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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: Lunatic on February 22, 2009, 08:45:15 AM
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This was such a damn great album. I think many people disliked it because they made up their minds it was crap after hearing the terrible "Kingdom Come" album.
This album is so fantastic, especially to see a popular NY artist release an album without any mainstream sounding forced tracks. The production on this album is so dope and old school NY sounding, and Jigga fits all the beats perfectly. MAJOR PROPS need to go to Diddy, LV and Sean C for their production work on this :o This is one of Jigga's best produced albums, right next to RD, BA and Blueprint.
I can't believe this was the follow up to Kingdom Come, what a drastic upgrade lol.
The only track I dislike even a bit is Hello Brooklyn
Pray - 5/5
American Dreamin' - 5/5
Hello Brooklyn - 3.75/5
No Hook - 5/5
Roc Boys - 5/5
Sweet - 4.25/5
I Know - 4/5
Party Life - 4.5/5
Ignorant Shit - 4.25/5
Say Hello - 4.5/5
Success - 4.5/5
Fallin' - 4.5/5
Blue Magic - 4.25/5
American Gangster - 4/5
top 5 in Jigga's disco, a great album. I dunno how so many ppl hate Jigga. He's certainly 1 of the greatest to ever do it.
I can't fucking wait for the Blueprint 3!
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i been sayin this, but some haters sayin it was wack. :nawty:
Kingdom Come was a huge let, besides like 4 songs lol.
but American Gangster i could listen begginning to end.
the worst song you have on here is Hello Brooklyn, but i think that was still a good track; i think you think the same, based off the rating.
no fillers, great shit. 8)
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i been sayin this, but some haters sayin it was wack. :nawty:
Kingdom Come was a huge let, besides like 4 songs lol.
but American Gangster i could listen begginning to end.
the worst song you have on here is Hello Brooklyn, but i think that was still a good track; i think you think the same, based off the rating.
no fillers, great shit. 8)
dumb haters lol
ya i only liked a handful of songs on KC
exactly, HB is the worst song and still far from a bad one
album flows perfectly and can easily listen beginning to end 8)
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its def a solid album and a huge improvement on kingdom come.
any news on blueprint 3 ?
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its def a solid album and a huge improvement on kingdom come.
any news on blueprint 3 ?
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=209173.0
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Totally agree, it's such a great album. I bump it since day one.
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I thought this album was horrible and I am not a hater. Ignorant shit was a great track and there were 2 or 3 other songs I liked but overall I thought the album was wack
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This was such a damn great album. I think many people disliked it because they made up their minds it was crap after hearing the terrible "Kingdom Come" album.
This album is so fantastic, especially to see a popular NY artist release an album without any mainstream sounding forced tracks. The production on this album is so dope and old school NY sounding, and Jigga fits all the beats perfectly. MAJOR PROPS need to go to Diddy, LV and Sean C for their production work on this :o This is one of Jigga's best produced albums, right next to RD, BA and Blueprint.
I can't believe this was the follow up to Kingdom Come, what a drastic upgrade lol.
The only track I dislike even a bit is Hello Brooklyn
Pray - 5/5
American Dreamin' - 5/5
Hello Brooklyn - 3.75/5
No Hook - 5/5
Roc Boys - 5/5
Sweet - 4.25/5
I Know - 4/5
Party Life - 4.5/5
Ignorant Shit - 4.25/5
Say Hello - 4.5/5
Success - 4.5/5
Fallin' - 4.5/5
Blue Magic - 4.25/5
American Gangster - 4/5
top 5 in Jigga's disco, a great album. I dunno how so many ppl hate Jigga. He's certainly 1 of the greatest to ever do it.
I can't fucking wait for the Blueprint 3!
It had to be the follow up to KC or Jay would have been done. KC to be honest sounded lazy and the subject matter went over people's heads. People love the club bangers from Jay, the slick talking Jay, the street stories from Jay. AG went back to that.
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I dont see why everyone hates on Kingdom Come for? Theres only a couple skippable tracks on there for me.
The prelude 5/5
Oh My God 4/5
Kingdom come 4.5/5
Show me what you got 4/5
Lost One 5/5
Do You wanna ride 3.75/5
30 Something 5/5
Made it 3.75/5
Anything 1/5
Hollywood 1/5
Trouble 5/5
Dig A Hole 4/5
Minortiy report 4/5
Beach Chair 3.75/5
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I bought it and think its good but nothing special. I'd take Blueprint, RD and Black album over it and never really bothered to listen much to life in times so i dunno whered id place it overall. The production was alright with some highlights like Ignorant Shit but there were a lot of average songs.
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Jay has been unlistenable since the Black Album.
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I dont see why everyone hates on Kingdom Come for? Theres only a couple skippable tracks on there for me.
The prelude 5/5
Oh My God 4/5
Kingdom come 4.5/5
Show me what you got 4/5
Lost One 5/5
Do You wanna ride 3.75/5
30 Something 5/5
Made it 3.75/5
Anything 1/5
Hollywood 1/5
Trouble 5/5
Dig A Hole 4/5
Minortiy report 4/5
Beach Chair 3.75/5
it doesnt have much replay value though, but it has some dope tracks. 8)
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the fact that henamed it american gangster and that movie was commin out round the same time just came of as cheezy to me. i get he was tryin to bank off the success of the movie but i thot it just seemed lame.
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the fact that henamed it american gangster and that movie was commin out round the same time just came of as cheezy to me. i get he was tryin to bank off the success of the movie but i thot it just seemed lame.
exactly, purely a marketing ploy to make some $$$. And what was that other shit that was a Budweiser commercial? Damn that song was fuckin horrible.
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I dont see why everyone hates on Kingdom Come for? Theres only a couple skippable tracks on there for me.
The prelude 5/5
Oh My God 4/5
Kingdom come 4.5/5
Show me what you got 4/5
Lost One 5/5
Do You wanna ride 3.75/5
30 Something 5/5
Made it 3.75/5
Anything 1/5
Hollywood 1/5
Trouble 5/5
Dig A Hole 4/5
Minortiy report 4/5
Beach Chair 3.75/5
it doesnt have much replay value though, but it has some dope tracks. 8)
The first track on the album is prolly my fav on the whole album! That and Lost Ones, cuz that track had a sick concept.
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the fact that henamed it american gangster and that movie was commin out round the same time just came of as cheezy to me. i get he was tryin to bank off the success of the movie but i thot it just seemed lame.
exactly, purely a marketing ploy to make some $$$. And what was that other shit that was a Budweiser commercial? Damn that song was fuckin horrible.
when has Jay not been about the money?
the title didnt really bother me, concidering the music on the disc was mad good, imo.
& the Bud commercial; like i said, Jay is always about the money.
i cant knock Jay's hustle. ;) 8)
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^^^Either can I, I dont think anyone can knock his hustle but I agree that for the most part Jay has not been listenable since The Black Album, and although I think that was a good album I don't think it was as great as a lot of people think it is. Jay in his prime is top 10 but I dont think he has been that great at all for several years now.
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^^^Either can I, I dont think anyone can knock his hustle but I agree that for the most part Jay has not been listenable since The Black Album, and although I think that was a good album I don't think it was as great as a lot of people think it is. Jay in his prime is top 10 but I dont think he has been that great at all for several years now.
i feel that.
i like Jay post Black Album though; Black Album is like border line classic & after that he went down, but i can still bump his shit. 8)
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the fact that henamed it american gangster and that movie was commin out round the same time just came of as cheezy to me. i get he was tryin to bank off the success of the movie but i thot it just seemed lame.
exactly, purely a marketing ploy to make some $$$. And what was that other shit that was a Budweiser commercial? Damn that song was fuckin horrible.
when has Jay not been about the money?
the title didnt really bother me, concidering the music on the disc was mad good, imo.
& the Bud commercial; like i said, Jay is always about the money.
i cant knock Jay's hustle. ;) 8)
I don't care about Jay's hustle. That's not what I look for in an artist.
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I dont see why everyone hates on Kingdom Come for? Theres only a couple skippable tracks on there for me.
The prelude 5/5
Oh My God 4/5
Kingdom come 4.5/5
Show me what you got 4/5
Lost One 5/5
Do You wanna ride 3.75/5
30 Something 5/5
Made it 3.75/5
Anything 1/5
Hollywood 1/5
Trouble 5/5
Dig A Hole 4/5
Minortiy report 4/5
Beach Chair 3.75/5
I did like the album, just thought he sounded like he was going through the motions at times. Subject matter was very grown up which I liked. Kind of like Cube's Raw Footage album in that regard but it was a good album. I just enjoyed American Gangster more.
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the fact that henamed it american gangster and that movie was commin out round the same time just came of as cheezy to me. i get he was tryin to bank off the success of the movie but i thot it just seemed lame.
exactly, purely a marketing ploy to make some $$$. And what was that other shit that was a Budweiser commercial? Damn that song was fuckin horrible.
when has Jay not been about the money?
the title didnt really bother me, concidering the music on the disc was mad good, imo.
& the Bud commercial; like i said, Jay is always about the money.
i cant knock Jay's hustle. ;) 8)
I don't care about Jay's hustle. That's not what I look for in an artist.
well its obvious he isnt in his prime anymore, im sure Jay-Z doesnt give a shit weather you still like him or not lol.
hes all about the green, even if that hurts his music; BUT i dont see it hurting his music concidering i still like it lol. 8)
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This was such a damn great album. I think many people disliked it because they made up their minds it was crap after hearing the terrible "Kingdom Come" album.
This album is so fantastic, especially to see a popular NY artist release an album without any mainstream sounding forced tracks. The production on this album is so dope and old school NY sounding, and Jigga fits all the beats perfectly. MAJOR PROPS need to go to Diddy, LV and Sean C for their production work on this :o This is one of Jigga's best produced albums, right next to RD, BA and Blueprint.
I can't believe this was the follow up to Kingdom Come, what a drastic upgrade lol.
The only track I dislike even a bit is Hello Brooklyn
Pray - 5/5
American Dreamin' - 5/5
Hello Brooklyn - 3.75/5
No Hook - 5/5
Roc Boys - 5/5
Sweet - 4.25/5
I Know - 4/5
Party Life - 4.5/5
Ignorant Shit - 4.25/5
Say Hello - 4.5/5
Success - 4.5/5
Fallin' - 4.5/5
Blue Magic - 4.25/5
American Gangster - 4/5
top 5 in Jigga's disco, a great album. I dunno how so many ppl hate Jigga. He's certainly 1 of the greatest to ever do it.
I can't fucking wait for the Blueprint 3!
I agree with you but Hello Brooklyn is horrible, Sweet sounds like a mediocre off his second album, I Know is a horrible Neptunes song, Party Life sounds horrible. Say Hello wtf is that, the beat is uninspired and the lyrics not much better. The reason why this album is luke warmly received is because apart from a few standout tracks, he is clearly rapping within himself and the beat selection is very dicey. However to label someone a hater because they don't like this album is just ignorant. Jay-Z to me is a brilliant rapper and shits on most but it's an arrogance which has led to him falling off, it seems he only comes hard when he wants to and most of the time he is just bogged down in bravado which is not half as witty as what his self adulating self seems to think on record. The album is bogged down by bs beats and he said it himself, he dumbed down for his audience. I think perhaps I judge him differently to most because I know what a talented mc he is but often it seems he is content to put out what amounts to decent albums, as opposed to outstanding albums. I think more than anything, this was a promise to go back to Reasonable Doubt and on beats alone, this isn't a shadow on the beats on that album.
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his flow is just off the chains on Party Life & Fallin'! 8)
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his flow is just off the chains on Party Life & Fallin'! 8)
You mean his new whisper flow? wtf is that, you need to re listen to reasonable doubt if you think that his flow on those two is anything great.
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All about the smoke blowing chick in the 'Blue Magic' promo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JODhpmXZpxc
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his flow is just off the chains on Party Life & Fallin'! 8)
You mean his new whisper flow? wtf is that, you need to re listen to reasonable doubt if you think that his flow on those two is anything great.
he cant match 22 Two's, i know that lol.
damn, i am about to bump that shit right now! 8)
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Considering how rushed the release of 'American Gangster' was, its not a bad album except for "Hello Brooklyn".
'Kingdom Come' on the other hand,... Garbage on Jay's part except for "Lost Ones" and "30 Something". The production minus a couple tracks were on point though.
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Considering how rushed the release of 'American Gangster' was, its not a bad album except for "Hello Brooklyn".
'Kingdom Come' on the other hand,... Garbage on Jay's part. The production minus a couple tracks were on point though.
yeah i was saying that back when i heard it was coming out, i was like shit, Kingdom Come dropped a few months ago...?
but he fuckin delivered with AG. 8)
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I couldn't agree less.kingdom come wasn't great but it showed growth as a man as an artist and the lyrics showed that.the subject matter was exactly what I wanted to hear because it was realistic,it was grown up music.But people hate change so they hated on the album they just wanted the same boring drug talk from him that hasn't been a part of his life for what almost 20 years now?he took a chance with it he took some flack then went back to the same boring subject matter.sure the production was solid but I found the album to be a step back for him.
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I couldn't agree less.kingdom come wasn't great but it showed growth as a man as an artist and the lyrics showed that.the subject matter was exactly what I wanted to hear because it was realistic,it was grown up music.But people hate change so they hated on the album they just wanted the same boring drug talk from him that hasn't been a part of his life for what almost 20 years now?he took a chance with it he took some flack then went back to the same boring subject matter.sure the production was solid but I found the album to be a step back for him.
Couldn't have said it better, altough Kingdom Come did have 2 or 3 crappy tracks.
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I dont see why everyone hates on Kingdom Come for? Theres only a couple skippable tracks on there for me.
The prelude 5/5
Oh My God 4/5
Kingdom come 4.5/5
Show me what you got 4/5
Lost One 5/5
Do You wanna ride 3.75/5
30 Something 5/5
Made it 3.75/5
Anything 1/5
Hollywood 1/5
Trouble 5/5
Dig A Hole 4/5
Minortiy report 4/5
Beach Chair 3.75/5
I agree. Kingdom Come is a slept on fire. Everything since the Blueprint I've bumped from Jay except for Blueprint 2. The Carter series I never got too into.
I think these are all classics:
Reasonable Doubt
Blueprint
Black Album
Kingdom Come
American Gangster
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I couldn't agree less.kingdom come wasn't great but it showed growth as a man as an artist and the lyrics showed that.the subject matter was exactly what I wanted to hear because it was realistic,it was grown up music.But people hate change so they hated on the album they just wanted the same boring drug talk from him that hasn't been a part of his life for what almost 20 years now?he took a chance with it he took some flack then went back to the same boring subject matter.sure the production was solid but I found the album to be a step back for him.
Couldn't have said it better, altough Kingdom Come did have 2 or 3 crappy tracks.
Where was the subject matter that went over peoples heads?
A sloppy short attempt to comment on katrina
A song telling the world with being in your mid thirty's is a blessing and that he runs rings around younger ones
A really weak Dre beat
Dig A Hole, Oh My God, Beach Chair, are the only songs which stand out at all in my opinion
None of his album went over anyones head (of if they did, god help those people) it was just very poor but as is the case with any of this, opinions differ wildly.
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I couldn't agree less.kingdom come wasn't great but it showed growth as a man as an artist and the lyrics showed that.the subject matter was exactly what I wanted to hear because it was realistic,it was grown up music.But people hate change so they hated on the album they just wanted the same boring drug talk from him that hasn't been a part of his life for what almost 20 years now?he took a chance with it he took some flack then went back to the same boring subject matter.sure the production was solid but I found the album to be a step back for him.
Couldn't have said it better, altough Kingdom Come did have 2 or 3 crappy tracks.
Where was the subject matter that went over peoples heads?
A sloppy short attempt to comment on katrina
A song telling the world with being in your mid thirty's is a blessing and that he rungs rings around younger ones
None of his album went over anyones head (of if they did, god help those people) it was just very poor but as is the case with any of this, opinions differ wildly.
Exactly.
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I never said it went over anyones head.but he showed growth and maturity.he was talking about something other then the same old boring drug talk.he was talking his real life which to me is more appealing then talking about a drug game that he hasn't been a part of for ages and has already said everything before.
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A lot of people forget there's more to hip-hop than the drug dealing hustler perspective so easily adopted by individuals.
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ya cause songs like Show Me What U Got, Do U Wanna Ride, Anything and Hollywood were all so fresh and original ::)
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^i liked Do U Wanna Ride & Anything. :) 8)
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i dont get how this was any more of a concept album than reasonable doubt? (garbage album btw, but def not as bad as kingdom come)
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ya cause songs like Show Me What U Got, Do U Wanna Ride, Anything and Hollywood were all so fresh and original ::)
I know it's the goal of an artist to be original but if that was the only rating we measured an artist on - the majority of them would receive F's. It was a more honest effort then most of his releases.
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ya cause songs like Show Me What U Got, Do U Wanna Ride, Anything and Hollywood were all so fresh and original ::)
I know it's the goal of an artist to be original but if that was the only rating we measured an artist on - the majority of them would receive F's. It was a more honest effort then most of his releases.
i agree, i'm just saying it's not totally innocent of buying into the grand scheme of how things are done in hiphop usually
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I couldn't agree less.kingdom come wasn't great but it showed growth as a man as an artist and the lyrics showed that.the subject matter was exactly what I wanted to hear because it was realistic,it was grown up music.But people hate change so they hated on the album they just wanted the same boring drug talk from him that hasn't been a part of his life for what almost 20 years now?he took a chance with it he took some flack then went back to the same boring subject matter.sure the production was solid but I found the album to be a step back for him.
Couldn't have said it better, altough Kingdom Come did have 2 or 3 crappy tracks.
Where was the subject matter that went over peoples heads?
A sloppy short attempt to comment on katrina
A song telling the world with being in your mid thirty's is a blessing and that he runs rings around younger ones
A really weak Dre beat
Dig A Hole, Oh My God, Beach Chair, are the only songs which stand out at all in my opinion
None of his album went over anyones head (of if they did, god help those people) it was just very poor but as is the case with any of this, opinions differ wildly.
I don't think the subject matter is something that reinvented the wheel, I just think what he was talking about people were not interested in what he was saying on KC. In that sense some of the songs came and went but in the same breath you have alot of fair weather peeps that listen to the music (ie the ones that need god's help) that do not want to hear some different Jay. But at the same time I feel like KC just was not executed as well as his previous efforts.
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the fact that henamed it american gangster and that movie was commin out round the same time just came of as cheezy to me. i get he was tryin to bank off the success of the movie but i thot it just seemed lame.
exactly, purely a marketing ploy to make some $$$. And what was that other shit that was a Budweiser commercial? Damn that song was fuckin horrible.
He made it cos the movie inspired him to go back and create a concept album with a hustler character, something he doesnt do in his regular life anymore. Album was dope though no doubt!
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i dont get how this was any more of a concept album than reasonable doubt? (garbage album btw, but def not as bad as kingdom come)
Because when making Reasonable Doubt he was living that life, American Gangster he wasnt
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i dont get how this was any more of a concept album than reasonable doubt? (garbage album btw, but def not as bad as kingdom come)
he was living that life, American Gangster he wasnt
but that doesnt take away from the album.
i mean at least Jay lived that life at one time.
most of the dudes out now, didnt live that life & still rap about it.
Jay is a legend! 8)
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i dont get how this was any more of a concept album than reasonable doubt? (garbage album btw, but def not as bad as kingdom come)
he was living that life, American Gangster he wasnt
but that doesnt take away from the album.
i mean at least Jay lived that life at one time.
most of the dudes out now, didnt live that life & still rap about it.
Jay is a legend! 8)
Oh no doubt I wasnt dissing the dude, I was saying thats why it's a concept album, and reasonable doubt isnt
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I only liked a few songs on the American Gangster original. But the chopped & screwed American Gangster is a whole lot better. Can listen to it from start to finish. If anyone wants 2 hear it, let me know & i'll upload it.
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Kingdom Come was better...
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I didn't like this or Kingdom Come.
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Kingdom Come was better...
yeah i agree with you
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i agree with what others are saying in the fact that at least kingdom come was a bit different and original. American gnagster is simply the album that makes u think i havent listened to RD in a while.
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Kingdom Come was better...
yeah i agree with you
I agree too.
KC is 4/5 for me and AG is 3.5/5