" with real instrumentation and not "sampling" real instrumentation.  Eazy Duz It and Straight Outta Compton are both classic albums, hands-down.  In both parts of the interview, Cold187 displays his love and respect for Eazy E as both a businessman and artist who changed the music business as know it.  I think without a doubt, Cold 187 influenced Dr Dre and the G funk sound... but that doesn't take anything away from Dre.  Dre in my opinion is one of the most important producers in all of music history. 

Title: Re: Exclusive: BIG HUTCH AKA COLD 187UM (Dr. Dre/Eazy E/Jerry Heller/Snoop)
Post by: weedhead on August 13, 2008, 03:32:11 AM
oh and did yall know that the sing song style came from big mike,and 2-3 when they where the convicts back then....they where fucking with deathrow then.yet went over to rap a lot.

3-2... yeah mike n 3-2 had a apartment n snoop nem stayed wit em.. in the early n mid 90s...they stayed fuckin wit cali niggas....they was fuckin with s.c.c real strong...they were in the videos on the n gatz we trust album n both were on the murder squad tape

sing songy style came from dee from 2nd 2 none....

when snoop goes sincerly yours deez muthafuckin nutttz...on the intro of the chronic..how he was talkin after he said it..he was impersonatin 3-2

if i could give props..i would.. its only a hand full of people on this board that knows this shit

alot of people dont know this.. ice cube snoop,spice 1 and a bunch of other cats were screw heads..spice even has a freestylke on one of them hoes..cant think of the tape right now...

homie we need our on section..schooling some of these cats...im still looking for that dj screw,and mac-10...he screwed macs 1st single.hell i was in dallas tx.acting a fool in the (cliff)and fucking around in deonsanders club at the time.
Title: Re: Exclusive: BIG HUTCH AKA COLD 187UM (Dr. Dre/Eazy E/Jerry Heller/Snoop)
Post by: weedhead on August 13, 2008, 03:39:05 AM
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Dubcnn: I was just thinking about that when you were talking and it's crazy… not only can you [go back] and do the research, but when you listen to the albums that came out around the same time that Dre had his hands in [the production], when you listen to Livin’ Like Hustlers, it was so much more musical than anything at the time… and then they took that sound and embellished ithat'sthat’s what created the whole [G-Funk sound] – cause Straight Outta Compton it didn’t sound like that, it wasn’t that musical, with all that real instrumentation like you had it laid out…

The thing about it is, at the time, it went from a boom and a bap, to a baseline, to more like chord progression and changes, grooves and singing, you know what I mean?


Dubcnn: Yeah, melodic… Like you were saying earlier…

Yeah, the changes [sings melody], all the melodic tones…the goony sounding shit, all of those elements mixed into hip-hop.

again, not true  ::)

(http://www.cookstown.gov.uk/media/dogbarking.jpg)



Yep it pisses me off that the one that bark the loudest gets believed  >:(
Have you all forgot about Eazy Duz It? That shit ain´t musical? Dre used a lot of funk samples on that one.
Hey wait,maybe Dre stole concepts from 187um for that album too?  :P

while u in denail,u know like i know,that dre borrows alot from people.....187 is the inventor of g-funk period..like he said give cred.where credit is do.....hitman,daz,sam seed,ect.makes dre s sound.
Title: Re: Exclusive: BIG HUTCH AKA COLD 187UM (Dr. Dre/Eazy E/Jerry Heller/Snoop)
Post by: Chad Vader on August 13, 2008, 04:02:27 AM
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Dubcnn: I was just thinking about that when you were talking and it's crazy… not only can you [go back] and do the research, but when you listen to the albums that came out around the same time that Dre had his hands in [the production], when you listen to Livin’ Like Hustlers, it was so much more musical than anything at the time… and then they took that sound and embellished ithat'sthat’s what created the whole [G-Funk sound] – cause Straight Outta Compton it didn’t sound like that, it wasn’t that musical, with all that real instrumentation like you had it laid out…

The thing about it is, at the time, it went from a boom and a bap, to a baseline, to more like chord progression and changes, grooves and singing, you know what I mean?


Dubcnn: Yeah, melodic… Like you were saying earlier…

Yeah, the changes [sings melody], all the melodic tones…the goony sounding shit, all of those elements mixed into hip-hop.

again, not true  ::)

(http://www.cookstown.gov.uk/media/dogbarking.jpg)



Yep it pisses me off that the one that bark the loudest gets believed  >:(
Have you all forgot about Eazy Duz It? That shit ain´t musical? Dre used a lot of funk samples on that one.
Hey wait,maybe Dre stole concepts from 187um for that album too?  :P



When he is talking about "musical" - he's not talking about funk/soul samples,
he is talking about coming in and "playing" with real instrumentation and not "sampling" real instrumentation.
Eazy Duz It and Straight Outta Compton are both classic albums, hands-down.
In both parts of the interview, Cold187 displays his love and respect for Eazy E
as both a businessman and artist who changed the music business as know it. 
I think without a doubt, Cold 187 influenced Dr Dre and the G funk sound... but that doesn't take anything away from Dre.
Dre in my opinion is one of the most important producers in all of music history. 


It´s nothing about Dre VS 187um,I got love for both. But he just make too much of this thing.
All I'm saying it was a collective effort;
Dre,187um,Colin Wolfe,Lay-Law,Mike Sims,Chris "The Glove" Taylor and Yella...
Nothing wrong with sharing ideas...  ;)
I have never heard Dre taking credit for creating "G-Funk".
It's sad that he´s so bitter,187um is a great producer with dope concepts.
So would love to see him work side by side with Dre again.



Yep it pisses me off that the one that bark the loudest gets believed  >:(
Have you all forgot about Eazy Duz It? That shit ain´t musical? Dre used a lot of funk samples on that one.
Hey wait,maybe Dre stole concepts from 187um for that album too?  :P


while u in denail,u know like i know,that dre borrows alot from people.....
187 is the inventor of g-funk period..like he said give cred. where credit is do.....hitman,daz,sam seed,ect.
makes dre s sound.


it´s called a collective effort  ;)
so yes they all deserve credit.
But in the long run;
Action speaks louder than words  ;)



he a cool dude....
its clear listening now how his sound was taken...

is it?;
The Official Above The Law thread (who invented G-Funk?) (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=148792.0)
Title: Re: Exclusive: BIG HUTCH AKA COLD 187UM (Dr. Dre/Eazy E/Jerry Heller/Snoop)
Post by: s.a.k.10 on August 13, 2008, 04:58:04 AM
^^in my eyes yes

maybe there's something wrong with your eyes then  ;)


my eyes are perfectly fine thank you....
Title: Re: Exclusive: BIG HUTCH AKA COLD 187UM (Dr. Dre/Eazy E/Jerry Heller/Snoop)
Post by: Dre-Day on August 13, 2008, 06:36:57 AM
Quote
Dubcnn: I was just thinking about that when you were talking and it's crazy… not only can you [go back] and do the research, but when you listen to the albums that came out around the same time that Dre had his hands in [the production], when you listen to Livin’ Like Hustlers, it was so much more musical than anything at the time… and then they took that sound and embellished ithat'sthat’s what created the whole [G-Funk sound] – cause Straight Outta Compton it didn’t sound like that, it wasn’t that musical, with all that real instrumentation like you had it laid out…

The thing about it is, at the time, it went from a boom and a bap, to a baseline, to more like chord progression and changes, grooves and singing, you know what I mean?


Dubcnn: Yeah, melodic… Like you were saying earlier…

Yeah, the changes [sings melody], all the melodic tones…the goony sounding shit, all of those elements mixed into hip-hop.

again, not true  ::)

(http://www.cookstown.gov.uk/media/dogbarking.jpg)



Yep it pisses me off that the one that bark the loudest gets believed  >:(
Have you all forgot about Eazy Duz It? That shit ain´t musical? Dre used a lot of funk samples on that one.
Hey wait,maybe Dre stole concepts from 187um for that album too?  :P

while u in denail,u know like i know,that dre borrows alot from people.....187 is the inventor of g-funk period..like he said give cred.where credit is do.....hitman,daz,sam seed,ect.makes dre s sound.

hahaha  :laugh:


When he is talking about "musical" - he's not talking about funk/soul samples, he is talking about coming in and "playing" with real instrumentation and not "sampling" real instrumentation.  Eazy Duz It and Straight Outta Compton are both classic albums, hands-down.  In both parts of the interview, Cold187 displays his love and respect for Eazy E as both a businessman and artist who changed the music business as know it.  I think without a doubt, Cold 187 influenced Dr Dre and the G funk sound... but that doesn't take anything away from Dre.  Dre in my opinion is one of the most important producers in all of music history. 


well Chad Vader covered almost everything, but i'd like to add that Dre used real instruments too on those 2 albums.
yet this bitter kid Hutch is still crying after 20 years  :o now that's what i call really mature
Title: Re: Exclusive: BIG HUTCH AKA COLD 187UM (Dr. Dre/Eazy E/Jerry Heller/Snoop)
Post by: Tha G In Deee on August 13, 2008, 11:39:56 AM
Good read. Part 2 should be interesting also.  Thanks...

8)
Title: Re: Exclusive: BIG HUTCH AKA COLD 187UM (Dr. Dre/Eazy E/Jerry Heller/Snoop)
Post by: SCAVENGER on August 13, 2008, 01:41:29 PM
heard he might be signing to streetlife records jerry hellers new label
Title: Re: Exclusive: BIG HUTCH AKA COLD 187UM (Dr. Dre/Eazy E/Jerry Heller/Snoop)
Post by: C-BLUE on August 13, 2008, 03:33:32 PM
"cuz we be the niggas u bitches love to hate..cuz we'll fucc ya homegirl and lie in yo face..we do it city for city..bricc for bricc..nickels, dimes, we killaz n convicts...set up shop make yo hood hella hot...we HATE snitches and we HATE cops" - Big Hutch Gutter 8)

that was the shit...big hutch mad luv
Title: Re: Exclusive: BIG HUTCH AKA COLD 187UM (Dr. Dre/Eazy E/Jerry Heller/Snoop)
Post by: Crockett on August 14, 2008, 08:36:14 AM
cold 187 is the man ya dig the ATL shit is the shit .. time will reveal YA DIG
Title: Re: Exclusive: BIG HUTCH AKA COLD 187UM (Dr. Dre/Eazy E/Jerry Heller/Snoop)
Post by: C-BLUE on August 14, 2008, 09:50:30 AM
cold 187 is the man ya dig the ATL shit is the shit .. time will reveal YA DIG

i dig 8)
Title: Re: Exclusive: BIG HUTCH AKA COLD 187UM (Dr. Dre/Eazy E/Jerry Heller/Snoop)
Post by: D-Stress on August 14, 2008, 10:38:30 AM
was the 187, on tupac´s "5 levelz of tha game" (listed on his tracklist in 2pac´s notebook) big hutch?
Title: Re: Exclusive: BIG HUTCH AKA COLD 187UM (Dr. Dre/Eazy E/Jerry Heller/Snoop)
Post by: me1 on August 14, 2008, 03:13:30 PM
He's still got a lot of animosity for Dre not helping him come up.  Much in the same way Daz did, J Flexx, other co-producers. 

It's not a matter of "look at my amazing talents, the truth will surface," it's got more of a "i helped you on this path you took, and you didn't compensate me appropriately" vibe. 

 
Title: Re: Exclusive: BIG HUTCH AKA COLD 187UM (Dr. Dre/Eazy E/Jerry Heller/Snoop)
Post by: C-BLUE on August 14, 2008, 05:49:08 PM
He's still got a lot of animosity for Dre not helping him come up.  Much in the same way Daz did, J Flexx, other co-producers. 

It's not a matter of "look at my amazing talents, the truth will surface," it's got more of a "i helped you on this path you took, and you didn't compensate me appropriately" vibe. 

 

hahah u dont know what the fucc u talkin bout cuzz...hutch showed dre the chronic blueprint..that shit was blac mafia life. listen to that shit cuzz. hutch dont give a fucc about dre..but dre can at least give the niggas his credit and he aint doin that. don't get me wrong dre is a dope producer but the nigga be takin niggas ideas and makin it like it's his own. that whole g funk sound comes straight from the blac mafia life album and if u listen to the chronic in comparison a muthafucca aint gonna have no doubts..unless u just stupid cuzz. 8)
Title: Re: Exclusive: BIG HUTCH AKA COLD 187UM (Dr. Dre/Eazy E/Jerry Heller/Snoop)
Post by: COMPTONRIDA1 on August 14, 2008, 08:02:48 PM
"cuz we be the niggas u bitches love to hate..cuz we'll fucc ya homegirl and lie in yo face..we do it city for city..bricc for bricc..nickels, dimes, we killaz n convicts...set up shop make yo hood hella hot...we HATE snitches and we HATE cops" - Big Hutch Gutter 8)

that was the shit...big hutch mad luv
c blue you got a message.. answer the question....    >:(
Title: Re: Exclusive: BIG HUTCH AKA COLD 187UM (Dr. Dre/Eazy E/Jerry Heller/Snoop)
Post by: me1 on August 15, 2008, 03:30:00 AM
He's still got a lot of animosity for Dre not helping him come up.  Much in the same way Daz did, J Flexx, other co-producers. 

It's not a matter of "look at my amazing talents, the truth will surface," it's got more of a "i helped you on this path you took, and you didn't compensate me appropriately" vibe. 

 

hahah u dont know what the fucc u talkin bout cuzz...hutch showed dre the chronic blueprint..that shit was blac mafia life. listen to that shit cuzz. hutch dont give a fucc about dre..but dre can at least give the niggas his credit and he aint doin that. don't get me wrong dre is a dope producer but the nigga be takin niggas ideas and makin it like it's his own. that whole g funk sound comes straight from the blac mafia life album and if u listen to the chronic in comparison a muthafucca aint gonna have no doubts..unless u just stupid cuzz. 8)

naw, man, i think you misunderstood me.  i hear where both you and he are coming from.  For some perspective, Uncle's Sam's Curse is one of my top 5 albums of all time, from any coast.  Huge ATL fan.  I was calling the record store every day waiting on that 100 Spokes single to drop in 95 or 96, whichever summer it was.  I was calling so much that they actually ordered a few too many thinking there was legit demand for that single, but that's another story.

But anyway, I'm dead on.  I don't doubt at all that Dre could have given him props here and there for showing him that style and Hutch is pissed and rightfully so.  But man, that was 16 years ago...time to let go of all that.  The real fans give Hutch props. 

If he's expecting props from a wider, more commercial audience like the one Dre has, he's not gonna end up getting it cause ATL doesn't have crossover appeal like that. 
Title: Re: Exclusive: BIG HUTCH AKA COLD 187UM (Dr. Dre/Eazy E/Jerry Heller/Snoop)
Post by: Dre-Day on August 15, 2008, 04:40:33 AM
He's still got a lot of animosity for Dre not helping him come up.  Much in the same way Daz did, J Flexx, other co-producers. 

It's not a matter of "look at my amazing talents, the truth will surface," it's got more of a "i helped you on this path you took, and you didn't compensate me appropriately" vibe. 

 

hahah u dont know what the fucc u talkin bout cuzz...hutch showed dre the chronic blueprint..that shit was blac mafia life. listen to that shit cuzz. hutch dont give a fucc about dre..but dre can at least give the niggas his credit and he aint doin that. don't get me wrong dre is a dope producer but the nigga be takin niggas ideas and makin it like it's his own. that whole g funk sound comes straight from the blac mafia life album and if u listen to the chronic in comparison a muthafucca aint gonna have no doubts..unless u just stupid cuzz. 8)

no you, as a Ruthless groupie don't get it  ;)
Hutch is a bitter kid that can't move on.

Title: Re: Exclusive: BIG HUTCH AKA COLD 187UM (Dr. Dre/Eazy E/Jerry Heller/Snoop)
Post by: Mackin on August 15, 2008, 04:53:32 AM
^^exactly Hutch just needs to move on and make music, staying bitter is not going to help Him!

The style came from Him, alright im sure he is innovative enough to re-create that formula and bring something fresh.. Now is a good enough time for him to do just that,while Dre is working on Detox..He won't have that chance again when Detox drops..But Ego and pride are as big as Mount Everest and as deep as the Pacific Ocean, so i doubt that Hutch will do that..shame really.. :-\ :-\


Title: Re: Exclusive: BIG HUTCH AKA COLD 187UM (Dr. Dre/Eazy E/Jerry Heller/Snoop)
Post by: Crockett on August 15, 2008, 10:59:21 AM
black mafia life is better anyway every one is on the cronics dick and atl never got the props they deserved.... so ima say id take a ATL cold 187 over a dre any day... peace
Title: Re: Exclusive: BIG HUTCH AKA COLD 187UM (Dr. Dre/Eazy E/Jerry Heller/Snoop)
Post by: Dre-Day on August 15, 2008, 12:03:24 PM
black mafia life is better anyway every one is on the cronics dick and atl never got the props they deserved.... so ima say id take a ATL cold 187 over a dre any day... peace


i like the irony  ;)
Title: Re: Exclusive: BIG HUTCH AKA COLD 187UM (Dr. Dre/Eazy E/Jerry Heller/Snoop)
Post by: Crockett on August 15, 2008, 12:04:46 PM
only makes eazys pay day
Title: Re: Exclusive: BIG HUTCH AKA COLD 187UM (Dr. Dre/Eazy E/Jerry Heller/Snoop)
Post by: AnnonymousOne on August 16, 2008, 12:04:24 PM
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no you, as a Ruthless groupie don't get it  ;)
Hutch is a bitter kid that can't move on.

WTF. Doesn't anybody get that Cold was asked the question about Dre. He simply responded. Yall act like Dre is all he talks about. He simply answered the question. It's not like Cold 187 wrote a book about Dre taking his ideas. Fuckin' think.

....oh yeah, and fuck Dre-Day. All you do is diss, you fuckin' bitch.
Title: Re: Exclusive: BIG HUTCH AKA COLD 187UM (Dr. Dre/Eazy E/Jerry Heller/Snoop)
Post by: Dre-Day on August 16, 2008, 12:09:09 PM
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no you, as a Ruthless groupie don't get it  ;)
Hutch is a bitter kid that can't move on.

WTF. Doesn't anybody get that Cold was asked the question about Dre. He simply responded. Yall act like Dre is all he talks about. He simply answered the question. It's not like Cold 187 wrote a book about Dre taking his ideas. Fuckin' think.

....oh yeah, and fuck Dre-Day. All you do is diss, you fuckin' bitch.

what up hutch  8)
Title: Re: Exclusive: BIG HUTCH AKA COLD 187UM (Dr. Dre/Eazy E/Jerry Heller/Snoop)
Post by: jonathandubcnn on August 16, 2008, 12:17:40 PM
WOW!!! A lot of feebback...  8)  Part Two will be dropping soon!!!
Title: Re: Exclusive: BIG HUTCH AKA COLD 187UM (Dr. Dre/Eazy E/Jerry Heller/Snoop)
Post by: Dre-Day on August 16, 2008, 12:23:37 PM
WOW!!! A lot of feebback...  8)  Part Two will be dropping soon!!!
cool, let's see what hutch is going to cry about this time  8)
Title: Re: Exclusive: BIG HUTCH AKA COLD 187UM (Dr. Dre/Eazy E/Jerry Heller/Snoop)
Post by: Dre-Day on August 17, 2008, 12:49:32 AM
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no you, as a Ruthless groupie don't get it  ;)
Hutch is a bitter kid that can't move on.

WTF. Doesn't anybody get that Cold was asked the question about Dre. He simply responded. Yall act like Dre is all he talks about. He simply answered the question. It's not like Cold 187 wrote a book about Dre taking his ideas. Fuckin' think.

....oh yeah, and fuck Dre-Day. All you do is diss, you fuckin' bitch.

how about reading the actual posts  :D

lesson 1: making such assumptions is like shooting yourself in the foot  ;)
lesson 2: on this board it's best to be with me than against me  :pirate:  :idea:
Title: Re: Exclusive: BIG HUTCH AKA COLD 187UM (Dr. Dre/Eazy E/Jerry Heller/Snoop)
Post by: smegma on August 17, 2008, 04:18:54 AM
lesson 2: on this board it's best to be with me than against me  :pirate:  [/color]:idea:

Why is that?
Title: Re: Exclusive: BIG HUTCH AKA COLD 187UM (Dr. Dre/Eazy E/Jerry Heller/Snoop)
Post by: D-Stress on August 17, 2008, 06:53:07 AM
WOW!!! A lot of feebback...  8)  Part Two will be dropping soon!!!
cool, let's see what hutch is going to cry about this time  8)

 ::)

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oh yeah, and fuck Dre-Day. All you do is diss, you fuckin' bitch.

100%
Title: Re: Exclusive: BIG HUTCH AKA COLD 187UM (Dr. Dre/Eazy E/Jerry Heller/Snoop)
Post by: Dre-Day on August 17, 2008, 06:58:43 AM
WOW!!! A lot of feebback...  8)  Part Two will be dropping soon!!!
cool, let's see what hutch is going to cry about this time  8)

 ::)

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oh yeah, and fuck Dre-Day. All you do is diss, you fuckin' bitch.

100%

lol at you co-signing that  :D

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Title: Re: Exclusive: BIG HUTCH AKA COLD 187UM (Dr. Dre/Eazy E/Jerry Heller/Snoop)
Post by: Laconic on August 17, 2008, 12:00:23 PM
Bring on part 2  ;)

And, yes, Hutch needs to cease with the whining already.  Take that family musical history and create something spectacular  ;)
Title: Re: Exclusive: BIG HUTCH AKA COLD 187UM (Dr. Dre/Eazy E/Jerry Heller/Snoop)
Post by: Dre-Day on August 17, 2008, 12:09:36 PM
Bring on part 2  ;)

And, yes, Hutch needs to cease with the whining already.  Take that family musical history and create something spectacular  ;)

listen to the man^
Title: Re: Exclusive: BIG HUTCH AKA COLD 187UM (Dr. Dre/Eazy E/Jerry Heller/Snoop)
Post by: Laconic on August 17, 2008, 12:18:55 PM
Bring on part 2  ;)

And, yes, Hutch needs to cease with the whining already.  Take that family musical history and create something spectacular  ;)

listen to the man^

:cheers:
Title: Re: Exclusive: BIG HUTCH AKA COLD 187UM (Dr. Dre/Eazy E/Jerry Heller/Snoop)
Post by: Dre-Day on August 17, 2008, 12:21:16 PM
Bring on part 2  ;)

And, yes, Hutch needs to cease with the whining already.  Take that family musical history and create something spectacular  ;)

listen to the man^

:cheers:

 :cheers: keep it real  :sun:
Title: Re: Exclusive: BIG HUTCH AKA COLD 187UM (Dr. Dre/Eazy E/Jerry Heller/Snoop)
Post by: BIGWORM on August 17, 2008, 08:16:57 PM
nice interview props. Above the Law "legends" album that production shits all over any produced album by Dr.Dre & his ghost producers. Dr.Dre is the west coast Puff Daddy, he takes old 70's tracks and revamps them. We all know who the real producer on 2001 was. Dre ain't produce shit he engineers tracks and puts his name on them...
Title: Re: Exclusive: BIG HUTCH AKA COLD 187UM (Dr. Dre/Eazy E/Jerry Heller/Snoop)
Post by: Dre-Day on August 18, 2008, 12:11:05 AM
nice interview props. Above the Law "legends" album that production shits all over any produced album by Dr.Dre & his ghost producers. Dr.Dre is the west coast Puff Daddy, he takes old 70's tracks and revamps them. We all know who the real producer on 2001 was. Dre ain't produce shit he engineers tracks and puts his name on them...

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Title: Re: Exclusive: BIG HUTCH AKA COLD 187UM (Dr. Dre/Eazy E/Jerry Heller/Snoop)
Post by: krook look bugzy on August 18, 2008, 02:31:51 AM
i luv hutch!he  is a real mutha phuka! period!
it does suck that he and above the law dont get wat they deserve.
yes dre is dope! yes 187um is dope! wat ever is between the homie huitch and dre is between them.
but the reason hutch gotta speak on it cause yall mutha phukaz not knowing your history.........thats real.........wat would happen is we only made metion babe ruth and not yogi beara. wat would happen if we only made mention kobe and not shaq! come on mutha phukaz........this is real....gangsta....shit !

Luv the interview.......but yall need to record that shit. this is the 21 first century ya dig.

yall need to reach out to gangsta dresta. bg knock out. and dirty red?


bugzy 8) 
Title: Re: Exclusive: BIG HUTCH AKA COLD 187UM (Dr. Dre/Eazy E/Jerry Heller/Snoop)
Post by: Dre-Day on August 18, 2008, 02:33:23 AM
i luv hutch!he  is a real mutha phuka! period!
it does suck that he and above the law dont get wat they deserve.
yes dre is dope! yes 187um is dope! wat ever is between the homie huitch and dre is between them.
but the reason hutch gotta speak on it cause yall mutha phukaz not knowing your history.........thats real.........wat would happen is we only made metion babe ruth and not yogi beara. wat would happen if we only made mention kobe and not shaq! come on mutha phukaz........this is real....gangsta....shit !

Luv the interview.......but yall need to record that shit. this is the 21 first century ya dig.

yall need to reach out to gangsta dresta. bg knock out. and dirty red?


bugzy 8) 

i did my homework, so there goes your statement  :P
Title: Re: Exclusive: BIG HUTCH AKA COLD 187UM (Dr. Dre/Eazy E/Jerry Heller/Snoop)
Post by: Dre-Day on August 18, 2008, 02:57:55 AM
I luv hutch! he  is a real mutha phuka! period!
it does suck that he and above the law don't get wat they deserve.
yes Dre is dope! yes 187um is dope! wat ever is between the homie hutch and Dre is between them.
but the reason hutch gotta speak on it cause ya ll mutha phukaz not knowing your history.........thats real.........
wat would happen is we only made metion babe Ruth and not yogi beara. wat would happen if we only made mention kobe and not shaq!
come on mutha phukaz........this is real....gangsta....shit !
bugzy 8)   

i did my homework, so there goes your statement  :P

Yep... maybe the rest should do their homework too?
I love Above The Law to death, but Hutch has been whining for over 15 years now;,come on... pathetic  :P >:(
Above The Law interviews (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=148792.msg1753650#msg1753650)
Above The Law reviews (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=148792.msg1758980#msg1758980)

most people speak before they think.
it would have been better if it changed, but they are too naive to realise that.
Title: Re: Exclusive: BIG HUTCH AKA COLD 187UM (Dr. Dre/Eazy E/Jerry Heller/Snoop)
Post by: kuruptDPG on August 18, 2008, 03:43:58 PM
hutch is a real nigga, he has talked about dre for a long time lol but he is right about him though
Title: Re: Exclusive: BIG HUTCH AKA COLD 187UM (Dr. Dre/Eazy E/Jerry Heller/Snoop)
Post by: Dre-Day on August 18, 2008, 11:55:36 PM
hutch is a real nigga, he has talked about dre for a long time lol but he is right about him though

how so?
Title: Re: Exclusive: BIG HUTCH AKA COLD 187UM (Dr. Dre/Eazy E/Jerry Heller/Snoop)
Post by: kuruptDPG on August 19, 2008, 09:26:58 AM
hutch is a real nigga, he has talked about dre for a long time lol but he is right about him though

how so?

il get back to u on that 1
Title: Re: Exclusive: BIG HUTCH AKA COLD 187UM (Dr. Dre/Eazy E/Jerry Heller/Snoop)
Post by: Ozir on August 19, 2008, 11:45:52 AM
http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#102

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Title: Re: Exclusive: BIG HUTCH AKA COLD 187UM (Dr. Dre/Eazy E/Jerry Heller/Snoop)
Post by: Chad Vader on September 07, 2008, 01:02:09 PM
Bring on part 2  ;)


When is it dropping?
Hope you guys asked about;
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http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=148792.msg1925883#msg1925883
-One last thing is if you own the promo tape to the Black Mafia Life album,
the outro was originally titled The Chronic Outro. Listen to that track.

eehhh;?
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http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=148792.msg1925883#msg1925883
-Around the time Dre left Death Row to form Aftermath, he brought 187 in as a producer and,
believe it or not, 187 produced most of the first Eve album when she was first at
Aftermath around 97-98 along with Mel-Man.

This album;?
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http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=148792.msg1926871#msg1926871
Review Rap Pages August 97

Above The Law presents...
Crime Files consists of various artists,who collectively decided to follow the norm of substituting bomb-ass bangin' beats for lyrical supremacy.
Track after track,with the exception of a few,the message is repeated over and over; the story about how the hail of hollow points leaves your shit wide open has been narration by too many rappers,coroners and morticians. But,for the underground heads who love the finest of gangster cuts,this is a keeper. ATL caters to and strokes the egos of the strong and creates bitches of the weak at heart.
The fattest tracks,however,belong to Mad Harv Dog and E.V.E. Harv extenuates the pussyfooting' around that some so-called gangster rappers are trying' to the forefront. With cuts like Rest Your Neck and Full Time,Harv pillages the subconscious and coerces the act of doing' dumb shit. It doesn't matter if your thumping' in a hoopty or sumthin' plush,you're talking' this shit on the chin.
Contrastively,E.V.E provides the remedy that makes this album worth buying by adding a well need lady's touch to a "five outta ten" cut album. Her smooth-ass style and iconoclastic lyrics-she lets a brotha know from the git-go that GOD created her to improve on man--clearly articulate her intension to have a stranglehold on the game for years to come. On her cut,Wake Me Up,she shows and proves her dexterity by relishing her sexy-ass voice to the hook: If you give me a minute to make you understand,then wake me up.
If your looking for some true underground shit to strongarm your ass from the neck up,Crime Files will choke the shit outta ya.

-Kirk "Chocolate" Queenan-
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Niggaz4Life VS Who Am I?
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=148792.msg1917068#msg1917068
Here's a interesting AboveThe Law interview.
-Cold 187um claims Dre stole concepts for Niggaz4Life from Kokane´s; Who Am i? album. (produced by Cold 187um)
-Talk about a track called "Don't Come to the hood"
-And of course all the drama around Black Mafia Life and The Chronic.

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credits issue;
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http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=148792.msg1709183#msg1709183
Above The Law and Eazy-E interview on WBLS NYC 1990
http://www.youtube.com/v/_cdmPt5NrSg&rel

About Wizards Of Rock (their history and what not)
From the Pm's I'm gettin i think a lot of people are interested in this track. Hutch's first group, pre-above the law.
(http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/9616/wizzardsofrockxv2.jpg)
http://rapidshare.com/files/87314995/Wizzards_of_Rock_-_Good_Thang.mp3.html





Feed back;
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Now I didn’t have a problem with that because, as I just explained to you, I was his understudy, no problem, you know what I’m saying,
you know, you give some stuff, I give some stuff, we gel together, you know what I mean?
What my problem was, when you’re addressed with it and you know ‘how did you find this new sound or whatever’, you didn’t say,
‘well, it’s this kid I worked with -- 187aka Big Hutch -- you know, so on and so on,I got the theory from him
and he never really coined the fact of where it ever came from.


Well,there you have it Dre.... remember to print that big and bold in the Detox booklet  :P :laugh:
Maybe we can finally rest and leave this behind us  :P


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If you notice, if you look at the Deep Cover soundtrack I have music on the Deep Cover soundtrack as well as Snoop
That’s another thing;
I was supposed to be on the Deep Cover record. They just imitated my voice. That’s why he say it like that “cause it’s 187 on an undercover cop”
You know, it’s time for the truth to be told, I know it’s gonna hurt a lot of people but it needs to be told.


Nima; Ask Snoop about this next time you hook up with him  ;)
Title: Re: Exclusive: BIG HUTCH AKA COLD 187UM (Dr. Dre/Eazy E/Jerry Heller/Snoop)
Post by: krook look bugzy on September 11, 2008, 12:27:27 PM
SORRY ASS NO DROPPING RECORD HOEZ! DONT HATE ON HUTCH!


HAHA!
Title: Re: Exclusive: BIG HUTCH AKA COLD 187UM (Dr. Dre/Eazy E/Jerry Heller/Snoop)
Post by: Dre-Day on September 11, 2008, 12:30:06 PM
SORRY ASS NO DROPPING RECORD HOEZ! DONT HATE ON HUTCH!


HAHA!

can't you read?  :loco: