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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: D-Nice on October 12, 2008, 08:52:54 PM
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Is it because the perception is he co writes with them or what? Just wondering.
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hm, very good question D! im'a +1 u right now cause lord knows the haters will be hitting the infamous "diss" button in no time ;D
Im'a (throw out an answer) guess because he at one time wrote all his rhymes? Unlike Eazy or Dre who never did/have.
maybe another (possible) answer is his ghost writers are liked as well? Doc, Problem, Lucc, etc?
good topic/question though!
+1 ;D
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snoop is a phoney
was GREAT in the 90s
needs to hang it up now and quit pretending he's still able to rap
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hm, very good question D! im'a +1 u right now cause lord knows the haters will be hitting the infamous "diss" button in no time ;D
Im'a (throw out an answer) guess because he at one time wrote all his rhymes? Unlike Eazy or Dre who never did/have.
maybe another (possible) answer is his ghost writers are liked as well? Doc, Problem, Lucc, etc?
good topic/question though!
+1 ;D
I hope they do hit the diss button. If this was Ice Cube or Xzibit or even Game they would not get no pass, but why does Snoop? Co writing is one thing, but he blatantly said people wrote songs for him even on Ego Trippin. Nothing really was said about it.
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hm, very good question D! im'a +1 u right now cause lord knows the haters will be hitting the infamous "diss" button in no time ;D
Im'a (throw out an answer) guess because he at one time wrote all his rhymes? Unlike Eazy or Dre who never did/have.
maybe another (possible) answer is his ghost writers are liked as well? Doc, Problem, Lucc, etc?
good topic/question though!
+1 ;D
I hope they do hit the diss button. If this was Ice Cube or Xzibit or even Game they would not get no pass, but why does Snoop? Co writing is one thing, but he blatantly said people wrote songs for him even on Ego Trippin. Nothing really was said about it.
ain't that the truth!
it doesn't personally bother me, and it didn't/doesn't with Eazy/Dre and wouldn't with Cube/Xzibit/Game/Etc.
Ya, he fully said songs were completely written for him on Ego Trippin
don't really know why ppl don't comment on this more
good topic-starter D!
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You can ask the same about Dr. Dre. At least Snoop writes some of his raps. Dre doesn't even create his own beats anymore, let alone write rhymes.
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hm, very good question D! im'a +1 u right now cause lord knows the haters will be hitting the infamous "diss" button in no time ;D
Im'a (throw out an answer) guess because he at one time wrote all his rhymes? Unlike Eazy or Dre who never did/have.
maybe another (possible) answer is his ghost writers are liked as well? Doc, Problem, Lucc, etc?
good topic/question though!
+1 ;D
I hope they do hit the diss button. If this was Ice Cube or Xzibit or even Game they would not get no pass, but why does Snoop? Co writing is one thing, but he blatantly said people wrote songs for him even on Ego Trippin. Nothing really was said about it.
ain't that the truth!
it doesn't personally bother me, and it didn't/doesn't with Eazy/Dre and wouldn't with Cube/Xzibit/Game/Etc.
Ya, he fully said songs were completely written for him on Ego Trippin
don't really know why ppl don't comment on this more
good topic-starter D!
I appreciate all Dre and Eazy did for the game, but even on a rapping tip, they used them. Not to say I don't enjoy they songs, I just think man Cube wrote Eazy a killer verse or Eminem wrote Dre some heat for this album. I will give credit to the writer. ghostwriting is what it is, but I always wondered why Snoop is exempt from any flack for that.
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It seems like Ego Trippin' was an experimental experience. In one of his interviews, I remember him mentioning Diana Ross and how soul & r&b people rely on ghostwriters and that he was sort of in a position in his own career where he was able to get away with having ghostwriters. At least that's how he justified it anyway.
Here's another thought to add to the your own question D. Does having ghostwriters mean you're not considered an MC but a Rapper? The ol' MC vs. Rapper debate applies to this scenario as well, perhaps?
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hm, very good question D! im'a +1 u right now cause lord knows the haters will be hitting the infamous "diss" button in no time ;D
Im'a (throw out an answer) guess because he at one time wrote all his rhymes? Unlike Eazy or Dre who never did/have.
maybe another (possible) answer is his ghost writers are liked as well? Doc, Problem, Lucc, etc?
good topic/question though!
+1 ;D
I hope they do hit the diss button. If this was Ice Cube or Xzibit or even Game they would not get no pass, but why does Snoop? Co writing is one thing, but he blatantly said people wrote songs for him even on Ego Trippin. Nothing really was said about it.
ain't that the truth!
it doesn't personally bother me, and it didn't/doesn't with Eazy/Dre and wouldn't with Cube/Xzibit/Game/Etc.
Ya, he fully said songs were completely written for him on Ego Trippin
don't really know why ppl don't comment on this more
good topic-starter D!
I appreciate all Dre and Eazy did for the game, but even on a rapping tip, they used them. Not to say I don't enjoy they songs, I just think man Cube wrote Eazy a killer verse or Eminem wrote Dre some heat for this album. I will give credit to the writer. ghostwriting is what it is, but I always wondered why Snoop is exempt from any flack for that.
oh I know u do dog! i feel u, credit to the writer is well deserved and doesn't happen as often as it should.
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You can ask the same about Dr. Dre. At least Snoop writes some of his raps. Dre doesn't even create his own beats anymore, let alone write rhymes.
Dre does it so much it ain't even worth mentioning. With Dre I get the whole work with me and get the props, you write me a 16 and get famous deal with that.
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You can ask the same about Dr. Dre. At least Snoop writes some of his raps. Dre doesn't even create his own beats anymore, let alone write rhymes.
Dre does it so much it ain't even worth mentioning. With Dre I get the whole work with me and get the props, you write me a 16 and get famous deal with that.
yeah, we should all be beyond talkin' about dre using ghost writers..it doesn't worry me, what would worry me is if we begin to hear dre is writing his own
jokes :laugh:
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You can ask the same about Dr. Dre. At least Snoop writes some of his raps. Dre doesn't even create his own beats anymore, let alone write rhymes.
Dre does it so much it ain't even worth mentioning. With Dre I get the whole work with me and get the props, you write me a 16 and get famous deal with that.
Writing for Dre is a free meal ticket for life, since you'll be collecting from the publishing royalties alone, even if you never farted on the track.
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Its prolly cuz alota people didnt even like the Ego Trippin album and feel Snoops done better when he wrote his own shit....So its not like Snoop NEEDS these guys to write for him. Whatever tho, I think some of the shit on Ego Trippin was dope, but Snoop can also make dope shit on his own too.
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You can ask the same about Dr. Dre. At least Snoop writes some of his raps. Dre doesn't even create his own beats anymore, let alone write rhymes.
But Dre is a producer first hand.
Snoop is a rapper who doesnt write. You see how that doesnt make any sense?
Snoop that nigga and i got love for him but lets be honest 9/10 cats would not get a pass from that.
The fact that Dre even gets more grief for not writing his own shit when he's a producer more than Snoop is weird.
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It seems like Ego Trippin' was an experimental experience. In one of his interviews, I remember him mentioning Diana Ross and how soul & r&b people rely on ghostwriters and that he was sort of in a position in his own career where he was able to get away with having ghostwriters. At least that's how he justified it anyway.
Here's another thought to add to the your own question D. Does having ghostwriters mean you're not considered an MC but a Rapper? The ol' MC vs. Rapper debate applies to this scenario as well, perhaps?
But to be honest with you, Ego Trippin did not have out of this world lyrics, ghostwritten or not. I look at the verses from Blue Carpet Treatment and they SHIT on most of Ego Trippin that both had ghostwriters. R&B is a little different, a perfect example is like a Mariah Carey. She don't write hardly any of her stuff but Snoop to most is considered a MC (well probably not anymore to most) so if I hear a really dope rhyme from him, I normally assume he wrote it. Like the song Think About It
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XItmkXZgxr8
This song lyrically is str8 insane. I would be hella disappointed if he did not write this. This is some MC shit.
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I think people are just used to Dre gettin other people to write his stuff.. we dont really care that much (well i dont). Plus we want him to focus more on the production, than writing a dope 16 anyway. :P
As for Snoop, im not to worried that he doesnt write his shit.
Has Snoop ever said he doesnt havnt ghostwriters?
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The fact that Dre even gets more grief for not writing his own shit when he's a producer more than Snoop is weird.
bring up a good point as well...
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You can ask the same about Dr. Dre. At least Snoop writes some of his raps. Dre doesn't even create his own beats anymore, let alone write rhymes.
But Dre is a producer first hand.
Snoop is a rapper who doesnt write. You see how that doesnt make any sense?
Snoop that nigga and i got love for him but lets be honest 9/10 cats would not get a pass from that.
The fact that Dre even gets more grief for not writing his own shit when he's a producer more than Snoop is weird.
But these days Dre isn't even creating his own beats either. Just mixing and engineering and whatnot.
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You can ask the same about Dr. Dre. At least Snoop writes some of his raps. Dre doesn't even create his own beats anymore, let alone write rhymes.
Dre does it so much it ain't even worth mentioning. With Dre I get the whole work with me and get the props, you write me a 16 and get famous deal with that.
yeah, we should all be beyond talkin' about dre using ghost writers..it doesn't worry me, what would worry me is if we begin to hear dre is writing his own
jokes :laugh:
LOL.
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simply put, Snoop's better days are way behind him. So as an emcee, we judge him off Doggystyle, Murder Was The Case, Top Dogg, Last Meal, what has leaked from the era. Snoop wrote his own shit. Since then, he doesn't write much, but at the same time his considered fallen off. No one judges Rakim passed the break up with Eric B. no one judges Tribe Called Quest passed their original break up, no one judges Ice Cube passed 1996 really, and what's put out since is considered a bonus to his legacy. So since Last Meal, no one judges Snoop, basically what's put out, like Pimp Slam or Drop It Like It's Hot, like Imagine, that's just a bonus.
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You can ask the same about Dr. Dre. At least Snoop writes some of his raps. Dre doesn't even create his own beats anymore, let alone write rhymes.
But Dre is a producer first hand.
Snoop is a rapper who doesnt write. You see how that doesnt make any sense?
Snoop that nigga and i got love for him but lets be honest 9/10 cats would not get a pass from that.
The fact that Dre even gets more grief for not writing his own shit when he's a producer more than Snoop is weird.
But these days Dre isn't even creating his own beats either. Just mixing and engineering and whatnot.
true true but you know Dre got fanatics here (Dre-Day and Chad Vader) who'll defend him no matter what. and its like that what can u do.
i already said Dre fell off a long time ago.
but it seems like wheneva me, Long Beach Iz Active or anybody else tells the truth about Dre and cats like that, we either get banned or people want us to get banned so they start snitching.
so it is what it is.
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I think people are just used to Dre gettin other people to write his stuff.. we dont really care that much (well i dont). Plus we want him to focus more on the production, than writing a dope 16 anyway. :P
As for Snoop, im not to worried that he doesnt write his shit.
Has Snoop ever said he doesnt havnt ghostwriters?
No he has not, and that is the shit that is crazy to me is that it seems cool to most or more people don't speak on it. With DOC I think the perception to most is they both co write the song. But even the last Dubcnn interview Nima did with DOC he said he himself wrote 3 songs for Snoop on BCT. But it ain't like people would check for DOC rapping Round Here if he did real talk. So DOC writing for people makes alot of sense.
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It seems like Ego Trippin' was an experimental experience. In one of his interviews, I remember him mentioning Diana Ross and how soul & r&b people rely on ghostwriters and that he was sort of in a position in his own career where he was able to get away with having ghostwriters. At least that's how he justified it anyway.
Here's another thought to add to the your own question D. Does having ghostwriters mean you're not considered an MC but a Rapper? The ol' MC vs. Rapper debate applies to this scenario as well, perhaps?
But to be honest with you, Ego Trippin did not have out of this world lyrics, ghostwritten or not. I look at the verses from Blue Carpet Treatment and they SHIT on most of Ego Trippin that both had ghostwriters. R&B is a little different, a perfect example is like a Mariah Carey. She don't write hardly any of her stuff but Snoop to most is considered a MC (well probably not anymore to most) so if I hear a really dope rhyme from him, I normally assume he wrote it. Like the song Think About It
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XItmkXZgxr8
This song lyrically is str8 insane. I would be hella disappointed if he did not write this. This is some MC shit.
I agree that TBCT > ET hands down. Perhaps he relied on too many ghostwriters for ET? I don't know for sure, but sometimes too much is just that, too much, so it loses its focus somewhere along the line. It is common knowledge that D.O.C. helped him with Doggystyle and that turned out to be a classic album from top-to-bottom. So in that case, less was more.
So maybe had he narrowed the ghostwriter's down to just 2 people and himself, it wouldn't have sounded as soft as it turned out? Who knows, but I still think he wanted to experiment with the album like an R&B artist would. Plus he seemed to have a lot of fun making the record, so that's another key point to consider to the equation.
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snoop is a phoney
was GREAT in the 90s
needs to hang it up now and quit pretending he's still able to rap
NOW WE FINALLY CAN AGREE ON SOMETHING.. FUCK SNOOP WIT HIS WEAK RAPPIN ASS AND HIS FRAUDULENT GANGBANGIN...
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simply put, Snoop's better days are way behind him. So as an emcee, we judge him off Doggystyle, Murder Was The Case, Top Dogg, Last Meal, what has leaked from the era. Snoop wrote his own shit. Since then, he doesn't write much, but at the same time his considered fallen off. No one judges Rakim passed the break up with Eric B. no one judges Tribe Called Quest passed their original break up, no one judges Ice Cube passed 1996 really, and what's put out since is considered a bonus to his legacy. So since Last Meal, no one judges Snoop, basically what's put out, like Pimp Slam or Drop It Like It's Hot, like Imagine, that's just a bonus.
Yeah that is true. Musically I think Snoop has dropped alot of dope shit over time. I think ever since Doggystyle though he has lacked that musical direction to really make a cohesive album throughout. Last Meal, Top Dogg and a couple others were close or damn near dead on, but maybe that has alot to do with it too, he really does not know what direction he wants to go with his music so he is open to ideas/songs to be written for him.
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It seems like Ego Trippin' was an experimental experience. In one of his interviews, I remember him mentioning Diana Ross and how soul & r&b people rely on ghostwriters and that he was sort of in a position in his own career where he was able to get away with having ghostwriters. At least that's how he justified it anyway.
Here's another thought to add to the your own question D. Does having ghostwriters mean you're not considered an MC but a Rapper? The ol' MC vs. Rapper debate applies to this scenario as well, perhaps?
But to be honest with you, Ego Trippin did not have out of this world lyrics, ghostwritten or not. I look at the verses from Blue Carpet Treatment and they SHIT on most of Ego Trippin that both had ghostwriters. R&B is a little different, a perfect example is like a Mariah Carey. She don't write hardly any of her stuff but Snoop to most is considered a MC (well probably not anymore to most) so if I hear a really dope rhyme from him, I normally assume he wrote it. Like the song Think About It
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XItmkXZgxr8
This song lyrically is str8 insane. I would be hella disappointed if he did not write this. This is some MC shit.
I agree that TBCT > ET hands down. Perhaps he relied on too many ghostwriters for ET? I don't know for sure, but sometimes too much is just that, too much, so it loses its focus somewhere along the line. It is common knowledge that D.O.C. helped him with Doggystyle and that turned out to be a classic album from top-to-bottom. So in that case, less was more.
So maybe had he narrowed the ghostwriter's down to just 2 people and himself, it wouldn't have sounded as soft as it turned out? Who knows, but I still think he wanted to experiment with the album like an R&B artist would. Plus he seemed to have a lot of fun making the record, so that's another key point to consider to the equation.
Yeah that could definitely be the case. I just would like to see Snoop do more on his own but maybe the motivation is not there to do it like that.
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Many of Snoop's projects have been inconsistent as well due to the bundle of material he throws on it - u can always expect 19-22 tracks
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Many of Snoop's projects have been inconsistent as well due to the bundle of material he throws on it - u can always expect 19-22 tracks
True.
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It seems like Ego Trippin' was an experimental experience. In one of his interviews, I remember him mentioning Diana Ross and how soul & r&b people rely on ghostwriters and that he was sort of in a position in his own career where he was able to get away with having ghostwriters. At least that's how he justified it anyway.
Here's another thought to add to the your own question D. Does having ghostwriters mean you're not considered an MC but a Rapper? The ol' MC vs. Rapper debate applies to this scenario as well, perhaps?
But to be honest with you, Ego Trippin did not have out of this world lyrics, ghostwritten or not. I look at the verses from Blue Carpet Treatment and they SHIT on most of Ego Trippin that both had ghostwriters. R&B is a little different, a perfect example is like a Mariah Carey. She don't write hardly any of her stuff but Snoop to most is considered a MC (well probably not anymore to most) so if I hear a really dope rhyme from him, I normally assume he wrote it. Like the song Think About It
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XItmkXZgxr8
This song lyrically is str8 insane. I would be hella disappointed if he did not write this. This is some MC shit.
I agree that TBCT > ET hands down. Perhaps he relied on too many ghostwriters for ET? I don't know for sure, but sometimes too much is just that, too much, so it loses its focus somewhere along the line. It is common knowledge that D.O.C. helped him with Doggystyle and that turned out to be a classic album from top-to-bottom. So in that case, less was more.
So maybe had he narrowed the ghostwriter's down to just 2 people and himself, it wouldn't have sounded as soft as it turned out? Who knows, but I still think he wanted to experiment with the album like an R&B artist would. Plus he seemed to have a lot of fun making the record, so that's another key point to consider to the equation.
Yeah that could definitely be the case. I just would like to see Snoop do more on his own but maybe the motivation is not there to do it like that.
Yeah, well it's anybody's guess what his motivation (or lack of) these days, so it is what it is. I ain't mad at him for it though, but you made some valid points that I agree with as far as whenever he does write his own stuff, or even if D.O.C. contributed to the tracks, he does sound better.
What are his plans for the next album, do you know?
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^he is back in the studio with Dre for the next album
so likely more the BCT route
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^he is back in the studio with Dre for the next album
so likely more the BCT route
Well that's a good thing. Dre & Snoop have great chemistry, so that should work well.
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It seems like Ego Trippin' was an experimental experience. In one of his interviews, I remember him mentioning Diana Ross and how soul & r&b people rely on ghostwriters and that he was sort of in a position in his own career where he was able to get away with having ghostwriters. At least that's how he justified it anyway.
Here's another thought to add to the your own question D. Does having ghostwriters mean you're not considered an MC but a Rapper? The ol' MC vs. Rapper debate applies to this scenario as well, perhaps?
But to be honest with you, Ego Trippin did not have out of this world lyrics, ghostwritten or not. I look at the verses from Blue Carpet Treatment and they SHIT on most of Ego Trippin that both had ghostwriters. R&B is a little different, a perfect example is like a Mariah Carey. She don't write hardly any of her stuff but Snoop to most is considered a MC (well probably not anymore to most) so if I hear a really dope rhyme from him, I normally assume he wrote it. Like the song Think About It
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XItmkXZgxr8
This song lyrically is str8 insane. I would be hella disappointed if he did not write this. This is some MC shit.
I agree that TBCT > ET hands down. Perhaps he relied on too many ghostwriters for ET? I don't know for sure, but sometimes too much is just that, too much, so it loses its focus somewhere along the line. It is common knowledge that D.O.C. helped him with Doggystyle and that turned out to be a classic album from top-to-bottom. So in that case, less was more.
So maybe had he narrowed the ghostwriter's down to just 2 people and himself, it wouldn't have sounded as soft as it turned out? Who knows, but I still think he wanted to experiment with the album like an R&B artist would. Plus he seemed to have a lot of fun making the record, so that's another key point to consider to the equation.
Yeah that could definitely be the case. I just would like to see Snoop do more on his own but maybe the motivation is not there to do it like that.
Yeah, well it's anybody's guess what his motivation (or lack of) these days, so it is what it is. I ain't mad at him for it though, but you made some valid points that I agree with as far as whenever he does write his own stuff, or even if D.O.C. contributed to the tracks, he does sound better.
What are his plans for the next album, do you know?
I would think yeah Snoop had fun on ET but he can't be happy with how it did. I say he goes back to a album more like BCT but with a more mainstream twist a bit. More tracks like a That's That Shit or something like that. I would love to see if he does do a more R&G album, for him to have Quik oversee it.
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^^I don't know why Snoop doesn't just have Quik exec. produce his next album. Have Dre throw a few heaters at him and then Quik do the rest. Quik's sound would mesh well with Snoop's delivery.
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I would think yeah Snoop had fun on ET but he can't be happy with how it did. I say he goes back to a album more like BCT but with a more mainstream twist a bit. More tracks like a That's That Shit or something like that. I would love to see if he does do a more R&G album, for him to have Quik oversee it.
100% this is what will happen
Quik over seeing an R&G type album would be NUTS though!
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I would think yeah Snoop had fun on ET but he can't be happy with how it did. I say he goes back to a album more like BCT but with a more mainstream twist a bit. More tracks like a That's That Shit or something like that. I would love to see if he does do a more R&G album, for him to have Quik oversee it.
100% this is what will happen
Quik over seeing an R&G type album would be NUTS though!
Rhythmalism Pt 2. Why not but with Snoop rapping over the beats.
^^I don't know why Snoop doesn't just have Quik exec. produce his next album. Have Dre throw a few heaters at him and then Quik do the rest. Quik's sound would mesh well with Snoop's delivery.
Because Snoop does not want to feel like he is leaving anyone out. But yeah musically that would be crazy. Press Play was dope on ET.
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I would think yeah Snoop had fun on ET but he can't be happy with how it did. I say he goes back to a album more like BCT but with a more mainstream twist a bit. More tracks like a That's That Shit or something like that. I would love to see if he does do a more R&G album, for him to have Quik oversee it.
100% this is what will happen
Quik over seeing an R&G type album would be NUTS though!
Rhythmalism Pt 2. Why not but with Snoop rapping over the beats.
^^I don't know why Snoop doesn't just have Quik exec. produce his next album. Have Dre throw a few heaters at him and then Quik do the rest. Quik's sound would mesh well with Snoop's delivery.
Because Snoop does not want to feel like he is leaving anyone out. But yeah musically that would be crazy. Press Play was dope on ET.
We'd forgive him if he only had Dre & Quik producing the whole album. ;) :laugh:
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See people dont now that Game co-wrote BCT.
But i think its just that Snoop is a legend and everybody love dude mostly for his personality so they pretty much accept anything and everything he does.
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See people dont now that Game co-wrote BCT.
But i think its just that Snoop is a legend and everybody love dude mostly for his personality so they pretty much accept anything and everything he does.
What did he co write on BCT?
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See people dont now that Game co-wrote BCT.
But i think its just that Snoop is a legend and everybody love dude mostly for his personality so they pretty much accept anything and everything he does.
What did he co write on BCT?
he's not credited but Game did co-write a few songs on that album. but maybe i should say ghostwrite because obviously people dont know.
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See people dont now that Game co-wrote BCT.
But i think its just that Snoop is a legend and everybody love dude mostly for his personality so they pretty much accept anything and everything he does.
What did he co write on BCT?
he's not credited but Game did co-write a few songs on that album. but maybe i should say ghostwrite because obviously people dont know.
Well that is news to me.
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You can ask the same about Dr. Dre. At least Snoop writes some of his raps. Dre doesn't even create his own beats anymore, let alone write rhymes.
But Dre is a producer first hand.
Snoop is a rapper who doesnt write. You see how that doesnt make any sense?
Snoop that nigga and i got love for him but lets be honest 9/10 cats would not get a pass from that.
The fact that Dre even gets more grief for not writing his own shit when he's a producer more than Snoop is weird.
But these days Dre isn't even creating his own beats either. Just mixing and engineering and whatnot.
true true but you know Dre got fanatics here (Dre-Day and Chad Vader) who'll defend him no matter what. and its like that what can u do.
i already said Dre fell off a long time ago.
but it seems like wheneva me, Long Beach Iz Active or anybody else tells the truth about Dre and cats like that, we either get banned or people want us to get banned so they start snitching.
so it is what it is.
since when do i defend Dre at all costs?
i know you're a game stan, but all irony aside, i'd like to see examples 8)
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i don't mind when d.o.c helps him. but problem and them other dudes make snoop sound worst. if you're an emcee you suppose to write ya own rhymes.
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I think it is because of Snoop's over all contribution to Hip-Hop. He released Doggystyle which is widely considered as a hip-hop classic and he did lots of great stuff back in the '90s, so he gets a pass with letting Casper write his shit today. Same thing with Dre and Eazy. Dre being one hell of a producer and Eazy-E being founder of Ruthless records which brought us , in example, NWA and Bone Thugs, so that's why I don't mind Dre and Eazy not writting their own rhymes.
There are rappers who don't get pass with this ghostwriting thing. Puff Daddy for example. He introduced us Notorious B.I.G. which was a good thing, but on the other hand he assassinated 2Pac and clad wiggers in really shitty looking clothes. He gets no pass.
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HERE'S THE ANSWER.
He's not known for his lyrics and is not a battle rapper, therefore he generally gets a pass. He also doesn't hide the fact that people write for him sometimes, and have showed the ability to create on his own.
If someone like Crooked I or Kurupt, has ghostwriters there would automatically be an issue based on how they are or was considered one of the best lyricists. Snoop never was and never claimed to be the best to my knowledge.
Same with real/fake gangstaz...if you don't claim to be gangsta then your are not judged by the critics for not being one. And that is what most people bring up the most on Snoop, his Crip credibility if any one has issues with him.
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You can ask the same about Dr. Dre. At least Snoop writes some of his raps. Dre doesn't even create his own beats anymore, let alone write rhymes.
Dre does it so much it ain't even worth mentioning. With Dre I get the whole work with me and get the props, you write me a 16 and get famous deal with that.
yeah, we should all be beyond talkin' about dre using ghost writers..it doesn't worry me, what would worry me is if we begin to hear dre is writing his own
jokes :laugh:
Ren did say that Dre used to write some of his shit in the NWA days. think it might´ve been in a hiphopformula(or is it called thafomula?)interview he said it.
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Lyrically Dogg was good up to early 1998, before he joined No Limit. He had Bad Azz,Technique, and Kurupt writing for him. Check out "2001" and "Me and My Doggs" of "Tha Doggfather".
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I'm (throw out an answer) guess because he at one time wrote all his rhymes? Unlike Eazy or Dre who never did/have.
Hey,hey facts please ;)
Both Dre and Eazy wrote many of their rhymes.
It's not hard to hear who wrote what if you listen to the rhymes.... and for the cats that don't have ears; you can always check the booklets. ;)
That said,the rhymes Eazy wrote himself is pretty wak :P :laugh:.....
Anyway;
who writes for who? (Dr.Dre) (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=174186.msg1793340#msg1793340)
Ren did say that Dre used to write some of his shit in the NWA days. think it might´ve been in a hiphopformula (or is it called thafomula?) interview he said it.
thaformula ;)
MC Ren Interviews
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=131032.msg1638806#msg1638806
MC Ren - When that nigga left, I knew I had to pick my shit up 'cause Dre wasn't really no rapper.
He wasn't really no hell of a rapper back then and shit. He just would fill in.
But when Cube left he started rapping more, but I always knew I had to pick it up.
I was writing my shit, Eric's shit,
Dre was helping write Eric shit,
'cause when Cube left we still had me, D.O.C. and Dre.
ThaFormula.com - So Dre actually wrote his shit?
MC Ren -
Yeah, he wrote some of his shit.
He write some of his shit and some of his shit he don't write.
You can tell shit he writes.
D.O.C. would write a lot of Dre's shit too.
You could tell when you hear a lot of Dre shit if DOC wrote it.
8) 8) 8) ;)
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HERE'S THE ANSWER.
He's not known for his lyrics and is not a battle rapper, therefore he generally gets a pass. He also doesn't hide the fact that people write for him sometimes, and have showed the ability to create on his own.
If someone like Crooked I or Kurupt, has ghostwriters there would automatically be an issue based on how they are or was considered one of the best lyricists. Snoop never was and never claimed to be the best to my knowledge.
Same with real/fake gangstaz...if you don't claim to be gangsta then your are not judged by the critics for not being one. And that is what most people bring up the most on Snoop, his Crip credibility if any one has issues with him.
But I have seen many interviews with Snoop and he wants people to accept him as a MC. And I have heard him MURDER many freestyles. Hell this man went bar 4 bar with Kurupt in battles I just don't see the need for him to resort so much now to having ghostwriters.
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lol Grief.
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lol Grief.
Flack, shot at, clowned, etc
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lol Grief.
Flack, shot at, clowned, etc
i know. been a while since i heard it though,
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lol Grief.
Flack, shot at, clowned, etc
i know. been a while since i heard it though,
True ;D
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Is it because the perception is he co writes with them or what? Just wondering.
Eazy E never got greif
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bcuz snoop was prolly one of the greatest ghostwriters himself... so he gets a pass
Nuthin but a G Thang
F*** with Dre Day
Let me ride
Lil Ghetto Boy
Damn near all of The Chronic
Then he co Wrote most of Daz raps on Dogg Food
including the raps on Bigg pimpin off Murder was the Case
Those are classics so he gets away with... get the picture
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bcuz snoop was prolly one of the greatest ghostwriters himself... so he gets a pass
Nuthin but a G Thang
F*** with Dre Day
Let me ride
Lil Ghetto Boy
Damn near all of The Chronic
Then he co Wrote most of Daz raps on Dogg Food
including the raps on Bigg pimpin off Murder was the Case
Those are classics so he gets away with... get the picture
DOC wrote mosta that actually
and DOC wrote Serial Killa amongst others
Slick Rick ofcourse madei the OG La Didi back around 85 or so
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Is it because the perception is he co writes with them or what? Just wondering.
Eazy E never got greif
He is considered more of a founding father in helping to create gangsta rap, I will give him that as a businessman but he will never be considered one of the greatest rappers on the coast because of the fact he had ghostwriters.
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You can ask the same about Dr. Dre. At least Snoop writes some of his raps. Dre doesn't even create his own beats anymore, let alone write rhymes.
But Dre is a producer first hand.
Snoop is a rapper who doesnt write. You see how that doesnt make any sense?
Snoop that nigga and i got love for him but lets be honest 9/10 cats would not get a pass from that.
The fact that Dre even gets more grief for not writing his own shit when he's a producer more than Snoop is weird.
The difference is that Dre doesn't write any of his own stuff. Snoop has written most of his own shit.
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damn thats crazy
so who writes dre's muzik
past, present....(if there will be a future)
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He is considered more of a founding father in helping to create gangsta rap, I will give him that as a businessman but he will never be considered one of the greatest rappers on the coast because of the fact he had ghostwriters.
I've always looked at that way too but if you were put Dre's name down as one of the greatest rappers and someone else were to put Eazy down, the Eazy comment would be more accepted, which is weird because Dre definetly had the more consistent flow. They both had other cats write for them though.
In regards to Snoop, it is different because Snoop has always been a rapper first. It's not like Dre, Eazy, Puffy, Jermaine Dupri, etc. were they are producers that like to roc the mic. For someone to write your chorus is one thing but to being paying for bars when you are a rapper kind of seems weird. Kind of defeats the purpose a little bit.
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He is considered more of a founding father in helping to create gangsta rap, I will give him that as a businessman but he will never be considered one of the greatest rappers on the coast because of the fact he had ghostwriters.
I've always looked at that way too but if you were put Dre's name down as one of the greatest rappers and someone else were to put Eazy down, the Eazy comment would be more accepted, which is weird because Dre definetly had the more consistent flow. They both had other cats write for them though.
In regards to Snoop, it is different because Snoop has always been a rapper first. It's not like Dre, Eazy, Puffy, Jermaine Dupri, etc. were they are producers that like to roc the mic. For someone to write your chorus is one thing but to being paying for bars when you are a rapper kind of seems weird. Kind of defeats the purpose a little bit.
Dre and Eazy didn't/don't write any of their own lyrics. Snoop has written most of his lyrics
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He is considered more of a founding father in helping to create gangsta rap, I will give him that as a businessman but he will never be considered one of the greatest rappers on the coast because of the fact he had ghostwriters.
I've always looked at that way too but if you were put Dre's name down as one of the greatest rappers and someone else were to put Eazy down, the Eazy comment would be more accepted, which is weird because Dre definetly had the more consistent flow. They both had other cats write for them though.
In regards to Snoop, it is different because Snoop has always been a rapper first. It's not like Dre, Eazy, Puffy, Jermaine Dupri, etc. were they are producers that like to roc the mic. For someone to write your chorus is one thing but to being paying for bars when you are a rapper kind of seems weird. Kind of defeats the purpose a little bit.
Dre and Eazy didn't/don't write any of their own lyrics. Snoop has written most of his lyrics
D-O-C
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simply put, Snoop's better days are way behind him. So as an emcee, we judge him off Doggystyle, Murder Was The Case, Top Dogg, Last Meal, what has leaked from the era. Snoop wrote his own shit.
dude, Snoop thanked his ghostwriters Tray Deee & Bad Azz in the booklet og NL Top Dogg...
And you're all confusing ghostwriter with writers... If credit is given, the one who wrote the song is NOT a ghostwriter.
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I think the whole concept or Ghosting Vs. Writting is overrated, IMO.
The personality spitting the words to the music is more important.
(Tho it's defo a plus when the artist is a full package)
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bcuz snoop was prolly one of the greatest ghostwriters himself... so he gets a pass
Nuthin but a G Thang
F*** with Dre Day
Let me ride
Lil Ghetto Boy
Damn near all of The Chronic
Then he co Wrote most of Daz raps on Dogg Food
including the raps on Bigg pimpin off Murder was the Case
Those are classics so he gets away with... get the picture
i thought it was Kurupt who wrote most of Daz' raps on Dogg Food. Didn't he also teach Daz how to rap?
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I think the whole concept or Ghosting Vs. Writting is overrated, IMO.
The personality spitting the words to the music is more important.
(Tho it's defo a plus when the artist is a full package)
From a buisness perspective and fan stand point yes. But thats not true a MC and often frowned upon when rappers are getting other rappers to write they shit. "Bouncing onstage like you wrote that hook"
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I dont really give a fuck, but that "2001" track on Doggfather is dope, written by Technique, Bad Azz and Kurupt. That's my shit right there
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Too much reading 4 me. 1 question should be asked. Why does Snoop not get grief for doing garbage songs like drop it like its hot & those 2 gay songs he did in 06, i wanna love you & that's that? The answer might be cause snopp got it like that. He did say in a song,'I'M THE ONLY RAPPER KNOWN BY YOUR GRANDMOTHER'
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Is it because the perception is he co writes with them or what? Just wondering.
Eazy E never got greif
He is considered more of a founding father in helping to create gangsta rap, I will give him that as a businessman but he will never be considered one of the greatest rappers on the coast because of the fact he had ghostwriters.
ok, but it doesn't matter as Eazy-E and Dr.Dre are performers
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Why does Aretha, Beyonce and the whole R&B genre don't get grief for their ghostwriting?
HIp Hop is the only who acts like it's blasphemy if an artist gets help to create a song. I guess it's because it's such an egotistic art where all one does is brag about themselves. But take that away and these artist and ghostwriters do nothing but what has been a norm for the art of music. I think if many of you accept that one fact first we'll have less of these stupid conversation and have accepting perception about it..
Yet I understand that if artists brag so much they should be bragging from their own perspective, not someone elses'.
Snoop, Dre and don't get grief cause they don't hide it and act like they do it themselves. I think thats the main issue. Artist get writes but pretend to write that particular songs themselves. Howveer, the artist are doing whtat A&Rs direct them to do, an industry standard practice.
Give it a rest though.
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bcuz snoop was prolly one of the greatest ghostwriters himself... so he gets a pass
Nuthin but a G Thang
F*** with Dre Day
Let me ride
Lil Ghetto Boy
Damn near all of The Chronic
Then he co Wrote most of Daz raps on Dogg Food
including the raps on Bigg pimpin off Murder was the Case
Those are classics so he gets away with... get the picture
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While DOC wrote many on Chronic and others Snoop wrote a lot for others, a clear sign he uses other write to conform to a "team work" way of crating good music. Again, an industry standard. Them dudes are musical dudes so they understand it took a team effort so help each other write, but clearly has nothing to do with him can't write. the dude created timeless classics HE WROTE. His freestyle proves he's A RTEAL MC. The guy just like to use the old industry way of making hits. He doesn't need ghostwriters, he's one himself so apparently he does it for different reason. Some should hang it up on trying to discredit him.
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I think the whole concept or Ghosting Vs. Writting is overrated, IMO.
The personality spitting the words to the music is more important.
(Tho it's defo a plus when the artist is a full package)
Do listen enjoyes who the heck wrote he song on the music they are listening? Again, a game build on ego cause this. If it weren't for that no one would care who wrote what. When Brtiney working album savvyy fans are praying Linda Perry is writing on the projetc. They know Linda can create incredible song that Brit can performed that they'll love the song to. not hp hop fans. give it a rest folks
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Why does Aretha, Beyonce and the whole R&B genre don't get grief for their ghostwriting?
HIp Hop is the only who acts like it's blasphemy if an artist gets help to create a song. I guess it's because it's such an egotistic art where all one does is brag about themselves. But take that away and these artist and ghostwriters do nothing but what has been a norm for the art of music. I think if many of you accept that one fact first we'll have less of these stupid conversation and have accepting perception about it..
Yet I understand that if artists brag so much they should be bragging from their own perspective, not someone elses'.
Snoop, Dre and don't get grief cause they don't hide it and act like they do it themselves. I think thats the main issue. Artist get writes but pretend to write that particular songs themselves. Howveer, the artist are doing whtat A&Rs direct them to do, an industry standard practice.
Give it a rest though.
props, well put
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Why does Aretha, Beyonce and the whole R&B genre don't get grief for their ghostwriting?
HIp Hop is the only who acts like it's blasphemy if an artist gets help to create a song. I guess it's because it's such an egotistic art where all one does is brag about themselves. But take that away and these artist and ghostwriters do nothing but what has been a norm for the art of music. I think if many of you accept that one fact first we'll have less of these stupid conversation and have accepting perception about it..
Yet I understand that if artists brag so much they should be bragging from their own perspective, not someone elses'.
Snoop, Dre and don't get grief cause they don't hide it and act like they do it themselves. I think thats the main issue. Artist get writes but pretend to write that particular songs themselves. Howveer, the artist are doing whtat A&Rs direct them to do, an industry standard practice.
Give it a rest though.
Hip hop is a little different from other forms of music though. Singers have their voices, rockers have their guitars. Hip hop's main form of expression is the lyrics and the flow. So when the lyrics are prewritten for them, it takes away from their talent. Would you respect a rock singer who couldn't play the guitar?
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Why does Aretha, Beyonce and the whole R&B genre don't get grief for their ghostwriting?
HIp Hop is the only who acts like it's blasphemy if an artist gets help to create a song. I guess it's because it's such an egotistic art where all one does is brag about themselves. But take that away and these artist and ghostwriters do nothing but what has been a norm for the art of music. I think if many of you accept that one fact first we'll have less of these stupid conversation and have accepting perception about it..
Yet I understand that if artists brag so much they should be bragging from their own perspective, not someone elses'.
Snoop, Dre and don't get grief cause they don't hide it and act like they do it themselves. I think thats the main issue. Artist get writes but pretend to write that particular songs themselves. Howveer, the artist are doing whtat A&Rs direct them to do, an industry standard practice.
Give it a rest though.
Hip hop is a little different from other forms of music though. Singers have their voices, rockers have their guitars. Hip hop's main form of expression is the lyrics and the flow. So when the lyrics are prewritten for them, it takes away from their talent. Would you respect a rock singer who couldn't play the guitar?
Again, it's because hip hop is about ego, mostly so you spiting someone else's ego. Not yours. but it's ok outside of that context. I do get your point about rap being based on lyricism, but as AN ART it greew beyong that. It's now an art that takes good song writing skills to succeed. Ego Trippin, more specific "Sexual Seduction", for example was that. Lyricism would not have made that song.
I would respect a rock singer who doesn't play guitar. There are tons of them that make hits (good music) then and now. Singer, is what they are first. Guitar player is different from being a singer.
By that standard of your question, of course i can't respect Lil Wayne (for his rock CD), not cause he doesn't play guitar but because he's neither a guitar player nor a singer, same for Kayne & 808 (Well, i don' respect Wayne for other reason too. lol).
Now if you ask could I respect a Violinist who doesn't play violin then.. you know the answer. Lol
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And you're all confusing ghostwriter with writers... If credit is given, the one who wrote the song is NOT a ghostwriter.
yep...
Related;
http://www.billboard.biz/bbbiz/charts/decadeendcharts/chart_display.jsp?&f=R%26B%2FHip-Hop+Songwriters&g=Decade-end+Writers
(http://www.billboard.biz/bbbiz/images/bbBiz_logo.gif)
DECADE END CHARTS R&B/Hip-Hop Songwriters
Issue Date: 2009
# Writer Titles
1 ROBERT KELLY
2 PHARRELL L. WILLIAMS
3 TIMOTHY V. "TIMBALAND" MOSLEY
4 BRYAN-MICHAEL COX
5 ALICIA KEYS
6 JERMAINE DUPRI
7 SHAWN C. "JAY-Z" CARTER
8 SHAFFER "NE-YO" SMITH
9 KANYE WEST
10 JOHNTA AUSTIN
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Snoop been using ghostwriters his whole career, and in my opinion his best stuff was when Soopafly and DOC were involved , those two knows how to bring the lyrical Snoop the Snoop with the great punch lines, after his Malice N Wonderland failure I hope Snoop considers this for a better album next time : Dr.Dre, Dj Quik, Soopafly & DOC, if he gets those 4 to direct him he ll be able to bring himself back where he belongs
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Snoop been using ghostwriters his whole career, and in my opinion his best stuff was when Soopafly and DOC were involved , those two knows how to bring the lyrical Snoop the Snoop with the great punch lines, after his Malice N Wonderland failure I hope Snoop considers this for a better album next time : Dr.Dre, Dj Quik, Soopafly & DOC, if he gets those 4 to direct him he ll be able to bring himself back where he belongs
; ;)
R Kelly feat The D.O.C; It Ain't Easy Snippet (Sketch for Snoop)
http://www.youtube.com/v/OBOUpEe_jQA&hl=en&fs=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBOUpEe_jQA
Final version;
R. Kelly - Pimpin' Ain't Easy (feat. Snoop Dogg)
http://www.zshare.net/audio/65410778afedcbcc/
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The values, traditions, respect that Emcees once had no longer apply. The ability to write your own lyrics is a lost art. The majority of the population that listen to Hip Hop Music could really care less. With that being said Snoop has diplomatic immunity for being given grief.
"Battle" The Movie Coming Soon
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for real and he uses them more than dre does right?
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singers dont get grief why should rappers...
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i think the reason snoop doesn't get grief is a combination of new fans not caring and the fact the snoop is a big personality. The majority of people who are complaining are old school like me who who expect the artist who is spiitin' to be spittin' from the heart. unfortuneately we are in era where pop rap is the dominant genre, and all that matters now is the latest dance craze.
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didnt really feel like reading all the replies to this one, but im gonna say my thoughts
its because he personally came out and said he was using ghostwriters, no need to hide it, other rappers do
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I only read page 1 & 4 but yeah as has pretty much been said, Snoop used to be a ghost writetr himself and used to write all his raps. Plus i mean, look at how much music dude has put out man! of course you gonna get writters block with so many songs recorded.
Lots of rappers that dont use ghost writters just rap about the same shit all the time and recycle the rhymes a ridiclious amount of times.
And yeah he always admitted he had ghost writters, like in teh credits for his albums he used to give credit to Bad Azz and Goldie loc for ghost writting for him.
But i must admit i cut Snoop alot of slack if alot of other rapers used ghost writters i prolly woulds loose respect for them so it is a good point..
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BECAUSE IMAGE AND NAME ARE WHAT SELLS RECORDS SOME COMPANIES DONT WANT TO BREAK NEW ARTIST SO THEY USE THE SAME ONES TO TRY AND SELL A RECORD WITH
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who snoopy write for?
I only read page 1 & 4 but yeah as has pretty much been said, Snoop used to be a ghost writetr himself and used to write all his raps. Plus i mean, look at how much music dude has put man! of course you gonna get writters block with so many songs recorded.
Lots of rappers that dont use ghost writters just rap about the same shit all the time and recycle the rhymes a ridiclious amount of times.
And yeah he always admitted he had ghost writters, like in teh credits for his albums he used to give credit to Bad Azz and Goldic loc for ghost writting for him.
But i must admit i cut Snoop alot of slack if alot of other rapers used ghost writters i prolly woulds loose respect for them so it is a good point..
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who snoopy write for?
Dr.dre.
To qoute RBX "me an d.o.c an dog sat an made lyrics to replenish your ass like gatorade" (refering to Dr-dre on his dre dis from "RBX files"
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Didnt RBX write for Snoop?
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i know people from snoops camp have wrote for him...but i was askin bout others like royce writin for dre and others
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snoop is a phoney
was GREAT in the 90s
needs to hang it up now and quit pretending he's still able to rap
Whooooa HACK...I thought snop was ya guy? Well atleast i say he mo realer than Eiht.....
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i think no one gave him grief was because he was open about it.
he didn't hide it, didn't try and pass it off as his own ... he was real about it.
if he was trying to be shady amd hide the fact, he would have been attacked from everyone.
to him it was no big deal, he had nothing to prove, he spoke on it and people went 'so what?'
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they prolly werent expectin him to write his own lyrics
he can barely make a album on his own...lol