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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: love33 on April 04, 2009, 11:13:51 PM
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If Warren is going to be successful and move units like he did with his first three releases (2 multiplatinums and 1 gold), then he is going to need to catch the mainstream fan base which he tried and failed at on his first two albums.
I think he should do a "Crush Remix" and have Warren on there with Fat Joe, The Dream, The Game, and Diddy. I think this would be perfect because Fat Joe is perfect on a pimp track and then Game drops that heat while Dream could have a brand new killer hook and Diddy adds the VIP flavor to the track.
I hope someone from Warren's camp reads it and takes up the idea. It would be huge on XM Radio and get him a good quality single in rotation. When The Game remixed "Game's Pain" that made for a good supplement track when he put all those artists on there and Keisha and got him more airplay.
I would like to see Warren's next effort go at least gold.
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Who gives a fuck about the sales if that means having crap like Diddy & Fat Joe on there....c'mon now. :-\
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He needs some auto tune, maybe a few "A!!!!!"'s here and there, maybe some talk about spending money on a down ass bitch. I'm a hit producer diamond in the rough.
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If Warren is going to be successful and move units like he did with his first three releases (2 multiplatinums and 1 gold), then he is going to need to catch the mainstream fan base which he tried and failed at on his first two albums.
I think he should do a "Crush Remix" and have Warren on there with Fat Joe, The Dream, The Game, and Diddy. I think this would be perfect because Fat Joe is perfect on a pimp track and then Game drops that heat while Dream could have a brand new killer hook and Diddy adds the VIP flavor to the track.
I hope someone from Warren's camp reads it and takes up the idea. It would be huge on XM Radio and get him a good quality single in rotation. When The Game remixed "Game's Pain" that made for a good supplement track when he put all those artists on there and Keisha and got him more airplay.
I would like to see Warren's next effort go at least gold.
Homeboy, you're not an A&R. If you want club music, go listen to club music. Warren G is a unique artist. I don't see how having someone like that make shit that sounds like everyone else is going to be productive to his career. Warren G fans wants Warren G music. He's not going to appeal to a new fan base by doing poor imitations of Lil Wayne records because Lil Wayne fans or Diddy fans already have that. The market is over-saturated with that crap! Warren G sold three million copies of his first album so I don't see why he needs Fat Joe for a "mainstream fan base". I understand that people in Miami seem to think that their club scene is the measuring stick for what is popular in the mainstream but contrary to what you seem to think, neither Fat Joe or Game went multi-platinum on their last album. If your only concern is how many albums Warren sells, may he should try doing a profanity-free album with guest spots from Miley Cyrus and the Jonas Brothers. Perhaps, he'll get a Kids Choice Award.
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Who gives a fuck about the sales if that means having crap like Diddy & Fat Joe on there....c'mon now. :-\
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If Warren is going to be successful and move units like he did with his first three releases (2 multiplatinums and 1 gold), then he is going to need to catch the mainstream fan base which he tried and failed at on his first two albums.
Warren G has no hope of ever even being within reach of 500K in sales.
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Oooh ooh ooh here's a better idea! Maybe...just maybe, we should stop hyping up these washed up 40 year olds and start showing more support to G.Malone, Jay Rock, Nipsy Hustle, Problem, and the rest of the new guys that weren't rapping when we were fresh out of pampers. Just a thought.
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why the fuck should
a vet,
a og,
a legend
have to go the lil wayne route, the tpain or akon route to get heard when he was one of the most heard artists in the game period?
if he did it once, he might be able to do it again. but with albums like in the midnight hour and what hes been releasin lately as muzik, that aint gon do it.
people get it twisted thinkin fans want him to change his style. nah hes changin his style by recordin wit ray j.
RETURN OF THE REGULATOR IS A CLASSIC ALBUM THAT WAS BACKED BY A MAJOR.
aite times are different, but if warren got what he once had, then he can make another classic or near that jus as he has done many times before
he might not sell big but is havin a single wit a wack rapper or a rapper/singer wit somewhat talent goin to help him move that much more?
and how or why would he do such a thing when he came into the game on some g-funk muzik?
ray j is in love, not in funk.
tell em ironmike
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but the 40 yr olds made the classics we grew up with, so if they're able to make more classics, then i wanna hear that music.
its like tellin the old folks to stop listenin to marvin gaye. it aint goin to happen. that music willl never be old in their ears, and that is the music they like to hear coz they grew up with listening to it. so the same is for us, when it comes to the og's
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but the 40 yr olds made the classics we grew up with, so if they're able to make more classics, then i wanna hear that music.
But there not able. The only person left that is able to is Dre. And he needs ghost writers writing his lyrics and producers making his beats in order for that to happen.
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damn some of the realest shit said str8 up
good lookin iron mike, i knew you would come thru
but the 40 yr olds made the classics we grew up with, so if they're able to make more classics, then i wanna hear that music.
its like tellin the old folks to stop listenin to marvin gaye. it aint goin to happen. that music willl never be old in their ears, and that is the music they like to hear coz they grew up with listening to it. so the same is for us, when it comes to the og's
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But there not able. The only person left that is able to is Dre. And he needs ghost writers writing his lyrics and producers making his beats in order for that to happen.
warren is definately able to make more classic gfunk music if he wants to. its just a matter if he wants to take his music in a different direction or not. the fans love warren gs music from the 90's. thats the sound that we want warren to stick with. if he keeps tryin to change up his style, and will not keep the authentic gfunk sound, then he will lose most of his original fans, who make up most of the people that are still buyin his records.
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yeah i mean i dont like all of his muzik that he has dropped but he has bangers that i like
and the traxx that i dont like of his, his other fans like
i mean whether its his classic traxx like regulate, which is still amazin to this day or a less known song like
"speed dreamin" wit the george clinton on the hook, i mean thats some insane classic shit right there
and kills anything done by wayne, akon, ray
and at the same time of him droppin his album he brought the dopeness outta cpo boss hogg
damn what a album that is
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but the 40 yr olds made the classics we grew up with, so if they're able to make more classics, then i wanna hear that music.
But there not able. The only person left that is able to is Dre. And he needs ghost writers writing his lyrics and producers making his beats in order for that to happen.
Exactly.
And ironmike, the difference is, old folks are listening to old Marvin Gaye songs. It'd be different if they were completely ignoring all new artist / music because they couldn't let go of Marvin. Warren G had 1 hit and that was in 94.
"Muthafucka move on" - Joell Ortiz
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dude, thats your opinion, not mine. i'll listen to what i want to listen to.
i aint feelin the new shyt, so if the og's cant give me the music i want, then i'm more or less through with rap.
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why the fuck should
a vet,
a og,
a legend
have to go the lil wayne route, the tpain or akon route to get heard when he was one of the most heard artists in the game period?
if he did it once, he might be able to do it again. but with albums like in the midnight hour and what hes been releasin lately as muzik, that aint gon do it.
people get it twisted thinkin fans want him to change his style. nah hes changin his style by recordin wit ray j.
RETURN OF THE REGULATOR IS A CLASSIC ALBUM THAT WAS BACKED BY A MAJOR.
aite times are different, but if warren got what he once had, then he can make another classic or near that jus as he has done many times before
he might not sell big but is havin a single wit a wack rapper or a rapper/singer wit somewhat talent goin to help him move that much more?
and how or why would he do such a thing when he came into the game on some g-funk muzik?
ray j is in love, not in funk.
tell em ironmike
Most of Warren's singles that have been released to the net have been a complete flop (no offense, I'm a big fan, just bein real). "She Got Her Own Ringtone," "Mr. Disc Jockey," "Mr. President," and all these tracks have not got him any looks. The only track that raised an eyebrow was "Crush" but that wasn't enough. And "Crush" was a smart move to put Ray J on there since Ray J is all over television and he's also West Coast.
But you want to criticize Warren and categorize him for working with the wrong artists but wait wasn't it The Game who worked with P. Diddy's crew New Edition on the "Hot 2 Nite Remix." Wasn't it Warren who worked with Jermaine Dupri on "Havin Thangs"? It's called selling records and giving the masses what they want to hear.
The "Crush Remix" makes perfect sense since he's already gotten some minor airplay out West with it and it was his best track out of all his new ones. What's Warren supposed to do keep making these internet tracks that fewer than 2000 people download and then they call them subpar or wack and end up getting deleted?? Or is he supposed to drop some real records that appeal to the masses that he can get his name back out there and work with the top club artists and move some real units and get people saying his name again?? Sell around 500k with a club single like a "Crush Remix" and be all over XM Radio and hip hop sites and sell some ringtones or appeal to a few people on dubcnn who don't want him to make any real money anymore and pretend he's still making tracks for the kids who think it's 1994? Wasn't it The Game who pushed "The Doctor's Advocate" to platinum status because of his single with Kanye West? Think about it.
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I wouldn't even bother argueing with ironmike he's one of those people that can't change and are stuck in their ways.that's why he loves daz.every daz album is so generic and boring.everyone in dpg is generic and boring.they haven't been hot in over 10 years.they recycle the same old bullshit.that's what ironmike likes.same old boring crap.
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He should start wearing black mesh t-shirts. A Mohawk haircut seems to be in now. A Brazilian bikini wax in the same bundle. It's all about the image. If that doesn't generate sales then yer were damned from the beginning.
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If Warren is going to be successful and move units like he did with his first three releases (2 multiplatinums and 1 gold),
with this new album ? are you serious ? :laugh:
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nah warren made a album RETURN OF THE REGULATOR which is bangin, his chosen single was "lookin at you" and they even made a video for it.
now aite it was dre's work, but it aint like warren aint got it in him to make a single by himself
and what game did by recordin wit new edition wasnt right but at least that wasnt on his album
whereas warren is tryna put ray j on his album, thats the difference
noone is stuck in 1994 but the fans that grew up on a rapper that came out durin that era are suggestin that those same rappers make the muzik their known for makin not this new shit jus cuz ray j is hot right now or tpain is hot right now.
if he wants to record wit ray or whoever jus cuz they hot right now and to try and get their audience rather than make muzik for his audience that he built many years ago, go head. like to see how it turns out
but he or others cant deny that the album is wack when he got them features or them wack songs
why the fuck should
a vet,
a og,
a legend
have to go the lil wayne route, the tpain or akon route to get heard when he was one of the most heard artists in the game period?
if he did it once, he might be able to do it again. but with albums like in the midnight hour and what hes been releasin lately as muzik, that aint gon do it.
people get it twisted thinkin fans want him to change his style. nah hes changin his style by recordin wit ray j.
RETURN OF THE REGULATOR IS A CLASSIC ALBUM THAT WAS BACKED BY A MAJOR.
aite times are different, but if warren got what he once had, then he can make another classic or near that jus as he has done many times before
he might not sell big but is havin a single wit a wack rapper or a rapper/singer wit somewhat talent goin to help him move that much more?
and how or why would he do such a thing when he came into the game on some g-funk muzik?
ray j is in love, not in funk.
tell em ironmike
Most of Warren's singles that have been released to the net have been a complete flop (no offense, I'm a big fan, just bein real). "She Got Her Own Ringtone," "Mr. Disc Jockey," "Mr. President," and all these tracks have not got him any looks. The only track that raised an eyebrow was "Crush" but that wasn't enough. And "Crush" was a smart move to put Ray J on there since Ray J is all over television and he's also West Coast.
But you want to criticize Warren and categorize him for working with the wrong artists but wait wasn't it The Game who worked with P. Diddy's crew New Edition on the "Hot 2 Nite Remix." Wasn't it Warren who worked with Jermaine Dupri on "Havin Thangs"? It's called selling records and giving the masses what they want to hear.
The "Crush Remix" makes perfect sense since he's already gotten some minor airplay out West with it and it was his best track out of all his new ones. What's Warren supposed to do keep making these internet tracks that fewer than 2000 people download and then they call them subpar or wack and end up getting deleted?? Or is he supposed to drop some real records that appeal to the masses that he can get his name back out there and work with the top club artists and move some real units and get people saying his name again?? Sell around 500k with a club single like a "Crush Remix" and be all over XM Radio and hip hop sites and sell some ringtones or appeal to a few people on dubcnn who don't want him to make any real money anymore and pretend he's still making tracks for the kids who think it's 1994? Wasn't it The Game who pushed "The Doctor's Advocate" to platinum status because of his single with Kanye West? Think about it.
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I think Warren's aware his chances of goin' gold or platinum are numbered. ::) Let's at least focus on the music rather than who he needs on his record to sell-out. :P
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exactly. just keep true to the westcoast sound, and keep the featurings all westcoast, and dont dont try to do any sellout nonsense, and then warren'll sell good independant numbers. stay true to your own sound which is westcoast, people will respect you for that, and when you make a quality album of that rap genre, people will definately buy the album. i think warren has the ability to do up to 300k total sales on indy, if the album is made the right way. he'll do 100k total sales for sure tho.
anyways, i heard a couple new joints that warren was playin in the studio streaming live on ustream, and they sounded dope. despite the horrible "crush single" , and the ok "mr dj single" , i'm still lookin forward to the album. hearin those 2 new dope tracks warren played in the studio has re-inforced that.
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and what game did by recordin wit new edition wasnt right but at least that wasnt on his album
whereas warren is tryna put ray j on his album, thats the difference
But Game put Ne-Yo and Jamie Foxx on his albums and one of the Ne-Yo tracks was a radio single. The Kanye single "Wouldn't Get Far" pushed his second album to platinum status. But I guess it's okay for The Game to work with whoever he wants but Warren G can't??? That's don't make no sense to me seems hypocritical.
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exactly. just keep true to the westcoast sound, and keep the featurings all westcoast, and dont dont try to do any sellout nonsense, and then warren'll sell good independant numbers. stay true to your own sound which is westcoast, people will respect you for that, and when you make a quality album of that rap genre, people will definately buy the album. i think warren has the ability to do up to 300k total sales on indy, if the album is made the right way. he'll do 100k total sales for sure tho.
But that won't sell any records. Why would he want to be some basement artist or some crooked i message board artist who doesn't make any money just to stay true to a couple fans from the internet? If he puts together a single like what Game did with "Game's Pain" or look at how E-40 revitalized his career when he did that "Wake It Up" track and he was allover the clubs with Akon everyone loves that jam. What about when 40 did "You And Dat Pussy" with t-pain. That shit was poppin off and had his face back on tv, in the mainstream, selling ringtones, on the radio both xm and mainstream, hosting specials on mtv. Warren G used to have that crowd back in the day when he was on Def Jam too!
That's what Warren needs to do! Why not push a nice single with Game, The Dream, and Diddy and call it the "Crush Remix" kind of like what Game did when he did that "Game's Pain Remix" to get more looks?? Then he can follow it with another single. But I'm telling you this internet rapping for kids in the 90's isn't going to put any food on the table and isn't worth the electric bill at the studio to make those tracks. Real talk.
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game is a different rapper than warren and warren is a much better rapper than game will ever be, thats if warren wanted to keep it real and not do this industry shit hes tryna gain fans wit
nah i wasnt feelin that kanye, or neyo but game had to do that to gain those fans cuz those fans want that typa shit.
and e-40, what he did was good for him but again you cant compare 40, warren and game in this case
especially when warren made his name off of what he calls "g-funk"
and what game did by recordin wit new edition wasnt right but at least that wasnt on his album
whereas warren is tryna put ray j on his album, thats the difference
But Game put Ne-Yo and Jamie Foxx on his albums and one of the Ne-Yo tracks was a radio single. The Kanye single "Wouldn't Get Far" pushed his second album to platinum status. But I guess it's okay for The Game to work with whoever he wants but Warren G can't??? That's don't make no sense to me seems hypocritical.
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exactly. just keep true to the westcoast sound, and keep the featurings all westcoast, and dont dont try to do any sellout nonsense, and then warren'll sell good independant numbers. stay true to your own sound which is westcoast, people will respect you for that, and when you make a quality album of that rap genre, people will definately buy the album. i think warren has the ability to do up to 300k total sales on indy, if the album is made the right way. he'll do 100k total sales for sure tho.
But that won't sell any records. Why would he want to be some basement artist or some crooked i message board artist who doesn't make any money just to stay true to a couple fans from the internet? If he puts together a single like what Game did with "Game's Pain" or look at how E-40 revitalized his career when he did that "Wake It Up" track and he was allover the clubs with Akon everyone loves that jam. What about when 40 did "You And Dat Pussy" with t-pain. That shit was poppin off and had his face back on tv, in the mainstream, selling ringtones, on the radio both xm and mainstream, hosting specials on mtv. Warren G used to have that crowd back in the day when he was on Def Jam too!
That's what Warren needs to do! Why not push a nice single with Game, The Dream, and Diddy and call it the "Crush Remix" kind of like what Game did when he did that "Game's Pain Remix" to get more looks?? Then he can follow it with another single. But I'm telling you this internet rapping for kids in the 90's isn't going to put any food on the table and isn't worth the electric bill at the studio to make those tracks. Real talk.
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I guess my only issue is just because you throw "big name rappers" all on 1 track does not always make it a hit record. So all these this rapper needs ______ insert name here comes off very cookie cutter and forced.
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How old are you guys? I mean the guy is trying to fit today's music and bring a soul funk to it, its 2009 like it or not G-Funk is dead, there is no way this sound is coming back.. there is something called evolution you guys should try that. About Marvin Gaye, his music is timeless, we still listen to it because thats some stuff thats great music
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How old are you guys? I mean the guy is trying to fit today's music and bring a soul funk to it, its 2009 like it or not G-Funk is dead, there is no way this sound is coming back.. there is something called evolution you guys should try that. About Marvin Gaye, his music is timeless, we still listen to it because thats some stuff thats great music
co sign
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He should start wearing black mesh t-shirts. A Mohawk haircut seems to be in now. A Brazilian bikini wax in the same bundle. It's all about the image. If that doesn't generate sales then yer were damned from the beginning.
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Excellent points! Also, he should try coming up with his own dance. Perhaps his song could tell kids to "shake" something. We know the ladies love nicknames for their boobs and ass. Maybe he could start some kind of West Coast super group with Jayo Felony, Yukmouth, and Crooked I where they do some sort of New-Age Doo-Wop concept. The kids will love it and the West Coast will be mainstream again.
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But that won't sell any records.
As I said in my previous post, I don't think Warren's lookin for a huge selling single; Just makin' music & makin decent numbers.
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exactly. just keep true to the westcoast sound, and keep the featurings all westcoast, and dont dont try to do any sellout nonsense, and then warren'll sell good independant numbers. stay true to your own sound which is westcoast, people will respect you for that, and when you make a quality album of that rap genre, people will definately buy the album. i think warren has the ability to do up to 300k total sales on indy, if the album is made the right way. he'll do 100k total sales for sure tho.
anyways, i heard a couple new joints that warren was playin in the studio streaming live on ustream, and they sounded dope. despite the horrible "crush single" , and the ok "mr dj single" , i'm still lookin forward to the album. hearin those 2 new dope tracks warren played in the studio has re-inforced that.
thanks for agreein.
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How old are you guys? I mean the guy is trying to fit today's music and bring a soul funk to it, its 2009 like it or not G-Funk is dead, there is no way this sound is coming back.. there is something called evolution you guys should try that. About Marvin Gaye, his music is timeless, we still listen to it because thats some stuff thats great music
G-Funk is timeless too. I still bump my 90s albums, along with newer stuff. How is hip hop supposed to be recognized as a major genre if we don't treasure our classics? There are already enough new rappers doing autotunes and the features and stuff, so I appreciate the older rappers giving us their own style.
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He should start wearing black mesh t-shirts. A Mohawk haircut seems to be in now. A Brazilian bikini wax in the same bundle. It's all about the image. If that doesn't generate sales then yer were damned from the beginning.
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Excellent points! Also, he should try coming up with his own dance. Perhaps his song could tell kids to "shake" something. We know the ladies love nicknames for their boobs and ass. Maybe he could start some kind of West Coast super group with Jayo Felony, Yukmouth, and Crooked I where they do some sort of New-Age Doo-Wop concept. The kids will love it and the West Coast will be mainstream again.
Is 50 Cent a boyband too because he recorded a smash hit with Justin Timberlake? Oh, how about Snoop because he recorded with him too?
You are stretching this way too far. Just because you record a track with The Game, The Dream, and Diddy and score a hit doesn't mean you are a boyband. That's why some West Coast fans are so backwards because they are so stuck on the past. They want each and every artist to do albums of G-Funk tracks which we already have piles of from the 90's. It's okay to revisit that style for one track on the album; but every track shouldn't have to sound 1990's for Westcoast fans to put their stamp of approval on it.
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Is 50 Cent a boyband too because he recorded a smash hit with Justin Timberlake? Oh, how about Snoop because he recorded with him too?
You are stretching this way too far. Just because you record a track with The Game, The Dream, and Diddy and score a hit doesn't mean you are a boyband. That's why some West Coast fans are so backwards because they are so stuck on the past. They want each and every artist to do albums of G-Funk tracks which we already have piles of from the 90's. It's okay to revisit that style for one track on the album; but every track shouldn't have to sound 1990's for Westcoast fans to put their stamp of approval on it.
It's not about doing G-Funk or digging into the past crate but I'd rather he tried his own new things than following a formula that is already played out. I'm not into hearing collabos that are designed for pop crossover appeal if there is no heart in. I'm not saying that an artist can't work with whoever they like but beyond a possible club hit, where is the long term appeal in a Warren G-Fat Joe collabo? Warren has got his fan base. He should have fun and get creative with his stuff, not just make a bunch of songs that pander to the radio and club crowd.
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Everything what he do will be good as long as warren g'll be warren g, not somebody another.
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You guys need to listen to that brand new hit by The Game & Joe Buddens called "THE FUTURE." Listen to the lyrics and the modern beat and how it appeals to several different crowds. This is the type of music that Warren G should make and sit back and watch him explode with a little push.
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warren g alwayz cmos thru