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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: Chamillitary Click on July 12, 2009, 08:39:08 PM
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i am hearing from sources that at Rock The Bells, Rae & Budden almost fought backstage.
then it was broken up, whatever was going down with them & Wu went on stage saying "FUCK JOE BUDDEN!"
Joey's Twitter says; "Now, it's on".....about 3 hours ago from Twittelator.
then recently said; "It looks like I'm just driving home.... I'm really writing"...about 17 minutes ago from Twittelator.
IT'S ON! 8)
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I was just bumping Budden's diss against Saigon. I'm ready to see Joe bring it to the Wu. This could be the creation of some of the best disses in recent rap history.
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Joey seemed pissed, by tomorrow or late tonight we should have something out.
i can't wait! 8)
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It'll be interesting to see how it breaks down and affects the inner dynamics of Slaughterhouse. It appears Royce has Budden's back as he's been the most vocal about supporting Budden but I wonder if Joell or Crooked would back him.
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Budden will get destroyed unless all the members of Slaughterhouse join in. And even then I'm going with the Wu.
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Joey seemed pissed, by tomorrow or late tonight we should have something out.
i can't wait! 8)
ofcourse u cant fucking fagget chamillionare dick sucking asshole
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Budden will get destroyed unless all the members of Slaughterhouse join in. And even then I'm going with the Wu.
If it goes down they'll be at least one decent diss from both sides.
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I dont mind slaughter house but really, why the fuck would u want to beef with arguably the best Rap group ever. Joe Budden needs to shut up n just worry about slaughterhouse. I think this could hurt Slaughterhouse more then help.
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Raekwon's twitter: http://twitter.com/RaekwonIcewater
All rumors are false bout me and that kid there was no fight or altercation, a nigga had to clear that up
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am i the only one that thinks budden's bullshit is hurting slaughterhouse? i would perfer that the other members of slaughterhouse remain neutral, but we cant really expect that....i just want these cats to put out the great album their capable of. not get involved in a beef that could realistically keep them from blowing up (lets be real, the wu has far more support in every sense)....i know you budden supporters are die hard loyal to the point of delusion, but bottom line, the other members of slaughterhouse need to sit dude down and tell him to quit running his mouth, its hurting the group....he talks reckless like he's 50, but without a fraction of the power or resources
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I hope Rae beat the shit outta that fuck boy
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Miss info: http://www.missinfo.tv/index.php/mythbusters-raekwon-and-joe-budden-did-not-fight-at-rock-the-bells/
You know I love righting wrongs : ) so I’m happy to report that, according to Rae’s brother DomP, no such altercation happened.
What did happen is that during Raekwon’s set, Inspectah Deck came out onstage to perform “Cream,” and a few other songs….(Rza even joined Rae and Deck’s performance)
…but before Inspectah Deck left, he did tell the crowd, “F–k Joe Budden.”
Looks like there's not going to be a huge beef. It'll probably stay contained between Inspectah Deck & Budden...
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am i the only one that thinks budden's bullshit is hurting slaughterhouse? i would perfer that the other members of slaughterhouse remain neutral, but we cant really expect that....i just want these cats to put out the great album their capable of. not get involved in a beef that could realistically keep them from blowing up (lets be real, the wu has far more support in every sense)....i know you budden supports are die hard loyal to the point of delusion, but bottom line, the other members of slaughterhouse need to sit dude down and tell him to quit running his mouth, its hurting the group....he talks reckless like 50 but without a fraction of the power or resources
defintely man, u go against the Wu, ur turning down a huge fan base.....and u know how emotional hip hop fans get over their favorite artists.......i think its bad for business for slaughterhouse, honestly......especially since both groups have fans with similar tastes
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Actually, Raekwon denied that anything happened.
RAEKWONICEWATER: All rumors are false bout me and that kid there was no fight or altercation, a nigga had to clear that up
http://twitter.com/raekwonicewater
And several concertgoers tweeted that it was Inspectah Deck that went onstage and yelled "Fuck Joe Budden". Not Wu-Tang. Miss Info from Hot97 also confirmed this as well.
So for now, it's looking like a Joe/Deck battle.
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am i the only one that thinks budden's bullshit is hurting slaughterhouse? i would perfer that the other members of slaughterhouse remain neutral, but we cant really expect that....i just want these cats to put out the great album their capable of. not get involved in a beef that could realistically keep them from blowing up (lets be real, the wu has far more support in every sense)....i know you budden supports are die hard loyal to the point of delusion, but bottom line, the other members of slaughterhouse need to sit dude down and tell him to quit running his mouth, its hurting the group....he talks reckless like 50 but without a fraction of the power or resources
Has Budden really talked incredibly reckless? The entire Method Man situation was blown out of proportion. His words concerning the Vibe ratings really got twisted up. If you actually listened to what he spoke on his aim wasn't to diss anybody.
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i wonder if Slaughterhouse backs Budden; i doubt it, but if they do, Wu is DONE!
they stand a better chance if it's just against Joey, but prepare for some sick shit.
Joey seemed pissed, by tomorrow or late tonight we should have something out.
i can't wait! 8)
ofcourse u cant fucking fagget chamillionare dick sucking asshole
wow, hop off the nuts! :-X
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i wonder if Slaughterhouse backs Budden; i doubt it, but if they do, Wu is DONE!
they stand a better chance if it's just against Joey, but prepare for some sick shit.
Joey seemed pissed, by tomorrow or late tonight we should have something out.
i can't wait! 8)
ofcourse u cant fucking fagget chamillionare dick sucking asshole
wow, hop off the nuts! :-X
wht nutsu fucking pussy
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i would like to see this for the lyrical battle. Especially if the rest of Slaughterhouse and the rest of Wu stepped in :o Nothing wrong with a bit of friendly lyrical competition, as long as it says on wax.
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Stupid move by Budden
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I like how people act like Wu tang is some power house.When was the last time a Wu project even went gold?rzas last album sold 3k the first week.Cappadonna didn't even make it on the top 200 niether did u god.That Wu tang chamber music didn't chart either.This isn't 1994 anymore people.Nobody cares about Wu tang these days.Even the last Wu tang album didn't go gold.
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And before I get your just a hater blah blah I'm bumping Wu tang 8 diagrams right now!ha ha.And I was one of the few people that actually bought the album
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I dont mind slaughter house but really, why the fuck would u want to beef with arguably the best Rap group ever. Joe Budden needs to shut up n just worry about slaughterhouse. I think this could hurt Slaughterhouse more then help.
Co Sign, beefing with the Wu will never help sales, way too many hardcore fans out there
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I like how people act like Wu tang is some power house.When was the last time a Wu project even went gold?rzas last album sold 3k the first week.Cappadonna didn't even make it on the top 200 niether did u god.That Wu tang chamber music didn't chart either.This isn't 1994 anymore people.Nobody cares about Wu tang these days.Even the last Wu tang album didn't go gold.
Ppl can't accept but since I was never a big Wu fan, that's real talk. Nowadays, Crooked would eat any of them up alive lyrically. Shit, Budden 2.
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I like how people act like Wu tang is some power house.When was the last time a Wu project even went gold?rzas last album sold 3k the first week.Cappadonna didn't even make it on the top 200 niether did u god.That Wu tang chamber music didn't chart either.This isn't 1994 anymore people.Nobody cares about Wu tang these days.Even the last Wu tang album didn't go gold.
And BUddens album did how much? Numbers don't mean shit, Wu have massess of fans in the literal sense of the term, they're fanatical
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Budden did 13 k first week on a indepenent with no video.If their so fanatical why don't they buy Wu tang albums anymore?
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And numbers mean something when people are saying do go against wus fan base!what fucking fan base?
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Fuck they shit up Joey!
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Budden did 13 k first week on a indepenent with no video.If their so fanatical why don't they buy Wu tang albums anymore?
Everyone Downloads :D
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True that ha ha.I just think people are blowing Wu tangs power way out of proportion.
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as much as people would like to see a slaughterhouse vs wutang beef, that shit will never happen
buddens will reply to deck and that shit will be deaded. wu-tang have alot of fans, but 99% of those fans won't give a fuck about a battle/beef/whatever with slaughterhouse cause they don't listen to hiphop only. if you goto a ghostface concert or whatever, you'll see alot of skateboarding clowns or even guys that listen to heavy metal (thats how it was here, anyway) or if you goto a red & meth you get alot of people that listen to dance music. none of these guys are gonna care about this, shit your average rap fan wont even care about this beef
you might get royce or meth adding a line or two in a song, but this wont be another gunit vs game or anything like that
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Sumbody needs to bring this fucking buddens down a peg or two. He dont really want it with wu like that.
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Sumbody needs to bring this fucking buddens down a peg or two. He dont really want it with wu like that.
i guess the only issue here is wutang dont really beef on wax. if you got enough of a problem with them to talk shit on a record, they will eventually catch up to you and sort that shit out. aslong as it's just a little friendly competition then I dont see it being a problem but if someone starts talking about meths wife again, then you can pretty much guarantee that it wont be staying on wax
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I like how people act like Wu tang is some power house.When was the last time a Wu project even went gold?rzas last album sold 3k the first week.Cappadonna didn't even make it on the top 200 niether did u god.That Wu tang chamber music didn't chart either.This isn't 1994 anymore people.Nobody cares about Wu tang these days.Even the last Wu tang album didn't go gold.
Ppl can't accept but since I was never a big Wu fan, that's real talk. Nowadays, Crooked would eat any of them up alive lyrically. Shit, Budden 2.
you might not be a fan, but listen to their music before making such a stupid statement
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I think crook can go bar for bar with any Wu member easily
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Sumbody needs to bring this fucking buddens down a peg or two. He dont really want it with wu like that.
i guess the only issue here is wutang dont really beef on wax. if you got enough of a problem with them to talk shit on a record, they will eventually catch up to you and sort that shit out. aslong as it's just a little friendly competition then I dont see it being a problem but if someone starts talking about meths wife again, then you can pretty much guarantee that it wont be staying on wax
I agree if it stays on wax then it woul;d be good for hip hop. Saying that buddens tends t get real pesonnal and wu tang just aint gunna go for that.
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If Budden tries to step to the Wu on a physical level he does know he'll get fucked up. Ask Mase and G Unit
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I don't see why it has to physical I just want some good back and forth diss tracks.Fuck violence,killing is some wack shit
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Man its on ? Joe buddens never been on , he been off since day 1 . Dude is mad corny .. real talk garbage rapper . Ghostface and rae and Gza and Rza are gonna squash him like a little bug !!!!!!! 8) 8)
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Biggie got at Wu and it never stopped him selling more than any other rap album ever, so I don't see why Budden would worry about his sales.
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Hes probably not worried about his sales because he doesnt have any.
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ofcourse u cant fucking fagget chamillionare dick sucking asshole
Bye.
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slaughterhouse vs wu tang clan, that would be the shizz
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Man its on ? Joe buddens never been on , he been off since day 1 . Dude is mad corny .. real talk garbage rapper . Ghostface and rae and Gza and Rza are gonna squash him like a little bug !!!!!!! 8) 8)
exactly. Motherfuckers taking sides already.
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I like how people act like Wu tang is some power house.When was the last time a Wu project even went gold?rzas last album sold 3k the first week.Cappadonna didn't even make it on the top 200 niether did u god.That Wu tang chamber music didn't chart either.This isn't 1994 anymore people.Nobody cares about Wu tang these days.Even the last Wu tang album didn't go gold.
Ppl can't accept but since I was never a big Wu fan, that's real talk. Nowadays, Crooked would eat any of them up alive lyrically. Shit, Budden 2.
you might not be a fan, but listen to their music before making such a stupid statement
I have. "Ironman" is a classic album imo. Crooked I can lyrically fuck with any of them.
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Biggie got at Wu and it never stopped him selling more than any other rap album ever, so I don't see why Budden would worry about his sales.
Biggie hardly went at the Wu, one line in kick in the door in retaliation to summit that was said on Rae's album plus biggie admitted he was a Wu fan and method man was the only guest on Ready to Die, plus didnt mase get k'od by Ghostface? and also on a side note did Ghost lob 50 cent down some stairs or is that some more internet BS
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LOL @ people acting like Wu Tang is all of a sudden inferior because of bad sales...who gives a fuck. No one sells shit these days and 2 of the guys in Slaughterhouse haven't even released a major album. I love Slaughterhouse but beefing with legends is always stupid.
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^The Wu (Deck) are the ones really igniting this though.
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I like how people act like Wu tang is some power house.When was the last time a Wu project even went gold?rzas last album sold 3k the first week.Cappadonna didn't even make it on the top 200 niether did u god.That Wu tang chamber music didn't chart either.This isn't 1994 anymore people.Nobody cares about Wu tang these days.Even the last Wu tang album didn't go gold.
Ppl can't accept but since I was never a big Wu fan, that's real talk. Nowadays, Crooked would eat any of them up alive lyrically. Shit, Budden 2.
you might not be a fan, but listen to their music before making such a stupid statement
I have. "Ironman" is a classic album imo. Crooked I can lyrically fuck with any of them.
So you heard an album released 13 years ago? doesn't make your statement less dumber. plus, Supreme Clientele is a better album
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I like how people act like Wu tang is some power house.When was the last time a Wu project even went gold?rzas last album sold 3k the first week.Cappadonna didn't even make it on the top 200 niether did u god.That Wu tang chamber music didn't chart either.This isn't 1994 anymore people.Nobody cares about Wu tang these days.Even the last Wu tang album didn't go gold.
Ppl can't accept but since I was never a big Wu fan, that's real talk. Nowadays, Crooked would eat any of them up alive lyrically. Shit, Budden 2.
you might not be a fan, but listen to their music before making such a stupid statement
I have. "Ironman" is a classic album imo. Crooked I can lyrically fuck with any of them.
So you heard an album released 13 years ago? doesn't make your statement less dumber. plus, Supreme Clientele is a better album
Exactly. 13 years ago when they were a lot better than they are today. Ghost is too busy making an R&B album and tracks with Ron Brownz ::) Now who looks dumb? No offense, you sound like a die hard Wu fan who can't see the truth.
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^The Wu (Deck) are the ones really igniting this though.
Yeah but this is all cause of Budden pmsing about that stupid ass Vibe list
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^The Wu (Deck) are the ones really igniting this though.
Yeah but this is all cause of Budden pmsing about that stupid ass Vibe list
But Wu didn't have to take it to this level. If Joe or Slaughterhouse responds with a diss track, it's not for publicity or exposure, it's more because the Wu is showing this a lot more attention than they should be. Saying "fuck joe budden" at a concert he is at, c'mon ::)
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I like how people act like Wu tang is some power house.When was the last time a Wu project even went gold?rzas last album sold 3k the first week.Cappadonna didn't even make it on the top 200 niether did u god.That Wu tang chamber music didn't chart either.This isn't 1994 anymore people.Nobody cares about Wu tang these days.Even the last Wu tang album didn't go gold.
Ppl can't accept but since I was never a big Wu fan, that's real talk. Nowadays, Crooked would eat any of them up alive lyrically. Shit, Budden 2.
you might not be a fan, but listen to their music before making such a stupid statement
I have. "Ironman" is a classic album imo. Crooked I can lyrically fuck with any of them.
So you heard an album released 13 years ago? doesn't make your statement less dumber. plus, Supreme Clientele is a better album
Exactly. 13 years ago when they were a lot better than they are today. Ghost is too busy making an R&B album and tracks with Ron Brownz ::) Now who looks dumb? No offense, you sound like a die hard Wu fan who can't see the truth.
yeah, cause Wu rappers has released nothing but shit the last years ::) Pro Tools, Big Dough Rehab, 4:21, BO2, Grandmasters, 8 Diagrams, ad Dopium just released, 7 great releases, showing they still got it. its okay you're not a big fan, but you should listen to their current work, before making a judgment. Yes, I'm a die-hard Wu fan, but that doesn't mean my opinion should be discarded.
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guys, stop overrating the Wu just because of shit they dropped so long ago! :o
i mean, c'mon; they got some bars left, but Joey is at the top of his game.
you can hate on him all you want, but deep down you know Joey (right now) is a better rapper then anybody in The Wu-Tang Clan.
i swear, everybody here lives in the past; it's not even funny lmao.
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I like how people act like Wu tang is some power house.When was the last time a Wu project even went gold?rzas last album sold 3k the first week.Cappadonna didn't even make it on the top 200 niether did u god.That Wu tang chamber music didn't chart either.This isn't 1994 anymore people.Nobody cares about Wu tang these days.Even the last Wu tang album didn't go gold.
Ppl can't accept but since I was never a big Wu fan, that's real talk. Nowadays, Crooked would eat any of them up alive lyrically. Shit, Budden 2.
you might not be a fan, but listen to their music before making such a stupid statement
I have. "Ironman" is a classic album imo. Crooked I can lyrically fuck with any of them.
So you heard an album released 13 years ago? doesn't make your statement less dumber. plus, Supreme Clientele is a better album
Exactly. 13 years ago when they were a lot better than they are today. Ghost is too busy making an R&B album and tracks with Ron Brownz ::) Now who looks dumb? No offense, you sound like a die hard Wu fan who can't see the truth.
yeah, cause Wu rappers has released nothing but shit the last years ::) Pro Tools, Big Dough Rehab, 4:21, BO2, Grandmasters, 8 Diagrams, ad Dopium just released, 7 great releases, showing they still got it. its okay you're not a big fan, but you should listen to their current work, before making a judgment. Yes, I'm a die-hard Wu fan, but that doesn't mean my opinion should be discarded.
Pro Tools was pretty hot. Wasn't a huge fan of Big Dough Rehab. 4:21 was good, much better than the last frisbee Meth released. 8 Diagrams, some of the Wu members don't even like it lol.
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I like how people act like Wu tang is some power house.When was the last time a Wu project even went gold?rzas last album sold 3k the first week.Cappadonna didn't even make it on the top 200 niether did u god.That Wu tang chamber music didn't chart either.This isn't 1994 anymore people.Nobody cares about Wu tang these days.Even the last Wu tang album didn't go gold.
Ppl can't accept but since I was never a big Wu fan, that's real talk. Nowadays, Crooked would eat any of them up alive lyrically. Shit, Budden 2.
you might not be a fan, but listen to their music before making such a stupid statement
I have. "Ironman" is a classic album imo. Crooked I can lyrically fuck with any of them.
So you heard an album released 13 years ago? doesn't make your statement less dumber. plus, Supreme Clientele is a better album
Exactly. 13 years ago when they were a lot better than they are today. Ghost is too busy making an R&B album and tracks with Ron Brownz ::) Now who looks dumb? No offense, you sound like a die hard Wu fan who can't see the truth.
yeah, cause Wu rappers has released nothing but shit the last years ::) Pro Tools, Big Dough Rehab, 4:21, BO2, Grandmasters, 8 Diagrams, ad Dopium just released, 7 great releases, showing they still got it. its okay you're not a big fan, but you should listen to their current work, before making a judgment. Yes, I'm a die-hard Wu fan, but that doesn't mean my opinion should be discarded.
Pro Tools was pretty hot. Wasn't a huge fan of Big Dough Rehab. 4:21 was good, much better than the last frisbee Meth released. 8 Diagrams, some of the Wu members don't even like it lol.
because of the production rza brought on it, lyrically its shit on most things out
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guys, stop overrating the Wu just because of shit they dropped so long ago! :o
i mean, c'mon; they got some bars left, but Joey is at the top of his game.
you can hate on him all you want, but deep down you know Joey (right now) is a better rapper then anybody in The Wu-Tang Clan.
i swear, everybody here lives in the past; it's not even funny lmao.
You're right I'm a huge Budden hater, you got me
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guys, stop overrating the Wu just because of shit they dropped so long ago! :o
i mean, c'mon; they got some bars left, but Joey is at the top of his game.
you can hate on him all you want, but deep down you know Joey (right now) is a better rapper then anybody in The Wu-Tang Clan.
i swear, everybody here lives in the past; it's not even funny lmao.
Do you even listen to Wu Tang?
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does anyone even remember Deck was on CREAM to begin with? lol that song got famous for Meth's hook
Rapsodie, I love wu tang as much as the next man (don't get me started on Liquid Swords), but their impact as a group on the rap game hasn't been shit since FOREVER dropped in 97 or 98
i mean for christ sakes just 2 years ago UGOD was being scheduled to preform in NORTHERN MAINE lol that ain't impressive....he ended up being a no-show and was replaced by Killah Priest which was amazing 8)
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guys, stop overrating the Wu just because of shit they dropped so long ago! :o
i mean, c'mon; they got some bars left, but Joey is at the top of his game.
you can hate on him all you want, but deep down you know Joey (right now) is a better rapper then anybody in The Wu-Tang Clan.
i swear, everybody here lives in the past; it's not even funny lmao.
Do DID you even listen to Wu Tang?
yeah, i did back in the day; i still check on the stuff they made a while ago today.
36 Chambers is an instant classic, one of my favorite albums ever; but that album was in '93, right?
then i would say, Wu Forever > The W > 8 Diagrams. never heard Iron Flag.
notice they progressively have gotten worse album by album? not saying they're bad albums by any means, 8 Diagrams was a solid album; but a solid album vs. Joey in his prime? c'mon now.
as far as solo albums go, i've heard; Liquid Swords (the best solo album, imo), Tical, Only Built 4 Cuban Linx, Judgement Day & Ironman.
but i think that's more than enough to form an opinon on this.
notice all those albums i named are concidered great to classic albums (no doubt); but also noticed they were released 10 or more years ago.
you think they still got that same game in them? PLEASE! :laugh:
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does anyone even remember Deck was on CREAM to begin with? lol that song got famous for Meth's hook
Rapsodie, I love wu tang as much as the next man (don't get me started on Liquid Swords), but their impact as a group on the rap game hasn't been shit since FOREVER dropped in 97 or 98
i mean for christ sakes just 2 years ago UGOD was being scheduled to preform in NORTHERN MAINE lol that ain't impressive....he ended up being a no-show and was replaced by Killah Priest which was amazing 8)
impact wise yes you're right. But just because they fell off the charts doesn't mean they fell off lyrically. Its mostly cause of the direction RZA is taking with production.
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guys, stop overrating the Wu just because of shit they dropped so long ago! :o
i mean, c'mon; they got some bars left, but Joey is at the top of his game.
you can hate on him all you want, but deep down you know Joey (right now) is a better rapper then anybody in The Wu-Tang Clan.
i swear, everybody here lives in the past; it's not even funny lmao.
Do DID you even listen to Wu Tang?
yeah, i did back in the day; i still check on the stuff they made a while ago today.
36 Chambers is an instant classic, one of my favorite albums ever; but that album was in '93, right?
then i would say, Wu Forever > The W > 8 Diagrams. never heard Iron Flag.
notice they progressively have gotten worse album by album? not saying they're bad albums by any means, 8 Diagrams was a solid album; but a solid album vs. Joey in his prime? c'mon now.
as far as solo albums go, i've heard; Liquid Swords (the best solo album, imo), Tical, Only Built 4 Cuban Linx, Judgement Day & Ironman.
but i think that's more than enough to form an opinon on this.
notice all those albums i named are concidered great to classic albums (no doubt); but also noticed they were released 10 or more years ago.
you think they still got that same game in them? PLEASE! :laugh:
the game to make another classic album? Probably not. But GZA would still destroy Budden lyrically either way. He's still a lyrical beast.
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I say fuck it let them go at it. I really do not judge how a rappers disses would be compared to how their last album was. Yeah Wu has declined a little bit but I would not be the least surprised if something like this would make for some dope music from the ones that decide to jump in.
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How the hell do you get worse lyrically with age? You don't. I'm pretty sure the Wu coud still bring it. Stop over rating Budden's arse.
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How the hell do you get worse lyrically with age? You don't. I'm pretty sure the Wu coud still bring it. Stop over rating Budden's arse.
tell em.
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How the hell do you get worse lyrically with age? You don't. I'm pretty sure the Wu coud still bring it. Stop over rating Budden's arse.
tell em.
I'm sure if RZA hadn't of been so selfish with the production on 8 Diagrams and got some production from Pete Rock, Havoc, Hi-Tek, erick Sermon and some more Mathematics, who I think is a very under rated producer etc, it would of been a much better album, because lyrically the Wu were on point. But some of the RZA's productions on that album were so boring it made a boring album. I feel they were more relevant up till 2002 because that Iron Flag album is the fucking nuts. But relevance means fuck all to me.
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How the hell do you get worse lyrically with age? You don't. I'm pretty sure the Wu coud still bring it. Stop over rating Budden's arse.
they don't have the same fire in the system they had 10 years ago.
but regardless, Joe Budden talked about how he made a diss track for INS, not Wu Tang.
why are people's names being thrown in this? apparently, it's just between INS & Joey.
Joey could make one of his worst diss tracks ever & it would be better than Deck's diss lmao.
people are throwing GZA's name in this like it's his beef, c'mon now.
Meth hasn't even spoken on this, i don't even think he wants any more to do with this, but yet people are acting like all of Wu-Tang are going to make a track against him; maybe they will, but right now to say that is just a total, complete guess.
their is no indication that all of them will go after Budden, so stop saying GZA's name (not you Invincible, just in general).
Biggie is better lyrically than Joe Budden too & Biggie & GZA are equally involved in this beef (as of now); they're not. :P
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How the hell do you get worse lyrically with age? You don't. I'm pretty sure the Wu coud still bring it. Stop over rating Budden's arse.
Don't know if that was directed at me but I never said anything about age.
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How the hell do you get worse lyrically with age? You don't. I'm pretty sure the Wu coud still bring it. Stop over rating Budden's arse.
Don't know if that was directed at me but I never said anything about age.
No not you. You're not sticking up for a particular side so it wasn't aimed at you.
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How the hell do you get worse lyrically with age?
Kurupt?
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guys, stop overrating the Wu just because of shit they dropped so long ago! :o
i mean, c'mon; they got some bars left, but Joey is at the top of his game.
you can hate on him all you want, but deep down you know Joey (right now) is a better rapper then anybody in The Wu-Tang Clan.
i swear, everybody here lives in the past; it's not even funny lmao.
Do DID you even listen to Wu Tang?
yeah, i did back in the day; i still check on the stuff they made a while ago today.
36 Chambers is an instant classic, one of my favorite albums ever; but that album was in '93, right?
then i would say, Wu Forever > The W > 8 Diagrams. never heard Iron Flag.
notice they progressively have gotten worse album by album? not saying they're bad albums by any means, 8 Diagrams was a solid album; but a solid album vs. Joey in his prime? c'mon now.
as far as solo albums go, i've heard; Liquid Swords (the best solo album, imo), Tical, Only Built 4 Cuban Linx, Judgement Day & Ironman.
but i think that's more than enough to form an opinon on this.
notice all those albums i named are concidered great to classic albums (no doubt); but also noticed they were released 10 or more years ago.
you think they still got that same game in them? PLEASE! :laugh:
liquid swords > 36 chambers
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How the hell do you get worse lyrically with age?
Kurupt?
+1 LMAO link got owned
also lets throw in Murda Mase and Killa Cam from the Children of the Corn....look how both ended up after they didnt have Big L and Bloodshed around :-X
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How the hell do you get worse lyrically with age? You don't. I'm pretty sure the Wu coud still bring it. Stop over rating Budden's arse.
Don't know if that was directed at me but I never said anything about age.
it was aimed at me, but i don't think it was in a bad way; i respected the question, but i did my best to explain my views on it.
guys, stop overrating the Wu just because of shit they dropped so long ago! :o
i mean, c'mon; they got some bars left, but Joey is at the top of his game.
you can hate on him all you want, but deep down you know Joey (right now) is a better rapper then anybody in The Wu-Tang Clan.
i swear, everybody here lives in the past; it's not even funny lmao.
Do DID you even listen to Wu Tang?
yeah, i did back in the day; i still check on the stuff they made a while ago today.
36 Chambers is an instant classic, one of my favorite albums ever; but that album was in '93, right?
then i would say, Wu Forever > The W > 8 Diagrams. never heard Iron Flag.
notice they progressively have gotten worse album by album? not saying they're bad albums by any means, 8 Diagrams was a solid album; but a solid album vs. Joey in his prime? c'mon now.
as far as solo albums go, i've heard; Liquid Swords (the best solo album, imo), Tical, Only Built 4 Cuban Linx, Judgement Day & Ironman.
but i think that's more than enough to form an opinon on this.
notice all those albums i named are concidered great to classic albums (no doubt); but also noticed they were released 10 or more years ago.
you think they still got that same game in them? PLEASE! :laugh:
liquid swords > 36 chambers
that could be people's general opinon; but for me 36 > LS, two classics; but 36 is one of those "rap foundation, impact classics" & i was just personally feelin' it more. 8)
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How the hell do you get worse lyrically with age?
Kurupt?
+1 LMAO link got owned
also lets throw in Murda Mase and Killa Cam from the Children of the Corn....look how both ended up after they didnt have Big L and Bloodshed around :-X
i was thinkin' Eminem too, 50 Cent, even Nas isn't putting out that Illmatic shit anymore.
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How the hell do you get worse lyrically with age? You don't. I'm pretty sure the Wu coud still bring it. Stop over rating Budden's arse.
Don't know if that was directed at me but I never said anything about age.
it was aimed at me, but i don't think it was in a bad way; i respected the question, but i did my best to explain my views on it.
Not just you, there are a few people in here saying the same thing.
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How the hell do you get worse lyrically with age?
Kurupt?
I agree with that but thats just 1 example. Hate all you want but I don't think he was that amazing lyrically anyway.
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How the hell do you get worse lyrically with age?
Kurupt?
+1 LMAO link got owned
also lets throw in Murda Mase and Killa Cam from the Children of the Corn....look how both ended up after they didnt have Big L and Bloodshed around :-X
i was thinkin' Eminem too, 50 Cent, even Nas isn't putting out that Illmatic shit anymore.
all 3 very good choices...Nas hasn't been quite the same since Stillmatic
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Joey could make one of his worst diss tracks ever & it would be better than Deck's diss lmao.
I don't know how you can say that as Deck hasn't released an album in 3 years so he hasn't really had any exposure. And another thing, I enjoyed that diss track alot ;D
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How the hell do you get worse lyrically with age? You don't. I'm pretty sure the Wu coud still bring it. Stop over rating Budden's arse.
they don't have the same fire in the system they had 10 years ago.
but regardless, Joe Budden talked about how he made a diss track for INS, not Wu Tang.
why are people's names being thrown in this? apparently, it's just between INS & Joey.
Joey could make one of his worst diss tracks ever & it would be better than Deck's diss lmao.
people are throwing GZA's name in this like it's his beef, c'mon now.
Meth hasn't even spoken on this, i don't even think he wants any more to do with this, but yet people are acting like all of Wu-Tang are going to make a track against him; maybe they will, but right now to say that is just a total, complete guess.
their is no indication that all of them will go after Budden, so stop saying GZA's name (not you Invincible, just in general).
Biggie is better lyrically than Joe Budden too & Biggie & GZA are equally involved in this beef (as of now); they're not. :P
I'll quote you again
guys, stop overrating the Wu just because of shit they dropped so long ago! :o
i mean, c'mon; they got some bars left, but Joey is at the top of his game.
you can hate on him all you want, but deep down you know Joey (right now) is a better rapper then anybody in The Wu-Tang Clan.
i swear, everybody here lives in the past; it's not even funny lmao.
You're the one who brought the clan into this so don't start crying now. If you had stuck to just INS I might've agreed with you.
Joey could make one of his worst diss tracks ever & it would be better than Deck's diss lmao.
now don't make statements you can't back up :nawty:
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How the hell do you get worse lyrically with age? You don't. I'm pretty sure the Wu coud still bring it. Stop over rating Budden's arse.
Don't know if that was directed at me but I never said anything about age.
No not you. You're not sticking up for a particular side so it wasn't aimed at you.
Oh ok, cool
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Budden>>>>Rap
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How the hell do you get worse lyrically with age?
Kurupt?
+1 LMAO link got owned
also lets throw in Murda Mase and Killa Cam from the Children of the Corn....look how both ended up after they didnt have Big L and Bloodshed around :-X
i was thinkin' Eminem too, 50 Cent, even Nas isn't putting out that Illmatic shit anymore.
all 3 very good choices...Nas hasn't been quite the same since Stillmatic
Jay-Z, i know you don't think as highly of him as some, but you have to admit back in the day he came better than he is today. :P
Joey could make one of his worst diss tracks ever & it would be better than Deck's diss lmao.
I don't know how you can say that as Deck hasn't released an album in 3 years so he hasn't really had any exposure. And another thing, I enjoyed that diss track alot ;D
it was decent, that's not even my Joe Budden fan-ism coming out; it just wasn't that great.
but that Jeopardy thing was fuckin' funny as hell! i just wish he had some songs i knew. :-X :P
How the hell do you get worse lyrically with age? You don't. I'm pretty sure the Wu coud still bring it. Stop over rating Budden's arse.
they don't have the same fire in the system they had 10 years ago.
but regardless, Joe Budden talked about how he made a diss track for INS, not Wu Tang.
why are people's names being thrown in this? apparently, it's just between INS & Joey.
Joey could make one of his worst diss tracks ever & it would be better than Deck's diss lmao.
people are throwing GZA's name in this like it's his beef, c'mon now.
Meth hasn't even spoken on this, i don't even think he wants any more to do with this, but yet people are acting like all of Wu-Tang are going to make a track against him; maybe they will, but right now to say that is just a total, complete guess.
their is no indication that all of them will go after Budden, so stop saying GZA's name (not you Invincible, just in general).
Biggie is better lyrically than Joe Budden too & Biggie & GZA are equally involved in this beef (as of now); they're not. :P
I'll quote you again
guys, stop overrating the Wu just because of shit they dropped so long ago! :o
i mean, c'mon; they got some bars left, but Joey is at the top of his game.
you can hate on him all you want, but deep down you know Joey (right now) is a better rapper then anybody in The Wu-Tang Clan.
i swear, everybody here lives in the past; it's not even funny lmao.
You're the one who brought the clan into this so don't start crying now. If you had stuck to just INS I might've agreed with you.
people were talking about all of Wu before that; it had me confused & just a few posts ago when i posted that you quoted first, it hit me that it's really just Joey vs. ISN.
Budden>>>>Rap
THANK YOU SPICE! 8) 8) 8)
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jay-z's shit got stale over time as well
lmao at someone calling blueprint a classic the other day :D
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jay-z's shit got stale over time as well
lmao at someone calling blueprint a classic the other day :D
lmfao at you being the only one not recognizing it as a classic
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jay-z's shit got stale over time as well
lmao at someone calling blueprint a classic the other day :D
lmfao at you being the only one not recognizing it as a classic
Na i've got to agree it is not classic, but its still a great album. A few filler on there for me.
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How the hell do you get worse lyrically with age? You don't. I'm pretty sure the Wu coud still bring it. Stop over rating Budden's arse.
tell em.
Everybody has thier own opinions, but theres too much fan boys in here. Half the people on this thread love Joe Buddens and think he's the best rapper alive, and the other half still think Wu-Tang is still dropping classics like it was the mid-late 90's. I guess I'm more of a nuetral opinion, cuz while I've never been the biggest Joe Budden fan, I used to be into Wu-Tang alot, but I'll be the first to admit that they've fallen off since thier peak many years ago.
I'm looking foward to hear what Slaughterhouse album sounds like, and I'm also waiting on the Cuban Links 2 album.
I see it like this.. Joe Budden is prob the most over-rated underground rapper. IMO he's the worst dude on Slaughterhouse. Every song I've heard from them, he's had either the worst verse or the 2nd worse verse. He's the one who started all this, by running his mouth.. Yeah, people may say it was taken outta context, but he still called out another rapper out by name. And Method man responded. Maybe he didn't quite understand what Joey was tryna say, but regardless, nobody can tell another man how he should respond when being called out in public. Now this thing maybe spiraling outta control.
I'm thinking when its all said and done there will be a few good disses on each side, theres already been one (I like the Inspectah Deck track). But nothing worthy enough be considered a classic. Because ultimately, this beef won't mean anything in hip hop history. Maybe it woulda worked out for Budden if Wu was still relevant, but overall only true fan bases are even checking for this.
People keep talking about how Wu fell off and how they haven't been relevent, bringing up sales and all that.. But Joe Budden has never been relevant. If Wu-Tang and most of their solo artists never sell another copy, or even release an album.. They can still make more money than Budden can the rest of his career. Wu-Tang has a crazy fan base.. Somebody said that if u go to a Wu show, u'll see a bunch of hip hop heads, u'll see rock/ heavy metal dudes, skaters whatever.. they can just go on tour and run thru their classics and sell out big shows.
Joe Buddens, has some clever lines and pretty good lyrics but He'll never be a big name in rap. From what I've seen, only people who are just into rap, especially underground rap can get into Joey. He's only had one hit that the average hip hop fan can identify. Pump it up, the same song which he gets clowned on today for. His fans probably hate that song, I'm sure he hates it too, kinda like Eminem hates, Hi My name is. I dunno, its something about his delivery or voice that makes me not interested, I've seen people who love his shit, post lyrics, and I'll read em.. And I'll be like oh shit, this is dope.. Then when I go listen to the actual song, It sounds pretty boring. Even if he had the best lyrics in the game, he hasn't learned how to make it great songs that will be considered classics. Cuz at the end of the day, he's in the music game.
I used to be one of those guys that were just all about lyrics.. but as I got older, I realized in music its just as important what u say, as how u say it. Does it give u certain emotion or feeling, does it make u move? dance, get mad, whatever. As I started listening to other genres of music, I realized how weak rap has gotten. Theres not enough flow and voice and emotion anymore. Alotta hip hop heads argue all day, who has the best lyrics.. They'll throw out names like Nas, Imortal Technique, Jay-z, Joe Budden, Talib ... etc.. The truth is, if ur just into lyrics theres plenty of Spoken Word Poets out there that will shit on any of these rappers.
So while Joe probably has better lyrics, he loses to Method Man, cuz Method Man got him on flow and voice. And 10 years from now, Method Man will still be remembered for his classic songs like The 1st Wu Album, All I need w/ Mary J. Blige and his feature on Biggies first album.. And Joe Budden will probably be underground rapper that never made it, like Canibus or AZ.
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Blueprint is FAR from classic imo
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Blueprint is FAR from classic imo
look up the word "classic" bro.
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Biggie got at Wu and it never stopped him selling more than any other rap album ever, so I don't see why Budden would worry about his sales.
LMAO BUDDEN AINT NO BIGGIE!!! COME ON, BE LOGICAL!!!
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How the hell do you get worse lyrically with age? You don't. I'm pretty sure the Wu coud still bring it. Stop over rating Budden's arse.
tell em.
Everybody has thier own opinions, but theres too much fan boys in here. Half the people on this thread love Joe Buddens and think he's the best rapper alive, and the other half still think Wu-Tang is still dropping classics like it was the mid-late 90's. I guess I'm more of a nuetral opinion, cuz while I've never been the biggest Joe Budden fan, I used to be into Wu-Tang alot, but I'll be the first to admit that they've fallen off since thier peak many years ago.
I'm looking foward to hear what Slaughterhouse album sounds like, and I'm also waiting on the Cuban Links 2 album.
I see it like this.. Joe Budden is prob the most over-rated underground rapper. IMO he's the worst dude on Slaughterhouse. Every song I've heard from them, he's had either the worst verse or the 2nd worse verse. He's the one who started all this, by running his mouth.. Yeah, people may say it was taken outta context, but he still called out another rapper out by name. And Method man responded. Maybe he didn't quite understand what Joey was tryna say, but regardless, nobody can tell another man how he should respond when being called out in public. Now this thing maybe spiraling outta control.
I'm thinking when its all said and done there will be a few good disses on each side, theres already been one (I like the Inspectah Deck track). But nothing worthy enough be considered a classic. Because ultimately, this beef won't mean anything in hip hop history. Maybe it woulda worked out for Budden if Wu was still relevant, but overall only true fan bases are even checking for this.
People keep talking about how Wu fell off and how they haven't been relevent, bringing up sales and all that.. But Joe Budden has never been relevant. If Wu-Tang and most of their solo artists never sell another copy, or even release an album.. They can still make more money than Budden can the rest of his career. Wu-Tang has a crazy fan base.. Somebody said that if u go to a Wu show, u'll see a bunch of hip hop heads, u'll see rock/ heavy metal dudes, skaters whatever.. they can just go on tour and run thru their classics and sell out big shows.
Joe Buddens, has some clever lines and pretty good lyrics but He'll never be a big name in rap. From what I've seen, only people who are just into rap, especially underground rap can get into Joey. He's only had one hit that the average hip hop fan can identify. Pump it up, the same song which he gets clowned on today for. His fans probably hate that song, I'm sure he hates it too, kinda like Eminem hates, Hi My name is. I dunno, its something about his delivery or voice that makes me not interested, I've seen people who love his shit, post lyrics, and I'll read em.. And I'll be like oh shit, this is dope.. Then when I go listen to the actual song, It sounds pretty boring. Even if he had the best lyrics in the game, he hasn't learned how to make it great songs that will be considered classics. Cuz at the end of the day, he's in the music game.
I used to be one of those guys that were just all about lyrics.. but as I got older, I realized in music its just as important what u say, as how u say it. Does it give u certain emotion or feeling, does it make u move? dance, get mad, whatever. As I started listening to other genres of music, I realized how weak rap has gotten. Theres not enough flow and voice and emotion anymore. Alotta hip hop heads argue all day, who has the best lyrics.. They'll throw out names like Nas, Imortal Technique, Jay-z, Joe Budden, Talib ... etc.. The truth is, if ur just into lyrics theres plenty of Spoken Word Poets out there that will shit on any of these rappers.
So while Joe probably has better lyrics, he loses to Method Man, cuz Method Man got him on flow and voice. And 10 years from now, Method Man will still be remembered for his classic songs like The 1st Wu Album, All I need w/ Mary J. Blige and his feature on Biggies first album.. And Joe Budden will probably be underground rapper that never made it, like Canibus or AZ.
HEY YOU PRETTY MUCH SUMMED IT UP FOR EVERYONE..........PROPS
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How the hell do you get worse lyrically with age? You don't. I'm pretty sure the Wu coud still bring it. Stop over rating Budden's arse.
tell em.
Everybody has thier own opinions, but theres too much fan boys in here. Half the people on this thread love Joe Buddens and think he's the best rapper alive, and the other half still think Wu-Tang is still dropping classics like it was the mid-late 90's. I guess I'm more of a nuetral opinion, cuz while I've never been the biggest Joe Budden fan, I used to be into Wu-Tang alot, but I'll be the first to admit that they've fallen off since thier peak many years ago.
I'm looking foward to hear what Slaughterhouse album sounds like, and I'm also waiting on the Cuban Links 2 album.
I see it like this.. Joe Budden is prob the most over-rated underground rapper. IMO he's the worst dude on Slaughterhouse. Every song I've heard from them, he's had either the worst verse or the 2nd worse verse. He's the one who started all this, by running his mouth.. Yeah, people may say it was taken outta context, but he still called out another rapper out by name. And Method man responded. Maybe he didn't quite understand what Joey was tryna say, but regardless, nobody can tell another man how he should respond when being called out in public. Now this thing maybe spiraling outta control.
I'm thinking when its all said and done there will be a few good disses on each side, theres already been one (I like the Inspectah Deck track). But nothing worthy enough be considered a classic. Because ultimately, this beef won't mean anything in hip hop history. Maybe it woulda worked out for Budden if Wu was still relevant, but overall only true fan bases are even checking for this.
People keep talking about how Wu fell off and how they haven't been relevent, bringing up sales and all that.. But Joe Budden has never been relevant. If Wu-Tang and most of their solo artists never sell another copy, or even release an album.. They can still make more money than Budden can the rest of his career. Wu-Tang has a crazy fan base.. Somebody said that if u go to a Wu show, u'll see a bunch of hip hop heads, u'll see rock/ heavy metal dudes, skaters whatever.. they can just go on tour and run thru their classics and sell out big shows.
Joe Buddens, has some clever lines and pretty good lyrics but He'll never be a big name in rap. From what I've seen, only people who are just into rap, especially underground rap can get into Joey. He's only had one hit that the average hip hop fan can identify. Pump it up, the same song which he gets clowned on today for. His fans probably hate that song, I'm sure he hates it too, kinda like Eminem hates, Hi My name is. I dunno, its something about his delivery or voice that makes me not interested, I've seen people who love his shit, post lyrics, and I'll read em.. And I'll be like oh shit, this is dope.. Then when I go listen to the actual song, It sounds pretty boring. Even if he had the best lyrics in the game, he hasn't learned how to make it great songs that will be considered classics. Cuz at the end of the day, he's in the music game.
I used to be one of those guys that were just all about lyrics.. but as I got older, I realized in music its just as important what u say, as how u say it. Does it give u certain emotion or feeling, does it make u move? dance, get mad, whatever. As I started listening to other genres of music, I realized how weak rap has gotten. Theres not enough flow and voice and emotion anymore. Alotta hip hop heads argue all day, who has the best lyrics.. They'll throw out names like Nas, Imortal Technique, Jay-z, Joe Budden, Talib ... etc.. The truth is, if ur just into lyrics theres plenty of Spoken Word Poets out there that will shit on any of these rappers.
So while Joe probably has better lyrics, he loses to Method Man, cuz Method Man got him on flow and voice. And 10 years from now, Method Man will still be remembered for his classic songs like The 1st Wu Album, All I need w/ Mary J. Blige and his feature on Biggies first album.. And Joe Budden will probably be underground rapper that never made it, like Canibus or AZ.
HEY YOU PRETTY MUCH SUMMED IT UP FOR EVERYONE..........PROPS
Yup +1, especially that last comparison about people will still know Meth, but Budden will be more of an AZ or Canibus
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How the hell do you get worse lyrically with age? You don't. I'm pretty sure the Wu coud still bring it. Stop over rating Budden's arse.
tell em.
Everybody has thier own opinions, but theres too much fan boys in here. Half the people on this thread love Joe Buddens and think he's the best rapper alive, and the other half still think Wu-Tang is still dropping classics like it was the mid-late 90's. I guess I'm more of a nuetral opinion, cuz while I've never been the biggest Joe Budden fan, I used to be into Wu-Tang alot, but I'll be the first to admit that they've fallen off since thier peak many years ago.
I'm looking foward to hear what Slaughterhouse album sounds like, and I'm also waiting on the Cuban Links 2 album.
I see it like this.. Joe Budden is prob the most over-rated underground rapper. IMO he's the worst dude on Slaughterhouse. Every song I've heard from them, he's had either the worst verse or the 2nd worse verse. He's the one who started all this, by running his mouth.. Yeah, people may say it was taken outta context, but he still called out another rapper out by name. And Method man responded. Maybe he didn't quite understand what Joey was tryna say, but regardless, nobody can tell another man how he should respond when being called out in public. Now this thing maybe spiraling outta control.
I'm thinking when its all said and done there will be a few good disses on each side, theres already been one (I like the Inspectah Deck track). But nothing worthy enough be considered a classic. Because ultimately, this beef won't mean anything in hip hop history. Maybe it woulda worked out for Budden if Wu was still relevant, but overall only true fan bases are even checking for this.
People keep talking about how Wu fell off and how they haven't been relevent, bringing up sales and all that.. But Joe Budden has never been relevant. If Wu-Tang and most of their solo artists never sell another copy, or even release an album.. They can still make more money than Budden can the rest of his career. Wu-Tang has a crazy fan base.. Somebody said that if u go to a Wu show, u'll see a bunch of hip hop heads, u'll see rock/ heavy metal dudes, skaters whatever.. they can just go on tour and run thru their classics and sell out big shows.
Joe Buddens, has some clever lines and pretty good lyrics but He'll never be a big name in rap. From what I've seen, only people who are just into rap, especially underground rap can get into Joey. He's only had one hit that the average hip hop fan can identify. Pump it up, the same song which he gets clowned on today for. His fans probably hate that song, I'm sure he hates it too, kinda like Eminem hates, Hi My name is. I dunno, its something about his delivery or voice that makes me not interested, I've seen people who love his shit, post lyrics, and I'll read em.. And I'll be like oh shit, this is dope.. Then when I go listen to the actual song, It sounds pretty boring. Even if he had the best lyrics in the game, he hasn't learned how to make it great songs that will be considered classics. Cuz at the end of the day, he's in the music game.
I used to be one of those guys that were just all about lyrics.. but as I got older, I realized in music its just as important what u say, as how u say it. Does it give u certain emotion or feeling, does it make u move? dance, get mad, whatever. As I started listening to other genres of music, I realized how weak rap has gotten. Theres not enough flow and voice and emotion anymore. Alotta hip hop heads argue all day, who has the best lyrics.. They'll throw out names like Nas, Imortal Technique, Jay-z, Joe Budden, Talib ... etc.. The truth is, if ur just into lyrics theres plenty of Spoken Word Poets out there that will shit on any of these rappers.
So while Joe probably has better lyrics, he loses to Method Man, cuz Method Man got him on flow and voice. And 10 years from now, Method Man will still be remembered for his classic songs like The 1st Wu Album, All I need w/ Mary J. Blige and his feature on Biggies first album.. And Joe Budden will probably be underground rapper that never made it, like Canibus or AZ.
HEY YOU PRETTY MUCH SUMMED IT UP FOR EVERYONE..........PROPS
Yup +1, especially that last comparison about people will still know Meth, but Budden will be more of an AZ or Canibus
I'd say not even that. We'll see though.
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How the hell do you get worse lyrically with age? You don't. I'm pretty sure the Wu coud still bring it. Stop over rating Budden's arse.
tell em.
Everybody has thier own opinions, but theres too much fan boys in here. Half the people on this thread love Joe Buddens and think he's the best rapper alive, and the other half still think Wu-Tang is still dropping classics like it was the mid-late 90's. I guess I'm more of a nuetral opinion, cuz while I've never been the biggest Joe Budden fan, I used to be into Wu-Tang alot, but I'll be the first to admit that they've fallen off since thier peak many years ago.
I'm looking foward to hear what Slaughterhouse album sounds like, and I'm also waiting on the Cuban Links 2 album.
I see it like this.. Joe Budden is prob the most over-rated underground rapper. IMO he's the worst dude on Slaughterhouse. Every song I've heard from them, he's had either the worst verse or the 2nd worse verse. He's the one who started all this, by running his mouth.. Yeah, people may say it was taken outta context, but he still called out another rapper out by name. And Method man responded. Maybe he didn't quite understand what Joey was tryna say, but regardless, nobody can tell another man how he should respond when being called out in public. Now this thing maybe spiraling outta control.
I'm thinking when its all said and done there will be a few good disses on each side, theres already been one (I like the Inspectah Deck track). But nothing worthy enough be considered a classic. Because ultimately, this beef won't mean anything in hip hop history. Maybe it woulda worked out for Budden if Wu was still relevant, but overall only true fan bases are even checking for this.
People keep talking about how Wu fell off and how they haven't been relevent, bringing up sales and all that.. But Joe Budden has never been relevant. If Wu-Tang and most of their solo artists never sell another copy, or even release an album.. They can still make more money than Budden can the rest of his career. Wu-Tang has a crazy fan base.. Somebody said that if u go to a Wu show, u'll see a bunch of hip hop heads, u'll see rock/ heavy metal dudes, skaters whatever.. they can just go on tour and run thru their classics and sell out big shows.
Joe Buddens, has some clever lines and pretty good lyrics but He'll never be a big name in rap. From what I've seen, only people who are just into rap, especially underground rap can get into Joey. He's only had one hit that the average hip hop fan can identify. Pump it up, the same song which he gets clowned on today for. His fans probably hate that song, I'm sure he hates it too, kinda like Eminem hates, Hi My name is. I dunno, its something about his delivery or voice that makes me not interested, I've seen people who love his shit, post lyrics, and I'll read em.. And I'll be like oh shit, this is dope.. Then when I go listen to the actual song, It sounds pretty boring. Even if he had the best lyrics in the game, he hasn't learned how to make it great songs that will be considered classics. Cuz at the end of the day, he's in the music game.
I used to be one of those guys that were just all about lyrics.. but as I got older, I realized in music its just as important what u say, as how u say it. Does it give u certain emotion or feeling, does it make u move? dance, get mad, whatever. As I started listening to other genres of music, I realized how weak rap has gotten. Theres not enough flow and voice and emotion anymore. Alotta hip hop heads argue all day, who has the best lyrics.. They'll throw out names like Nas, Imortal Technique, Jay-z, Joe Budden, Talib ... etc.. The truth is, if ur just into lyrics theres plenty of Spoken Word Poets out there that will shit on any of these rappers.
So while Joe probably has better lyrics, he loses to Method Man, cuz Method Man got him on flow and voice. And 10 years from now, Method Man will still be remembered for his classic songs like The 1st Wu Album, All I need w/ Mary J. Blige and his feature on Biggies first album.. And Joe Budden will probably be underground rapper that never made it, like Canibus or AZ.
sums up my opinion to a t. +1
post more.
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Shut the fuck up joey, you little bitch.
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How the hell do you get worse lyrically with age? You don't. I'm pretty sure the Wu coud still bring it. Stop over rating Budden's arse.
tell em.
Everybody has thier own opinions, but theres too much fan boys in here. Half the people on this thread love Joe Buddens and think he's the best rapper alive, and the other half still think Wu-Tang is still dropping classics like it was the mid-late 90's. I guess I'm more of a nuetral opinion, cuz while I've never been the biggest Joe Budden fan, I used to be into Wu-Tang alot, but I'll be the first to admit that they've fallen off since thier peak many years ago.
I'm looking foward to hear what Slaughterhouse album sounds like, and I'm also waiting on the Cuban Links 2 album.
I see it like this.. Joe Budden is prob the most over-rated underground rapper. IMO he's the worst dude on Slaughterhouse. Every song I've heard from them, he's had either the worst verse or the 2nd worse verse. He's the one who started all this, by running his mouth.. Yeah, people may say it was taken outta context, but he still called out another rapper out by name. And Method man responded. Maybe he didn't quite understand what Joey was tryna say, but regardless, nobody can tell another man how he should respond when being called out in public. Now this thing maybe spiraling outta control.
I'm thinking when its all said and done there will be a few good disses on each side, theres already been one (I like the Inspectah Deck track). But nothing worthy enough be considered a classic. Because ultimately, this beef won't mean anything in hip hop history. Maybe it woulda worked out for Budden if Wu was still relevant, but overall only true fan bases are even checking for this.
People keep talking about how Wu fell off and how they haven't been relevent, bringing up sales and all that.. But Joe Budden has never been relevant. If Wu-Tang and most of their solo artists never sell another copy, or even release an album.. They can still make more money than Budden can the rest of his career. Wu-Tang has a crazy fan base.. Somebody said that if u go to a Wu show, u'll see a bunch of hip hop heads, u'll see rock/ heavy metal dudes, skaters whatever.. they can just go on tour and run thru their classics and sell out big shows.
Joe Buddens, has some clever lines and pretty good lyrics but He'll never be a big name in rap. From what I've seen, only people who are just into rap, especially underground rap can get into Joey. He's only had one hit that the average hip hop fan can identify. Pump it up, the same song which he gets clowned on today for. His fans probably hate that song, I'm sure he hates it too, kinda like Eminem hates, Hi My name is. I dunno, its something about his delivery or voice that makes me not interested, I've seen people who love his shit, post lyrics, and I'll read em.. And I'll be like oh shit, this is dope.. Then when I go listen to the actual song, It sounds pretty boring. Even if he had the best lyrics in the game, he hasn't learned how to make it great songs that will be considered classics. Cuz at the end of the day, he's in the music game.
I used to be one of those guys that were just all about lyrics.. but as I got older, I realized in music its just as important what u say, as how u say it. Does it give u certain emotion or feeling, does it make u move? dance, get mad, whatever. As I started listening to other genres of music, I realized how weak rap has gotten. Theres not enough flow and voice and emotion anymore. Alotta hip hop heads argue all day, who has the best lyrics.. They'll throw out names like Nas, Imortal Technique, Jay-z, Joe Budden, Talib ... etc.. The truth is, if ur just into lyrics theres plenty of Spoken Word Poets out there that will shit on any of these rappers.
So while Joe probably has better lyrics, he loses to Method Man, cuz Method Man got him on flow and voice. And 10 years from now, Method Man will still be remembered for his classic songs like The 1st Wu Album, All I need w/ Mary J. Blige and his feature on Biggies first album.. And Joe Budden will probably be underground rapper that never made it, like Canibus or AZ.
much posting props,....even heads who disagree (shit, even i didnt agree wit everything posted) gotta respect the logic and rational in your post....well thought out and put, +1
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How the hell do you get worse lyrically with age? You don't. I'm pretty sure the Wu coud still bring it. Stop over rating Budden's arse.
tell em.
Everybody has thier own opinions, but theres too much fan boys in here. Half the people on this thread love Joe Buddens and think he's the best rapper alive, and the other half still think Wu-Tang is still dropping classics like it was the mid-late 90's. I guess I'm more of a nuetral opinion, cuz while I've never been the biggest Joe Budden fan, I used to be into Wu-Tang alot, but I'll be the first to admit that they've fallen off since thier peak many years ago.
I'm looking foward to hear what Slaughterhouse album sounds like, and I'm also waiting on the Cuban Links 2 album.
I see it like this.. Joe Budden is prob the most over-rated underground rapper. IMO he's the worst dude on Slaughterhouse. Every song I've heard from them, he's had either the worst verse or the 2nd worse verse. He's the one who started all this, by running his mouth.. Yeah, people may say it was taken outta context, but he still called out another rapper out by name. And Method man responded. Maybe he didn't quite understand what Joey was tryna say, but regardless, nobody can tell another man how he should respond when being called out in public. Now this thing maybe spiraling outta control.
I'm thinking when its all said and done there will be a few good disses on each side, theres already been one (I like the Inspectah Deck track). But nothing worthy enough be considered a classic. Because ultimately, this beef won't mean anything in hip hop history. Maybe it woulda worked out for Budden if Wu was still relevant, but overall only true fan bases are even checking for this.
People keep talking about how Wu fell off and how they haven't been relevent, bringing up sales and all that.. But Joe Budden has never been relevant. If Wu-Tang and most of their solo artists never sell another copy, or even release an album.. They can still make more money than Budden can the rest of his career. Wu-Tang has a crazy fan base.. Somebody said that if u go to a Wu show, u'll see a bunch of hip hop heads, u'll see rock/ heavy metal dudes, skaters whatever.. they can just go on tour and run thru their classics and sell out big shows.
Joe Buddens, has some clever lines and pretty good lyrics but He'll never be a big name in rap. From what I've seen, only people who are just into rap, especially underground rap can get into Joey. He's only had one hit that the average hip hop fan can identify. Pump it up, the same song which he gets clowned on today for. His fans probably hate that song, I'm sure he hates it too, kinda like Eminem hates, Hi My name is. I dunno, its something about his delivery or voice that makes me not interested, I've seen people who love his shit, post lyrics, and I'll read em.. And I'll be like oh shit, this is dope.. Then when I go listen to the actual song, It sounds pretty boring. Even if he had the best lyrics in the game, he hasn't learned how to make it great songs that will be considered classics. Cuz at the end of the day, he's in the music game.
I used to be one of those guys that were just all about lyrics.. but as I got older, I realized in music its just as important what u say, as how u say it. Does it give u certain emotion or feeling, does it make u move? dance, get mad, whatever. As I started listening to other genres of music, I realized how weak rap has gotten. Theres not enough flow and voice and emotion anymore. Alotta hip hop heads argue all day, who has the best lyrics.. They'll throw out names like Nas, Imortal Technique, Jay-z, Joe Budden, Talib ... etc.. The truth is, if ur just into lyrics theres plenty of Spoken Word Poets out there that will shit on any of these rappers.
So while Joe probably has better lyrics, he loses to Method Man, cuz Method Man got him on flow and voice. And 10 years from now, Method Man will still be remembered for his classic songs like The 1st Wu Album, All I need w/ Mary J. Blige and his feature on Biggies first album.. And Joe Budden will probably be underground rapper that never made it, like Canibus or AZ.
much posting props,....even heads who disagree (shit, even i didnt agree wit everything posted) gotta respect the logic and rational in your post....well thought out and put, +1
honestly, i respect your opinon in respecting his opinon & views, but i read about 2 sentences of what he said & realized it wasn't going anywhere.
he showed he is clearly anti-Joe Budden by saying he was "the most overrated" & "the worst in Slaughterhouse", say it's "his opinon", but no force on earth will convince me anything he has to say isn't biased to begin with.
but i continued to go on reading to make sure i wasn't missing something that you guys are propping him for & i realized, nope he didn't say anything that hasn't already been said lol.
although he did bring up the point "Joe Budden isn't relevant", which doesn't mean shit because Big L > 98% of any other rappers & i can gaurentee you that the "average" hip-hop fan couldn't tell me who he was; the name might ring bells, but they couldn't name you more than 5 songs.
so obviously your relativness doesn't reflect your skill in the slightest & same goes for sales; i don't know if he was commenting on my points, but i never said anything about "being relative", i said Wu hasn't been dropping classics for 10 years; but also like i said, it's not Wu, it's Deck.
he said Joe Budden gives no emotion into his music, easily the deepest rapper in hip hop & you're saying he has no emotion. :laugh:
then he wrapped it up by saying "he loses to Method Man" when Meth hasn't even been in the discussion for a good month; but let's bring him back & the only reason he thinks Meth is better is because he isn't a Joe Budden fan to being with!
so maybe i should start writing 500 word essays on my feelings towards things & you guys will just be like "real talk +1". :laugh:
i appreciate the fact Nuk23 took the time out to write that, but i can't just be like "you're right, because you took your time on it", if you guys actually read it, you would see that it's mostly biased, hating on Joe Budden, brings up points already examined & you guys are being fooled, although maybe you're not because most of you just shit on Joe Budden anyway. :P
finally, i do give you props because you didn't really show any "Pro-Wu-Tang" views, but you clearly showed a dislike for Budden & his music five or six times throughout.
*lets karma drop from die heart Wu fans, for having my own opinon* :D
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lmao at Joe Budden making too much money to beat somebody up! ahaha.. What money? The only thing he's got going right now is his lil internet videos and the only reason anybody watches that is cuz of his girl. BTW, I've never seen a dude so sprung on his own girl like that before. But anyways..
Joey didn't go looking for anybody, like somebody said, he's just trying to save face cuz the crowd was yelling fuck Joe Buddens at a concert he was at :laugh:
And if he does have a diss song, its definately a bad idea to rap over the Triumph beat, cuz thats the one where Deck went off.. So people are automatically gonna compare how they rocked the same beat, and if Joey doesn't kill it better than Deck, it'll be a loss
he said that in another thread, related to this.
& you're going to tell me, he is a non-biased, man in the middle? PLEASE! :laugh:
but to respond to this, Joey is still making money "Pump It Up". ;)
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How the hell do you get worse lyrically with age? You don't. I'm pretty sure the Wu coud still bring it. Stop over rating Budden's arse.
tell em.
Everybody has thier own opinions, but theres too much fan boys in here. Half the people on this thread love Joe Buddens and think he's the best rapper alive, and the other half still think Wu-Tang is still dropping classics like it was the mid-late 90's. I guess I'm more of a nuetral opinion, cuz while I've never been the biggest Joe Budden fan, I used to be into Wu-Tang alot, but I'll be the first to admit that they've fallen off since thier peak many years ago.
I'm looking foward to hear what Slaughterhouse album sounds like, and I'm also waiting on the Cuban Links 2 album.
I see it like this.. Joe Budden is prob the most over-rated underground rapper. IMO he's the worst dude on Slaughterhouse. Every song I've heard from them, he's had either the worst verse or the 2nd worse verse. He's the one who started all this, by running his mouth.. Yeah, people may say it was taken outta context, but he still called out another rapper out by name. And Method man responded. Maybe he didn't quite understand what Joey was tryna say, but regardless, nobody can tell another man how he should respond when being called out in public. Now this thing maybe spiraling outta control.
I'm thinking when its all said and done there will be a few good disses on each side, theres already been one (I like the Inspectah Deck track). But nothing worthy enough be considered a classic. Because ultimately, this beef won't mean anything in hip hop history. Maybe it woulda worked out for Budden if Wu was still relevant, but overall only true fan bases are even checking for this.
People keep talking about how Wu fell off and how they haven't been relevent, bringing up sales and all that.. But Joe Budden has never been relevant. If Wu-Tang and most of their solo artists never sell another copy, or even release an album.. They can still make more money than Budden can the rest of his career. Wu-Tang has a crazy fan base.. Somebody said that if u go to a Wu show, u'll see a bunch of hip hop heads, u'll see rock/ heavy metal dudes, skaters whatever.. they can just go on tour and run thru their classics and sell out big shows.
Joe Buddens, has some clever lines and pretty good lyrics but He'll never be a big name in rap. From what I've seen, only people who are just into rap, especially underground rap can get into Joey. He's only had one hit that the average hip hop fan can identify. Pump it up, the same song which he gets clowned on today for. His fans probably hate that song, I'm sure he hates it too, kinda like Eminem hates, Hi My name is. I dunno, its something about his delivery or voice that makes me not interested, I've seen people who love his shit, post lyrics, and I'll read em.. And I'll be like oh shit, this is dope.. Then when I go listen to the actual song, It sounds pretty boring. Even if he had the best lyrics in the game, he hasn't learned how to make it great songs that will be considered classics. Cuz at the end of the day, he's in the music game.
I used to be one of those guys that were just all about lyrics.. but as I got older, I realized in music its just as important what u say, as how u say it. Does it give u certain emotion or feeling, does it make u move? dance, get mad, whatever. As I started listening to other genres of music, I realized how weak rap has gotten. Theres not enough flow and voice and emotion anymore. Alotta hip hop heads argue all day, who has the best lyrics.. They'll throw out names like Nas, Imortal Technique, Jay-z, Joe Budden, Talib ... etc.. The truth is, if ur just into lyrics theres plenty of Spoken Word Poets out there that will shit on any of these rappers.
So while Joe probably has better lyrics, he loses to Method Man, cuz Method Man got him on flow and voice. And 10 years from now, Method Man will still be remembered for his classic songs like The 1st Wu Album, All I need w/ Mary J. Blige and his feature on Biggies first album.. And Joe Budden will probably be underground rapper that never made it, like Canibus or AZ.
much posting props,....even heads who disagree (shit, even i didnt agree wit everything posted) gotta respect the logic and rational in your post....well thought out and put, +1
honestly, i respect your opinon in respecting his opinon & views, but i read about 2 sentences of what he said & realized it wasn't going anywhere.
he showed he is clearly anti-Joe Budden by saying he was "the most overrated" & "the worst in Slaughterhouse", say it's "his opinon", but no force on earth will convince me anything he has to say isn't biased to begin with.
but i continued to go on reading to make sure i wasn't missing something that you guys are propping him for & i realized, nope he didn't say anything that hasn't already been said lol.
although he did bring up the point "Joe Budden isn't relevant", which doesn't mean shit because Big L > 98% of any other rappers & i can gaurentee you that the "average" hip-hop fan couldn't tell me who he was; the name might ring bells, but they couldn't name you more than 5 songs.
so obviously your relativness doesn't reflect your skill in the slightest & same goes for sales; i don't know if he was commenting on my points, but i never said anything about "being relative", i said Wu hasn't been dropping classics for 10 years; but also like i said, it's not Wu, it's Deck.
he said Joe Budden gives no emotion into his music, easily the deepest rapper in hip hop & you're saying he has no emotion. :laugh:
then he wrapped it up by saying "he loses to Method Man" when Meth hasn't even been in the discussion for a good month; but let's bring him back & the only reason he thinks Meth is better is because he isn't a Joe Budden fan to being with!
so maybe i should start writing 500 word essays on my feelings towards things & you guys will just be like "real talk +1". :laugh:
i appreciate the fact Nuk23 took the time out to write that, but i can't just be like "you're right, because you took your time on it", if you guys actually read it, you would see that it's mostly biased, hating on Joe Budden, brings up points already examined & you guys are being fooled, although maybe you're not because most of you just shit on Joe Budden anyway. :P
finally, i do give you props because you didn't really show any "Pro-Wu-Tang" views, but you clearly showed a dislike for Budden & his music five or six times throughout.
*lets karma drop from die heart Wu fans, for having my own opinon* :D
so you discard his entire post, simply because he said Joe Budden is the worst rapper in SH? you are taking dickriding to a new level ::)
He didn't once hate on Joe Budden, just brings up some valid points, but your fanboy-ism makes it impossible for you to see
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How the hell do you get worse lyrically with age? You don't. I'm pretty sure the Wu coud still bring it. Stop over rating Budden's arse.
tell em.
Everybody has thier own opinions, but theres too much fan boys in here. Half the people on this thread love Joe Buddens and think he's the best rapper alive, and the other half still think Wu-Tang is still dropping classics like it was the mid-late 90's. I guess I'm more of a nuetral opinion, cuz while I've never been the biggest Joe Budden fan, I used to be into Wu-Tang alot, but I'll be the first to admit that they've fallen off since thier peak many years ago.
I'm looking foward to hear what Slaughterhouse album sounds like, and I'm also waiting on the Cuban Links 2 album.
I see it like this.. Joe Budden is prob the most over-rated underground rapper. IMO he's the worst dude on Slaughterhouse. Every song I've heard from them, he's had either the worst verse or the 2nd worse verse. He's the one who started all this, by running his mouth.. Yeah, people may say it was taken outta context, but he still called out another rapper out by name. And Method man responded. Maybe he didn't quite understand what Joey was tryna say, but regardless, nobody can tell another man how he should respond when being called out in public. Now this thing maybe spiraling outta control.
I'm thinking when its all said and done there will be a few good disses on each side, theres already been one (I like the Inspectah Deck track). But nothing worthy enough be considered a classic. Because ultimately, this beef won't mean anything in hip hop history. Maybe it woulda worked out for Budden if Wu was still relevant, but overall only true fan bases are even checking for this.
People keep talking about how Wu fell off and how they haven't been relevent, bringing up sales and all that.. But Joe Budden has never been relevant. If Wu-Tang and most of their solo artists never sell another copy, or even release an album.. They can still make more money than Budden can the rest of his career. Wu-Tang has a crazy fan base.. Somebody said that if u go to a Wu show, u'll see a bunch of hip hop heads, u'll see rock/ heavy metal dudes, skaters whatever.. they can just go on tour and run thru their classics and sell out big shows.
Joe Buddens, has some clever lines and pretty good lyrics but He'll never be a big name in rap. From what I've seen, only people who are just into rap, especially underground rap can get into Joey. He's only had one hit that the average hip hop fan can identify. Pump it up, the same song which he gets clowned on today for. His fans probably hate that song, I'm sure he hates it too, kinda like Eminem hates, Hi My name is. I dunno, its something about his delivery or voice that makes me not interested, I've seen people who love his shit, post lyrics, and I'll read em.. And I'll be like oh shit, this is dope.. Then when I go listen to the actual song, It sounds pretty boring. Even if he had the best lyrics in the game, he hasn't learned how to make it great songs that will be considered classics. Cuz at the end of the day, he's in the music game.
I used to be one of those guys that were just all about lyrics.. but as I got older, I realized in music its just as important what u say, as how u say it. Does it give u certain emotion or feeling, does it make u move? dance, get mad, whatever. As I started listening to other genres of music, I realized how weak rap has gotten. Theres not enough flow and voice and emotion anymore. Alotta hip hop heads argue all day, who has the best lyrics.. They'll throw out names like Nas, Imortal Technique, Jay-z, Joe Budden, Talib ... etc.. The truth is, if ur just into lyrics theres plenty of Spoken Word Poets out there that will shit on any of these rappers.
So while Joe probably has better lyrics, he loses to Method Man, cuz Method Man got him on flow and voice. And 10 years from now, Method Man will still be remembered for his classic songs like The 1st Wu Album, All I need w/ Mary J. Blige and his feature on Biggies first album.. And Joe Budden will probably be underground rapper that never made it, like Canibus or AZ.
much posting props,....even heads who disagree (shit, even i didnt agree wit everything posted) gotta respect the logic and rational in your post....well thought out and put, +1
honestly, i respect your opinon in respecting his opinon & views, but i read about 2 sentences of what he said & realized it wasn't going anywhere.
he showed he is clearly anti-Joe Budden by saying he was "the most overrated" & "the worst in Slaughterhouse", say it's "his opinon", but no force on earth will convince me anything he has to say isn't biased to begin with.
but i continued to go on reading to make sure i wasn't missing something that you guys are propping him for & i realized, nope he didn't say anything that hasn't already been said lol.
although he did bring up the point "Joe Budden isn't relevant", which doesn't mean shit because Big L > 98% of any other rappers & i can gaurentee you that the "average" hip-hop fan couldn't tell me who he was; the name might ring bells, but they couldn't name you more than 5 songs.
so obviously your relativness doesn't reflect your skill in the slightest & same goes for sales; i don't know if he was commenting on my points, but i never said anything about "being relative", i said Wu hasn't been dropping classics for 10 years; but also like i said, it's not Wu, it's Deck.
he said Joe Budden gives no emotion into his music, easily the deepest rapper in hip hop & you're saying he has no emotion. :laugh:
then he wrapped it up by saying "he loses to Method Man" when Meth hasn't even been in the discussion for a good month; but let's bring him back & the only reason he thinks Meth is better is because he isn't a Joe Budden fan to being with!
so maybe i should start writing 500 word essays on my feelings towards things & you guys will just be like "real talk +1". :laugh:
i appreciate the fact Nuk23 took the time out to write that, but i can't just be like "you're right, because you took your time on it", if you guys actually read it, you would see that it's mostly biased, hating on Joe Budden, brings up points already examined & you guys are being fooled, although maybe you're not because most of you just shit on Joe Budden anyway. :P
finally, i do give you props because you didn't really show any "Pro-Wu-Tang" views, but you clearly showed a dislike for Budden & his music five or six times throughout.
*lets karma drop from die heart Wu fans, for having my own opinon* :D
Ur funny dude,
No need to get all upset! All I was doing was stating my opinion. And when other people started to agree w/ me, seems like u took it personal.
Like I said, this whole thing is more about Die Hard Joe Budden Fan Boys versus Die Hard Wu-Tang Fan Boys. And I'm not either of those.
Its obvious ur a die hard Joe Budden fan, and thats cool. Just know that other people don't have to feel the same way u do..
U say I'm anti-Joe Budden? Huh? Where did u get that? I never said he was wack, I just stated that, to me he's over-rated and prob the worst rapper in SlaughterHouse. How does that make me biased? SlaughterHouse has 4 dope MC's.. Somebody has to be the worst. And to me, Joey is the worst outta those 4. Just my opionion dude. Wu-Tang has 9 MC's and I think they all fell off to some degree, but some of them weren't that great to begin with. Even if they were all great, one of them is gonna be the worst. Bottom line is everybody has thier own favorite MC's.
I think Joe Budden is a good lyricsist, but I've just never been a big fan of his. Something, about his delivery or voice that doesn't hit me. Me personally, I think he'd be a great ghost-writer. I'm not feeling any Wu-Tang shit thats been put out for a long time. So that doesn't make me anti- Budden.
So don't say wild statements like "easily the deepest rapper in hip hop & you're saying he has no emotion." and laughing like thats a proven fact.. Thats ur opinion dude! I can respect that, but ur acting like THATS THE BE ALL END ALL..
To me, Andre3000 is the deepest rapper in hip hop.. but I understand that most people don't get his shit, or are just not interested. That doesn't make u Anti-Andre3000.
Then u try to say a point about how I brought up losing to Meth, when he hasn't been in it for a month.. What does that matter? If u didn't understand what I said, I'll try to clear it up for you. I said in 10 years Meth will still be remembered for the classic records he's made. While most likely Joe Budden will be one of the many forgoten names. Thats it! It doesn't matter if Meth hasn't been in it for a month or not. I was just putting this in its place in hip hop history. I'm sure this means something to all the Die Hard Budden fans, but it really don't mean shit to the Wu fans. And once again, I wouldn't classify myself as either of those.
I mean, Joe beefed w/ Game and Jay-Z and probably a bunch of other people, but nothing memorable has come out. IMO, this is a just another beef that won't mean anything later.
But ur getting all butt hurt, cuz everyones not on Joe Budden's nuts.. Talking about maybe if u write 500 word essays people would give u props.. and ur all quoting me from other threads n shit.. tryna prove that I'm biased! hahaha. :laugh: :laugh:
How does that prove I'm biased? I just thought that statement of him making too much money was funny.. I just don't see him as having that much money, especially since I've seen his lil video blogs, in the little rooms he stays, and eating at burgerking n shit.. I mean I'm not ballin, but even I don't eat at burgerking! hahahaha. But anyway, apparently he wants the world to beleive he has waay too much money. So I thought that was a funny excuse not to fight somebody. And I merely said it was a bad idea to rock over the triumph beat, because Deck came out soo hard on that particular beat.. Probably Deck's best verse ever. Now if Joey, comes harder that Deck on the same beat, then I'd be the first person to give him props.. But somehow, I'm anti-Joe Buddens, cuz I'm not believing everything he says.
But anyways good research buddy.. keep up the good work!
I'll give u a prop for that +1
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this shit is wack.
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I agree with what is being said on Budden, I like his lyrics but I just can't stand his delivery.. it's boring to me. I've only heard a handful of songs from him though, maybe one day I'll feel like listening to his albums
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Biggie got at Wu and it never stopped him selling more than any other rap album ever, so I don't see why Budden would worry about his sales.
Biggie hardly went at the Wu, one line in kick in the door in retaliation to summit that was said on Rae's album plus biggie admitted he was a Wu fan and method man was the only guest on Ready to Die, plus didnt mase get k'od by Ghostface? and also on a side note did Ghost lob 50 cent down some stairs or is that some more internet BS
More than one line, most of Kick in the Door was aimed at a couple of them. But yeah, obviously Biggie was a Wu Tang fan, so is Joey, so this situation isn't too different. Point I was making is that even "hardcore fans" wont boycott someone getting at Wu as long as they are dope themselves. I can't see anyone who was going to now not buying the Slaughterhouse album just because of this anyway.
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Biggie got at Wu and it never stopped him selling more than any other rap album ever, so I don't see why Budden would worry about his sales.
Biggie hardly went at the Wu, one line in kick in the door in retaliation to summit that was said on Rae's album plus biggie admitted he was a Wu fan and method man was the only guest on Ready to Die, plus didnt mase get k'od by Ghostface? and also on a side note did Ghost lob 50 cent down some stairs or is that some more internet BS
More than one line, most of Kick in the Door was aimed at a couple of them.
it was at Nas and Jeru too
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It'll be interesting to see how it breaks down and affects the inner dynamics of Slaughterhouse. It appears Royce has Budden's back as he's been the most vocal about supporting Budden but I wonder if Joell or Crooked would back him.
crook & the chef have been doing tracks together, i don't think crook will jump in. expect a few diss tracks between joe and deck and maybe some other wu members and then they will squash the beef and start makin tracks together
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The only Wu members that will get involved(if they even bother) will be the ones nobody gives a shit about.Which in 2009 is all of them ha ha.
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How the hell do you get worse lyrically with age? You don't. I'm pretty sure the Wu coud still bring it. Stop over rating Budden's arse.
tell em.
Everybody has thier own opinions, but theres too much fan boys in here. Half the people on this thread love Joe Buddens and think he's the best rapper alive, and the other half still think Wu-Tang is still dropping classics like it was the mid-late 90's. I guess I'm more of a nuetral opinion, cuz while I've never been the biggest Joe Budden fan, I used to be into Wu-Tang alot, but I'll be the first to admit that they've fallen off since thier peak many years ago.
I'm looking foward to hear what Slaughterhouse album sounds like, and I'm also waiting on the Cuban Links 2 album.
I see it like this.. Joe Budden is prob the most over-rated underground rapper. IMO he's the worst dude on Slaughterhouse. Every song I've heard from them, he's had either the worst verse or the 2nd worse verse. He's the one who started all this, by running his mouth.. Yeah, people may say it was taken outta context, but he still called out another rapper out by name. And Method man responded. Maybe he didn't quite understand what Joey was tryna say, but regardless, nobody can tell another man how he should respond when being called out in public. Now this thing maybe spiraling outta control.
I'm thinking when its all said and done there will be a few good disses on each side, theres already been one (I like the Inspectah Deck track). But nothing worthy enough be considered a classic. Because ultimately, this beef won't mean anything in hip hop history. Maybe it woulda worked out for Budden if Wu was still relevant, but overall only true fan bases are even checking for this.
People keep talking about how Wu fell off and how they haven't been relevent, bringing up sales and all that.. But Joe Budden has never been relevant. If Wu-Tang and most of their solo artists never sell another copy, or even release an album.. They can still make more money than Budden can the rest of his career. Wu-Tang has a crazy fan base.. Somebody said that if u go to a Wu show, u'll see a bunch of hip hop heads, u'll see rock/ heavy metal dudes, skaters whatever.. they can just go on tour and run thru their classics and sell out big shows.
Joe Buddens, has some clever lines and pretty good lyrics but He'll never be a big name in rap. From what I've seen, only people who are just into rap, especially underground rap can get into Joey. He's only had one hit that the average hip hop fan can identify. Pump it up, the same song which he gets clowned on today for. His fans probably hate that song, I'm sure he hates it too, kinda like Eminem hates, Hi My name is. I dunno, its something about his delivery or voice that makes me not interested, I've seen people who love his shit, post lyrics, and I'll read em.. And I'll be like oh shit, this is dope.. Then when I go listen to the actual song, It sounds pretty boring. Even if he had the best lyrics in the game, he hasn't learned how to make it great songs that will be considered classics. Cuz at the end of the day, he's in the music game.
I used to be one of those guys that were just all about lyrics.. but as I got older, I realized in music its just as important what u say, as how u say it. Does it give u certain emotion or feeling, does it make u move? dance, get mad, whatever. As I started listening to other genres of music, I realized how weak rap has gotten. Theres not enough flow and voice and emotion anymore. Alotta hip hop heads argue all day, who has the best lyrics.. They'll throw out names like Nas, Imortal Technique, Jay-z, Joe Budden, Talib ... etc.. The truth is, if ur just into lyrics theres plenty of Spoken Word Poets out there that will shit on any of these rappers.
So while Joe probably has better lyrics, he loses to Method Man, cuz Method Man got him on flow and voice. And 10 years from now, Method Man will still be remembered for his classic songs like The 1st Wu Album, All I need w/ Mary J. Blige and his feature on Biggies first album.. And Joe Budden will probably be underground rapper that never made it, like Canibus or AZ.
much posting props,....even heads who disagree (shit, even i didnt agree wit everything posted) gotta respect the logic and rational in your post....well thought out and put, +1
honestly, i respect your opinon in respecting his opinon & views, but i read about 2 sentences of what he said & realized it wasn't going anywhere.
he showed he is clearly anti-Joe Budden by saying he was "the most overrated" & "the worst in Slaughterhouse", say it's "his opinon", but no force on earth will convince me anything he has to say isn't biased to begin with.
but i continued to go on reading to make sure i wasn't missing something that you guys are propping him for & i realized, nope he didn't say anything that hasn't already been said lol.
although he did bring up the point "Joe Budden isn't relevant", which doesn't mean shit because Big L > 98% of any other rappers & i can gaurentee you that the "average" hip-hop fan couldn't tell me who he was; the name might ring bells, but they couldn't name you more than 5 songs.
so obviously your relativness doesn't reflect your skill in the slightest & same goes for sales; i don't know if he was commenting on my points, but i never said anything about "being relative", i said Wu hasn't been dropping classics for 10 years; but also like i said, it's not Wu, it's Deck.
he said Joe Budden gives no emotion into his music, easily the deepest rapper in hip hop & you're saying he has no emotion. :laugh:
then he wrapped it up by saying "he loses to Method Man" when Meth hasn't even been in the discussion for a good month; but let's bring him back & the only reason he thinks Meth is better is because he isn't a Joe Budden fan to being with!
so maybe i should start writing 500 word essays on my feelings towards things & you guys will just be like "real talk +1". :laugh:
i appreciate the fact Nuk23 took the time out to write that, but i can't just be like "you're right, because you took your time on it", if you guys actually read it, you would see that it's mostly biased, hating on Joe Budden, brings up points already examined & you guys are being fooled, although maybe you're not because most of you just shit on Joe Budden anyway. :P
finally, i do give you props because you didn't really show any "Pro-Wu-Tang" views, but you clearly showed a dislike for Budden & his music five or six times throughout.
*lets karma drop from die heart Wu fans, for having my own opinon* :D
so you discard his entire post, simply because he said Joe Budden is the worst rapper in SH? you are taking dickriding to a new level ::)
He didn't once hate on Joe Budden, just brings up some valid points, but your fanboy-ism makes it impossible for you to see
LOL, you clearly didn't read my post either, he said time & time again; "Joe Budden has no flow, no emotion", "Joe Budden is the worst rapper in Slaughterhouse", "Joe Budden is overrated"; you must be truly mentally retarded to not see the bias in that & i didn't discard his whole post, i commented on each part of what he said.
but the bias against Joe Budden is clear, you must be blind not to see it lol.
Then u try to say a point about how I brought up losing to Meth, when he hasn't been in it for a month.. What does that matter? If u didn't understand what I said, I'll try to clear it up for you. I said in 10 years Meth will still be remembered for the classic records he's made. While most likely Joe Budden will be one of the many forgoten names. Thats it! It doesn't matter if Meth hasn't been in it for a month or not. I was just putting this in its place in hip hop history. I'm sure this means something to all the Die Hard Budden fans, but it really don't mean shit to the Wu fans. And once again, I wouldn't classify myself as either of those.
I mean, Joe beefed w/ Game and Jay-Z and probably a bunch of other people, but nothing memorable has come out. IMO, this is a just another beef that won't mean anything later.
so why did you have to say Method Man? :laugh:
you could have said Tupac, because Pac & Meth are equally relevant in this beef as of now; they're not in it. :laugh:
you don't have to feel like "shit, he knows what i really mean" & just break out that "you're butthurt" card, when clearly that isn't it.
their is no point to completely show you have bias for Joe Budden & then try to defend yourself saying "where did i show bias?"
1. "Joe Budden is overrated" - need i say more about that one?
2. "Joe Budden is the worst rapper in Slaughterhouse" - yeah, their has to be a worst, but the only way you would think he is the worst is if you just didn't like his music & if you don't like his music that clearly shows bias
3. (excuse me for misquoting, but you basically said) "Joey isn't relevant, so even if he wins it won't mean shit because nobody knows about him" - basically getting to the point that now you're just playing the bitch card, where if Budden somehow dismantled the Wu on a diss it's no big deal because it wouldn't get worldwide exposure; again it's 2009 & again you're showing that Joey doesn't matter in this beef because regardless of the outcome Wu will prevail.
4. "Joe Budden has a lack of emotion" - you clearly didn't hear Halfway House or Padded Room, which i don't see how you can make a formulated opinon on this at all lol.
5. "i am not a big fan of Joe Budden" - saved the best for last basically; if you're not a fan how can you possibly go against him & then try to defend yourself by saying you're an innocent 3rd party? so for people to say "word, you summed it up buddy" when you're clearly against Joe Budden, you might as well be a die-heart Wu fan yourself lol. you don't have to be that exactly, but their is a clear difference in your Wu fan-side & your Jumpoff fan-side.
well that's it, now i guess all that's left to do is sit back and wait for your reply saying "i'm (me) so miserably butthurt over this whole situation" because you don't side with Joe Budden, when you're only not siding with him because you don't like him lol. but that's not biased, of course not lol.
anyway, i guess we just have to agree to disagree.
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Look, theres no point arguing w/ u. Ur soo blind for ur love of Joe Budden, that he can do no wrong in your eyes.
U seem to think that if I don't follow Joe Budden as hard as u do.. Then I'm Anti-Joe Budden. To me, good music is good music.
If he makes a great song, then I'll bang it. But like I said, I'm not feeling most of his stuff. I've heard padded room & the mood musik mixtapes.
Just not really feeling em'.. And I have the right to my opinion. To me, the best song I heard from him is 3 sides to a story. Its a good story, and really good lyrics, but the song itself gets kinda boring and repetive. Just my opinion. Calm down!
I have no problem, that u are in love w/ him. Thats ur perogative.
Like I said before, I'm interested in hearing this SlaughterHouse project. Most of the stuff I've heard has been pretty good.. But once again, not that he's wack, I'm just feeling Joeys shit the least. I'm lovin how Crooked is going, and I also feeling Royce's shit.
But u keep saying dumb shit, like I might as well be a Die Hard Wu-Tang fan because I'm not siding w/ Joe Budden?? Thats the dumbest shit I've heard! The reason why I brought up Method Man and not Tupac, is because this whole thing started w/ Joe calling out Method man. C'mon dude, its not that hard to figure out.. If Joe never started this shit, none of it woulda happenend.. No Inspectah Deck track, no nothing!
U said we'll have to agree to disagree.. Honestly dude, I don't disagree w/ anything u say.. U have the right to like whoever u like. I got no problem w/ u loving Joe Budden.. But its just u seem to have a problem w/ me.. not loving him also!
I said I'm not a big fan of his, I think he got some cool tracks and he's a lyrisist.. but I don't bang his music all day like that.. I can say exactly the same shit for Wu-Tang during the last 10 years. I'm not anti-anybody. I'm just stating my opinion.. And it seems that alotta other people seem to agree w/ me. U don't need to try to prove to us that ur views are right, and we all just don't know what good music is. My whole point of the 1st thread was its too many Die Hard Fan boys on both sides of this argument. I'm not either a Joey or Wu-Tang groupie, but I'm arguing w/ a Die Hard Joe Budden fan.. so who's the bias one here, me or you? :laugh:
So I don't know why ur trying to prove to everybody that I'm anti-Joe Budden.. Lemme ask u this... Do u think ur opinion is un-biased? Are u a good authority on this Joe Budden vs Wu-Tang beef, when everyone here knows how much u love him, and u'll defend any slander upon his name. Just opinions dude.. U listen to what u like, I'll listen to what I like.. And everything will be allright! 8)
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All I wanna say is Buddens will never make a song comparable to "All I Need" or an album comparable to "36 Chambers"...
Him and Joell are the worst in Slaughterhouse which isn't sayingmuch cos they're all dope as, but he constantly has the worst or 2nd worse verse on the tracks, except for Woodstock which hecame correct on...
Fanboys need to stop riding his nuts so hard, hes good with words we get it
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hahah....Cham gets owned every time nuk writes a paragraph. And nuk ain't even disagreeing.
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alright i'm just going to keep it short and sweet so maybe you will understand my point this time lol.
if you are not feeling Joe Budden's music (i could care less btw; know that, i don't care if you like his music) but you can't say you aren't biased because that is a clear showing of bias lmao.
so don't listen to what i say because i am biased, i like most of the music he makes; even the weak shit he makes, i will like more than the average listener; but you're saying he isn't that good, you don't like his shit, but insist you're not biased on the situation LMAO.
if you came in here & said yeah i bump Budden i like this shit & that shit, but i think "blah blah blah", that would be one thing; but to come in & say Joe Budden is overrated, this & that, that biased lol.
anyway, my whole bringing up your post was to show that people just sided with you because you wrote a lot; you honestly haven't said anything that hasn't already been said, but people are reacting like you just came up with your own formulated opinon.
got guys like NillerTheKid & Rapsodie just co-signing shit because it's against Budden, it didn't matter what you said as long as it was against Budden.
although it could very well just be the fact it's me lol, i could make a thread saying "Tupac was a good rapper" & they would be the first two to jump in the thread and be like "na, he wasn't", just because i made the thread. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
i like you Nuk23 (no homo) as a poster. you're opinonated, but know i wasn't trying to go hard against your opinons, i was just stating that your opinons have been said but people on this board will just co-sign anything that's not Pro-Budden; easily the most hated rapper in hip hop. 8)
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why are you bringing me up? I haven't cosigned or agreed with anything he's said about Budden. But as far as you trying to prove he's more biased than you, I'd say you're faling.
I don't see anyone actually hating on Budden. Most people just don't think he is as good as you make him out to be. Nothing wrong with that. How is that hating?
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why are you bringing me up? I haven't cosigned or agreed with anything he's said about Budden. But as far as you trying to prove he's more biased than you, I'd say you're faling failing.
I don't see anyone actually hating on Budden. Most people just don't think he is as good as you make him out to be. Nothing wrong with that. How is that hating?
LOL, you clearly don't read enough threads in this section to truly say Budden just "isn't as good as i make out to be".
their have been things said like "Budden is trash", "Budden is boring", "Budden is weak", "Budden is wack"; but na, you haven't seen that yet lol.
like i also said, you're doing a great job reading what any of us said; i haven't been trying to show he's more biased than me, but he is biased, period. ;)
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I'm a keep it shorter and sweeter.
Ur only seeing half of what I say. I did say, I'm not that big a fan of Joe Budden, BUT I ALSO said that I'm not feeling anything that Wu has put out in a long long time. THATS WHAT MAKES ME LESS BIAS! U only see that, I say I'm not feeling Budden, and u jump up to defend him or attack me for my opinion.
U can bring up everything I said on Joey if u want but . I'm not a fanboy of either of them. And u are an adimitted fanboy. I said many times IMO Wu has fallen off alot. I'm just sharing my views for a rather large consesus of people who are in the middle. Who aren't fanboys of either side.. Thats why people are agreeing w/ me. 8)
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why are you bringing me up? I haven't cosigned or agreed with anything he's said about Budden. But as far as you trying to prove he's more biased than you, I'd say you're faling failing.
I don't see anyone actually hating on Budden. Most people just don't think he is as good as you make him out to be. Nothing wrong with that. How is that hating?
LOL, you clearly don't read enough threads in this section to truly say Budden just "isn't as good as i make out to be".
their have been things said like "Budden is trash", "Budden is boring", "Budden is weak", "Budden is wack"; but na, you haven't seen that yet lol.
like i also said, you're doing a great job reading what any of us said; i haven't been trying to show he's more biased than me, but he is biased, period. ;)
everyone's biased to some degree. It's impossible to not be biased. But nothing he has said makes him "anti-budden". He's even said he bumps a few Budden songs. you going after him just because a few people agree with his post makes you out as a fanboy.
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why are you bringing me up? I haven't cosigned or agreed with anything he's said about Budden. But as far as you trying to prove he's more biased than you, I'd say you're faling failing.
I don't see anyone actually hating on Budden. Most people just don't think he is as good as you make him out to be. Nothing wrong with that. How is that hating?
LOL, you clearly don't read enough threads in this section to truly say Budden just "isn't as good as i make out to be".
their have been things said like "Budden is trash", "Budden is boring", "Budden is weak", "Budden is wack"; but na, you haven't seen that yet lol.
like i also said, you're doing a great job reading what any of us said; i haven't been trying to show he's more biased than me, but he is biased, period. ;)
everyone's biased to some degree. It's impossible to not be biased. But nothing he has said makes him "anti-budden". He's even said he bumps a few Budden songs. you going after him just because a few people agree with his post makes you out as a fanboy.
lol, i clearly posted 5 things that show it; but alright whatever.
forget it, as long as Budden is shown in a bad light by the end of this thread you guys will be happy & i won't spoil your day. ;)
my personal favorite thing about this thread is the pride you guys take to try to expose me or something as a "fanboy" or "groupie", when all you have to do is go to the West Coast Section, click the "Official Internet Groupie Thread" or whatever it's called & it says it right their in black & white, me stating "i am a Joe Budden groupie".
but again, you guys just deliberatly miss my point so your right & i am wrong; the main problem with this board is that people decide to stay so narrow minded to what they think is right, not even open to others opinons; i know you're going to try to come back & say "HOW CAN YOU EVEN TALK?", but again, if you actually read posts instead of just skimming through it & getting the point you would know that i am one of the most open minded people on this board, i allow myself to be convinced if their is a reasonable argument.
but this guy just comes in & says Joe Budden is bad (basically what you're saying, i don't see how you think someone who is "overrated, lacking emotion; LOL, you even said his best song & your favorite song by him sounded boring and repeatative LMFAO!)
somebody with any half of a brain come in here & show me you understand my point lmao; he goes "i even said that i haven't been feeling the music Wu has put out in years"; but i mean all those classics from the 90's were awesome right? so you did like them right?
LOL!
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why are you bringing me up? I haven't cosigned or agreed with anything he's said about Budden. But as far as you trying to prove he's more biased than you, I'd say you're faling failing.
I don't see anyone actually hating on Budden. Most people just don't think he is as good as you make him out to be. Nothing wrong with that. How is that hating?
LOL, you clearly don't read enough threads in this section to truly say Budden just "isn't as good as i make out to be".
their have been things said like "Budden is trash", "Budden is boring", "Budden is weak", "Budden is wack"; but na, you haven't seen that yet lol.
like i also said, you're doing a great job reading what any of us said; i haven't been trying to show he's more biased than me, but he is biased, period. ;)
everyone's biased to some degree. It's impossible to not be biased. But nothing he has said makes him "anti-budden". He's even said he bumps a few Budden songs. you going after him just because a few people agree with his post makes you out as a fanboy.
lol, i clearly posted 5 things that show it; but alright whatever.
forget it, as long as Budden is shown in a bad light by the end of this thread you guys will be happy & i won't spoil your day. ;)
my personal favorite thing about this thread is the pride you guys take to try to expose me or something as a "fanboy" or "groupie", when all you have to do is go to the West Coast Section, click the "Official Internet Groupie Thread" or whatever it's called & it says it right their in black & white, me stating "i am a Joe Budden groupie".
but again, you guys just deliberatly miss my point so your right & i am wrong; the main problem with this board is that people decide to stay so narrow minded to what they think is right, not even open to others opinons; i know you're going to try to come back & say "HOW CAN YOU EVEN TALK?", but again, if you actually read posts instead of just skimming through it & getting the point you would know that i am one of the most open minded people on this board, i allow myself to be convinced if their is a reasonable argument.
but this guy just comes in & says Joe Budden is bad (basically what you're saying, i don't see how you think someone who is "overrated, lacking emotion; LOL, you even said his best song & your favorite song by him sounded boring and repeatative LMFAO!)
somebody with any half of a brain come in here & show me you understand my point lmao; he goes "i even said that i haven't been feeling the music Wu has put out in years"; but i mean all those classics from the 90's were awesome right? so you did like them right?
LOL!
How the hell is Budden shown in a bad light? Because people place him last in a group of extremely talented emcees? Because people don't think he can go up against one of the greatest groups in hip hop? Nigga please.
And saying someone is overrated isn't a negative thing. All it means is that he thinks you rate him too high. I think Pac is overrated as well. Yet he'd still make my top 10. Are you going to accuse me of hating Pac as well? I love Pac. I probably have more of his songs in my itunes than any other rapper.
As far as him lacking emotion, you obviously didn't understand nuk's comment. He was talking about Budden's voice lacking emotion, not his lyrics. I don't think that's hating as its damn near universally accepted that the guy doesn't have the smoothest voice.
I don't forum-stalk you so I wouldn't know who you are a groupie of. But now that you've came out I guess I'll just ignore you.
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why are you bringing me up? I haven't cosigned or agreed with anything he's said about Budden. But as far as you trying to prove he's more biased than you, I'd say you're faling failing.
I don't see anyone actually hating on Budden. Most people just don't think he is as good as you make him out to be. Nothing wrong with that. How is that hating?
LOL, you clearly don't read enough threads in this section to truly say Budden just "isn't as good as i make out to be".
their have been things said like "Budden is trash", "Budden is boring", "Budden is weak", "Budden is wack"; but na, you haven't seen that yet lol.
like i also said, you're doing a great job reading what any of us said; i haven't been trying to show he's more biased than me, but he is biased, period. ;)
everyone's biased to some degree. It's impossible to not be biased. But nothing he has said makes him "anti-budden". He's even said he bumps a few Budden songs. you going after him just because a few people agree with his post makes you out as a fanboy.
lol, i clearly posted 5 things that show it; but alright whatever.
forget it, as long as Budden is shown in a bad light by the end of this thread you guys will be happy & i won't spoil your day. ;)
my personal favorite thing about this thread is the pride you guys take to try to expose me or something as a "fanboy" or "groupie", when all you have to do is go to the West Coast Section, click the "Official Internet Groupie Thread" or whatever it's called & it says it right their in black & white, me stating "i am a Joe Budden groupie".
but again, you guys just deliberatly miss my point so your right & i am wrong; the main problem with this board is that people decide to stay so narrow minded to what they think is right, not even open to others opinons; i know you're going to try to come back & say "HOW CAN YOU EVEN TALK?", but again, if you actually read posts instead of just skimming through it & getting the point you would know that i am one of the most open minded people on this board, i allow myself to be convinced if their is a reasonable argument.
but this guy just comes in & says Joe Budden is bad (basically what you're saying, i don't see how you think someone who is "overrated, lacking emotion; LOL, you even said his best song & your favorite song by him sounded boring and repeatative LMFAO!)
somebody with any half of a brain come in here & show me you understand my point lmao; he goes "i even said that i haven't been feeling the music Wu has put out in years"; but i mean all those classics from the 90's were awesome right? so you did like them right?
LOL!
How the hell is Budden shown in a bad light? Because people place him last in a group of extremely talented emcees? Because people don't think he can go up against one of the greatest groups in hip hop? Nigga please.
And saying someone is overrated isn't a negative thing. All it means is that he thinks you rate him too high. I think Pac is overrated as well. Yet he'd still make my top 10. Are you going to accuse me of hating Pac as well? I love Pac. I probably have more of his songs in my itunes than any other rapper.
As far as him lacking emotion, you obviously didn't understand nuk's comment. He was talking about Budden's voice lacking emotion, not his lyrics. I don't think that's hating as its damn near universally accepted that the guy doesn't have the smoothest voice.
I don't forum-stalk you so I wouldn't know who you are a groupie of. But now that you've came out I guess I'll just ignore you.
like i said, you obviously don't pay enough attention thread in & thread out if you truly believe that Budden isn't hated on. :laugh:
he said the best song Joe Budden has is kind of weak because it is repetative & gets boring; but na, he's in a shining light of great honor is this thread lol. read what i just said their again; his favorite Joe Budden song isn't all that good because it's boring & you're still going to sit there & tell him i'm just upset? maybe one day you'll grow up & stop just disagreeing with every last thing i say because you just strive to see me look dumb lmao.
LOL, c'mon now.
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I don't strive to make you look dumb. Usually you come with some good points. But I guess when it comes to Budden you lose sense.
nuk didn't talk about his favorite budden song. now you're seeing things that aren't there. from what i read, his opinion is that budden has good lyrics, but a boring delivery. then he went into explaining how a lot of today's emcees lack flow and voice, and how it prevents them from being a great rapper. then a bunch of people started agreeing with him and you caught feelings. he even said budden had better lyrics than method and you still call hater. lmao.
i'm done defending the guy because he can speak for himself, but i fucking hate it when groupies throw the word hater around.
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How the hell do you get worse lyrically with age? You don't. I'm pretty sure the Wu coud still bring it. Stop over rating Budden's arse.
tell em.
Everybody has thier own opinions, but theres too much fan boys in here. Half the people on this thread love Joe Buddens and think he's the best rapper alive, and the other half still think Wu-Tang is still dropping classics like it was the mid-late 90's. I guess I'm more of a nuetral opinion, cuz while I've never been the biggest Joe Budden fan, I used to be into Wu-Tang alot, but I'll be the first to admit that they've fallen off since thier peak many years ago.
I'm looking foward to hear what Slaughterhouse album sounds like, and I'm also waiting on the Cuban Links 2 album.
I see it like this.. Joe Budden is prob the most over-rated underground rapper. IMO he's the worst dude on Slaughterhouse. Every song I've heard from them, he's had either the worst verse or the 2nd worse verse. He's the one who started all this, by running his mouth.. Yeah, people may say it was taken outta context, but he still called out another rapper out by name. And Method man responded. Maybe he didn't quite understand what Joey was tryna say, but regardless, nobody can tell another man how he should respond when being called out in public. Now this thing maybe spiraling outta control.
I'm thinking when its all said and done there will be a few good disses on each side, theres already been one (I like the Inspectah Deck track). But nothing worthy enough be considered a classic. Because ultimately, this beef won't mean anything in hip hop history. Maybe it woulda worked out for Budden if Wu was still relevant, but overall only true fan bases are even checking for this.
People keep talking about how Wu fell off and how they haven't been relevent, bringing up sales and all that.. But Joe Budden has never been relevant. If Wu-Tang and most of their solo artists never sell another copy, or even release an album.. They can still make more money than Budden can the rest of his career. Wu-Tang has a crazy fan base.. Somebody said that if u go to a Wu show, u'll see a bunch of hip hop heads, u'll see rock/ heavy metal dudes, skaters whatever.. they can just go on tour and run thru their classics and sell out big shows.
Joe Buddens, has some clever lines and pretty good lyrics but He'll never be a big name in rap. From what I've seen, only people who are just into rap, especially underground rap can get into Joey. He's only had one hit that the average hip hop fan can identify. Pump it up, the same song which he gets clowned on today for. His fans probably hate that song, I'm sure he hates it too, kinda like Eminem hates, Hi My name is. I dunno, its something about his delivery or voice that makes me not interested, I've seen people who love his shit, post lyrics, and I'll read em.. And I'll be like oh shit, this is dope.. Then when I go listen to the actual song, It sounds pretty boring. Even if he had the best lyrics in the game, he hasn't learned how to make it great songs that will be considered classics. Cuz at the end of the day, he's in the music game.
I used to be one of those guys that were just all about lyrics.. but as I got older, I realized in music its just as important what u say, as how u say it. Does it give u certain emotion or feeling, does it make u move? dance, get mad, whatever. As I started listening to other genres of music, I realized how weak rap has gotten. Theres not enough flow and voice and emotion anymore. Alotta hip hop heads argue all day, who has the best lyrics.. They'll throw out names like Nas, Imortal Technique, Jay-z, Joe Budden, Talib ... etc.. The truth is, if ur just into lyrics theres plenty of Spoken Word Poets out there that will shit on any of these rappers.
So while Joe probably has better lyrics, he loses to Method Man, cuz Method Man got him on flow and voice. And 10 years from now, Method Man will still be remembered for his classic songs like The 1st Wu Album, All I need w/ Mary J. Blige and his feature on Biggies first album.. And Joe Budden will probably be underground rapper that never made it, like Canibus or AZ.
much posting props,....even heads who disagree (shit, even i didnt agree wit everything posted) gotta respect the logic and rational in your post....well thought out and put, +1
honestly, i respect your opinon in respecting his opinon & views, but i read about 2 sentences of what he said & realized it wasn't going anywhere.
he showed he is clearly anti-Joe Budden by saying he was "the most overrated" & "the worst in Slaughterhouse", say it's "his opinon", but no force on earth will convince me anything he has to say isn't biased to begin with.
but i continued to go on reading to make sure i wasn't missing something that you guys are propping him for & i realized, nope he didn't say anything that hasn't already been said lol.
although he did bring up the point "Joe Budden isn't relevant", which doesn't mean shit because Big L > 98% of any other rappers & i can gaurentee you that the "average" hip-hop fan couldn't tell me who he was; the name might ring bells, but they couldn't name you more than 5 songs.
so obviously your relativness doesn't reflect your skill in the slightest & same goes for sales; i don't know if he was commenting on my points, but i never said anything about "being relative", i said Wu hasn't been dropping classics for 10 years; but also like i said, it's not Wu, it's Deck.
he said Joe Budden gives no emotion into his music, easily the deepest rapper in hip hop & you're saying he has no emotion. :laugh:
then he wrapped it up by saying "he loses to Method Man" when Meth hasn't even been in the discussion for a good month; but let's bring him back & the only reason he thinks Meth is better is because he isn't a Joe Budden fan to being with!
so maybe i should start writing 500 word essays on my feelings towards things & you guys will just be like "real talk +1". :laugh:
i appreciate the fact Nuk23 took the time out to write that, but i can't just be like "you're right, because you took your time on it", if you guys actually read it, you would see that it's mostly biased, hating on Joe Budden, brings up points already examined & you guys are being fooled, although maybe you're not because most of you just shit on Joe Budden anyway. :P
finally, i do give you props because you didn't really show any "Pro-Wu-Tang" views, but you clearly showed a dislike for Budden & his music five or six times throughout.
*lets karma drop from die heart Wu fans, for having my own opinon* :D
if your actually saying 98% of average hip hop fans wouldn't be able 5+ songs of Big L's then these people clearly are not HIP HOP fans.. Big L is one of the greatest of all time whoever cannot name 5+ songs of Big L's work should not even be allowed to express their opinion on hip hop issues let alone consider themselves hip hop fans.
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How the hell do you get worse lyrically with age? You don't. I'm pretty sure the Wu coud still bring it. Stop over rating Budden's arse.
tell em.
Everybody has thier own opinions, but theres too much fan boys in here. Half the people on this thread love Joe Buddens and think he's the best rapper alive, and the other half still think Wu-Tang is still dropping classics like it was the mid-late 90's. I guess I'm more of a nuetral opinion, cuz while I've never been the biggest Joe Budden fan, I used to be into Wu-Tang alot, but I'll be the first to admit that they've fallen off since thier peak many years ago.
I'm looking foward to hear what Slaughterhouse album sounds like, and I'm also waiting on the Cuban Links 2 album.
I see it like this.. Joe Budden is prob the most over-rated underground rapper. IMO he's the worst dude on Slaughterhouse. Every song I've heard from them, he's had either the worst verse or the 2nd worse verse. He's the one who started all this, by running his mouth.. Yeah, people may say it was taken outta context, but he still called out another rapper out by name. And Method man responded. Maybe he didn't quite understand what Joey was tryna say, but regardless, nobody can tell another man how he should respond when being called out in public. Now this thing maybe spiraling outta control.
I'm thinking when its all said and done there will be a few good disses on each side, theres already been one (I like the Inspectah Deck track). But nothing worthy enough be considered a classic. Because ultimately, this beef won't mean anything in hip hop history. Maybe it woulda worked out for Budden if Wu was still relevant, but overall only true fan bases are even checking for this.
People keep talking about how Wu fell off and how they haven't been relevent, bringing up sales and all that.. But Joe Budden has never been relevant. If Wu-Tang and most of their solo artists never sell another copy, or even release an album.. They can still make more money than Budden can the rest of his career. Wu-Tang has a crazy fan base.. Somebody said that if u go to a Wu show, u'll see a bunch of hip hop heads, u'll see rock/ heavy metal dudes, skaters whatever.. they can just go on tour and run thru their classics and sell out big shows.
Joe Buddens, has some clever lines and pretty good lyrics but He'll never be a big name in rap. From what I've seen, only people who are just into rap, especially underground rap can get into Joey. He's only had one hit that the average hip hop fan can identify. Pump it up, the same song which he gets clowned on today for. His fans probably hate that song, I'm sure he hates it too, kinda like Eminem hates, Hi My name is. I dunno, its something about his delivery or voice that makes me not interested, I've seen people who love his shit, post lyrics, and I'll read em.. And I'll be like oh shit, this is dope.. Then when I go listen to the actual song, It sounds pretty boring. Even if he had the best lyrics in the game, he hasn't learned how to make it great songs that will be considered classics. Cuz at the end of the day, he's in the music game.
I used to be one of those guys that were just all about lyrics.. but as I got older, I realized in music its just as important what u say, as how u say it. Does it give u certain emotion or feeling, does it make u move? dance, get mad, whatever. As I started listening to other genres of music, I realized how weak rap has gotten. Theres not enough flow and voice and emotion anymore. Alotta hip hop heads argue all day, who has the best lyrics.. They'll throw out names like Nas, Imortal Technique, Jay-z, Joe Budden, Talib ... etc.. The truth is, if ur just into lyrics theres plenty of Spoken Word Poets out there that will shit on any of these rappers.
So while Joe probably has better lyrics, he loses to Method Man, cuz Method Man got him on flow and voice. And 10 years from now, Method Man will still be remembered for his classic songs like The 1st Wu Album, All I need w/ Mary J. Blige and his feature on Biggies first album.. And Joe Budden will probably be underground rapper that never made it, like Canibus or AZ.
much posting props,....even heads who disagree (shit, even i didnt agree wit everything posted) gotta respect the logic and rational in your post....well thought out and put, +1
honestly, i respect your opinon in respecting his opinon & views, but i read about 2 sentences of what he said & realized it wasn't going anywhere.
he showed he is clearly anti-Joe Budden by saying he was "the most overrated" & "the worst in Slaughterhouse", say it's "his opinon", but no force on earth will convince me anything he has to say isn't biased to begin with.
but i continued to go on reading to make sure i wasn't missing something that you guys are propping him for & i realized, nope he didn't say anything that hasn't already been said lol.
although he did bring up the point "Joe Budden isn't relevant", which doesn't mean shit because Big L > 98% of any other rappers & i can gaurentee you that the "average" hip-hop fan couldn't tell me who he was; the name might ring bells, but they couldn't name you more than 5 songs.
so obviously your relativness doesn't reflect your skill in the slightest & same goes for sales; i don't know if he was commenting on my points, but i never said anything about "being relative", i said Wu hasn't been dropping classics for 10 years; but also like i said, it's not Wu, it's Deck.
he said Joe Budden gives no emotion into his music, easily the deepest rapper in hip hop & you're saying he has no emotion. :laugh:
then he wrapped it up by saying "he loses to Method Man" when Meth hasn't even been in the discussion for a good month; but let's bring him back & the only reason he thinks Meth is better is because he isn't a Joe Budden fan to being with!
so maybe i should start writing 500 word essays on my feelings towards things & you guys will just be like "real talk +1". :laugh:
i appreciate the fact Nuk23 took the time out to write that, but i can't just be like "you're right, because you took your time on it", if you guys actually read it, you would see that it's mostly biased, hating on Joe Budden, brings up points already examined & you guys are being fooled, although maybe you're not because most of you just shit on Joe Budden anyway. :P
finally, i do give you props because you didn't really show any "Pro-Wu-Tang" views, but you clearly showed a dislike for Budden & his music five or six times throughout.
*lets karma drop from die heart Wu fans, for having my own opinon* :D
if your actually saying 98% of average hip hop fans wouldn't be able 5+ songs of Big L's then these people clearly are not HIP HOP fans.. Big L is one of the greatest of all time whoever cannot name 5+ songs of Big L's work should not even be allowed to express their opinion on hip hop issues let alone consider themselves hip hop fans.
Well, you must consider this - most known "hip hop" fans these days like "pop hop" - so they get lumped in.
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How the hell do you get worse lyrically with age? You don't. I'm pretty sure the Wu coud still bring it. Stop over rating Budden's arse.
tell em.
Everybody has thier own opinions, but theres too much fan boys in here. Half the people on this thread love Joe Buddens and think he's the best rapper alive, and the other half still think Wu-Tang is still dropping classics like it was the mid-late 90's. I guess I'm more of a nuetral opinion, cuz while I've never been the biggest Joe Budden fan, I used to be into Wu-Tang alot, but I'll be the first to admit that they've fallen off since thier peak many years ago.
I'm looking foward to hear what Slaughterhouse album sounds like, and I'm also waiting on the Cuban Links 2 album.
I see it like this.. Joe Budden is prob the most over-rated underground rapper. IMO he's the worst dude on Slaughterhouse. Every song I've heard from them, he's had either the worst verse or the 2nd worse verse. He's the one who started all this, by running his mouth.. Yeah, people may say it was taken outta context, but he still called out another rapper out by name. And Method man responded. Maybe he didn't quite understand what Joey was tryna say, but regardless, nobody can tell another man how he should respond when being called out in public. Now this thing maybe spiraling outta control.
I'm thinking when its all said and done there will be a few good disses on each side, theres already been one (I like the Inspectah Deck track). But nothing worthy enough be considered a classic. Because ultimately, this beef won't mean anything in hip hop history. Maybe it woulda worked out for Budden if Wu was still relevant, but overall only true fan bases are even checking for this.
People keep talking about how Wu fell off and how they haven't been relevent, bringing up sales and all that.. But Joe Budden has never been relevant. If Wu-Tang and most of their solo artists never sell another copy, or even release an album.. They can still make more money than Budden can the rest of his career. Wu-Tang has a crazy fan base.. Somebody said that if u go to a Wu show, u'll see a bunch of hip hop heads, u'll see rock/ heavy metal dudes, skaters whatever.. they can just go on tour and run thru their classics and sell out big shows.
Joe Buddens, has some clever lines and pretty good lyrics but He'll never be a big name in rap. From what I've seen, only people who are just into rap, especially underground rap can get into Joey. He's only had one hit that the average hip hop fan can identify. Pump it up, the same song which he gets clowned on today for. His fans probably hate that song, I'm sure he hates it too, kinda like Eminem hates, Hi My name is. I dunno, its something about his delivery or voice that makes me not interested, I've seen people who love his shit, post lyrics, and I'll read em.. And I'll be like oh shit, this is dope.. Then when I go listen to the actual song, It sounds pretty boring. Even if he had the best lyrics in the game, he hasn't learned how to make it great songs that will be considered classics. Cuz at the end of the day, he's in the music game.
I used to be one of those guys that were just all about lyrics.. but as I got older, I realized in music its just as important what u say, as how u say it. Does it give u certain emotion or feeling, does it make u move? dance, get mad, whatever. As I started listening to other genres of music, I realized how weak rap has gotten. Theres not enough flow and voice and emotion anymore. Alotta hip hop heads argue all day, who has the best lyrics.. They'll throw out names like Nas, Imortal Technique, Jay-z, Joe Budden, Talib ... etc.. The truth is, if ur just into lyrics theres plenty of Spoken Word Poets out there that will shit on any of these rappers.
So while Joe probably has better lyrics, he loses to Method Man, cuz Method Man got him on flow and voice. And 10 years from now, Method Man will still be remembered for his classic songs like The 1st Wu Album, All I need w/ Mary J. Blige and his feature on Biggies first album.. And Joe Budden will probably be underground rapper that never made it, like Canibus or AZ.
much posting props,....even heads who disagree (shit, even i didnt agree wit everything posted) gotta respect the logic and rational in your post....well thought out and put, +1
honestly, i respect your opinon in respecting his opinon & views, but i read about 2 sentences of what he said & realized it wasn't going anywhere.
he showed he is clearly anti-Joe Budden by saying he was "the most overrated" & "the worst in Slaughterhouse", say it's "his opinon", but no force on earth will convince me anything he has to say isn't biased to begin with.
but i continued to go on reading to make sure i wasn't missing something that you guys are propping him for & i realized, nope he didn't say anything that hasn't already been said lol.
although he did bring up the point "Joe Budden isn't relevant", which doesn't mean shit because Big L > 98% of any other rappers & i can gaurentee you that the "average" hip-hop fan couldn't tell me who he was; the name might ring bells, but they couldn't name you more than 5 songs.
so obviously your relativness doesn't reflect your skill in the slightest & same goes for sales; i don't know if he was commenting on my points, but i never said anything about "being relative", i said Wu hasn't been dropping classics for 10 years; but also like i said, it's not Wu, it's Deck.
he said Joe Budden gives no emotion into his music, easily the deepest rapper in hip hop & you're saying he has no emotion. :laugh:
then he wrapped it up by saying "he loses to Method Man" when Meth hasn't even been in the discussion for a good month; but let's bring him back & the only reason he thinks Meth is better is because he isn't a Joe Budden fan to being with!
so maybe i should start writing 500 word essays on my feelings towards things & you guys will just be like "real talk +1". :laugh:
i appreciate the fact Nuk23 took the time out to write that, but i can't just be like "you're right, because you took your time on it", if you guys actually read it, you would see that it's mostly biased, hating on Joe Budden, brings up points already examined & you guys are being fooled, although maybe you're not because most of you just shit on Joe Budden anyway. :P
finally, i do give you props because you didn't really show any "Pro-Wu-Tang" views, but you clearly showed a dislike for Budden & his music five or six times throughout.
*lets karma drop from die heart Wu fans, for having my own opinon* :D
if your actually saying 98% of average hip hop fans wouldn't be able 5+ songs of Big L's then these people clearly are not HIP HOP fans.. Big L is one of the greatest of all time whoever cannot name 5+ songs of Big L's work should not even be allowed to express their opinion on hip hop issues let alone consider themselves hip hop fans.
Well, you must consider this - most known "hip hop" fans these days like "pop hop" - so they get lumped in.
14 year old kids maybe. but then again those people wouldn't know who Rakim is either. those aren't hip hop fans, those are fans of whoever is hot at the moment.
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LOL, no learn how to read. :P
Big L > 98% of rappers in history or hip hop; he makes most top 10 lists so honestly that sounds about the right percentage lol.
but i honestly i wouldn't be surprized if 75% of average hip hop fans couldn't name me 5 Big L songs. :P
I don't strive to make you look dumb. Usually you come with some good points. But I guess when it comes to Budden you lose sense.
nuk didn't talk about his favorite budden song. now you're seeing things that aren't there. from what i read, his opinion is that budden has good lyrics, but a boring delivery. then he went into explaining how a lot of today's emcees lack flow and voice, and how it prevents them from being a great rapper. then a bunch of people started agreeing with him and you caught feelings. he even said budden had better lyrics than method and you still call hater. lmao.
i'm done defending the guy because he can speak for himself, but i fucking hate it when groupies throw the word hater around.
he talked about it in one of his posts in this thread; he said it was 3 Sides To A Story; favorite song & it was boring.
i don't even want to bother anymore lol.
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LOL, no learn how to read. :P
Big L > 98% of rappers in history or hip hop; he makes most top 10 lists so honestly that sounds about the right percentage lol.
but i honestly i wouldn't be surprized if 75% of average hip hop fans couldn't name me 5 Big L songs. :P
I don't strive to make you look dumb. Usually you come with some good points. But I guess when it comes to Budden you lose sense.
nuk didn't talk about his favorite budden song. now you're seeing things that aren't there. from what i read, his opinion is that budden has good lyrics, but a boring delivery. then he went into explaining how a lot of today's emcees lack flow and voice, and how it prevents them from being a great rapper. then a bunch of people started agreeing with him and you caught feelings. he even said budden had better lyrics than method and you still call hater. lmao.
i'm done defending the guy because he can speak for himself, but i fucking hate it when groupies throw the word hater around.
he talked about it in one of his posts in this thread; he said it was 3 Sides To A Story; favorite song & it was boring.
i don't even want to bother anymore lol.
The Karma monster is eating at you. God, soon you will be like Juels and be in the negatives for being a fan of Budden. LOL.
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so has any side dropped a diss or anything yet?
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so has any side dropped a diss or anything yet?
Nope, still waiting.
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LOL, no learn how to read. :P
Big L > 98% of rappers in history or hip hop; he makes most top 10 lists so honestly that sounds about the right percentage lol.
but i honestly i wouldn't be surprized if 75% of average hip hop fans couldn't name me 5 Big L songs. :P
I don't strive to make you look dumb. Usually you come with some good points. But I guess when it comes to Budden you lose sense.
nuk didn't talk about his favorite budden song. now you're seeing things that aren't there. from what i read, his opinion is that budden has good lyrics, but a boring delivery. then he went into explaining how a lot of today's emcees lack flow and voice, and how it prevents them from being a great rapper. then a bunch of people started agreeing with him and you caught feelings. he even said budden had better lyrics than method and you still call hater. lmao.
i'm done defending the guy because he can speak for himself, but i fucking hate it when groupies throw the word hater around.
he talked about it in one of his posts in this thread; he said it was 3 Sides To A Story; favorite song & it was boring.
i don't even want to bother anymore lol.
The Karma monster is eating at you. God, soon you will be like Juels and be in the negatives for being a fan of Budden. LOL.
LOL, down 25 in two days. that's pathetic & people say Joe Budden isn't hated. :laugh:
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the lesson here is to be a fan not a stan
why would you care about a rating on an internet forum anyways?
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the lesson here is to be a fan not a stan
why would you care about a rating on an internet forum anyways?
Yeah I tend to just ignore the karma these days, anytime you say something opinionated, it usually drops instantly, and you never know who it is lol
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the lesson here is to be a fan not a stan
why would you care about a rating on an internet forum anyways?
Yeah I tend to just ignore the karma these days, anytime you say something opinionated, it usually drops instantly, and you never know who it is lol
i could careless, if my karma was -500 i wouldn't mind; it's just i like how it goes down for being a fan lol.
you really learn who you're talking to by watching your karma & knowing what conversations you're in when it goes down, etc.
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wow! I come home, and I see all these replies.. This shit is getting outta hand.
Like I said before theres no point arguing w/ you. U don't seem to get my point.
All I'm doing is sharing my opinion, which I think is an unbiased one, because I'm not really feeling either side. Ur point is to try to make me seem like a hater or super anti-Joe Budden, and thats simply not the case. I've said he's a good lyricist, but I'm just not feeling something about him. I can say the exact same thing about most Wu-Tang MC's. But u just take everything so personally to defend ur man. So I can't jus sit here and take u trying to tell me how I feel about certain rappers like u know whats in my head!! C'mon dude, everybody here sees what I'm trying to say.. But you. I don't think it has anything to do with their feelings about Joe Budden or anything.. Its just plain to see, I'm not hating.. Just sharing my personal opinion.
So what if I enjoyed Wu-Tang music in the mid 90's.. Who didn't? They had classics upon classics, I don't think anybody is debating that, but that doesn't have anytihng to do w/ this... This beef is in 2009, and its a pretty even match if u ask me. Maybe if it woulda happened in 95-98 it wouldn't have been a contest. Or maybe if I go down the list of Wu-Tang members and say how far I feel they fell off, maybe that'll make u feel a lil better. Cuz u keep trying to tell everybody that I'm soo biased, bringing up my quotes and shit, but ur the only one who thinks that! So I'm done w/ this.. Theres only soo many times where I can repeat myself.. Like I said, I have no problem w/ ur opinions.. u make em pretty clear. But don't try to tell me, about my own opinions and what I'm trying to say, like somehow I really hate Joe Budden, and I love Wu-Tang.. And I'm just scared to admit it! hahaha.
I'm sooo done w/ this thread. I'm wasting too much time out of my day for this.. :laugh:
Bye the way, I'm just curious.. How would u rank the SlaughterHouse MC's from #1 to #4 in order judging by the tracks they've released so far?
And since I don't post too often, can somebody please explain the karma part of this forum. How does it work, can u actually give and take away points?
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How the hell do you get worse lyrically with age? You don't. I'm pretty sure the Wu coud still bring it. Stop over rating Budden's arse.
tell em.
Everybody has thier own opinions, but theres too much fan boys in here. Half the people on this thread love Joe Buddens and think he's the best rapper alive, and the other half still think Wu-Tang is still dropping classics like it was the mid-late 90's. I guess I'm more of a nuetral opinion, cuz while I've never been the biggest Joe Budden fan, I used to be into Wu-Tang alot, but I'll be the first to admit that they've fallen off since thier peak many years ago.
I'm looking foward to hear what Slaughterhouse album sounds like, and I'm also waiting on the Cuban Links 2 album.
I see it like this.. Joe Budden is prob the most over-rated underground rapper. IMO he's the worst dude on Slaughterhouse. Every song I've heard from them, he's had either the worst verse or the 2nd worse verse. He's the one who started all this, by running his mouth.. Yeah, people may say it was taken outta context, but he still called out another rapper out by name. And Method man responded. Maybe he didn't quite understand what Joey was tryna say, but regardless, nobody can tell another man how he should respond when being called out in public. Now this thing maybe spiraling outta control.
I'm thinking when its all said and done there will be a few good disses on each side, theres already been one (I like the Inspectah Deck track). But nothing worthy enough be considered a classic. Because ultimately, this beef won't mean anything in hip hop history. Maybe it woulda worked out for Budden if Wu was still relevant, but overall only true fan bases are even checking for this.
People keep talking about how Wu fell off and how they haven't been relevent, bringing up sales and all that.. But Joe Budden has never been relevant. If Wu-Tang and most of their solo artists never sell another copy, or even release an album.. They can still make more money than Budden can the rest of his career. Wu-Tang has a crazy fan base.. Somebody said that if u go to a Wu show, u'll see a bunch of hip hop heads, u'll see rock/ heavy metal dudes, skaters whatever.. they can just go on tour and run thru their classics and sell out big shows.
Joe Buddens, has some clever lines and pretty good lyrics but He'll never be a big name in rap. From what I've seen, only people who are just into rap, especially underground rap can get into Joey. He's only had one hit that the average hip hop fan can identify. Pump it up, the same song which he gets clowned on today for. His fans probably hate that song, I'm sure he hates it too, kinda like Eminem hates, Hi My name is. I dunno, its something about his delivery or voice that makes me not interested, I've seen people who love his shit, post lyrics, and I'll read em.. And I'll be like oh shit, this is dope.. Then when I go listen to the actual song, It sounds pretty boring. Even if he had the best lyrics in the game, he hasn't learned how to make it great songs that will be considered classics. Cuz at the end of the day, he's in the music game.
I used to be one of those guys that were just all about lyrics.. but as I got older, I realized in music its just as important what u say, as how u say it. Does it give u certain emotion or feeling, does it make u move? dance, get mad, whatever. As I started listening to other genres of music, I realized how weak rap has gotten. Theres not enough flow and voice and emotion anymore. Alotta hip hop heads argue all day, who has the best lyrics.. They'll throw out names like Nas, Imortal Technique, Jay-z, Joe Budden, Talib ... etc.. The truth is, if ur just into lyrics theres plenty of Spoken Word Poets out there that will shit on any of these rappers.
So while Joe probably has better lyrics, he loses to Method Man, cuz Method Man got him on flow and voice. And 10 years from now, Method Man will still be remembered for his classic songs like The 1st Wu Album, All I need w/ Mary J. Blige and his feature on Biggies first album.. And Joe Budden will probably be underground rapper that never made it, like Canibus or AZ.
much posting props,....even heads who disagree (shit, even i didnt agree wit everything posted) gotta respect the logic and rational in your post....well thought out and put, +1
honestly, i respect your opinon in respecting his opinon & views, but i read about 2 sentences of what he said & realized it wasn't going anywhere.
he showed he is clearly anti-Joe Budden by saying he was "the most overrated" & "the worst in Slaughterhouse", say it's "his opinon", but no force on earth will convince me anything he has to say isn't biased to begin with.
but i continued to go on reading to make sure i wasn't missing something that you guys are propping him for & i realized, nope he didn't say anything that hasn't already been said lol.
although he did bring up the point "Joe Budden isn't relevant", which doesn't mean shit because Big L > 98% of any other rappers & i can gaurentee you that the "average" hip-hop fan couldn't tell me who he was; the name might ring bells, but they couldn't name you more than 5 songs.
so obviously your relativness doesn't reflect your skill in the slightest & same goes for sales; i don't know if he was commenting on my points, but i never said anything about "being relative", i said Wu hasn't been dropping classics for 10 years; but also like i said, it's not Wu, it's Deck.
he said Joe Budden gives no emotion into his music, easily the deepest rapper in hip hop & you're saying he has no emotion. :laugh:
then he wrapped it up by saying "he loses to Method Man" when Meth hasn't even been in the discussion for a good month; but let's bring him back & the only reason he thinks Meth is better is because he isn't a Joe Budden fan to being with!
so maybe i should start writing 500 word essays on my feelings towards things & you guys will just be like "real talk +1". :laugh:
i appreciate the fact Nuk23 took the time out to write that, but i can't just be like "you're right, because you took your time on it", if you guys actually read it, you would see that it's mostly biased, hating on Joe Budden, brings up points already examined & you guys are being fooled, although maybe you're not because most of you just shit on Joe Budden anyway. :P
finally, i do give you props because you didn't really show any "Pro-Wu-Tang" views, but you clearly showed a dislike for Budden & his music five or six times throughout.
*lets karma drop from die heart Wu fans, for having my own opinon* :D
if your actually saying 98% of average hip hop fans wouldn't be able 5+ songs of Big L's then these people clearly are not HIP HOP fans.. Big L is one of the greatest of all time whoever cannot name 5+ songs of Big L's work should not even be allowed to express their opinion on hip hop issues let alone consider themselves hip hop fans.
Well, you must consider this - most known "hip hop" fans these days like "pop hop" - so they get lumped in.
14 year old kids maybe. but then again those people wouldn't know who Rakim is either. those aren't hip hop fans, those are fans of whoever is hot at the moment.
There's so much "must have" albums by different artist that younger people haven't checked them yet. Myself, I still have to check some BIG names (which I probably would know much better if I lived in the states) unchecked. When I listen to an album, if its even average or a little above, I listen it through like 5-20 times, so it takes time. You can't say I am not a Hip Hop fan, simply because I haven't had time to check that shit out yet. But you can help me by telling me some dope albums by Big L, Scarface, UGK, Rakim.. Those are some of the ones that I still haven't checked (tho I've heard Emeritus).
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^listen to Eric. B & Rakim - "Paid In Full". ;)
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the lesson here is to be a fan not a stan
why would you care about a rating on an internet forum anyways?
Yeah I tend to just ignore the karma these days, anytime you say something opinionated, it usually drops instantly, and you never know who it is lol
i could careless, if my karma was -500 i wouldn't mind; it's just i like how it goes down for being a fan lol.
you really learn who you're talking to by watching your karma & knowing what conversations you're in when it goes down, etc.
Haha yeah but theres always those random lurkers who never say anything and hide in the shadows ;). +1 bruv
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Just saw this, for all those saying "Chamber Music" didn't crack the top 200...
121 Wu-Tang Presents... Chamber Music 4,000 14,000
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Wow those are huge numbers!LOL
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Wow those are huge numbers!LOL
Yeah they pushing Joe Budden numbers ;-), with no promo
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I'm pretty sure Chamber Music isn't a Wu Tang album. I thought it was supposed to be like a mixtape or something. Its missing half the group, every track features other rappers and it wasn't endorsed or promoted by any of the members.
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I'm pretty sure Chamber Music isn't a Wu Tang album. I thought it was supposed to be like a mixtape or something. Its missing half the group, every track features other rappers and it wasn't endorsed or promoted by any of the members.
So its quite impressive that its moved that amount. Its only got 8 full length tracks on it hasn't it?
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Just saw this, for all those saying "Chamber Music" didn't crack the top 200...
121 Wu-Tang Presents... Chamber Music 4,000 14,000
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LOL at this dumb thread . Now its on ? WTF joe budden never been on .... thats the whole point
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these 10 joe budden fans in the world are so gay . they dont get it that joe budden is a nobody
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But you can help me by telling me some dope albums by Big L..
You're way behind on your hip hop lol. Here's L's shit
Lifestylez Ov Da Poor & Dangerous
http://link-protector.com/223652/
The Big Picture
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=G918R5PK
http://rapidshare.com/files/218665122/Big_L-The_Big_Picture__1974-1999_-2000-GRAPEv0.rar
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these 10 joe budden fans in the world are so gay . they dont get it that joe budden is a nobody
stop being a bitch ass hater. seriously. you're as bad as Cham's stanning.
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I like how folks call someone a nobody but they're talking about a person they've never met or know in real life. If he's a nobody why are you talking about him? He's got to be a somebody if he's relevant enough to get the Wu to speak ill of him.
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I like how folks call someone a nobody but they're talking about a person they've never met or know in real life. If he's a nobody why are you talking about him? He's got to be a somebody if he's relevant enough to get the Wu to speak ill of him.
it's called envy; envy that somebody is a better rapper than their favorite. ;)
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So Cham, can I get ur opinion on your ranking of the best slaughterhouse MC's based only on their performance on the leaked songs or what?
And can anybody kinda explain this karma thing to me or are yall gonna leave me hanging?
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i think it goes Royce = Joey = Crooked > Joell in the group; that's how i look at it as individual rappers.
on an average basis song in & song out; Crooked I > Royce > Joey = Joell.
seems like everybody's argument or opinon on Joey go by his verses in Slaughterhouse though; really makes me question how many of you heard Halfway House or Padded Room lol.
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And can anybody kinda explain this karma thing to me or are yall gonna leave me hanging?
When you reach 500, you have the ability to + or -1 someone
(http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u82/dopewhiterapper/untitled-1.jpg)
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i think it goes Royce = Joey = Crooked > Joell in the group; that's how i look at it as individual rappers.
on an average basis song in & song out; Crooked I > Royce > Joey = Joell.
seems like everybody's argument or opinon on Joey go by his verses in Slaughterhouse though; really makes me question how many of you heard Halfway House or Padded Room lol.
So you think Joey performs better on his own than with other rappers? Because I think the only way to tell who is a better rapper is to put them on the same track together, and Crooked and Royce both come off better than Joe 4/5 times...
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yeah Cham,
we're not too far off on ranking based on just the SH songs.. So far I got it like this,
#1 - Crooked
#2 - Royce
#3 - Joell
#4 - Joe
And to me, Royce and Joell are kinda neck-in-neck. I can't decide which one of them had the 2nd best verse on Move On. I think for sure Crooked had the best, even Royce said, "Crooked got all of us on the Move On track"..
And I'm not even gonna try to rate them as individual artists, cuz I haven't been exposed to everybodys catalogs like that.
I've heard most of what Crooked has done. From Joe I got Padded Room, and I heard the mood musik mixtapes. From Royce, all I've heard is a few mixtape tracks and everything he did w/ Eminem and against D12 and all that. From Joell, I've honestly only heard like 4 or 5 total tracks.
But yeah, hopefully SH is dope enough to make me wanna listen to more from each artist.
And thanks Invincible for the info. I'd give u a +1 if I could, but I'm jus a lil geezy haha.
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With battle rappers that is the case.But budden is a better writer then lyricist.He has great concept tracks,great story telling ability,deep and introspective tracks.Joe is a very well rounded emcee.I think he excells in different areas then Royce and crook and joell.
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i think it goes Royce = Joey = Crooked > Joell in the group; that's how i look at it as individual rappers.
on an average basis song in & song out; Crooked I > Royce > Joey = Joell.
seems like everybody's argument or opinon on Joey go by his verses in Slaughterhouse though; really makes me question how many of you heard Halfway House or Padded Room lol.
So you think Joey performs better on his own than with other rappers? Because I think the only way to tell who is a better rapper is to put them on the same track together, and Crooked and Royce both come off better than Joe 4/5 times...
well you can have your way of judging rappers, but i'll go with Nuk because you CLEARLY need to hear albums or individual material to make that point lol.
With battle rappers that is the case.But budden is a better writer then lyricist.He has great concept tracks,great story telling ability,deep and introspective tracks.Joe is a very well rounded emcee.I think he excells in different areas then Royce and crook and joell.
co-sign.
Joey is a deeper rapper than the other 3, but Crooked is a better lyricist, Royce is an amazing lyricist with tons of emotion & Joell is another dope lyricist with a lot of passion on the mic.
but the other three can't make a songs like Exxxes or In My Sleep; i don't think they can anyway.
but all three are amazing, so comparing them isn't even fair; in my opinon the four best rappers putting in work today. 8)
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With battle rappers that is the case.But budden is a better writer then lyricist.He has great concept tracks,great story telling ability,deep and introspective tracks.Joe is a very well rounded emcee.I think he excells in different areas then Royce and crook and joell.
But doesn't everyone hype Budden as an amazing battle rapper? I know dukes a good emcee, but his flow and delivery just aren't up there enough for me to wanna listen to his lyrics in depth
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Joe budden is so horrible. Seriously he is fucking up slaughterhouse with his tabloid bullshit. Royce is prolly embarrassed.
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Joe budden is so horrible.
can i nominate this for a Dubcc award? it deserves "worst post of the year" or something along those lines. :laugh:
whose your favorite rapper bud?
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itd be supa great if GZA drop a diss on dat fool
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Joe budden is so horrible.
can i nominate this for a Dubcc award? it deserves "worst post of the year" or something along those lines. :laugh:
whose your favorite rapper bud?
"Horrible" even lol
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Joe budden is so horrible. Seriously he is fucking up slaughterhouse with his tabloid bullshit. Royce is prolly embarrassed.
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so, are there any songs out already? or just this bullshit..
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Royce has shown he can make songs like Exxes with Part of Me.
Royce is easily the most rounded artist of the group. Though, I think Budden's going to change some opinion with his new album.
I don't know what to say about Crooked-I because he hasn't been a great solo artist. Top not lyricist especially with the pre-written freestyles but beyond that...
Mr.Ortiz has the potential to be a legend when it's all said and done.
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these 10 joe budden fans in the world are so gay . they dont get it that joe budden is a nobody
why are there thousands of posters at joe buddentv.com?? its ok to not like him, thats ok - but hes clearly more of a "somebody" than 95 % of the rappers on west
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Royce has shown he can make songs like Exxes with Part of Me.
Royce is easily the most rounded artist of the group. Though, I think Budden's going to change some opinion with his new album.
I don't know what to say about Crooked-I because he hasn't been a great solo artist. Top not lyricist especially with the pre-written freestyles but beyond that...
Mr.Ortiz has the potential to be a legend when it's all said and done.
ehhhhh, Part of Me is a story telling thing; Exxxes had some people saying "why did he make a song about violent sex?" while that song was about how the person he use to be will always still be their, even if he is somebody new now.
but i can't front; Royce is probably the most rounded, but i don't know if he can hold a whole album like Budden just did (that's a serious statement btw, not a groupie defense thing lol).
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Royce has shown he can make songs like Exxes with Part of Me.
Royce is easily the most rounded artist of the group. Though, I think Budden's going to change some opinion with his new album.
I don't know what to say about Crooked-I because he hasn't been a great solo artist. Top not lyricist especially with the pre-written freestyles but beyond that...
Mr.Ortiz has the potential to be a legend when it's all said and done.
but i can't front; Royce is probably the most rounded, but i don't know if he can hold a whole album like Budden just did (that's a serious statement btw, not a groupie defense thing lol).
he has yet to prove it, but i think Street Hop is gonna be the one 8)
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Royce has shown he can make songs like Exxes with Part of Me.
Royce is easily the most rounded artist of the group. Though, I think Budden's going to change some opinion with his new album.
I don't know what to say about Crooked-I because he hasn't been a great solo artist. Top not lyricist especially with the pre-written freestyles but beyond that...
Mr.Ortiz has the potential to be a legend when it's all said and done.
but i can't front; Royce is probably the most rounded, but i don't know if he can hold a whole album like Budden just did (that's a serious statement btw, not a groupie defense thing lol).
he has yet to prove it, but i think Street Hop is gonna be the one 8)
i fuckin' hope so, i am basically equal stan to Budden & Royce. :P
that EP was fuckin' sick, even with 4 tracks.
this album should be a great one. 8)
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Royce has shown he can make songs like Exxes with Part of Me.
Royce is easily the most rounded artist of the group. Though, I think Budden's going to change some opinion with his new album.
I don't know what to say about Crooked-I because he hasn't been a great solo artist. Top not lyricist especially with the pre-written freestyles but beyond that...
Mr.Ortiz has the potential to be a legend when it's all said and done.
but i can't front; Royce is probably the most rounded, but i don't know if he can hold a whole album like Budden just did (that's a serious statement btw, not a groupie defense thing lol).
he has yet to prove it, but i think Street Hop is gonna be the one 8)
i fuckin' hope so, i am basically equal stan to Budden & Royce. :P
that EP was fuckin' sick, even with 4 tracks.
this album should be a great one. 8)
Premier brings out the best in him, and he has stepped his game up since Slaughterhouse was formed, so I have high hopes :D
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I'm thinking this Inspectah Deck situation will probably be addressed on that lp that Budden is supposed to drop in a couple weeks. It would kind of make sense that it shows up on his solo stuff. That way it might avoid implicating the rest of Slaughterhouse in this beef. That's if he even decides to address the situation at all.
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royce has been a rapper for years, so he can get up and leave doubt hes embarrassed
(altho right now he isnt, maybe later lol)
Joe budden is so horrible. Seriously he is fucking up slaughterhouse with his tabloid bullshit. Royce is prolly embarrassed.
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joe budden is 100 times better then inspectah
case closed
thread closed
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yeah thats a tuff one, IMO INS isnt wack, but when joe goes in on his crazy raps (which IMO he doesnt do often) he can do some damage
INS might have some competition here
and sides, IMO INS was doin more of a backin up his crew vs tryna go at joe (altho it looks different)
joe budden is 100 times better then inspectah
case closed
thread closed
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yea exactly what i thought he was just backing them up, but did they really have to be backed up :-\
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no they didnt, but INS is more of the underground rapper so I guess it could have been his chance to get some publicity off this, cuz otherwise he might never get it-whether wu tang releases muzik or not even himself
maybe him doin this would get his name back out there vs him releasin a album or wu tang releasin a album
but then again now that i think bout it, method man might hurt his career life even more by even tryna respond with a real diss track, which is why he went sideways and did the "this N*gga cant fuck me or redman, anyday" type talk
but that dont mean shit, if in fact joe can crush method, which by the looks of it, joe could possibly
bottomline, they both bitches for this
joe for not goin in on red n meth hardbody
red n meth for not makin a real diss track and jus talkin
(i hope the INS or whatever it is joe has made, diss song is released and maybe some dope muzik would come outta that)
yea exactly what i thought he was just backing them up, but did they really have to be backed up :-\
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I think people underrate Inspectah Deck. His solo shit is dope.
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I think people underrate Inspectah Deck. His solo shit is dope.
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Royce has shown he can make songs like Exxes with Part of Me.
Royce is easily the most rounded artist of the group. Though, I think Budden's going to change some opinion with his new album.
I don't know what to say about Crooked-I because he hasn't been a great solo artist. Top not lyricist especially with the pre-written freestyles but beyond that...
Mr.Ortiz has the potential to be a legend when it's all said and done.
but i can't front; Royce is probably the most rounded, but i don't know if he can hold a whole album like Budden just did (that's a serious statement btw, not a groupie defense thing lol).
he has yet to prove it, but i think Street Hop is gonna be the one 8)
i fuckin' hope so, i am basically equal stan to Budden & Royce. :P
that EP was fuckin' sick, even with 4 tracks.
this album should be a great one. 8)
Have y'all ever heard Death is Certain ... a very solid and the the only worth album of Royce so far
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damn this thread is poppin' like this and it's only Joe Budden VS Inspectah Deck :o
this thread would be double if any other members of either side got involved... real shit
but I'm a fan of both Wu-Tang and Slaughterhouse 8)
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this threads still alive?
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Royce has shown he can make songs like Exxes with Part of Me.
Royce is easily the most rounded artist of the group. Though, I think Budden's going to change some opinion with his new album.
I don't know what to say about Crooked-I because he hasn't been a great solo artist. Top not lyricist especially with the pre-written freestyles but beyond that...
Mr.Ortiz has the potential to be a legend when it's all said and done.
but i can't front; Royce is probably the most rounded, but i don't know if he can hold a whole album like Budden just did (that's a serious statement btw, not a groupie defense thing lol).
he has yet to prove it, but i think Street Hop is gonna be the one 8)
i fuckin' hope so, i am basically equal stan to Budden & Royce. :P
that EP was fuckin' sick, even with 4 tracks.
this album should be a great one. 8)
Have y'all ever heard Death is Certain ... a very solid and the the only worth album of Royce so far
i personally think that Street Hop is going to be far greater, Royce is spittin' that dope shit! 8)
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Royce has shown he can make songs like Exxes with Part of Me.
Royce is easily the most rounded artist of the group. Though, I think Budden's going to change some opinion with his new album.
I don't know what to say about Crooked-I because he hasn't been a great solo artist. Top not lyricist especially with the pre-written freestyles but beyond that...
Mr.Ortiz has the potential to be a legend when it's all said and done.
but i can't front; Royce is probably the most rounded, but i don't know if he can hold a whole album like Budden just did (that's a serious statement btw, not a groupie defense thing lol).
he has yet to prove it, but i think Street Hop is gonna be the one 8)
i fuckin' hope so, i am basically equal stan to Budden & Royce. :P
that EP was fuckin' sick, even with 4 tracks.
this album should be a great one. 8)
Have y'all ever heard Death is Certain ... a very solid and the the only worth album of Royce so far
i personally think that Street Hop is going to be far greater, Royce is spittin' that dope shit! 8)
woah dk bout tht...death is certain is royces me against the world
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Death is certain is nowhere near Me against the world
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Death is certain is nowhere near Me against the world
i didnt mean it lik tht im sayin thats royces best cd
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eli porter has a bigger buzz then joe buddens.
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Your name is pete,your opinion isn't relevant
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there you go with your homosexual tendancies callin out my name.
leave that to your moms you fruit cup...
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eli porter has a bigger buzz then joe buddens.
lmao
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eli porter has a bigger buzz then joe buddens.
care to explain what that means?
Budden >>> your favorite. ;) 8)
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LOL this thread reeks of nerds. arguing over who's lyrical smfh
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cham click you a fool
care to explain, nah dont bother budden>>>your favorite rapper lol
eli porter has a bigger buzz then joe buddens.
care to explain what that means?
Budden >>> your favorite. ;) 8)
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cham click you a fool
care to explain, nah dont bother budden>>>your favorite rapper lol
eli porter has a bigger buzz then joe buddens.
care to explain what that means?
Budden >>> your favorite. ;) 8)
na, that's just in most cases. :P
but i don't understand why at least 10 people in this thread are talking about Joe Budden's sales, hype or buzz.
people ALWAYS run to that when they can't just admit dude is an amazing rapper; why can't it stick to the music?
i'll be one billion dollars (serious) more people know Joe Budden than Inspectah Deck; minus Wu-Tang & even less people would know him. :laugh:
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cham you seem like a cool dude so i wont crush your dreams but trust me when i say this...
joe buddens buzz does NOT extend pass the lil internet blogosphere world...i been shittin bootlegs for years as a side hustle and i aint NEVER in my whole time as a bootlegger had anybody ask me for a joe buddens hook up.
he got a few bangers but not consistant enough to be a factor...
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nah i feel what your sayin as far as INS bein known, nah hes still underground
and maybe budden is more known than INS, not sure honestly i havent got into the
"have you heard of INS or budden"? with anyone especially out here on the west
member tho budden has been hot last couple years where as INS bein low
cham click you a fool
care to explain, nah dont bother budden>>>your favorite rapper lol
eli porter has a bigger buzz then joe buddens.
care to explain what that means?
Budden >>> your favorite. ;) 8)
na, that's just in most cases. :P
but i don't understand why at least 10 people in this thread are talking about Joe Budden's sales, hype or buzz.
people ALWAYS run to that when they can't just admit dude is an amazing rapper; why can't it stick to the music?
i'll be one billion dollars (serious) more people know Joe Budden than Inspectah Deck; minus Wu-Tang & even less people would know him. :laugh:
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royce announced that the wu vs slaughterhouse beef is over on stage at rock the bells
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cham you seem like a cool dude so i wont crush your dreams but trust me when i say this...
joe buddens buzz does NOT extend pass the lil internet blogosphere world...i been shittin bootlegs for years as a side hustle and i aint NEVER in my whole time as a bootlegger had anybody ask me for a joe buddens hook up.
he got a few bangers but not consistant enough to be a factor...
yeah, but you got guys asking you for Inspectah Deck shit? c'mon now.
but it doesn't matter, because i will never understand how hype determines skill; if so, Wayne should be the best rapper alive.
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Petey just a euro wigger who deals in Kenny g and finding nemo bootlegs
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Petey just a euro wigger who deals in Kenny g and finding nemo bootlegs
your a wanna be body builder named "ab normal" thats the gayest corniest shit i ever heard of in my entire life lmfao...
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Joe Budden apologized to Meth ::)
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Joe Budden apologized to Meth ::)
i think joeys in competition with the game on who can be most bipolar.
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Joe Budden apologized to Meth ::)
i think joeys in competition with the game on who can be most bipolar.
LOL, why's that?
Joe Budden was ready to go to war with Inspectah Deck & his own group stopped him. :laugh:
Slaughterhouse (minus Joey) stopped this beef from taking place. :laugh:
EDIT: you're also forgetting that he said if anybody tries some slick shit & brings up his name like that, it's over & he's going at them lol.
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Joe Budden apologized to Meth ::)
i think joeys in competition with the game on who can be most bipolar.
LOL, why's that?
Joe Budden was ready to go to war with Inspectah Deck & his own group stopped him. :laugh:
Slaughterhouse (minus Joey) stopped this beef from taking place. :laugh:
EDIT: you're also forgetting that he said if anybody tries some slick shit & brings up his name like that, it's over & he's going at them lol.
by joe buddens adding if anybody tries some slick shit & brings up his name like that, it's over & he's going at them makes the apology mean nothing at all. you can't Apologize & then talk shit after it. it just don't work that way .-he had to apologize then shut his mouth & bow his head. joe buddens showed no respect at all by the way he did .that is why i don't respect rappers like buddens who came after 97 because they have no respect .
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Yeah, it's stupid to talk shit and then all of a sudden apologize, even more stupid is doin' that same shit more than once.
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LOL I like its all buddens fault like inspectah deck didn't just release a diss track and say fuck him on stage.Shut up Midwest and go listen to some wack ass j kwon
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Joe Budden apologized to Meth ::)
i think joeys in competition with the game on who can be most bipolar.
LOL, why's that?
Joe Budden was ready to go to war with Inspectah Deck & his own group stopped him. :laugh:
Slaughterhouse (minus Joey) stopped this beef from taking place. :laugh:
EDIT: you're also forgetting that he said if anybody tries some slick shit & brings up his name like that, it's over & he's going at them lol.
by joe buddens adding if anybody tries some slick shit & brings up his name like that, it's over & he's going at them makes the apology mean nothing at all. you can't Apologize & then talk shit after it. it just don't work that way .-he had to apologize then shut his mouth & bow his head. joe buddens showed no respect at all by the way he did .that is why i don't respect rappers like buddens who came after 97 because they have no respect .
LOL @ the "post-97" thing.
c'mon now, that is why rap "dead" because people are afraid to admit people after 2000 (97 in your case) are better than the pre-2000 era.
all Joe Budden said was he was better than anybody on a Vibe bracket of rappers today (not even all time) & Meth took offense.
how is it talking shit though? he's just making it known that "if" they say something again then it's on; but Wu has no reason to say anything anyway, so it's basically over.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6ZEwkIl7I4&feature=player_embedded
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proposin to that female in which hell prolly be splittin from (or more likely shell be leavin lol) soon
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^how do you walk away from an ass like that?
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how's this threads still alive?
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LOL I like its all buddens fault like inspectah deck didn't just release a diss track and say fuck him on stage.Shut up Midwest and go listen to some wack ass j kwon
grow up loser because it is mostley all of joe buddens fault . go listen to gay ass new school . i like every other member of slaughterhouse except joe budden. this just shows why hip hop is so messed up because we have ignorant people like you who hate the truth about artists like joe budden . joe buddens starts beef then runs. so shut up with you crap little boy because i been with hip hop since 82 making me expert compared to you
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LOL I like its all buddens fault like inspectah deck didn't just release a diss track and say fuck him on stage.Shut up Midwest and go listen to some wack ass j kwon
grow up loser because it is mostley all of joe buddens fault . gop listne to gay ass new school . i likke every other member of slaughterhouse except joe budden. this just shows why hip hop is so messed up because we have ignorant people like you who hate the turth about artists like joe budden . joe buddens statrs beef then runs. so shut up wuth oyu crap little oby because i been with hip ho sonce 82 maing me expert compared to your
lol, you clearly don't know what took place; but anything to get Budden in a negative light will work for you, right? :laugh:
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LOL I like its all buddens fault like inspectah deck didn't just release a diss track and say fuck him on stage.Shut up Midwest and go listen to some wack ass j kwon
grow up loser because it is mostley all of joe buddens fault . go listen to gay ass new school . i like every other member of slaughterhouse except joe budden. this just shows why hip hop is so messed up because we have ignorant people like you who hate the truth about artists like joe budden . joe buddens starts beef then runs. so shut up with you crap little boy because i been with hip hop since 82 making me expert compared to you
lol, you clearly don't know what took place; but anything to get Budden in a negative light will work for you, right? :laugh:
i do know what took place but he started it with method man of wu tang .. so if you mess with one member of wu tang then you mess with them all. no i was not the one who put Budden in a negative light . it is joe buddens fault he is looked in negative light. it is not my fault every time he starts a beef he runs after he starts . i am just speaking the facts most you buddens stans don't like to here . buddens is shit started who never finishes it
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this kind of shit is why the east coast stays losing right now...no unity and everyone over there stays dissing eachother...
from cam and the dips to g unit and joe buddens and wutang niggas cant stay on the same page and they are feeling the same burn LA hip hop was feeling in the late nineties.
east coast hip hop is on self destruct mode
the more successful the south is getting the more they are starting to turn bitch too and they will fall off in the same fashion.
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LOL I like its all buddens fault like inspectah deck didn't just release a diss track and say fuck him on stage.Shut up Midwest and go listen to some wack ass j kwon
grow up loser because it is mostley all of joe buddens fault . go listen to gay ass new school . i like every other member of slaughterhouse except joe budden. this just shows why hip hop is so messed up because we have ignorant people like you who hate the truth about artists like joe budden . joe buddens starts beef then runs. so shut up with you crap little boy because i been with hip hop since 82 making me expert compared to you
lol, you clearly don't know what took place; but anything to get Budden in a negative light will work for you, right? :laugh:
i do know what took place but he started it with method man of wu tang .. so if you mess with one member of wu tang then you mess with them all. no i was not the one who put Budden in a negative light . it is joe buddens fault he is looked in negative light. it is not my fault every time he starts a beef he runs after he starts . i am just speaking the facts most you buddens stans don't like to here . buddens is shit started who never finishes it
1. Joe Budden said he is better than anybody on a Vibe "Best Rapper" Bracket.
2. Method Man took offense to it & wanted to fight Joey, physically
3. Joe Budden basically dissed him on his "Death of Autotune Freestyle" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNyz4rUKU8M
4. shit kind of cooled off, there was some tension floating around, but it was definatly cooled down.
5. about a month & a half later Inspectah Deck released "House Nigga", just out of the blue lol. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GULSipqPC0
6. Deck followed up by going on stage with Wu-Tang at Rock The Bells & said "Fuck Joe Budden".
7. Joe Budden was ready to go off & diss them back, but Slaughterhouse told him not to; but apparently that makes him a bitch because he was "suppose to" just ignore his group who are releasing an album in 3 weeks. ::)
8. Joe Budden & Wu Tang finally put it past them & Joe Budden apologized, but then said "If Wu says my name in a bad way again, i am going at them & Slaughterhouse won't even be able to stop me".
9. beef over.
so basically, if Wu-Tang really wanted problems with Jumpoff they could just say "Fuck Joe Budden" again & they could have some beef, but they haven't, so who ran? ;)
& always runs away? he dissed Jay-Z, Game, G-Unit & Prodigy & owned them with disses; the only way i can see somebody saying those diss tracks to them were poor, is if you're a real straight up hater lol.
*smiles at the intense karma drop* 8)
EDIT: like in between 3 & 4 of what i wrote, Joe Budden called into Power 105.1 to talk about the situation & Method Man waited until Joe Budden got off the phone to call in. :laugh:
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lol it be hard too i know cham, jus sayin its virtually impossible to stay "married" as in stay loyal especially when you got a girl wit a big azz like that
^how do you walk away from an ass like that?
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You're implying that all women with nice fat ass and a pleasant figure have a weak will power to other men or that they're gold diggers who use their looks to get to the next richest man?
What the fuck?
This conversation is moot because you're showing your sexism and it has nothing to do with anything.
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nah im sayin since theyre more in the spotlight chances of it lastin arent that good...like many other examples
but its not entirely impossible for it to last
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shit just got therapeutic in here....your inner child is suffering!!!!!
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Joe budden is so horrible.
can i nominate this for a Dubcc award? it deserves "worst post of the year" or something along those lines. :laugh:
whose your favorite rapper bud?
Slow your roll junior your arms are too short to box w/ God...
JOE BUDDEN SUCKS. He's been grossly overhyped since he first got signed to Def Jam back like 6,7 years ago. I realize that you were prolly still in diapers so I don't hold it against you that you don't understand. He's known for one song that came out a while back, and even that shit was wack.
I mean nobody outside of his e-team even remember this guy. His legacy will be Pump It Up and the fact that he's a fucking idiot disrespecting the very people that made it possible for his wack ass to have a "career" if you can call it that.
People only mention Meth in this, but he disrespected a ton of legends that did way more for Hip Hop overall and made infinitely better music than him.
Budden bragging about being able to outrap Rakim in 2009 is equivalent to some no name street baller bragging that he could beat Bill Russell in a one-on-one game in 2009. Congratulations Joe, you're a fucking idiot.
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Joe budden is so horrible.
can i nominate this for a Dubcc award? it deserves "worst post of the year" or something along those lines. :laugh:
whose your favorite rapper bud?
Slow your roll junior your arms are too short to box w/ God...
JOE BUDDEN SUCKS. He's been grossly overhyped since he first got signed to Def Jam back like 6,7 years ago. I realize that you were prolly still in diapers so I don't hold it against you that you don't understand. He's known for one song that came out a while back, and even that shit was wack.
I mean nobody outside of his e-team even remember this guy. His legacy will be Pump It Up and the fact that he's a fucking idiot disrespecting the very people that made it possible for his wack ass to have a "career" if you can call it that.
People only mention Meth in this, but he disrespected a ton of legends that did way more for Hip Hop overall and made infinitely better music than him.
Budden bragging about being able to outrap Rakim in 2009 is equivalent to some no name street baller bragging that he could beat Bill Russell in a one-on-one game in 2009. Congratulations Joe, you're a fucking idiot.
LOL, so basically you just don't like him?
you mention his legacy, what he will be remembered by; alright, be that as it may, he's still putting out some of the dopest music.
you mention he disrespecting "tons" of legends, but what does that mean? how does it affect the music he puts out?
you call him a "fucking idiot", again...does not affect the music he is putting out.
he is one of the better rappers putting out music today, i don't see why your hate for him gets in your way of appreciating his music; because so far all of your dislikes are personal. :-X
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whos this Joe Budden guy?
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whos this Joe Budden guy?
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lol :D
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cham,let it ride homie. your wasting your time and breath. re- read jromes post again and ask yourself why you responded lol.
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Budden bragging about being able to outrap Rakim in 2009 is equivalent to some no name street baller bragging that he could beat Bill Russell in a one-on-one game in 2009. Congratulations Joe, you're a fucking idiot.
He didn't actually say this or did he? I'm sure it would've made headlines.
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Budden bragging about being able to outrap Rakim in 2009 is equivalent to some no name street baller bragging that he could beat Bill Russell in a one-on-one game in 2009. Congratulations Joe, you're a fucking idiot.
He didn't actually say this or did he? I'm sure it would've made headlines.
no, he said alot hes better than alot of them...only one he mentioned by name was Meth.
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He said he was better then half of them.which is true.when they have people like Mc hammer and bow wow on the list
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Why the fuck does Budden care? Its a joke of a contest. I don't even know who's on the list cuz I haven't wasted my time with that shit. But if its anything as bad as the first contest, he probably is better than half the rappers on there.
He shouldn't be complaining. The contest is a joke so his placement on there doesn't matter. And if it were a legit greatest rapper contest he wouldn't make the list.
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I think thats what some are sayin tho, that budden should be on the greatest rapper list
Why the fuck does Budden care? Its a joke of a contest. I don't even know who's on the list cuz I haven't wasted my time with that shit. But if its anything as bad as the first contest, he probably is better than half the rappers on there.
He shouldn't be complaining. The contest is a joke so his placement on there doesn't matter. And if it were a legit greatest rapper contest he wouldn't make the list.
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cham,let it ride homie. your wasting your time and breath. re- read jromes post again and ask yourself why you responded lol.
aiiiiii, aiiiii, i dig it homie. 8)
i read it, i am clueless to why i even bothered. :P
BUT...
And if it were a legit greatest rapper contest he wouldn't make the list.
LOL!
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If someone would have told me a thread based on Wu Tang and Joe Budden would be 9 pages I would have not believed it. God Damn lol
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anything to do wit rap/hip-hop will have a gang of pages on it, cuz some worship this muzik
whether its wayne havin 10 pages.....id be 10 pages of why hes wack
or of why rza n gza can still spit
If someone would have told me a thread based on Wu Tang and Joe Budden would be 9 pages I would have not believed it. God Damn lol
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I think thats what some are sayin tho, that budden should be on the greatest rapper list
Why the fuck does Budden care? Its a joke of a contest. I don't even know who's on the list cuz I haven't wasted my time with that shit. But if its anything as bad as the first contest, he probably is better than half the rappers on there.
He shouldn't be complaining. The contest is a joke so his placement on there doesn't matter. And if it were a legit greatest rapper contest he wouldn't make the list.
In a LEGIT greatest rapper contest? Of all fucking time? No way. Most of the rappers in Vibe's contest wouldn't make it.
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nah im not sayin he should or shouldnt make the list but thats what some are claimin
hes dope, but i mean to be great isnt as easy as makin a sandwich lol
I think thats what some are sayin tho, that budden should be on the greatest rapper list
Why the fuck does Budden care? Its a joke of a contest. I don't even know who's on the list cuz I haven't wasted my time with that shit. But if its anything as bad as the first contest, he probably is better than half the rappers on there.
He shouldn't be complaining. The contest is a joke so his placement on there doesn't matter. And if it were a legit greatest rapper contest he wouldn't make the list.
In a LEGIT greatest rapper contest? Of all fucking time? No way. Most of the rappers in Vibe's contest wouldn't make it.
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I think thats what some are sayin tho, that budden should be on the greatest rapper list
Why the fuck does Budden care? Its a joke of a contest. I don't even know who's on the list cuz I haven't wasted my time with that shit. But if its anything as bad as the first contest, he probably is better than half the rappers on there.
He shouldn't be complaining. The contest is a joke so his placement on there doesn't matter. And if it were a legit greatest rapper contest he wouldn't make the list.
In a LEGIT greatest rapper contest? Of all fucking time? No way. Most of the rappers in Vibe's contest wouldn't make it.
funny i don't remember Joe Budden complaing about Big L, Eminem or Tupac being on that list lmao.
50 Cent at a 7 seed? Missy Eliot? a higher seed than Joey?
look at everybody who was a 32 seed, Joe Budden, Plies, Chubb Rock & a Bye LOL.
rap is truly dead if you think Joe Budden is in that class of rappers.
LOL, Bow Wow was a higher seed than Joey.
knock it off with Pump It Up, it's definatly the only song most of you guys heard. :laugh:
AZ at 30? nobody has any complaints about that? :laugh:
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even overall az shouldnt be at 30, az hasnt spit the same in years
joe is dope and thats it lol
fuck that list tho
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I think thats what some are sayin tho, that budden should be on the greatest rapper list
Why the fuck does Budden care? Its a joke of a contest. I don't even know who's on the list cuz I haven't wasted my time with that shit. But if its anything as bad as the first contest, he probably is better than half the rappers on there.
He shouldn't be complaining. The contest is a joke so his placement on there doesn't matter. And if it were a legit greatest rapper contest he wouldn't make the list.
In a LEGIT greatest rapper contest? Of all fucking time? No way. Most of the rappers in Vibe's contest wouldn't make it.
funny i don't remember Joe Budden complaing about Big L, Eminem or Tupac being on that list lmao.
50 Cent at a 7 seed? Missy Eliot? a higher seed than Joey?
look at everybody who was a 32 seed, Joe Budden, Plies, Chubb Rock & a Bye LOL.
rap is truly dead if you think Joe Budden is in that class of rappers.
LOL, Bow Wow was a higher seed than Joey.
knock it off with Pump It Up, it's definatly the only song most of you guys heard. :laugh:
AZ at 30? nobody has any complaints about that? :laugh:
I didn't put Budden in with any class of rappers....all I said was he wouldn't be in a real contest. Most of the rappers in this list are rappers who have been getting some buzz in the past few years, its basically a popularity contest. It doesn't take into account the overall impact in hip hop, a genre that has been around for almost 40 years.
Its a complete joke of a contest and its meaningless, so why bother complaining?
btw I think Em won again, not that it matters.
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nah i feel what your sayin
but wait what you mean em won again? lol
I think thats what some are sayin tho, that budden should be on the greatest rapper list
Why the fuck does Budden care? Its a joke of a contest. I don't even know who's on the list cuz I haven't wasted my time with that shit. But if its anything as bad as the first contest, he probably is better than half the rappers on there.
He shouldn't be complaining. The contest is a joke so his placement on there doesn't matter. And if it were a legit greatest rapper contest he wouldn't make the list.
In a LEGIT greatest rapper contest? Of all fucking time? No way. Most of the rappers in Vibe's contest wouldn't make it.
funny i don't remember Joe Budden complaing about Big L, Eminem or Tupac being on that list lmao.
50 Cent at a 7 seed? Missy Eliot? a higher seed than Joey?
look at everybody who was a 32 seed, Joe Budden, Plies, Chubb Rock & a Bye LOL.
rap is truly dead if you think Joe Budden is in that class of rappers.
LOL, Bow Wow was a higher seed than Joey.
knock it off with Pump It Up, it's definatly the only song most of you guys heard. :laugh:
AZ at 30? nobody has any complaints about that? :laugh:
I didn't put Budden in with any class of rappers....all I said was he wouldn't be in a real contest. Most of the rappers in this list are rappers who have been getting some buzz in the past few years, its basically a popularity contest.
Its a complete joke of a contest and its meaningless, so why bother complaining?
btw I think Em won again, not that it matters.
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Joe budden is so horrible.
can i nominate this for a Dubcc award? it deserves "worst post of the year" or something along those lines. :laugh:
whose your favorite rapper bud?
Slow your roll junior your arms are too short to box w/ God...
JOE BUDDEN SUCKS. He's been grossly overhyped since he first got signed to Def Jam back like 6,7 years ago. I realize that you were prolly still in diapers so I don't hold it against you that you don't understand. He's known for one song that came out a while back, and even that shit was wack.
I mean nobody outside of his e-team even remember this guy. His legacy will be Pump It Up and the fact that he's a fucking idiot disrespecting the very people that made it possible for his wack ass to have a "career" if you can call it that.
People only mention Meth in this, but he disrespected a ton of legends that did way more for Hip Hop overall and made infinitely better music than him.
Budden bragging about being able to outrap Rakim in 2009 is equivalent to some no name street baller bragging that he could beat Bill Russell in a one-on-one game in 2009. Congratulations Joe, you're a fucking idiot.
LOL, so basically you just don't like him?
you mention his legacy, what he will be remembered by; alright, be that as it may, he's still putting out some of the dopest music.
you mention he disrespecting "tons" of legends, but what does that mean? how does it affect the music he puts out?
you call him a "fucking idiot", again...does not affect the music he is putting out.
he is one of the better rappers putting out music today, i don't see why your hate for him gets in your way of appreciating his music; because so far all of your dislikes are personal. :-X
Did you even read what I posted? I said Joey's been overrated since day 1. He has zero charisma on the mic, boring as shit. He's a glorified battle rapper and that's it. Nothing personal whatsoever homeboy.
Buddens is puttin out the dopest music? That's news to me - he's been around for like 7 years and he still has 5,000 fans. You'd think more people woulda caught on by now.. And yet you same 5,000 fans put Joey in your top 10 lists and shit, tell everybody they're a hater if they don't agree, and overrate the shit out of him. Joey is good as the #3 guy in Slaugterhouse. Maybe that'll challenge him and improve him as an mc. But I just dont see him evolving past who he is now, which is a battle rapper, spittin phores and sims, and being boring on top of all that.
I think it's you who's taking it personal with the "oh yeah, who's your favorite rapper" and "worst post ever" shit. You related to dude or somethin? You captain of the e-team?
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cham,let it ride homie. your wasting your time and breath. re- read jromes post again and ask yourself why you responded lol.
Care to elaborate?
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He said he was better then half of them.which is true.when they have people like Mc hammer and bow wow on the list
Meth is not in the same category as those 2. You can take any verse from Meth in his first few years and it's>>>>>>Budden's whole career.
I could understand Budden's gripe w/ those 2 guys being on there, but he called out Wu. Like I said, dude is just an idiot.
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I think thats what some are sayin tho, that budden should be on the greatest rapper list
Why the fuck does Budden care? Its a joke of a contest. I don't even know who's on the list cuz I haven't wasted my time with that shit. But if its anything as bad as the first contest, he probably is better than half the rappers on there.
He shouldn't be complaining. The contest is a joke so his placement on there doesn't matter. And if it were a legit greatest rapper contest he wouldn't make the list.
In a LEGIT greatest rapper contest? Of all fucking time? No way. Most of the rappers in Vibe's contest wouldn't make it.
Budden fans actually believe this.
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I think thats what some are sayin tho, that budden should be on the greatest rapper list
Why the fuck does Budden care? Its a joke of a contest. I don't even know who's on the list cuz I haven't wasted my time with that shit. But if its anything as bad as the first contest, he probably is better than half the rappers on there.
He shouldn't be complaining. The contest is a joke so his placement on there doesn't matter. And if it were a legit greatest rapper contest he wouldn't make the list.
In a LEGIT greatest rapper contest? Of all fucking time? No way. Most of the rappers in Vibe's contest wouldn't make it.
look at everybody who was a 32 seed, Joe Budden, Plies, Chubb Rock & a Bye LOL.
rap is truly dead if you think Joe Budden is in that class of rappers.
AZ at 30? nobody has any complaints about that? :laugh:
For Chubb Rock to be included w/ the likes of Plies and Joe Budden is damn near tragic, lol. Chubster could rip a mic in half. Please don't speak on shit you obviously have no clue about.
What's wrong w/ AZ at 30? Like what are you basing your rankings on?
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these young cats aint respecting the work people like AZ, chubb rock put in...there wouldnt be a heavy d if there were never a chubb rock and there wouldnt be a BIG if there were never a heavy D...
AZ layed down one of the greatest verses of all times and no one can take that away from him.
method man and the wu brought the eastcoast back to prominence when the WC cats were the only ones selling records....
when you look at it like that what has budden ever done for rap besides bring a fly bitch with a big ass in the game?
i wont say buddens untalented i would say hes an underachiever.
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I think thats what some are sayin tho, that budden should be on the greatest rapper list
Why the fuck does Budden care? Its a joke of a contest. I don't even know who's on the list cuz I haven't wasted my time with that shit. But if its anything as bad as the first contest, he probably is better than half the rappers on there.
He shouldn't be complaining. The contest is a joke so his placement on there doesn't matter. And if it were a legit greatest rapper contest he wouldn't make the list.
In a LEGIT greatest rapper contest? Of all fucking time? No way. Most of the rappers in Vibe's contest wouldn't make it.
look at everybody who was a 32 seed, Joe Budden, Plies, Chubb Rock & a Bye LOL.
rap is truly dead if you think Joe Budden is in that class of rappers.
AZ at 30? nobody has any complaints about that? :laugh:
For Chubb Rock to be included w/ the likes of Plies and Joe Budden is damn near tragic, lol. Chubster could rip a mic in half. Please don't speak on shit you obviously have no clue about.
What's wrong w/ AZ at 30? Like what are you basing your rankings on?
i don't care how bad my karma goes down from saying this but AZ is a better overall rapper than ODB & he was at 11.
AZ is better than 50 Cent at 7, how he could be a 30 seed is beyond me lol.
my personal favorite is how you guys still don't understand, did you even watch the video of him speaking on it or just talking out of your ass?
he said he was better than half of the people in the contest, then went on to say just 50 of them, then you guys go on to act like he said he deserves to win the contest, i don't think he should win; you guys are stuck in the past.
if the contest was according to 2009, with people of today, i could see only his Slaughterhouse peers beating him & none of them were even on this list lol.
Joe budden is so horrible.
can i nominate this for a Dubcc award? it deserves "worst post of the year" or something along those lines. :laugh:
whose your favorite rapper bud?
Slow your roll junior your arms are too short to box w/ God...
JOE BUDDEN SUCKS. He's been grossly overhyped since he first got signed to Def Jam back like 6,7 years ago. I realize that you were prolly still in diapers so I don't hold it against you that you don't understand. He's known for one song that came out a while back, and even that shit was wack.
I mean nobody outside of his e-team even remember this guy. His legacy will be Pump It Up and the fact that he's a fucking idiot disrespecting the very people that made it possible for his wack ass to have a "career" if you can call it that.
People only mention Meth in this, but he disrespected a ton of legends that did way more for Hip Hop overall and made infinitely better music than him.
Budden bragging about being able to outrap Rakim in 2009 is equivalent to some no name street baller bragging that he could beat Bill Russell in a one-on-one game in 2009. Congratulations Joe, you're a fucking idiot.
LOL, so basically you just don't like him?
you mention his legacy, what he will be remembered by; alright, be that as it may, he's still putting out some of the dopest music.
you mention he disrespecting "tons" of legends, but what does that mean? how does it affect the music he puts out?
you call him a "fucking idiot", again...does not affect the music he is putting out.
he is one of the better rappers putting out music today, i don't see why your hate for him gets in your way of appreciating his music; because so far all of your dislikes are personal. :-X
Did you even read what I posted? I said Joey's been overrated since day 1. He has zero charisma on the mic, boring as shit. He's a glorified battle rapper and that's it. Nothing personal whatsoever homeboy.
Buddens is puttin out the dopest music? That's news to me - he's been around for like 7 years and he still has 5,000 fans. You'd think more people woulda caught on by now.. And yet you same 5,000 fans put Joey in your top 10 lists and shit, tell everybody they're a hater if they don't agree, and overrate the shit out of him. Joey is good as the #3 guy in Slaugterhouse. Maybe that'll challenge him and improve him as an mc. But I just dont see him evolving past who he is now, which is a battle rapper, spittin phores and sims, and being boring on top of all that.
I think it's you who's taking it personal with the "oh yeah, who's your favorite rapper" and "worst post ever" shit. You related to dude or somethin? You captain of the e-team?
LOL, i did read the entire thing, but i don't see how it relates to music at all. :laugh:
what do the amount of fans the guy has determine his skill on the mic? you don't have to like him, but when you say retarded shit like "Joe Budden sucks" like he on some Soulja Boy status, you're clearly a hater. "i don't care for his music" that's one thing, "Joe Budden sucks"? & the reason why is because he is "overhyped" (but only has a pathetic "5000" fans, right? LOL), because he will be remember for Pump It Up & he's "dissed legends", those were your reasons for why he "sucks" & that has, NOTHING to do with music LMAO! it's all personal shit you don't like about him. :laugh: how about you give me some bullshit elaborate explaination of why he sucks dealing with music. make up how you "heard" Mood Muzik or Halfway House LOL.
& i'd like to know how me asking who somebodies favorite rapper is (who still won't answer, because they know that the reasons he listed for Joe Budden fit his favorite too lol) taking it personal?
i would put up this argument for any rapper i liked, even a little bit, if that rapper got such BULLSHIT reasons for why he "sucks" LOL.
but i'm a groupie for explaing why Joe Budden isn't a bad rapper? like i said "i don't care for his music" is one thing, but to say "he sucks" & give reasons that makes ZERO sense is clearly hating. :laugh:
10 people have said "he has no charisma", but if you listened to his music, you would know he does. :laugh:
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i feel what your sayin cham click, some real talk
you puttin alotta work in for the slaughterhouse big dogg
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i feel what your sayin cham click, some real talk
you puttin alotta work in for the slaughterhouse big dogg
that album is going to be good great amazing.
you pumped? 8)
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If someone would have told me a thread based on Wu Tang and Joe Budden would be 9 pages I would have not believed it. God Damn lol
there are only two things that can drive a thread this boring that far.
-groupies
-haters
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on some real shit im not and the reasons im not are cuz
-from what ive heard the traxx on their dont sound bangin, hope im wrong
-they have skits, i fuckin hate skits
-and they might not have included my favorite traxx
so well see, but as of right now im not sold on it
but im interested to see how joe budden grows/grew on this album and i want to see what he brought especially since its a group effort
so overall im not as hyped as i was before cuz it doesnt sound amazin anymore
i feel what your sayin cham click, some real talk
you puttin alotta work in for the slaughterhouse big dogg
that album is going to be good great amazing.
you pumped? 8)
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^if you don't mind listening to snippets, in the "Slaughterhouse Tracklisting" thread, Hack put up the official tracklist on page 3; if you click on the Amazon.com link, you can bump some snippets.
if you need some motivation to get pumped. :P
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i don't care how bad my karma goes down from saying this but AZ is a better overall rapper than ODB & he was at 11.
AZ is better than 50 Cent at 7, how he could be a 30 seed is beyond me lol.
thats propworthy.
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im jus gon wait for the album to drop and listen to it then lol
^if you don't mind listening to snippets, in the "Slaughterhouse Tracklisting" thread, Hack put up the official tracklist on page 3; if you click on the Amazon.com link, you can bump some snippets.
if you need some motivation to get pumped. :P
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i don't care how bad my karma goes down from saying this but AZ is a better overall rapper than ODB & he was at 11.
AZ is better than 50 Cent at 7, how he could be a 30 seed is beyond me lol.
thats propworthy.
thank you good sir. ;) 8)
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doggy you and i aint really gotten along too good since i got back here but i cant front you know your hip hop fam....
i just dont like new jacks who never heard rap until no limit dropped trying to say whats real hip hop.
no disrespect to no limit they had some joints.
BBTP were the shit in there heyday.
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if the contest was according to 2009, with people of today, i could see only his Slaughterhouse peers beating him & none of them were even on this list lol.
what exactly is "people of today"? Lol, it cracks me up how because Budden had a hot album this year it somehow makes him worthy of being involved in a greatest rapper contest. 2009 has been a TERRIBLE year for mainstream/semi-mainstream hip hop. Padded Room has so far been one of the top 10 mainstream releases. Its really not that big of an accomplishment.
This wasn't a hottest album of 09 contest okay? It was a GREATEST RAPPER contest. It doesn't matter whether Method Man ever releases another album, or if he releases an album that's straight trash. The legacy he has already established with Wu and by himself, and his longevity, is what makes him GREAT. Budden, at two albums deep, neither of them "great", and with his obvious imperfections, has a long way to go before he can be considered a great rapper.
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if the contest was according to 2009, with people of today, i could see only his Slaughterhouse peers beating him & none of them were even on this list lol.
what exactly is "people of today"? Lol, it cracks me up how because Budden had a hot album this year it somehow makes him worthy of being involved in a greatest rapper contest. 2009 has been a TERRIBLE year for mainstream/semi-mainstream hip hop. Padded Room has so far been one of the top 10 mainstream releases. Its really not that big of an accomplishment.
This wasn't a hottest album of 09 contest okay? It was a GREATEST RAPPER contest. It doesn't matter whether Method Man ever releases another album, or if he releases an album that's straight trash. The legacy he has already established with Wu and by himself, and his longevity, is what makes him GREAT. Budden, at two albums deep, neither of them "great", and with his obvious imperfections, has a long way to go before he can be considered a great rapper.
i mean, as of right this minute, who is the best rapper, not who was the best rapper 10 years ago; it's the same shit as sports, would you still call Shaq the best big man in the NBA today? you wouldn't take Dwight Howard over him? Shaq will go down as one of the greatest players & maybe the greatest big man ever, but as of today he isn't still the best putting in the work.
Joe Budden is 5 albums deep though, the Mood Muzik Series & Halfway House are as good as most albums that have dropped recently., if you're a Joe Budden fan though lol.
also, fuck mainstream releases, allow me to quote the great Joe Budden; "Only reason they say Hip-Hop is dead is because the dope shit is underground".
this "Joe Budden isn't shit" movement has to make up their minds, is he popular or not? don't come in here & be like well Joe isn't even underground & say he only has 5,000 fans. so PM each other & decide what you want to label Joey lol.
for the board, i have a confession to make; scroll back about 6 months ago into posts & shit & you'll find me saying the same shit your saying now. i said time & time again how much he "sucks" blah blah blah, but you know what? i never gave his music a chance, i "said i listened" to this or that, but i just look a quick peep to it & said it was wack.
finally, Xzibit444 said "just download Padded Room & give it a chance". i did & the rest is history lol. i bumped Halfway House & couldn't believe i turned down this music all the time; then the Mood Muzik tapes & i was like damn, my bad lol.
that's why i can't believe most of you "actually" listened to his work & say he's "horrible/awful". :P
doggy you and i aint really gotten along too good since i got back here but i cant front you know your hip hop fam....
i just dont like new jacks who never heard rap until no limit dropped trying to say whats real hip hop.
no disrespect to no limit they had some joints.
BBTP were the shit in there heyday.
i never mean no disrespect ever, i just love a good argument. 8)
BUMP! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sxk_Xiy7q2s :P
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if the contest was according to 2009, with people of today, i could see only his Slaughterhouse peers beating him & none of them were even on this list lol.
what exactly is "people of today"? Lol, it cracks me up how because Budden had a hot album this year it somehow makes him worthy of being involved in a greatest rapper contest. 2009 has been a TERRIBLE year for mainstream/semi-mainstream hip hop. Padded Room has so far been one of the top 10 mainstream releases. Its really not that big of an accomplishment.
This wasn't a hottest album of 09 contest okay? It was a GREATEST RAPPER contest. It doesn't matter whether Method Man ever releases another album, or if he releases an album that's straight trash. The legacy he has already established with Wu and by himself, and his longevity, is what makes him GREAT. Budden, at two albums deep, neither of them "great", and with his obvious imperfections, has a long way to go before he can be considered a great rapper.
i mean, as of right this minute, who is the best rapper, not who was the best rapper 10 years ago; it's the same shit as sports, would you still call Shaq the best big man in the NBA today? you wouldn't take Dwight Howard over him? Shaq will go down as one of the greatest players & maybe the greatest big man ever, but as of today he isn't still the best putting in the work.
Joe Budden is 5 albums deep though, the Mood Muzik Series & Halfway House are as good as most albums that have dropped recently., if you're a Joe Budden fan though lol.
also, fuck mainstream releases, allow me to quote the great Joe Budden; "Only reason they say Hip-Hop is dead is because the dope shit is underground".
this "Joe Budden isn't shit" movement has to make up their minds, is he popular or not? don't come in here & be like well Joe isn't even underground & say he only has 5,000 fans. so PM each other & decide what you want to label Joey lol.
for the board, i have a confession to make; scroll back about 6 months ago into posts & shit & you'll find me saying the same shit your saying now. i said time & time again how much he "sucks" blah blah blah, but you know what? i never gave his music a chance, i "said i listened" to this or that, but i just look a quick peep to it & said it was wack.
finally, Xzibit444 said "just download Padded Room & give it a chance". i did & the rest is history lol. i bumped Halfway House & couldn't believe i turned down this music all the time; then the Mood Muzik tapes & i was like damn, my bad lol.
that's why i can't believe most of you "actually" listened to his work & say he's "horrible/awful". :P
doggy you and i aint really gotten along too good since i got back here but i cant front you know your hip hop fam....
i just dont like new jacks who never heard rap until no limit dropped trying to say whats real hip hop.
no disrespect to no limit they had some joints.
BBTP were the shit in there heyday.
i never mean no disrespect ever, i just love a good argument. 8)
BUMP! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sxk_Xiy7q2s :P
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cham,let it ride homie. your wasting your time and breath. re- read jromes post again and ask yourself why you responded lol.
Care to elaborate?
elaborate? really? its obvious you feel some type of way about budden/sh and are dead set against anything related to him/them. i was just wondering why cham still bothers.
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cham,let it ride homie. your wasting your time and breath. re- read jromes post again and ask yourself why you responded lol.
Care to elaborate?
elaborate? really? its obvious you feel some type of way about budden/sh and are dead set against anything related to him/them. i was just wondering why cham still bothers.
lol, I'm looking forward to hearing this album.