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Title: Why do people act like doggystyle was snoops
Post by: Jaydc555 on June 26, 2009, 02:15:03 AM
What I mean by that is when people always have arguements on here about snoop vs some other rapper they always bring up doggystyle like he made it all by himself.This album was a collective work from many artists.This is a result of dre and Nate and everyone else at death row all at the top of their game.Doc helping snoop write and dre making the music with unforgettable guest spots.Since then what has he done?If you take doggystyle away from his catalogue what are you left with?A bunch of inconsistent music.Snoop didn't make a classic the same way nas or biggie or PAC made a classic.He had tons of help.Snoop could never make a classic if left to his own devices and he's proven that throughout the rest of his career.Its why when people talk about the greatest to ever do it he has never and will never be mentioned
Title: Re: Why do people act like doggystyle was snoops
Post by: elmizzy on June 26, 2009, 02:22:24 AM
Excluding Doggystyle, Doggfather was his only solid album. I agree with the inconsistency
Title: Re: Why do people act like doggystyle was snoops
Post by: Kool Beenz on June 26, 2009, 02:28:37 AM
Doggystyle, Doggfather, and Blue Carpet Treatment were classics albums
 
Tha Last Meal, No Limit Top Dogg were above average

Ego Trippin, Da Game is to be Sold Not Told, Dead Man walking were average albums

Paid the Cost to Be The Boss and R&G are below average

everyone who helped make Doggystyle were parts of classic albums themselves also


you just ognna know how to make great music and thats what Snoop does
Title: Re: Why do people act like doggystyle was snoops
Post by: Kool Beenz on June 26, 2009, 02:30:00 AM
inconsistency?
snoop always drops albums just like pac did
weather it was with death row, tha eastsidaz, doggys angels, or welcome to the chuuuch

he stays consistent just like rappers are suppose too


and yeah im sticking up for my favorite rapper fuck it
Title: Re: Why do people act like doggystyle was snoops
Post by: Jaydc555 on June 26, 2009, 02:33:01 AM
Blue carpet was decent but far from classic.Same with doggfather which to Me is his second best album.No surprise his two best albums were on death row.
Title: Re: Why do people act like doggystyle was snoops
Post by: Portugoal on June 26, 2009, 02:36:41 AM
Tha Last Meal is -along with Doggystyle- one of my favorite rap albums.
Title: Re: Why do people act like doggystyle was snoops
Post by: Jaydc555 on June 26, 2009, 02:39:08 AM
Here's what I don't get about snoop.The man is a star,a legend.He doesn't need to conform to whatever is popular to sell.His best music is always made with dre and dpg members.But what does he do?Whatever is popular.He's a sellout to his artistry.Its so frustrating seeing someone that could be so much better become an industry whore who will work with whoevers hot at the moment.Since he left death row he's become such a joke.People still buy his albums just off the strength of doggystyle.
Title: Re: Why do people act like doggystyle was snoops
Post by: Kool Beenz on June 26, 2009, 02:43:21 AM
Blue Carpter was his best effort after Doggystyle IMO
then of course the bad ass G-funk from Doggfather

he is an Artist snoop can try different things and make it work...

for fucks sakes look at Lil Wayne he is worse then snoop cus he is an Artist but sucks so bad he is even making a fuckin rock album and auto tune with T Pain

Jay Z who had his career stealing rhymes is a legend

TI the biggest selling sell out of all gets his dick sucked for being a sell out wanna be artist as long as Kayne

i look at Snoop as legend status just like Ice cube
cus they never forgot where they are from and still have love for hip hop
Title: Re: Why do people act like doggystyle was snoops
Post by: Jaydc555 on June 26, 2009, 02:46:55 AM
The artist snoop could have been and the artist he ended up being are worlds apart.I look at 50 cent in that same light.Doesn't mean they can't drop some good music now and then but they aren't who they could have been.Like I said their is a reason snoops name hasn't and never will be mentioned with the best
Title: Re: Why do people act like doggystyle was snoops
Post by: Episcop Cruel Cvrle on June 26, 2009, 02:48:10 AM
doggystyle, agree with the jaydc it was a great album that has extra quality cause of the chemistry between doc, dre, snoop, dpg, nate..deathrow...classic

doggfather...also great album, classic, different then doggystlye made with different people but showed that snoop can hold it without dre and deliver great music....classic


last meal...also amazing album, snoop came back to his roots after he experimented with no limit southern style...


no limit top dogg...great album, lotta people sleep on this one but should give it a chance


cant really say other snoop dogg albums are weak, they are just different, created with different style

snoop dogg is a legend, even his worst album is a good album.
Title: Re: Why do people act like doggystyle was snoops
Post by: Kool Beenz on June 26, 2009, 02:49:51 AM
doggystyle, agree with the jaydc it was a great album that has extra quality cause of the chemistry between doc, dre, snoop, dpg, nate..deathrow...classic

doggfather...also great album, classic, different then doggystlye made with different people but showed that snoop can hold it without dre and deliver great music....classic


last meal...also amazing album, snoop came back to his roots after he experimented with no limit southern style...


no limit top dogg...great album, lotta people sleep on this one but should give it a chance


cant really say other snoop dogg albums are weak, they are just different, created with different style

snoop dogg is a legend, even his worst album is a good album.
8)
Title: Re: Why do people act like doggystyle was snoops
Post by: Dre-Day on June 26, 2009, 02:51:51 AM
What I mean by that is when people always have arguements on here about snoop vs some other rapper they always bring up doggystyle like he made it all by himself.This album was a collective work from many artists.This is a result of dre and Nate and everyone else at death row all at the top of their game.Doc helping snoop write and dre making the music with unforgettable guest spots.Since then what has he done?If you take doggystyle away from his catalogue what are you left with?A bunch of inconsistent music.Snoop didn't make a classic the same way nas or biggie or PAC made a classic.He had tons of help.Snoop could never make a classic if left to his own devices and he's proven that throughout the rest of his career.Its why when people talk about the greatest to ever do it he has never and will never be mentioned

well put: i've been stating this for a while, but most posters don't like to hear it, as Snoop is a prophet to them.

Snoop is really dependant on guidance
Title: Re: Why do people act like doggystyle was snoops
Post by: Jaydc555 on June 26, 2009, 02:52:11 AM
Rhythm and gangsta and the first no limit albums were two of the worst albums I've ever heard in my life by an artist of that caliber.And paid tha cost and ego tripping aren't far behind
Title: Re: Why do people act like doggystyle was snoops
Post by: Portugoal on June 26, 2009, 02:53:10 AM
What I mean by that is when people always have arguements on here about snoop vs some other rapper they always bring up doggystyle like he made it all by himself.This album was a collective work from many artists.This is a result of dre and Nate and everyone else at death row all at the top of their game.Doc helping snoop write and dre making the music with unforgettable guest spots.Since then what has he done?If you take doggystyle away from his catalogue what are you left with?A bunch of inconsistent music.Snoop didn't make a classic the same way nas or biggie or PAC made a classic.He had tons of help.Snoop could never make a classic if left to his own devices and he's proven that throughout the rest of his career.Its why when people talk about the greatest to ever do it he has never and will never be mentioned

well put: i've been stating this for a while, but most posters don't like to hear it, as Snoop is a prophet to them.

Snoop is really dependant on guidance

You're German.
Title: Re: Why do people act like doggystyle was snoops
Post by: Trip Dee on June 26, 2009, 03:37:00 AM
Here's what I don't get about snoop.The man is a star,a legend.He doesn't need to conform to whatever is popular to sell.His best music is always made with dre and dpg members.But what does he do?Whatever is popular.He's a sellout to his artistry.Its so frustrating seeing someone that could be so much better become an industry whore who will work with whoevers hot at the moment.

Agree.

Since he left death row he's become such a joke.People still buy his albums just off the strength of doggystyle.

C'mon man, he still drops heat every once in a while (Doggfather, No Limit Top Dogg, Tha Last Meal, Tha Eastsidaz, Paid Da Cost To Be Da Boss, even Ego Trippin was quite cool)... And i wouldn't overrate the strenght of Doggystyle now. It was a long time ago...
Title: Re: Why do people act like doggystyle was snoops
Post by: Blasphemy on June 26, 2009, 05:14:32 AM
Snoop was the star of the album...but your actually got a point.


The most successful albums on the West Coast are all Top-Stars and all have a amazing Guest List (usually)

The Chronic - Had Former N.W.A Member Dr. Dre, his innovated Production Style (lets not get into debate, I think both Above The Law and Dr. Dre developed the sound, with Above The Law finally giving the incarnation the name.) had Snoop Dogg (previously ridding the success of "187 (Deep cover)", and had All the Top Dogs Warren G, Nate, RBX,George Clinton(small Cameos), Kurupt etc.

DoggyStyle - Snoop's much anticipated Debut Had Dr. Dre on Production (Who won critical acclaim for The Chronic during its release), RBX, Nate, Kurupt, and Warren G (with a small Cameo from Dr. Dre, and George Clinton). With Snoop's Trademark Loose Easy Flow, and calming word play/rhymes it popularized The Lazy Drawl rhyming and was also praised because it kept a Realstic Sense of things (not mindless gangster shit, but Parties, the way they talked in the skits, etc.) - It Outsold The Chronic.

Dogg Food - The DoggPounds debut, The Production was Daz (many confusing it at the time with Dr. Dre, who just mixed) had barely any Cameos. It failed to outdo Doggystyle.

All Eyez On Me - This album is widely called the top West Coast album by multiple sources and fans.Being 1 of the highest selling in Rap, Its Star Studded Cast had every Top Rapper on it. With Production proved by Dr. Dre (2 songs), Daz, and Johnny J this became a hit.


Warren Gs album was made by him, and only had a couple of appearances by Nate. It only sold about as much as The Chronic.

Its not just about the starring artist on the album, Its WHO was on the album (both rapping and Production wise). If Soulja Boy (don't laugh keep reading) Had Daz, Dr. Dre, Warren G, and Had multiple A-list guest, His Album would be a Moderate Success (I'm sorry, even if he had god himself on the fucker his ass still sucks to negate nearly 2/3s of that talent).Hell Soulja Bitches album would probably be leaked with is vocals cut out and nothing but Solos of his guest. lol
Title: Re: Why do people act like doggystyle was snoops
Post by: kuruptlon on June 26, 2009, 07:28:06 AM
Doggystyle is on another level than anything but thats for a number of reasons, the spotlight was on Snoop and he rose to the occasion.

That said Doggfather and Tha Last Meal are 2 of my favorite albums as well. Snoop really suprised me with Tha Last Meal because I had all but writtin him off after the 2 albums he put out before that. Tha Last Meal was reallly a return to the classic Snoop we all know and love, and you got to love the fact that he reached out to kokane because he really signed on that album (Hennysey and Buddah is the fucking issue)

And I just want to close my post with the reason why I posted in the first place. The Game Is To Be Sold Not Told as a whole (save for still a G thang and Snoop World) is the worst sound I've ever had the misfortune of hearing. After hearing that trash I really started being more cautious about buying music. I bought that album right when it came out because it was Snoop, now I'm more careful because I dont ever want to be burdaned with the pain of hearing something that awful ever again.

I don't want people to come on and reply like well he did it because he was with master p, or he was experiencing with new styles. No, that is pure and utter trash and I will not accept any excuse for it.
Title: Re: Why do people act like doggystyle was snoops
Post by: OG Hack Wilson on June 26, 2009, 07:33:03 AM
the best lyrics were wrote by DOC (or Slick Rick), the best verses on the album were Kurupt  (for all my niggas and my bitches + doggy dogg world)



Snoop was amazing on it but so many people don't even KNOW "lodi dodi" wasn't Snoops!!


this is my 3rd favorite CD ever....but just like how THE CHRONIC was not just Doc Dre, Doggystyle was not just Snoop.
Title: Re: Why do people act like doggystyle was snoops
Post by: Detox Iz Not Active on June 26, 2009, 07:35:30 AM
What I mean by that is when people always have arguements on here about snoop vs some other rapper they always bring up doggystyle like he made it all by himself.This album was a collective work from many artists.This is a result of dre and Nate and everyone else at death row all at the top of their game.Doc helping snoop write and dre making the music with unforgettable guest spots.Since then what has he done?If you take doggystyle away from his catalogue what are you left with?A bunch of inconsistent music.Snoop didn't make a classic the same way nas or biggie or PAC made a classic.He had tons of help.Snoop could never make a classic if left to his own devices and he's proven that throughout the rest of his career.Its why when people talk about the greatest to ever do it he has never and will never be mentioned


why do you think Chronic was a Dre album?
Title: Re: Why do people act like doggystyle was snoops
Post by: OG Hack Wilson on June 26, 2009, 07:35:30 AM
and btw Snoop post Doggystyle albums get worse and worse it seems
Title: Re: Why do people act like doggystyle was snoops
Post by: Trojan God on June 26, 2009, 08:20:46 AM
and btw Snoop post Doggystyle albums get worse and worse it seems

Well not neceserilly, cuz after doggystyle, doggfather was still pretty solid.. Other than the last meal, the No Limit album were disappointments.. They did have a few tracks that were good on each album, but they lacked something.  The album with Pharell (R&G), (Paid The Cost), they brought him back up to "star" level cuz pharell was hot at the time.  BCT and Ego Trippin he kinda got back to westcoast music featuring more artists from the coast...

Snoop is to the point where he's running out of ideas, so we are fans of his arent willing to accept his change cuz it seems like hes just pushing albums on us without really takin our opinions into consideration...

Im sure everybody would agree that Press Play off Ego Trippin gets more spins in our MP3s, Systems and Computer than Sexual Eruption
Title: Re: Why do people act like doggystyle was snoops
Post by: kuruptlon on June 26, 2009, 08:35:31 AM
the best lyrics were wrote by DOC (or Slick Rick), the best verses on the album were Kurupt  (for all my niggas and my bitches + doggy dogg world)


Snoop was amazing on it but so many people don't even KNOW "lodi dodi" wasn't Snoops!!


this is my 3rd favorite CD ever....but just like how THE CHRONIC was not just Doc Dre, Doggystyle was not just Snoop.

Lets not forget how Kurupt absolutely murdered Aint No Fun

Well, if Kurupt gave a fuck about a bitch I'd always be broke ...

Everytime I hear that I know he's just about to rip it to pieces.

One of the best kurupt verses
Title: Re: Why do people act like doggystyle was snoops
Post by: OG Hack Wilson on June 26, 2009, 08:39:01 AM
and btw Snoop post Doggystyle albums get worse and worse it seems

Well not neceserilly, cuz after doggystyle, doggfather was still pretty solid.. Other than the last meal, the No Limit album were disappointments.. They did have a few tracks that were good on each album, but they lacked something.  The album with Pharell (R&G), (Paid The Cost), they brought him back up to "star" level cuz pharell was hot at the time.  BCT and Ego Trippin he kinda got back to westcoast music featuring more artists from the coast...

Snoop is to the point where he's running out of ideas, so we are fans of his arent willing to accept his change cuz it seems like hes just pushing albums on us without really takin our opinions into consideration...

Im sure everybody would agree that Press Play off Ego Trippin gets more spins in our MP3s, Systems and Computer than Sexual Eruption

doggystyle = amazing

doggfather = slightly above average

last meal = average

everything else = below average



it's SAD for snoop when his best post-death row album was DEAD MAN WALKING....a death row remix album LOL
Title: Re: Why do people act like doggystyle was snoops
Post by: Sir Petey on June 26, 2009, 08:40:17 AM
this thread was a great way to rally up all snoops dickriders in one spot...now we know whos musical opinions hold weight and who are just here to ride snoopsdick


no homo
Title: Re: Why do people act like doggystyle was snoops
Post by: OG Hack Wilson on June 26, 2009, 08:41:30 AM
the best lyrics were wrote by DOC (or Slick Rick), the best verses on the album were Kurupt  (for all my niggas and my bitches + doggy dogg world)


Snoop was amazing on it but so many people don't even KNOW "lodi dodi" wasn't Snoops!!


this is my 3rd favorite CD ever....but just like how THE CHRONIC was not just Doc Dre, Doggystyle was not just Snoop.

Lets not forget how Kurupt absolutely murdered Aint No Fun

Well, if Kurupt gave a fuck about a bitch I'd always be broke ...

Everytime I hear that I know he's just about to rip it to pieces.

One of the best kurupt verses


yeah...on Aint no fun to be honset i'll take Snoop's verse over Kurupts and NATE DOGG'S VERSE OVER BOTH  8)
Title: Re: Why do people act like doggystyle was snoops
Post by: Jimmy H. on June 26, 2009, 12:10:52 PM
So Doggystyle isn't a Snoop album because he had producers and guest artists on it? You guys crack me up. Every fucking album made in popular music is the result of collaborating. If you remove Doggystyle from the mix, you have nothing? You are trying way too hard to underplay the man. Without Doggystyle, you still have Deep Cover. You still have his work on "The Chronic". You still have the Murder Was The Case soundtrack. You still have his songs with Tha Dogg Pound, 2Pac. You still have his songs on Tha Eastsidaz albums. You still have "Drop It Like It's Hot", which while I'm not really a fan was his first #1 single in his career. And I can keep going.

Doggystyle is the album everyone brings up because it's that rare classic album that few artists have in them. As much as everyone throws the term around, there aren't that many artsits who drop an actual classic album of that caliber. Plenty of people have studios full of dope producers and crews full of talented writers, singers, and rappers at their disposal but few people ever drop a "Doggystyle". To say that Snoop is overrated because he didn't drop an album like that every time he went out is absurd to me. It's like saying Michael Jackson is overrated because he never topped "Thriller". Neither Snoop's skills nor sales have steadily declined since 1993-94. He's put out some bad stuff and he's dropped some classic material. I mean, just who exactly are we comparing Snoop to here? Who has dropped a classic debut without the help of a great producer then gone on to either top or match it with each subsequent release while still pushing platinum numbers? Let's hear how many names we can come up with.
Title: Re: Why do people act like doggystyle was snoops
Post by: K-MACC on June 26, 2009, 12:22:41 PM
and btw Snoop post Doggystyle albums get worse and worse it seems

Well not neceserilly, cuz after doggystyle, doggfather was still pretty solid.. Other than the last meal, the No Limit album were disappointments.. They did have a few tracks that were good on each album, but they lacked something.  The album with Pharell (R&G), (Paid The Cost), they brought him back up to "star" level cuz pharell was hot at the time.  BCT and Ego Trippin he kinda got back to westcoast music featuring more artists from the coast...

Snoop is to the point where he's running out of ideas, so we are fans of his arent willing to accept his change cuz it seems like hes just pushing albums on us without really takin our opinions into consideration...

Im sure everybody would agree that Press Play off Ego Trippin gets more spins in our MP3s, Systems and Computer than Sexual Eruption

doggystyle = amazing

doggfather = slightly above average

last meal = average

everything else = below average



it's SAD for snoop when his best post-death row album was DEAD MAN WALKING....a death row remix album LOL
crooked i = fail
Title: Re: Why do people act like doggystyle was snoops
Post by: kuruptlon on June 26, 2009, 12:28:38 PM
So Doggystyle isn't a Snoop album because he had producers and guest artists on it? You guys crack me up. Every fucking album made in popular music is the result of collaborating. If you remove Doggystyle from the mix, you have nothing? You are trying way too hard to underplay the man. Without Doggystyle, you still have Deep Cover. You still have his work on "The Chronic". You still have the Murder Was The Case soundtrack. You still have his songs with Tha Dogg Pound, 2Pac. You still have his songs on Tha Eastsidaz albums. You still have "Drop It Like It's Hot", which while I'm not really a fan was his first #1 single in his career. And I can keep going.

Doggystyle is the album everyone brings up because it's that rare classic album that few artists have in them. As much as everyone throws the term around, there aren't that many artsits who drop an actual classic album of that caliber. Plenty of people have studios full of dope producers and crews full of talented writers, singers, and rappers at their disposal but few people ever drop a "Doggystyle". To say that Snoop is overrated because he didn't drop an album like that every time he went out is absurd to me. It's like saying Michael Jackson is overrated because he never topped "Thriller". Neither Snoop's skills nor sales have steadily declined since 1993-94. He's put out some bad stuff and he's dropped some classic material. I mean, just who exactly are we comparing Snoop to here? Who has dropped a classic debut without the help of a great producer then gone on to either top or match it with each subsequent release while still pushing platinum numbers? Let's hear how many names we can come up with.


Bravo...golf clap.
Title: Re: Why do people act like doggystyle was snoops
Post by: Funkstradamus on June 26, 2009, 01:50:42 PM
what about No Limit Top Dogg...Production fron Dre, Quik, Meech Wells and Raphael Saadiq...other than the few manditory No Limit apperances..this album was hot!!!
Title: Re: Why do people act like doggystyle was snoops
Post by: Sir Petey on June 26, 2009, 03:34:58 PM
if your not really battle cat you should probably shoot yourself in the face.
Title: Re: Why do people act like doggystyle was snoops
Post by: Triple OG Rapsodie on June 26, 2009, 04:24:59 PM
So Doggystyle isn't a Snoop album because he had producers and guest artists on it? You guys crack me up. Every fucking album made in popular music is the result of collaborating. If you remove Doggystyle from the mix, you have nothing? You are trying way too hard to underplay the man. Without Doggystyle, you still have Deep Cover. You still have his work on "The Chronic". You still have the Murder Was The Case soundtrack. You still have his songs with Tha Dogg Pound, 2Pac. You still have his songs on Tha Eastsidaz albums. You still have "Drop It Like It's Hot", which while I'm not really a fan was his first #1 single in his career. And I can keep going.

Doggystyle is the album everyone brings up because it's that rare classic album that few artists have in them. As much as everyone throws the term around, there aren't that many artsits who drop an actual classic album of that caliber. Plenty of people have studios full of dope producers and crews full of talented writers, singers, and rappers at their disposal but few people ever drop a "Doggystyle". To say that Snoop is overrated because he didn't drop an album like that every time he went out is absurd to me. It's like saying Michael Jackson is overrated because he never topped "Thriller". Neither Snoop's skills nor sales have steadily declined since 1993-94. He's put out some bad stuff and he's dropped some classic material. I mean, just who exactly are we comparing Snoop to here? Who has dropped a classic debut without the help of a great producer then gone on to either top or match it with each subsequent release while still pushing platinum numbers? Let's hear how many names we can come up with.

great post. Only example I can think of off the dome is Pac
Title: Re: Why do people act like doggystyle was snoops
Post by: OG Hack Wilson on June 26, 2009, 04:32:54 PM
did Jimmy H really say Snoops sales and skills haven't declined??


his last album dind't go plat OR gold and he hasn't made a good song since Crooks and Dogs
Title: Re: Why do people act like doggystyle was snoops
Post by: Jaydc555 on June 26, 2009, 04:32:58 PM
Jimmy missed the point of my thread entirely but its ok.
Title: Re: Why do people act like doggystyle was snoops
Post by: Jimmy H. on June 26, 2009, 04:43:19 PM
I thought about Pac as an example but I think "2Pacalypse Now" is one of those albums that people call a classic in hindsight. It was an excellent album but it's known more for its historical signifance of being Pac's debut than being a defining album in his career. I think "Me Against The World", "Makaveli", and to a lesser degree, "All Eyez On Me", were his defining albums.  
Title: Re: Why do people act like doggystyle was snoops
Post by: Jaydc555 on June 26, 2009, 04:48:56 PM
If you can't see snoop fell off over ten years ago you are a fan boy.He should have retired every album he puts out tarnishes his legacy even more.Its like watching michael Jordan after he came back with the wizards
Title: Re: Why do people act like doggystyle was snoops
Post by: OG Hack Wilson on June 26, 2009, 04:49:30 PM
I thought about Pac as an example but I think "2Pacalypse Now" is one of those albums that people call a classic in hindsight. It was an excellent album but it's known more for its historical signifance of being Pac's debut than being a defining album in his career. I think "Me Against The World", "Makaveli", and to a lesser degree, "All Eyez On Me", were his defining albums.  

i think 2pacalypse was the best way to look at where he came from...my favorite album except for MAkaveli.

it shows us:

black panther background
Digital underground influence
Live Squad influence (thats where the gangsta side of 2pac came from, Stretch and Majesty)
great story telling tracks (Violent, Soula STory, Trapped, Part time Mother, Crooked Ass Nigga)

and the 2 most socially-concsious 2pac tracks "brenda's got a baby" and "part time motha" - real shit.




oh man 2pacalypse now, that's my shit.  it's too bad that TNT didn't allow him to release it as a double album as he intended.
Title: Re: Why do people act like doggystyle was snoops
Post by: Allpaul on June 26, 2009, 04:51:35 PM
what about No Limit Top Dogg...Production fron Dre, Quik, Meech Wells and Raphael Saadiq.....this album was hot!!!
Yeah! I also don't understand the hate for Paid the Cost.. It's easily his most consistent in years. I wonder if people actually ever listen to these albums, or just repeat what they read on the internet... Both of these are < Tha Last Meal to me... They're just more focused and on point.. Especially Paid the Cost..
Title: Re: Why do people act like doggystyle was snoops
Post by: J$crILLa on June 26, 2009, 04:53:51 PM
5/5= Doggystyle,

4.5/5= Doggfather

4/5= Blue Carpet Treatment, Tha Last Meal, No Limit Top Dogg

3.5/5= Paid the Cost to Be The Boss  

3/5= R&G, Dead Man Walking

2/5= Ego Trippin, Da Game is to be Sold Not Told


and thats my breakdown... and snoop is the main artists on doggystyle.. yes he had alot of people involved. but what can u say snoop snapped on that album

Title: Re: Why do people act like doggystyle was snoops
Post by: OG Hack Wilson on June 26, 2009, 04:55:27 PM
5/5= Doggystyle,

4.5/5= Doggfather

4/5= Blue Carpet Treatment, Tha Last Meal, No Limit Top Dogg

3.5/5= Paid the Cost to Be The Boss  

3/5= R&G, Dead Man Walking

2/5= Ego Trippin, Da Game is to be Sold Not Told


and thats my breakdown... and snoop is the main artists on doggystyle.. yes he had alot of people involved. but what can u say snoop snapped on that album




doggfather was not a 4.5/5

it was, at the best, a 3.5 out of 5.  snoop could ahve done ALOT better...even the singles sound half-hearted.  its like he knew he was leaving death row and just kinda quit trying.
Title: Re: Why do people act like doggystyle was snoops
Post by: Triple OG Rapsodie on June 26, 2009, 04:57:36 PM
did Jimmy H really say Snoops sales and skills haven't declined??


his last album dind't go plat OR gold and he hasn't made a good song since Crooks and Dogs

There were several dope songs on Ego Trippin, not to mention Blue Carpet Treatment. Do you actually listen to these albums?
Title: Re: Why do people act like doggystyle was snoops
Post by: OG Hack Wilson on June 26, 2009, 05:03:43 PM
did Jimmy H really say Snoops sales and skills haven't declined??


his last album dind't go plat OR gold and he hasn't made a good song since Crooks and Dogs

There were several dope songs on Ego Trippin, not to mention Blue Carpet Treatment. Do you actually listen to these albums?


i give them all a full through listen one time

then i delete the songs i didn't see myself ever wanting to listen to again...and most of the time it's 2/3 of the CD's lol



as far as doggystyle goes, i bump that shit full-thru atleast 15x a year, maybe 20  8)
Title: Re: Why do people act like doggystyle was snoops
Post by: Jimmy H. on June 26, 2009, 05:04:24 PM
did Jimmy H really say Snoops sales and skills haven't declined??


his last album dind't go plat OR gold and he hasn't made a good song since Crooks and Dogs
Your "Crooks and Dogs" comment paired with the statement that his only good post-DR album was "Dead Man Walking" speak for themselves. Your entire basis is your personal taste.

What I said was his sales and/or skills have not steadily declined since Doggystyle. Some of his albums have been better than others and I definitely don't think that each album he's put out since then has been worse than the one proceeding it.  
Title: Re: Why do people act like doggystyle was snoops
Post by: Jimmy H. on June 26, 2009, 05:06:36 PM

i give them all a full through listen one time

then i delete the songs i didn't see myself ever wanting to listen to again.
 
No woinder why your analysis of his stuff is so off.
Title: Re: Why do people act like doggystyle was snoops
Post by: OG Hack Wilson on June 26, 2009, 05:07:46 PM
did Jimmy H really say Snoops sales and skills haven't declined??


his last album dind't go plat OR gold and he hasn't made a good song since Crooks and Dogs
Your "Crooks and Dogs" comment paired with the statement that his only good post-DR album was "Dead Man Walking" speak for themselves. Your entire basis is your personal taste.

What I said was his sales and/or skills have not steadily declined since Doggystyle. Some of his albums have been better than others and I definitely don't think that each album he's put out since then has been worse than the one proceeding it.  


well we can agree to disagree; the Crooks and Dogg thing may be an exageration


especially since Snoop's recent guest song with La Coka Nostra is fucking ILL  8)



but it's the same thing as the Nas debate...Illmatic dropped in 1994 and his albums since are full of SOME quality bangers but never COMPLETE like his first album was.  



but in all seriousness, Walking dead man or whatever Suge called that shit IS the best post death row album he's dropped...it's the only one i find myself replaying.  head doctor was nice.
Title: Re: Why do people act like doggystyle was snoops
Post by: OG Hack Wilson on June 26, 2009, 05:10:58 PM

i give them all a full through listen one time

then i delete the songs i didn't see myself ever wanting to listen to again.
 
No woinder why your analysis of his stuff is so off.


why waste time listening to something that doesn't appeal to me?


don't make me go get my data discs and point some examples for you


jimmy, what's your take on "The Shaggy SHow"


if you don't know what song that is then get outta the thread lol
Title: Re: Why do people act like doggystyle was snoops
Post by: J$crILLa on June 26, 2009, 05:11:43 PM
5/5= Doggystyle,

4.5/5= Doggfather

4/5= Blue Carpet Treatment, Tha Last Meal, No Limit Top Dogg

3.5/5= Paid the Cost to Be The Boss  

3/5= R&G, Dead Man Walking

2/5= Ego Trippin, Da Game is to be Sold Not Told


and thats my breakdown... and snoop is the main artists on doggystyle.. yes he had alot of people involved. but what can u say snoop snapped on that album




doggfather was not a 4.5/5

it was, at the best, a 3.5 out of 5.  snoop could ahve done ALOT better...even the singles sound half-hearted.  its like he knew he was leaving death row and just kinda quit trying.

i can bump tha doggfather all the way through no problems everytime.... its a just a chill album... but every track is hot
Title: Re: Why do people act like doggystyle was snoops
Post by: OG Hack Wilson on June 26, 2009, 05:18:41 PM
5/5= Doggystyle,

4.5/5= Doggfather

4/5= Blue Carpet Treatment, Tha Last Meal, No Limit Top Dogg

3.5/5= Paid the Cost to Be The Boss  

3/5= R&G, Dead Man Walking

2/5= Ego Trippin, Da Game is to be Sold Not Told


and thats my breakdown... and snoop is the main artists on doggystyle.. yes he had alot of people involved. but what can u say snoop snapped on that album




doggfather was not a 4.5/5

it was, at the best, a 3.5 out of 5.  snoop could ahve done ALOT better...even the singles sound half-hearted.  its like he knew he was leaving death row and just kinda quit trying.

i can bump tha doggfather all the way through no problems everytime.... its a just a chill album... but every track is hot

wasn't Hollywood Bank Robbery cut from Doggfather??  that would've been the song song on the whole CD (except for Vapors..which ofcourse was a Biz Markie cover song and not OG snoop material)
Title: Re: Why do people act like doggystyle was snoops
Post by: Will_B on June 26, 2009, 05:18:46 PM
Doggystyle is 100% his best. it's up there with 2001 (Both just above The Chronic).

Last Meal bangs, but Dead Man Walking and Murder Was The Case both top that too.

Doggfather has some really good stuff but is a bit flat overall, not really an enjoyable album to play all the way through. Wasn't that because it was made up of an odd selection of tracks like the ones of the LBC Crew album? A bit of a mish mash rather that a complete album project? Something his later albums suffered from (after Last Meal) up until Blue Carpet when he started getting back on point.
Title: Re: Why do people act like doggystyle was snoops
Post by: OG Hack Wilson on June 26, 2009, 05:20:59 PM
Doggystyle is 100% his best. it's up there with 2001 (Both just above The Chronic).

Last Meal bangs, but Dead Man Walking and Murder Was The Case both top that too.

Doggfather has some really good stuff but is a bit flat overall, not really an enjoyable album to play all the way through. Wasn't that because it was made up of an odd selection of tracks like the ones of the LBC Crew album? A bit of a mish mash rather that a complete album project? Something his later albums suffered from (after Last Meal) up until Blue Carpet when he started getting back on point.


doggystyle > chronic                    > chronic 2001



Title: Re: Why do people act like doggystyle was snoops
Post by: Triple OG Rapsodie on June 26, 2009, 05:25:30 PM
did Jimmy H really say Snoops sales and skills haven't declined??


his last album dind't go plat OR gold and he hasn't made a good song since Crooks and Dogs
Your "Crooks and Dogs" comment paired with the statement that his only good post-DR album was "Dead Man Walking" speak for themselves. Your entire basis is your personal taste.

What I said was his sales and/or skills have not steadily declined since Doggystyle. Some of his albums have been better than others and I definitely don't think that each album he's put out since then has been worse than the one proceeding it.  


well we can agree to disagree; the Crooks and Dogg thing may be an exageration


especially since Snoop's recent guest song with La Coka Nostra is fucking ILL  8)



but it's the same thing as the Nas debate...Illmatic dropped in 1994 and his albums since are full of SOME quality bangers but never COMPLETE like his first album was.  



but in all seriousness, Walking dead man or whatever Suge called that shit IS the best post death row album he's dropped...it's the only one i find myself replaying.  head doctor was nice.

As Jimmy H said, isn't that the case for almost every artist? Who else outdoes their classic debut?

Lyrically Snoop is the same as he always was. Still rapping about not loving hoes, etc etc.
Title: Re: Why do people act like doggystyle was snoops
Post by: PLANT on June 26, 2009, 05:34:51 PM
Snoop puts out dope music.  If he cut his albums (besides Doggystyle) down to 13-15 tracks he would have more classics.  I dont know why he has to put 20+ songs on every cd....But still, Snoop is the man  8)

BTW, Hack you got a serious hate on for Snoop, eh? ???
Title: Re: Why do people act like doggystyle was snoops
Post by: OG Hack Wilson on June 26, 2009, 05:38:08 PM
Gza out-did 36 chambers....some people think Raekwon did too

2pac out-did Me Against the World...and THEN out-did All Eyez

Quik's first 2 albums are classics to me but Safe N Sound was his best (3rd album)

and after long debate, i've decided that NWA's Niggaz4life is a better overall album than Str8 Outta Compton

Title: Re: Why do people act like doggystyle was snoops
Post by: Jimmy H. on June 26, 2009, 06:15:46 PM
jimmy, what's your take on "The Shaggy SHow"
 
I'm not really into Insane Clown Posse. I've heard the song a couple times and it seemed cool but it's not in rotation enough for me to give a valid opinion.

Gza out-did 36 chambers....some people think Raekwan did too

2pac out-did Me Against the World...and THEN out-did All Eyez

Quik's first 2 albums are classics to me but Safe N Sound was his best (3rd album)

and after long debate, i've decided that NWA's Niggaz4life is a better overall album than Str8 Outta Compton
 
I don't agree at all that All Eyez On Me outdid Me Against The World. It has some songs on there that are arguably better than some of the best songs on Me Against The World (depending on what you are feeling that day) but conceptially as an album, it's all over the place. It's kind of like "Documentary" to me. It's drowned in banging tracks but the subject matter is mostly the same. I think "Me Against The World" says a lot more in one disc than All Eyez does in two.

Title: Re: Why do people act like doggystyle was snoops
Post by: OG Hack Wilson on June 26, 2009, 06:33:42 PM
While I don't agree with what you say sir, I shall fight to the death you're right to say it.


Title: Re: Why do people act like doggystyle was snoops
Post by: D-Nice on June 26, 2009, 06:34:03 PM
Death Row falling apart and DPGC not sticking together fucked up that whole crew, which in turn fucked up Snoop's musical direction. I know Dre did not want the hell of dealing with Suge if he signed Snoop to Aftermath but I think if he did his career would be alot different. Also Cube and Mack 10 were interested in signing Snoop back in the day.
Title: Re: Why do people act like doggystyle was snoops
Post by: Triple OG Rapsodie on June 26, 2009, 06:42:33 PM
Gza out-did 36 chambers....some people think Raekwan did too

2pac out-did Me Against the World...and THEN out-did All Eyez

Quik's first 2 albums are classics to me but Safe N Sound was his best (3rd album)

and after long debate, i've decided that NWA's Niggaz4life is a better overall album than Str8 Outta Compton



For GZA and Raekwon, their debuts are Liquid Swords and Only Built 4 Cuban Linx (which are their best albums). 36 Chambers is a Wu Tang album and doesn't count as their individual debut, otherwise you might as well call The Chronic Snoop's debut.

Never really got into Quik myself. I think only his first album could even be considered a classic. The word classic means an album that is influential and has stood the test of time. His first album was the most well recieved by people in general (though you may have a different personal opinion)

Niggaz4life only was better in terms of production. You are the first person I have met who actually thinks its a better album, most people believe they weren't as good without Cube.

As I said in my first post, Pac is one of the only rappers I can think of who managed to put out a classic album and then outdo it. Mobb Deep have as well. But its hard to come up with examples, which is the whole point. Snoop is no more different then the majority of rappers in that they are unable to put out an album to even come close to their debut.
Title: Re: Why do people act like doggystyle was snoops
Post by: D-Nice on June 26, 2009, 06:44:23 PM
2 compilation albums I always wanted but never got

Soul Assassins (core group members)

DPGC
Title: Re: Why do people act like doggystyle was snoops
Post by: nuk23 on June 26, 2009, 07:03:18 PM
Jimmy missed the point of my thread entirely but its ok.

What are u talking about? Seems like u don't even know the point of your own thread?  After someone explains, how u can't take credit away from Snoop for Doggystyle, u try to switch and make it seem like the point of this thread was that Snoop fell off... What??

95% of people on here would agree that Snoop fell off since his Chronic/Doggystyle days..  Thats not the point.  

In your title and ur argument is that Snoop shouldn't get credit for Doggystyle.  This is where I and other people disagree w/ ur point.  Like the other guy said, Snoop put his work in, not only Doggystyle, but the Chronic and all other Deathrow projects at the time.  Sure, there were other people around (producers/mcs) putting in their input.. But still Doggystyle is Snoops CD.  He even freestyled 3-4 songs on it (Shiznit, G'z Up Hoes Down..etc).  Dre has always said that Snoop was the easiest artist he ever worked with.  Not the best, but the easiest.  Snoop was a beast back then, would freestyle and come up w/ writtens real quick.. I mean he wrote the Chronic along w/ D.O.C and a lil help from RBX, but he was prob the main writer for dre, not to mention everything he wrote for himself.  So I don't see how u can take credit away.  

And the other point about him falling off, yeah.. Thats true, When he first came out.. He was the hottest thing going in hip hop, he had a voice and flow we never heard.. he's not as young and hungry mc as he used to be.  I don't think anybodys debating that?  But who hasn't fallen off?  90% of rappers don't ever top thier 1st albums.. (Jay-z, Nas, Biggie, Ice Cube, Game, 50 Cent) the list goes on & on.  Thats cuz thier 1st album, they put everything into it.. they've been writing that album from the moment they decided to become a rapper, so its like 10-15 years of ideas, put down into one album, not 1 year of studio time of stuff they wrote after the 1st album for the 2nd album.
But Snoop hasn't fallen off as much as most other artist.. While he may not make another Doggystyle.. He still shows here and there that he can flow his ass off.  But he's older now, and he's got to expand as an artist, I honestly don't want to hear a forty something year old rapper rapping about nothing but hardcore gangsta shit.. If thats what u want to listen to.. U should complain about some young artists not making music that u want to hear!  

And it doesn't help that he had Dr. Dre producing his whole entire debut album... How is he gonna top that??  They had the perfect chemistry... Now, I might be wrong, but I believe if todays Snoop, gets Dre to do his whole album, he can still put out a classic album...  To me, 95% of the stuff they do together is hott.. From the Wash Soundtrack, to the stuff on Top Dogg, Last Meal, Blue Carpet.. Give me a whole album of them two..  And then we can properly judge how far he's fallen off.. I might be in the minority but, I think Dre's fallen off more than Snoop has.  Maybe Detox will prove me wrong.. If it ever comes out!
Title: Re: Why do people act like doggystyle was snoops
Post by: Jaydc555 on June 26, 2009, 07:29:14 PM
My point of the thread was to point out snoop is an over rated artist.Doggystle was a collective effort and if you took snoop off that project and inserted another emcee in his parts while snoop played the side role the album would still be a classic.I made the thread because kept defending snoop as some great artist because he made doggystyle when 70 percent of that albums greatness was because of others output.Snoop could never make a classic album if it was up to him by himself which he has proved throughout his career
Title: Re: Why do people act like doggystyle was snoops
Post by: Funkstradamus on June 26, 2009, 08:00:59 PM
if your not really battle cat you should probably shoot yourself in the face.
get the nuts biiiyatch...i dont talk ta hoes with dick on they breath...
Title: Re: Why do people act like doggystyle was snoops
Post by: West Coast Veteran on June 26, 2009, 08:11:47 PM
Tha Doggfather was not a good album, it was a HUGE disappointme and all his other albums as well but he does have classic songs since Doggystyle. I wonder how Daz/DJ Pooh/Soopafly couldn't create a classic like they did with Dogg Food with their production. Snoop's flow fell off dramatically as well on that album thats when he switched from that sing songy flow (Doggystyle, Dogg Food) to the talking flow...
Title: Re: Why do people act like doggystyle was snoops
Post by: Jimmy H. on June 26, 2009, 10:07:57 PM
My point of the thread was to point out snoop is an over rated artist.Doggystle was a collective effort and if you took snoop off that project and inserted another emcee in his parts while snoop played the side role the album would still be a classic.I made the thread because kept defending snoop as some great artist because he made doggystyle when 70 percent of that albums greatness was because of others output.Snoop could never make a classic album if it was up to him by himself which he has proved throughout his career
I see other posts in this thread I'd like to reply to but the ignorance in this comment deserves the most immediate attention. 70 percent of the album's greatness is because of other people? Then why exactly did they give it to Snoop? You can argue all day about how much you think he did or didn't fall off after whatever album but nobody was fucking with Snoop back when that album was being made. If it was the whole fucking group, they would have given the whole fucking group the next project as "Snoop and Tha Dogg Pound". It's very hard to give people the proper context to view events from the past (especially when a decade and a half has gone by) but Snoop sold that fucking album. Anybody who thinks they could have just thrown Joe Nobody on that Gin & Juice beat and got the same result is either ill-informed or just straight lying to themselves. Snoop made those fucking songs what they were. Did other artists contribute to it? No doubt but you wouldn't have got the same result if you gave the same beats to Kurupt and had him push out a solo album. If everyone was equal, Snoop would not have been the guy on Deep Cover or nearly everyone of The Chronic's singles (matter of fact, where there any singles that didn't have Snoop?). Yes, Dre helped mentor the guy but it wasn't like he grabbed some no-talent chump off the street and said, "Here, we're gonna spend all our time and money into making you a superstar". If the major ingredients behind The Chronic and Doggystyle were only 30% Snoop and 70% everyone else, why the fuck did they keep handing the torch to Snoop?

As far as making a "classic album" by himself. Here is kind of a return to my original point. You keep bringing it up like so many fucking rappers have made a "Doggystyle" on their own without a producer or their own crew. Who has fucking done it? Snoop hasn't made another Doggystyle because albums like that don't fucking happen everyday. You're a fucking one in a million artist if you get one. There's maybe a handful of rappers in the world who have made albums on that level. It's not just talent. Luck and timing play a huge part as well. Your argument was that Doggystyle would never been the album it was if Snoop wasn't surrounded by all the right artists and producers. My rebutal to that was that that is every fucking classic album or movie. Talented people aren't all these do-it-yourself geniuses who scoop up novices and make art out of thin air. They are people who are smart enough to surround themselves with other talented people.
Title: Re: Why do people act like doggystyle was snoops
Post by: Sir Petey on June 26, 2009, 11:52:48 PM
if your not really battle cat you should probably shoot yourself in the face.
get the nuts biiiyatch...i dont talk ta hoes with dick on they breath...


I mean i like the mans beats as much as anyone but you cant just try and assume a niggas identity...thats corny.
Title: Re: Why do people act like doggystyle was snoops
Post by: 2euce 7even on June 27, 2009, 04:16:46 AM
you can say tha same about "the chronic" too and the typical "dre-hate talk" would be:
"dre didnt do shit on tha chronic"
lyrics (writers): snoop doggy dogg and the d.o.c
rapping: snoop doggy dogg, dat nigga daz, kurupt tha kingpin, rbx, the lady of rage, warren g, etc.
production: daz, warren g, the glove,etc.
Title: Re: Why do people act like doggystyle was snoops
Post by: Okka on June 27, 2009, 04:26:30 AM
Doggystyle, Doggfather, and Blue Carpet Treatment were classics albums

No Limit Top Dogg & Tha Last Meal > Blue Carpet Treatment
Title: Re: Why do people act like doggystyle was snoops
Post by: OG Hack Wilson on June 27, 2009, 06:06:04 AM
Gza out-did 36 chambers....some people think Raekwan did too

2pac out-did Me Against the World...and THEN out-did All Eyez

Quik's first 2 albums are classics to me but Safe N Sound was his best (3rd album)

and after long debate, i've decided that NWA's Niggaz4life is a better overall album than Str8 Outta Compton



For GZA and Raekwon, their debuts are Liquid Swords and Only Built 4 Cuban Linx (which are their best albums). 36 Chambers is a Wu Tang album and doesn't count as their individual debut, otherwise you might as well call The Chronic Snoop's debut.

Never really got into Quik myself. I think only his first album could even be considered a classic. The word classic means an album that is influential and has stood the test of time. His first album was the most well recieved by people in general (though you may have a different personal opinion)

Niggaz4life only was better in terms of production. You are the first person I have met who actually thinks its a better album, most people believe they weren't as good without Cube.

As I said in my first post, Pac is one of the only rappers I can think of who managed to put out a classic album and then outdo it. Mobb Deep have as well. But its hard to come up with examples, which is the whole point. Snoop is no more different then the majority of rappers in that they are unable to put out an album to even come close to their debut.


GZA had an album out before Liquid Swords

Easy Mo Bee produced it
Title: Re: Why do people act like doggystyle was snoops
Post by: Jaydc555 on June 27, 2009, 07:27:38 AM
They gave it to snoop because he was the artist they were pushing next.Whenever deathrow had an album coming out suge made everyone on the label get behind it and put their best work into it instead of saving it for their own album
Title: Re: Why do people act like doggystyle was snoops
Post by: Jimmy H. on June 27, 2009, 08:55:41 AM
They gave it to snoop because he was the artist they were pushing next.Whenever deathrow had an album coming out suge made everyone on the label get behind it and put their best work into it instead of saving it for their own album
And you think they just decided to push him next because they pulled his name out of a hat or he won a game of rock, paper, scissors in the studio? It seems an odd coincidence that Snoop not only got the first solo album after The Chronic but was also the focal point of a movie/soundtrack project after that.
Title: Re: Why do people act like doggystyle was snoops
Post by: OG Hack Wilson on June 27, 2009, 08:57:30 AM
LOL



also the murder trial didn't hurt his popularity ratings
Title: Re: Why do people act like doggystyle was snoops
Post by: 1810 on June 27, 2009, 09:02:10 AM
Here's what I don't get about snoop.The man is a star,a legend.He doesn't need to conform to whatever is popular to sell.His best music is always made with dre and dpg members.But what does he do?Whatever is popular.He's a sellout to his artistry.Its so frustrating seeing someone that could be so much better become an industry whore who will work with whoevers hot at the moment.Since he left death row he's become such a joke.People still buy his albums just off the strength of doggystyle.

fo real.
Title: Re: Why do people act like doggystyle was snoops
Post by: Will_B on June 27, 2009, 09:44:24 AM
Time Line:

Deep Cover (Dre's the star, launches Snoop) --> Chronic (Dre feat big Snoopy, a missive hit) ---> Doggystyle (Snoop feat DPG, a massive hit) --> Dogg Food (DPG get theirs too).

Any compalints? No. :)
Title: Re: Why do people act like doggystyle was snoops
Post by: MontrealCity's Most on June 27, 2009, 10:11:17 AM
I dont agree whatyou think ? Tupac dint have enouuuugh people behind hi for all eyez on me? and biggie  for ready to die get the fuck outta here.
Its funny sometimes when people( fans)  talk abuot the music like they realy know what goes on.

To create a  classci record or even a good ecord it takes a lot of different people to make it work not just one.
Title: Re: Why do people act like doggystyle was snoops
Post by: Triple OG Rapsodie on June 27, 2009, 10:55:36 AM
Gza out-did 36 chambers....some people think Raekwan did too

2pac out-did Me Against the World...and THEN out-did All Eyez

Quik's first 2 albums are classics to me but Safe N Sound was his best (3rd album)

and after long debate, i've decided that NWA's Niggaz4life is a better overall album than Str8 Outta Compton



For GZA and Raekwon, their debuts are Liquid Swords and Only Built 4 Cuban Linx (which are their best albums). 36 Chambers is a Wu Tang album and doesn't count as their individual debut, otherwise you might as well call The Chronic Snoop's debut.

Never really got into Quik myself. I think only his first album could even be considered a classic. The word classic means an album that is influential and has stood the test of time. His first album was the most well recieved by people in general (though you may have a different personal opinion)

Niggaz4life only was better in terms of production. You are the first person I have met who actually thinks its a better album, most people believe they weren't as good without Cube.

As I said in my first post, Pac is one of the only rappers I can think of who managed to put out a classic album and then outdo it. Mobb Deep have as well. But its hard to come up with examples, which is the whole point. Snoop is no more different then the majority of rappers in that they are unable to put out an album to even come close to their debut.


GZA had an album out before Liquid Swords

Easy Mo Bee produced it

yeah but it was whack to begin with and no one noticed it so it doesn't count
Title: Re: Why do people act like doggystyle was snoops
Post by: Triple OG Rapsodie on June 27, 2009, 10:58:51 AM
They gave it to snoop because he was the artist they were pushing next.Whenever deathrow had an album coming out suge made everyone on the label get behind it and put their best work into it instead of saving it for their own album

They gave it to Snoop because the industry was buzzing about him off his appearance on Deep Cover. Neither Kurupt, Daz, Lady of Rage or RBX ever had the same amount of buzz, though they were also pushed by Death Row. This alone should tell you that his talent had a great deal to do with his success.
Title: Re: Why do people act like doggystyle was snoops
Post by: D-Nice on June 27, 2009, 11:32:59 AM
Really other than DPG, coming after Doggystyle and then 2pac being signed shortly after and dropping his albums spelled no albums for everyone else. I have no doubt in my mind if Rage would have dropped shortly after Afro Puffs took off she would have been a household name.
Title: Re: Why do people act like doggystyle was snoops
Post by: Funkstradamus on June 27, 2009, 01:51:59 PM
if your not really battle cat you should probably shoot yourself in the face.
get the nuts biiiyatch...i dont talk ta hoes with dick on they breath...


I mean i like the mans beats as much as anyone but you cant just try and assume a niggas identity...thats corny.
who said im assuming the man's identity???!!!...cause i use his nickname as a screen name and put his picture in my avy/ sig...i thought thats what any fan posting on a message board does...i never once ever claimed or pretended to be the man...damn its a crime to be a fan now huh?
Title: Re: Why do people act like doggystyle was snoops
Post by: Jaydc555 on June 27, 2009, 01:54:31 PM
Its a slippery slope.First your just using his name on a forum next your buying things on his credit card.I know the real Jaydc555 is fucking choked right now
Title: Re: Why do people act like doggystyle was snoops
Post by: Okka on June 27, 2009, 02:31:56 PM
Doggfather has some really good stuff but is a bit flat overall, not really an enjoyable album to play all the way through. Wasn't that because it was made up of an odd selection of tracks like the ones of the LBC Crew album? A bit of a mish mash rather that a complete album project? Something his later albums suffered from (after Last Meal) up until Blue Carpet when he started getting back on point.

I heard "Head Doctor" (feat. Swoop G) and "Too Black" was supposed to be on it too.

it's SAD for snoop when his best post-death row album was DEAD MAN WALKING....a death row remix album LOL

Most of the tracks wasn't even remixed, just old leftovers and unreleased material.
Title: Re: Why do people act like doggystyle was snoops
Post by: Sir Petey on June 27, 2009, 08:35:32 PM
Its a slippery slope.First your just using his name on a forum next your buying things on his credit card.I know the real Jaydc555 is fucking choked right now


lmao

its just kind of corny.

soopafly couldnt even register with his intended screen name because soopaflydpg213 had it...no diss to soopaflydpgc213 as that is the homie.....but anyways you see where im going with this? lets say hypothetically he wanted to sign up and he ended up having to choose the name " the REAL bc powder" or some shit you would look like a total dick blower.
Title: Re: Why do people act like doggystyle was snoops
Post by: Funkstradamus on June 27, 2009, 10:16:52 PM
Its a slippery slope.First your just using his name on a forum next your buying things on his credit card.I know the real Jaydc555 is fucking choked right now


lmao

its just kind of corny.

soopafly couldnt even register with his intended screen name because soopaflydpg213 had it...no diss to soopaflydpgc213 as that is the homie.....but anyways you see where im going with this? lets say hypothetically he wanted to sign up and he ended up having to choose the name " the REAL bc powder" or some shit you would look like a total dick blower.
real talk homie...i could give less than a fuck about your opinion...and why we on the topic of total dick blowing, why the fuck you got mine all in yo mouth?  i mean really, you ain't got shit else better to do with yourself than log on to DUBCC and sweat me about my screen name...what are you the official DUBCC screen name police?  kick rocks bitch...you need to be worried about your own gay-ass screen name...KING PETEY....lmao!
Title: Re: Why do people act like doggystyle was snoops
Post by: jeromechickenbone on June 27, 2009, 10:27:02 PM
Snoop has been unlistenable since the last meal. He needs doc writing his rhymes dre telling him what to do etc. Dude is an entertainre that's it
Title: Re: Why do people act like doggystyle was snoops
Post by: Muhfukka on June 27, 2009, 10:56:41 PM
i think snoop could still make a good cd but i doubt he will
Title: Re: Why do people act like doggystyle was snoops
Post by: Will_B on June 28, 2009, 03:14:44 AM
Just listen the Snoops City Is In Good Hands mixtape, and you'll know he can still put out some great shit.
Title: Re: Why do people act like doggystyle was snoops
Post by: Allpaul on June 28, 2009, 10:22:08 AM
Snoop has been unlistenable since the last meal. He needs doc writing his rhymes dre telling him what to do etc. Dude is an entertainre that's it
Did DOC write on tha last meal?
Title: Re: Why do people act like doggystyle was snoops
Post by: .:Hercy Buggz:. on June 28, 2009, 10:32:35 AM
If Snoop Doesnt do something about his lyrics and subject.. his next album will flop and wont be that good!! bring good songs, good party tracks.. no more songs bout crippin and stuff. nobody outside dubcc wants to listen to that. dude is almost 40 and acting like he bangs and stuff, this will make him look like a fool if he keeps acting this way.. Snoopy holla at Hercy Buggz he got a good plan for ya!
Title: Re: Why do people act like doggystyle was snoops
Post by: Okka on June 28, 2009, 02:18:36 PM
If Snoop Doesnt do something about his lyrics and subject.. his next album will flop and wont be that good!! bring good songs, good party tracks.. no more songs bout crippin and stuff. nobody outside dubcc wants to listen to that. dude is almost 40 and acting like he bangs and stuff, this will make him look like a fool if he keeps acting this way.

"Tha Blue Carpet Treatment" was all about "Gangsta Shit" and it sold over million copies. How much did "Ego Trippin" sell? ::)
Title: Re: Why do people act like doggystyle was snoops
Post by: .:Hercy Buggz:. on June 28, 2009, 03:49:26 PM
If Snoop Doesnt do something about his lyrics and subject.. his next album will flop and wont be that good!! bring good songs, good party tracks.. no more songs bout crippin and stuff. nobody outside dubcc wants to listen to that. dude is almost 40 and acting like he bangs and stuff, this will make him look like a fool if he keeps acting this way.

"Tha Blue Carpet Treatment" was all about "Gangsta Shit" and it sold over million copies. How much did "Ego Trippin" sell? ::)

Blue Carpet had good promo thats why it sold so much... even dubcnn was part of the promotion, and ''Thats That Shit'' was a banger... and I dont know maybe its just me but im tired of the crip talk, the banging life when dude is living igood and not doing none of that, I was expecting the artist to grow, not spitting the same shit for 17 years
Title: Re: Why do people act like doggystyle was snoops
Post by: Jaydc555 on June 28, 2009, 04:28:35 PM
I agree that he needs to change his subject matter as its corny.But if he did people would complain the same way they did at jay for kingdome come.People fear change
Title: Re: Why do people act like doggystyle was snoops
Post by: Jimmy H. on June 28, 2009, 04:47:32 PM
I agree that he needs to change his subject matter as its corny.But if he did people would complain the same way they did at jay for kingdome come.People fear change
That's something I'll agree with you. If he does West Coast gangsta shit, people will say he needs to change and try something different musically. When he does "Ego Trippin", people say he needs to cut the bullshit and do this. Everyone is a fucking A&R these days.
Title: Re: Why do people act like doggystyle was snoops
Post by: Sir Petey on June 28, 2009, 04:55:13 PM
Its a slippery slope.First your just using his name on a forum next your buying things on his credit card.I know the real Jaydc555 is fucking choked right now


lmao

its just kind of corny.

soopafly couldnt even register with his intended screen name because soopaflydpg213 had it...no diss to soopaflydpgc213 as that is the homie.....but anyways you see where im going with this? lets say hypothetically he wanted to sign up and he ended up having to choose the name " the REAL bc powder" or some shit you would look like a total dick blower.
real talk homie...i could give less than a fuck about your opinion...and why we on the topic of total dick blowing, why the fuck you got mine all in yo mouth?  i mean really, you ain't got shit else better to do with yourself than log on to DUBCC and sweat me about my screen name...what are you the official DUBCC screen name police?  kick rocks bitch...you need to be worried about your own gay-ass screen name...KING PETEY....lmao!



okay im gay and all but every other post by you references me giving you oral sex...your not the sharpest tool in the shed are you homie?
Title: Re: Why do people act like doggystyle was snoops
Post by: Funkstradamus on June 28, 2009, 08:36:18 PM
Its a slippery slope.First your just using his name on a forum next your buying things on his credit card.I know the real Jaydc555 is fucking choked right now


lmao

its just kind of corny.

soopafly couldnt even register with his intended screen name because soopaflydpg213 had it...no diss to soopaflydpgc213 as that is the homie.....but anyways you see where im going with this? lets say hypothetically he wanted to sign up and he ended up having to choose the name " the REAL bc powder" or some shit you would look like a total dick blower.
real talk homie...i could give less than a fuck about your opinion...and why we on the topic of total dick blowing, why the fuck you got mine all in yo mouth?  i mean really, you ain't got shit else better to do with yourself than log on to DUBCC and sweat me about my screen name...what are you the official DUBCC screen name police?  kick rocks bitch...you need to be worried about your own gay-ass screen name...KING PETEY....lmao!



okay im gay and all but every other post by you references me giving you oral sex...your not the sharpest tool in the shed are you homie?
thats your problem...u take everything literally....you see "BC Powda" u disappointed and hurt and shit that i ain't the real Battlecat...i say "get the nuts" and you keep talking about and obviously dreaming about sucking my dick...miss me with that bullshit KING SWEETY...
Title: Re: Why do people act like doggystyle was snoops
Post by: Sir Petey on June 28, 2009, 10:18:23 PM
Aye fam, your shit falls under the yellow catagory.
(http://cybercrimeonline.com/crimes/identity%20theft/identity-theft-piechart.gif)
Title: Re: Why do people act like doggystyle was snoops
Post by: Funkstradamus on June 28, 2009, 11:05:01 PM
Aye fam, your shit falls under the yellow catagory.
(http://cybercrimeonline.com/crimes/identity%20theft/identity-theft-piechart.gif)
again reeeeeeeeeeeealy slooooooooooooow for "Special PETEY the' tard" here....never once have i even remotely preteFded to be Battlecat....EVER.  Its just a screen name and and avatar...sorry to disappoint you since its seems like i fucked up your plan to "Suck Dick For Beats" or some shit so now you all in your feelings about it...
Title: Re: Why do people act like doggystyle was snoops
Post by: Will_B on June 29, 2009, 03:26:03 AM
Snoop raps bout Crippin, not Bangin no more, livin good, growin up on tha streetz, lovin hoes, not lovin hoes, gettin blunted, being clean these days, his youth, being an OG, gettin his drink on and not touchin a drop no mo.

Haters will get they hate on regardless of what the dude spits. ::)
Title: Re: Why do people act like doggystyle was snoops
Post by: NewYork Pope on June 29, 2009, 07:11:33 AM
Doggystyle was more Snoop's than The Documentary & L.A.X. were Game's.
Title: Re: Why do people act like doggystyle was snoops
Post by: Jaydc555 on June 29, 2009, 07:12:46 AM
Lax was games worst album easily
Title: Re: Why do people act like doggystyle was snoops
Post by: kuruptlon on June 29, 2009, 07:37:04 AM
They gave it to snoop because he was the artist they were pushing next.Whenever deathrow had an album coming out suge made everyone on the label get behind it and put their best work into it instead of saving it for their own album


They gave the spot to Snoop because his album was the most anticipated album in the history of rap/hip hop music. No one has ever had a buzz like that without having an album people were just itching to hear a Snoop album after Nuthin But a G Thang and Deep Cover. The anticipation was unrivalled by anything or anyone to this day (in rap) and that was for Snoop. I don't know how old you are but if you had eyes and ears back 93 but everyone was looking and listening for Snoop.
Title: Re: Why do people act like doggystyle was snoops
Post by: Jaydc555 on June 29, 2009, 07:43:24 AM
50 cent had a buzz bigger then snoop before get rich or die tryin.
Title: Re: Why do people act like doggystyle was snoops
Post by: kuruptlon on June 29, 2009, 08:28:50 AM
50 cent had a buzz bigger then snoop before get rich or die tryin.

Yes 50 Cent had a huge buzz before get rich or die tryin, but to simply say it was bigger than Snoops before Doggystyle without providing any facts to support that argument makes the statement rather arbitrary.
Title: Re: Why do people act like doggystyle was snoops
Post by: Jaydc555 on June 29, 2009, 08:32:01 AM
Album sales.50 sold a massive amount of records.More then double what snoop did.
Title: Re: Why do people act like doggystyle was snoops
Post by: kuruptlon on June 29, 2009, 10:10:49 AM
Album sales.50 sold a massive amount of records.More then double what snoop did.

Well played. 50 did oust Snoop from holding the record for first week album sales.
Title: Re: Why do people act like doggystyle was snoops
Post by: Will_B on June 29, 2009, 02:11:06 PM
C'mon though 50's only done 3 good tracks, P.I.M.P. In Da Club + How We Do, and those are hookups wit Snoop and Dre :D

I'm not sayin' he's as bad as Game though - only one good track, How We Do. Again thanks to Dre/Scott Storch :P
Title: Re: Why do people act like doggystyle was snoops
Post by: Triple OG Rapsodie on June 29, 2009, 02:14:22 PM
C'mon though 50's only done 3 good tracks, P.I.M.P. In Da Club + How We Do, and those are hookups wit Snoop and Dre :D

I'm not sayin' he's as bad as Game though - only one good track, How We Do. Again thanks to Dre/Scott Storch :P

Fuck you right now if you think those are his best tracks
Title: Re: Why do people act like doggystyle was snoops
Post by: Allpaul on June 29, 2009, 10:27:37 PM
Album sales.50 sold a massive amount of records.More then double what snoop did.
When 50 came out, album sales were through the roof.. People were selling a million albums the first week, such as N'Sync and Eminem. That shit never happened back then.. I think AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted took 2 months to go platinum. It took Nirvana a year with Nevermind. It's hard to say these album didn't both have a big impact on mainstream culture.
 I don't think you can compare the 2...
Title: Re: Why do people act like doggystyle was snoops
Post by: Sir Petey on June 29, 2009, 10:30:34 PM
Aye fam, your shit falls under the yellow catagory.
(http://cybercrimeonline.com/crimes/identity%20theft/identity-theft-piechart.gif)
again reeeeeeeeeeeealy slooooooooooooow for "Special PETEY the' tard" here....never once have i even remotely preteFded to be Battlecat....EVER.  Its just a screen name and and avatar...sorry to disappoint you since its seems like i fucked up your plan to "Suck Dick For Beats" or some shit so now you all in your feelings about it...


another homoerotic post from "bc powda"
Title: Re: Why do people act like doggystyle was snoops
Post by: jessica777 on June 29, 2009, 10:35:18 PM
 8)   snoopy, ahhh   i like it