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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: .:TimeLock:. on February 19, 2009, 01:32:22 PM
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GOT SOME HATERS AT THE NY POST ::)
(http://images.huffingtonpost.com/2009-02-18-cartoon.jpg)
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090218/ap_en_ot/ny_post_cartoon
NEW YORK – A New York Post cartoon that some have interpreted as comparing President Barack Obama to a violent chimpanzee gunned down by police drew outrage Wednesday from civil rights leaders and elected officials who said it echoed racist stereotypes of blacks as monkeys.
The cartoon in Wednesday's Post by Sean Delonas shows two police officers, one with a smoking gun, standing over the body of a bullet-riddled chimp. The caption reads: "They'll have to find someone else to write the next stimulus bill."
The cartoon refers to a chimpanzee named Travis who was killed Monday by police in Stamford, Conn., after it mauled a friend of its owner.
Some critics called the cartoon racist and said it trivialized a tragedy in which a woman was disfigured and a chimpanzee killed. Others said the cartoon suggests that Obama should be assassinated. Many urged a boycott of the Post and the companies that advertise in it.
"How could the Post let this cartoon pass as satire?" said Barbara Ciara, president of the National Association of Black Journalists. "To compare the nation's first African-American commander in chief to a dead chimpanzee is nothing short of racist drivel."
State Sen. Eric Adams called it a "throwback to the days" when black men were lynched.
The Rev. Al Sharpton called the cartoon "troubling at best given the historic racist attacks of African-Americans as being synonymous with monkeys."
The cartoon set off a furious response against the Post. Its phones rang all day with angry callers. Protesters picketed the tabloid's Manhattan offices, demanding an apology and a boycott and chanting "shut the Post down."
Col Allan, editor-in-chief of the Post, defended the work.
"The cartoon is a clear parody of a current news event, to wit the shooting of a violent chimpanzee in Connecticut," Allan said in a statement. "It broadly mocks Washington's efforts to revive the economy. Again, Al Sharpton reveals himself as nothing more than a publicity opportunist."
The cartoon drew hundreds of comments on the Internet including at the liberal Huffington Post, where columnist Sam Stein wrote: "At its most benign, the cartoon suggests that the stimulus bill was so bad, monkeys may as well have written it. Most provocatively, it compares the president to a rabid chimp."
White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs declined comment.
"I have not seen the cartoon," he told reporters aboard Air Force One as Obama returned to Washington from Arizona, where he announced his plan to deal with the foreclosure crisis. "But I don't think it's altogether newsworthy reading the New York Post."
It is not the first time that Delonas, the longtime cartoonist for the Post's Page Six, has raised eyebrows with a heavy-handed caricature.
An earlier Delonas cartoon made fun of Paul McCartney's ex-wife Heather Mills for having only one leg, and another compared gay people seeking marriage licenses to sheep lovers. In a cartoon last month, an enormous Jessica Simpson dumps boyfriend Tony Romo for Ronald McDonald.
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WOW...
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When I read the story yesterday without seeing the cartoon, I was thinking....maybe its just people being really sensitive. But after seeing the cartoon, how the hell can they explain it for being anything but racist? The editor in chief fucked up. They should have agreed with the people complaining, fired the cartoonist and printed an apology. Now this will get way bigger, and they will have to do the same thing anyway but now the silly editor in chief is going to get let go too. Morons.
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columnist Sam Stein wrote: "At its most benign, the cartoon suggests that the stimulus bill was so bad, monkeys may as well have written it. Most provocatively, it compares the president to a rabid chimp."
Pretty much. It looks fucked up at face value, but I don't think anyone at the Post would seriously want to publish a cartoon referencing a high profile black person as a monkey.
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columnist Sam Stein wrote: "At its most benign, the cartoon suggests that the stimulus bill was so bad, monkeys may as well have written it. Most provocatively, it compares the president to a rabid chimp."
Pretty much. It looks fucked up at face value, but I don't think anyone at the Post would seriously want to publish a cartoon referencing a high profile black person as a monkey.
but they did...
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LOL @ conservatives trying to say the monkey represents congress.
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LOL @ conservatives trying to say the monkey represents congress.
It might as well be...I'm mean shit...it's true that these fuckers don't read the bills....still...I don't know..enough said.
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The New York Post has always been a rather moronic paper. i don't think they wanted to be racist and did it on purpose, i just think they have the political sensitivity of the average chimp. they'll have to find someone else to edit-in-chief the next NY Post.
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LOL @ conservatives trying to say the monkey represents congress.
It might as well be...I'm mean shit...it's true that these fuckers don't read the bills....still...I don't know..enough said.
True indeed, there is no scrutiny, there is no no transparency, the bills are so long that it it's impossible to analyse the sub sections given the very limited time given to pass them. That is one of the reasons why such heinous bills are pushed through, that said, when the dust has settled, if the politicians had ANYTHING about them, they would be pushing en masse to repeal the given legislation.
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NEW YORK – After two days of protests, the New York Post apologized Thursday for a cartoon that some have interpreted as comparing President Barack Obama to a violent chimpanzee gunned down by police. But the newspaper also said its longtime antagonists exploited the image for revenge.
The qualified apology didn't mollify at least some of the cartoon's critics, who said they might continue protesting Friday.
The newspaper posted an editorial on its Web site Thursday evening saying the cartoon was meant to mock the federal economic stimulus bill, but "to those who were offended by the image, we apologize."
The piece was posted hours after 200 picketers chanting "Boycott the Post! Shut it down!" marched in front of the paper's office, saying the cartoon echoed racist stereotypes of blacks as monkeys.
The editorial said that "most certainly was not its intent," adding that some media and public figures who have long-standing differences with the paper saw the cartoon "as an opportunity for payback."
Calling them "opportunists," the editorial said: "To them, no apology is due."
The Rev. Al Sharpton, who helped lead the outcry over the cartoon, criticized what he called the paper's "conditional statement" of regret.
"Though we think it is the right thing for them to apologize to those they offended, they seem to want to blame the offense on those (who) raised the issue, rather than take responsibility for what they did," he said in a statement.
The tabloid, owned by Rupert Murdoch's News Corp., is known for its feisty attitude, provocative headlines and conservative outlook — a mix that has garnered hundreds of thousands of readers, but also criticism over the years.
The newspaper had stood by the cartoon, which its editor called "a clear parody" about the death of Travis, the chimp that Connecticut police killed Monday after it mauled a friend of its owner. Editor-in-chief Col Allan had said the intent was to ridicule Washington's efforts to revive the economy.
The drawing by longtime Post cartoonist Sean Delonas, published Wednesday, shows a dead chimp and two police officers, one with a smoking gun. The caption reads, "They'll have to find someone else to write the next stimulus bill."
The Post was picketed and deluged with angry calls, with some of Thursday's marchers carrying signs that said "Jail Billionaire N.Y. Post Owner Rupert Murdoch."
"We make them and we break them with our money, and we should shut it down," said protester Angela Brown, who carried a glossy photo of Obama.
Some protesters said the cartoon not only underscored racist tropes but even suggested that Obama should be shot.
"Since when can you call for the killing of the president of the United States?" demanded City Councilman Charles Barron.
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LOL @ conservatives trying to say the monkey represents congress.
It might as well be...I'm mean shit...it's true that these fuckers don't read the bills....still...I don't know..enough said.
True indeed, there is no scrutiny, there is no no transparency, the bills are so long that it it's impossible to analyse the sub sections given the very limited time given to pass them. That is one of the reasons why such heinous bills are pushed through, that said, when the dust has settled, if the politicians had ANYTHING about them, they would be pushing en masse to repeal the given legislation.
Here, have you read the bill, it's online you know, look it over. I mean, god, with this kind of non-transparency, I mean I have no idea what's in there. Maybe those Obama f***ers thought that no one would read it... damn non-transparent f***s.
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bills&docid=f:h1enr.pdf
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LOL @ conservatives trying to say the monkey represents congress.
It might as well be...I'm mean shit...it's true that these fuckers don't read the bills....still...I don't know..enough said.
True indeed, there is no scrutiny, there is no no transparency, the bills are so long that it it's impossible to analyse the sub sections given the very limited time given to pass them. That is one of the reasons why such heinous bills are pushed through, that said, when the dust has settled, if the politicians had ANYTHING about them, they would be pushing en masse to repeal the given legislation.
which is exactly the type of behavior they found in congolese chimps. checkmate barack.
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LOL @ conservatives trying to say the monkey represents congress.
It might as well be...I'm mean shit...it's true that these fuckers don't read the bills....still...I don't know..enough said.
True indeed, there is no scrutiny, there is no no transparency, the bills are so long that it it's impossible to analyse the sub sections given the very limited time given to pass them. That is one of the reasons why such heinous bills are pushed through, that said, when the dust has settled, if the politicians had ANYTHING about them, they would be pushing en masse to repeal the given legislation.
Here, have you read the bill, it's online you know, look it over. I mean, god, with this kind of non-transparency, I mean I have no idea what's in there. Maybe those Obama f***ers thought that no one would read it... damn non-transparent f***s.
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bills&docid=f:h1enr.pdf
Oh dear, I wasn't referring to the newest stimulus package, I know it's contents as bad as they are are displayed, it has probably disappeared down your memory hole but I am referring to the bank bailouts, only nobody knows exactly where the money has gone (no transparency).
However specifically this bill, there is some 750 pages in the stimulus package bill, congress were given 2 days to pass it! it's the same with all of these bills, which in itself might be something of a paper tiger because as I have already stated, once the bills are gone through, then it's apparent how disgusting they are and yet by then the politicians shrug their shoulders and pundits shrug their shoulders in unison to and say well that's politics. As for the "checkmate obama comment" this just underlines the level of thinking you are applying to politics, IT'S NOT ABOUT INDIVIDUALS, it's about all of the nasty, dangerous policies being pushed.
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even if this fucker the drew the comic was not trying to be racist which he was.... the editors should have pulled it before it was printed and published just shows u they most likely don't have any one black or of color working on their editing staff that would have been able to see the racism in that and demand it be removed!
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even if this fucker the drew the comic was not trying to be racist which he was.... the editors should have pulled it before it was printed and published just shows u they most likely don't have any one black or of color working on their editing staff that would have been able to see the racism in that and demand it be removed!
99.9% of politicians are monkeys of one sort or another....all slaving hard for their owners
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Unbelievable. That is def a reference / threat to Obama. Over the last couple weeks, I have done TONS of research and have actually concluded that Obama may not be controlled by the Illuminati or NWO as I had previously thought. This type of threat is extremely bold.
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Unbelievable. That is def a reference / threat to Obama. Over the last couple weeks, I have done TONS of research and have actually concluded that Obama may not be controlled by the Illuminati or NWO as I had previously thought. This type of threat is extremely bold.
I just look at the policies and the administration list, this is what points to him being controlled. The fact that top chief scum bags like Kissinger speak so admiringly of him should beg the question why. That being said, what it is which leads you think to think he is not controlled by the globalists?
Also, a death threat? or a cartoon which cleverly creates the impression that it's Obama vs the globalists? these people are extremely intelligent and this is likely yet another psy op, a nice distraction to create the impression of difference, if he doesn't ban extraordinary rendition, doesn't repeal the patriot act, the military commissions act at the very least, then it's obvious which side he bats for.
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Unbelievable. That is def a reference / threat to Obama. Over the last couple weeks, I have done TONS of research and have actually concluded that Obama may not be controlled by the Illuminati or NWO as I had previously thought. This type of threat is extremely bold.
I just look at the policies and the administration list, this is what points to him being controlled. The fact that top chief scum bags like Kissinger speak so admiringly of him should beg the question why. That being said, what it is which leads you think to think he is not controlled by the globalists?
Also, a death threat? or a cartoon which cleverly creates the impression that it's Obama vs the globalists? these people are extremely intelligent and this is likely yet another psy op, a nice distraction to create the impression of difference, if he doesn't ban extraordinary rendition, doesn't repeal the patriot act, the military commissions act at the very least, then it's obvious which side he bats for.
You know the plane crash in Buffalo NY that killed 50 or so people? There happened to be a couple of very important people on that flight...
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-plane-victims14-2009feb14,0,2863046.story
Reporting from Silver Spring, Md. — If tragedy brings people together, the still-unexplained crash of a Continental Airlines commuter jet Thursday night forever links Beverly Eckert and Alison Des Forges, two extraordinary women who led separate crusades, against seemingly impossible odds.
Eckert was a Sept. 11 widow who turned her grief into powerful advocacy. She helped force a reluctant Bush White House to create the 9/11 commission to investigate the attacks, and then helped push Congress to pass sweeping reforms of America’s secret intelligence agencies.
"She really redefined for America how to be an effective activist and a committed citizen," said Tim Roemer, a member of the 9/11 commission and liaison to the victims’ families. "That’s an extraordinary achievement."
Des Forges led a tireless, often dangerous campaign to bring to justice the perpetrators of the 1994 Rwandan genocide and other massacres. She appeared as an expert witness in scores of war crimes trials and other judicial proceedings around the world.
"There really was no one like her," said Kenneth Roth, executive director of the Human Rights Watch. "Here is this diminutive woman, barely 5 feet tall, 66 years old, who still had the energy of a 25-year-old to travel around the world to help save the victims of terrible slaughter." …
Last week, Eckert visited the White House when President Obama met with relatives of those killed in the 9/11 attacks, and the bombing of the USS Cole, to explain the new administration’s policies on capturing and prosecuting suspected terrorists, and preventing future attacks.
[Future attacks from who, exactly? What if the 9/11 commission was flawed, and omitted key information that was shared with Obama directly in this meeting? A meeting that was probably wiretapped, and may have changed Obama’s mind about a lot of things? What would "preventing future attacks" mean, then, in this context?]
Speaking at the White House Friday, Obama praised Eckert as "an inspiration to me and to so many others." …
Like Eckert, Des Forges often defied conventional wisdom as well as government leaders, and provoked ire as well as praise.
Rwanda banned her from returning last year after she led a public campaign to hold senior government officials accountable for killings that followed the genocide. That put her at odds with U.S. policy as well as Rwanda’s ruling elite.
"She often was cited as if she was the opposition party in Rwanda," said Philip Gourevitch, a New Yorker writer and author of a book on Rwanda. He called her "very skillful at using the press and international courts as essentially a bully pulpit for her agenda."
In all, Des Forges appeared as expert witness in 11 trials for genocide at the International Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda, as well as at trials in Belgium, Switzerland, the Netherlands and Canada.
This is just one of several examples that have already taken place in his short Presidency that lend to the fact that he may be standing up to the powers that be. To me, this picture is very symbolic and most def a threat to Obama to fall in line "or else".
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Unbelievable. That is def a reference / threat to Obama. Over the last couple weeks, I have done TONS of research and have actually concluded that Obama may not be controlled by the Illuminati or NWO as I had previously thought. This type of threat is extremely bold.
I just look at the policies and the administration list, this is what points to him being controlled. The fact that top chief scum bags like Kissinger speak so admiringly of him should beg the question why. That being said, what it is which leads you think to think he is not controlled by the globalists?
Also, a death threat? or a cartoon which cleverly creates the impression that it's Obama vs the globalists? these people are extremely intelligent and this is likely yet another psy op, a nice distraction to create the impression of difference, if he doesn't ban extraordinary rendition, doesn't repeal the patriot act, the military commissions act at the very least, then it's obvious which side he bats for.
First of all Jrome I have no doubt he has been threatened but,,,i don't think they would depict a threat in a cartoon like that, that just seems to have been done for shock value and stir up a hornets nest and secondly, there have been a speight of publicized plane crashes recently and so this could just be tragic fortune on behalf of those individuals.
You know the plane crash in Buffalo NY that killed 50 or so people? There happened to be a couple of very important people on that flight...
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-plane-victims14-2009feb14,0,2863046.story
Reporting from Silver Spring, Md. — If tragedy brings people together, the still-unexplained crash of a Continental Airlines commuter jet Thursday night forever links Beverly Eckert and Alison Des Forges, two extraordinary women who led separate crusades, against seemingly impossible odds.
Eckert was a Sept. 11 widow who turned her grief into powerful advocacy. She helped force a reluctant Bush White House to create the 9/11 commission to investigate the attacks, and then helped push Congress to pass sweeping reforms of America’s secret intelligence agencies.
"She really redefined for America how to be an effective activist and a committed citizen," said Tim Roemer, a member of the 9/11 commission and liaison to the victims’ families. "That’s an extraordinary achievement."
Des Forges led a tireless, often dangerous campaign to bring to justice the perpetrators of the 1994 Rwandan genocide and other massacres. She appeared as an expert witness in scores of war crimes trials and other judicial proceedings around the world.
"There really was no one like her," said Kenneth Roth, executive director of the Human Rights Watch. "Here is this diminutive woman, barely 5 feet tall, 66 years old, who still had the energy of a 25-year-old to travel around the world to help save the victims of terrible slaughter." …
Last week, Eckert visited the White House when President Obama met with relatives of those killed in the 9/11 attacks, and the bombing of the USS Cole, to explain the new administration’s policies on capturing and prosecuting suspected terrorists, and preventing future attacks.
[Future attacks from who, exactly? What if the 9/11 commission was flawed, and omitted key information that was shared with Obama directly in this meeting? A meeting that was probably wiretapped, and may have changed Obama’s mind about a lot of things? What would "preventing future attacks" mean, then, in this context?]
Speaking at the White House Friday, Obama praised Eckert as "an inspiration to me and to so many others." …
Like Eckert, Des Forges often defied conventional wisdom as well as government leaders, and provoked ire as well as praise.
Rwanda banned her from returning last year after she led a public campaign to hold senior government officials accountable for killings that followed the genocide. That put her at odds with U.S. policy as well as Rwanda’s ruling elite.
"She often was cited as if she was the opposition party in Rwanda," said Philip Gourevitch, a New Yorker writer and author of a book on Rwanda. He called her "very skillful at using the press and international courts as essentially a bully pulpit for her agenda."
In all, Des Forges appeared as expert witness in 11 trials for genocide at the International Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda, as well as at trials in Belgium, Switzerland, the Netherlands and Canada.
This is just one of several examples that have already taken place in his short Presidency that lend to the fact that he may be standing up to the powers that be. To me, this picture is very symbolic and most def a threat to Obama to fall in line "or else".
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It took me a minute to find this, you replied inside my quote lol...
First of all Jrome I have no doubt he has been threatened but,,,i don't think they would depict a threat in a cartoon like that, that just seems to have been done for shock value and stir up a hornets nest and secondly, there have been a speight of publicized plane crashes recently and so this could just be tragic fortune on behalf of those individuals.
This was the first fatal commercial plane crash in the 2.5 years in the US. You can't turn a blind eye to the connection of these 2 women politically. Obama was sympathetic to the 9/11 woman (just met w/ her last week!) and she was pushing to have 9/11 re-investigated. I'm sure her meeting w/ Obama was wiretapped and they probably didn't like what they were hearing. And it JUST SO HAPPENS that another very significant political activist was on the same flight? The Times article directly states that she went against official US policy and was banned from Rwanda, and was considered part of the opposition party there.
I believe Eckert was the main target, but they esentially killed 2 birds w/ one stone. And again, I believe that was a direct threat to Obama telling him (for lack of a better term) "Don't go there" in regards to 9/11 investigations...
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Members of Congress didn't read the bill? They had to, they voted on every single item in the bill! So they're all well aware of what is in the bill. They just didn't read the final package because 1. they know what is in it already and 2. they want it to pass it ASAP.
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It took me a minute to find this, you replied inside my quote lol...
First of all Jrome I have no doubt he has been threatened but,,,i don't think they would depict a threat in a cartoon like that, that just seems to have been done for shock value and stir up a hornets nest and secondly, there have been a speight of publicized plane crashes recently and so this could just be tragic fortune on behalf of those individuals.
This was the first fatal commercial plane crash in the 2.5 years in the US. You can't turn a blind eye to the connection of these 2 women politically. Obama was sympathetic to the 9/11 woman (just met w/ her last week!) and she was pushing to have 9/11 re-investigated. I'm sure her meeting w/ Obama was wiretapped and they probably didn't like what they were hearing. And it JUST SO HAPPENS that another very significant political activist was on the same flight? The Times article directly states that she went against official US policy and was banned from Rwanda, and was considered part of the opposition party there.
Lol sorry, well there was the plane which crashed into the Hudson river, the individuals concerned were extremely fortunate to get away with that. However concerning the first person there, he has never made any signals that he would investigate 911 and for that matter, the fact his cabinet is loaded with hawks would signify that it's not in their interests for it become properly investigated. Concerning the other person you mention, it is something I will have to re-read but the finger of blame was aimed at the french (rwanda) and not the US. I can not see therefore why that person in particular would be targeted .
I believe Eckert was the main target, but they esentially killed 2 birds w/ one stone. And again, I believe that was a direct threat to Obama telling him (for lack of a better term) "Don't go there" in regards to 9/11 investigations...
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Members of Congress didn't read the bill? They had to, they voted on every single item in the bill! So they're all well aware of what is in the bill. They just didn't read the final package because 1. they know what is in it already and 2. they want it to pass it ASAP.
Not true, I saw the clip from congress showing a republican complaining about not having enough time to properly analyse the bill before throwing the bill being thrown on the table.
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Members of Congress didn't read the bill? They had to, they voted on every single item in the bill! So they're all well aware of what is in the bill. They just didn't read the final package because 1. they know what is in it already and 2. they want it to pass it ASAP.
Not true, I saw the clip from congress showing a republican complaining about not having enough time to properly analyse the bill before throwing the bill being thrown on the table.
It's true what I said. That Republican just wants to throw a fit because he just wants to rally support against the bill. Anybody that knows how Congress works knows that every item in the stimulus package was analyzed and voted on.
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Members of Congress didn't read the bill? They had to, they voted on every single item in the bill! So they're all well aware of what is in the bill. They just didn't read the final package because 1. they know what is in it already and 2. they want it to pass it ASAP.
Not true, I saw the clip from congress showing a republican complaining about not having enough time to properly analyse the bill before throwing the bill being thrown on the table.
It's true what I said. That Republican just wants to throw a fit because he just wants to rally support against the bill. Anybody that knows how Congress works knows that every item in the stimulus package was analyzed and voted on.
Actually I was wrong, the full bill is almost 1000 pages long there is no way that that can be read through properly and analysed closely within a few days. Ahh even Kucinich supported this bill ::)
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Members of Congress didn't read the bill? They had to, they voted on every single item in the bill! So they're all well aware of what is in the bill. They just didn't read the final package because 1. they know what is in it already and 2. they want it to pass it ASAP.
Not true, I saw the clip from congress showing a republican complaining about not having enough time to properly analyse the bill before throwing the bill being thrown on the table.
It's true what I said. That Republican just wants to throw a fit because he just wants to rally support against the bill. Anybody that knows how Congress works knows that every item in the stimulus package was analyzed and voted on.
Actually I was wrong, the full bill is almost 1000 pages long there is no way that that can be read through properly and analysed closely within a few days. Ahh even Kucinich supported this bill ::)
lol ok bro, so somehow Congress didn't vote on every single item in the stimulus plan. People didn't read the final version because everything in the final version was already looked at. No douchebag is going to add something on the bill that wasn't talked about before hand.
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The New York Post has always been a rather moronic paper. i don't think they wanted to be racist and did it on purpose, i just think they have the political sensitivity of the average chimp. they'll have to find someone else to edit-in-chief the next NY Post.
lol u cant be serious! you dont think they wanted to be racist? I dont see how it could be interpreted any other way.
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Members of Congress didn't read the bill? They had to, they voted on every single item in the bill! So they're all well aware of what is in the bill. They just didn't read the final package because 1. they know what is in it already and 2. they want it to pass it ASAP.
Not true, I saw the clip from congress showing a republican complaining about not having enough time to properly analyse the bill before throwing the bill being thrown on the table.
1000 pages of text is a huge amount of information to decipher in a week let alone...how many hours/days?,
Also they do not vote on every sub section within each issue, come on now, it goes back to what I said, it was no doubt simply skimmed over and if it wasn't the provisions for health care alone are eye opening to say the least.
It's true what I said. That Republican just wants to throw a fit because he just wants to rally support against the bill. Anybody that knows how Congress works knows that every item in the stimulus package was analyzed and voted on.
Actually I was wrong, the full bill is almost 1000 pages long there is no way that that can be read through properly and analysed closely within a few days. Ahh even Kucinich supported this bill ::)
lol ok bro, so somehow Congress didn't vote on every single item in the stimulus plan. People didn't read the final version because everything in the final version was already looked at. No douchebag is going to add something on the bill that wasn't talked about before hand.
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Members of Congress didn't read the bill? They had to, they voted on every single item in the bill! So they're all well aware of what is in the bill. They just didn't read the final package because 1. they know what is in it already and 2. they want it to pass it ASAP.
Not true, I saw the clip from congress showing a republican complaining about not having enough time to properly analyse the bill before throwing the bill being thrown on the table.
1000 pages of text is a huge amount of information to decipher in a week let alone...how many hours/days?,
Also they do not vote on every sub section within each issue, come on now, it goes back to what I said, it was no doubt simply skimmed over and if it wasn't the provisions for health care alone are eye opening to say the least.
It's true what I said. That Republican just wants to throw a fit because he just wants to rally support against the bill. Anybody that knows how Congress works knows that every item in the stimulus package was analyzed and voted on.
Actually I was wrong, the full bill is almost 1000 pages long there is no way that that can be read through properly and analysed closely within a few days. Ahh even Kucinich supported this bill ::)
lol ok bro, so somehow Congress didn't vote on every single item in the stimulus plan. People didn't read the final version because everything in the final version was already looked at. No douchebag is going to add something on the bill that wasn't talked about before hand.
you also forget that congress members have staffers to read for them, how many do you think actually read that shit. Hillary Clinton couldn't even be bothered to read a bill she voted for call, A joint resolution to authorize the use of United States Armed Forces against Iraq. She claimed her vote is not "a vote for any new doctrine of preemption" but what the fuck are we going to use arms against Iraq for??
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Members of Congress didn't read the bill? They had to, they voted on every single item in the bill! So they're all well aware of what is in the bill. They just didn't read the final package because 1. they know what is in it already and 2. they want it to pass it ASAP.
Not true, I saw the clip from congress showing a republican complaining about not having enough time to properly analyse the bill before throwing the bill being thrown on the table.
1000 pages of text is a huge amount of information to decipher in a week let alone...how many hours/days?,
Also they do not vote on every sub section within each issue, come on now, it goes back to what I said, it was no doubt simply skimmed over and if it wasn't the provisions for health care alone are eye opening to say the least.
It's true what I said. That Republican just wants to throw a fit because he just wants to rally support against the bill. Anybody that knows how Congress works knows that every item in the stimulus package was analyzed and voted on.
Actually I was wrong, the full bill is almost 1000 pages long there is no way that that can be read through properly and analysed closely within a few days. Ahh even Kucinich supported this bill ::)
lol ok bro, so somehow Congress didn't vote on every single item in the stimulus plan. People didn't read the final version because everything in the final version was already looked at. No douchebag is going to add something on the bill that wasn't talked about before hand.
you also forget that congress members have staffers to read for them, how many do you think actually read that shit. Hillary Clinton couldn't even be bothered to read a bill she voted for call, A joint resolution to authorize the use of United States Armed Forces against Iraq. She claimed her vote is not "a vote for any new doctrine of preemption" but what the fuck are we going to use arms against Iraq for??
Yup very true, I would assume that congess members for the most part get a summary of what the bills contain and then it's simply a matter of them okaying what they hear. That in itself is disturbing because it's an open admission that they have become little more than the final okayers, applies to the vast majority of them anyway.
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Members of Congress didn't read the bill? They had to, they voted on every single item in the bill! So they're all well aware of what is in the bill. They just didn't read the final package because 1. they know what is in it already and 2. they want it to pass it ASAP.
Not true, I saw the clip from congress showing a republican complaining about not having enough time to properly analyse the bill before throwing the bill being thrown on the table.
1000 pages of text is a huge amount of information to decipher in a week let alone...how many hours/days?,
Also they do not vote on every sub section within each issue, come on now, it goes back to what I said, it was no doubt simply skimmed over and if it wasn't the provisions for health care alone are eye opening to say the least.
It's true what I said. That Republican just wants to throw a fit because he just wants to rally support against the bill. Anybody that knows how Congress works knows that every item in the stimulus package was analyzed and voted on.
Actually I was wrong, the full bill is almost 1000 pages long there is no way that that can be read through properly and analysed closely within a few days. Ahh even Kucinich supported this bill ::)
lol ok bro, so somehow Congress didn't vote on every single item in the stimulus plan. People didn't read the final version because everything in the final version was already looked at. No douchebag is going to add something on the bill that wasn't talked about before hand.
you also forget that congress members have staffers to read for them, how many do you think actually read that shit. Hillary Clinton couldn't even be bothered to read a bill she voted for call, A joint resolution to authorize the use of United States Armed Forces against Iraq. She claimed her vote is not "a vote for any new doctrine of preemption" but what the fuck are we going to use arms against Iraq for??
Yup very true, I would assume that congess members for the most part get a summary of what the bills contain and then it's simply a matter of them okaying what they hear. That in itself is disturbing because it's an open admission that they have become little more than the final okayers, applies to the vast majority of them anyway.
It is, and I think important bills like War and Stimulus should be read by they members of congress fully and not by their staffers. But at the same time, there are many bills that you could just get your staffers to read it and it's all good.
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The New York Post has always been a rather moronic paper. i don't think they wanted to be racist and did it on purpose, i just think they have the political sensitivity of the average chimp. they'll have to find someone else to edit-in-chief the next NY Post.
lol u cant be serious! you dont think they wanted to be racist? I dont see how it could be interpreted any other way.
if they had recognized the full potential of this cartoon, they wouldn't have published it. an established newspaper like the NY Post doesn't need to get itself into this kind of PR trouble. it's more probable that the cartoonist wanted to be racist and those dumbfucks at the NY Post kinda failed to notice how this cartoon would be interpreted and published it.
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The New York Post has always been a rather moronic paper. i don't think they wanted to be racist and did it on purpose, i just think they have the political sensitivity of the average chimp. they'll have to find someone else to edit-in-chief the next NY Post.
lol u cant be serious! you dont think they wanted to be racist? I dont see how it could be interpreted any other way.
if they had recognized the full potential of this cartoon, they wouldn't have published it. an established newspaper like the NY Post doesn't need to get itself into this kind of PR trouble. it's more probable that the cartoonist wanted to be racist and those dumbfucks at the NY Post kinda failed to notice how this cartoon would be interpreted and published it.
you maybe right there, I was saying they probably don't have any people of color as editors, cuz if they did they would have brought it up right away I would think.
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The New York Post has always been a rather moronic paper. i don't think they wanted to be racist and did it on purpose, i just think they have the political sensitivity of the average chimp. they'll have to find someone else to edit-in-chief the next NY Post.
lol u cant be serious! you dont think they wanted to be racist? I dont see how it could be interpreted any other way.
if they had recognized the full potential of this cartoon, they wouldn't have published it. an established newspaper like the NY Post doesn't need to get itself into this kind of PR trouble. it's more probable that the cartoonist wanted to be racist and those dumbfucks at the NY Post kinda failed to notice how this cartoon would be interpreted and published it.
you maybe right there, I was saying they probably don't have any people of color as editors, cuz if they did they would have brought it up right away I would think.
I'm not black or a liberal white apologist and I could have told them that cartoon will be seen as insensitive and racist. My guess is it was released with the sole intention of getting publicity. It wasn't so racist that it would really stir things up but it was racist enough to get the people talking about the Post again. I don't know if it'll work but that's what I think the reasoning behind it was. And reading about the cartoon comparing bestiality to same sex marriage convinced me.