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Title: 2 songs, 1 sample...
Post by: eazye on December 07, 2008, 09:18:00 AM
http://www.youtube.com/v/IZNkrsz5Ctc

http://www.youtube.com/v/M7h-LhT7I5E

 :rock:
Title: Re: 2 songs, 1 sample...
Post by: Blood$ on December 07, 2008, 09:28:04 AM
that CNN shit goes hard... that album is a classic
Title: Re: 2 songs, 1 sample...
Post by: eazye on December 10, 2008, 06:41:08 AM
...
Title: Re: 2 songs, 1 sample...
Post by: mlk93 on December 10, 2008, 07:02:31 AM
sweet dreams by Nas all eyez on Me by Pac best example!!
Title: Re: 2 songs, 1 sample...
Post by: penenstamp on December 10, 2008, 07:18:54 AM
http://www.youtube.com/v/PvWJQ_u_74k

http://www.youtube.com/v/cs9hp4ubU1k
Title: Re: 2 songs, 1 sample...
Post by: 2euce 7even on December 10, 2008, 09:27:01 AM
"do 4 love" 2pac
"playa hata" luniz

*bobby caldwell "what you wonŽt do for love".
Title: Re: 2 songs, 1 sample...
Post by: eazye on January 10, 2009, 05:38:23 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/UakWO2IAEUc

http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/factvnciXTE

Dope fuckin' sample, flipped great on both songs
Title: Re: 2 songs, 1 sample...
Post by: Raphael on January 10, 2009, 06:25:28 AM
http://uk.youtube.com/watch/v/YLri7kCcVvE

http://uk.youtube.com/watch/v/KdF8wEfP6MQ
Title: Re: 2 songs, 1 sample...
Post by: eazye on January 10, 2009, 11:49:54 AM
^^That's fuckin' dope man, I've never really noticed they use the same sample
Title: Re: 2 songs, 1 sample...
Post by: NotoriousTDA on January 10, 2009, 12:24:48 PM
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=zwEA5Z4j9WE

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=FWOsbGP5Ox4
Title: Re: 2 songs, 1 sample...
Post by: NotoriousTDA on January 10, 2009, 12:30:22 PM
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=7bQYOGTnjeM


http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=xy_9ycfSlpM&feature=related
Title: Re: 2 songs, 1 sample...
Post by: Hoodlum204 on January 10, 2009, 12:37:13 PM
I Ain't Heard That CNN Shit In Ages....Was In Like Grade 11.....Thanx For The Memories!! Now Wheres The mp3??  ??? +1
Title: Re: 2 songs, 1 sample...
Post by: G-Funk on January 10, 2009, 01:19:24 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/Op2sullRRrM&hl
AMG - Sucka For Luv

http://www.youtube.com/v/2X-Rs3qDFFE&hl
Keith Murray - Get Lifted (Remix)


They both utilized the sample of "Close the Door" by Teddy Pendergrass
Title: Re: 2 songs, 1 sample...
Post by: eazye on January 10, 2009, 03:00:17 PM
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=7bQYOGTnjeM


http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=xy_9ycfSlpM&feature=related
dope fuckin' shit!

same as dollaz's post
Title: Re: 2 songs, 1 sample...
Post by: Jaydc555 on January 10, 2009, 04:59:30 PM
Cormega raps a hustle and ugk international players anthem
Title: Re: 2 songs, 1 sample...
Post by: NotoriousTDA on January 11, 2009, 11:26:41 AM
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=olXwU9wacwY

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=49zvV12pg38
Title: Re: 2 songs, 1 sample...
Post by: RingMan on January 11, 2009, 01:42:40 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/rXBGS0DOJ68

http://www.youtube.com/v/hH1ei5mrQWg

and I even hear it in this song
http://www.youtube.com/v/B0tSRsCzb74
Title: Re: 2 songs, 1 sample...
Post by: NotoriousTDA on January 19, 2009, 04:26:07 PM
Same Vocal Sample:

Dinero - Glasses Malone
http://www.zshare.net/download/54379442916289c3/


Money on the Ave - REKS ft. Skyzoo
http://www.zshare.net/audio/543796096bcfd624/

Dont sleep on these tracks, both are fire!!!
Title: Re: 2 songs, 1 sample...
Post by: No Compute on January 20, 2009, 08:46:55 AM
Busta Rhymes - Everybody Rise (prod. Nottz)

http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/6O_H8vVTpXI

Snoop Dogg - Boss' Life (prod. Dr. Dre)

http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/-A7__xem4xE

Dre has actually sampled the Nottz beat which in turn samples this: http://momonox.free.fr/divers/controllers2morrow.mp3



Title: Re: 2 songs, 1 sample...
Post by: NotoriousTDA on January 20, 2009, 09:51:14 AM
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=2PTOinnmqfo


http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=f7vSzgDhF3Y
Title: Re: 2 songs, 1 sample...
Post by: Paul on January 20, 2009, 10:14:52 AM
Great thread
Title: Re: 2 songs, 1 sample...
Post by: eazye on January 20, 2009, 10:17:51 AM
props to prominent and notorious, didn;t know that aesop and del song uses the same sample as crack a bottle.Personally, I don't mind Dre sampling it, always nice to see how he flips samples

Del rips it
Title: Re: 2 songs, 1 sample...
Post by: NotoriousTDA on January 20, 2009, 10:35:04 AM
props to prominent and notorious, didn;t know that aesop and del song uses the same sample as crack a bottle.Personally, I don't mind Dre sampling it, always nice to see how he flips samples

Del rips it

i dont think many people did, cuz when crack a bottle leaked everyone was talkin about the dope production. And i was like, Rza had the same beat years ago!
Title: Re: 2 songs, 1 sample...
Post by: eazye on January 21, 2009, 01:20:20 PM
props to prominent and notorious, didn;t know that aesop and del song uses the same sample as crack a bottle.Personally, I don't mind Dre sampling it, always nice to see how he flips samples

Del rips it

i dont think many people did, cuz when crack a bottle leaked everyone was talkin about the dope production. And i was like, Rza had the same beat years ago!
if they did actually work together on OBFCL II, I would understand it if Dre wanted to see how his touch on a RZA used sample would sound.that's just speculation tho
Title: Re: 2 songs, 1 sample...
Post by: No Compute on January 21, 2009, 03:19:13 PM
Here's the track the Preservation/Crack a Bottle sample comes from:

http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/qLlzDWG40w8
Title: Re: 2 songs, 1 sample...
Post by: NotoriousTDA on January 21, 2009, 04:24:58 PM
^ tight!
Title: Re: 2 songs, 1 sample...
Post by: NotoriousTDA on January 21, 2009, 05:05:31 PM
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=h6qdbeaEy0c

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=egDTyBCznxU
Title: Re: 2 songs, 1 sample...
Post by: No Compute on January 22, 2009, 01:54:29 PM
That's a nice sample, it's pretty hard to go wrong sampling Funkadelic:

How Do Yeaw View You?
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/QU6_qLY8JoI

--------------------------------------

Snoop
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/hIesEaJgIQA

Jay
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/JC7MJ8l73SQ

Isaac Hayes
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/-Fz1ucGn9ZQ
Title: Re: 2 songs, 1 sample...
Post by: LooN3y on January 22, 2009, 01:59:46 PM
ne body have the mp3 to capone and norega - stay tuned?
Title: Re: 2 songs, 1 sample...
Post by: NotoriousTDA on March 30, 2009, 02:59:54 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/_AvSUCgTgUs

http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/HzHbCneS9Yc
Title: Re: 2 songs, 1 sample...
Post by: eazye on March 30, 2009, 03:09:22 PM
damn that saukrates joint is fuckin' dope!!

Title: Re: 2 songs, 1 sample...
Post by: NotoriousTDA on March 30, 2009, 09:40:21 PM
damn that saukrates joint is fuckin' dope!!



had to keep the thread bumpin, cuz its dope  8)

eazy i suggest hittin up albumhunt.com and DLing saukrates - the underground tapes, one of my favs!
Title: Re: 2 songs, 1 sample...
Post by: eazye on March 31, 2009, 03:26:46 AM
props for the bump man, I'll post somke shit myself too

and I'll def be checking that saukrates.everything I've heard from him is dope.damn, even his singing on that new meth and red was dope lol
Title: Re: 2 songs, 1 sample...
Post by: eazye on March 31, 2009, 03:34:18 AM
Pete Rock & C.L. Smooth - Lots Of Lovin' (remix) - C.L. fuckin' destrys this!! and pete's beat is amazing

http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/hFdRMJk9huk

Akinyele - I Luh Her (produced by Large Professor)

http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/P-3nPVIXdoQ
Title: Re: 2 songs, 1 sample...
Post by: NotoriousTDA on March 31, 2009, 05:03:22 PM
Same Vocal Sample:

http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/cUQgm3qRPio

http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/gps6J9SKi6I

Title: Re: 2 songs, 1 sample...
Post by: NotoriousTDA on April 01, 2009, 12:04:18 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/NxGVdpZnGsI&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/dOBWlDJTpqg
Title: Re: 2 songs, 1 sample...
Post by: eazye on April 02, 2009, 01:36:37 AM
^^^^couldn't find the song itself, but here's the beat

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXuwUvxlbg4
Title: Re: 2 songs, 1 sample...
Post by: eazye on April 02, 2009, 01:56:10 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/Ko48e7XtGr0

http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/hmdf8-TsMLU
Title: Re: 2 songs, 1 sample...
Post by: NotoriousTDA on February 26, 2010, 01:26:10 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/Qb2YqCWsqrg


http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/9yGzZ2dAeSk


http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/n3FxR2s7VO8&feature=related
Title: Re: 2 songs, 1 sample...
Post by: Scrappy Doo on February 26, 2010, 02:11:07 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/SIQihN--98Y&hl=en_US&fs=1&

http://www.youtube.com/v/o6TUhx2wX0M&hl=en_US&fs=1&

________________________
http://www.youtube.com/v/ZeZeAcuIkgk&hl=en_US&fs=1&





Title: Re: 2 songs, 1 sample...
Post by: NotoriousTDA on February 26, 2010, 02:57:54 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/-LzdKH1naok

http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/xeWQDfBv2Ow

http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/xvgOqiug944

Title: Re: 2 songs, 1 sample...
Post by: ToOoOoN!!! on February 26, 2010, 03:13:17 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/5W80Ae5hEOA&hl
http://www.youtube.com/v/kZGvnI37mxk&hl


and
http://www.youtube.com/v/ruElBnwaCmQ&hl
http://www.youtube.com/v/u6_WUBKvR_E&hl
Title: Re: 2 songs, 1 sample...
Post by: NotoriousTDA on February 26, 2010, 03:29:09 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/mWbvPhs3Oyo

http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/G6mzS7lIFrc

Couldnt find the video for Will O' the Wisp" by Steve Howe
Title: Re: 2 songs, 1 sample...
Post by: NotoriousTDA on February 26, 2010, 03:54:54 PM
I cant remember if i did this one cuz my links went down in the first page

http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/cTT1R2WJ6nU

http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/3xXOwI1F6aI

http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/RUJMqVkSMh4
Title: Re: 2 songs, 1 sample...
Post by: NotoriousTDA on February 27, 2010, 11:12:25 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/sevZEOUXpw4

http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/nZuyjPbEIIs

http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/jAv_P2Z-5LU

Title: Re: 2 songs, 1 sample...
Post by: NotoriousTDA on February 27, 2010, 01:56:48 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/pBI3lc18k8Q

http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/gvclkQbsEi0

http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/UYIAfiVGluk
Title: Re: 2 songs, 1 sample...
Post by: ikke on February 28, 2010, 09:06:49 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/jAv_P2Z-5LU


Probally the most ov4erused sample in hip hop.

http://www.youtube.com/v/np76uHT7oI8

http://www.youtube.com/v/OMXZA0OuJqA
Title: Re: 2 songs, 1 sample...
Post by: ikke on February 28, 2010, 09:11:04 AM
http://www.youtube.com/v/-zMwTj_yh-k

http://www.youtube.com/v/byNB6CA0SKw
Title: Re: 2 songs, 1 sample...
Post by: NotoriousTDA on February 28, 2010, 05:31:58 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/zbaVhmR5Pro

http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/SQ-hJW_T6QY

Title: Re: 2 songs, 1 sample...
Post by: Shallow on February 28, 2010, 07:17:08 PM
props to prominent and notorious, didn;t know that aesop and del song uses the same sample as crack a bottle.Personally, I don't mind Dre sampling it, always nice to see how he flips samples

Del rips it


Dre didn't flip or sample anything. He never has. He's not a sampler. He uses a studio band to replay the music from the original and the musicians put their spin on it and Dre gives the thumbs up when he likes what he hears.


Anyway, how come nobody listed Labi Siffre "I Got The"?

http://www.youtube.com/v/TbVl6nCmQ9o




Title: Re: 2 songs, 1 sample...
Post by: eazye on March 01, 2010, 12:34:29 AM
^^I'm aware that what Dre does is interpolate, I think in that case it's still no wrong to use the word flip about his interpolation of the sample, even if his interpolation means his coaching of the musicians how to play the instruments
Title: Re: 2 songs, 1 sample...
Post by: Shallow on March 01, 2010, 08:48:25 AM
^^I'm aware that what Dre does is interpolate, I think in that case it's still no wrong to use the word flip about his interpolation of the sample, even if his interpolation means his coaching of the musicians how to play the instruments


Except he rarely does anything with it creatively. It's usually just a simple loop of the song replayed by the studio. What Havoc did with Shook Ones is a flip.
Title: Re: 2 songs, 1 sample...
Post by: NotoriousTDA on March 01, 2010, 10:24:47 AM
KEEP IT MOVING!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/rTQXWxSrCx8

http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/qtkMqOU4s-I

http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/hfwFpRnOeGg
Title: Re: 2 songs, 1 sample...
Post by: eazye on March 01, 2010, 11:40:20 AM
^^I'm aware that what Dre does is interpolate, I think in that case it's still no wrong to use the word flip about his interpolation of the sample, even if his interpolation means his coaching of the musicians how to play the instruments


Except he rarely does anything with it creatively. It's usually just a simple loop of the song replayed by the studio. What Havoc did with Shook Ones is a flip.
Usually is not always.I agree completely that there are examples of him doing very little with a sample, but there are quite a lot of them proving the opposite

And Havoc is amazing in my eyes.It's just he became rather lackluster after Murda Muzik
Title: Re: 2 songs, 1 sample...
Post by: Shallow on March 01, 2010, 03:38:18 PM
^^I'm aware that what Dre does is interpolate, I think in that case it's still no wrong to use the word flip about his interpolation of the sample, even if his interpolation means his coaching of the musicians how to play the instruments


Except he rarely does anything with it creatively. It's usually just a simple loop of the song replayed by the studio. What Havoc did with Shook Ones is a flip.
Usually is not always.I agree completely that there are examples of him doing very little with a sample, but there are quite a lot of them proving the opposite

And Havoc is amazing in my eyes.It's just he became rather lackluster after Murda Muzik

I say he does very little with most of the songs he covers. What are the examples?
Title: Re: 2 songs, 1 sample...
Post by: sprite on March 02, 2010, 03:26:22 PM


sample:  Bob James - Sign of the Times (1981)


http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/ckOULenKxiQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/ShOOOaUKOjA





sample:  Bob James - Look Alike (1979)


http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/N5ZQlppxTcM

http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/hYKGWnSji4U




sample:  The O'Jays - What Am I Waiting For (1975)


http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/802m4HPvXas

http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/ecMPcP4s0-I



sample:  The O'Jays - Who Am I (1972)


http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/q92Jdvl3Q_c

http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/xaNlayKc25s



sample:  The O'Jays - Give The People What They Want (1975)


http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/6-u5mDn1LR4

http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/BqXDb38HIVM

Title: Re: 2 songs, 1 sample...
Post by: eazye on March 03, 2010, 02:32:44 AM
^^I'm aware that what Dre does is interpolate, I think in that case it's still no wrong to use the word flip about his interpolation of the sample, even if his interpolation means his coaching of the musicians how to play the instruments


Except he rarely does anything with it creatively. It's usually just a simple loop of the song replayed by the studio. What Havoc did with Shook Ones is a flip.
Usually is not always.I agree completely that there are examples of him doing very little with a sample, but there are quite a lot of them proving the opposite

And Havoc is amazing in my eyes.It's just he became rather lackluster after Murda Muzik

I say he does very little with most of the songs he covers. What are the examples?
well, the samples he covers is a different story.Let's say Deez Nuuts, amazing beat to me, and a great flip on the sample, but is it a cover?

He didn't really do much with the Leon Haywood loop for Nuthin But a G Thang.I actually prefer the remix on the Death Row Greatest Hits, and I actually prefer this "flip" on the sample http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1MYYyq9wHM

Let's take the sample from A Bitch Iz A Bitch.I think he did a quite good job replaying it, with a nice little build up during the parts when Cube doesn't have a verse.Premier didn't do that much with the sample on Hardcore Composer either but I don't see people knocking him for it.

Let's take Can't C Me, Let Me Ride (Extended Remix) and What's My Name.Basically the same drum beat/loop but everything else that's going on instumentally is what makes the songs stand out from each other
Title: Re: 2 songs, 1 sample...
Post by: Shallow on March 03, 2010, 08:12:46 AM
^^I'm aware that what Dre does is interpolate, I think in that case it's still no wrong to use the word flip about his interpolation of the sample, even if his interpolation means his coaching of the musicians how to play the instruments


Except he rarely does anything with it creatively. It's usually just a simple loop of the song replayed by the studio. What Havoc did with Shook Ones is a flip.
Usually is not always.I agree completely that there are examples of him doing very little with a sample, but there are quite a lot of them proving the opposite

And Havoc is amazing in my eyes.It's just he became rather lackluster after Murda Muzik

I say he does very little with most of the songs he covers. What are the examples?
well, the samples he covers is a different story.Let's say Deez Nuuts, amazing beat to me, and a great flip on the sample, but is it a cover?

He didn't really do much with the Leon Haywood loop for Nuthin But a G Thang.I actually prefer the remix on the Death Row Greatest Hits, and I actually prefer this "flip" on the sample http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1MYYyq9wHM

Let's take the sample from A Bitch Iz A Bitch.I think he did a quite good job replaying it, with a nice little build up during the parts when Cube doesn't have a verse.Premier didn't do that much with the sample on Hardcore Composer either but I don't see people knocking him for it.

Let's take Can't C Me, Let Me Ride (Extended Remix) and What's My Name.Basically the same drum beat/loop but everything else that's going on instumentally is what makes the songs stand out from each other


I just don't think you should use the word flip or sample. There's no sampling going on, and that's why the recreations sound so different. Dre would take a record to the band and say I want you to play this and then the band would play it. Dre doesn't understand musical theory enough to explain how he wants them to play it so he'd probably just have them play it in different keys and tempos until he likes what he hears, and for that he is a great "producer". But too many people are trying to peg him as a composer like he's pulling original music out of his head. He's not.

I used the word cover because when a band plays another band's or artist's song and put their own spin on it's called a cover. So when a studio band plays part of another band's song I'll call that a cover too. Taking different parts from different songs and putting them together to make your own song is nothing new. The Blues was built around that. Jimmy Page made a lot of money doing it. He also took all the credit and got sued a few times because of it. Rightfully so.

Primo is a great DJ and a great sampler, but he's no great composer either. On a lot of beats he does very little with the sample as well.

There's nothing wrong with either approach. Do they take too much credit for work done by others? Yes, but so do movie directors. I just feel like pointing that out when I get the chance. People needed to stop thinking of Dre as a modern Mozart. He's just an updated Jimmy Page, except Jimmy could play music with the best of them.
Title: Re: 2 songs, 1 sample...
Post by: eazye on March 03, 2010, 08:19:11 AM
^^I'm aware that what Dre does is interpolate, I think in that case it's still no wrong to use the word flip about his interpolation of the sample, even if his interpolation means his coaching of the musicians how to play the instruments


Except he rarely does anything with it creatively. It's usually just a simple loop of the song replayed by the studio. What Havoc did with Shook Ones is a flip.
Usually is not always.I agree completely that there are examples of him doing very little with a sample, but there are quite a lot of them proving the opposite

And Havoc is amazing in my eyes.It's just he became rather lackluster after Murda Muzik

I say he does very little with most of the songs he covers. What are the examples?
well, the samples he covers is a different story.Let's say Deez Nuuts, amazing beat to me, and a great flip on the sample, but is it a cover?

He didn't really do much with the Leon Haywood loop for Nuthin But a G Thang.I actually prefer the remix on the Death Row Greatest Hits, and I actually prefer this "flip" on the sample http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1MYYyq9wHM

Let's take the sample from A Bitch Iz A Bitch.I think he did a quite good job replaying it, with a nice little build up during the parts when Cube doesn't have a verse.Premier didn't do that much with the sample on Hardcore Composer either but I don't see people knocking him for it.

Let's take Can't C Me, Let Me Ride (Extended Remix) and What's My Name.Basically the same drum beat/loop but everything else that's going on instumentally is what makes the songs stand out from each other


I just don't think you should use the word flip or sample. There's no sampling going on, and that's why the recreations sound so different. Dre would take a record to the band and say I want you to play this and then the band would play it. Dre doesn't understand musical theory enough to explain how he wants them to play it so he'd probably just have them play it in different keys and tempos until he likes what he hears, and for that he is a great "producer". But too many people are trying to peg him as a composer like he's pulling original music out of his head. He's not.

I used the word cover because when a band plays another band's or artist's song and put their own spin on it's called a cover. So when a studio band plays part of another band's song I'll call that a cover too. Taking different parts from different songs and putting them together to make your own song is nothing new. The Blues was built around that. Jimmy Page made a lot of money doing it. He also took all the credit and got sued a few times because of it. Rightfully so.

Primo is a great DJ and a great sampler, but he's no great composer either. On a lot of beats he does very little with the sample as well.

There's nothing wrong with either approach. Do they take too much credit for work done by others? Yes, but so do movie directors. I just feel like pointing that out when I get the chance. People needed to stop thinking of Dre as a modern Mozart. He's just an updated Jimmy Page, except Jimmy could play music with the best of them.
I can agree with that
Title: Re: 2 songs, 1 sample...
Post by: No Compute on March 04, 2010, 03:04:18 PM
OutKast - Return of the "G"

http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/ZQnxVzOuVFE

J Dilla - Phantom of the Synths

http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/HbXqTjr7sAw

DOOM spitting over the Dilla beat at 1:20:

DOOM - Gazillion Ear

http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/DUZ7-C0wPF4

and finally the original sample:

Giorgio Moroder - Theme From Midnight Express

http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/y_GEthu7Zxg
Title: Re: 2 songs, 1 sample...
Post by: Dre-Day on March 05, 2010, 03:10:00 AM
^^I'm aware that what Dre does is interpolate, I think in that case it's still no wrong to use the word flip about his interpolation of the sample, even if his interpolation means his coaching of the musicians how to play the instruments


Except he rarely does anything with it creatively. It's usually just a simple loop of the song replayed by the studio. What Havoc did with Shook Ones is a flip.
Usually is not always.I agree completely that there are examples of him doing very little with a sample, but there are quite a lot of them proving the opposite

And Havoc is amazing in my eyes.It's just he became rather lackluster after Murda Muzik

I say he does very little with most of the songs he covers. What are the examples?
well, the samples he covers is a different story.Let's say Deez Nuuts, amazing beat to me, and a great flip on the sample, but is it a cover?

He didn't really do much with the Leon Haywood loop for Nuthin But a G Thang.I actually prefer the remix on the Death Row Greatest Hits, and I actually prefer this "flip" on the sample http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1MYYyq9wHM

Let's take the sample from A Bitch Iz A Bitch.I think he did a quite good job replaying it, with a nice little build up during the parts when Cube doesn't have a verse.Premier didn't do that much with the sample on Hardcore Composer either but I don't see people knocking him for it.

Let's take Can't C Me, Let Me Ride (Extended Remix) and What's My Name.Basically the same drum beat/loop but everything else that's going on instumentally is what makes the songs stand out from each other


I just don't think you should use the word flip or sample. There's no sampling going on, and that's why the recreations sound so different. Dre would take a record to the band and say I want you to play this and then the band would play it. Dre doesn't understand musical theory enough to explain how he wants them to play it so he'd probably just have them play it in different keys and tempos until he likes what he hears, and for that he is a great "producer". But too many people are trying to peg him as a composer like he's pulling original music out of his head. He's not.

I used the word cover because when a band plays another band's or artist's song and put their own spin on it's called a cover. So when a studio band plays part of another band's song I'll call that a cover too. Taking different parts from different songs and putting them together to make your own song is nothing new. The Blues was built around that. Jimmy Page made a lot of money doing it. He also took all the credit and got sued a few times because of it. Rightfully so.

Primo is a great DJ and a great sampler, but he's no great composer either. On a lot of beats he does very little with the sample as well.

There's nothing wrong with either approach. Do they take too much credit for work done by others? Yes, but so do movie directors. I just feel like pointing that out when I get the chance. People needed to stop thinking of Dre as a modern Mozart. He's just an updated Jimmy Page, except Jimmy could play music with the best of them.

he IS a composer, you can't deny that.
just like his name is Andre Young.
Title: Re: 2 songs, 1 sample...
Post by: NotoriousTDA on March 07, 2010, 08:10:33 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/_iPMvGnE2DY

http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/R02S4GCawtE

http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/gAXAD7ObCZI
Title: Re: 2 songs, 1 sample...
Post by: Shallow on March 07, 2010, 09:16:27 PM
^^I'm aware that what Dre does is interpolate, I think in that case it's still no wrong to use the word flip about his interpolation of the sample, even if his interpolation means his coaching of the musicians how to play the instruments


Except he rarely does anything with it creatively. It's usually just a simple loop of the song replayed by the studio. What Havoc did with Shook Ones is a flip.
Usually is not always.I agree completely that there are examples of him doing very little with a sample, but there are quite a lot of them proving the opposite

And Havoc is amazing in my eyes.It's just he became rather lackluster after Murda Muzik

I say he does very little with most of the songs he covers. What are the examples?
well, the samples he covers is a different story.Let's say Deez Nuuts, amazing beat to me, and a great flip on the sample, but is it a cover?

He didn't really do much with the Leon Haywood loop for Nuthin But a G Thang.I actually prefer the remix on the Death Row Greatest Hits, and I actually prefer this "flip" on the sample http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1MYYyq9wHM

Let's take the sample from A Bitch Iz A Bitch.I think he did a quite good job replaying it, with a nice little build up during the parts when Cube doesn't have a verse.Premier didn't do that much with the sample on Hardcore Composer either but I don't see people knocking him for it.

Let's take Can't C Me, Let Me Ride (Extended Remix) and What's My Name.Basically the same drum beat/loop but everything else that's going on instumentally is what makes the songs stand out from each other


I just don't think you should use the word flip or sample. There's no sampling going on, and that's why the recreations sound so different. Dre would take a record to the band and say I want you to play this and then the band would play it. Dre doesn't understand musical theory enough to explain how he wants them to play it so he'd probably just have them play it in different keys and tempos until he likes what he hears, and for that he is a great "producer". But too many people are trying to peg him as a composer like he's pulling original music out of his head. He's not.

I used the word cover because when a band plays another band's or artist's song and put their own spin on it's called a cover. So when a studio band plays part of another band's song I'll call that a cover too. Taking different parts from different songs and putting them together to make your own song is nothing new. The Blues was built around that. Jimmy Page made a lot of money doing it. He also took all the credit and got sued a few times because of it. Rightfully so.

Primo is a great DJ and a great sampler, but he's no great composer either. On a lot of beats he does very little with the sample as well.

There's nothing wrong with either approach. Do they take too much credit for work done by others? Yes, but so do movie directors. I just feel like pointing that out when I get the chance. People needed to stop thinking of Dre as a modern Mozart. He's just an updated Jimmy Page, except Jimmy could play music with the best of them.

he IS a composer, you can't deny that.
just like his name is Andre Young.


Fine, great composer. I can hum a tune on the way to the store. I'm a composer. Dre knows a great composition when he hears it but doesn't create one out of thin air. That's what I'm trying to say.
Title: Re: 2 songs, 1 sample...
Post by: Dre-Day on March 08, 2010, 12:12:22 AM
i know what you're trying to say & you're right that Dre often creates music based on other peoples' work (especially in the beginning of his career), but he's still a composer.
Title: Re: 2 songs, 1 sample...
Post by: Shallow on March 08, 2010, 07:23:29 AM
i know what you're trying to say & you're right that Dre often creates music based on other peoples' work (especially in the beginning of his career), but he's still a composer.


Let's compare it to film because I find it the best way to explain what I mean. Dre's best work is like a movie based on a book. Like what Frances Ford Coppola does. He directed the film and even adapted the screenplay but he didn't come up with the story. As opposed to a director like James Cameron who creates the story from scratch, then writes the screenplay, then directs it.

You can't credit Coppola for Sunny getting killed and Michael taking over as head of the family. You can credit Cameron for the paradox that if Kyle Reese was never sent back by John Connor, John Connor never would have been born.

You can't credit Dre with the notes of the piano piece in Still DRE. You can credit him with the idea to highlight them in that key or loop them at the tempo. But not with the musical composition; the writing of the notes.

And that's why I jump into these discussions because too many people think that the piano in DRE, or the guitar in Exxplosive, are creations in the mind of Dre and composed by him. What I'm trying to make everyone I come across understand is they were not born in the mind of Andre Young. He heard it, he liked it, he used it, but he didn't make it from scratch. I don't have a problem with that. I just don't like people thinking he did it.
Title: Re: 2 songs, 1 sample...
Post by: Dre-Day on March 08, 2010, 07:37:39 AM
http://www.answers.com/topic/composer
Title: Re: 2 songs, 1 sample...
Post by: Shallow on March 08, 2010, 02:06:46 PM
http://www.answers.com/topic/composer


One who composes.

Every human being in history as composed something, and composes something everyday. But Dr Dre does not compose the notes his music is famous for.
Title: Re: 2 songs, 1 sample...
Post by: Cross Em Out on March 08, 2010, 02:38:29 PM
http://www.answers.com/topic/composer


One who composes.

Every human being in history as composed something, and composes something everyday. But Dr Dre does not compose the notes his music is famous for.

most hip hop producers arent composers as they cant play any instruments. Timbaland is notorious for directly ripping off music from foriegn countires, and i was suprised at how many Just Blaze beats were just simple loops with drum beats added underneath

The Neptunes and Organized Noise are dope producers - they dont sample, and play/write everything themselves
Title: Re: 2 songs, 1 sample...
Post by: Dre-Day on March 09, 2010, 07:05:42 AM
http://www.answers.com/topic/composer


One who composes.

Every human being in history as composed something, and composes something everyday. But Dr Dre does not compose the notes his music is famous for.

http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=169127.msg1741475#msg1741475
Title: Re: 2 songs, 1 sample...
Post by: Shallow on March 09, 2010, 11:09:41 AM
http://www.answers.com/topic/composer


One who composes.

Every human being in history as composed something, and composes something everyday. But Dr Dre does not compose the notes his music is famous for.

http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=169127.msg1741475#msg1741475


So what does this show? That Dre composed the notes of a lot of the shit he's released since 2001. Like I said, Dr Dre does not compose the notes his music is famous for.
Title: Re: 2 songs, 1 sample...
Post by: NotoriousTDA on March 09, 2010, 12:29:22 PM
hey remember when this thread was about posting 2 songs that used the same sample?
Title: Re: 2 songs, 1 sample...
Post by: Detox Iz Not Active on March 09, 2010, 12:55:19 PM
how do you post youtube vids?
Title: Re: 2 songs, 1 sample...
Post by: NotoriousTDA on March 09, 2010, 01:11:01 PM
how do you post youtube vids?

click the insert flash option then paste the youtube url in between.

replace the question mark and the equals sign in the url (which is found before and after the v) with the / button.

and then you video with be embedded
Title: Re: 2 songs, 1 sample...
Post by: Detox Iz Not Active on March 09, 2010, 06:51:27 PM
how do you post youtube vids?

click the insert flash option then paste the youtube url in between.

replace the question mark and the equals sign in the url (which is found before and after the v) with the / button.

and then you video with be embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/r3DbMqflEw4



good lookin +1
Title: Re: 2 songs, 1 sample...
Post by: LooN3y on March 09, 2010, 07:06:54 PM
Songs:



Nipsey Hussle - Action Is Everything

http://www.youtube.com/v/xXA64S5vPs0&hl=en_US&fs=1&




Dumbfoundead - Jam Session 2.0

http://www.youtube.com/v/1oU0I8APK-o&hl=en_US&fs=1&



Handsome Boy Modeling School - The Truth

http://www.youtube.com/v/DL7tz03v8wc&hl=en_US&fs=1&


Sample


Galt MacDermot - Coffee Cold

http://www.youtube.com/v/iCwGQXJqu5s&hl=en_US&fs=1&
Title: Re: 2 songs, 1 sample...
Post by: Shallow on March 09, 2010, 10:07:47 PM
hey remember when this thread was about posting 2 songs that used the same sample?


vaguely.
Title: Re: 2 songs, 1 sample...
Post by: eazye on March 12, 2010, 09:09:02 AM
http://www.youtube.com/v/8Bb77xaivuU

http://www.youtube.com/v/vYFlOZ9fSvo

Title: Re: 2 songs, 1 sample...
Post by: NotoriousTDA on March 14, 2010, 02:19:53 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/OgNbKvD3TE0

http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/mM4WKMSVMVQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/3JodPHZAANc


dirty sample!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: 2 songs, 1 sample...
Post by: No Compute on May 12, 2010, 04:35:14 PM
This track has been sample a load of times here's two of them:

EPMD - Please Listen To My Demo
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/DElhKsyFzj4

Ghostface Killah - Killa Lipstick
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/R5Tcylr-HOQ

The sample, Faze-O - Ridin' High
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/hNuCYzqiuBk
Title: Re: 2 songs, 1 sample...
Post by: kuruptlon on May 13, 2010, 06:09:12 AM
http://www.youtube.com/v/SIQihN--98Y&hl=en_US&fs=1&

http://www.youtube.com/v/o6TUhx2wX0M&hl=en_US&fs=1&

________________________
http://www.youtube.com/v/ZeZeAcuIkgk&hl=en_US&fs=1&





Had to:
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/5qgrb6Ux_bM

Title: Re: 2 songs, 1 sample...
Post by: kuruptlon on May 13, 2010, 06:33:08 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/zbaVhmR5Pro

http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/SQ-hJW_T6QY



this too
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/ZQQlmy--fsY

Title: Re: 2 songs, 1 sample...
Post by: kuruptlon on May 13, 2010, 06:52:35 AM
Easy one here but didn't see it posted so I thought I might.

http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/1TO48Cnl66w

http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/_OwY5h3FDck


http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/r41Q7mB1Gp4

Title: Re: 2 songs, 1 sample...
Post by: Trip Dee on May 13, 2010, 09:20:56 AM
http://www.youtube.com/v/MHssOsbXLV4&hl=pl_PL&fs=1&color1=0xe1600f&color2=0xfebd01

http://www.youtube.com/v/99YfEQeZtXk&hl=pl_PL&fs=1&color1=0xe1600f&color2=0xfebd01
Title: Re: 2 songs, 1 sample...
Post by: kuruptlon on July 18, 2010, 07:17:05 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/sevZEOUXpw4

http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/nZuyjPbEIIs

http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/jAv_P2Z-5LU



Can anyone tell me what songs these were? Im assuming maybe one was Dilated Peoples - Worst Comes to Worst... what else anyone know?
Title: Re: 2 songs, 1 sample...
Post by: Triple OG Rapsodie on July 18, 2010, 11:11:13 AM
http://www.youtube.com/v/KTzgYQCk-bU

http://www.youtube.com/v/ejcMOUGssbk

Title: Re: 2 songs, 1 sample...
Post by: BOX5 the best poster on this site yell on July 18, 2010, 01:37:30 PM
"do 4 love" 2pac
"playa hata" luniz

*bobby caldwell "what you wonŽt do for love".
pac was in love with this song he used it at least 3 times
do 4 love
heaven ain't hard to find
gotta get mind with mc breed

dopest sample that people use tho was seven minutes of funk
"it's my thang" epmd
"pimp of the year" dru down
"ain't no nigga" jayz feat foxy brown
"only when i'm drunk" the liks
"street rocc" kurtis blow feat bob dylan
yell
Title: Re: 2 songs, 1 sample...
Post by: Triple OG Rapsodie on July 18, 2010, 03:13:10 PM
"do 4 love" 2pac
"playa hata" luniz

*bobby caldwell "what you wonŽt do for love".
pac was in love with this song he used it at least 3 times
do 4 love
heaven ain't hard to find
gotta get mind with mc breed

dopest sample that people use tho was seven minutes of funk
"it's my thang" epmd
"pimp of the year" dru down
"ain't no nigga" jayz feat foxy brown
"only when i'm drunk" the liks
"street rocc" kurtis blow feat bob dylan
yell

I think Dru Down rode that beat best

GIVE IT UP GIVE IT UP GIVE IT TO ME!!! lol
Title: Re: 2 songs, 1 sample...
Post by: westsiderider323 on July 18, 2010, 03:34:34 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/2IB3SZjAsDc
http://www.youtube.com/v/S6c2PI1Zo_M
Title: Re: 2 songs, 1 sample...
Post by: NotoriousTDA on July 19, 2010, 06:29:03 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/WZ-tqRzenPQ&hl


http://www.youtube.com/v/wbWyHJW5vvA&hl



Title: Re: 2 songs, 1 sample...
Post by: BOX5 the best poster on this site yell on July 19, 2010, 06:43:53 PM
"do 4 love" 2pac
"playa hata" luniz

*bobby caldwell "what you wonŽt do for love".
pac was in love with this song he used it at least 3 times
do 4 love
heaven ain't hard to find
gotta get mind with mc breed

dopest sample that people use tho was seven minutes of funk
"it's my thang" epmd
"pimp of the year" dru down
"ain't no nigga" jayz feat foxy brown
"only when i'm drunk" the liks
"street rocc" kurtis blow feat bob dylan
yell

I think Dru Down rode that beat best

GIVE IT UP GIVE IT UP GIVE IT TO ME!!! lol
dru did his damn thang on that,but i swear this is one joint i think everybody rip'd it and made themselves a classic yell
Title: Re: 2 songs, 1 sample...
Post by: eazye on September 17, 2010, 03:29:47 AM
E.Z. Elpee vs. L.E.S. edition

http://www.youtube.com/v/RsSrD9V2AD4

http://www.youtube.com/v/SSMRLZm7JTI

Crazy sample!