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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: thisoneguy360 on July 15, 2009, 11:11:09 AM
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Los Angeles Lakers owner Jerry Buss, upset that free-agent forward Lamar Odom(notes) has yet to respond to the team's contract offer, has withdrawn the proposal, the Los Angeles Times reported.
The Times reported that the Lakers offered Odom his choice of a three-year, $30 million contract or a four-year, $36 million deal. Odom reportedly is seeking a contract closer in value to five years, $50 million.
Buss also isn't happy Odom's agent, Jeff Schwartz, has negotiated more extensively with the Dallas Mavericks and Miami Heat than the Lakers, the Times reported.
Lakers spokesman John Black said talks could still resume in the future.
:-X...doesn't sound final but this could really hurt LA
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they probably withdrew so they could go after somebody else.
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Yeah we'll see what happens. If they dont go after someone else, and basically lost Odom/ Ariza for Artest....i think they got worse.
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who can replace odom? nobody
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He is a goner.
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that's gonna hurt the lakers.
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we have no bench now
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Depending on a unpredictable nutjob and an up-and-down injury-prone inexperienced big is not a good thing if you want to repeat
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damn that not good.
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those close to Odom say he wanted to accept the offer but his agent was being a dickhead
they want 5 years $50 million :laugh:
you don't give 5 years to someone unless they are superstar calibur
they offered 3 years $30 million..... turned it down
then they offered 4 years $36 ($9 a year).... turned it down
so now the only teams that can offer him anything are Miami and Dallas
5 years... $36 million :laugh:
so basically the Lakers called his bluff.... they offered him the most and he declined
what an idiot... have fun in shitty Texas :-X
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So a player can't overrule is agent? And just tell him accept that shit fag? Or call Dr. Buss himself? I don't buy that..
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So a player can't overrule is agent? And just tell him accept that shit fag? Or call Dr. Buss himself? I don't buy that..
you never know.... I'm just sayin what the LA Times said
"Lamar, trust me buddy" who the fuck knows what these guys are thinking?
they're retarded to turn down $30 over 3 and look for $50 over 5 in this economy
pure stupidity
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If LA don't get Odom back next year, It's also partly because they also banking on Bynum stepping up his game.
The Odom spot will then be replaced w/Bynum & the Nut (Artest) sharing the dirty work.
That said, Lamar man up boy, It's LA or nuthin'...lol
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that's gonna hurt the lakers.
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on espn they said if LO leaves the lakers might end up gettin either Drew Gooden or Joe Smith
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im sure theres a bunch of teams that will fall for the Lamar "fools gold" Odom trap
atleast 3-4 if LA doesn't resign him
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^ LOL still convinced Lamar is fools gold?
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^ LOL still convinced Lamar is fools gold?
0 all-star appearances is pretty solid evidence....
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odom needs to fire his agent
how are you not gonna stay in a team that has a good chance at repeating the next season?
$36M over 4 years is too much for him, no way he is gettin $50M
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^ LOL still convinced Lamar is fools gold?
0 all-star appearances is pretty solid evidence....
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damn odom was dope wit la, will be interestin to see how he fits in, if he does wit another team and how he does
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artest is better for the lakers but damn i liked Lamar playing with the Lakers
plus i was hyped about seeing Artest and Odom playing together
they should of got rid of Walktons faggot ass
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on espn they said if LO leaves the lakers might end up gettin either Drew Gooden or Joe Smith
Jesus Christ!!
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they should of got rid of Walktons faggot ass
Be serious. You can't get rid of a player like Walton when he has a multi-year contract over 5mil per anno. C'mon now. He played one relatively good season when he had his contract year and fucked the Lakers big time, even more so than Sasha Vujacic.
on espn they said if LO leaves the lakers might end up gettin either Drew Gooden or Joe Smith
Jesus Christ!!
Ariza and even Odom (?) leaving for less/equal money really makes you think Bill Simmons is on fucking point when he says the Lakers don't like each other... leaving the best team and hollywood glamour for Texas and less money? Be serious. They can't stand Kobe, it's the only explanation. With that said I'd LOVE to see Gooden on the Lakers, this will fuck them.
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Be serious. They can't stand Kobe, it's the only explanation.
LMAO, you sound like a dipshit.....who woulda thought that idiots would still be on this bs after we won a ring under Kobe? :-X
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Be serious. They can't stand Kobe, it's the only explanation.
LMAO, you sound like a dipshit.....who woulda thought that idiots would still be on this bs after we won a ring under Kobe? :-X
Who in his right mind would consider Texas for less or equal salary when he can stay on the best team in basketball and the biggest market in the western world? 1 man you can call insane, 2? Not so much. There's got to be a reason. Admit it.
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Be serious. They can't stand Kobe, it's the only explanation.
LMAO, you sound like a dipshit.....who woulda thought that idiots would still be on this bs after we won a ring under Kobe? :-X
Who in his right mind would consider Texas for less or equal salary when he can stay on the best team in basketball and the biggest market in the western world? 1 man you can call insane, 2? Not so much. There's got to be a reason. Admit it.
In Ariza's situatiom, it was his agent that screwed him over. He tried to squeeze money out of the Lakers and instead the Lakers went to Artest. Ariza was stuck and went to the Rockets. Odom has said many times he wants to stay with the Lakers. You of all people know that the NBA is all about the $$$ The business end of things are causing this situation, not the Lakers not liking Kobe/each other.
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Be serious. They can't stand Kobe, it's the only explanation.
LMAO, you sound like a dipshit.....who woulda thought that idiots would still be on this bs after we won a ring under Kobe? :-X
Who in his right mind would consider Texas for less or equal salary when he can stay on the best team in basketball and the biggest market in the western world? 1 man you can call insane, 2? Not so much. There's got to be a reason. Admit it.
youre such an idiot if you truly think kobe has anything to do with this ahahahahaha
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Be serious. They can't stand Kobe, it's the only explanation.
LMAO, you sound like a dipshit.....who woulda thought that idiots would still be on this bs after we won a ring under Kobe? :-X
Who in his right mind would consider Texas for less or equal salary when he can stay on the best team in basketball and the biggest market in the western world? 1 man you can call insane, 2? Not so much. There's got to be a reason. Admit it.
In Ariza's situatiom, it was his agent that screwed him over. He tried to squeeze money out of the Lakers and instead the Lakers went to Artest. Ariza was stuck and went to the Rockets. Odom has said many times he wants to stay with the Lakers. You of all people know that the NBA is all about the $$$ The business end of things are causing this situation, not the Lakers not liking Kobe/each other.
those claiming that players dont wanna be a Laker because of Kobe are more ridiculous than the people who claim 2pac is still alive :laugh:
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Be serious. They can't stand Kobe, it's the only explanation.
LMAO, you sound like a dipshit.....who woulda thought that idiots would still be on this bs after we won a ring under Kobe? :-X
Who in his right mind would consider Texas for less or equal salary when he can stay on the best team in basketball and the biggest market in the western world? 1 man you can call insane, 2? Not so much. There's got to be a reason. Admit it.
In Ariza's situatiom, it was his agent that screwed him over. He tried to squeeze money out of the Lakers and instead the Lakers went to Artest. Ariza was stuck and went to the Rockets. Odom has said many times he wants to stay with the Lakers. You of all people know that the NBA is all about the $$$ The business end of things are causing this situation, not the Lakers not liking Kobe/each other.
Didn't the Lakers offer just as much money to Ariza as the Rockets did? Didn't the Lakers offer more money to Odom than any team in the world does? How much sense does it make to leave because of $?
Players always say they like their team. What else are they supposed to do unless they choose to be complete cancers.
Hey Nik, why is Odom leaving for a lesser contract if not because of team chemistry? The pollution in LA?
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Be serious. They can't stand Kobe, it's the only explanation.
LMAO, you sound like a dipshit.....who woulda thought that idiots would still be on this bs after we won a ring under Kobe? :-X
Who in his right mind would consider Texas for less or equal salary when he can stay on the best team in basketball and the biggest market in the western world? 1 man you can call insane, 2? Not so much. There's got to be a reason. Admit it.
In Ariza's situatiom, it was his agent that screwed him over. He tried to squeeze money out of the Lakers and instead the Lakers went to Artest. Ariza was stuck and went to the Rockets. Odom has said many times he wants to stay with the Lakers. You of all people know that the NBA is all about the $$$ The business end of things are causing this situation, not the Lakers not liking Kobe/each other.
Didn't the Lakers offer just as much money to Ariza as the Rockets did? Didn't the Lakers offer more money to Odom than any team in the world does? How much sense does it make to leave because of $?
Players always say they like their team. What else are they supposed to do unless they choose to be complete cancers.
Hey Nik, why is Odom leaving for a lesser contract if not because of team chemistry? The pollution in LA?
Get the facts straight:
a) Ariza wanted more then the mid level exception (MLE) the Lakers were offering him
b) Lakers were unwilling to give Ariza more money, so they used the MLE to sign Artest
c) Ariza couldn't get a higher offer from another team so he went to the Rockets
It was the Lakers who rejected Ariza, not the other way around.
As for Odom, he's just holding out for more money. He knows the Lakers are the only ones who can pay him the big money. He also knows his only leverage is that he is a key piece to another championship. If he leaves for less money, then you have an arguement, but he hasn't gone anywhere yet.
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^ LOL still convinced Lamar is fools gold?
0 all-star appearances is pretty solid evidence....
So you're only a good player if you win the popularity contest?
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Be serious. They can't stand Kobe, it's the only explanation.
LMAO, you sound like a dipshit.....who woulda thought that idiots would still be on this bs after we won a ring under Kobe? :-X
Who in his right mind would consider Texas for less or equal salary when he can stay on the best team in basketball and the biggest market in the western world? 1 man you can call insane, 2? Not so much. There's got to be a reason. Admit it.
In Ariza's situatiom, it was his agent that screwed him over. He tried to squeeze money out of the Lakers and instead the Lakers went to Artest. Ariza was stuck and went to the Rockets. Odom has said many times he wants to stay with the Lakers. You of all people know that the NBA is all about the $$$ The business end of things are causing this situation, not the Lakers not liking Kobe/each other.
Didn't the Lakers offer just as much money to Ariza as the Rockets did? Didn't the Lakers offer more money to Odom than any team in the world does? How much sense does it make to leave because of $?
Players always say they like their team. What else are they supposed to do unless they choose to be complete cancers.
Hey Nik, why is Odom leaving for a lesser contract if not because of team chemistry? The pollution in LA?
you're bein an idiot, dude...straight up. Ariza got 2 more years from Houston than we offered...we signed Artest with the money we were gunna use on Ariza because Ariza's agent was being a bitch and demanded more than we offered. He thought his value was higher. LMAO@thinkin we had team chemistry issues and thats why players (who have already stated theyd much prefer to stay in LA) aren't getting signed....use common sense, man. Odom is seeking a $50 mill contract, which we dont wanna offer. thats what going on with that, and any idiot who thinks players dont wanna play for this world champion laker team needs to get slapped.
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^ LOL still convinced Lamar is fools gold?
0 all-star appearances is pretty solid evidence....
So you're only a good player if you win the popularity contest?
Byron Scott was also a slouch
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Be serious. They can't stand Kobe, it's the only explanation.
LMAO, you sound like a dipshit.....who woulda thought that idiots would still be on this bs after we won a ring under Kobe? :-X
Who in his right mind would consider Texas for less or equal salary when he can stay on the best team in basketball and the biggest market in the western world? 1 man you can call insane, 2? Not so much. There's got to be a reason. Admit it.
In Ariza's situatiom, it was his agent that screwed him over. He tried to squeeze money out of the Lakers and instead the Lakers went to Artest. Ariza was stuck and went to the Rockets. Odom has said many times he wants to stay with the Lakers. You of all people know that the NBA is all about the $$$ The business end of things are causing this situation, not the Lakers not liking Kobe/each other.
Didn't the Lakers offer just as much money to Ariza as the Rockets did? Didn't the Lakers offer more money to Odom than any team in the world does? How much sense does it make to leave because of $?
Players always say they like their team. What else are they supposed to do unless they choose to be complete cancers.
Hey Nik, why is Odom leaving for a lesser contract if not because of team chemistry? The pollution in LA?
you're bein an idiot, dude...straight up. Ariza got 2 more years from Houston than we offered...we signed Artest with the money we were gunna use on Ariza because Ariza's agent was being a bitch and demanded more than we offered. He thought his value was higher. LMAO@thinkin we had team chemistry issues and thats why players (who have already stated theyd much prefer to stay in LA) aren't getting signed....use common sense, man. Odom is seeking a $50 mill contract, which we dont wanna offer. thats what going on with that, and any idiot who thinks players dont wanna play for this world champion laker team needs to get slapped.
Odom has no business seeking a $50m contract cause nobody will give one to him. Nobody is offering him as much as the Lakers do. So what's the deal with that? Why the bitchery if he really prefers to stay in LA and they offer him by far the most money?
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Be serious. They can't stand Kobe, it's the only explanation.
LMAO, you sound like a dipshit.....who woulda thought that idiots would still be on this bs after we won a ring under Kobe? :-X
Who in his right mind would consider Texas for less or equal salary when he can stay on the best team in basketball and the biggest market in the western world? 1 man you can call insane, 2? Not so much. There's got to be a reason. Admit it.
In Ariza's situatiom, it was his agent that screwed him over. He tried to squeeze money out of the Lakers and instead the Lakers went to Artest. Ariza was stuck and went to the Rockets. Odom has said many times he wants to stay with the Lakers. You of all people know that the NBA is all about the $$$ The business end of things are causing this situation, not the Lakers not liking Kobe/each other.
Didn't the Lakers offer just as much money to Ariza as the Rockets did? Didn't the Lakers offer more money to Odom than any team in the world does? How much sense does it make to leave because of $?
Players always say they like their team. What else are they supposed to do unless they choose to be complete cancers.
Hey Nik, why is Odom leaving for a lesser contract if not because of team chemistry? The pollution in LA?
you're bein an idiot, dude...straight up. Ariza got 2 more years from Houston than we offered...we signed Artest with the money we were gunna use on Ariza because Ariza's agent was being a bitch and demanded more than we offered. He thought his value was higher. LMAO@thinkin we had team chemistry issues and thats why players (who have already stated theyd much prefer to stay in LA) aren't getting signed....use common sense, man. Odom is seeking a $50 mill contract, which we dont wanna offer. thats what going on with that, and any idiot who thinks players dont wanna play for this world champion laker team needs to get slapped.
Odom has no business seeking a $50m contract cause nobody will give one to him. Nobody is offering him as much as the Lakers do. So what's the deal with that? Why the bitchery if he really prefers to stay in LA and they offer him by far the most money?
Because this will more then likely be Odom's last big contract. He'll be in his mid 30s when his contract expires and he'll see no where near as much money after that.
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LMAO@ignorant ass 7even not understanding the concept of using leverage
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What kind of leverage is it to say that the Lakers are your favorite team while they know that they offer more money than any other team? What kind of leverage is that?
"Yo Lakers, I love this team and the city, would love to be a Laker for life, but the Heat are offering me about 70% of what you offer me, so you better offer me even more or I will go to them even though they pay less and I like them less. I GOT MAD LEVERAGE, PAY UP!"
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^^
As for Odom, he's just holding out for more money. He knows the Lakers are the only ones who can pay him the big money. He also knows his only leverage is that he is a key piece to another championship.
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on espn they said if LO leaves the lakers might end up gettin either Drew Gooden or Joe Smith
neither really replaces what Odom could do, despite his inconsistency. But either would be decent pickups coming off the bench. I think the Lakers big problem will be that Odom could create his own shot with the second unit. Who will be that guy now?
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I'd say that both parties have little leverage in these negotiations .. others teams are either over the cap , just can offer the MLE to Lamar or the very few teams which have lots of cash to spend are not willing to give him what he wants ..
On the other hand , it would hurt us to lose LO versatility and we wouldn't be able to replace him . ( well , the only way we can get some very good players back would be a sign and trade which remains very unlikely).
A team which has just won a championship has no interest to lose its 2 main role players , there is a thing called "team chemistry" ...
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I'd say that both parties have little leverage in these negotiations .. others teams are either over the cap , just can offer the MLE to Lamar or the very few teams which have lots of cash to spend are not willing to give him what he wants ..
Yes, but the offers from Miami and Dallas...even though they are less per year, are in states where there is no state tax. Making his take home amount relatively close. Plus, he might have the option of a 4 or 5 yr deal which will TOTAL out in more money then the 3 year deal offered by the Lakers. That could be attractive, because although the Laker offer is 9 million per year for 3...making 36 million for 5 could net him more money in the long run. Say he signs with LA, and after 3 years his value around the league is only 3 or 4 million when he becomes a FA. He would make anywhere from 1 to 3 million more total (at least) on the 5 yr deal. Job security ;)
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Lakers are fucked up.
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sevn, you are from europe right?
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sevn, you are from europe right?
Yes, so are wcsoldier and Antonio, my niggas. Btw, Utah matched Millsap's offer sheet, so the Blazers got mad $crilla again - which they can give to Odom.
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I'm not shocked you Euro's don't know about Texas and Florida's tax laws.
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Be serious. They can't stand Kobe, it's the only explanation.
it looks like ariza & kobe can't stand each other in this video ::) (this happend last week)
http://www.youtube.com/v/CpbHdV5OeAk
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^ LOL still convinced Lamar is fools gold?
0 all-star appearances is pretty solid evidence....
360 got served
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Be serious. They can't stand Kobe, it's the only explanation.
it looks like ariza & kobe can't stand each other in this video ::) (this happend last week)
http://www.youtube.com/v/CpbHdV5OeAk
the basketball world would be a better place if people didnt formulate opinions as retarded as 7even's.....then they claim the media has no influence on the way they think, LOL!
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sevn, you are from europe right?
Yes, so are wcsoldier and Antonio, my niggas. Btw, Utah matched Millsap's offer sheet, so the Blazers got mad $crilla again - which they can give to Odom.
is every free agent out there just gonna tease the Blazers? lol
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Be serious. They can't stand Kobe, it's the only explanation.
it looks like ariza & kobe can't stand each other in this video ::) (this happend last week)
http://www.youtube.com/v/CpbHdV5OeAk
Don't be so ignorant man. Kobe is so spoiled that he hired goons to beat up Trevor if he didn't hug him !! Everyone hates Kobe and this proves it !!
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Back on topic, Lakers are fucked up. :-\
You know how much i rate Odom and his importance for our defense.. we can't loose him. Simple.
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so whats the deal wit odom right now?
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Back on topic, Lakers are fucked up. :-\
You know how much i rate Odom and his importance for our defense.. we can't loose him. Simple.
Why do you think he wants to leave?
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florida has far less taxes than Cali
huge reason why celebs live there
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you tryna say hes goin to miami? lol
sides, ive heard they go some of the worst livin conditions out there...wit all them flies
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Report: Heat offer contract to OdomComment Email Print Share ESPN.com news services
The Miami Heat and Lamar Odom have discussed a deal that would approach the $9 million salary the free-agent forward nearly agreed to last week with the Los Angeles Lakers before talks broke down, the South Florida Sun-Sentinel has reported.
Odom
The Heat, who traded Odom to the Lakers five years ago in the trade that brought Shaquille O'Neal to South Florida, have made Odom a firm offer to return, according to The Associated Press. The offer is believed to be a five-year package worth around $35 million, the AP reported.
Pat Riley, addressing Heat season-ticket holders in a two-day session Wednesday and Thursday that was closed to media, said the Heat were also monitoring Carlos Boozer's status with the Utah Jazz but had not entered discussions on acquiring the forward.
Riley
Riley said the team could add Odom, Boozer or both without sacrificing its goals toward 2010's free-agent class, the Sun-Sentinel reported, citing people in attendance at the private sit-ins and sources involved in the Heat's dealings.
Florida's lack of state taxes and other payment options give the Heat the ability to offer Odom a contract matching the scrapped Lakers deal, the Fort Lauderdale newspaper reported.
The Lakers retracted their offer to Odom early this week, saying that talks had stalled.
Sources told ESPN.com's Marc Stein that Odom had balked at the Lakers' unwillingness to extend an offer spanning more than three years in length.
"There are specifics behind why we pulled it, but that's not something we're going to get into," Lakers public relations director John Black said.
According to the Los Angeles Times, Lakers owner Jerry Buss offered Odom two deals, one worth $36 million for four years and the other $10 million a season for three years.
Odom, who will turn 30 in November, made $14.1 million this past season.
Dwyane Wade, who spent much of his rookie season picking Odom's brain, said he hopes those chats start again soon.
"I want Lamar to do what's best for him and his family because we love him as family, but on the other hand, we want him back home, to come home," Wade said Friday in a telephone interview with the AP. "His house is still there. It'd be exciting to see what happens."
Odom averaged 17.1 points -- the second-highest average of his career -- in 80 games with the Heat during the 2003-04 season.
The Heat went 42-40 that season with Odom, winning 17 of their final 21 regular-season games and earning the No. 4 spot in the Eastern Conference. That summer, Miami traded Caron Butler, Brian Grant and Odom to the Lakers for O'Neal, who helped Wade and the Heat win a championship two years later.
Odom spent the past five years with the Lakers, during which he played a key role off the bench in their 2009 championship run. He averaged 12.3 points and 9.1 rebounds during the playoffs.
Wade, who has asked the Heat to make some roster upgrades with hopes of getting back to the championship level, said he doesn't need to call Odom to lobby for his return.
"Lamar already knows how I feel," Wade said. "I really don't know how to feel. He's really taken time to deal with it, sit back. It's a very important decision in his life. It could be about where he ends his career."
Over his 10-year career, the versatile 6-foot-10 Odom has averaged 15.1 points and 8.8 rebounds.
"Lamar and I always had a great relationship," Wade said. "He's always been the guy, one of the guys, that I thought really helped me as a young player."
Information from The Associated Press was used in this report
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damn that could be a problem eventually odom and boozer on the same team
wade is leavin soon right?
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Back on topic, Lakers are fucked up. :-\
You know how much i rate Odom and his importance for our defense.. we can't loose him. Simple.
Why do you think he wants to leave?
Kobe!! Kobe!! Kobe!! lol
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why he leave heat anyway?
(and now goin back to em)lol
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why he leave heat anyway?
(and now goin back to em)lol
traded in a package for Shaq
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Back on topic, Lakers are fucked up. :-\
You know how much i rate Odom and his importance for our defense.. we can't loose him. Simple.
Why do you think he wants to leave?
Kobe!! Kobe!! Kobe!! lol
u know u dont really believe that....and if you do, i feel really bad for you.
btw..he hasnt left yet. hes stated that he wants to play for the Lakers, but is now seeking the highest contract before he signs.
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but damn leave the team and then go back
aite you leave cuz the other team pays you more, but then go back cuz they might pay you more
there has to be more to this than what it is
why he leave heat anyway?
(and now goin back to em)lol
traded in a package for Shaq
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Back on topic, Lakers are fucked up. :-\
You know how much i rate Odom and his importance for our defense.. we can't loose him. Simple.
Why do you think he wants to leave?
I don't know, and i don't care. If we replace Ariza with Artest i'm pretty satisfacted, i don't bitch.
But if we do replace Odom with Gooden or Joe Smith or people like that.... :-X :-X :-X :-X
I know you're talking about Kobe, ehehe.. i don't know. You don't leave a team like that capable of winning 3 in a row easly.
Unless it's all about the benjamins..
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^Stop acting as if the Heat pay him 100 mil. THEY DON'T!
Plus you can make a lot for extra money through ads and shit from the exposure you get when playing in the biggest market of the western world on the best team in basketball. I don't think it's about money. If it's about money, nigga stays in LA.
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^ LOL still convinced Lamar is fools gold?
0 all-star appearances is pretty solid evidence....
360 got served
You're right, a guy who averages a double double and can bring the ball up the court is obviously fools gold, what was I thinking?
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^Stop acting as if the Heat pay him 100 mil. THEY DON'T!
Plus you can make a lot for extra money through ads and shit from the exposure you get when playing in the biggest market of the western world on the best team in basketball. I don't think it's about money. If it's about money, nigga stays in LA.
LOL...you already were made into a fool when you said Ariza left because he didnt like Kobe. let it go, man.
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on the subject of it nik
why did ariza leave? (in your opinion?)
^Stop acting as if the Heat pay him 100 mil. THEY DON'T!
Plus you can make a lot for extra money through ads and shit from the exposure you get when playing in the biggest market of the western world on the best team in basketball. I don't think it's about money. If it's about money, nigga stays in LA.
LOL...you already were made into a fool when you said Ariza left because he didnt like Kobe. let it go, man.
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on the subject of it nik
why did ariza leave? (in your opinion?)
^Stop acting as if the Heat pay him 100 mil. THEY DON'T!
Plus you can make a lot for extra money through ads and shit from the exposure you get when playing in the biggest market of the western world on the best team in basketball. I don't think it's about money. If it's about money, nigga stays in LA.
LOL...you already were made into a fool when you said Ariza left because he didnt like Kobe. let it go, man.
he wanted more money, so he held out hoping we'd give in, but then we used the money we were guna use on him for Artest, once we got the chance... after that, he had no choice but to sign with Houston, where he got slightly more than we offered and was coveted with more aggression...PeACe
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^Stop acting as if the Heat pay him 100 mil. THEY DON'T!
Plus you can make a lot for extra money through ads and shit from the exposure you get when playing in the biggest market of the western world on the best team in basketball. I don't think it's about money. If it's about money, nigga stays in LA.
Man i know what you want me to say.
Do you remember when Dallas traded Harris for Kidd? I'm feeling a little bit like that. We're one step from a disaster. Have mercy. lol.
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on the subject of it nik
why did ariza leave? (in your opinion?)
Personally i don't care. I care about the team. And we replaced him with Artest, so it's all good.
The nighmare is replacing Odom with Gooden or Joe Smith!!
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hey 360, if Lamar Odom is so good, where are his all-star appearances?? ???
i mean you'd think if he was such an amazing player he'd get atleast ONE right?
don't give me anything about double doubles or versatility - because he's the most inconsistant motherfucker ever...THE JD DREW OF THE NBA LMAO
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on the subject of it nik
why did ariza leave? (in your opinion?)
Personally i don't care. I care about the team. And we replaced him with Artest, so it's all good.
The nighmare is replacing Odom with Gooden or Joe Smith!!
those are solid players. But they arent the offense threat coming off the bench that Odom CAN be when he shows up.
Think about your bench, who is gonna be the playmaker? Sasha? Luke? Farmar? lol. Scary shit...
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Lamar Odom calls Jerry Buss (http://lakersblog.latimes.com/lakersblog/2009/07/lamar-odom-jerry-buss.html)
So sayeth our man Jim Hill, a cool cat with the best hair in the biz.
The purpose of said phone call? Repairing any bridges in need of fixing after Doc B. didn't take kindly to un-returned calls from LO's agent Jeff Schwartz. Does that mean LO is definitely favoring the Lakers over, say, the Miami Heat, who have reportedly offered him five years/35 mil (or haven't, according to the Tweets of Ric Bucher (http://twitter.com/RicBucher/status/2697556688))? No, but it does stand to reason that Lamar hasn't decided to close his purple and gold chapter. Otherwise, unless Odom wants an invite to Jerry Buss' poker game whenever he's in L.A., I don't know why he'd bother placing the call.
A promising development for those hoping LO will stick around. We'll have more details as they emerge.
http://lakersblog.latimes.com/lakersblog/2009/07/lamar-odom-jerry-buss.html
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how much would the lakers be hurt if odom leaves?
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how much would the lakers be hurt if odom leaves?
not too badly
kobe, gasol, artest, fisher, brown + andrew bynum for like the first 41 games until he gets hurt again
now
garnett, peirce, allen, rondo, rasheed, perkins, house...that's a team you better PRAY isn't healthy come playoff time
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hey 360, if Lamar Odom is so good, where are his all-star appearances?? ???
i mean you'd think if he was such an amazing player he'd get atleast ONE right?
don't give me anything about double doubles or versatility - because he's the most inconsistant motherfucker ever...THE JD DREW OF THE NBA LMAO
Don't be ignorant. Odom is very valuable for the Lakers. I dont' even care to compare him to KG or other PF, but he is a key player for the Lakers, expecially on the boards and defensively (he's the most intelligent player on the floor, to lead defense). We need him badly. Then you obviously should be fine with KG, but i ain't even compraing them. That's not the point.
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on the subject of it nik
why did ariza leave? (in your opinion?)
Personally i don't care. I care about the team. And we replaced him with Artest, so it's all good.
The nighmare is replacing Odom with Gooden or Joe Smith!!
those are solid players. But they arent the offense threat coming off the bench that Odom CAN be when he shows up.
Think about your bench, who is gonna be the playmaker? Sasha? Luke? Farmar? lol. Scary shit...
1) Honesly our offense is the last thing i'm worried about. Odom ain't valuable for that. Our problem is the opposite. It's that Bynum can't defend, and Bynum+Gasol means Bynum is out after 5 minutes with 2-3 fouls, and we need a defensive stopper inside. Odom fills that role perfectly. Every fucking night. Then sometimes he plays well in offense, someday he doesn't. But that's the last thing i'd ask him to do. He's a Robert Horry type of player. He was a key player not because of his points per game, but because of his defense next to Shaq. Solid role players lead you to the win, remember that.
2) Shannon Brown can be a good backup PG.
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Lamar Odom calls Jerry Buss (http://lakersblog.latimes.com/lakersblog/2009/07/lamar-odom-jerry-buss.html)
So sayeth our man Jim Hill, a cool cat with the best hair in the biz.
The purpose of said phone call? Repairing any bridges in need of fixing after Doc B. didn't take kindly to un-returned calls from LO's agent Jeff Schwartz. Does that mean LO is definitely favoring the Lakers over, say, the Miami Heat, who have reportedly offered him five years/35 mil (or haven't, according to the Tweets of Ric Bucher (http://twitter.com/RicBucher/status/2697556688))? No, but it does stand to reason that Lamar hasn't decided to close his purple and gold chapter. Otherwise, unless Odom wants an invite to Jerry Buss' poker game whenever he's in L.A., I don't know why he'd bother placing the call.
A promising development for those hoping LO will stick around. We'll have more details as they emerge.
http://lakersblog.latimes.com/lakersblog/2009/07/lamar-odom-jerry-buss.html
PLEASE, GOD!!!!!!!!
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how much would the lakers be hurt if odom leaves?
I put them in the 4th place in the NBA rankings without Odom.
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i say they're still 2nd to the spurs w or wo
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i say they're still 2nd to the spurs w or wo
I'm not NIK, man. I don't react to those nonsense.
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i say they're still 2nd to the spurs w or wo
I'm not NIK, man. I don't react to those nonsense.
duncan, ginobli, parker, jefferson
thats not nonsense h omey
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on the subject of it nik
why did ariza leave? (in your opinion?)
Personally i don't care. I care about the team. And we replaced him with Artest, so it's all good.
The nighmare is replacing Odom with Gooden or Joe Smith!!
those are solid players. But they arent the offense threat coming off the bench that Odom CAN be when he shows up.
Think about your bench, who is gonna be the playmaker? Sasha? Luke? Farmar? lol. Scary shit...
1) Honesly our offense is the last thing i'm worried about. Odom ain't valuable for that. Our problem is the opposite. It's that Bynum can't defend, and Bynum+Gasol means Bynum is out after 5 minutes with 2-3 fouls, and we need a defensive stopper inside. Odom fills that role perfectly. Every fucking night. Then sometimes he plays well in offense, someday he doesn't. But that's the last thing i'd ask him to do. He's a Robert Horry type of player. He was a key player not because of his points per game, but because of his defense next to Shaq. Solid role players lead you to the win, remember that.
2) Shannon Brown can be a good backup PG.
I can see what youre saying. My thing is, Odom WAS the offense off the bench. I mean, other then him there isnt another bench player that can create on their own. They are all dependant players.
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i say they're still 2nd to the spurs w or wo
I'm not NIK, man. I don't react to those nonsense.
duncan, ginobli, parker, jefferson
thats not nonsense h omey
Check my avatar. It is.
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on the subject of it nik
why did ariza leave? (in your opinion?)
Personally i don't care. I care about the team. And we replaced him with Artest, so it's all good.
The nighmare is replacing Odom with Gooden or Joe Smith!!
those are solid players. But they arent the offense threat coming off the bench that Odom CAN be when he shows up.
Think about your bench, who is gonna be the playmaker? Sasha? Luke? Farmar? lol. Scary shit...
1) Honesly our offense is the last thing i'm worried about. Odom ain't valuable for that. Our problem is the opposite. It's that Bynum can't defend, and Bynum+Gasol means Bynum is out after 5 minutes with 2-3 fouls, and we need a defensive stopper inside. Odom fills that role perfectly. Every fucking night. Then sometimes he plays well in offense, someday he doesn't. But that's the last thing i'd ask him to do. He's a Robert Horry type of player. He was a key player not because of his points per game, but because of his defense next to Shaq. Solid role players lead you to the win, remember that.
2) Shannon Brown can be a good backup PG.
I can see what youre saying. My thing is, Odom WAS the offense off the bench. I mean, other then him there isnt another bench player that can create on their own. They are all dependant players.
Yeah, but we're talking about the 2nd or 3rd (i don't remember) most offensive team in the NBA last year. Without Bynum, basically. To score can't be a problem for us. Nobody can create a shot on his own, ok, but we play the triangle, and when we do it you know the bench can score a lot.
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i say they're still 2nd to the spurs w or wo
I'm not NIK, man. I don't react to those nonsense.
duncan, ginobli, parker, jefferson
thats not nonsense h omey
Check my avatar. It is.
lol If Odom DOES not sign with LA, they got worse. The Spurs obviously got much better.
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LO was/is the player that put us one step above the rest of the league because:
- 1) the bigs rotation is the most important factor in Basketball , especially in the playoffs ... quality bigs and defense are winning ships :
With LO coming off the bench , LA was the only team able to maintain (even to increase with Bynum having such a little impact) the quality of their interior play in every aspect when the bench players came into the game (rebounding , team defense , scoring when LO decides to be agressive) .... what do you think Boston, Orlando , Cavs and Spurs main/1st move during the offseason was for most of them to add depth to their Frontcourt ? it was to be able to maintain the same level of play as LA bigs are able to keep when bench players are entering the game ..
2 ) LO versatility : A top 10 rebounder in this league , an excellent ball -handler for his size , a potential mismatch night in and night out PLUS what work for the other team against 90% of the NBA teams doesn't work against LA because of LO ...
Let's take the example of Lewis ... he was a nightmare for C's and Cavs because Big Baby and Varejao who had to guard him for most of the time are not quick enough ... with LO guarding Lewis , Magic main mismatch suddendly dissapeared .... LO is able to guard all kind of PF you throw at him and does from an above average to a very good job on em ...
This being said, LO shouldn't forget that he did this coming from the bench .... his inconsistency still exists and he has never been able to elevate his game as a 2nd option and was one of the main reasons why we were a 1st round exit for 3 years in a row ... the organization sticked with him whereas the FO could have traded him and move on with a more consistent player.
Now that he won a title with us and we offered him a very good contract , he should accept and show some loyalty instead of acting like a spoiled bitch that 99% of the athletes do.
Last point , some of you are speculating why the hell he will go to another team for less money and less chances to win it all ... well just my opinion but LO has already been a lazy type of player , not a hard worker and got a "soft , very laid back" type of mentality .... now that he won a ship , why not going to a team with less expectations so he can play without too much pressure and relax on Miami beaches instead of being part of a team which is on the spotlight every game and which is expected/under pressure to win several titles ....
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Last point , some of you are speculating why the hell he will go to another team for less money and less chances to win it all ... well just my opinion but LO has already been a lazy type of player , not a hard worker and got a "soft , very laid back" type of mentality .... now that he won a ship , why not going to a team with less expectations so he can play without too much pressure and relax on Miami beaches instead of being part of a team which is on the spotlight every game and which is expected/under pressure to win several titles ....
I agree, besides he doesn't have to put up with Kobe's antics and his phony laughs.
Do you think he'll end up leaving?
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Last point , some of you are speculating why the hell he will go to another team for less money and less chances to win it all ... well just my opinion but LO has already been a lazy type of player , not a hard worker and got a "soft , very laid back" type of mentality .... now that he won a ship , why not going to a team with less expectations so he can play without too much pressure and relax on Miami beaches instead of being part of a team which is on the spotlight every game and which is expected/under pressure to win several titles ....
I agree, besides he doesn't have to put up with Kobe's antics and his phony laughs.
Do you think he'll end up leaving?
the FO needs to guarantee a 4th year on his contract .. reports have now made it clear that the final offers were either 30 millions for 3 years or 27 for 3 years + a fourth year being a team option with LO getting "only" 3 millions if both parties agreed to a buyout ... if he gets a 36 millions offer for 4 years , I think he's going to stay , if not he will go to Miami ...
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this forum is filled with idiots.
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Report: Lamar Odom impasse with Lakers all about a guaranteed fourth year
July 19, 8:01 AM
The negotiations between the Los Angeles Lakers and Lamar Odom have been the subject of much speculation resulting in conflicting accounts of what had been offered and left on the table by the parties.
In Sunday's Los Angeles Times, Lakers beat writer Broderick Turner writes without the usual qualifiers about "sources". He flat out says:
"Essentially, the Lakers offered Odom a guaranteed contract worth $30 million, depending on the length of the deal. Odom prefers a five-year deal but appeared willing to accept the Lakers' offer if they had guaranteed all four years. The Lakers' offer before it was removed was for four years at $9 million a season. But only three years of the deal were guaranteed. The Lakers held the option for the fourth season and had guaranteed Odom $3 million if they decided to buy him out. The Lakers also offered Odom a three-year deal that would have paid him $10 million a season. Either way, at least in the Lakers' eyes, Odom would have been paid at least $30 million with the opportunity to earn more."
And that my friends is what this impasse seems to come down to : a guarantee of employment for a fourth year. Apparently Lamar Odom is nervous about being out on the market in three years, $30 million richer and looking for work. He must be concerned about his inability to get a new deal at the high end of the pay scale when he's almost 33 years old.
We can all have opinions about why he should or shouldn't be silly about all this. But for him to allow the Lakers to have the upper hand at this point and not know if he can get management back to the table with the same two offers to choose from is just plain foolish. Especially after the apparent reluctance of the other teams to put something concrete in front of him that he likes better.
But on a lighter note, Ron Artest is looking to add to his responsibilities as the newest Laker. The New York Daily News caught up with him In New York to play with his boys at home in Queens, Artest said he reached out to his old friend and will again if he can play peace-maker between the team and Odom.
Hey, if he pulls it off we in media can no longer say that he is nothing but a potential disruptive influence.
http://www.examiner.com/x-426-Sports-Examiner~y2009m7d19-Report-Odom-impasse-with-Lakers-all-over-a-guaranteed-fourth-year
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And that my friends is what this impasse seems to come down to : a guarantee of employment for a fourth year. Apparently Lamar Odom is nervous about being out on the market in three years, $30 million richer and looking for work. He must be concerned about his inability to get a new deal at the high end of the pay scale when he's almost 33 years old.
this is exactly what I said.
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And that my friends is what this impasse seems to come down to : a guarantee of employment for a fourth year. Apparently Lamar Odom is nervous about being out on the market in three years, $30 million richer and looking for work. He must be concerned about his inability to get a new deal at the high end of the pay scale when he's almost 33 years old.
LOL
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^poor nigga gon' get his kids starved in 3 years when his contract is up
buss is inhuman
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hey 360, if Lamar Odom is so good, where are his all-star appearances?? ???
i mean you'd think if he was such an amazing player he'd get atleast ONE right?
don't give me anything about double doubles or versatility - because he's the most inconsistant motherfucker ever...THE JD DREW OF THE NBA LMAO
That's like saying people are stupid for saying Kobe is the best just because he didn't have an MVP before 07. Yeah he can be inconsistent but if you really cant' see how important he is to the Lakers there's no point in arguing with you lol.
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lol
damn what rankin is odom on the roster of the lakers as far as salary goes?
^poor nigga gon' get his kids starved in 3 years when his contract is up
buss is inhuman
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hey 360, if Lamar Odom is so good, where are his all-star appearances?? ???
i mean you'd think if he was such an amazing player he'd get atleast ONE right?
don't give me anything about double doubles or versatility - because he's the most inconsistant motherfucker ever...THE JD DREW OF THE NBA LMAO
Odom was snubbed from the all-star game in 2004
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but i mean you cant say that cuz some of the "best" players dont make the all star team, that dont mean their wack
at the same time some of the wack or not as good players make it
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on the subject of it nik
why did ariza leave? (in your opinion?)
Personally i don't care. I care about the team. And we replaced him with Artest, so it's all good.
The nighmare is replacing Odom with Gooden or Joe Smith!!
those are solid players. But they arent the offense threat coming off the bench that Odom CAN be when he shows up.
Think about your bench, who is gonna be the playmaker? Sasha? Luke? Farmar? lol. Scary shit...
1) Honesly our offense is the last thing i'm worried about. Odom ain't valuable for that. Our problem is the opposite. It's that Bynum can't defend, and Bynum+Gasol means Bynum is out after 5 minutes with 2-3 fouls, and we need a defensive stopper inside. Odom fills that role perfectly. Every fucking night. Then sometimes he plays well in offense, someday he doesn't. But that's the last thing i'd ask him to do. He's a Robert Horry type of player. He was a key player not because of his points per game, but because of his defense next to Shaq. Solid role players lead you to the win, remember that.
2) Shannon Brown can be a good backup PG.
Bynum is a great defender when he's healthy and bringing his A-game....please dont forget that, LOL. before he got injured (BOTH times), the main reason we were using him was as a defensive anchor in the post.
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but i mean you cant say that cuz some of the "best" players dont make the all star team, that dont mean their wack
at the same time some of the wack or not as good players make it
exactly...whether he made it or not (which he should've), Odom has been an all-star caliber player throughout his career. easily one of the best players ever to never make an all-star squad.
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how much would the lakers be hurt if odom leaves?
I put them in the 4th place in the NBA rankings without Odom.
LOL...wow!
Kobe-Gasol-Artest....the best 3-man combo in the NBA=4th best team? ahahahaha. u dont think you're being over-critical?
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i say they're still 2nd to the spurs w or wo
I'm not NIK, man. I don't react to those nonsense.
u might not react to nonsense, but u sure speak a lot of it...LOL! 4th best? come on, now, tony...
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IMO hes dope but hes not great, but dependin on who made it instead, he should have made it maybe
seems like he gets tired quik lol
but nah i mean who made it instead of him
but i mean you cant say that cuz some of the "best" players dont make the all star team, that dont mean their wack
at the same time some of the wack or not as good players make it
exactly...whether he made it or not (which he should've), Odom has been an all-star caliber player throughout his career. easily one of the best players ever to never make an all-star squad.
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Last point , some of you are speculating why the hell he will go to another team for less money and less chances to win it all ... well just my opinion but LO has already been a lazy type of player , not a hard worker and got a "soft , very laid back" type of mentality .... now that he won a ship , why not going to a team with less expectations so he can play without too much pressure and relax on Miami beaches instead of being part of a team which is on the spotlight every game and which is expected/under pressure to win several titles ....
I agree, besides he doesn't have to put up with Kobe's antics and his phony laughs.
Do you think he'll end up leaving?
Artest+Kobe+Odom=all good friends, smart German
you're the only one who STILL doesnt get this. LOL
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but nik were you at all surprised by artest goin to the LAKERS, out of all places KOBES TEAM lol
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IMO hes dope but hes not great, but dependin on who made it instead, he should have made it maybe
seems like he gets tired quik lol
but nah i mean who made it instead of him
but i mean you cant say that cuz some of the "best" players dont make the all star team, that dont mean their wack
at the same time some of the wack or not as good players make it
exactly...whether he made it or not (which he should've), Odom has been an all-star caliber player throughout his career. easily one of the best players ever to never make an all-star squad.
Jamaal Magloire...LOL. there was an outrage over it in Miami.
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but nik were you at all surprised by artest goin to the LAKERS, out of all places KOBES TEAM lol
not really...Artest has been wanting to play with Kobe and the Lakers for years now, and he was vocal about it as well...no surprise at all.
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damn.....so him actin up and actin as if he was bout to do somethin to kobe was all for the camera lol
but nik were you at all surprised by artest goin to the LAKERS, out of all places KOBES TEAM lol
not really...Artest has been wanting to play with Kobe and the Lakers for years now, and he was vocal about it as well...no surprise at all.
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damn.....so him actin up and actin as if he was bout to do somethin to kobe was all for the camera lol
but nik were you at all surprised by artest goin to the LAKERS, out of all places KOBES TEAM lol
not really...Artest has been wanting to play with Kobe and the Lakers for years now, and he was vocal about it as well...no surprise at all.
naah, he just has mental issues and was getting frustrated that Kobe was playing him hard....he wasnt guna do shit, all the battles between Kobe and Artest remain on the court. One time, their competitiveness got so intense that Artest had to stop to tell Kobe he loves him during some free throws...LOL
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lol that shit had me goin...good looks for the laughs
i figured they had somethin goin as in they were cool jus shit on the court and rockets losin
but who cares lets see how long he lasts on his new team
these players who switch like they gettin a new g/f are bitchmade
marion
shaq
artest
webber
they gotta learnt to be like kobe, be down fo life
One time, their competitiveness got so intense that Artest had to stop to tell Kobe he loves him during some free throws...NO HOMO but that shit is comedy
damn.....so him actin up and actin as if he was bout to do somethin to kobe was all for the camera lol
but nik were you at all surprised by artest goin to the LAKERS, out of all places KOBES TEAM lol
not really...Artest has been wanting to play with Kobe and the Lakers for years now, and he was vocal about it as well...no surprise at all.
naah, he just has mental issues and was getting frustrated that Kobe was playing him hard....he wasnt guna do shit, all the battles between Kobe and Artest remain on the court. One time, their competitiveness got so intense that Artest had to stop to tell Kobe he loves him during some free throws...LOL
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how much would the lakers be hurt if odom leaves?
I put them in the 4th place in the NBA rankings without Odom.
LOL...wow!
Kobe-Gasol-Artest....the best 3-man combo in the NBA=4th best team? ahahahaha. u dont think you're being over-critical?
You know i've said it thousands of times that Odom was our key player. It's gonna be hard replacing him if he leaves. With Lamar, Lakers are def the best team in the NBA. Please Lamar sign this fucking contract!
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lamar sign the dotted line lol
but nah you think if he doesnt sign wit la, his career has a chance of clearin the finish line sooner rather than later?
how much would the lakers be hurt if odom leaves?
I put them in the 4th place in the NBA rankings without Odom.
LOL...wow!
Kobe-Gasol-Artest....the best 3-man combo in the NBA=4th best team? ahahahaha. u dont think you're being over-critical?
You know i've said it thousands of times that Odom was our key player. It's gonna be hard replacing him if he leaves. With Lamar, Lakers are def the best team in the NBA. Please Lamar sign this fucking contract!
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lamar sign the dotted line lol
but nah you think if he doesnt sign wit la, his career has a chance of clearin the finish line sooner rather than later?
I'm a fan of him, but honestly if he doesn't sign with L.A., i'll only think about L.A. not being competitive enought. I couldn't care less about LO if he leaves. ;D
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i say they're still 2nd to the spurs w or wo
I'm not NIK, man. I don't react to those nonsense.
u might not react to nonsense, but u sure speak a lot of it...LOL! 4th best? come on, now, tony...
4th best was too much. Ok. 3rd, maybe 2nd. But not first.
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damn.....so him actin up and actin as if he was bout to do somethin to kobe was all for the camera lol
but nik were you at all surprised by artest goin to the LAKERS, out of all places KOBES TEAM lol
not really...Artest has been wanting to play with Kobe and the Lakers for years now, and he was vocal about it as well...no surprise at all.
Yeah Artest came up to Kobe after they lost the finals to Boston and told him he wanted to come help him.
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how much would the lakers be hurt if odom leaves?
I put them in the 4th place in the NBA rankings without Odom.
LOL...wow!
Kobe-Gasol-Artest....the best 3-man combo in the NBA=4th best team? ahahahaha. u dont think you're being over-critical?
easily debatable.
4th best in the west is a bit harsh. But Duncan, Parker, Ginobli, Jefferson > any Kobe, Gasol, Artest, Insert any current Laker player here
Id say LA ends up somewhere between 1 and 3 in the West. I would be surprised if it were anywhere below 3rd in the West.
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how much would the lakers be hurt if odom leaves?
I put them in the 4th place in the NBA rankings without Odom.
LOL...wow!
Kobe-Gasol-Artest....the best 3-man combo in the NBA=4th best team? ahahahaha. u dont think you're being over-critical?
easily debatable.
4th best in the west is a bit harsh. But Duncan, Parker, Ginobli, Jefferson > any Kobe, Gasol, Artest, Insert any current Laker player here
Id say LA ends up somewhere between 1 and 3 in the West. I would be surprised if it were anywhere below 3rd in the West.
scratch that. I didnt realise Antonio was saying 4th in the LEAGUE. I was thinkin he was saying in the West. I think LA could definetely end up 4th in the league. Likewise, they could end up 1st. its a tough year to call with so many top level teams improving. You pretty much have LA, Boston, San Antonio, Cleveland, Orlando who could all end up with homecourt throughout. Throw in a few other teams like Denver, Portland, Dallas who will be factors as well.
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yeah but some will say wit la changin its team a lil they might not be able to choke the other teams next season like they did this year
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how much would the lakers be hurt if odom leaves?
I put them in the 4th place in the NBA rankings without Odom.
LOL...wow!
Kobe-Gasol-Artest....the best 3-man combo in the NBA=4th best team? ahahahaha. u dont think you're being over-critical?
easily debatable.
4th best in the west is a bit harsh. But Duncan, Parker, Ginobli, Jefferson > any Kobe, Gasol, Artest, Insert any current Laker player here
Id say LA ends up somewhere between 1 and 3 in the West. I would be surprised if it were anywhere below 3rd in the West.
I disagree, Spurs have a good squad but if LA can re sign Lamar LA is easily better than the Spurs IMO
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how much would the lakers be hurt if odom leaves?
I put them in the 4th place in the NBA rankings without Odom.
LOL...wow!
Kobe-Gasol-Artest....the best 3-man combo in the NBA=4th best team? ahahahaha. u dont think you're being over-critical?
easily debatable.
4th best in the west is a bit harsh. But Duncan, Parker, Ginobli, Jefferson > any Kobe, Gasol, Artest, Insert any current Laker player here
Id say LA ends up somewhere between 1 and 3 in the West. I would be surprised if it were anywhere below 3rd in the West.
sorry, but Kobe, Gasol, Artest, Bynum still > Duncan, Parker, Ginobli, Jefferson
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how much would the lakers be hurt if odom leaves?
I put them in the 4th place in the NBA rankings without Odom.
LOL...wow!
Kobe-Gasol-Artest....the best 3-man combo in the NBA=4th best team? ahahahaha. u dont think you're being over-critical?
easily debatable.
4th best in the west is a bit harsh.
4th best in the NBA, not in the West!! lol.
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how much would the lakers be hurt if odom leaves?
I put them in the 4th place in the NBA rankings without Odom.
LOL...wow!
Kobe-Gasol-Artest....the best 3-man combo in the NBA=4th best team? ahahahaha. u dont think you're being over-critical?
easily debatable.
4th best in the west is a bit harsh. But Duncan, Parker, Ginobli, Jefferson > any Kobe, Gasol, Artest, Insert any current Laker player here
Id say LA ends up somewhere between 1 and 3 in the West. I would be surprised if it were anywhere below 3rd in the West.
I disagree, Spurs have a good squad but if LA can re sign Lamar LA is easily better than the Spurs IMO
L.A. with Odom = repeat.
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even 4th best in the league is ridiculous
PG Derek Fisher
SG Kobe Bryant
SF Ron Artest
PF Pau Gasol
C Andrew Bynum
Coach: Phil Jackson
+world champions
=
4th best in the league? LMAO....not even a hater would make that claim.
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lets say that stands
whos 1, 2, & 3 ?
even 4th best in the league is ridiculous
PG Derek Fisher
SG Kobe Bryant
SF Ron Artest
PF Pau Gasol
C Andrew Bynum
Coach: Phil Jackson
+world champions
=
4th best in the league? LMAO....not even a hater would make that claim.
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lets say that stands
whos 1, 2, & 3 ?
even 4th best in the league is ridiculous
PG Derek Fisher
SG Kobe Bryant
SF Ron Artest
PF Pau Gasol
C Andrew Bynum
Coach: Phil Jackson
+world champions
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4th best in the league? LMAO....not even a hater would make that claim.
even without Odom, we've added Artest and now have championship experience under our belt....well still be number 1. the best coach, the beast player, the best 3-man combo, the best system....i dunno how anyone can seriously place us 4th :-X
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i see you haterz (tha haterz that is) lol
but "dey know"
lets say that stands
whos 1, 2, & 3 ?
even 4th best in the league is ridiculous
PG Derek Fisher
SG Kobe Bryant
SF Ron Artest
PF Pau Gasol
C Andrew Bynum
Coach: Phil Jackson
+world champions
=
4th best in the league? LMAO....not even a hater would make that claim.
even without Odom, we've added Artest and now have championship experience under our belt....well still be number 1. the best coach, the beast player, the best 3-man combo, the best system....i dunno how anyone can seriously place us 4th :-X
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Ok, ok. Damn you two, lol.
Anyway It ain't even about that. You're all focusing on that "4th in the NBA" line, but those ranks means shit. The truth is that Odom is a key player for us on the defensive end. If you have him off the bench, you can defend very well against phisical C's (like Howard and Shaq) by moving Gasol to the C position and by using Odom as 4. This way, Bynum can play aggressive in the first 6-7 minutes, like he did in the Finals, trying to force his opponent to make 2 quick fouls, and he can stop him by fouling him. After 6-7 minutes you move Gasol to the C and Odom to the PF position, and you move Bynum to the bench. It worked against the Magic. But you can also defend against quick and athletic PF's, like KG and Lewis, cause Odom can defend them way better than Gasol (he's top-3 defender when he plays C and he doesn't have to move his feet. He uses his body perfectly and he has high basketball IQ. Watch how he defended on Howard. But when he has to defend against quick PF's he's a bad defender, and he's often exposed).
He's a key player, like i said.
Just like Artest. Cause we can use him to defend against phisical SF's like LeBron James, Melo, P.Pierce (and he's better than Ariza doing it).
You gotta understand it's all about the NBA Play Offs. It's about matching the best way possible against your opponents. And with Artest and Odom we have the 2 keys to defend against any team. The only weak player on defense we have is the PG, but if Shannon Brown continues to improve he can fill that role and maybe even play big minutes for us against players like Billups, Brooks, Parker, Nelson, Rondo.
If we loose one of those 3 players, we're exposed.
That doesn't necessary means they are the 3 best players in our team, but they are the key ones. You know what i mean?
Like i said, with Odom we are just perfect. So let's sign him and fuck all those rumors.
P.S.
Nik having Championship experience has nothing to do with defending against KG, Howard (with Bynum and Mbenga), Shaq, etc..
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Lamar Odom and Lakers resume talks (http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-lakers-lamar-odom23-2009jul23,0,5117681.story)
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By Broderick Turner and Mike Bresnahan
July 23, 2009
Is the table being set again?
A week after the Lakers pulled a pair of contract offers to Lamar Odom off the table, the sides resumed talks Wednesday.
The discussions were labeled productive, but there was nothing to report "at the moment," according to a source familiar with negotiations who was not authorized to comment publicly.
It didn't look great last week for Odom's return to the Lakers after the franchise yanked its offers of three years and $30 million or four years and $36 million, with the fourth year only partially guaranteed.
But the sides began communicating in a more positive light Wednesday. Financial details were not immediately available, though the Lakers were not expected to have improved their initial offers. If anything, the offers might have dropped slightly.
Odom, who will be 30 in November, was a key part of the Lakers' championship run, and his teammates, including Kobe Bryant and Derek Fisher, have unilaterally expressed a desire for his return.
On the other hand, the Lakers are conscious about veering too far into luxury-tax territory. They have already allocated $83.8 million to 12 players next season, which would mean an additional luxury-tax penalty of $13.9 million.
Last season, the Lakers' payroll was $78.2 million and they paid an additional $7.2 million in luxury taxes.
If the Lakers don't get Odom, their options are slim other than a trade. They can sign a veteran forward for about $1 million. They also must decide by Aug. 1 whether to bring back seldom-used guard Sun Yue for $736,000 next season. The Lakers have also considered forward Shelden Williams.
The Lakers have used both spending tools given to teams that are over the salary cap -- the "mid-level exception" of $5.8 million next season was spent on Ron Artest and the "bi-annual exception" of $2 million next season was given to reserve guard Shannon Brown, who re-signed with the team for two years and $4.2 million.
Odom was on the Lakers' books for $14.1 million last season, but will obviously have to take a pay cut. The Miami Heat has expressed interest in him, though the cap-strapped team could offer only a mid-level deal worth $34 million.
The Lakers took their offers to Odom off the table last week after learning he was engaging in discussions with the Heat.
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Thank God.
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Everyone knows he is going to fall back into the Lakers lap, he is not going anywhere.
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Everyone knows he is going to fall back into the Lakers lap, he is not going anywhere.
real talk
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how much would the lakers be hurt if odom leaves?
I put them in the 4th place in the NBA rankings without Odom.
LOL...wow!
Kobe-Gasol-Artest....the best 3-man combo in the NBA=4th best team? ahahahaha. u dont think you're being over-critical?
easily debatable.
4th best in the west is a bit harsh. But Duncan, Parker, Ginobli, Jefferson > any Kobe, Gasol, Artest, Insert any current Laker player here
Id say LA ends up somewhere between 1 and 3 in the West. I would be surprised if it were anywhere below 3rd in the West.
sorry, but Kobe, Gasol, Artest, Bynum still > Duncan, Parker, Ginobli, Jefferson
lol either one of us could argue over whos better between Kobe, Gasol, Artest and Duncan, Parker, Ginobli. But you having to include a 4th in Bynum...makes your 4 weak lol. Maybe if I take off Jefferson and replace him with Matt Bonner.
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even 4th best in the league is ridiculous
PG Derek Fisher
SG Kobe Bryant
SF Ron Artest
PF Pau Gasol
C Andrew Bynum
Coach: Phil Jackson
+world champions
=
4th best in the league? LMAO....not even a hater would make that claim.
lol Fisher will be a liability again. yeah he made some clutch shots, but he was a defensive liabilty last year and you know it...he will only be MORE of a liability this year. You cant exactly call Bynum a sure thing lol. He's still a project at this point. Last year the Lakers had the 2nd best record in the league, and probably would have had the 3rd had Garnett not been out. Not to mention, if the Spurs hadnt played so much of the year missing key players (Manu, Duncan, and Parker) we would have contended more in the West. Im not saying the Lakers WILL end up 4th in the league, Im saying its a possibility. Pretty much EVERY top level team got better. The Lakers picked up Artest, but unless they manage to get Odom back...I dont think they got better.
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how much would the lakers be hurt if odom leaves?
I put them in the 4th place in the NBA rankings without Odom.
LOL...wow!
Kobe-Gasol-Artest....the best 3-man combo in the NBA=4th best team? ahahahaha. u dont think you're being over-critical?
easily debatable.
4th best in the west is a bit harsh. But Duncan, Parker, Ginobli, Jefferson > any Kobe, Gasol, Artest, Insert any current Laker player here
Id say LA ends up somewhere between 1 and 3 in the West. I would be surprised if it were anywhere below 3rd in the West.
sorry, but Kobe, Gasol, Artest, Bynum still > Duncan, Parker, Ginobli, Jefferson
lol either one of us could argue over whos better between Kobe, Gasol, Artest and Duncan, Parker, Ginobli.
LMAO...holy shit
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even 4th best in the league is ridiculous
PG Derek Fisher
SG Kobe Bryant
SF Ron Artest
PF Pau Gasol
C Andrew Bynum
Coach: Phil Jackson
+world champions
=
4th best in the league? LMAO....not even a hater would make that claim.
lol Fisher will be a liability again. yeah he made some clutch shots, but he was a defensive liabilty last year and you know it...he will only be MORE of a liability this year. You cant exactly call Bynum a sure thing lol. He's still a project at this point. Last year the Lakers had the 2nd best record in the league, and probably would have had the 3rd had Garnett not been out. Not to mention, if the Spurs hadnt played so much of the year missing key players (Manu, Duncan, and Parker) we would have contended more in the West. Im not saying the Lakers WILL end up 4th in the league, Im saying its a possibility. Pretty much EVERY top level team got better. The Lakers picked up Artest, but unless they manage to get Odom back...I dont think they got better.
Fisher was only a liability against Aaron Brooks, cuz Brooks had footspeed out of this world...he was able to guard Williams, Billups, Alston, and Nelson....and now we have Shannon Brown, who's looked nice as fuck on both ends when given PT. dude could even be our future PG......I'm not concerned in the least bit. and yea, we're getting Odom back....PeACe
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and yea, we're getting Odom back....PeACe
Odom, Shannon Brown and Artest. Our key players. I said it. With them we're def the best team in the NBA and virtually unfuckable.
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how much would the lakers be hurt if odom leaves?
I put them in the 4th place in the NBA rankings without Odom.
LOL...wow!
Kobe-Gasol-Artest....the best 3-man combo in the NBA=4th best team? ahahahaha. u dont think you're being over-critical?
easily debatable.
4th best in the west is a bit harsh. But Duncan, Parker, Ginobli, Jefferson > any Kobe, Gasol, Artest, Insert any current Laker player here
Id say LA ends up somewhere between 1 and 3 in the West. I would be surprised if it were anywhere below 3rd in the West.
sorry, but Kobe, Gasol, Artest, Bynum still > Duncan, Parker, Ginobli, Jefferson
lol either one of us could argue over whos better between Kobe, Gasol, Artest and Duncan, Parker, Ginobli.
LMAO...holy shit
wtf are you talking about? Gasol or Artest on our team would be our 4th, maybe 5th with Jefferson now, best players respectively lol
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how much would the lakers be hurt if odom leaves?
I put them in the 4th place in the NBA rankings without Odom.
LOL...wow!
Kobe-Gasol-Artest....the best 3-man combo in the NBA=4th best team? ahahahaha. u dont think you're being over-critical?
easily debatable.
4th best in the west is a bit harsh. But Duncan, Parker, Ginobli, Jefferson > any Kobe, Gasol, Artest, Insert any current Laker player here
Id say LA ends up somewhere between 1 and 3 in the West. I would be surprised if it were anywhere below 3rd in the West.
sorry, but Kobe, Gasol, Artest, Bynum still > Duncan, Parker, Ginobli, Jefferson
lol either one of us could argue over whos better between Kobe, Gasol, Artest and Duncan, Parker, Ginobli.
LMAO...holy shit
wtf are you talking about? Gasol or Artest on our team would be our 4th, maybe 5th with Jefferson now, best players respectively lol
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOO
"Gasol and Artest would be the 4th or 5th best players on the Spurs"
anyone hearing this? LMFAO
Gasol had a better season than Duncan, shitforbrains... and Artest led the Rockets to 7 games vs a championship Laker team. youre fucking horrible, i wanna slap u.
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how much would the lakers be hurt if odom leaves?
I put them in the 4th place in the NBA rankings without Odom.
LOL...wow!
Kobe-Gasol-Artest....the best 3-man combo in the NBA=4th best team? ahahahaha. u dont think you're being over-critical?
easily debatable.
4th best in the west is a bit harsh. But Duncan, Parker, Ginobli, Jefferson > any Kobe, Gasol, Artest, Insert any current Laker player here
Id say LA ends up somewhere between 1 and 3 in the West. I would be surprised if it were anywhere below 3rd in the West.
sorry, but Kobe, Gasol, Artest, Bynum still > Duncan, Parker, Ginobli, Jefferson
lol either one of us could argue over whos better between Kobe, Gasol, Artest and Duncan, Parker, Ginobli.
LMAO...holy shit
wtf are you talking about? Gasol or Artest on our team would be our 4th, maybe 5th with Jefferson now, best players respectively lol
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOO
"Gasol and Artest would be the 4th or 5th best players on the Spurs"
anyone hearing this? LMFAO
Gasol had a better season than Duncan, shitforbrains... and Artest led the Rockets to 7 games vs a championship Laker team. youre fucking horrible, i wanna slap u.
Its always funny to hear you try your hardest to get everyone on your side LOL good luck. Youre still clinging on to your ridiculous claim of Gasol having a better year then Duncan lol. Apparantely you havent figured out the way stats work, and how the bigger number is usually better. Especially considering Duncan missing some games and playing less minutes then Gasol LOL. God youre stupid. Artest "leading" the Rockets to 7 games was as much about the Lakers being mentally unstable as it was about Artests leadership lol. Put Gasol or Artest on our team, and they would be considered role players in our system.
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how much would the lakers be hurt if odom leaves?
I put them in the 4th place in the NBA rankings without Odom.
LOL...wow!
Kobe-Gasol-Artest....the best 3-man combo in the NBA=4th best team? ahahahaha. u dont think you're being over-critical?
easily debatable.
4th best in the west is a bit harsh. But Duncan, Parker, Ginobli, Jefferson > any Kobe, Gasol, Artest, Insert any current Laker player here
Id say LA ends up somewhere between 1 and 3 in the West. I would be surprised if it were anywhere below 3rd in the West.
sorry, but Kobe, Gasol, Artest, Bynum still > Duncan, Parker, Ginobli, Jefferson
lol either one of us could argue over whos better between Kobe, Gasol, Artest and Duncan, Parker, Ginobli.
LMAO...holy shit
wtf are you talking about? Gasol or Artest on our team would be our 4th, maybe 5th with Jefferson now, best players respectively lol
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOO
"Gasol and Artest would be the 4th or 5th best players on the Spurs"
anyone hearing this? LMFAO
Gasol had a better season than Duncan, shitforbrains... and Artest led the Rockets to 7 games vs a championship Laker team. youre fucking horrible, i wanna slap u.
Its always funny to hear you try your hardest to get everyone on your side LOL good luck. Youre still clinging on to your ridiculous claim of Gasol having a better year then Duncan lol. Apparantely you havent figured out the way stats work, and how the bigger number is usually better. Especially considering Duncan missing some games and playing less minutes then Gasol LOL. God youre stupid. Artest "leading" the Rockets to 7 games was as much about the Lakers being mentally unstable as it was about Artests leadership lol. Put Gasol or Artest on our team, and they would be considered role players in our system.
yea....gasol would be the 4th or 5th best player on the spurs, and a role player....and im pretty sure u dont sound like a complete dumbass. LOL!
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how much would the lakers be hurt if odom leaves?
I put them in the 4th place in the NBA rankings without Odom.
LOL...wow!
Kobe-Gasol-Artest....the best 3-man combo in the NBA=4th best team? ahahahaha. u dont think you're being over-critical?
easily debatable.
4th best in the west is a bit harsh. But Duncan, Parker, Ginobli, Jefferson > any Kobe, Gasol, Artest, Insert any current Laker player here
Id say LA ends up somewhere between 1 and 3 in the West. I would be surprised if it were anywhere below 3rd in the West.
sorry, but Kobe, Gasol, Artest, Bynum still > Duncan, Parker, Ginobli, Jefferson
lol either one of us could argue over whos better between Kobe, Gasol, Artest and Duncan, Parker, Ginobli.
LMAO...holy shit
wtf are you talking about? Gasol or Artest on our team would be our 4th, maybe 5th with Jefferson now, best players respectively lol
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOO
"Gasol and Artest would be the 4th or 5th best players on the Spurs"
anyone hearing this? LMFAO
Gasol had a better season than Duncan, shitforbrains... and Artest led the Rockets to 7 games vs a championship Laker team. youre fucking horrible, i wanna slap u.
Its always funny to hear you try your hardest to get everyone on your side LOL good luck. Youre still clinging on to your ridiculous claim of Gasol having a better year then Duncan lol. Apparantely you havent figured out the way stats work, and how the bigger number is usually better. Especially considering Duncan missing some games and playing less minutes then Gasol LOL. God youre stupid. Artest "leading" the Rockets to 7 games was as much about the Lakers being mentally unstable as it was about Artests leadership lol. Put Gasol or Artest on our team, and they would be considered role players in our system.
yea....gasol would be the 4th or 5th best player on the spurs, and a role player....and im pretty sure u dont sound like a complete dumbass. LOL!
He would be. I dont know why it makes you so upset lol But its the truth. Youre fuckin hilarious man. Would it make you feel better about your man crush on Kobe if I tell you that Gasol, Odom, and Ariza were all-star calliber players last year and Kobe was lucky to have SO much help. He couldnt have won a title without players THAT good (like you claim they are lol). Is that better? lol
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how much would the lakers be hurt if odom leaves?
I put them in the 4th place in the NBA rankings without Odom.
LOL...wow!
Kobe-Gasol-Artest....the best 3-man combo in the NBA=4th best team? ahahahaha. u dont think you're being over-critical?
easily debatable.
4th best in the west is a bit harsh. But Duncan, Parker, Ginobli, Jefferson > any Kobe, Gasol, Artest, Insert any current Laker player here
Id say LA ends up somewhere between 1 and 3 in the West. I would be surprised if it were anywhere below 3rd in the West.
sorry, but Kobe, Gasol, Artest, Bynum still > Duncan, Parker, Ginobli, Jefferson
lol either one of us could argue over whos better between Kobe, Gasol, Artest and Duncan, Parker, Ginobli.
LMAO...holy shit
wtf are you talking about? Gasol or Artest on our team would be our 4th, maybe 5th with Jefferson now, best players respectively lol
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOO
"Gasol and Artest would be the 4th or 5th best players on the Spurs"
anyone hearing this? LMFAO
Gasol had a better season than Duncan, shitforbrains... and Artest led the Rockets to 7 games vs a championship Laker team. youre fucking horrible, i wanna slap u.
Its always funny to hear you try your hardest to get everyone on your side LOL good luck. Youre still clinging on to your ridiculous claim of Gasol having a better year then Duncan lol. Apparantely you havent figured out the way stats work, and how the bigger number is usually better. Especially considering Duncan missing some games and playing less minutes then Gasol LOL. God youre stupid. Artest "leading" the Rockets to 7 games was as much about the Lakers being mentally unstable as it was about Artests leadership lol. Put Gasol or Artest on our team, and they would be considered role players in our system.
yea....gasol would be the 4th or 5th best player on the spurs, and a role player....and im pretty sure u dont sound like a complete dumbass. LOL!
He would be. I dont know why it makes you so upset lol But its the truth. Youre fuckin hilarious man. Would it make you feel better about your man crush on Kobe if I tell you that Gasol, Odom, and Ariza were all-star calliber players last year and Kobe was lucky to have SO much help. He couldnt have won a title without players THAT good (like you claim they are lol). Is that better? lol
Gasol has led his team as the only all-star to 50 wins in the west and some playoff appearances. do u really in ur retarded ass mind think ginobli or jefferson could ever do that, retard? :stupid: :grumpy: :stupid: wow
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how much would the lakers be hurt if odom leaves?
I put them in the 4th place in the NBA rankings without Odom.
LOL...wow!
Kobe-Gasol-Artest....the best 3-man combo in the NBA=4th best team? ahahahaha. u dont think you're being over-critical?
easily debatable.
4th best in the west is a bit harsh. But Duncan, Parker, Ginobli, Jefferson > any Kobe, Gasol, Artest, Insert any current Laker player here
Id say LA ends up somewhere between 1 and 3 in the West. I would be surprised if it were anywhere below 3rd in the West.
sorry, but Kobe, Gasol, Artest, Bynum still > Duncan, Parker, Ginobli, Jefferson
lol either one of us could argue over whos better between Kobe, Gasol, Artest and Duncan, Parker, Ginobli.
LMAO...holy shit
wtf are you talking about? Gasol or Artest on our team would be our 4th, maybe 5th with Jefferson now, best players respectively lol
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOO
"Gasol and Artest would be the 4th or 5th best players on the Spurs"
anyone hearing this? LMFAO
Gasol had a better season than Duncan, shitforbrains... and Artest led the Rockets to 7 games vs a championship Laker team. youre fucking horrible, i wanna slap u.
Its always funny to hear you try your hardest to get everyone on your side LOL good luck. Youre still clinging on to your ridiculous claim of Gasol having a better year then Duncan lol. Apparantely you havent figured out the way stats work, and how the bigger number is usually better. Especially considering Duncan missing some games and playing less minutes then Gasol LOL. God youre stupid. Artest "leading" the Rockets to 7 games was as much about the Lakers being mentally unstable as it was about Artests leadership lol. Put Gasol or Artest on our team, and they would be considered role players in our system.
yea....gasol would be the 4th or 5th best player on the spurs, and a role player....and im pretty sure u dont sound like a complete dumbass. LOL!
He would be. I dont know why it makes you so upset lol But its the truth. Youre fuckin hilarious man. Would it make you feel better about your man crush on Kobe if I tell you that Gasol, Odom, and Ariza were all-star calliber players last year and Kobe was lucky to have SO much help. He couldnt have won a title without players THAT good (like you claim they are lol). Is that better? lol
Gasol has led his team as the only all-star to 50 wins in the west and some playoff appearances. do u really in ur retarded ass mind think ginobli or jefferson could ever do that, retard? :stupid: :grumpy: :stupid: wow
Maybe. Which is why I said 4th or 5th. He might be ahead of Jefferson on our team. Definetely not ahead of any of the big three.
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Duncan is better than Gasol (even tho Pau proved he can be "that" good too, expecially since he's younger and with probably an higher basketball IQ and much room to improve). But what's the point comparing him to Parker, Ginobili or Jefferson? LOL. You guys are hylarious. I said it: if we keep Odom we're even better than last year, so we are the team to beat. Period.
Oh, on a side note..
KOBE > GINOBILI
ARTEST > JEFFERSON
FISHER < PARKER
ODOM > McDYESS
It's really not arguable.
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Duncan is better than Gasol (even tho Pau proved he can be "that" good too, expecially since he's younger and with probably an higher basketball IQ and much room to improve). But what's the point comparing him to Parker, Ginobili or Jefferson? LOL. You guys are hylarious. I said it: if we keep Odom we're even better than last year, so we are the team to beat. Period.
Oh, on a side note..
KOBE > GINOBILI
ARTEST > JEFFERSON
FISHER < PARKER
ODOM > McDYESS
It's really not arguable.
First off, Gasol has proven he can be better then the best power forward of all time? LOL. So PAU= a top 10 player all time in the NBA?? Are you fuckin kidding me?? He had a worse year then Duncan last year and that was with Duncan having a down year with the injuries. And higher basketball IQ?!? LOL!!!! Duncan is arguably the best fundamental basketball player of all time. His basketball IQ along with his skills are what make him one of the best ever. Not his athletisism. I hate to put a ceiling on someone, but cmon man. You know damn well Gasol will NEVER reach that level. Greatness is typically evident from the beginning.
I said from day one you guys were the team to beat. NIK is the one who likes to make outrageous claims (and u know it) about the Lakers being head and shoulders above everyone lol. IF you guys get Odom back, i think you are better then last year. IF you dont, you are worse. We unarguable improved and if we stay healthy should be right with the Lakers all year.
As for your comparisons lol For one, Ginobli is a bench player and > ANYone on LA's bench.
Kobe>>> Mason
Artest/ Jefferson (too close to call) I really have to see how Jefferson adapts. He should be a consistent 17-21 ppg guy.
Fisher<<<Parker
Gasol<Duncan
Bynum<McDyess (McDyess is a proven complimentary big man, but Bynum might surpass McDyess throughout the year
Odom<Ginobli (this is made closer then normal due to Ginobli's injuries. If he's healthy, he's an all-star player if the team started him.)
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this point in careers, id take Gasol>>Duncan.
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but damn doesnt gasol seem a bit overrated?
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but damn doesnt gasol seem a bit overrated?
How so? He's tall, finally gained some muscle, has good footwork, can use either hand, has good range for a big man, rebounds, has a high FG%, and is a good passer. Despite all this he has only been elected to 2 All-Star games and 1 All-NBA Team Third Team.
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this point in careers, id take Gasol>>Duncan.
yeah because Duncan will more then likely wrap it up within a few years. Gasol is younger. But Duncan was still more productive then Gasol last year AND he's the focal point of the team. Gasol benefits from Kobe drawing double teams. Duncan is the guy drawing double teams to set up their offense.
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i mean im not sayin gasol is wack hes dope and he helped the lakers alot
aite amongst rankin where would you put him (best players right now)
but damn doesnt gasol seem a bit overrated?
How so? He's tall, finally gained some muscle, has good footwork, can use either hand, has good range for a big man, rebounds, has a high FG%, and is a good passer. Despite all this he has only been elected to 2 All-Star games and 1 All-NBA Team Third Team.
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Sources: Odom leaning toward signing with Heat (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=Ansln7ZCOhZdmHXlB6LNr3W8vLYF?slug=aw-odomheat072509&prov=yhoo&type=lgns)
Lamar Odom(notes) is leaning strongly toward accepting the Miami Heat’s contract offer and leaving the Los Angeles Lakers, multiple sources with knowledge of the talks said.
Odom has not reached a final decision, the sources said, but there is growing belief he will ultimately return to the Heat unless the Lakers improve their current offer.
“It’s close, but it’s not done,” said one source.
Lakers officials and Odom’s representatives resumed talking after a weeklong standoff that began when Jerry Buss, the team’s owner, withdrew a four-year, $36 million offer that guaranteed $30 million. Sources close to Odom said that while the two sides have since talked, Buss is now offering less than the Lakers’ previous proposal.
Odom could sign a five-year, $34 million with the Heat or take a four-year contract that would give him the option to become a free agent in three seasons and seek a more lucrative deal. He also would not have to pay state income tax in Florida.
Odom, who will turn 30 on Nov. 6, played for the Heat during the 2003-04 season – the only season in his 10-year career that he didn’t spend in Los Angeles – and has maintained a good relationship with Dwyane Wade(notes).
Odom’s departure would be a huge loss for the Lakers and an unexpected gift for the Western Conference’s other top contenders. He averaged 11.4 points and 8.2 rebounds last season, and played well during the Lakers’ run to the championship despite being bothered by back spasms. The Lakers replaced Trevor Ariza(notes) with Ron Artest(notes) this summer, but Odom’s length and versatility made him a difficult matchup off the bench for opposing teams.
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^ :'( Don't do it Lamar.
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is odom takin any less amount of money by goin wit the heat?
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is odom takin any less amount of money by goin wit the heat?
yes and no. The contract is for less money over a 5 yr period instead of 4 from the Lakers. But the GUARANTEED money is more. The Lakers are only guaranteeing him 3 yrs where he would have 5 from the Heat. ALSO, he wont pay state tax in Miami like he will here. Meaning he will more then likely net more money there.
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is odom takin any less amount of money by goin wit the heat?
yes and no. The contract is for less money over a 5 yr period instead of 4 from the Lakers. But the GUARANTEED money is more. The Lakers are only guaranteeing him 3 yrs where he would have 5 from the Heat. ALSO, he wont pay state tax in Miami like he will here. Meaning he will more then likely net more money there.
He sure as fuck would get an MLE after those 3 years, meaning 42 instead of 34 over a 5 year period. Those state taxes don't make up for that difference. Money is not the reason. He's leaving the current championship team, the biggest market and the glamour of LA for a clear non-contender. Says a lot about how much he likes his teammates, e.g. Kobe.
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thats what im sayin
im tryna find out the real issue of him leavin
was he tryna leave in the season at all?
i mean all of a sudden after he gets his ring, im out? lol
is odom takin any less amount of money by goin wit the heat?
yes and no. The contract is for less money over a 5 yr period instead of 4 from the Lakers. But the GUARANTEED money is more. The Lakers are only guaranteeing him 3 yrs where he would have 5 from the Heat. ALSO, he wont pay state tax in Miami like he will here. Meaning he will more then likely net more money there.
He sure as fuck would get an MLE after those 3 years, meaning 42 instead of 34 over a 5 year period. Those state taxes don't make up for that difference. Money is not the reason. He's leaving the current championship team, the biggest market and the glamour of LA for a clear non-contender. Says a lot about how much he likes his teammates, e.g. Kobe.
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is odom takin any less amount of money by goin wit the heat?
yes and no. The contract is for less money over a 5 yr period instead of 4 from the Lakers. But the GUARANTEED money is more. The Lakers are only guaranteeing him 3 yrs where he would have 5 from the Heat. ALSO, he wont pay state tax in Miami like he will here. Meaning he will more then likely net more money there.
He sure as fuck would get an MLE after those 3 years, meaning 42 instead of 34 over a 5 year period. Those state taxes don't make up for that difference. Money is not the reason. He's leaving the current championship team, the biggest market and the glamour of LA for a clear non-contender. Says a lot about how much he likes his teammates, e.g. Kobe.
Maybe so. My point is that the numbers dont always show exactly what he will be making. State taxes will total out to a very significant amount of money and the Heat contract allows Lamar to be in control of his future after 3 years more then the Laker contract which would put the Lakers in control of his 4th year. Include the Kobe factor...and that might be enough to push anyone away.
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Duncan is better than Gasol (even tho Pau proved he can be "that" good too, expecially since he's younger and with probably an higher basketball IQ and much room to improve). But what's the point comparing him to Parker, Ginobili or Jefferson? LOL. You guys are hylarious. I said it: if we keep Odom we're even better than last year, so we are the team to beat. Period.
Oh, on a side note..
KOBE > GINOBILI
ARTEST > JEFFERSON
FISHER < PARKER
ODOM > McDYESS
It's really not arguable.
First off, Gasol has proven he can be better then the best power forward of all time? LOL. So PAU= a top 10 player all time in the NBA?? Are you fuckin kidding me??
So.. which part of "Duncan is better than Gasol" did you miss? I wrote that Pau proved he can be "that" good (meaning on Duncan's level). And i'm obviously not comparing their careers. I'm talking about last season: Pau was as good as Duncan.
He had a worse year then Duncan last year and that was with Duncan having a down year with the injuries. And higher basketball IQ?!? LOL!!!! Duncan is arguably the best fundamental basketball player of all time. His basketball IQ along with his skills are what make him one of the best ever. Not his athletisism. I hate to put a ceiling on someone, but cmon man. You know damn well Gasol will NEVER reach that level. Greatness is typically evident from the beginning.
First of all having good basketball IQ and having great fundamentals are two different things. That said, Gasol has better fundamentals too. That doesn't make him better than Duncan, tho. Luke Walton has better basketball IQ and fundamentals than LeBron James, is he better than him? No. Duncan is better than Gasol, like i said, and he's a winner, a true leader, a wonderful player, a player who doesn't have up and downs like Gasol. But Gasol can be as good as him at this moment of their careers, and his basketball IQ helped him learning triangle so damn fast, adapting to the NBA style so quickly, and it will probably lead him to be a Duncan-type of player in the next years.
I said from day one you guys were the team to beat. NIK is the one who likes to make outrageous claims (and u know it) about the Lakers being head and shoulders above everyone lol. IF you guys get Odom back, i think you are better then last year. IF you dont, you are worse.
LOL we do agree then.
We unarguable improved and if we stay healthy should be right with the Lakers all year.
You will.
As for your comparisons lol For one, Ginobli is a bench player and > ANYone on LA's bench.
Kobe>>> Mason
Artest/ Jefferson (too close to call) I really have to see how Jefferson adapts. He should be a consistent 17-21 ppg guy.
Fisher<<<Parker
Gasol<Duncan
Bynum<McDyess (McDyess is a proven complimentary big man, but Bynum might surpass McDyess throughout the year
Odom<Ginobli (this is made closer then normal due to Ginobli's injuries. If he's healthy, he's an all-star player if the team started him.)
Whatever...
Lakers with Odom > Spurs (& every other fucking team in the League)
Lakers without Odom = everything can happen cause Cavs, Magic, Celtics, Lakers, Spurs & Nuggets will all be on the same level, basically.
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is odom takin any less amount of money by goin wit the heat?
yes and no. The contract is for less money over a 5 yr period instead of 4 from the Lakers. But the GUARANTEED money is more. The Lakers are only guaranteeing him 3 yrs where he would have 5 from the Heat. ALSO, he wont pay state tax in Miami like he will here. Meaning he will more then likely net more money there.
He sure as fuck would get an MLE after those 3 years, meaning 42 instead of 34 over a 5 year period. Those state taxes don't make up for that difference. Money is not the reason. He's leaving the current championship team, the biggest market and the glamour of LA for a clear non-contender. Says a lot about how much he likes his teammates, e.g. Kobe.
C'mon man, you really think Kobe is the problem? If he's going to the Heat it's because he wants less pressure and he wants to enjoy staying Florida playing in the East, where it's easier for him to reach the All-Star and where he can basically play point guard. It has nothing to do with Kobe.
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Duncan is better than Gasol (even tho Pau proved he can be "that" good too, expecially since he's younger and with probably an higher basketball IQ and much room to improve). But what's the point comparing him to Parker, Ginobili or Jefferson? LOL. You guys are hylarious. I said it: if we keep Odom we're even better than last year, so we are the team to beat. Period.
Oh, on a side note..
KOBE > GINOBILI
ARTEST > JEFFERSON
FISHER < PARKER
ODOM > McDYESS
It's really not arguable.
First off, Gasol has proven he can be better then the best power forward of all time? LOL. So PAU= a top 10 player all time in the NBA?? Are you fuckin kidding me??
So.. which part of "Duncan is better than Gasol" did you miss? I wrote that Pau proved he can be "that" good (meaning on Duncan's level). And i'm obviously not comparing their careers. I'm talking about last season: Pau was as good as Duncan.
He had a worse year then Duncan last year and that was with Duncan having a down year with the injuries. And higher basketball IQ?!? LOL!!!! Duncan is arguably the best fundamental basketball player of all time. His basketball IQ along with his skills are what make him one of the best ever. Not his athletisism. I hate to put a ceiling on someone, but cmon man. You know damn well Gasol will NEVER reach that level. Greatness is typically evident from the beginning.
First of all having good basketball IQ and having great fundamentals are two different things. That said, Gasol has better fundamentals too. That doesn't make him better than Duncan, tho. Luke Walton has better basketball IQ and fundamentals than LeBron James, is he better than him? No. Duncan is better than Gasol, like i said, and he's a winner, a true leader, a wonderful player, a player who doesn't have up and downs like Gasol. But Gasol can be as good as him at this moment of their careers, and his basketball IQ helped him learning triangle so damn fast, adapting to the NBA style so quickly, and it will probably lead him to be a Duncan-type of player in the next years.
I said from day one you guys were the team to beat. NIK is the one who likes to make outrageous claims (and u know it) about the Lakers being head and shoulders above everyone lol. IF you guys get Odom back, i think you are better then last year. IF you dont, you are worse.
LOL we do agree then.
We unarguable improved and if we stay healthy should be right with the Lakers all year.
You will.
As for your comparisons lol For one, Ginobli is a bench player and > ANYone on LA's bench.
Kobe>>> Mason
Artest/ Jefferson (too close to call) I really have to see how Jefferson adapts. He should be a consistent 17-21 ppg guy.
Fisher<<<Parker
Gasol<Duncan
Bynum<McDyess (McDyess is a proven complimentary big man, but Bynum might surpass McDyess throughout the year
Odom<Ginobli (this is made closer then normal due to Ginobli's injuries. If he's healthy, he's an all-star player if the team started him.)
Whatever...
Lakers with Odom > Spurs (& every other fucking team in the League)
Lakers without Odom = everything can happen cause Cavs, Magic, Celtics, Lakers, Spurs & Nuggets will all be on the same level, basically.
Sorry man. I kind of stopped following you when you said Gasol is better fundamentally then Duncan. Duncan is arguably the bed fundamental player of all time, at least as a big. Gasol has a good year last year, no doubt. Statiscally though he was still not as good as Duncan and thats with Duncan playing less minutes per game, missing some games due to injury, and not getting the easy lay ins that Gasol will get due to Kobe drawing so much attention from the defense.
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^ You have never seen a 15 years old Gasol playing basketball.
Watch this and holla back when you see something similiar done by your man.
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/ggrGJFH8xjY
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/7LYOWjzeq6U
And tell me when Duncan managed himself to play that good with another guard/point guard, reading the situations this way, adapting his game to fix this way to an hard system to understand like the triangle, etc..
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/cZSqXZ8D4ns
You are talking about jumpshots and rebounds only, lol. I'm talking about REAL basketball IQ and REAL fundamentals.
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/rLW11MK3c18
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^ You have never seen a 15 years old Gasol playing basketball.
Watch this and holla back when you see something similiar done by your man.
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/ggrGJFH8xjY
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/7LYOWjzeq6U
And tell me when Duncan managed himself to play that good with another guard/point guard, reading the situations this way, adapting his game to fix this way to an hard system to understand like the triangle, etc..
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/cZSqXZ8D4ns
You are talking about jumpshots and rebounds only, lol. I'm talking about REAL basketball IQ and REAL fundamentals.
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/rLW11MK3c18
i cant see those when Im at work. Him playing in the triangle means shit. So did Luc Longley and so would make other bigmen if thats the system their team ran. Duncans nickname is the "Big Fundamental" for a reason. He didnt give HIMself the name lol. If you think Duncan wouldnt thrive in the triangle as much if not more then any other big man then i dont know what to say to u lol
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is odom takin any less amount of money by goin wit the heat?
yes and no. The contract is for less money over a 5 yr period instead of 4 from the Lakers. But the GUARANTEED money is more. The Lakers are only guaranteeing him 3 yrs where he would have 5 from the Heat. ALSO, he wont pay state tax in Miami like he will here. Meaning he will more then likely net more money there.
He sure as fuck would get an MLE after those 3 years, meaning 42 instead of 34 over a 5 year period. Those state taxes don't make up for that difference. Money is not the reason. He's leaving the current championship team, the biggest market and the glamour of LA for a clear non-contender. Says a lot about how much he likes his teammates, e.g. Kobe.
LOL @ haters like you thinking this has anything to do with Kobe. If Odom really wanted to leave, why didn't he already? Why is he still trying to negotiate with the Lakers? This ain't about Kobe, Florida, or playing in the East. This is about contracts.
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thats what im sayin if odom wanted out cuz of kobe wouldnt he try his best to get out and maybe even take a loss, but why would he want to take a loss when some would say kobe or nah fuck that cuz of kobe is why now odom has a ring period lol
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^ You have never seen a 15 years old Gasol playing basketball.
Watch this and holla back when you see something similiar done by your man.
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/ggrGJFH8xjY
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/7LYOWjzeq6U
And tell me when Duncan managed himself to play that good with another guard/point guard, reading the situations this way, adapting his game to fix this way to an hard system to understand like the triangle, etc..
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/cZSqXZ8D4ns
You are talking about jumpshots and rebounds only, lol. I'm talking about REAL basketball IQ and REAL fundamentals.
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/rLW11MK3c18
i cant see those when Im at work. Him playing in the triangle means shit. So did Luc Longley and so would make other bigmen if thats the system their team ran. Duncans nickname is the "Big Fundamental" for a reason. He didnt give HIMself the name lol. If you think Duncan wouldnt thrive in the triangle as much if not more then any other big man then i dont know what to say to u lol
Who cares about Duncan's nickname, lol. Players like Hakeem, Jabbar, even McHale, etc.. they all shit on him if we talk about fundamentals anyway, lol.
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Odom will ultimately stay in LA.
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lol....im tryna figure out who's making the dumber claims in this thread... 7even or daygo? that's a tough one.
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odom would goto any team that offered him a 5 year contract by the looks of it, not cause he hates player X or team Y
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this forum is filled with idiots.
Krasnoe being banned raised the IQ of this forum by 5 points tho
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this forum is filled with idiots.
Krasnoe being banned raised the IQ of this forum by 5 points tho
lol what happened he got banned for good?
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The wait could be over by Tuesday (http://lakers.freedomblogging.com/2009/07/27/the-wait-could-be-over-by-tuesday/20987/)
July 27th, 2009, 12:51 pm
JANIS CARR, OCREGISTER.COM
John Ireland reportedly said on ESPN 710 radio this morning that Lamar Odom would sign with the Lakers sometime in the next couple of days. Ditto the info coming from the Miami Herald, which echoes the time frame I got from the conversations I had over the weekend.
The wait could be over soon.
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lol....im tryna figure out who's making the dumber claims in this thread... 7even or daygo? that's a tough one.
Youre an idiot. Claiming that Duncan is more findamentally sound then Gasol? LOL Even arguing against Antonio only gives Gasol more credit then he deserves on this subject. Then again, what can I expect from delusional Laker fans. You guys can easily be the stupidest fans in the NBA. lol
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lol....im tryna figure out who's making the dumber claims in this thread... 7even or daygo? that's a tough one.
Youre an idiot. Claiming that Duncan is more findamentally sound then Gasol? LOL Even arguing against Antonio only gives Gasol more credit then he deserves on this subject. Then again, what can I expect from delusional Laker fans. You guys can easily be the stupidest fans in the NBA. lol
stfu u stupid mutherfucker, u said gasol would be the 5th best player on the spurs....ur opinion is null and void.
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Stop dickriding Duncan's dick, man. You get emotional over this shit. How old are you? Gasol have better basketball IQ and fundamentals than Duncan. Duncan is the best player out of the two. Gasol played on Duncan's level last season. Face it.
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lol....im tryna figure out who's making the dumber claims in this thread... 7even or daygo? that's a tough one.
Youre an idiot. Claiming that Duncan is more findamentally sound then Gasol? LOL Even arguing against Antonio only gives Gasol more credit then he deserves on this subject. Then again, what can I expect from delusional Laker fans. You guys can easily be the stupidest fans in the NBA. lol
stfu u stupid mutherfucker, u said gasol would be the 5th best player on the spurs....ur opinion is null and void.
I said 4th or 5th. And yeah, he would be behind Duncan, Parker, and Ginobli. Does that bother you for some reason?
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lol....im tryna figure out who's making the dumber claims in this thread... 7even or daygo? that's a tough one.
Youre an idiot. Claiming that Duncan is more findamentally sound then Gasol? LOL Even arguing against Antonio only gives Gasol more credit then he deserves on this subject. Then again, what can I expect from delusional Laker fans. You guys can easily be the stupidest fans in the NBA. lol
stfu u stupid mutherfucker, u said gasol would be the 5th best player on the spurs....ur opinion is null and void.
I said 4th or 5th. And yeah, he would be behind Duncan, Parker, and Ginobli. Does that bother you for some reason?
Duncan and Parker is debatable....but when u say that the current Manu Ginobli and Richard Jefferson are players more valued than Pau Gasol, that is when u look like a complete tool who seriously needs to stfu.
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Stop dickriding Duncan's dick, man. You get emotional over this shit. How old are you? Gasol have better basketball IQ and fundamentals than Duncan. Duncan is the best player out of the two. Gasol played on Duncan's level last season. Face it.
How am i emotional? lol You making a stupid claim makes me emotional? How does Gasol have better basketball IQ and better fundamentals then probably the most fundamentally sound bigman ever? lol. Youre just trying to build up a fellow Euro more then he deserves. He's a B player in this league. Fundamentally he is above average, athletically not so much, skillwise he is ok. What makes you think I, or any NBA analyst would take your assessment of a players Basketball IQ seriously? LOL
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Stop dickriding Duncan's dick, man. You get emotional over this shit. How old are you? Gasol have better basketball IQ and fundamentals than Duncan. Duncan is the best player out of the two. Gasol played on Duncan's level last season. Face it.
How am i emotional? lol You making a stupid claim makes me emotional? How does Gasol have better basketball IQ and better fundamentals then probably the most fundamentally sound bigman ever? lol.
Once again: stop dickriding him! Never heard about Hakeem, McHale, Jabbar, etc?
Youre just trying to build up a fellow Euro more then he deserves. He's a B player in this league. Fundamentally he is above average, athletically not so much, skillwise he is ok. What makes you think I, or any NBA analyst would take your assessment of a players Basketball IQ seriously? LOL
I'm not expecting you or US analysts to understand shit about basketball IQ, lol. You guys can't even call a travelling..
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lol....im tryna figure out who's making the dumber claims in this thread... 7even or daygo? that's a tough one.
Youre an idiot. Claiming that Duncan is more findamentally sound then Gasol? LOL Even arguing against Antonio only gives Gasol more credit then he deserves on this subject. Then again, what can I expect from delusional Laker fans. You guys can easily be the stupidest fans in the NBA. lol
stfu u stupid mutherfucker, u said gasol would be the 5th best player on the spurs....ur opinion is null and void.
I said 4th or 5th. And yeah, he would be behind Duncan, Parker, and Ginobli. Does that bother you for some reason?
Duncan and Parker is debatable....but when u say that the current Manu Ginobli and Richard Jefferson are players more valued than Pau Gasol, that is when u look like a complete tool who seriously needs to stfu.
Duncan and Parker are nowhere near debatable. Our system is run a certain way and no player is going to come in there and change who the first 2 options are unless we pick up LeBron or somebody lol. And even HE would have to adapt to our system. Richard Jefferson is the only one Gasol might be ahead of which is why I said 4th or 5th. Again, Gasol had a great year (for him). But I attribute a lot of that to Kobe getting doubled and teams leaving other players (like Gasol) open in order to stop Kobe.
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Stop dickriding Duncan's dick, man. You get emotional over this shit. How old are you? Gasol have better basketball IQ and fundamentals than Duncan. Duncan is the best player out of the two. Gasol played on Duncan's level last season. Face it.
How am i emotional? lol You making a stupid claim makes me emotional? How does Gasol have better basketball IQ and better fundamentals then probably the most fundamentally sound bigman ever? lol.
Once again: stop dickriding him! Never heard about Hakeem, McHale, Jabbar, etc?
Youre just trying to build up a fellow Euro more then he deserves. He's a B player in this league. Fundamentally he is above average, athletically not so much, skillwise he is ok. What makes you think I, or any NBA analyst would take your assessment of a players Basketball IQ seriously? LOL
I'm not expecting you or US analysts to understand shit about basketball IQ, lol.
Just like i said, youre trying to build up a fellow Euro. Keep trying. Im sure Italians understand the game of basketball far better then Americans lol Likewise, Americans are far more advanced in the game of Soccer then Brazil is. Wow...
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lol....im tryna figure out who's making the dumber claims in this thread... 7even or daygo? that's a tough one.
Youre an idiot. Claiming that Duncan is more findamentally sound then Gasol? LOL Even arguing against Antonio only gives Gasol more credit then he deserves on this subject. Then again, what can I expect from delusional Laker fans. You guys can easily be the stupidest fans in the NBA. lol
stfu u stupid mutherfucker, u said gasol would be the 5th best player on the spurs....ur opinion is null and void.
I said 4th or 5th. And yeah, he would be behind Duncan, Parker, and Ginobli. Does that bother you for some reason?
Duncan and Parker is debatable....but when u say that the current Manu Ginobli and Richard Jefferson are players more valued than Pau Gasol, that is when u look like a complete tool who seriously needs to stfu.
Duncan and Parker are nowhere near debatable. Our system is run a certain way and no player is going to come in there and change who the first 2 options are unless we pick up LeBron or somebody lol. And even HE would have to adapt to our system. Richard Jefferson is the only one Gasol might be ahead of which is why I said 4th or 5th. Again, Gasol had a great year (for him). But I attribute a lot of that to Kobe getting doubled and teams leaving other players (like Gasol) open in order to stop Kobe.
Gasol has had better statistical seasons playing as the first option....try again, tool
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Duncan and Parker are nowhere near debatable. Our system is run a certain way and no player is going to come in there and change who the first 2 options are unless we pick up LeBron or somebody lol. And even HE would have to adapt to our system. Richard Jefferson is the only one Gasol might be ahead of which is why I said 4th or 5th. Again, Gasol had a great year (for him). But I attribute a lot of that to Kobe getting doubled and teams leaving other players (like Gasol) open in order to stop Kobe.
Gasol never saw any open looks off of double teams on Kobe. Why would a center (who plays in the paint) leave his man to defend a guard (like Kobe who operates at the perimeter)? Ariza and Walton were usually getting left open.
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Duncan and Parker are nowhere near debatable. Our system is run a certain way and no player is going to come in there and change who the first 2 options are unless we pick up LeBron or somebody lol. And even HE would have to adapt to our system. Richard Jefferson is the only one Gasol might be ahead of which is why I said 4th or 5th. Again, Gasol had a great year (for him). But I attribute a lot of that to Kobe getting doubled and teams leaving other players (like Gasol) open in order to stop Kobe.
Gasol never saw any open looks off of double teams on Kobe. Why would a center (who plays in the paint) leave his man to defend a guard (like Kobe who operates at the perimeter)? Ariza and Walton were usually getting left open.
LOL@tryna explain this to him, as if he's not just an idiot who's guna say whatever it takes to support his side of the argument
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Duncan and Parker are nowhere near debatable. Our system is run a certain way and no player is going to come in there and change who the first 2 options are unless we pick up LeBron or somebody lol. And even HE would have to adapt to our system. Richard Jefferson is the only one Gasol might be ahead of which is why I said 4th or 5th. Again, Gasol had a great year (for him). But I attribute a lot of that to Kobe getting doubled and teams leaving other players (like Gasol) open in order to stop Kobe.
Gasol never saw any open looks off of double teams on Kobe. Why would a center (who plays in the paint) leave his man to defend a guard (like Kobe who operates at the perimeter)? Ariza and Walton were usually getting left open.
Im not referring to double teams on the perimeter. Im talking about Kobe drawing attention going to the basket. And yes, bigmen very often would leave their man to try and stop Kobe from getting to the rim. Result, wide open looks for Gasol under the basket.
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Duncan and Parker are nowhere near debatable. Our system is run a certain way and no player is going to come in there and change who the first 2 options are unless we pick up LeBron or somebody lol. And even HE would have to adapt to our system. Richard Jefferson is the only one Gasol might be ahead of which is why I said 4th or 5th. Again, Gasol had a great year (for him). But I attribute a lot of that to Kobe getting doubled and teams leaving other players (like Gasol) open in order to stop Kobe.
Gasol never saw any open looks off of double teams on Kobe. Why would a center (who plays in the paint) leave his man to defend a guard (like Kobe who operates at the perimeter)? Ariza and Walton were usually getting left open.
LOL@tryna explain this to him, as if he's not just an idiot who's guna say whatever it takes to support his side of the argument
lol...the irony of the biggest idiot on this forum who says anything to support their side, saying it about someone else. What a dumbass
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^you're an idiot, stfu..dont u realize everyone is laughing at your dumbness in this thread?
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^you're an idiot, stfu..dont u realize everyone is laughing at your dumbness in this thread?
Everyone as in you (no one) and the Italian guy? lol. Hardly worries me. Id love to see either of you two geniuses pose the question to a group of NBA analysts about who is better fundamentally between Duncan and Gasol lol. Then we'd see some laughing.
And so you know, you saying Gasol as the number one option was statistically better then Duncan LOL. Youre taking one of Duncans worst years, and comparing it Gasols best. If you take Duncans best year against Gasols, Duncan has the advantage by far. Actually, if you take Duncans career AVERAGES, he is statistically better then Gasols best YEAR. Try again Scittles.
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^you're an idiot, stfu..dont u realize everyone is laughing at your dumbness in this thread?
Everyone as in you (no one) and the Italian guy? lol. Hardly worries me. Id love to see either of you two geniuses pose the question to a group of NBA analysts about who is better fundamentally between Duncan and Gasol lol. Then we'd see some laughing.
And so you know, you saying Gasol as the number one option was statistically better then Duncan LOL. Youre taking one of Duncans worst years, and comparing it Gasols best. If you take Duncans best year against Gasols, Duncan has the advantage by far. Actually, if you take Duncans career AVERAGES, he is statistically better then Gasols best YEAR. Try again Scittles.
the point is, gasol is currently as good, if not better than duncan....duncan is on the downside of his career, and gasol is on the upside....u are a complete jackass for not acknowledging what me and antonio are truly pointing out....now stfu
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the point is, gasol is currently as good, if not better than duncan....duncan is on the downside of his career, and gasol is on the upside
this is a very BAD point because it's not true and you KNOW it
gasol is a #2 player at his best, duncan is STILL a #1 player at his "decline"
duncan drawfs him in basketball IQ size and ball size (figuratively)
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im not a duncan fan (i actually hate him lol) but hes been in the game for a minute right?
i think daygo is sayin hes been doin this and has done more than gasol and might end up bein a better player than gasol overall....
dont know bout duncan still bein dope cuz he is on the decline despite his injuries
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im not a duncan fan (i actually hate him lol) but hes been in the game for a minute right?
i think daygo is sayin hes been doin this and has done more than gasol and might end up bein a better player than gasol overall....
dont know bout duncan still bein dope cuz he is on the decline despite his injuries
naah, we're talkin about right now....daygo is just being a stubborn idiot, cuz he's a duncan groupie.
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the point is, gasol is currently as good, if not better than duncan....duncan is on the downside of his career, and gasol is on the upside
this is a very BAD point because it's not true and you KNOW it
gasol is a #2 player at his best, duncan is STILL a #1 player at his "decline"
duncan drawfs him in basketball IQ size and ball size (figuratively)
well, if u look at last year, their season was very comparable....duncan looked whack by his standards at times while gasol beasted all season long.
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This guy