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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: OG Hack Wilson on September 01, 2009, 07:47:28 AM
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go bootleg that shit
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Done deal. Also here's a quick review i found. http://www.thestar.com/entertainment/article/689085
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I couldnt see it available in Aussie stores so i bought off a store on ebay. Hope it helps the cause. May buy another for a friend
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i just bought it the now 8)
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I'm gonna buy if I find it (I live in Canada)
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i have pre-ordered, maybe it arrives by the end of this week
support WIDEawake, don't be a cheap leechin' faggot
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job done
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I don't even think it's available here in the netherlands :-\
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Honestly though, does it sound a lot better than the original copy that dropped in '92?
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Best Buy in Atwater, Ca. - $10 - Great price... and to support WA.... come on yall, cop this shit
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Honestly though, does it sound a lot better than the original copy that dropped in '92?
Yes. You should support it either way if you ask me. They are closely working with Crooked I to get his material out so it would only be in your favor if this album does well.
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When I go out later today I'll go get it cause honestly I thought this dropped next week. If I would of known I would of picked it up on the way from school since theres a best buy like right fuckin there.
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i think half of yall would suck somebodys dick for death row material. everybodys fuckin whipped because wideawake might or might not release unreleased material we actually want. fuck that shit. i'm buying raekwon and ghostface and MOP not this.
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Best Buy in Atwater, Ca. - $10 - Great price... and to support WA.... come on yall, cop this shit
lol wow small world, Went to AHS FALCONS!! lol
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Probably gonna get it sometime this week in Toronto. Really curious if the credits book has any credits for the unreleased tracks. Most likely not.
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I'm gonna buy if I find it (I live in Canada)
I don't even think it's available here in the netherlands :-\
welll you guys can always get it from amazon.com, cduniverse.com & cdpacific.com
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i've yet to see any proper comments about the sound quality on this version compared to previous releases.
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i've yet to see any proper comments about the sound quality on this version compared to previous releases.
I don't buy new shit from online retailers, I've orderd my slaughterhouse album weeks ago and I still don't have it =/
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i paid 9.97 not bad
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i've yet to see any proper comments about the sound quality on this version compared to previous releases.
you might one from me in October :D
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i've yet to see any proper comments about the sound quality on this version compared to previous releases.
you might one from me in October :D
you're welfare check doesn't come in til then?
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i've yet to see any proper comments about the sound quality on this version compared to previous releases.
you might one from me in October :D
you're welfare check doesn't come in til then?
well i think i have to wait for that even longer, shit Detox might even come first :P
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gonna cop it sometime this week
Honestly though, does it sound a lot better than the original copy that dropped in '92?
folks say it sounds better than 92 and the re-release from '01.
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job done
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go bootleg that shit
no ,go get ran over by a truck . people go buy it . don't listen to idiots like this.
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dope!! cant wait to get mine 8)
does it have credits for the bonus tracks??
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yes
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i think half of yall would suck somebodys dick for death row material. everybodys fuckin whipped because wideawake might or might not release unreleased material we actually want. fuck that shit. i'm buying raekwon and ghostface and MOP not this.
then get the fuck off a westcoast website idiot
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i believe when this project was announced they said there would be unreleased artwork, is this true? if so what additional artwork is there?
i'll be picking up my copy in a week when OBFCL2 is out.
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i think half of yall would suck somebodys dick for death row material. everybodys fuckin whipped because wideawake might or might not release unreleased material we actually want. fuck that shit. i'm buying raekwon and ghostface and MOP not this.
then get the fuck off a westcoast website idiot
i'll buy west coast albums that i dont already own. i think wideawake is lucky theres a lot of suckers but i buy albums i want. when wideawake releases crooked or something i want i'll buy it. until then i'm not buying albums in hopes of them releasing better albums. do you realize how pathetic that is? and look at everybody going crazy buy relit buy relit. some rich white bitch is getting a fat check and suckering you with crafty marketing techniques. people are more concerned with supporting this greedy corporate bitch then actual artists releasing their own albums.
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Im happy with my purchase.. $10 at Best Buy. Everyone said there'd be no Dre production. Turns out "Young Dave" was produced by Dr. Dre. CPO's song is bad ass. He has such an original flow unlike any other. They need to put out his deathrow contribution for SURE. Nice interview with Dre. I miss this era of music so much. Good to get a taste of it again. Good news is there's plenty more to follow. In just one more month we get Snoop Doggy Dogg: The Lost Sessions!!!! Good shit..... Keep it commin' Wide Awake!!!! Where's "Tha Next Episode" O.G.????
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I bought it today at best buy. First cd I have purchased in over 5 years. I listened to it in my truck on the way home, and I will probably never listen to the actual cd again.
And they credit production for some of the unreleased songs. Dre produced Poor Young Dave, so it looks like they can release his production. I am really hoping we get doggystyle on the snoop album.
And on 3 of the cuts there is no production credited. I remember making a thread asking how it could be proved whether or not someone actually produced a song from back then. I remember some guy explicitly stating that Death Row was a well run business, where all employees made sure all contracts were correct, and made sure they got 100% credit and publishing for everything that they did. Haha, yeah ok bro. Smoke enough bud was most likely either produced by Dre or Daz, and neither got credit, so I guess that completely throws your half ass theory out the window.
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i believe when this project was announced they said there would be unreleased artwork, is this true? if so what additional artwork is there?
i'll be picking up my copy in a week when OBFCL2 is out.
i remember them saying that also..but no unreleased artwork
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Just bought mines 2 hours ago, man that interview wher he talk about eastcoast killaz he wanted all females was deep, forgive me im drunk.
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Is that robbery video the same video they played at the up in smoke tour before snoop and dre came out?
nice to see that bitch's titties from the g thang video
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Is that robbery video the same video they played at the up in smoke tour before snoop and dre came out?
nice to see that bitch's titties from the g thang video
yep finally the titties are revealed after all these years 8)
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i think half of yall would suck somebodys dick for death row material. everybodys fuckin whipped because wideawake might or might not release unreleased material we actually want. fuck that shit. i'm buying raekwon and ghostface and MOP not this.
then get the fuck off a westcoast website idiot
LMAO he sounds like my ex room mate
a huge NY rap groupie who tries to discredit the west
me i love all of them
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i think im gonna buy a 2nd copy and keep it sealed
cuz this shit si gonna be a hip hop collectors item soon
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Update: Man just got thru watching that robbery video, man that chit was off the chain! Thank you, wide awake! 8)
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i bought a copy today. i haven't watched the dre interview yet, but the whole thing was put together well. the robbery scene and the promos were pretty cool. i wonder why they even made the robbery. something like that would never get played on tv
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i bought a copy today. i haven't watched the dre interview yet, but the whole thing was put together well. the robbery scene and the promos were pretty cool. i wonder why they even made the robbery. something like that would never get played on tv
makes me wonder why Tommy Boy records paid for the Live Squad to make a video for the song "Heartless"
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i think half of yall would suck somebodys dick for death row material. everybodys fuckin whipped because wideawake might or might not release unreleased material we actually want. fuck that shit. i'm buying raekwon and ghostface and MOP not this.
then get the fuck off a westcoast website idiot
LMAO he sounds like my ex room mate
a huge NY rap groupie who tries to discredit the west
me i love all of them
let me get this straight i'm a ny rap groupie for supporting promising, new east coast albums over a rip off rerelease of a 17 year old album. okay guy sure
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i think half of yall would suck somebodys dick for death row material. everybodys fuckin whipped because wideawake might or might not release unreleased material we actually want. fuck that shit. i'm buying raekwon and ghostface and MOP not this.
then get the fuck off a westcoast website idiot
LMAO he sounds like my ex room mate
a huge NY rap groupie who tries to discredit the west
me i love all of them
let me get this straight i'm a ny rap groupie for supporting promising, new east coast albums over a rip off rerelease of a 17 year old album. okay guy sure
they gave u like 6 unreleased tracks plus a few free ones and you still wont support? ok makes sense ::)
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do bestbuy and other electronic stores sell these too or just online?
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i think half of yall would suck somebodys dick for death row material. everybodys fuckin whipped because wideawake might or might not release unreleased material we actually want. fuck that shit. i'm buying raekwon and ghostface and MOP not this.
then get the fuck off a westcoast website idiot
i'll buy west coast albums that i dont already own. i think wideawake is lucky theres a lot of suckers but i buy albums i want. when wideawake releases crooked or something i want i'll buy it. until then i'm not buying albums in hopes of them releasing better albums. do you realize how pathetic that is? and look at everybody going crazy buy relit buy relit. some rich white bitch is getting a fat check and suckering you with crafty marketing techniques. people are more concerned with supporting this greedy corporate bitch then actual artists releasing their own albums.
yo, i respect that you're not going to buy it.
but you can't deny that this new company definitely isn't pulling the same trick that Capitol/Priority is doing with NWA.
besides, the price isn't high at all.
also, what's your problem with the new owner?
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Or you could support the "new" west instead and buy You're a Jerk ten times from the Itunes with the re-lit money.
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I bought my cop from bestbuy, is it any different with the wal-mart copy ???
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I bought my cop from bestbuy, is it any different with the wal-mart copy ???
the wal mart one is edited aka censored & has the bonus track by snoop doggy dogg - smoke on. while the best buy does not have smoke on
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Back to what I was saying, the engineer at wide awake need his ass kicked. And and my sound system is pretty decent. Ive got a 1999 lexus es 300 wit stock stereo. Premium Lexus sound. Turned the cd all the way up yesterday and my tweeters were bleeding. Compare the new digital mix to the chronic 2001 mix. Man you can turn a dre record up and it will be no distortion. Turn up this new chrnic mix and all you will hear is distortion. Shame on them nuggaz for a shitty mixing job and for having the reels and not doing them justice ??? :'(
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What is on the DVD? What y'all talkin' about a "Robbery Scene", is it the same that's on the "Up In Smoke" DVD?
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Back to what I was saying, the engineer at wide awake need his ass kicked. And and my sound system is pretty decent. Ive got a 1999 lexus es 300 wit stock stereo. Premium Lexus sound. Turned the cd all the way up yesterday and my tweeters were bleeding. Compare the new digital mix to the chronic 2001 mix. Man you can turn a dre record up and it will be no distortion. Turn up this new chrnic mix and all you will hear is distortion. Shame on them nuggaz for a shitty mixing job and for having the reels and not doing them justice ??? :'(
so i see what you saying . so what is best version of the original chronic, the 92 version, 2001 remastered , or wide awake remastered?
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Back to what I was saying, the engineer at wide awake need his ass kicked. And and my sound system is pretty decent. Ive got a 1999 lexus es 300 wit stock stereo. Premium Lexus sound. Turned the cd all the way up yesterday and my tweeters were bleeding. Compare the new digital mix to the chronic 2001 mix. Man you can turn a dre record up and it will be no distortion. Turn up this new chrnic mix and all you will hear is distortion. Shame on them nuggaz for a shitty mixing job and for having the reels and not doing them justice ??? :'(
so i see what you saying . so what is best version of the original chronic, the 92 version, 2001 remastered , or wide awake remastered?
Of course the og, dre had his hands on that mix 8)
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What is on the DVD? What y'all talkin' about a "Robbery Scene", is it the same that's on the "Up In Smoke" DVD?
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Back to what I was saying, the engineer at wide awake need his ass kicked. And and my sound system is pretty decent. Ive got a 1999 lexus es 300 wit stock stereo. Premium Lexus sound. Turned the cd all the way up yesterday and my tweeters were bleeding. Compare the new digital mix to the chronic 2001 mix. Man you can turn a dre record up and it will be no distortion. Turn up this new chrnic mix and all you will hear is distortion. Shame on them nuggaz for a shitty mixing job and for having the reels and not doing them justice ??? :'(
so i see what you saying . so what is best version of the original chronic, the 92 version, 2001 remastered , or wide awake remastered?
Of course the og, dre had his hands on that mix 8)
lol Remastered 1 is ok, but I heard the OG has that Tap scratch even on the CD (true?)
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I'm gonna buy if I find it (I live in Canada)
I don't even think it's available here in the netherlands :-\
welll you guys can always get it from amazon.com, cduniverse.com & cdpacific.com
I hate to pay for something I'll get later
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shh. need to wait september 28th to recieve it in europe..
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i think half of yall would suck somebodys dick for death row material. everybodys fuckin whipped because wideawake might or might not release unreleased material we actually want. fuck that shit. i'm buying raekwon and ghostface and MOP not this.
then get the fuck off a westcoast website idiot
LMAO he sounds like my ex room mate
a huge NY rap groupie who tries to discredit the west
me i love all of them
let me get this straight i'm a ny rap groupie for supporting promising, new east coast albums over a rip off rerelease of a 17 year old album. okay guy sure
hey butt rapist dont come to A WEST COAST RAP FORUM
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amazon uk say they shipped mine today :)
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Since nobody told me what's on the DVD, i had to download and watch that shit. "The Robbery" was dope, just a bit like the one in the "Up In Smoke" DVD though. Haven't watched the interview yet though, it's over 30 minutes. I will be gettin' this shit as soon as i get some money. What's the next project WideAwake is puttin' out?
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amazon uk say they shipped mine today :)
no shit, so you're still alive :laugh:
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amazon uk say they shipped mine today :)
your kidding, i ordered from .com and its been delayed !
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I bought mine today...it was nice bumping an original cd instead of the burnt copies i had...has a more crisp sound to it...dvd is dope too...they dont block that girls titties thats playin volleyball on the Nuthin But A G Thang video...
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i think half of yall would suck somebodys dick for death row material. everybodys fuckin whipped because wideawake might or might not release unreleased material we actually want. fuck that shit. i'm buying raekwon and ghostface and MOP not this.
then get the fuck off a westcoast website idiot
i'll buy west coast albums that i dont already own. i think wideawake is lucky theres a lot of suckers but i buy albums i want. when wideawake releases crooked or something i want i'll buy it. until then i'm not buying albums in hopes of them releasing better albums. do you realize how pathetic that is? and look at everybody going crazy buy relit buy relit. some rich white bitch is getting a fat check and suckering you with crafty marketing techniques. people are more concerned with supporting this greedy corporate bitch then actual artists releasing their own albums.
yo, i respect that you're not going to buy it.
but you can't deny that this new company definitely isn't pulling the same trick that Capitol/Priority is doing with NWA.
besides, the price isn't high at all.
also, what's your problem with the new owner?
my problem is about everybody fussing about buying re-lit. i'm not crazy about some of their moves so far and they're shady business owners i'm sure but wideawake hasn't done anything that bad yet. my biggest problem is with everybody going crazy about making sure wideawake gets paid. i've never seen half this much effort into getting people to support new albums put out by artists themselves. i think its fucked up that everybodys rallying to buy this reissue of the chronic just because this company could put out more death row material. if they release more stuff great if not oh well. people on here are acting like its worth giving wideawake money buying multiple copies just in hopes that they release more. its sorta repulsive to me that people could have that little dignity and be that fanatical over getting death row material.
honestly its the people on here that've made me so adamant about not buying it because i feel like by buying it at all i'm doing what everyone else here is doing raising money for wideawake and supporting the wrong people in the music industry.
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i think half of yall would suck somebodys dick for death row material. everybodys fuckin whipped because wideawake might or might not release unreleased material we actually want. fuck that shit. i'm buying raekwon and ghostface and MOP not this.
then get the fuck off a westcoast website idiot
i'll buy west coast albums that i dont already own. i think wideawake is lucky theres a lot of suckers but i buy albums i want. when wideawake releases crooked or something i want i'll buy it. until then i'm not buying albums in hopes of them releasing better albums. do you realize how pathetic that is? and look at everybody going crazy buy relit buy relit. some rich white bitch is getting a fat check and suckering you with crafty marketing techniques. people are more concerned with supporting this greedy corporate bitch then actual artists releasing their own albums.
yo, i respect that you're not going to buy it.
but you can't deny that this new company definitely isn't pulling the same trick that Capitol/Priority is doing with NWA.
besides, the price isn't high at all.
also, what's your problem with the new owner?
my problem is about everybody fussing about buying re-lit. i'm not crazy about some of their moves so far and they're shady business owners i'm sure but wideawake hasn't done anything that bad yet. my biggest problem is with everybody going crazy about making sure wideawake gets paid. i've never seen half this much effort into getting people to support new albums put out by artists themselves. i think its fucked up that everybodys rallying to buy this reissue of the chronic just because this company could put out more death row material. if they release more stuff great if not oh well. people on here are acting like its worth giving wideawake money buying multiple copies just in hopes that they release more. its sorta repulsive to me that people could have that little dignity and be that fanatical over getting death row material.
honestly its the people on here that've made me so adamant about not buying it because i feel like by buying it at all i'm doing what everyone else here is doing raising money for wideawake and supporting the wrong people in the music industry.
buying from wideawake is not supporting the wrong people in the music industry. so you are wrong. buying from interscope & sony is supporting the wrong people in the music industry & that is a fact . your mind is twisted & wrong .
so everything you said is bullcrap because it is false .
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Most people will buy this just because they think it will make WideAwake release some new unreleased material, does anybody even know what their next release will be? They might be re-releasin "Doggystyle" with another couple of unreleased songs, some old commercials, interviews and music videos from the album.
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Most people will buy this just because they think it will make WideAwake release some new unreleased material, does anybody even know what their next release will be? They might be re-releasin "Doggystyle" with another couple of unreleased songs, some old commercials, interviews and music videos from the album.
i heard the next release from widewake is snoop dogg .
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yeah, a new album with unreleased material if its like The Chronic, I have 1 problem. If tehy release it as it is now. If they release it they need to release it WITH Gz up Hoes Down, That 1 skit that goes in the beginning of Gz up Hoez Down, and possibly The Next Episode (OG). Now even if the Next Episode is on a bonus DVD(it will be ripped 2 mp3) that's all I fucking want. Fucking Next Episode CDQ. If Doggystyle doesn't have that, then fuck that. lol
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Yeah, if WideAwake releases "Doggystyle" next it better include "G'z Up & Hoes Down" and "The Next Episode" both in CDQ. If they are plannin' on re-releasin "Dogg Food" after that they better include the "Dr. Dre Remix" of "Tha Dogg Pound Gangstaz" on that shit :D ;D
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Yeah, if WideAwake releases "Doggystyle" next it better include "G'z Up & Hoes Down" and "The Next Episode" both in CDQ. If they are plannin' on re-releasin "Dogg Food" after that they better include the "Dr. Dre Remix" of "Tha Dogg Pound Gangstaz" on that shit :D ;D
i don't know if it will be doggy style or the snoop dogg sessions like they have talked about..
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Most people will buy this just because they think it will make WideAwake release some new unreleased material, does anybody even know what their next release will be? They might be re-releasin "Doggystyle" with another couple of unreleased songs, some old commercials, interviews and music videos from the album.
GOOD
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I remember making a thread asking how it could be proved whether or not someone actually produced a song from back then. I remember some guy explicitly stating that Death Row was a well run business, where all employees made sure all contracts were correct, and made sure they got 100% credit and publishing for everything that they did. Haha, yeah ok bro.
That "some guy" was me and that was nowhere near what I said. The context of the conversation was someone either saying or suggesting that Wideawake could just take Dre or Daz tracks and put someone else's name on it. I brought up the point of publishing because that's the road block. It's not about everyone getting fair credit or not. Here is one of my original statements on the subject from another thread:
Daz and the people you named got fucked on the publishing. Whether the publishing records are accurate is up for debate but record companies always keep them so it's not like they can just take Dre's credit off a song and sign it over to Daz or someone else. Artists might go in the studio and party and what not but there is always paperwork. Dre was co-owner of the company so I'm gonna call it a safe bet to say that any track he ever touched in any way over there went through the legal clearances with his publishing company. If there weren't publishing credits for it, it wouldn't have ended up in the auction in the first place.
If WideAwake has knowledge of what tracks Dre produced then trust me, Dre and his legal team do as well. It's one thing to take someone's credit when you are getting the publishing established but it's quite another to try and go back 15+ years later and try to steal it when the publishing credits are already legally established and have been circulated regularly. There's a reason why when you look at remixed Pac song credits, the artists and producers who appeared on the original track are still credited in the publishing even if their work is no longer on the track in question. Music companies are ruthless but nobody is an idiot. If someone produced a song for somebody else and they didn't get credit, it's probably because they signed a piece of paper waving whatever credit they would have got in exchange for money. You can't just outright steal somebody's work. If my vocals are on a song or my likeness is used in a movie or video, the company that is putting out needs legal permission to use it or I can sue their asses.
The misconception here seems to be that you think I believe nobody that ever worked with Death Row ever got fucked on their publishing. I'm not saying that at all. What I was implying was it would be backwards and idiotic to try and swap or swipe credit on songs after the publishing is taken care of. I think with Dre, it would be even that much more of a problem because the guy was already one of the most sought-after producers when he went over to Death Row and as any producer would have at that point had probably been handed his share of lawsuits by people saying they did this and did that.
Smoke enough bud was most likely either produced by Dre or Daz, and neither got credit, so I guess that completely throws your half ass theory out the window.
Not including credits in the booklet doesn't automatically mean that the artist or producer didn't get credit on the publishing. It doesn't completetly throw anything out of the window. Not including publishing is one thing but listing false production credits is another.
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i think half of yall would suck somebodys dick for death row material. everybodys fuckin whipped because wideawake might or might not release unreleased material we actually want. fuck that shit. i'm buying raekwon and ghostface and MOP not this.
then get the fuck off a westcoast website idiot
i'll buy west coast albums that i dont already own. i think wideawake is lucky theres a lot of suckers but i buy albums i want. when wideawake releases crooked or something i want i'll buy it. until then i'm not buying albums in hopes of them releasing better albums. do you realize how pathetic that is? and look at everybody going crazy buy relit buy relit. some rich white bitch is getting a fat check and suckering you with crafty marketing techniques. people are more concerned with supporting this greedy corporate bitch then actual artists releasing their own albums.
yo, i respect that you're not going to buy it.
but you can't deny that this new company definitely isn't pulling the same trick that Capitol/Priority is doing with NWA.
besides, the price isn't high at all.
also, what's your problem with the new owner?
my problem is about everybody fussing about buying re-lit. i'm not crazy about some of their moves so far and they're shady business owners i'm sure but wideawake hasn't done anything that bad yet. my biggest problem is with everybody going crazy about making sure wideawake gets paid. i've never seen half this much effort into getting people to support new albums put out by artists themselves. i think its fucked up that everybodys rallying to buy this reissue of the chronic just because this company could put out more death row material. if they release more stuff great if not oh well. people on here are acting like its worth giving wideawake money buying multiple copies just in hopes that they release more. its sorta repulsive to me that people could have that little dignity and be that fanatical over getting death row material.
honestly its the people on here that've made me so adamant about not buying it because i feel like by buying it at all i'm doing what everyone else here is doing raising money for wideawake and supporting the wrong people in the music industry.
fair enough, i agree that you shouldn't become a sheep.
personally i didn't order this release purely for supporting this new company or to follow anyone else, but i ordered it, because i don't own the original Chronic & i figure the re-lit is a great collectors item, as i'm getting more than with the original :)
the fact that Wideawake gets supported is just an extra, although i'll definitely feel more confident with the fact that this new company gets my money, in stead of Suge Knight.
anyway, you shouldn't blame Wideawake for the fact that some "fans" are trying to force you to buy this new release.
besides, you still haven't broken down why Wideawake is shady.
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amazon uk say they shipped mine today :)
your kidding, i ordered from .com and its been delayed !
i ordered there too, but it has finally been shipped after being delayed once, so you may receive an email too in the next few days :)
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I remember making a thread asking how it could be proved whether or not someone actually produced a song from back then. I remember some guy explicitly stating that Death Row was a well run business, where all employees made sure all contracts were correct, and made sure they got 100% credit and publishing for everything that they did. Haha, yeah ok bro.
That "some guy" was me and that was nowhere near what I said. The context of the conversation was someone either saying or suggesting that Wideawake could just take Dre or Daz tracks and put someone else's name on it. I brought up the point of publishing because that's the road block. It's not about everyone getting fair credit or not. Here is one of my original statements on the subject from another thread:
Daz and the people you named got fucked on the publishing. Whether the publishing records are accurate is up for debate but record companies always keep them so it's not like they can just take Dre's credit off a song and sign it over to Daz or someone else. Artists might go in the studio and party and what not but there is always paperwork. Dre was co-owner of the company so I'm gonna call it a safe bet to say that any track he ever touched in any way over there went through the legal clearances with his publishing company. If there weren't publishing credits for it, it wouldn't have ended up in the auction in the first place.
If WideAwake has knowledge of what tracks Dre produced then trust me, Dre and his legal team do as well. It's one thing to take someone's credit when you are getting the publishing established but it's quite another to try and go back 15+ years later and try to steal it when the publishing credits are already legally established and have been circulated regularly. There's a reason why when you look at remixed Pac song credits, the artists and producers who appeared on the original track are still credited in the publishing even if their work is no longer on the track in question. Music companies are ruthless but nobody is an idiot. If someone produced a song for somebody else and they didn't get credit, it's probably because they signed a piece of paper waving whatever credit they would have got in exchange for money. You can't just outright steal somebody's work. If my vocals are on a song or my likeness is used in a movie or video, the company that is putting out needs legal permission to use it or I can sue their asses.
The misconception here seems to be that you think I believe nobody that ever worked with Death Row ever got fucked on their publishing. I'm not saying that at all. What I was implying was it would be backwards and idiotic to try and swap or swipe credit on songs after the publishing is taken care of. I think with Dre, it would be even that much more of a problem because the guy was already one of the most sought-after producers when he went over to Death Row and as any producer would have at that point had probably been handed his share of lawsuits by people saying they did this and did that.
Smoke enough bud was most likely either produced by Dre or Daz, and neither got credit, so I guess that completely throws your half ass theory out the window.
Not including credits in the booklet doesn't automatically mean that the artist or producer didn't get credit on the publishing. It doesn't completetly throw anything out of the window. Not including publishing is one thing but listing false production credits is another.
Pretty much bang on point.
A fundamental "problem" with Death Row was that pretty much EVERY artist apart from Dr Dre was on Suge Publishing, they were never allowed to work with outside artists if Suge didn't either manage or profiit off the publishing for as it meant Suge wouldn't get paid for it.
In fact, these kinds of publishing disputes are rife in the recording industry and Suge wasn't doing anything 'that' abnormal. He just knew the business.
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Nah, I don't think I'll be buying this, not yet.
Bought Chronic two times already, and I'm not horny for those extra tracks.
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i know what you mean... i've already got 3 copies (original cd, and vinyl, and the other remaster).. but the videos and the extra tracks did it for me. i cant resist.
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Importing it
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i know what you mean... i've already got 3 copies (original cd, and vinyl, and the other remaster).. but the videos and the extra tracks did it for me. i cant resist.
Yeah, I'm gonna cop the relit album for the videos and extra tracks.
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The DVD is actually worth the price alone for me.
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The DVD is actually worth the price alone for me.
Yeah, true that. I still got the original album but i'll be gettin' this just for the DVD. "The Robbery" footage was tight.
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(http://i637.photobucket.com/albums/uu100/djcoma1200/IMG00081.jpg)
Tried to get a good pick a of the nug sitting next to the album but my phone's camera is shitty.
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I remember making a thread asking how it could be proved whether or not someone actually produced a song from back then. I remember some guy explicitly stating that Death Row was a well run business, where all employees made sure all contracts were correct, and made sure they got 100% credit and publishing for everything that they did. Haha, yeah ok bro.
That "some guy" was me and that was nowhere near what I said. The context of the conversation was someone either saying or suggesting that Wideawake could just take Dre or Daz tracks and put someone else's name on it. I brought up the point of publishing because that's the road block. It's not about everyone getting fair credit or not. Here is one of my original statements on the subject from another thread:
Daz and the people you named got fucked on the publishing. Whether the publishing records are accurate is up for debate but record companies always keep them so it's not like they can just take Dre's credit off a song and sign it over to Daz or someone else. Artists might go in the studio and party and what not but there is always paperwork. Dre was co-owner of the company so I'm gonna call it a safe bet to say that any track he ever touched in any way over there went through the legal clearances with his publishing company. If there weren't publishing credits for it, it wouldn't have ended up in the auction in the first place.
If WideAwake has knowledge of what tracks Dre produced then trust me, Dre and his legal team do as well. It's one thing to take someone's credit when you are getting the publishing established but it's quite another to try and go back 15+ years later and try to steal it when the publishing credits are already legally established and have been circulated regularly. There's a reason why when you look at remixed Pac song credits, the artists and producers who appeared on the original track are still credited in the publishing even if their work is no longer on the track in question. Music companies are ruthless but nobody is an idiot. If someone produced a song for somebody else and they didn't get credit, it's probably because they signed a piece of paper waving whatever credit they would have got in exchange for money. You can't just outright steal somebody's work. If my vocals are on a song or my likeness is used in a movie or video, the company that is putting out needs legal permission to use it or I can sue their asses.
The misconception here seems to be that you think I believe nobody that ever worked with Death Row ever got fucked on their publishing. I'm not saying that at all. What I was implying was it would be backwards and idiotic to try and swap or swipe credit on songs after the publishing is taken care of. I think with Dre, it would be even that much more of a problem because the guy was already one of the most sought-after producers when he went over to Death Row and as any producer would have at that point had probably been handed his share of lawsuits by people saying they did this and did that.
Smoke enough bud was most likely either produced by Dre or Daz, and neither got credit, so I guess that completely throws your half ass theory out the window.
Not including credits in the booklet doesn't automatically mean that the artist or producer didn't get credit on the publishing. It doesn't completetly throw anything out of the window. Not including publishing is one thing but listing false production credits is another.
Pretty much bang on point.
A fundamental "problem" with Death Row was that pretty much EVERY artist apart from Dr Dre was on Suge Publishing, they were never allowed to work with outside artists if Suge didn't either manage or profiit off the publishing for as it meant Suge wouldn't get paid for it.
In fact, these kinds of publishing disputes are rife in the recording industry and Suge wasn't doing anything 'that' abnormal. He just knew the business.
So you are saying that it is impossible that employees at death row made beats, possibly busting out several beats in a night, while partying extremely hard, not ever touching a piece of paperwork, got the beats recorded, and that was that?
How in the world can you prove who made that beat? Simple: You can't. Vocals is one thing, but the beats is another. You are going to tell me with all the crazy shit that went on at death row back in the day, Dre made sure the paperwork was done for every single beat that he did? Yeah right. This was 17 years ago. Dre was 17 years younger. He was a big partier and a lot crazier back then. I guarantee that paperwork was not done for every single dr dre beat on those masters.
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So you are saying that it is impossible that employees at death row made beats, possibly busting out several beats in a night, while partying extremely hard, not ever touching a piece of paperwork, got the beats recorded, and that was that?
How in the world can you prove who made that beat? Simple: You can't. Vocals is one thing, but the beats is another. You are going to tell me with all the crazy shit that went on at death row back in the day, Dre made sure the paperwork was done for every single beat that he did? Yeah right. This was 17 years ago. Dre was 17 years younger. He was a big partier and a lot crazier back then. I guarantee that paperwork was not done for every single dr dre beat on those masters.
I'm sure that the ones who did get fucked up and make beats were probably the ones who ended up getting fucked on the publishing. Producing a record isn't like going into a booth and spitting a 16. Do you really think the engineers and mixers were in the studio doing shots of Hennesey and mixing down tracks? I'm sure there were problems with credit. In fact, I know there were. But let's say Soopafly did do this beat and Dre or Daz or DJ John T. Peckerchecker came in and claimed credit for it, they would do so in the publishing process.
Suge's big introduction to the game was over a publishing mishap with Vanilla Ice so he knows how the business is handled. While most people are under the impression that Suge got Vanilla's money by holding him over a balcony and extorting him, the fact is and many insiders have confirmed this: Suge Knight's artist, Chocolate, would have received the same amount from the settlement with Vanilla Ice regardless. In fact, as was proven by the Ruthless fiasco, any paperwork that Suge had with Ice's signature might have been voided on the grounds that it was signed under duress. The key factor in Suge's management getting the money wasn't the paperwork that Suge had but rather the paperwork that Ice was missing. That being a form signed by Chocolate clearing the work he wrote for Vanilla Ice to be used on his album. Now, we're talking about writing here so shouldn't that be the same case as production? How can it be proven who wrote what?
The thing with publishing credit and people getting fucked is it's more like legalized stealing. I think publishing actually gives a bigger percentage of royalties to the person who wrote the song than the guy who performed it so vocals don't mean shit. The thing with Ruthless-Death Row-whatever label is not that Eazy, Suge, Dre, whoever is just coming in and saying, "You wrote or did this but we're taking the credit because you can't prove it". In most cases, it's more like sending a smooth talker to say "We'll give you this nice car or watch or whatever as a signing bonus but you need to sign this contract or we can't use your work." If the artist is naive enough or just isn't up on their business, it might work. If they think they are being taken care of by a label that is like family, they probably assume that once the money comes in, shit's gonna be alright. But it's business and if you don't have your deal in writing, you will probably get fucked. Chocolate could pretty much hold Vanilla Ice over a barrel because he wrote or helped write "Ice Ice Baby" and neither Ice's management or label bothered to make sure he signed off on it yet. Most of these producers who claim that either Suge, Dre, or whoever at their label took their credit, there's a reason why you haven't see many of them walk away with the kind of money Chocolate got or even gone to court in the first place. The reason being they probably signed a release giving Death Row the rights to their work for whatver type of compensation. Death Row in its heyday is a company that is selling albums that go four-to-five times platinum. If they're putting out material on their records without written permission from someone who contributed, they are legally fucked and can be held finanically liable. However, if the person in question signs a form that waives all credit in exchange for money or services, they could produce, mix, and play every damn instrument on that record and not get a cent or their name in the credits. It's very rarely about who actually did what. It's about who has the paper work, my friend. That's the whole point of having contracts in business. It doesn't mean the contracts are all fair and even. In most cases, they are completely the opposite. But if you think a multi million-dollar company spends all this money on studio time and then just invites a bunch of drunken gang bangers in to record and produce records and then waits for a sunny day to sort it all out, I think you might be wrong. It wasn't like Dre got production credit on all those songs because he woke up early on the day they were handing out credits and claimed them before the rest of the guys in the studio could get there. Or maybe he did. What do I know?
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So you are saying that it is impossible that employees at death row made beats, possibly busting out several beats in a night, while partying extremely hard, not ever touching a piece of paperwork, got the beats recorded, and that was that?
How in the world can you prove who made that beat? Simple: You can't. Vocals is one thing, but the beats is another. You are going to tell me with all the crazy shit that went on at death row back in the day, Dre made sure the paperwork was done for every single beat that he did? Yeah right. This was 17 years ago. Dre was 17 years younger. He was a big partier and a lot crazier back then. I guarantee that paperwork was not done for every single dr dre beat on those masters.
you gotta remember something.. while dre was on house arrest he had his in house studio, the artists and the parties came to him (resulting in his house burning down) but also resulting in all the work done at his house obviously being directly attributed to him (and some would argue whether he did it or not).
remember when dre splt suge allegedly went to dre's houes to get the master tapes, apart from the other artists sessions at can-am (i think) most a lot of dre related stuff was done at his house.
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just received mine 8)