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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: Elano on October 10, 2008, 03:15:07 AM
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I think this question is rhetorical, but is the era of the super producer completely over? I can’t help but feel that whole idea is a product of the old music industry, the one that is being disregarded and left for dead more and more as each day passes.
The one hit wonder, with a big record that breaks regionally before spreading nationally, or comes to life via myspace or a youtube video- the one hit wonder has put the super producer out of business. And why? Probably for a few reasons, but the main one being that super producers just aren’t very reliable when it comes to making hits anymore. They recreate a sound that worked once, over and over again, and consumers are too smart for that nowadays. They’re not buying it. You have to be more creative. You can’t just keep selling them the wheel. You really do have to reinvent it.
Notable current and former super producers who I think are stuggling for relevancy, regardless of whether they’ve had hits recently:
1) swizz beats- his sound is just not interesting anymore. Too much yelling, not enough substance.
2) the neptunes- better as a rock band
3) scott storch- where’s this guy been?
4) lil jon- see above. Crunk really is dead.
5) Dr. Dre- headphones> songs he produced in last three years
Who else is struggling for relevancy? Who are the new super producers that have taken their place?
(xxl)
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yes ,cause artist are buying beats cheaper from no name producers now...plus technology allows the average joe to come up off some heat he has made at home,and could just as easy sell a dope beat to (whom ever)...i see alot of this going on now days.
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I think this question is rhetorical, but is the era of the super producer completely over? I can’t help but feel that whole idea is a product of the old music industry, the one that is being disregarded and left for dead more and more as each day passes.
The one hit wonder, with a big record that breaks regionally before spreading nationally, or comes to life via myspace or a youtube video- the one hit wonder has put the super producer out of business. And why? Probably for a few reasons, but the main one being that super producers just aren’t very reliable when it comes to making hits anymore. They recreate a sound that worked once, over and over again, and consumers are too smart for that nowadays. They’re not buying it. You have to be more creative. You can’t just keep selling them the wheel. You really do have to reinvent it.
Notable current and former super producers who I think are stuggling for relevancy, regardless of whether they’ve had hits recently:
1) swizz beats- his sound is just not interesting anymore. Too much yelling, not enough substance.
2) the neptunes- better as a rock band
3) scott storch- where’s this guy been?
4) lil jon- see above. Crunk really is dead.
5) Dr. Dre- headphones> songs he produced in last three years
Who else is struggling for relevancy? Who are the new super producers that have taken their place?
(xxl)
Kane Beatz 8) Is the Future, Real Talk..."Kane Is In The Building, Nigga...AHAHAHAH!"
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I'd say hell no it's not over, and yes its really really bad for Hip Hop...
Cats like Timbaland, Polow, Toomp are some current super producers that come to mind off top...
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I'd say hell no it's not over, and yes its really really bad for Hip Hop...
Cats like Timbaland, Polow, Toomp are some current super producers that come to mind off top...
Tim and Toomp do produce a lot of quality shit and Toomp deserves everything he´s getting after putting 20 years into the game. but a lot of so called super producers are kinda destroying music coz they find a formula that works and they milk it to the core. i think Polow and the Neptunes are pretty good examples of that coz even to this day i can call a Neptunes produced track after just listening to a song for a couple of seconds and that´s not a good look.
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i think Polow and the Neptunes are pretty good examples of that coz even to this day i can call a Neptunes produced track after just listening to a song for a couple of seconds and that´s not a good look.
its the same for timbaland
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i think Polow and the Neptunes are pretty good examples of that coz even to this day i can call a Neptunes produced track after just listening to a song for a couple of seconds and that´s not a good look.
its the same for timbaland
i agree but he does have more variety in his tracks IMO. and his shit recent shit have been better then theirs but he needs to slow down coz he´s oversaturated the market in the last 2 years.
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timbaland as well, i can summarize timbaland beats in 5 to 10 timbo beats...JR, Danja, Focus, real producers of today
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the era is not over, but it's dying. this is actually good, the sound of Hip-Hop was getting too uniformed.
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everything in 360 degreees
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Super Producer is far from over... FAR , established hip hop producers get called upon to add some magic to POP acts.. record labels know this, so they pair up people like Gwen stefani with the neptunes, depeche mode with timbaland, christina aguelera with dj premier etc.
Consumers are stupid, the average consumer doesnt care about all his beats sound the same, its only those hypocritical guys on the internet which is only a very very small factor when it comes to determining a hit or not (See D4L or Crank Dat Soulja Boy) As long as the beat is catchy and the Chorus is Catchy and u rhyme words with a cool guy attitude = hit. Super Producers are still a dominant force and will always be in all MUSIC.
and yes kane beatz is the shit im currently bumpin that rob g feat swisha house - Drop Top prod by kane beatz
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I like J.R. beats ::)
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I'd say hell no it's not over, and yes its really really bad for Hip Hop...
Cats like Timbaland, Polow, Toomp are some current super producers that come to mind off top...
Tim and Toomp do produce a lot of quality shit and Toomp deserves everything he´s getting after putting 20 years into the game. but a lot of so called super producers are kinda destroying music coz they find a formula that works and they milk it to the core. i think Polow and the Neptunes are pretty good examples of that coz even to this day i can call a Neptunes produced track after just listening to a song for a couple of seconds and that´s not a good look.
If that's the case.....Berry Gordy was a superproducer who milked his formula....Teddy Riley milked his even worst. Quincy Jones was one of the few who could change his style and never milked one sound. But Motown became a factory that produced microwave pop acts in the 60's until people slowly got tired of the formula...but they always had some very soulful acts as well.
For those who aren't familiar with New Jack Swing, Teddy Riley milked the HELL out of that formula. As much as I love some of the songs, that era was him taking that formula of Rap + R&B, putting that slightly off beat swing to it, using the 80's synths and drums, and he milked it to the COOOOOOOORE.
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danja is the best producer working today if you consider all genres. i'd probably put dre and quik up there too if they were still putting out much music. i don't care for the superproducers label i just care about quality output. premo is still doing it, khalil has some heat too.
i feel like jr has gone stale, timbaland is running out of ideas again and scott storch might be coming back (the new 50 track is a heater) but only cause he's been hanging around with/co-producing with dre again.
danja is the dude who's on top of all the pop/r&b producers. lets face it hip-hop hasn't really been so big or relevant in the market for a while...
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No.
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statik selektah, black milk, jake one, premo, pete rock, 9th wonder
just to name a few are still making heavey beats, so no i think the era of the super producer is not over.
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It isn't dead at all. People like Dr. Dre, Timbaland, Kanye, DJ Toomp, and DJ Premier is still here creating great musical backdrops for some of the best hip hop ever made.
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no, there will always be demand for skills. super producers have skills and they are consistent.
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Focus is a mad nice producer. future super lol.
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Scott Storch - Wheres He Been? Are u fuckin kidding me? This guys been grindin hard, makin crazy beats as of late!!!
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^Storch is a beast still! He's making a strong comeback this year 8)
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Scott Storch - Wheres He Been? Are u fuckin kidding me? This guys been grindin hard, makin crazy beats as of late!!!
storch is broke :D
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statik selektah, black milk, jake one, premo, pete rock, 9th wonder
just to name a few are still making heavey beats, so no i think the era of the super producer is not over.
lol at you mentioning a bunch of producers that´s not even close to super producer status(Premo included).
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Dark Child
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statik selektah, black milk, jake one, premo, pete rock, 9th wonder
just to name a few are still making heavey beats, so no i think the era of the super producer is not over.
lol at you mentioning a bunch of producers that´s not even close to super producer status(Premo included).
listen i bet you couldnt even name 3 songs from each of the procucers i named. Which makes your opinion absolutley meaningless.
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statik selektah, black milk, jake one, premo, pete rock, 9th wonder
just to name a few are still making heavey beats, so no i think the era of the super producer is not over.
lol at you mentioning a bunch of producers that´s not even close to super producer status(Premo included).
listen i bet you couldnt even name 3 songs from each of the procucers i named. Which makes your opinion absolutley meaningless.
if you think you know more about those producers then i do then you must not have a clue.
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statik selektah, black milk, jake one, premo, pete rock, 9th wonder
just to name a few are still making heavey beats, so no i think the era of the super producer is not over.
lol at you mentioning a bunch of producers that´s not even close to super producer status(Premo included).
listen i bet you couldnt even name 3 songs from each of the procucers i named. Which makes your opinion absolutley meaningless.
if you think you know more about those producers then i do then you must not have a clue.
lets face it buddy, your a tool.
Who would you consider to be a super producer, if Dj Premier and Pete Rock arent on your list?
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^a super producer is a person that produces super smash hits and it´s not like Premo or Pete have produced tons of number 1 records. as far as pure talent their great but their not a force in the music industry. and lol at you calling me a tool.
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Premo's a super producer, the other cat's are all dope, but are yet to break super producer standards I reckon
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Toomp, Drumma Boy, Shawty Redd, Focus, Khalil, Terrace Martin, Quik, Teddy Riley, Dae One, Timbaland, etc.
can go on all day
so many dope producers out there still
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Premo's a super producer, the other cat's are all dope, but are yet to break super producer standards I reckon
Premo was a super producer, when everyone's street hit had to have Premo's scratching. But now Premo is doing his thing on the low and not on that level.
Timbo, Kanye, Will.I.Am., those are more today's super-producer.
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Premo's a super producer, the other cat's are all dope, but are yet to break super producer standards I reckon
Premo was a super producer, when everyone's street hit had to have Premo's scratching. But now Premo is doing his thing on the low and not on that level.
Timbo, Kanye, Will.I.Am., those are more today's super-producer.
Yeah I'll give ya that, Timbo and Kanye got the game on lock. Cool and Dre and DJ Toomp doing it pretty big aswell
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Premo's a super producer, the other cat's are all dope, but are yet to break super producer standards I reckon
Premo was a super producer, when everyone's street hit had to have Premo's scratching. But now Premo is doing his thing on the low and not on that level.
Timbo, Kanye, Will.I.Am., those are more today's super-producer.
Yeah I'll give ya that, Timbo and Kanye got the game on lock. Cool and Dre and DJ Toomp doing it pretty big aswell
yeah... the list is a little bit longer, but Timbo and Kanye are the two that comes to mind first. Cool and Dre is doing it real big.
One thing that's weird is Swizz Beats not on any list anymore. Some others are not on that level anymore, but their impact on the game is still huge.
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YES, IF U NOTICE ALL THE HOT BEATS NOW ARE COMING FROM THE INTERNET PRODUCERS.
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danja is todays premier super-producer.
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danja is todays premier super-producer.
it´s just too bad for him that Timbo got most of the credit for the style he created. and that style has already been played out on Justin,Nelly and Timbo´s albums.
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danja is todays premier super-producer.
Fuck that, that nikka can't do street beats.. He can do club songs, and love songs.. 2 typa styles...
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statik selektah, black milk, jake one, premo, pete rock, 9th wonder
just to name a few are still making heavey beats, so no i think the era of the super producer is not over.
lol at you mentioning a bunch of producers that´s not even close to super producer status(Premo included).
listen i bet you couldnt even name 3 songs from each of the procucers i named. Which makes your opinion absolutley meaningless.
if you think you know more about those producers then i do then you must not have a clue.
I'm saying though! You can find no-names on the internet that are making beats like this and they are just as good!
Now, if u get into who created a particular brand of style that the new cats are perfecting.. U can name about 5 pioneers then u gotta stop!
To me a super producer can do every typa style. Timbo, Dre West coast, NY Sample, bouncy South Lil Jon... AND be good at all of them.
Kanye is a close one, he seemed to have accomplished many styles, even tho he's a huge sampler..
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i would say danja's style is far from played out. he's far more experimental with his sound (largely due to the electronic influence) than most other 'super producers' and for that reason will continue to innovate instead of staying in the same place. i'd also argue he can make street joints just as good as the next man, a few examples being a couple of tracks with bishop lamont (donkey kong savage was great), that fat joe track and there's a cool beat on the new D.O.E mixtape too.
if you look past the fact that he doesn't put out as many hip-hop joints compared to other mentioned producers (a lot of which work exclusively within hip-hop) he is still extremely versatile and better than the rest right now. super producer = hit records worldwide and versatility, not just producing rap records, however skillful...
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statik selektah, black milk, jake one, premo, pete rock, 9th wonder
just to name a few are still making heavey beats, so no i think the era of the super producer is not over.
lol at you mentioning a bunch of producers that´s not even close to super producer status(Premo included).
listen i bet you couldnt even name 3 songs from each of the procucers i named. Which makes your opinion absolutley meaningless.
if you think you know more about those producers then i do then you must not have a clue.
I'm saying though! You can find no-names on the internet that are making beats like this and they are just as good!
Now, if u get into who created a particular brand of style that the new cats are perfecting.. U can name about 5 pioneers then u gotta stop!
To me a super producer can do every typa style. Timbo, Dre West coast, NY Sample, bouncy South Lil Jon... AND be good at all of them.
Kanye is a close one, he seemed to have accomplished many styles, even tho he's a huge sampler..
Hip-Hop=sampling
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statik selektah, black milk, jake one, premo, pete rock, 9th wonder
just to name a few are still making heavey beats, so no i think the era of the super producer is not over.
lol at you mentioning a bunch of producers that´s not even close to super producer status(Premo included).
listen i bet you couldnt even name 3 songs from each of the procucers i named. Which makes your opinion absolutley meaningless.
if you think you know more about those producers then i do then you must not have a clue.
I'm saying though! You can find no-names on the internet that are making beats like this and they are just as good!
Now, if u get into who created a particular brand of style that the new cats are perfecting.. U can name about 5 pioneers then u gotta stop!
To me a super producer can do every typa style. Timbo, Dre West coast, NY Sample, bouncy South Lil Jon... AND be good at all of them.
Kanye is a close one, he seemed to have accomplished many styles, even tho he's a huge sampler..
Hip-Hop=sampling
can timbo produce street/gangsta shit?? theres no tracks that come to mind ::)
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statik selektah, black milk, jake one, premo, pete rock, 9th wonder
just to name a few are still making heavey beats, so no i think the era of the super producer is not over.
lol at you mentioning a bunch of producers that´s not even close to super producer status(Premo included).
listen i bet you couldnt even name 3 songs from each of the procucers i named. Which makes your opinion absolutley meaningless.
if you think you know more about those producers then i do then you must not have a clue.
I'm saying though! You can find no-names on the internet that are making beats like this and they are just as good!
Now, if u get into who created a particular brand of style that the new cats are perfecting.. U can name about 5 pioneers then u gotta stop!
To me a super producer can do every typa style. Timbo, Dre West coast, NY Sample, bouncy South Lil Jon... AND be good at all of them.
Kanye is a close one, he seemed to have accomplished many styles, even tho he's a huge sampler..
Hip-Hop=sampling
No shit Sherlock? I meant he samples alot, more than others.. If u don't see that in his beats, u don't know Hip-Hop...
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statik selektah, black milk, jake one, premo, pete rock, 9th wonder
just to name a few are still making heavey beats, so no i think the era of the super producer is not over.
lol at you mentioning a bunch of producers that´s not even close to super producer status(Premo included).
listen i bet you couldnt even name 3 songs from each of the procucers i named. Which makes your opinion absolutley meaningless.
if you think you know more about those producers then i do then you must not have a clue.
I'm saying though! You can find no-names on the internet that are making beats like this and they are just as good!
Now, if u get into who created a particular brand of style that the new cats are perfecting.. U can name about 5 pioneers then u gotta stop!
To me a super producer can do every typa style. Timbo, Dre West coast, NY Sample, bouncy South Lil Jon... AND be good at all of them.
Kanye is a close one, he seemed to have accomplished many styles, even tho he's a huge sampler..
Hip-Hop=sampling
can timbo produce street/gangsta shit?? theres no tracks that come to mind ::)
He has a few scattered over his career, but their sound isn't really what appeals to me when I feel like flashing and being wreckless.. I wasn't saying those are super producers, I was saying those are some typa styles that u need to master.. Those would be the pioneers of each style..
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i don't see why you'd have to master any existing 'styles' apart from doing your own sound, whatever the influences may be. especially producers in the 'super producer' category should be bringing their own sound to the table. that's exactly why you could accuse timbaland of not producing 'gangsta' or 'street' tracks, cause he definitely has, just not in a familiar style.
to argue who is the best hip-hop producer is a different argument. the most street or gangsta doesn't = the best nor is it compulsory to produce anything in an already established style.
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i don't care who's hot; it's the quality that counts for me.
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i don't see why you'd have to master any existing 'styles' apart from doing your own sound, whatever the influences may be. especially producers in the 'super producer' category should be bringing their own sound to the table. that's exactly why you could accuse timbaland of not producing 'gangsta' or 'street' tracks, cause he definitely has, just not in a familiar style.
to argue who is the best hip-hop producer is a different argument. the most street or gangsta doesn't = the best nor is it compulsory to produce anything in an already established style.
True, but for a good producer has to be versatile. Whatever mood you are in, you can count on him to have instrumentals that will vibe to that..
Sometimes you feel in love, sometimes you feel like partying, sometimes you feel angry, depressed..
But I guess it's all a matter of taste, cuz there are alot of versatile producers out there..
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statik selektah, black milk, jake one, premo, pete rock, 9th wonder
just to name a few are still making heavey beats, so no i think the era of the super producer is not over.
lol at you mentioning a bunch of producers that´s not even close to super producer status(Premo included).
listen i bet you couldnt even name 3 songs from each of the procucers i named. Which makes your opinion absolutley meaningless.
if you think you know more about those producers then i do then you must not have a clue.
I'm saying though! You can find no-names on the internet that are making beats like this and they are just as good!
Now, if u get into who created a particular brand of style that the new cats are perfecting.. U can name about 5 pioneers then u gotta stop!
To me a super producer can do every typa style. Timbo, Dre West coast, NY Sample, bouncy South Lil Jon... AND be good at all of them.
Kanye is a close one, he seemed to have accomplished many styles, even tho he's a huge sampler..
Hip-Hop=sampling
No shit Sherlock? I meant he samples alot, more than others.. If u don't see that in his beats, u don't know Hip-Hop...
Every single DJ Premier beat is a sample. He doesn't use original material at all. The way he cuts the samples is what makes him a good producer because no one can do it like him.
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statik selektah, black milk, jake one, premo, pete rock, 9th wonder
just to name a few are still making heavey beats, so no i think the era of the super producer is not over.
lol at you mentioning a bunch of producers that´s not even close to super producer status(Premo included).
listen i bet you couldnt even name 3 songs from each of the procucers i named. Which makes your opinion absolutley meaningless.
if you think you know more about those producers then i do then you must not have a clue.
I'm saying though! You can find no-names on the internet that are making beats like this and they are just as good!
Now, if u get into who created a particular brand of style that the new cats are perfecting.. U can name about 5 pioneers then u gotta stop!
To me a super producer can do every typa style. Timbo, Dre West coast, NY Sample, bouncy South Lil Jon... AND be good at all of them.
Kanye is a close one, he seemed to have accomplished many styles, even tho he's a huge sampler..
Hip-Hop=sampling
No shit Sherlock? I meant he samples alot, more than others.. If u don't see that in his beats, u don't know Hip-Hop...
Every single DJ Premier beat is a sample. He doesn't use original material at all. The way he cuts the samples is what makes him a good producer because no one can do it like him.
Yes, we already know Premier is a huge sampler and a dope beat maker. What is your point?
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statik selektah, black milk, jake one, premo, pete rock, 9th wonder
just to name a few are still making heavey beats, so no i think the era of the super producer is not over.
lol at you mentioning a bunch of producers that´s not even close to super producer status(Premo included).
listen i bet you couldnt even name 3 songs from each of the procucers i named. Which makes your opinion absolutley meaningless.
if you think you know more about those producers then i do then you must not have a clue.
I'm saying though! You can find no-names on the internet that are making beats like this and they are just as good!
Now, if u get into who created a particular brand of style that the new cats are perfecting.. U can name about 5 pioneers then u gotta stop!
To me a super producer can do every typa style. Timbo, Dre West coast, NY Sample, bouncy South Lil Jon... AND be good at all of them.
Kanye is a close one, he seemed to have accomplished many styles, even tho he's a huge sampler..
Hip-Hop=sampling
No shit Sherlock? I meant he samples alot, more than others.. If u don't see that in his beats, u don't know Hip-Hop...
Every single DJ Premier beat is a sample. He doesn't use original material at all. The way he cuts the samples is what makes him a good producer because no one can do it like him.
Yes, we already know Premier is a huge sampler and a dope beat maker. What is your point?
The way he cuts the samples is what makes him a good producer because no one can do it like him.
That is my point. You were trying to split hairs saying Kanye samples too much, so I refuted your claim citing a very respectable producer who ONLY used samples. He doesn't use a keyboard or drums or piano, etc. Just turn tables and probably ProTools. I can't think of one Premo beat which contains any original sequence of notes that he contemplated and physically played himself.
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statik selektah, black milk, jake one, premo, pete rock, 9th wonder
just to name a few are still making heavey beats, so no i think the era of the super producer is not over.
lol at you mentioning a bunch of producers that´s not even close to super producer status(Premo included).
listen i bet you couldnt even name 3 songs from each of the procucers i named. Which makes your opinion absolutley meaningless.
if you think you know more about those producers then i do then you must not have a clue.
I'm saying though! You can find no-names on the internet that are making beats like this and they are just as good!
Now, if u get into who created a particular brand of style that the new cats are perfecting.. U can name about 5 pioneers then u gotta stop!
To me a super producer can do every typa style. Timbo, Dre West coast, NY Sample, bouncy South Lil Jon... AND be good at all of them.
Kanye is a close one, he seemed to have accomplished many styles, even tho he's a huge sampler..
Hip-Hop=sampling
No shit Sherlock? I meant he samples alot, more than others.. If u don't see that in his beats, u don't know Hip-Hop...
Every single DJ Premier beat is a sample. He doesn't use original material at all. The way he cuts the samples is what makes him a good producer because no one can do it like him.
Yes, we already know Premier is a huge sampler and a dope beat maker. What is your point?
The way he cuts the samples is what makes him a good producer because no one can do it like him.
That is my point. You were trying to split hairs saying Kanye samples too much, so I refuted your claim citing a very respectable producer who ONLY used samples. He doesn't use a keyboard or drums or piano, etc. Just turn tables and probably ProTools. I can't think of one Premo beat which contains any original sequence of notes that he contemplated and physically played himself.
I said Kanye is a huge sampler. Sampling can discredit from your artistry, because of the pure nature of the method.. I don't deny that alot of people (including myself) don't care that beats have samples, and it take's some skills to arrange them...
Kanye can do alot of different styles, EVEN THO THE MOODS HE PORTRAYS ARE SOMETIMES RESPONSIBLE FROM THE SAMPLES HE USES..
There, is that better?