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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on June 06, 2009, 10:12:03 AM
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Assuming there is a "Heaven" and "Hell" (I use quotations as not every religion will refer to it as Heaven and Hell), and assuming that one of the major motivations of religion is to make people better human beings. Why is it that a mass murderer who later turns their life over to Christ (or whichever God is yours) might be admitted into "Heaven" while a person who spends their entire life helping others, never hurting a fly, would not be admitted without becoming part of "the group". To me that seems a bit contradictory to the message that many religions try to push. That idea doesn't urge people to be better people, it teaches them that they can get away with murder...as long as God is in their life.
One more question. If in order to get into "Heaven", you must ask for forgiveness and turn your life over to whichever God it is you worship. What happens to people who are never contacted by the outside world and therefor never introduced to any of these religions? An uncontacted tribe in the middle of a South American jungle would never make it to "Heaven", because they never had the opportunity.
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send your question to:
someGOD@heaven.com
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send your question to:
someGOD@heaven.com
lol
I dont wanna get that new heaven virus...
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ive got a question. Assuming the bible and all that is true, this means we came from 2 ppl. So this means we are all inbred, so if thats true why is there inbred within separte families. Shouldnt there be none of that if we technically came from 2 ppl?
i cant seem to get the wording write but i hope what u know what im getting at.
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ive got a question. Assuming the bible and all that is true, this means we came from 2 ppl. So this means we are all inbred, so if thats true why is there inbred within separte families. Shouldnt there be none of that if we technically came from 2 ppl?
i cant seem to get the wording write but i hope what u know what im getting at.
My only guess is that when we started becoming more genetically diverse inbreeding became undesirable. Also I don't think the Bible explicitly says we all came from 2 people, simply that we are all descendants of them. That means God could of created more people who had offspring with Adam and Eve's children, grandchildren, etc.
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ive got a question. Assuming the bible and all that is true, this means we came from 2 ppl.
This guarantees that you are born a sinner and therefor must turn your life over to Christ if you want to be saved...Christianity is great huh?
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ive got a question. Assuming the bible and all that is true, this means we came from 2 ppl. So this means we are all inbred, so if thats true why is there inbred within separte families. Shouldnt there be none of that if we technically came from 2 ppl?
i cant seem to get the wording write but i hope what u know what im getting at.
My only guess is that when we started becoming more genetically diverse inbreeding became undesirable. Also I don't think the Bible explicitly says we all came from 2 people, simply that we are all descendants of them. That means God could of created more people who had offspring with Adam and Eve's children, grandchildren, etc.
ah i c, never really read to much into it all.
ive got a question. Assuming the bible and all that is true, this means we came from 2 ppl.
This guarantees that you are born a sinner and therefor must turn your life over to Christ if you want to be saved...Christianity is great huh?
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You could argue, from a Christian standpoint, that the good man not part of the group does get in just fine. Christ said that he came for the sinners not the righteous and that yoiu send a doctor to heal the sick, not the healthy. This means that the sick become healthy through Christ, but the already healthy are just fine the way they are. Thus, they get in anyway.
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You could argue, from a Christian standpoint, that the good man not part of the group does get in just fine. Christ said that he came for the sinners not the righteous and that yoiu send a doctor to heal the sick, not the healthy. This means that the sick become healthy through Christ, but the already healthy are just fine the way they are. Thus, they get in anyway.
That sounds good, but thats not the way its taught and thats not what Christians believe.
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You could argue, from a Christian standpoint, that the good man not part of the group does get in just fine. Christ said that he came for the sinners not the righteous and that yoiu send a doctor to heal the sick, not the healthy. This means that the sick become healthy through Christ, but the already healthy are just fine the way they are. Thus, they get in anyway.
That sounds good, but thats not the way its taught and thats not what Christians believe.
That's what I believe.
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You could argue, from a Christian standpoint, that the good man not part of the group does get in just fine. Christ said that he came for the sinners not the righteous and that yoiu send a doctor to heal the sick, not the healthy. This means that the sick become healthy through Christ, but the already healthy are just fine the way they are. Thus, they get in anyway.
That sounds good, but thats not the way its taught and thats not what Christians believe.
That's what I believe.
I find it funny how a lot of people call themselves Christians and Catholics and go to church but yet they disagree on what is taught by the heads of their religion. My mom being an example. She's a Catholic but she supports gay marriage and the right to abortion when the Catholic Church is against it. She also doesn't believe in the concept of Hell. I know that a lot of people are in the same situation, yet they still call themselves Christians. Why don't these people just go ahead and call themselves agnostic? Why do they insist on claiming membership of a group who's beliefs aren't in sync with their own?
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IMO people like that have a much more healthier approach to religion by not taking it so seriously as to feel the need to compulsively align themselves with a religious label that embodies their political views: it is an acknowledgement that the political stance of the religious organization is peripheral to the deeper understanding the organization claims to uphold and the personal belief and understanding that the individual encapsulates in the symbolism of the organization...
....I once went to mass and sat next to a Sikh, and being young and inquistive I asked why he was here and he gave a reply as to the effect of 'its all the same'. That shit blew my mind open. BOOM! Epiphany.
Jesus said, "If your leaders say to you, Look, the Kingdom
is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you.
If they say to you, 'It is in the sea,' then the fish will precede you. Rather,
the Kingdom is inside you and outside you.
When you know yourselves, then you will be known, and you will understand that you are
children of the living Father. But if you do not know yourselves, then you
live in poverty...
-Saying 3, The Secret Book of Judas Thomas the Twin.
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You could argue, from a Christian standpoint, that the good man not part of the group does get in just fine. Christ said that he came for the sinners not the righteous and that yoiu send a doctor to heal the sick, not the healthy. This means that the sick become healthy through Christ, but the already healthy are just fine the way they are. Thus, they get in anyway.
That sounds good, but thats not the way its taught and thats not what Christians believe.
That's what I believe.
I find it funny how a lot of people call themselves Christians and Catholics and go to church but yet they disagree on what is taught by the heads of their religion. My mom being an example. She's a Catholic but she supports gay marriage and the right to abortion when the Catholic Church is against it. She also doesn't believe in the concept of Hell. I know that a lot of people are in the same situation, yet they still call themselves Christians. Why don't these people just go ahead and call themselves agnostic? Why do they insist on claiming membership of a group who's beliefs aren't in sync with their own?
The head of my Church is Jesus and I believe in what he had to say. That takes precidence over anything any high priest, pope or patriarch has to say as far as I'm concerned. So I'd never call myself agnostic.
Don't know what your mother's reasons are but politically I don't want a ban on abortion because all it would do is drive it underground. Until we have an alternative to it, (like ectogenesis), it has to stay. I am also a strong believer in the complete separation of Church and State. So absolutely disagree with Gay marriage being made legal or a State issue. Much like I am against straight marriage in the same regard.
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If heaven was really that great and people were so sure it existed, they would kill themselves. Of course, they don;t because they doubt their belief in a heaven.
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I find it funny how a lot of people call themselves Christians and Catholics
Catholics are Christians u dumb fuck. Suck dick & lol @ u trying to kick knowledge. Anything u said is null and voided, u dummy
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If heaven was really that great and people were so sure it existed, they would kill themselves. Of course, they don;t because they doubt their belief in a heaven.
It's called faith for a reason. If it was certainty there would no other religions but the one you can prove.
P.S. I guess those suicide bombers are more certain than any of the rest of us.
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If heaven was really that great and people were so sure it existed, they would kill themselves. Of course, they don;t because they doubt their belief in a heaven.
suicide is a capitol sin.
capitol sins=no heaven
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If heaven was really that great and people were so sure it existed, they would kill themselves. Of course, they don;t because they doubt their belief in a heaven.
suicide is a capitol sin.
capitol sins=no heaven
Its so genius! lol Convince people there is this wonderful place where we go when we die...only one way to get there. Join the cult. Unfortunately, we are all sinners...so none of us will be able to go unless we join the cult. But, as great as this place is....do NOT kill yourself to get there, or you will not be admitted. Instead, keep sending your money...
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If heaven was really that great and people were so sure it existed, they would kill themselves. Of course, they don;t because they doubt their belief in a heaven.
suicide is a capitol sin.
capitol sins=no heaven
Its so genius! lol Convince people there is this wonderful place where we go when we die...only one way to get there. Join the cult. Unfortunately, we are all sinners...so none of us will be able to go unless we join the cult. But, as great as this place is....do NOT kill yourself to get there, or you will not be admitted. Instead, keep sending your money...
it so is.
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If heaven was really that great and people were so sure it existed, they would kill themselves. Of course, they don;t because they doubt their belief in a heaven.
suicide is a capitol sin.
capitol sins=no heaven
Its so genius! lol Convince people there is this wonderful place where we go when we die...only one way to get there. Join the cult. Unfortunately, we are all sinners...so none of us will be able to go unless we join the cult. But, as great as this place is....do NOT kill yourself to get there, or you will not be admitted. Instead, keep sending your money...
it so is.
Thats it....im starting my own religion and opening a church. Guaranteed money maker...like a casino.
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If heaven was really that great and people were so sure it existed, they would kill themselves. Of course, they don;t because they doubt their belief in a heaven.
suicide is a capitol sin.
capitol sins=no heaven
Its so genius! lol Convince people there is this wonderful place where we go when we die...only one way to get there. Join the cult. Unfortunately, we are all sinners...so none of us will be able to go unless we join the cult. But, as great as this place is....do NOT kill yourself to get there, or you will not be admitted. Instead, keep sending your money...
it so is.
Thats it....im starting my own religion and opening a church. Guaranteed money maker...like a casino.
http://www.southparkstudios.com/episodes/103910/
http://www.southparkstudios.com/episodes/103909/
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If heaven was really that great and people were so sure it existed, they would kill themselves. Of course, they don;t because they doubt their belief in a heaven.
suicide is a capitol sin.
capitol sins=no heaven
Its so genius! lol Convince people there is this wonderful place where we go when we die...only one way to get there. Join the cult. Unfortunately, we are all sinners...so none of us will be able to go unless we join the cult. But, as great as this place is....do NOT kill yourself to get there, or you will not be admitted. Instead, keep sending your money...
it so is.
Thats it....im starting my own religion and opening a church. Guaranteed money maker...like a casino.
My uncle told me about this guy he knew that ran a church. Actually, he owned 2 or 3 of them. He'd do his thing on Sundays, took everyone's money and lived the good life. He was convincing my uncle to get in on it because it was so lucrative. He's rolling in a Benz, living in a beautiful home and all off of tax-free money. Whenever anyone questioned him, he just told them that God blessed him.
He got to sleep with a bunch of the women going to his church because they all looked up to him and came to him for marriage advice. He just fucked them and told them not to tell their husbands.
Quite possibly the greatest job ever if you have no regard or concern for people whatsoever lol.
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If heaven was really that great and people were so sure it existed, they would kill themselves. Of course, they don;t because they doubt their belief in a heaven.
It's called faith for a reason. If it was certainty there would no other religions but the one you can prove.
P.S. I guess those suicide bombers are more certain than any of the rest of us.
Yes, they are more certain.
Deeds, not words as the Bible would say.
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If heaven was really that great and people were so sure it existed, they would kill themselves. Of course, they don;t because they doubt their belief in a heaven.
suicide is a capitol sin.
capitol sins=no heaven
Its so genius! lol Convince people there is this wonderful place where we go when we die...only one way to get there. Join the cult. Unfortunately, we are all sinners...so none of us will be able to go unless we join the cult. But, as great as this place is....do NOT kill yourself to get there, or you will not be admitted. Instead, keep sending your money...
it so is.
Thats it....im starting my own religion and opening a church. Guaranteed money maker...like a casino.
My uncle told me about this guy he knew that ran a church. Actually, he owned 2 or 3 of them. He'd do his thing on Sundays, took everyone's money and lived the good life. He was convincing my uncle to get in on it because it was so lucrative. He's rolling in a Benz, living in a beautiful home and all off of tax-free money. Whenever anyone questioned him, he just told them that God blessed him.
He got to sleep with a bunch of the women going to his church because they all looked up to him and came to him for marriage advice. He just fucked them and told them not to tell their husbands.
Quite possibly the greatest job ever if you have no regard or concern for people whatsoever lol.
Which I dont lol
Yeah, i had this friend tellin me about her grandparents who are members of this church in North Carolina. The guy who ran the church, also owned the adjacent housing community for church members. Thing is, in order to live in the community you had to be a member of the church, and members of the church were urged to live in the housing community. So now he was earning money off of their donations at church, and as well being their landlord. But the place was basically a wreck, when people would have issues with their unit...he would tell them to pray about it instead of fixing it lol
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I find it funny how a lot of people call themselves Christians and Catholics
Catholics are Christians u dumb fuck. Suck dick & lol @ u trying to kick knowledge. Anything u said is null and voided, u dummy
they are different. Being Christian means you believe in Christ. Catholic is a speciific church. Lol @ you catching feelings over something I said.
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You could argue, from a Christian standpoint, that the good man not part of the group does get in just fine. Christ said that he came for the sinners not the righteous and that yoiu send a doctor to heal the sick, not the healthy. This means that the sick become healthy through Christ, but the already healthy are just fine the way they are. Thus, they get in anyway.
That sounds good, but thats not the way its taught and thats not what Christians believe.
That's what I believe.
I find it funny how a lot of people call themselves Christians and Catholics and go to church but yet they disagree on what is taught by the heads of their religion. My mom being an example. She's a Catholic but she supports gay marriage and the right to abortion when the Catholic Church is against it. She also doesn't believe in the concept of Hell. I know that a lot of people are in the same situation, yet they still call themselves Christians. Why don't these people just go ahead and call themselves agnostic? Why do they insist on claiming membership of a group who's beliefs aren't in sync with their own?
The head of my Church is Jesus and I believe in what he had to say. That takes precidence over anything any high priest, pope or patriarch has to say as far as I'm concerned. So I'd never call myself agnostic.
Don't know what your mother's reasons are but politically I don't want a ban on abortion because all it would do is drive it underground. Until we have an alternative to it, (like ectogenesis), it has to stay. I am also a strong believer in the complete separation of Church and State. So absolutely disagree with Gay marriage being made legal or a State issue. Much like I am against straight marriage in the same regard.
I assume you belong to a specific religion because you replied to my post. But religions are man-made organizations with their own systems of belief. If you want to follow Jesus then that's one thing but why identify yourself as part of a group if you don't follow all its beliefs?
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You could argue, from a Christian standpoint, that the good man not part of the group does get in just fine. Christ said that he came for the sinners not the righteous and that yoiu send a doctor to heal the sick, not the healthy. This means that the sick become healthy through Christ, but the already healthy are just fine the way they are. Thus, they get in anyway.
That sounds good, but thats not the way its taught and thats not what Christians believe.
That's what I believe.
I find it funny how a lot of people call themselves Christians and Catholics and go to church but yet they disagree on what is taught by the heads of their religion. My mom being an example. She's a Catholic but she supports gay marriage and the right to abortion when the Catholic Church is against it. She also doesn't believe in the concept of Hell. I know that a lot of people are in the same situation, yet they still call themselves Christians. Why don't these people just go ahead and call themselves agnostic? Why do they insist on claiming membership of a group who's beliefs aren't in sync with their own?
The head of my Church is Jesus and I believe in what he had to say. That takes precidence over anything any high priest, pope or patriarch has to say as far as I'm concerned. So I'd never call myself agnostic.
Don't know what your mother's reasons are but politically I don't want a ban on abortion because all it would do is drive it underground. Until we have an alternative to it, (like ectogenesis), it has to stay. I am also a strong believer in the complete separation of Church and State. So absolutely disagree with Gay marriage being made legal or a State issue. Much like I am against straight marriage in the same regard.
I assume you belong to a specific religion because you replied to my post. But religions are man-made organizations with their own systems of belief. If you want to follow Jesus then that's one thing but why identify yourself as part of a group if you don't follow all its beliefs?
Politically I'm a conservative. Being a conservative means you stand for certain principles. You oppose government intervention as much as possible. You don't believe in something like the Iraq war. A bunch of people in the USA calling themselves conservatives not only agreed with it but defended it after the fact. They abandoned their conservative values but decided to keep their conservative titles. Why should I have to change what I'm called? Because stupid people now associate left wing ideas with the conservative party? That's not my fault.
I am a Christian. If my fellow Christians want to ignore certain teachings of Christ or put the writings of someone other than Jesus ahead of what Jesus said that's their problem. Not mine. They are the ones abandoning their Christian values for dogma. I won't leave the Church. But I can't stop the Church from leaving me. Juat because others want to blindly follow what a man who currently resides at the top of am organized religion to the point where they are contradicting the true head of their religion doesn't mean I have to find a new place.
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You could argue, from a Christian standpoint, that the good man not part of the group does get in just fine. Christ said that he came for the sinners not the righteous and that yoiu send a doctor to heal the sick, not the healthy. This means that the sick become healthy through Christ, but the already healthy are just fine the way they are. Thus, they get in anyway.
That sounds good, but thats not the way its taught and thats not what Christians believe.
That's what I believe.
I find it funny how a lot of people call themselves Christians and Catholics and go to church but yet they disagree on what is taught by the heads of their religion. My mom being an example. She's a Catholic but she supports gay marriage and the right to abortion when the Catholic Church is against it. She also doesn't believe in the concept of Hell. I know that a lot of people are in the same situation, yet they still call themselves Christians. Why don't these people just go ahead and call themselves agnostic? Why do they insist on claiming membership of a group who's beliefs aren't in sync with their own?
The head of my Church is Jesus and I believe in what he had to say. That takes precidence over anything any high priest, pope or patriarch has to say as far as I'm concerned. So I'd never call myself agnostic.
Don't know what your mother's reasons are but politically I don't want a ban on abortion because all it would do is drive it underground. Until we have an alternative to it, (like ectogenesis), it has to stay. I am also a strong believer in the complete separation of Church and State. So absolutely disagree with Gay marriage being made legal or a State issue. Much like I am against straight marriage in the same regard.
I assume you belong to a specific religion because you replied to my post. But religions are man-made organizations with their own systems of belief. If you want to follow Jesus then that's one thing but why identify yourself as part of a group if you don't follow all its beliefs?
Politically I'm a conservative. Being a conservative means you stand for certain principles. You oppose government intervention as much as possible. You don't believe in something like the Iraq war. A bunch of people in the USA calling themselves conservatives not only agreed with it but defended it after the fact. They abandoned their conservative values but decided to keep their conservative titles. Why should I have to change what I'm called? Because stupid people now associate left wing ideas with the conservative party? That's not my fault.
I am a Christian. If my fellow Christians want to ignore certain teachings of Christ or put the writings of someone other than Jesus ahead of what Jesus said that's their problem. Not mine. They are the ones abandoning their Christian values for dogma. I won't leave the Church. But I can't stop the Church from leaving me. Juat because others want to blindly follow what a man who currently resides at the top of am organized religion to the point where they are contradicting the true head of their religion doesn't mean I have to find a new place.
That's real spit. It was a Republican governor that allowed abortions in his state. It wasn't done because people LIKE abortion, it's done because people went underground and it caused a huge risk to women in America. Their had to be a legal alternative that people can turn too. The true political conservative would be for abortion because they believe in keeping government out of peoples lives.
I'm Catholic, I am personally against abortion, but I also don't think that the government should ban it. Too many women would kill themselves when it would go back underground. Now I maybe Catholic, but the church's leadership does not match it's people. Catholic so-called leadership protested Norte Dame having President Obama as a commencement speaker, when Norte Dame always have presidents speak, and when most Catholics voted for Obama. Church leadership is not in tune with reality, and it's sad.
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You could argue, from a Christian standpoint, that the good man not part of the group does get in just fine. Christ said that he came for the sinners not the righteous and that yoiu send a doctor to heal the sick, not the healthy. This means that the sick become healthy through Christ, but the already healthy are just fine the way they are. Thus, they get in anyway.
That sounds good, but thats not the way its taught and thats not what Christians believe.
That's what I believe.
I find it funny how a lot of people call themselves Christians and Catholics and go to church but yet they disagree on what is taught by the heads of their religion. My mom being an example. She's a Catholic but she supports gay marriage and the right to abortion when the Catholic Church is against it. She also doesn't believe in the concept of Hell. I know that a lot of people are in the same situation, yet they still call themselves Christians. Why don't these people just go ahead and call themselves agnostic? Why do they insist on claiming membership of a group who's beliefs aren't in sync with their own?
The head of my Church is Jesus and I believe in what he had to say. That takes precidence over anything any high priest, pope or patriarch has to say as far as I'm concerned. So I'd never call myself agnostic.
Don't know what your mother's reasons are but politically I don't want a ban on abortion because all it would do is drive it underground. Until we have an alternative to it, (like ectogenesis), it has to stay. I am also a strong believer in the complete separation of Church and State. So absolutely disagree with Gay marriage being made legal or a State issue. Much like I am against straight marriage in the same regard.
I assume you belong to a specific religion because you replied to my post. But religions are man-made organizations with their own systems of belief. If you want to follow Jesus then that's one thing but why identify yourself as part of a group if you don't follow all its beliefs?
Politically I'm a conservative. Being a conservative means you stand for certain principles. You oppose government intervention as much as possible. You don't believe in something like the Iraq war. A bunch of people in the USA calling themselves conservatives not only agreed with it but defended it after the fact. They abandoned their conservative values but decided to keep their conservative titles. Why should I have to change what I'm called? Because stupid people now associate left wing ideas with the conservative party? That's not my fault.
I am a Christian. If my fellow Christians want to ignore certain teachings of Christ or put the writings of someone other than Jesus ahead of what Jesus said that's their problem. Not mine. They are the ones abandoning their Christian values for dogma. I won't leave the Church. But I can't stop the Church from leaving me. Juat because others want to blindly follow what a man who currently resides at the top of am organized religion to the point where they are contradicting the true head of their religion doesn't mean I have to find a new place.
What it means to be a conservative might have changed in the last several years but you can't say the same for religion. Its not like the church is becoming more restrictive. Religion has actually become more lax and eased up on some of its rules. They used to completely control how people lived. The Church traditions were still around before you were born (hence they were there when you joined the church) so that argument doesn't really work. I also don't see how Christ is the true leader of the church (he is what it is based on, true, but the idea of being a Christian is a man-made principle that was conceived by men after his death).
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I didn't really choose to join any Church. I was born into the Greek Christian-Orthodox Church and it's never been on the same page as the Catholic Church that controlled it's people. Greeks were of the very first converts. And they were converted hundreds of years before Rome adopted Christianity and starting changing it completely. The Greek Church was always the Eastern Church and separate from the Roman Western Church. If I was a born and raised Catholic I'm not even sure if I'd go to Church.
Shit, even the Rasta Bob Marley saw something in the Orthodox way of looking at the Religion. He converted and was baptised Orthodox shortly before his death.
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^yeah Ethiopian Orthodox Christian
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