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Title: Is this the return of real hip hop?
Post by: mlk93 on September 06, 2009, 04:19:44 AM
With Slaughterhouse ,Eminem return and the Raekwon album, Jay Z 's BP3 even if i don't like the album except D.O.A. What do u think?
Title: Re: Is this the return of real hip hop?
Post by: K.Dub on September 06, 2009, 04:36:34 AM
Eminem return
lol
Title: Re: Is this the return of real hip hop?
Post by: GSmith on September 06, 2009, 05:10:22 AM
Eminem return
lol

At the end of the day Eminem can out rap any other rapper.
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Post by: mlk93 on September 06, 2009, 06:21:10 AM
and i forgot anoutr the new MOP
Title: Re: Is this the return of real hip hop?
Post by: RingMan on September 06, 2009, 06:33:40 AM
why return? real hip hop was here all the time
Title: Re: Is this the return of real hip hop?
Post by: UKnowWhatItIs: welcome to my traps....game over on September 06, 2009, 06:37:39 AM
why return? real hip hop was here all the time
For real, I guess it's the cool thing to say hip-hop is dead.
Title: Re: Is this the return of real hip hop?
Post by: ikke on September 06, 2009, 07:05:33 AM
why return? real hip hop was here all the time
For real, I guess it's the cool thing to say hip-hop is dead.
Nas said so and we have to agree with him ::)

@ the OP you forgot a shitload of great 'real hiphop' albums.
Dopium, A Brand You can Trust, Intermission, Alchemist, Krizz Kaliko.
And that's just the past 2 months...
Title: Re: Is this the return of real hip hop?
Post by: Booz on September 06, 2009, 07:32:35 AM
why return? real hip hop was here all the time
For real, I guess it's the cool thing to say hip-hop is dead.
Nas said so and we have to agree with him ::)

@ the OP you forgot a shitload of great 'real hiphop' albums.
Dopium, A Brand You can Trust, Intermission, Alchemist, Krizz Kaliko.
And that's just the past 2 months...
What is actually the definition of "Real Hip Hop", lol....there is none.
You saying Jay-Z pop-like album is real hip hop, then Eminems usual "I diss celebs and do pills" routine, Raekwons mafia rhymes and Slaughterhouses lyricism with very few topics?

Drake has chick songs, Snoop Dogg makes dope weed songs, 50 Cent is back to making gangsta songs, Mos Def spits socially aware rhymes....THIS MUST BE REAL HIP HOP.  :laugh:

Fuck this shit already, there is many different types of this so-called "real hip hop" which is actually just normal rap music. Listen to what you like and shut the fuck up.
Title: Re: Is this the return of real hip hop?
Post by: ikke on September 06, 2009, 07:40:16 AM
why return? real hip hop was here all the time
For real, I guess it's the cool thing to say hip-hop is dead.
Nas said so and we have to agree with him ::)

@ the OP you forgot a shitload of great 'real hiphop' albums.
Dopium, A Brand You can Trust, Intermission, Alchemist, Krizz Kaliko.
And that's just the past 2 months...
What is actually the definition of "Real Hip Hop", lol....there is none.
You saying Jay-Z pop-like album is real hip hop, then Eminems usual "I diss celebs and do pills" routine, Raekwons mafia rhymes and Slaughterhouses lyricism with very few topics?

Drake has chick songs, Snoop Dogg makes dope weed songs, 50 Cent is back to making gangsta songs, Mos Def spits socially aware rhymes....THIS MUST BE REAL HIP HOP.  :laugh:

Fuck this shit already, there is many different types of this so-called "real hip hop" which is actually just normal rap music. Listen to what you like and shut the fuck up.
Yes lol.

I'm really starting to hate those people who think there better then others because they listen to that 'real hiphop'...

I listen to what I like I don't give a fuck what kind of music it is.
Title: Re: Is this the return of real hip hop?
Post by: SCREWFACE on September 06, 2009, 07:48:43 AM
Dopium

this shit was well received here? lol

that album is actually really entertaining but not for good reasons

TWINKLE TWINKLE I MAKE YA TOES CRINKLE  :D
Title: Re: Is this the return of real hip hop?
Post by: Action! on September 06, 2009, 08:04:53 AM
it never went anywhere
Title: Re: Is this the return of real hip hop?
Post by: mlk93 on September 06, 2009, 08:55:14 AM
When i say real hip hop i mean not that commercial shit i don't speak about the theme of the song . When i say real hip hop i think about these rapper who just want to put good music not the commercial shit with all the same producers and featuring ,with the auto tune shit and the dirty south sound. When i ask this question i don't mean that the hip hop was dead just that he was too underground and  now he might come back on the mainstream scene
Title: Re: Is this the return of real hip hop?
Post by: Paul on September 06, 2009, 09:00:04 AM
Im startin to enjoy alot of the newer releases


It became a bit dry at the start of the year
Title: Re: Is this the return of real hip hop?
Post by: ikke on September 06, 2009, 09:03:34 AM
When i say real hip hop i mean not that commercial shit i don't speak about the theme of the song . When i say real hip hop i think about these rapper who just want to put good music not the commercial shit with all the same producers and featuring ,with the auto tune shit and the dirty south sound. When i ask this question i don't mean that the hip hop was dead just that he was too underground and  now he might come back on the mainstream scene
I see, you don't know what you're talking about...

Raekwon isn't underground at all, em definatly isn't...

Every rapper does it to make money...
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Post by: Nelson Muntz on September 06, 2009, 09:58:15 AM
i love good music!
Title: Re: Is this the return of real hip hop?
Post by: Chamillitary Click on September 06, 2009, 10:08:59 AM
last year we had Nas, Reks, Murs, etc.

different names, same great stuff; didn't go anywhere. ;)
Title: Re: Is this the return of real hip hop?
Post by: white Boy on September 06, 2009, 10:42:01 AM
dont dare say real hip hop and relapse in the same sentence, thats a joke
Title: Re: Is this the return of real hip hop?
Post by: NillerTheKid on September 06, 2009, 11:18:26 AM
When i say real hip hop i mean not that commercial shit i don't speak about the theme of the song . When i say real hip hop i think about these rapper who just want to put good music not the commercial shit with all the same producers and featuring ,with the auto tune shit and the dirty south sound. When i ask this question i don't mean that the hip hop was dead just that he was too underground and  now he might come back on the mainstream scene
I see, you don't know what you're talking about...

Raekwon isn't underground at all, em definatly isn't...

Every rapper does it to make money...

Quote
by Evidence
Coincidentally what I love pays rent
this doesn't go for every rapper
Title: Re: Is this the return of real hip hop?
Post by: GimmeYourShoes on September 06, 2009, 11:19:36 AM
Only a handful of decent releases in a year doesn't mean shit. For now, hip hop stays dead with an used jimmy hat in the ass.
Title: Re: Is this the return of real hip hop?
Post by: Dogg Ly Dogg on September 06, 2009, 12:23:57 PM
Not a return of hiphop but a great year for New York  :o
These releases were really good to me

AZ - G.O.D.
AZ - Legendary
Blaq Poet - Tha Blaqprint
Cam'ron - Crime Pays
Havoc - Hidden Files
Jadakiss - The Last Kiss
Jay-Z - The Blueprint 3
M.O.P. - Foundation
Marco Polo & Torae - Double Barrel
Method Man & Redman - Blackout 2
Raekwon - Only Built 4 Cuban Linx Pt II
Sadat X - Brand New Bein'
Tanya Morgan - Brooklynati
The Large Professor - The LP
Trife Diesel - Better Late Than Never
U-God - Dopium




Title: Re: Is this the return of real hip hop?
Post by: 'EclipZe on September 06, 2009, 01:09:12 PM
detroit has been active !
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Post by: Blasphemy on September 06, 2009, 01:41:08 PM
Well all I know is yes, Death Row is starting to come back with more releases (Figures they would help with the return of non-bullshit rap). lol IMO though the game is fucked, but the West Coast as well as other acts that weren't bullshit are starting to come back.
Title: Re: Is this the return of real hip hop?
Post by: Jimmy H. on September 06, 2009, 03:34:43 PM
I think there has always been at least a handful of good albums to chose from but I don't think from a consistency standpoint, I'd call it any kind of "return".
Title: Re: Is this the return of real hip hop?
Post by: westside159 on September 07, 2009, 10:30:22 PM
Yes good hip hop is making a comebacc with those albums , Only Built , Relapse 2 , The Worlds Enemy -Bone , Blueprint 3 , Dr Dre's Solo album , Lupe Fiasco's next album , even 50 Cents Before I Self Destruct , The Wizard Of Poetry , The G Filez , Snoop's next album , Method Mans solo , Redmans Solo  etc etc
Title: Re: Is this the return of real hip hop?
Post by: TraceOneInfinite Flat Earther 96' on September 07, 2009, 11:23:27 PM
from the looks of it, Kudi's album seems to be the best thing to come to hip-hop since 8 Mile
Title: Re: Is this the return of real hip hop?
Post by: Paul on September 08, 2009, 03:33:35 AM
from the looks of it, Kudi's album seems to be the best thing to come to hip-hop since 8 Mile


Its not, theres a lack of energy on it that brings the album down
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Post by: wcsoldier on September 08, 2009, 04:54:33 AM
Slaughterhouse lp was good but its replay value is low , BP3 is completely garbarge and the only quality aspect of Relapse is the production ....

On the other hand, OBCL2 is the most solid album we got for 3-4 years ...
Title: Re: Is this the return of real hip hop?
Post by: Action! on September 08, 2009, 07:06:23 AM
open your ears up dawwg


Reks Grey Hairs & More Grey Hairs
Title: Re: Is this the return of real hip hop?
Post by: TraceOneInfinite Flat Earther 96' on September 08, 2009, 09:23:21 AM

Its not, theres a lack of energy on it that brings the album down


yeah but hopefully the sound is good enough to overcome the lack of energy
Title: Re: Is this the return of real hip hop?
Post by: MediumL on September 08, 2009, 09:27:51 AM
I felt it was ^^. I wouldn't say its the return of real hip hop cause to me hip hops always been there. in terms of the hip hop i like this year has been very boring until now. OB4CL 2 seems like the closest thing we're going to get to the mafioso classics of the 96-97. Kid Cudis is fresh in every sense of the word but should probably have been released for the start of summer rather than the end  :laugh: Wales album is shaping up to be dope, Clipse, Lupe, Saigon, Bishop Lamont (mixtapes) and Nipsey Hussle still to bat could turn out to be a very dope year.

Btw need to check that MOP...
Title: Re: Is this the return of real hip hop?
Post by: westside159 on September 08, 2009, 09:56:47 AM
Yes good hip hop is making a comebacc with those albums , Only Built , Relapse 2 , The Worlds Enemy -Bone , Blueprint 3 , Dr Dre's Solo album , Lupe Fiasco's next album , even 50 Cents Before I Self Destruct , The Wizard Of Poetry , The G Filez , Snoop's next album , Method Mans solo , Redmans Solo  etc etc

The Best albums comin out
Title: Re: Is this the return of real hip hop?
Post by: MediumL on September 08, 2009, 10:29:55 AM
doubt most of those will drop this year ^^^. Redman and Meth dropping solos should be dope though!
Title: Re: Is this the return of real hip hop?
Post by: TraceOneInfinite Flat Earther 96' on September 08, 2009, 11:55:10 AM

Its not, theres a lack of energy on it that brings the album down


yeah but hopefully the sound is good enough to overcome the lack of energy

Just finished listening to the Kid Cudi album, it gave me hope, but then disappointed.  Hip-Hop is Still Dead.
Title: Re: Is this the return of real hip hop?
Post by: sav on September 08, 2009, 12:20:28 PM
Hip-Hop is Still Dead.

 :sleep:
Title: Re: Is this the return of real hip hop?
Post by: Shallow on September 08, 2009, 01:42:18 PM
Just because something isn't good doesn't mean it isn't real. What makes fake hip hop fake? Some of the best hip hop is in the gangster rap category and that is complete fantasy in most cases. I could take Biggies verses from Brooklyn's Finst of Reasonable Doubt and show you rapping at it's finest but it's some of the fakest shit in music. Meanwhile so very bad Will Smith verses could be completely legit and very real.


Stop saying real hip hop. Just because something sucks doesn't mean it's not real. Just say good or bad.
Title: Re: Is this the return of real hip hop?
Post by: TraceOneInfinite Flat Earther 96' on September 08, 2009, 02:46:43 PM
Just because something isn't good doesn't mean it isn't real. What makes fake hip hop fake? Some of the best hip hop is in the gangster rap category and that is complete fantasy in most cases. I could take Biggies verses from Brooklyn's Finst of Reasonable Doubt and show you rapping at it's finest but it's some of the fakest shit in music. Meanwhile so very bad Will Smith verses could be completely legit and very real.


Stop saying real hip hop. Just because something sucks doesn't mean it's not real. Just say good or bad.

The reason I'd call an album like the Chronic "real" is that it represented the style and character of the hood in Compton.  Whereas Will Smith is representing Hollywood.
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Post by: Blasphemy on September 08, 2009, 03:16:13 PM
How many people can actually say what's real hip-hop and actually get it correct? 10 bucks says half the mothers throwing it around don't know what real hip-hop is and only go based off the people who do know. Swear, time for another poll lol 8)
Title: Re: Is this the return of real hip hop?
Post by: Cali Climate on September 08, 2009, 03:18:36 PM
Just because something isn't good doesn't mean it isn't real. What makes fake hip hop fake? Some of the best hip hop is in the gangster rap category and that is complete fantasy in most cases. I could take Biggies verses from Brooklyn's Finst of Reasonable Doubt and show you rapping at it's finest but it's some of the fakest shit in music. Meanwhile so very bad Will Smith verses could be completely legit and very real.


Stop saying real hip hop. Just because something sucks doesn't mean it's not real. Just say good or bad.

The reason I'd call an album like the Chronic "real" is that it represented the style and character of the hood in Compton.  Whereas Will Smith is representing Hollywood.


But if Will Smith is accurately representing the style and character of hollywood, doesn't that make him just as real?
Title: Re: Is this the return of real hip hop?
Post by: TraceOneInfinite Flat Earther 96' on September 08, 2009, 04:44:10 PM

But if Will Smith is accurately representing the style and character of hollywood, doesn't that make him just as real?


Sure.

See it all depends on your point of reference.  See, this had a lot to do with what was going on in the entertainment industry back in the days gangsta rap began.  Basically in those days music and entertainment did not show that kind of lifestyle.  Back then the biggest rap acts were MC Hammer and Vanilla Ice.  And people like Michael Jackson were still the biggest stars in music.  So obviously there was a feeling around Compton that their was a lot of talent and creativity in the area, but that their voices weren't being heard.  And often they were asked to sell-out like Hammer to make it big. 

So when NWA came out and when the Chronic came out, from the perspective of the average everyday man on the streets, it was "keeping it real".  So that's where the term comes from.  When Dre says "keep it real" he is talking about the shit that used to go unheard and Hollywood that he was now presenting to a broader audience.
Title: Re: Is this the return of real hip hop?
Post by: Shallow on September 08, 2009, 07:39:10 PM
Just because something isn't good doesn't mean it isn't real. What makes fake hip hop fake? Some of the best hip hop is in the gangster rap category and that is complete fantasy in most cases. I could take Biggies verses from Brooklyn's Finst of Reasonable Doubt and show you rapping at it's finest but it's some of the fakest shit in music. Meanwhile so very bad Will Smith verses could be completely legit and very real.


Stop saying real hip hop. Just because something sucks doesn't mean it's not real. Just say good or bad.

The reason I'd call an album like the Chronic "real" is that it represented the style and character of the hood in Compton.  Whereas Will Smith is representing Hollywood.


Every form of art accurately represents something and misrepresents something when it tackles such a broad subject as a lifestyle. It's neither fake or real. It just is. Whether it's good or bad can debated with me. I just don't get the point in equating good with "real".
Title: Re: Is this the return of real hip hop?
Post by: TraceOneInfinite Flat Earther 96' on September 08, 2009, 08:15:43 PM

Every form of art accurately represents something and misrepresents something when it tackles such a broad subject as a lifestyle. It's neither fake or real. It just is. Whether it's good or bad can debated with me. I just don't get the point in equating good with "real".


Yeah... you know what... you are so right!  Hey man, too bad somebody like you wasn't around to tell Dr. Dre this before he made the album the Chronic, he could have avoided massive failure, and put a disclaimer in the liner notes that said "All references to 'keeping it real' are relative only to certain groups of people, and should not in any way be taken as the reality of all people of all walks of life".
Title: Re: Is this the return of real hip hop?
Post by: Action! on September 08, 2009, 09:27:02 PM
infinite you speak some truth but you're also hater

just stop with this hip-hop is dead shit
Title: Re: Is this the return of real hip hop?
Post by: Shallow on September 08, 2009, 10:24:47 PM

Every form of art accurately represents something and misrepresents something when it tackles such a broad subject as a lifestyle. It's neither fake or real. It just is. Whether it's good or bad can debated with me. I just don't get the point in equating good with "real".


Yeah... you know what... you are so right!  Hey man, too bad somebody like you wasn't around to tell Dr. Dre this before he made the album the Chronic, he could have avoided massive failure, and put a disclaimer in the liner notes that said "All references to 'keeping it real' are relative only to certain groups of people, and should not in any way be taken as the reality of all people of all walks of life".

What are you talking about? I never said Chronic was a bad album and needed to be more real. It's agreat album and the character he plays in the album is representative of a certain culture. But let's not be foolish. Dre was in it for the cash. Just like Suge was. They played characters. In Suge's case life ended up imitating art and he paid the price for that. Neither of these guys were real spokesmen for the streets, ever. They exploited the struggles of the ghetto for profit, all the while romanticizing it for mass appeal. They sold their phony representation of Compton life to the white suburbs and made a lot of cash doing it. No one in the mainstream market wanted to hear about real every day problems of young black men in the ghetto. They wanted gangland tales of bravado filled mass murderers and women treated worse than property.

I'd argue this track out of New York the year before Chronic came out does a better job representing Compton life than anything on Deathrow ever did.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFQQeUNaZtc

It's a much better track and much "realer", and it never broke the mainstream. There was no charasmatic lead vocalist to make it sound pop, and no easy to listen to sample to carry the track. And the lyrics were too realistic and depressing to ever break through.

Dre sold out just like Hammer did, and that's why he sold all those records.

You can change these lyrics slightly like I did and it would easily fit on Doggiestyle.

I'm on a roll and it's time to go solo
Rollin in my 5.0
With my ragtop down so my hair can blow
The bitches on standby
Waving just to say HI
Did you stop?
No--I just drove by
Kept on pursuing to the next stop
I bust a left and I'm heading to the next block
That block was dead
Yo--so I continued to A1A Beachfront Ave.
Bitches were hot wearing less than bikinis
Rockman lovers driving Lamborghinis
Jealous 'cause I'm out getting mine
Snoop with a guage and Kurupt with a nine
Reading for the chumps on the wall
The Chumps are acting ill because they're so full of eight balls
Gunshots ranged out like a bell
I grabbed my nine--
All I heard were shells
Fallin on the concrete real fast
Jumped in my car, slammed on the gas
Bumper to bumper the avenue's packed
I'm tryin to get away before the jackers jack
Police on the scene
You know what I mean
They passed me up, confronted all the dope fiends
If there was a problem
Yo, I'll solve it
Check out the hook while my Dr Dre revolves it
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Post by: Roccy on September 09, 2009, 12:00:58 AM
why return? real hip hop was here all the time
For real, I guess it's the cool thing to say hip-hop is dead.
Nas said so and we have to agree with him ::)

@ the OP you forgot a shitload of great 'real hiphop' albums.
Dopium, A Brand You can Trust, Intermission, Alchemist, Krizz Kaliko.
And that's just the past 2 months...


Listen to what you like and shut the fuck up.
Title: Re: Is this the return of real hip hop?
Post by: Dre-Day on September 09, 2009, 12:44:33 AM

Every form of art accurately represents something and misrepresents something when it tackles such a broad subject as a lifestyle. It's neither fake or real. It just is. Whether it's good or bad can debated with me. I just don't get the point in equating good with "real".


Yeah... you know what... you are so right!  Hey man, too bad somebody like you wasn't around to tell Dr. Dre this before he made the album the Chronic, he could have avoided massive failure, and put a disclaimer in the liner notes that said "All references to 'keeping it real' are relative only to certain groups of people, and should not in any way be taken as the reality of all people of all walks of life".

What are you talking about? I never said Chronic was a bad album and needed to be more real. It's agreat album and the character he plays in the album is representative of a certain culture. But let's not be foolish. Dre was in it for the cash. Just like Suge was. They played characters. In Suge's case life ended up imitating art and he paid the price for that. Neither of these guys were real spokesmen for the streets, ever. They exploited the struggles of the ghetto for profit, all the while romanticizing it for mass appeal. They sold their phony representation of Compton life to the white suburbs and made a lot of cash doing it. No one in the mainstream market wanted to hear about real every day problems of young black men in the ghetto. They wanted gangland tales of bravado filled mass murderers and women treated worse than property.

I'd argue this track out of New York the year before Chronic came out does a better job representing Compton life than anything on Deathrow ever did.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFQQeUNaZtc

It's a much better track and much "realer", and it never broke the mainstream. There was no charasmatic lead vocalist to make it sound pop, and no easy to listen to sample to carry the track. And the lyrics were too realistic and depressing to ever break through.

Dre sold out just like Hammer did, and that's why he sold all those records.

You can change these lyrics slightly like I did and it would easily fit on Doggiestyle.

I'm on a roll and it's time to go solo
Rollin in my 5.0
With my ragtop down so my hair can blow
The bitches on standby
Waving just to say HI
Did you stop?
No--I just drove by
Kept on pursuing to the next stop
I bust a left and I'm heading to the next block
That block was dead
Yo--so I continued to A1A Beachfront Ave.
Bitches were hot wearing less than bikinis
Rockman lovers driving Lamborghinis
Jealous 'cause I'm out getting mine
Snoop with a guage and Kurupt with a nine
Reading for the chumps on the wall
The Chumps are acting ill because they're so full of eight balls
Gunshots ranged out like a bell
I grabbed my nine--
All I heard were shells
Fallin on the concrete real fast
Jumped in my car, slammed on the gas
Bumper to bumper the avenue's packed
I'm tryin to get away before the jackers jack
Police on the scene
You know what I mean
They passed me up, confronted all the dope fiends
If there was a problem
Yo, I'll solve it
Check out the hook while my Dr Dre revolves it

oh shut up man, you're acting like Dr.Dre is some sort of evil 19th century capitalist type  ::)
Dre is not just in it for the money, but also for the art.
yes he crossed over with NWA, but you make it sound like it's a bad thing to bridge the gap between underground and mainstream

Title: Re: Is this the return of real hip hop?
Post by: K.Dub on September 09, 2009, 01:15:53 AM


I'd argue this track out of New York the year before Chronic came out does a better job representing Compton life than anything on Deathrow ever did.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFQQeUNaZtc

It's a much better track and much "realer", and it never broke the mainstream. There was no charasmatic lead vocalist to make it sound pop, and no easy to listen to sample to carry the track. And the lyrics were too realistic and depressing to ever break through.



Such a classic track
Title: Re: Is this the return of real hip hop?
Post by: Soopahigh on September 09, 2009, 04:40:46 AM
Cant believe yall forgot about Cormega's Born and raised.
I made a thread about it
Title: Re: Is this the return of real hip hop?
Post by: MediumL on September 09, 2009, 05:52:16 AM



I'd argue this track out of New York the year before Chronic came out does a better job representing Compton life than anything on Deathrow ever did.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFQQeUNaZtc

It's a much better track and much "realer", and it never broke the mainstream. There was no charasmatic lead vocalist to make it sound pop, and no easy to listen to sample to carry the track. And the lyrics were too realistic and depressing to ever break through.



I'd take Lil Ghetto boy over that tune any day!
Title: Re: Is this the return of real hip hop?
Post by: Blasphemy on September 09, 2009, 07:09:15 AM



I'd argue this track out of New York the year before Chronic came out does a better job representing Compton life than anything on Deathrow ever did.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFQQeUNaZtc

It's a much better track and much "realer", and it never broke the mainstream. There was no charasmatic lead vocalist to make it sound pop, and no easy to listen to sample to carry the track. And the lyrics were too realistic and depressing to ever break through.



I'd take Lil Ghetto boy over that tune any day!

Yeah, that and the day the niggaz took over were really the only 2 tracks that really capture the feeling of LA at the time. Little Ghetto boy, showed harsh side and how it seems like life is nothing more then a path of self destruction just to earn some money. While Niggaz, was how everyone felt after the verdict came down. It was literally the day police had no control and the community ran everything.
Title: Re: Is this the return of real hip hop?
Post by: Shallow on September 09, 2009, 08:48:55 AM

Every form of art accurately represents something and misrepresents something when it tackles such a broad subject as a lifestyle. It's neither fake or real. It just is. Whether it's good or bad can debated with me. I just don't get the point in equating good with "real".


Yeah... you know what... you are so right!  Hey man, too bad somebody like you wasn't around to tell Dr. Dre this before he made the album the Chronic, he could have avoided massive failure, and put a disclaimer in the liner notes that said "All references to 'keeping it real' are relative only to certain groups of people, and should not in any way be taken as the reality of all people of all walks of life".

What are you talking about? I never said Chronic was a bad album and needed to be more real. It's agreat album and the character he plays in the album is representative of a certain culture. But let's not be foolish. Dre was in it for the cash. Just like Suge was. They played characters. In Suge's case life ended up imitating art and he paid the price for that. Neither of these guys were real spokesmen for the streets, ever. They exploited the struggles of the ghetto for profit, all the while romanticizing it for mass appeal. They sold their phony representation of Compton life to the white suburbs and made a lot of cash doing it. No one in the mainstream market wanted to hear about real every day problems of young black men in the ghetto. They wanted gangland tales of bravado filled mass murderers and women treated worse than property.

I'd argue this track out of New York the year before Chronic came out does a better job representing Compton life than anything on Deathrow ever did.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFQQeUNaZtc

It's a much better track and much "realer", and it never broke the mainstream. There was no charasmatic lead vocalist to make it sound pop, and no easy to listen to sample to carry the track. And the lyrics were too realistic and depressing to ever break through.

Dre sold out just like Hammer did, and that's why he sold all those records.

You can change these lyrics slightly like I did and it would easily fit on Doggiestyle.

I'm on a roll and it's time to go solo
Rollin in my 5.0
With my ragtop down so my hair can blow
The bitches on standby
Waving just to say HI
Did you stop?
No--I just drove by
Kept on pursuing to the next stop
I bust a left and I'm heading to the next block
That block was dead
Yo--so I continued to A1A Beachfront Ave.
Bitches were hot wearing less than bikinis
Rockman lovers driving Lamborghinis
Jealous 'cause I'm out getting mine
Snoop with a guage and Kurupt with a nine
Reading for the chumps on the wall
The Chumps are acting ill because they're so full of eight balls
Gunshots ranged out like a bell
I grabbed my nine--
All I heard were shells
Fallin on the concrete real fast
Jumped in my car, slammed on the gas
Bumper to bumper the avenue's packed
I'm tryin to get away before the jackers jack
Police on the scene
You know what I mean
They passed me up, confronted all the dope fiends
If there was a problem
Yo, I'll solve it
Check out the hook while my Dr Dre revolves it

oh shut up man, you're acting like Dr.Dre is some sort of evil 19th century capitalist type  ::)
Dre is not just in it for the money, but also for the art.
yes he crossed over with NWA, but you make it sound like it's a bad thing to bridge the gap between underground and mainstream




I'm not making it sound like anything. Hammer was in it for the art too. So were the fucking Beastie Boys when they recorded Fight For Your Right to Party. And there is nothing wrong with walking the mainstream line. I never said there was. Infinite did. I'm just showing that Dre made a lot of changes in his style to sell himself to the mass market. Guru on the other hand probably acts almost exactly the same on record as he does in real life. That is not why I think Guru is better, or why I think Just to get a Rep is better than Lil Ghetto Boy. What's "realer" is not the issue for me.
Title: Re: Is this the return of real hip hop?
Post by: Dre-Day on September 09, 2009, 09:33:16 AM

Every form of art accurately represents something and misrepresents something when it tackles such a broad subject as a lifestyle. It's neither fake or real. It just is. Whether it's good or bad can debated with me. I just don't get the point in equating good with "real".


Yeah... you know what... you are so right!  Hey man, too bad somebody like you wasn't around to tell Dr. Dre this before he made the album the Chronic, he could have avoided massive failure, and put a disclaimer in the liner notes that said "All references to 'keeping it real' are relative only to certain groups of people, and should not in any way be taken as the reality of all people of all walks of life".

What are you talking about? I never said Chronic was a bad album and needed to be more real. It's agreat album and the character he plays in the album is representative of a certain culture. But let's not be foolish. Dre was in it for the cash. Just like Suge was. They played characters. In Suge's case life ended up imitating art and he paid the price for that. Neither of these guys were real spokesmen for the streets, ever. They exploited the struggles of the ghetto for profit, all the while romanticizing it for mass appeal. They sold their phony representation of Compton life to the white suburbs and made a lot of cash doing it. No one in the mainstream market wanted to hear about real every day problems of young black men in the ghetto. They wanted gangland tales of bravado filled mass murderers and women treated worse than property.

I'd argue this track out of New York the year before Chronic came out does a better job representing Compton life than anything on Deathrow ever did.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFQQeUNaZtc

It's a much better track and much "realer", and it never broke the mainstream. There was no charasmatic lead vocalist to make it sound pop, and no easy to listen to sample to carry the track. And the lyrics were too realistic and depressing to ever break through.

Dre sold out just like Hammer did, and that's why he sold all those records.

You can change these lyrics slightly like I did and it would easily fit on Doggiestyle.

I'm on a roll and it's time to go solo
Rollin in my 5.0
With my ragtop down so my hair can blow
The bitches on standby
Waving just to say HI
Did you stop?
No--I just drove by
Kept on pursuing to the next stop
I bust a left and I'm heading to the next block
That block was dead
Yo--so I continued to A1A Beachfront Ave.
Bitches were hot wearing less than bikinis
Rockman lovers driving Lamborghinis
Jealous 'cause I'm out getting mine
Snoop with a guage and Kurupt with a nine
Reading for the chumps on the wall
The Chumps are acting ill because they're so full of eight balls
Gunshots ranged out like a bell
I grabbed my nine--
All I heard were shells
Fallin on the concrete real fast
Jumped in my car, slammed on the gas
Bumper to bumper the avenue's packed
I'm tryin to get away before the jackers jack
Police on the scene
You know what I mean
They passed me up, confronted all the dope fiends
If there was a problem
Yo, I'll solve it
Check out the hook while my Dr Dre revolves it

oh shut up man, you're acting like Dr.Dre is some sort of evil 19th century capitalist type  ::)
Dre is not just in it for the money, but also for the art.
yes he crossed over with NWA, but you make it sound like it's a bad thing to bridge the gap between underground and mainstream




I'm not making it sound like anything. Hammer was in it for the art too. So were the fucking Beastie Boys when they recorded Fight For Your Right to Party. And there is nothing wrong with walking the mainstream line. I never said there was. Infinite did. I'm just showing that Dre made a lot of changes in his style to sell himself to the mass market. Guru on the other hand probably acts almost exactly the same on record as he does in real life. That is not why I think Guru is better, or why I think Just to get a Rep is better than Lil Ghetto Boy. What's "realer" is not the issue for me.
ok my bad then, i just had that impression.