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Title: Crooked I – Pig Face, Weapon Waist artwork and tracklisting
Post by: RingMan on September 28, 2009, 11:46:48 AM
http://www.dubcnn.com/media/audio/crookedi-guesswhosback/

that looks strange, but cool


Crooked I Artwork, Tracklist & Snoop Collabo (Audio) - By : LilJay - October 6, 2009

We have the artwork, tracklist as well as the first leak off Crooked I's upcoming EP "Mr. Pig Face Weapon Waist". As Crooked I revealed in the Dubcnn interview back in August, he recently squashed the turbulences – as Crooked calls it – he had with Snoop Dogg over all these years and they even joined forces for the EP's first single. The Scram Jones produced track is called "Guess Who's Back" and aimed at the clubs. But going in with high expectations for a monster collaboration will leave you disappointed, as you will "only" hear verses from Crooked, while The Doggfather spits his bars on the hook.

Crooked I - Guess Who's Back Feat. Snoop Dogg (Prod. by Scram Jones)

Here is the complete tracklist for "Mr. Pig Face Weapon Waist". Click the artwork to enlarge.

1. Intro produced by Cosmos
2. Mr. Pigface (Produced by 21)
3. Shoulda Made a Phone Call Feat. K-Young (Produced by Frequecy)
4. One More Time (Produced by P.Silva)
5. Guess Who's Back Feat. Snoop Dogg (produced by Scram Jones)
6. Cypher Feat. Horse Shoe G.A.N.G and Royce Da 5'9" (Produced by Komplex)
7. Woodstock Feat. Slaughterhouse & M.O.P (Produced by Nottz)

(http://www.dubcnm.com/cdcovers/crooked-i_pigface_cover_lrg.jpg)
Title: Re: Crooked I – Pig Face, Weapon Waist artwork
Post by: Portugoal on September 28, 2009, 11:48:57 AM
haha, i like it!

i loved the original SH artwork too!
Title: Re: Crooked I – Pig Face, Weapon Waist artwork
Post by: Blasphemy on September 28, 2009, 11:50:12 AM
http://sixwonined.blogspot.com/2009/09/crooked-i-mr-pig-face-weapon-waist.html

that looks strange, but cool

Reminds me of the fucking SAW Franchise. They use the PIG as a huge element in them.
Title: Re: Crooked I – Pig Face, Weapon Waist artwork
Post by: Rickdeeznutz on September 28, 2009, 11:59:14 AM
haha, i like it!

i loved the original SH artwork too!

I didnt see a picture of the orginal artwork to the Slaughter House album, You mind posting it up or got a link to it? I would like to check that out.


Edit: The cover for P.F.W.W looks dope! I hope they have hard copies for sale, and that shit needs to drop ASAP!!


Edit 2:  The Big MAU ur sig is fucking discusting, I had to do a double take, to actully take in what the fuck it was. I dont know why you would want a picture of a small little cock as your sig, to each is own i geuss.
Title: Re: Crooked I – Pig Face, Weapon Waist artwork
Post by: EFFeX on September 28, 2009, 12:53:10 PM
Fan made from the homie Alphabet.
Title: Re: Crooked I – Pig Face, Weapon Waist artwork
Post by: EFFeX on September 28, 2009, 12:56:50 PM
Yeah, the story was that everyone was making fan covers for Joe Budden's "Escape Route", so I ended up making a few different "Weapon Waist" fan covers.

This was one of them...

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/7773/pigfaceweaponwaist2efx.jpg

Then Alphabet made the one that is posted above.
Title: Re: Crooked I – Pig Face, Weapon Waist artwork
Post by: JohnnyL on September 28, 2009, 02:00:27 PM
Those are all pretty damn cool.  I really like the first two.  But damn it, why can't we get some official news/artwork/mp3s from this release?  It's taking forever.
Title: Re: Crooked I – Pig Face, Weapon Waist artwork
Post by: EFFeX on September 28, 2009, 04:14:17 PM
Those are all pretty damn cool.  I really like the first two.  But damn it, why can't we get some official news/artwork/mp3s from this release?  It's taking forever.

News should be on it's way... yeah, I say that all the time.

Apparently last week the project was being mastered. Crooked also spit a song from the EP at Slaughterhouse's latest show in Atlanta over the weekend.
Title: Re: Crooked I – Pig Face, Weapon Waist artwork
Post by: Chamillitary Click on September 28, 2009, 04:18:18 PM
fuck the cover (which is dope :P), where is the fucking music?

Crooked I is the only artist in rap (besides Joe Budden) to have mixtapes/street albums pushed back MONTHS lol.

shit was suppose to drop before the Slaughterhouse album lmfao, what is the date now?
Title: Re: Crooked I – Pig Face, Weapon Waist artwork
Post by: EFFeX on September 28, 2009, 04:23:51 PM
fuck the cover (which is dope :P), where is the fucking music?

Crooked I is the only artist in rap (besides Joe Budden) to have mixtapes/street albums pushed back MONTHS lol.

shit was suppose to drop before the Slaughterhouse album lmfao, what is the date now?

10/??/09
Title: Re: Crooked I – Pig Face, Weapon Waist artwork
Post by: JohnnyL on September 28, 2009, 05:22:52 PM
Those are all pretty damn cool.  I really like the first two.  But damn it, why can't we get some official news/artwork/mp3s from this release?  It's taking forever.

News should be on it's way... yeah, I say that all the time.

Apparently last week the project was being mastered. Crooked also spit a song from the EP at Slaughterhouse's latest show in Atlanta over the weekend.

Thanks for the update, Effex.  If the project is now being mastered, maybe that means we'll see it released in the near future.  Curious though, that it was thought to have been all printed up and ready to go way back in July (if I remember correctly).  If its being mastered now, could that possibly mean more material has been added to it?  With all the delays, I really feel it'd be in Crooked's best interests  to drop the single for this soon.
Title: Re: Crooked I – Pig Face, Weapon Waist artwork
Post by: Rickdeeznutz on September 28, 2009, 05:31:02 PM
Will there be hard copies for sale like Block Obama 2???  Any info on that? Or will it just be a digital release??

And Where the fuck is boss?? He says hes droping it for free to work on new album, then he says he will drop a song from BOSS evry week, Somtimes I worry if Crook can do anything he says he'll do
Title: Re: Crooked I – Pig Face, Weapon Waist artwork
Post by: dubsmith_nz on September 28, 2009, 06:01:09 PM
Haha damn that's an ill cover yo
Title: Re: Crooked I – Pig Face, Weapon Waist artwork
Post by: EFFeX on September 28, 2009, 06:24:50 PM
Those are all pretty damn cool.  I really like the first two.  But damn it, why can't we get some official news/artwork/mp3s from this release?  It's taking forever.

News should be on it's way... yeah, I say that all the time.

Apparently last week the project was being mastered. Crooked also spit a song from the EP at Slaughterhouse's latest show in Atlanta over the weekend.

Thanks for the update, Effex.  If the project is now being mastered, maybe that means we'll see it released in the near future.  Curious though, that it was thought to have been all printed up and ready to go way back in July (if I remember correctly).  If its being mastered now, could that possibly mean more material has been added to it?  With all the delays, I really feel it'd be in Crooked's best interests  to drop the single for this soon.

I can't remember who posted it, but last weekend someone posted that they were in the studio finishing up the EP with Crooked. Might have been the engineer, can't remember. It looks like they kept working on it all this time.
Title: Re: Crooked I – Pig Face, Weapon Waist artwork
Post by: EFFeX on September 28, 2009, 06:26:22 PM
Will there be hard copies for sale like Block Obama 2???  Any info on that? Or will it just be a digital release??

And Where the fuck is boss?? He says hes droping it for free to work on new album, then he says he will drop a song from BOSS evry week, Somtimes I worry if Crook can do anything he says he'll do

No information has been announced on the format of the project.

As far as Boss goes, I don't think anyone really knows the situation on that anymore. I'm pretty sure that the dropping one a week idea has been scratched. Last I heard, Crooked said he has "something" planned for the first quarter of 2010.
Title: Re: Crooked I – Pig Face, Weapon Waist artwork
Post by: Episcop Cruel Cvrle on September 29, 2009, 06:36:14 AM
Release the mother*peep* thing already !!!!


Title: Re: Crooked I – Pig Face, Weapon Waist artwork
Post by: love33 on September 29, 2009, 10:07:23 AM
That's the lamest album title he could possibly come up with.  Don't even bother putting any club jams, autotune, or R&B hooks on there -- I'm sure a lot of women are going to want to cop some album called "Pig Face".  LOL.  Focus on the record sales and come correct Crook.  Now "Say Hi To Tha Bad Guy" was a good title.
Title: Re: Crooked I – Pig Face, Weapon Waist artwork
Post by: EFFeX on September 29, 2009, 11:05:39 AM
That's the lamest album title he could possibly come up with.  Don't even bother putting any club jams, autotune, or R&B hooks on there -- I'm sure a lot of women are going to want to cop some album called "Pig Face".  LOL.  Focus on the record sales and come correct Crook.  Now "Say Hi To Tha Bad Guy" was a good title.

I believe Crooked specifically stated that this project is going to be directed at the streets, I don't think the material on it is going to be soft by any means.
Title: Re: Crooked I – Pig Face, Weapon Waist artwork
Post by: gio™fugahoo on September 29, 2009, 12:09:42 PM
i hope snoop is still on the mixtape
cause next crooked say he wanna keep the song for an album
and the we have to wait again......years
Title: Re: Crooked I – Pig Face, Weapon Waist artwork
Post by: EFFeX on September 29, 2009, 03:57:17 PM
i hope snoop is still on the mixtape
cause next crooked say he wanna keep the song for an album
and the we have to wait again......years

Well, it's an EP, not a mixtape, so you can expect this to be a item that you have to purchase. Whether it's a hard copy or digital purchase is yet to be announced.

"Guess Who's Back" is definitely on the project though.
Title: Re: Crooked I – Pig Face, Weapon Waist artwork
Post by: Jaydc555 on September 29, 2009, 11:01:15 PM
he should make it an lp for delaying it so damn much.
Title: Re: Crooked I – Pig Face, Weapon Waist artwork
Post by: Jimmy H. on September 30, 2009, 12:30:33 AM
That's the lamest album title he could possibly come up with.  Don't even bother putting any club jams, autotune, or R&B hooks on there -- I'm sure a lot of women are going to want to cop some album called "Pig Face".  LOL.  Focus on the record sales and come correct Crook.  Now "Say Hi To Tha Bad Guy" was a good title.
Oh no! No club songs or R&B joints. How is he ever gonna sell ring tones now? There's plenty of music for women that you can listen to while you're drinking your Tab and getting your tips frosted, pal. Some of us actually want good music. If you wanna talk about marketing potential, start a forum for pretend Interent A&R's or something. I would rather have Crooked put out some good shit than have him make an album with the same weak commercial attempts like these other cats.
Title: Re: Crooked I – Pig Face, Weapon Waist artwork
Post by: dubsmith_nz on September 30, 2009, 01:02:45 AM
That's the lamest album title he could possibly come up with.  Don't even bother putting any club jams, autotune, or R&B hooks on there -- I'm sure a lot of women are going to want to cop some album called "Pig Face".  LOL.  Focus on the record sales and come correct Crook.  Now "Say Hi To Tha Bad Guy" was a good title.
Oh no! No club songs or R&B joints. How is he ever gonna sell ring tones now? There's plenty of music for women that you can listen to while you're drinking your Tab and getting your tips frosted, pal. Some of us actually want good music. If you wanna talk about marketing potential, start a forum for pretend Interent A&R's or something. I would rather have Crooked put out some good shit than have him make an album with the same weak commercial attempts like these other cats.

+1
Title: Re: Crooked I – Pig Face, Weapon Waist artwork
Post by: JohnnyL on September 30, 2009, 04:59:03 AM
That's the lamest album title he could possibly come up with.  Don't even bother putting any club jams, autotune, or R&B hooks on there -- I'm sure a lot of women are going to want to cop some album called "Pig Face".  LOL.  Focus on the record sales and come correct Crook.  Now "Say Hi To Tha Bad Guy" was a good title.
Oh no! No club songs or R&B joints. How is he ever gonna sell ring tones now? There's plenty of music for women that you can listen to while you're drinking your Tab and getting your tips frosted, pal. Some of us actually want good music. If you wanna talk about marketing potential, start a forum for pretend Interent A&R's or something. I would rather have Crooked put out some good shit than have him make an album with the same weak commercial attempts like these other cats.

LMAO
Title: Re: Crooked I – Pig Face, Weapon Waist artwork
Post by: EFFeX on September 30, 2009, 08:51:12 AM
Man...

I was looking forward to:

DJ Khaled Presents... Weapon Waist Is The Best

Featuring Drake, Lil Wayne, Rick Ross, T-Pain, Ace Hood & Triple C's
Title: Re: Crooked I – Pig Face, Weapon Waist artwork
Post by: JohnnyL on September 30, 2009, 09:37:56 AM
Man...

I was looking forward to:

DJ Khaled Presents... Weapon Waist Is The Best

Featuring Drake, Lil Wayne, Rick Ross, T-Pain, Ace Hood & Triple C's

lol....at this point I'd take it over nothing.   ;D
Title: Re: Crooked I – Pig Face, Weapon Waist artwork
Post by: love33 on September 30, 2009, 11:12:19 AM
Man...

I was looking forward to:

DJ Khaled Presents... Weapon Waist Is The Best

Featuring Drake, Lil Wayne, Rick Ross, T-Pain, Ace Hood & Triple C's

That would be way tighter than what it currently looks like just a bunch of battle tracks freestyling over a beat and a dictionary with no music quality (which is what Suge and others have criticized Crook for not branching out and being too much of a battle rapper).

The Florida Rap movement is way bigger than the current California scene.  It's no joke, just go to Florida and all the people are listening to "Lights Down Low" by 2 Pistolz, "Ride Out" by Tampa Tony, "Long Lap Dance Song" by T-Pain, anything T-Pain or Ross, Slow "Way Too Many Hoes," Rick Ross "Magnificent" and "I Really Want"....Jacksonville has a bunch of artists emerging out of Duval County.  You can laugh but the Florida sound is a lot more dominant now then our classic 90's west coast tracks on the radio waves and in the clubs.

Crook had tracks like "Who Wants To Fuck Tonite" and  "We Ballin" planned for his first Say Hi To Tha Bad Guy release, and Ray J was gonna be on it too.  These are the tracks that people want to hear in the clubs.  He branched out and worked with Ashanti before.  Now he's on this 1992 hardcore tip -- he ain't gonna sell any records doing that and that's why Suge had him collabing with the right people before like Juvenile, Jadakiss, Too Short, Ja Rule, etc.  He should get with the Ruff Ryders for a few tracks and then do a few club tracks if he wants to have a shot.
Title: Re: Crooked I – Pig Face, Weapon Waist artwork
Post by: D-Nice on September 30, 2009, 11:20:55 AM
Man...

I was looking forward to:

DJ Khaled Presents... Weapon Waist Is The Best

Featuring Drake, Lil Wayne, Rick Ross, T-Pain, Ace Hood & Triple C's

That would be way tighter than what it currently looks like just a bunch of battle tracks freestyling over a beat and a dictionary with no music quality (which is what Suge and others have criticized Crook for not branching out and being too much of a battle rapper).

The Florida Rap movement is way bigger than the current California scene.  It's no joke, just go to Florida and all the people are listening to "Lights Down Low" by 2 Pistolz, "Ride Out" by Tampa Tony, "Long Lap Dance Song" by T-Pain, anything T-Pain or Ross, Slow "Way Too Many Hoes," Rick Ross "Magnificent" and "I Really Want"....Jacksonville has a bunch of artists emerging out of Duval County.  You can laugh but the Florida sound is a lot more dominant now then our classic 90's west coast tracks on the radio waves and in the clubs.
Crook had tracks like "Who Wants To Fuck Tonite" and  "We Ballin" planned for his first Say Hi To Tha Bad Guy release, and Ray J was gonna be on it too.  These are the tracks that people want to hear in the clubs.  He branched out and worked with Ashanti before.  Now he's on this 1992 hardcore tip -- he ain't gonna sell any records doing that and that's why Suge had him collabing with the right people before like Juvenile, Jadakiss, Too Short, Ja Rule, etc.  He should get with the Ruff Ryders for a few tracks and then do a few club tracks if he wants to have a shot.

The Florida sound works, for Florida artists. All these cut and paste club tracks may work for some but not everyone. You said the same thing about Ice Cube when Raw Footage came out. Now the tracks Crook did on the Dysfunktional Family soundtrack were dope and he kept it gutter and west coast on there, but you say with every artist they HAVE to have a club track to succeed.
Title: Re: Crooked I – Pig Face, Weapon Waist artwork
Post by: Jimmy H. on September 30, 2009, 11:34:05 AM
He doesn't get that not everyone wants CLUB MUSIC! Like you said, Florida shit works for Florida artists. The game has been so boring because everyone is making these weak-ass attempts to sell records instead of putting out music that highlights their unique traits as an artist. I like Busta Rhymes because he's energy personified. When I buy one of his records, I want to hear that style, not how many T-Pain and Akon features he can get on there. Crooked doesn't need to make an album full of ass-shaking and stripper anthems. We've got that everywhere around. The market is oversaturated with it. If you're a fan of an artist, you want to hear that person and what they bring that's different. Not their half-assed attempt to make their version of a Lil Wayne album.
Title: Re: Crooked I – Pig Face, Weapon Waist artwork
Post by: D-Nice on September 30, 2009, 11:36:28 AM
He doesn't get that not everyone wants CLUB MUSIC! Like you said, Florida shit works for Florida artists. The game has been so boring because everyone is making these weak-ass attempts to sell records instead of putting out music that highlights their unique traits as an artist. I like Busta Rhymes because he's energy personified. When I buy one of his records, I want to hear that style, not how many T-Pain and Akon features he can get on there. Crooked doesn't need to make an album full of ass-shaking and stripper anthems. We've got that everywhere around. The market is oversaturated with it. If you're a fan of an artist, you want to hear that person and what they bring that's different. Not their half-assed attempt to make their version of a Lil Wayne album.

Apparently that is Love's full proof formula for record sales and keeping it real
Title: Re: Crooked I – Pig Face, Weapon Waist artwork
Post by: EFFeX on September 30, 2009, 12:01:02 PM
Crook had tracks like "Who Wants To Fuck Tonite" and  "We Ballin" planned for his first Say Hi To Tha Bad Guy release

Really?

and Ray J was gonna be on it too

Your joking!

He branched out and worked with Ashanti before.

I never heard that.

Suge had him collabing with the right people before like Juvenile, Jadakiss, Too Short, Ja Rule, etc.

You don't say!
Title: Re: Crooked I – Pig Face, Weapon Waist artwork
Post by: D-Nice on September 30, 2009, 01:17:25 PM
Crook had tracks like "Who Wants To Fuck Tonite" and  "We Ballin" planned for his first Say Hi To Tha Bad Guy release

Really?

and Ray J was gonna be on it too

Your joking!

He branched out and worked with Ashanti before.

I never heard that.

Suge had him collabing with the right people before like Juvenile, Jadakiss, Too Short, Ja Rule, etc.

You don't say!

Ashanti- Baby Remix featuring Crooked I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u20_lG9oEts

This was getting good burn on 106 when it came out.
Title: Re: Crooked I – Pig Face, Weapon Waist artwork
Post by: Jaydc555 on September 30, 2009, 07:21:45 PM
effex was being sarcastic
Title: Re: Crooked I – Pig Face, Weapon Waist artwork
Post by: EFFeX on September 30, 2009, 07:55:32 PM
effex was being sarcastic

True.

That whole post was uncalled for too, my bad about that love33.
Title: Re: Crooked I – Pig Face, Weapon Waist artwork
Post by: V2DHeart on October 01, 2009, 01:12:17 AM
i hope snoop is still on the mixtape
cause next crooked say he wanna keep the song for an album
and the we have to wait again......years

Well, it's an EP, not a mixtape, so you can expect this to be a item that you have to purchase. Whether it's a hard copy or digital purchase is yet to be announced.

"Guess Who's Back" is definitely on the project though.

I don't purchase digital copies of anything (apart from unreleased in groups) so if that does happen, that will be one less sale. I hope he puts this out as a hard copy. It's aimed at the streets, so it should be in CD form
Title: Re: Crooked I – Pig Face, Weapon Waist artwork
Post by: D-Nice on October 01, 2009, 09:04:31 AM
effex was being sarcastic

True.

That whole post was uncalled for too, my bad about that love33.

My bad lol
Title: Re: Crooked I – Pig Face, Weapon Waist artwork
Post by: love33 on October 01, 2009, 11:31:39 AM
He doesn't get that not everyone wants CLUB MUSIC! Like you said, Florida shit works for Florida artists. The game has been so boring because everyone is making these weak-ass attempts to sell records instead of putting out music that highlights their unique traits as an artist. I like Busta Rhymes because he's energy personified. When I buy one of his records, I want to hear that style, not how many T-Pain and Akon features he can get on there. Crooked doesn't need to make an album full of ass-shaking and stripper anthems. We've got that everywhere around. The market is oversaturated with it. If you're a fan of an artist, you want to hear that person and what they bring that's different. Not their half-assed attempt to make their version of a Lil Wayne album.

True, but what is Crook really bringing to the table that's "different"?  He sounds like every other battle/dictionary rapper that we've heard before.  I have a whole pile of music, cds from the 90's that all got the same sound..why do we need to hear the 90's sound over and over again from crook?  I loved the 90's rap too, but what is so "different" about what he's doing?  His main problem is he outflows the beat and most of it is all opinions of how society has held him back.  I can summarize his newer music for you: political opinions, he hates autotune, dissing mainstream music, he grew up in the struggle, and he talks about how he's not on death row.  I've already got Ice Cube cds from the 90's if I want to hear that like "Predator," "Death Certificate," and "Amerikkkaz Most Wanted."  Crook needs to branch out because, as you mentioned, what is he doing that we haven't heard before?
Title: Re: Crooked I – Pig Face, Weapon Waist artwork
Post by: EFFeX on October 01, 2009, 11:46:48 AM
He doesn't get that not everyone wants CLUB MUSIC! Like you said, Florida shit works for Florida artists. The game has been so boring because everyone is making these weak-ass attempts to sell records instead of putting out music that highlights their unique traits as an artist. I like Busta Rhymes because he's energy personified. When I buy one of his records, I want to hear that style, not how many T-Pain and Akon features he can get on there. Crooked doesn't need to make an album full of ass-shaking and stripper anthems. We've got that everywhere around. The market is oversaturated with it. If you're a fan of an artist, you want to hear that person and what they bring that's different. Not their half-assed attempt to make their version of a Lil Wayne album.

True, but what is Crook really bringing to the table that's "different"?  He sounds like every other battle/dictionary rapper that we've heard before.  I have a whole pile of music, cds from the 90's that all got the same sound..why do we need to hear the 90's sound over and over again from crook?  I loved the 90's rap too, but what is so "different" about what he's doing?  His main problem is he outflows the beat and most of it is all opinions of how society has held him back.  I can summarize his newer music for you: political opinions, he hates autotune, dissing mainstream music, he grew up in the struggle, and he talks about how he's not on death row.  I've already got Ice Cube cds from the 90's if I want to hear that like "Predator," "Death Certificate," and "Amerikkkaz Most Wanted."  Crook needs to branch out because, as you mentioned, what is he doing that we haven't heard before?

Dumbing down and settling for average with the rest of today's sub-par emcees is going to take away the main fan base that Crooked I has at this point in time. If he were to change up his style to the 106 & Park friendly emcee, what would make him worth listening to? He would be the same as every other artist in the game right now. It's his topics, his flow and his passion that earned Crooked I the respect that he's gotten over the last 10 years.
Title: Re: Crooked I – Pig Face, Weapon Waist artwork
Post by: Jimmy H. on October 01, 2009, 12:13:15 PM
True, but what is Crook really bringing to the table that's "different"?  He sounds like every other battle/dictionary rapper that we've heard before.  I have a whole pile of music, cds from the 90's that all got the same sound..why do we need to hear the 90's sound over and over again from crook?  I loved the 90's rap too, but what is so "different" about what he's doing?  His main problem is he outflows the beat and most of it is all opinions of how society has held him back.  I can summarize his newer music for you: political opinions, he hates autotune, dissing mainstream music, he grew up in the struggle, and he talks about how he's not on death row.  I've already got Ice Cube cds from the 90's if I want to hear that like "Predator," "Death Certificate," and "Amerikkkaz Most Wanted."  Crook needs to branch out because, as you mentioned, what is he doing that we haven't heard before?
Then maybe Crook isn't the emcee for you. Not everyone is gonna be a fan of everybody. Your ideas mostly seem to center around the sound and commercialization of his music which really won't change the end result that much. If you put Crook on a club track, it's not gonna automatically make him into a different rapper.

Thing is you seem to think because you live in Florida and you know what's hot out there that that is going to translate into a winning formula for artists outside of that region. Rick Ross can make music that appeals to that market because that's his bread and butter. Fat Joe's from New York but he's pretty heavily-involved in the Miami scene so he can do that too. For a rapper that is not immersed in that marketplace, it doesn't make a lot of sense to cater to it. Crook's from Los Angeles. Outside of his California following, I'd say he's more popular in the Mid-West and East Coast. Him creating a whole album around the Miami club enviorment might help him sell a few records down there but it would also be likely to turn away his target audience. Florida is only small part of the national market and even smaller part in terms of worldwide appeal so to suggest that a rapper who is from Los Angeles try to adapt his style to what works out there is like asking the New York Yankees to cater their merchandising to what's hot in Detriot.
Title: Re: Crooked I – Pig Face, Weapon Waist artwork
Post by: love33 on October 02, 2009, 06:34:57 PM
True, but what is Crook really bringing to the table that's "different"?  He sounds like every other battle/dictionary rapper that we've heard before.  I have a whole pile of music, cds from the 90's that all got the same sound..why do we need to hear the 90's sound over and over again from crook?  I loved the 90's rap too, but what is so "different" about what he's doing?  His main problem is he outflows the beat and most of it is all opinions of how society has held him back.  I can summarize his newer music for you: political opinions, he hates autotune, dissing mainstream music, he grew up in the struggle, and he talks about how he's not on death row.  I've already got Ice Cube cds from the 90's if I want to hear that like "Predator," "Death Certificate," and "Amerikkkaz Most Wanted."  Crook needs to branch out because, as you mentioned, what is he doing that we haven't heard before?
Then maybe Crook isn't the emcee for you. Not everyone is gonna be a fan of everybody. Your ideas mostly seem to center around the sound and commercialization of his music which really won't change the end result that much. If you put Crook on a club track, it's not gonna automatically make him into a different rapper.

Thing is you seem to think because you live in Florida and you know what's hot out there that that is going to translate into a winning formula for artists outside of that region. Rick Ross can make music that appeals to that market because that's his bread and butter. Fat Joe's from New York but he's pretty heavily-involved in the Miami scene so he can do that too. For a rapper that is not immersed in that marketplace, it doesn't make a lot of sense to cater to it. Crook's from Los Angeles. Outside of his California following, I'd say he's more popular in the Mid-West and East Coast. Him creating a whole album around the Miami club enviorment might help him sell a few records down there but it would also be likely to turn away his target audience. Florida is only small part of the national market and even smaller part in terms of worldwide appeal so to suggest that a rapper who is from Los Angeles try to adapt his style to what works out there is like asking the New York Yankees to cater their merchandising to what's hot in Detriot.

Good point but when Crook was making that club music back in the Suge days, he was buying into it and so was the buzz "So Damn Hood" ft. Juvenile, "Baby Remix" ft. Ashanti, and some of the other tracks planned for the album "We Ballin" ft. Eastwood, "Death Row House Party," "Suge's West Coast," and "Who Wants To Fuck Tonite" ft. Ja Rule and Ray J...he was heading down that path, and now he decides to go a different route and he's "so so real" and "not dumbing down" and all this other BS was a complete 180 from the direction he was taking.  Just because he don't want to take that route anymore doesn't mean he needs to try to make a living off dissing people who do (i.e. his autotune diss track, "Still An Emcee,", etc.).  To the cats who are gettin their money -- that's their game!  Why hate on another man's hustle because you ain't got it?  You make some good regional points but California is the #1 state in population, and Florida is 4th, so he should be doing big numbers.  Also, Lil Wayne and Fat Joe broke into that scene -- why doesn't Crook do the same? Lil wayne lives in Miami and Fat Joe does too part of the year.  Rap has become more regional and yeah West Coast rap gets more play in the midwest, east, and west than in the South, but that doesn't mean you can't branch out and crack the market.  He seems to be going backwards into a 1997 sound.
Title: Re: Crooked I  Pig Face, Weapon Waist artwork
Post by: RhyanG on October 02, 2009, 07:03:18 PM
crooked i is the only 1 in slaughterhouse without a website. Ok it says www.circleofbosses.com in the cd sleeve but the site doesnt exist.

his myspace never updates to, and www.westcoastdynasty.com hasnt worked for weeks

I guess we have to check dubcnn 4 news on the ep
Title: Re: Crooked I  Pig Face, Weapon Waist artwork
Post by: EFFeX on October 02, 2009, 08:44:11 PM
crooked i is the only 1 in slaughterhouse without a website. Ok it says www.circleofbosses.com in the cd sleeve but the site doesnt exist.

his myspace never updates to, and www.westcoastdynasty.com hasnt worked for weeks

I guess we have to check dubcnn 4 news on the ep

Just visit www.thebossboard.com

It's supported by Crooked and Treacherous Records
Title: Re: Crooked I – Pig Face, Weapon Waist artwork
Post by: D-Nice on October 02, 2009, 08:50:41 PM
True, but what is Crook really bringing to the table that's "different"?  He sounds like every other battle/dictionary rapper that we've heard before.  I have a whole pile of music, cds from the 90's that all got the same sound..why do we need to hear the 90's sound over and over again from crook?  I loved the 90's rap too, but what is so "different" about what he's doing?  His main problem is he outflows the beat and most of it is all opinions of how society has held him back.  I can summarize his newer music for you: political opinions, he hates autotune, dissing mainstream music, he grew up in the struggle, and he talks about how he's not on death row.  I've already got Ice Cube cds from the 90's if I want to hear that like "Predator," "Death Certificate," and "Amerikkkaz Most Wanted."  Crook needs to branch out because, as you mentioned, what is he doing that we haven't heard before?
Then maybe Crook isn't the emcee for you. Not everyone is gonna be a fan of everybody. Your ideas mostly seem to center around the sound and commercialization of his music which really won't change the end result that much. If you put Crook on a club track, it's not gonna automatically make him into a different rapper.

Thing is you seem to think because you live in Florida and you know what's hot out there that that is going to translate into a winning formula for artists outside of that region. Rick Ross can make music that appeals to that market because that's his bread and butter. Fat Joe's from New York but he's pretty heavily-involved in the Miami scene so he can do that too. For a rapper that is not immersed in that marketplace, it doesn't make a lot of sense to cater to it. Crook's from Los Angeles. Outside of his California following, I'd say he's more popular in the Mid-West and East Coast. Him creating a whole album around the Miami club enviorment might help him sell a few records down there but it would also be likely to turn away his target audience. Florida is only small part of the national market and even smaller part in terms of worldwide appeal so to suggest that a rapper who is from Los Angeles try to adapt his style to what works out there is like asking the New York Yankees to cater their merchandising to what's hot in Detriot.

Good point but when Crook was making that club music back in the Suge days, he was buying into it and so was the buzz "So Damn Hood" ft. Juvenile, "Baby Remix" ft. Ashanti, and some of the other tracks planned for the album "We Ballin" ft. Eastwood, "Death Row House Party," "Suge's West Coast," and "Who Wants To Fuck Tonite" ft. Ja Rule and Ray J...he was heading down that path, and now he decides to go a different route and he's "so so real" and "not dumbing down" and all this other BS was a complete 180 from the direction he was taking.  Just because he don't want to take that route anymore doesn't mean he needs to try to make a living off dissing people who do (i.e. his autotune diss track, "Still An Emcee,", etc.).  To the cats who are gettin their money -- that's their game!  Why hate on another man's hustle because you ain't got it?  You make some good regional points but California is the #1 state in population, and Florida is 4th, so he should be doing big numbers.  Also, Lil Wayne and Fat Joe broke into that scene -- why doesn't Crook do the same? Lil wayne lives in Miami and Fat Joe does too part of the year.  Rap has become more regional and yeah West Coast rap gets more play in the midwest, east, and west than in the South, but that doesn't mean you can't branch out and crack the market.  He seems to be going backwards into a 1997 sound.

Fat Joe is a perfect example. Since "moving" to Miami and adapting that sound, other than 1 big hit record, how many albums more is he selling using that sound then when he was with Atlantic and the music he did with Pun and TS?
Title: Re: Crooked I – Pig Face, Weapon Waist artwork
Post by: Jimmy H. on October 02, 2009, 10:34:03 PM
Yeah, Fat Joe has a big Miami following but from my understanding, he ain't pushing huge units from a national standpoint. And I'm not saying Crooked couldn't go after the Florida market but to directly cater to that degree at the expense of other markets seems counterproductive since he ain't out there like that. I mean, to make it work, he has to be visible out there. If it comes to Crooked or say Ross or Fat Joe, they're gonna get behind the artists that are making moves out there.
Title: Re: Crooked I – Pig Face, Weapon Waist artwork
Post by: EFFeX on October 02, 2009, 10:40:56 PM
Let's just keep it real, if Crooked I suddenly switches up to that "Miami" sound, he's going to instantly lose his main fan base. Those are the people who kept him relevant the last 10 or so years. The industry will recognize this as selling out and it will not work to his advantage.

The risk is in no way worth it.
Title: Re: Crooked I – Pig Face, Weapon Waist artwork
Post by: Jimmy H. on October 02, 2009, 10:50:47 PM
Let's just keep it real, if Crooked I suddenly switches up to that "Miami" sound, he's going to instantly lose his main fan base. Those are the people who kept him relevant the last 10 or so years. The industry will recognize this as selling out and it will not work to his advantage.

The risk is in no way worth it.
That's what I was trying to get at in so many ways. The dude is from Florida so he assumes because people over there are getting played doing that that anyone can just adopt that style and it's gonna be money. But the artists that are getting that love are people who are established out there. But this is also the same guy who thinks Cube needs to do albums full of straight R&B features. Honestly, the dude confuses me because he seems like he'd rather see an artist be a household name and drop wack-ass music that sounds like everybody else than just let them do what they do and let the cards fall where they may.
Title: Re: Crooked I – Pig Face, Weapon Waist artwork
Post by: love33 on October 03, 2009, 02:39:20 PM
Let's just keep it real, if Crooked I suddenly switches up to that "Miami" sound, he's going to instantly lose his main fan base. Those are the people who kept him relevant the last 10 or so years. The industry will recognize this as selling out and it will not work to his advantage.

The risk is in no way worth it.

He's not making any money with that fanbase anyway so what's the difference? If he moved to Miami, he would have Cool & Dre, and Scott Storch in his backyard, and be able to hookup with Mannie Fresh too (imagine, Crook over a Mannie beat -- now that's heat!).  Plus, the networking capabilities are endless in Miami...all the big platinum ballers party in Miami -- he could link up with Diddy and make some good connections through him.  Where he's at right now, there's no producers, there's no solid connections, and for some reason he doesn't record with The Game or Snoop.  So what is he really even doing there? He could easily become a house name if he moved to the 305.
Title: Re: Crooked I – Pig Face, Weapon Waist artwork
Post by: J.E. on October 03, 2009, 02:41:46 PM
Let's just keep it real, if Crooked I suddenly switches up to that "Miami" sound, he's going to instantly lose his main fan base. Those are the people who kept him relevant the last 10 or so years. The industry will recognize this as selling out and it will not work to his advantage.

The risk is in no way worth it.

He's not making any money with that fanbase anyway so what's the difference? If he moved to Miami, he would have Cool & Dre, and Scott Storch in his backyard, and be able to hookup with Mannie Fresh too (imagine, Crook over a Mannie beat -- now that's heat!).  Plus, the networking capabilities are endless in Miami...all the big platinum ballers party in Miami -- he could link up with Diddy and make some good connections through him.  Where he's at right now, there's no producers, there's no solid connections, and for some reason he doesn't record with The Game or Snoop.  So what is he really even doing there? He could easily become a house name if he moved to the 305.


Maaaan, you type so much shit that my eyes hurt.
Title: Re: Crooked I – Pig Face, Weapon Waist artwork
Post by: EFFeX on October 03, 2009, 03:08:04 PM
Let's just keep it real, if Crooked I suddenly switches up to that "Miami" sound, he's going to instantly lose his main fan base. Those are the people who kept him relevant the last 10 or so years. The industry will recognize this as selling out and it will not work to his advantage.

The risk is in no way worth it.

He's not making any money with that fanbase anyway so what's the difference? If he moved to Miami, he would have Cool & Dre, and Scott Storch in his backyard, and be able to hookup with Mannie Fresh too (imagine, Crook over a Mannie beat -- now that's heat!).  Plus, the networking capabilities are endless in Miami...all the big platinum ballers party in Miami -- he could link up with Diddy and make some good connections through him.  Where he's at right now, there's no producers, there's no solid connections, and for some reason he doesn't record with The Game or Snoop.  So what is he really even doing there? He could easily become a house name if he moved to the 305.

You DO realize that Snoop is on Weapon Waist right?
Title: Re: Crooked I – Pig Face, Weapon Waist artwork
Post by: Jimmy H. on October 03, 2009, 03:16:04 PM
He's not making any money with that fanbase anyway so what's the difference? If he moved to Miami, he would have Cool & Dre, and Scott Storch in his backyard, and be able to hookup with Mannie Fresh too (imagine, Crook over a Mannie beat -- now that's heat!).  Plus, the networking capabilities are endless in Miami...all the big platinum ballers party in Miami -- he could link up with Diddy and make some good connections through him.  Where he's at right now, there's no producers, there's no solid connections, and for some reason he doesn't record with The Game or Snoop.  So what is he really even doing there? He could easily become a house name if he moved to the 305.
How do you know he ain't making money? On the other hand, how do you know that just because he goes over there that all of them artists are just gonna accept that and give this guy the keys like he's that important to their movement? Crook has a good thing going with "Slaughterhouse". it makes no sense from my perspective for him to just suddenly switch up and hit up Florida like it's the only place that it can happen for him. I get that Miami seems like the "place to be" because it's your backyard but it's not gonna be that important to every artist out here. You don't think Cali has networking possibilties out there? Or New York? Or where ever? Just because an artist comes down to Miami doesn't mean that they automatically get a pass to go into the studio with Cool & Dre or Storch or whatever producers ride out there. If those producers are feeling you, it's gonna happen. You going out there ain't suddenly gonna make your music more appealing to them.
Title: Re: Crooked I – Pig Face, Weapon Waist artwork
Post by: EFFeX on October 03, 2009, 03:19:03 PM
He's not making any money with that fanbase anyway so what's the difference? If he moved to Miami, he would have Cool & Dre, and Scott Storch in his backyard, and be able to hookup with Mannie Fresh too (imagine, Crook over a Mannie beat -- now that's heat!).  Plus, the networking capabilities are endless in Miami...all the big platinum ballers party in Miami -- he could link up with Diddy and make some good connections through him.  Where he's at right now, there's no producers, there's no solid connections, and for some reason he doesn't record with The Game or Snoop.  So what is he really even doing there? He could easily become a house name if he moved to the 305.
How do you know he ain't making money? On the other hand, how do you know that just because he goes over there that all of them artists are just gonna accept that and give this guy the keys like he's that important to their movement? Crook has a good thing going with "Slaughterhouse". it makes no sense from my perspective for him to just suddenly switch up and hit up Florida like it's the only place that it can happen for him. I get that Miami seems like the "place to be" because it's your backyard but it's not gonna be that important to every artist out here. You don't think Cali has networking possibilties out there? Or New York? Or where ever? Just because an artist comes down to Miami doesn't mean that they automatically get a pass to go into the studio with Cool & Dre or Storch or whatever producers ride out there. If those producers are feeling you, it's gonna happen. You going out there ain't suddenly gonna make your music more appealing to them.

Crooked has a very good thing going with Slaughterhouse, think about the touring alone...

Paid Dues Tour, Rock The Bells Tour, 50 city tour with Tech N9ne, random club venues. These guys have been grinding hard and people are taking notice. This is a good thing and there's no need for him to switch up the formula now, people are listening... finally.
Title: Re: Crooked I – Pig Face, Weapon Waist artwork
Post by: JohnnyL on October 05, 2009, 09:08:03 PM
Here's a little interview with Royce and Crooked I at the 50 Cent Concert.  I saw it on another forum, but I don't think it's been posted here yet.  They ask Crooked when he's gonna drop "Pig Face, Weapon Waste," and he kind of sidestepped the question.  He pretty much just says he's going to hold back and let Royce release "Street Hop" first.  So, still no date, but it looks like there's little to no chance of it dropping this month.  And the wait continues...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbrcBw8VeWc
Title: Re: Crooked I – Pig Face, Weapon Waist artwork
Post by: EFFeX on October 05, 2009, 09:44:49 PM
Here's a little interview with Royce and Crooked I at the 50 Cent Concert.  I saw it on another forum, but I don't think it's been posted here yet.  They ask Crooked when he's gonna drop "Pig Face, Weapon Waste," and he kind of sidestepped the question.  He pretty much just says he's going to hold back and let Royce release "Street Hop" first.  So, still no date, but it looks like there's little to no chance of it dropping this month.  And the wait continues...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbrcBw8VeWc

Yeah that was like a punch to the face, LOL
Title: Re: Crooked I – Pig Face, Weapon Waist artwork
Post by: JohnnyL on October 06, 2009, 05:42:49 AM
Here's a little interview with Royce and Crooked I at the 50 Cent Concert.  I saw it on another forum, but I don't think it's been posted here yet.  They ask Crooked when he's gonna drop "Pig Face, Weapon Waste," and he kind of sidestepped the question.  He pretty much just says he's going to hold back and let Royce release "Street Hop" first.  So, still no date, but it looks like there's little to no chance of it dropping this month.  And the wait continues...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbrcBw8VeWc

Yeah that was like a punch to the face, LOL

Lol.  I know, man.  It's crazy.  I wish he'd at least put out the single.  Give people something to keep them interested.
Title: Re: Crooked I – Pig Face, Weapon Waist artwork
Post by: pootypooty on October 06, 2009, 11:08:00 AM
Mickey from Treacherous dropped this over his twitter.

(http://i34.tinypic.com/28vpzqp.jpg)
Title: Re: Crooked I – Pig Face, Weapon Waist artwork
Post by: Lunatic on October 06, 2009, 11:12:11 AM
Mickey from Treacherous dropped this over his twitter.

(http://web6.twitpic.com/img/34434882-aeef20cd66de4cc9f8dfc346913e515e.4acb871f-scaled.jpg)
dope cover
Title: Re: Crooked I – Pig Face, Weapon Waist artwork
Post by: pootypooty on October 06, 2009, 11:42:41 AM
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/ka6d

Notice he didn't include the Raekwon track that was originally supposed to be on the album? Hmmm....

Also he didn't include the other Slaughter House track called "Monumental". WTF?

Quote
Here's the track listing to Crooked I's Mr. Pigface Weapon Waist EP

1. Intro produced by Cosmos
2. Mr. Pigface produced by 21
3. Shoulda Made a Phone Call Feat. K-Young produced by Frequecy
4. One More Time produced by P.Silva
5. Guess Who's Back Feat. Snoop Dogg produced by Scram Jones
6. Cypher Feat. Horse Shoe G.A.N.G and Royce Da 5'9" produced by Komplex
7. Woodstock Feat. Slaughterhouse & M.O.P produced by Nottz
Title: Re: Crooked I – Pig Face, Weapon Waist artwork
Post by: EFFeX on October 06, 2009, 12:00:33 PM
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/ka6d

Notice he didn't include the Raekwon track that was originally supposed to be on the album? Hmmm....


I guess he felt it was best not to include the Raekwon song... ?

Which by the way apparently featured Edi and ConiYac
Title: Re: Crooked I – Pig Face, Weapon Waist artwork
Post by: JohnnyL on October 06, 2009, 01:42:20 PM
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/ka6d

Notice he didn't include the Raekwon track that was originally supposed to be on the album? Hmmm....


I guess he felt it was best not to include the Raekwon song... ?

Which by the way apparently featured Edi and ConiYac

It's kind of disappointing that the "Monumental" track and the track with Raekwon were both left off.  I can understand him having to leave the Raekwon track off though.  As a fan of both artists, I imagine that track would've been one of the highlights of this e.p., but with everything that went down between Budden and Raekwon, I can understand his reasoning for not including it.  No idea why he wouldn't include the "Monumental" track with Slaughterhouse though.  At least it looks as though this e.p. may finally be getting close to being released though.
Title: Re: Crooked I – Pig Face, Weapon Waist artwork and tracklisting
Post by: pootypooty on October 06, 2009, 01:48:11 PM
If he's including Woodstock on the EP, does that mean the EP will be FREE since Woodstock originally couldn't be cleared for the Slaughter House album?
Title: Re: Crooked I – Pig Face, Weapon Waist artwork and tracklisting
Post by: Nima - Dubcnn.com on October 06, 2009, 02:23:09 PM
I hope ya'll get to hear the Raekwon/EDI collabo at some point, that joint was super hard...

Btw if Mr. Pigface is the track I think it is then I was in the studio when it was being recorded and it was fuckin amazin, Crooked laid the 3 verses off the top of the dome in like 45min. My bad if I'm mixin up the track with a different one but I think that's the one.
Title: Re: Crooked I – Pig Face, Weapon Waist artwork and tracklisting
Post by: kuruptDPG on October 06, 2009, 02:33:09 PM
I hope ya'll get to hear the Raekwon/EDI collabo at some point, that joint was super hard...

Btw if Mr. Pigface is the track I think it is then I was in the studio when it was being recorded and it was fuckin amazin, Crooked laid the 3 verses off the top of the dome in like 45min. My bad if I'm mixin up the track with a different one but I think that's the one.

its taking too long so i dont think we'll hear it but props for the info
Title: Re: Crooked I – Pig Face, Weapon Waist artwork and tracklisting
Post by: EFFeX on October 06, 2009, 03:06:55 PM
If he's including Woodstock on the EP, does that mean the EP will be FREE since Woodstock originally couldn't be cleared for the Slaughter House album?

Everything I've heard up until this point leads me to believe that it will not be a free download.
Title: Re: Crooked I – Pig Face, Weapon Waist artwork and tracklisting
Post by: Chamillitary Click on October 06, 2009, 04:04:54 PM
how in the world can a seven song EP get pushed back so many times?

went from a week before the Slaughterhouse album, to later in August, then September & hopefully soon now.

crazy shit, dude can't get anything out. :-X

i am anticiapating though. 8)
Title: Re: Crooked I – Pig Face, Weapon Waist artwork and tracklisting
Post by: JohnnyL on October 06, 2009, 06:17:43 PM
how in the world can a seven song EP get pushed back so many times?

went from a week before the Slaughterhouse album, to later in August, then September & hopefully soon now.

crazy shit, dude can't get anything out. :-X

i am anticiapating though. 8)

I totally agree.  It's ridiculous.  And after all the delays, the e.p. now has less songs on it than it originally did.   :-\  Oh well, still looking forward to hearing the music.
Title: Re: Crooked I – Pig Face, Weapon Waist artwork
Post by: love33 on October 06, 2009, 07:34:25 PM
He's not making any money with that fanbase anyway so what's the difference? If he moved to Miami, he would have Cool & Dre, and Scott Storch in his backyard, and be able to hookup with Mannie Fresh too (imagine, Crook over a Mannie beat -- now that's heat!).  Plus, the networking capabilities are endless in Miami...all the big platinum ballers party in Miami -- he could link up with Diddy and make some good connections through him.  Where he's at right now, there's no producers, there's no solid connections, and for some reason he doesn't record with The Game or Snoop.  So what is he really even doing there? He could easily become a house name if he moved to the 305.
How do you know he ain't making money? On the other hand, how do you know that just because he goes over there that all of them artists are just gonna accept that and give this guy the keys like he's that important to their movement? Crook has a good thing going with "Slaughterhouse". it makes no sense from my perspective for him to just suddenly switch up and hit up Florida like it's the only place that it can happen for him. I get that Miami seems like the "place to be" because it's your backyard but it's not gonna be that important to every artist out here. You don't think Cali has networking possibilties out there? Or New York? Or where ever? Just because an artist comes down to Miami doesn't mean that they automatically get a pass to go into the studio with Cool & Dre or Storch or whatever producers ride out there. If those producers are feeling you, it's gonna happen. You going out there ain't suddenly gonna make your music more appealing to them.


There's no networking possibilities in California for a young artist -- all the OG producers like Dre are greedy and want to charge a flat rate that's unaffordable for any newcomers... Felli Fel is a good look and QDIII, but if you weigh it out, for what West artists and producers try to charge and all the beef, it's not worth it when he could go network with the Miami scene.  West producers try to rip off the young artists and their producers are not even well known on a national level.  Fat Joe is down there now, Fabolous spends time there, Cool & Dre, The Dream, Diddy, Lil Wayne, Mannie, Scott Storch...these artists and producers are more about trading guest appearances and they are tight with each other rather than trying to charge $50k for a beat (i.e. Daz).  Plus, he would get networked in with T.I., Jeezy, Flo Rida, Ross, T-Pain, Akon, 2 Pistolz, Bow Wow, Gucci Mane, etc. just for hanging with this crowd.  This is the top crowd to roll with in rap, that's why cats like Snoop and The Game are networking with Diddy and The Dream because they know what's up.  The people that want to do the hits and make the real music without trying to rip someone off for a beat or gage a personal beef battle.  The rappers are about getting ahead and doing it big makin bigtime music.  These guys will accept him just like they accept everyone else because they are about makin the paper and not the drama.  Plus, there's no networking possibilities in California -- the radio stations don't even play their own artist's music and are playing more South music than they are their own West music.  The south don't roll like that and Crook would probably get more spins out West by going South since the West doesn't do any promotion for their own artists.  Plus his sales would increase and he would get more facetime.  It's a no brainer Crook, put on a pair of Versace shades and roll down to Miami with the big ballers.
Title: Re: Crooked I – Pig Face, Weapon Waist artwork and tracklisting
Post by: Jimmy H. on October 07, 2009, 01:45:14 AM
But it's all just wishful thinking on your part. Snoop and Game are already established multi-platinum artists and neither one of them broke through as part of the Miami movement. There is a difference between trying something different when you're a few albums deep and switching up your style randomly before you even drop your album to sell to some way left-field audience for a crapshoot shot at mainstream success. His fanbase would more than likely shit can it and it's doubtful Miami alone would break him. They haven't exactly done wonders for Fat Joe and his transition over there was smoother than Crook's would likely be. He's a California artist who is getting attention through a multi-regional group. People don't want to hear him do shitty imitations of Florida club rappers.

Crooked already seems to have his networking shit on lock. He's done songs with Akon already. He just did a song with Snoop. He's worked with Dre. He just worked 50's concert and his group is in talks with Eminem. Half the people you mentioned who he supposedly can only work with in Florida are people he could probably fuck with as is right now.
Title: Re: Crooked I – Pig Face, Weapon Waist artwork
Post by: Blasphemy on October 07, 2009, 06:35:04 AM
Mickey from Treacherous dropped this over his twitter.

(http://i34.tinypic.com/28vpzqp.jpg)

LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

Liked the original Posters version better. I mean seriously this has 2 be Runner up for Crappiest Artwork. It looks like something a Gotty Dollar Store bin rapper would have. Oh well, At least the nigga is Finally releasing something.

Anyone else also expect 2 see a HUGE miscalculation upon reading the art work? If you aren't familiar with Slaughter House or Crooked I you'll be reading the artwork like this

Artist: Mr. Pig Face
Album Title: Weapon Waist

The chain around him might be mistaken for "Crooked 1" lol
Title: Re: Crooked I – Pig Face, Weapon Waist artwork
Post by: JohnnyL on October 07, 2009, 08:11:44 AM
Mickey from Treacherous dropped this over his twitter.

(http://i34.tinypic.com/28vpzqp.jpg)

LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

Liked the original Posters version better. I mean seriously this has 2 be Runner up for Crappiest Artwork. It looks like something a Gotty Dollar Store bin rapper would have. Oh well, At least the nigga is Finally releasing something.

Anyone else also expect 2 see a HUGE miscalculation upon reading the art work? If you aren't familiar with Slaughter House or Crooked I you'll be reading the artwork like this

Artist: Mr. Pig Face
Album Title: Weapon Waist

The chain around him might be mistaken for "Crooked 1" lol


Really?  I think the artwork is the best thing about this release.  I agree with you though that without Crooked I's name being more prominently featured in the artwork it might be confusing to casual fans.  I really like the picture itself though.  On the other hand, I'm not too crazy about the track list.  I was really looking forward to a new Slaughterhouse track on here.  I did like the song with Snoop, but as it now stands, the track with the Horse Shoe Gang and Royce Da 5'9 is really the only other track I'm excited about. 
Title: Re: Crooked I – Pig Face, Weapon Waist artwork
Post by: Blasphemy on October 07, 2009, 08:30:38 AM
Mickey from Treacherous dropped this over his twitter.

(http://i34.tinypic.com/28vpzqp.jpg)

LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

Liked the original Posters version better. I mean seriously this has 2 be Runner up for Crappiest Artwork. It looks like something a Gotty Dollar Store bin rapper would have. Oh well, At least the nigga is Finally releasing something.

Anyone else also expect 2 see a HUGE miscalculation upon reading the art work? If you aren't familiar with Slaughter House or Crooked I you'll be reading the artwork like this

Artist: Mr. Pig Face
Album Title: Weapon Waist

The chain around him might be mistaken for "Crooked 1" lol


Really?  I think the artwork is the best thing about this release.  I agree with you though that without Crooked I's name being more prominently featured in the artwork it might be confusing to casual fans.  I really like the picture itself though.  On the other hand, I'm not too crazy about the track list.  I was really looking forward to a new Slaughterhouse track on here.  I did like the song with Snoop, but as it now stands, the track with the Horse Shoe Gang and Royce Da 5'9 is really the only other track I'm excited about. 

I'm excited 4 this EP to be released and I'm not expecting a Crooked I West Coast type of cover, because he said the EP is a Extension of his Slaughter House Persona (Even though I'm wonder, what persona? lol), but seriously Compared 2 the past artwork made by fans this is shit. The Fan artwork portrayed a dark anarchy gritty crazy vibe. This shit is gotty as fuck.

I mean really look at it, a Generic Pose (Virginia Tech anyone?) with him and 2 guns, Bullet Holes, a Bullet Proof Vest,  Lasers on him. It's just gotty as fuck.


I mean this just makes me wonder, What is Crooked I thinking while he is making this. He said the EP is a extension of his Slaughter House Persona, yet On the entire album he pretty much is himself and doesn't play into some Crazy Persona.

Anyways back on the artist confusion, its pretty fucked up cause You see Mr. Pig Face in a totally different color, so this could possibly be another Makaveli Type Controversy.


(If you don't know, The Makaveli Controversy is the album is called "7 Day Theory" while the Entire artist rendition is "Makaveli The Don".
Title: Re: Crooked I – Pig Face, Weapon Waist artwork
Post by: JohnnyL on October 07, 2009, 09:22:33 AM
Mickey from Treacherous dropped this over his twitter.

(http://i34.tinypic.com/28vpzqp.jpg)

LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

Liked the original Posters version better. I mean seriously this has 2 be Runner up for Crappiest Artwork. It looks like something a Gotty Dollar Store bin rapper would have. Oh well, At least the nigga is Finally releasing something.

Anyone else also expect 2 see a HUGE miscalculation upon reading the art work? If you aren't familiar with Slaughter House or Crooked I you'll be reading the artwork like this

Artist: Mr. Pig Face
Album Title: Weapon Waist

The chain around him might be mistaken for "Crooked 1" lol


Really?  I think the artwork is the best thing about this release.  I agree with you though that without Crooked I's name being more prominently featured in the artwork it might be confusing to casual fans.  I really like the picture itself though.  On the other hand, I'm not too crazy about the track list.  I was really looking forward to a new Slaughterhouse track on here.  I did like the song with Snoop, but as it now stands, the track with the Horse Shoe Gang and Royce Da 5'9 is really the only other track I'm excited about. 

I'm excited 4 this EP to be released and I'm not expecting a Crooked I West Coast type of cover, because he said the EP is a Extension of his Slaughter House Persona (Even though I'm wonder, what persona? lol), but seriously Compared 2 the past artwork made by fans this is shit. The Fan artwork portrayed a dark anarchy gritty crazy vibe. This shit is gotty as fuck.

I mean really look at it, a Generic Pose (Virginia Tech anyone?) with him and 2 guns, Bullet Holes, a Bullet Proof Vest,  Lasers on him. It's just gotty as fuck.


I mean this just makes me wonder, What is Crooked I thinking while he is making this. He said the EP is a extension of his Slaughter House Persona, yet On the entire album he pretty much is himself and doesn't play into some Crazy Persona.

Anyways back on the artist confusion, its pretty fucked up cause You see Mr. Pig Face in a totally different color, so this could possibly be another Makaveli Type Controversy.


(If you don't know, The Makaveli Controversy is the album is called "7 Day Theory" while the Entire artist rendition is "Makaveli The Don".

 Well, I'm always happy to hear some new Crooked I.  On that level I'm excited for this release.  I actually think I'll be more excited about the material after I hear it than before.  Crooked I is one of the few artists in my opinion that can deliver on that level.  Unfortunately, most of the time when I anticipate a release, I'm disappointed when I finally hear it.  Crooked I is one of the few exceptions.  But as far as tracks that I'm actually excited about right now, before hearing the material, the track with the Horse Shoe Gang and Royce is really the only one.  I was looking forward to hearing the Raekwon track and the new Slaughterhouse track that was cut.  But now that they're cut, the project just seems a little incomplete.  I wish he would have included a couple more tracks, even if they were just Crooked I solo tracks, to make the e.p. a little bit longer. 
  Regarding the artwork, I think I see your point.  If he really wanted to depict his Slaughterhouse persona, maybe he should have stuck with just a butchershop/pig motif rather than the guns/gangster motif that is also depicted in the artwork. (Whatever happened to the pictures taken from the Slaughterhouse album photo shoot?  It doesn't appear that they used hardly any of them, as the liner notes only included a few pictures.) I think though, as a stand alone picture, the album artwork looks cool.  Is it the most original thing I've ever seen?  No.  Minus the pigface, I've seen similar pictures/poses on other artists' mixtape covers.  And I do agree with you that often times, fan artwork ends up looking better than official cover.  In the case of Snoop's "Lost Sessions" album, I'll bet we end up seeing a lot of fan covers that look way better than the official image.
  As it stands now, I think this release will still deliver for fans who have been waiting for some new Crooked I solo material.  But after all the delays, it just seems a bit anticlimactic.  And when you think about it, there still is no release date set.  From the way Crooked I was talking at the 50 Cent Concert, he's not going to release this until after Royce drops "Street Hop."  So we still don't even know when this is going to come out.
Title: Re: Crooked I – Pig Face, Weapon Waist artwork and tracklisting
Post by: EFFeX on October 07, 2009, 10:19:43 AM
I don't know, I think that art work goes hard...  ???
Title: Re: Crooked I – Pig Face, Weapon Waist artwork and tracklisting
Post by: JohnnyL on October 07, 2009, 11:14:38 AM
I don't know, I think that art work goes hard...  ???

 Oh, I hear you man.  I still stand by my original statement that I think right now it's one of the coolest things about this release.  I can kind of see Blasphemy's point that it's not the most original picture I've ever seen for album artwork.  And by that I mean the guns, vest, and the laser sights are all element use see used a lot in these kind of undergound type releases.  You can see those kind of themes repeatedly in the G-Unit mixtapes, the Game's mixtapes, and countless others.  But as far as just being a cool looking picture, yeah, I think it delivers.  For one thing, whoever drew that has some skill.  Good use of foreshortening with the outstretched arms, holding the pistols.  That's a tough pose to draw accurately.  Also, I love the pig face on the mask.  It's a nice balance of cartoonish and sinister.  I love that they put the cigar in it's mouth.
Title: Re: Crooked I – Pig Face, Weapon Waist artwork and tracklisting
Post by: Dogg Ly Dogg on October 07, 2009, 12:00:13 PM
I like the first cover leaked better than this one
Title: Re: Crooked I – Pig Face, Weapon Waist artwork and tracklisting
Post by: Chamillitary Click on October 07, 2009, 12:47:47 PM
who gives a FUCK about album covers?

GIVE ME MUSIC! 8)
Title: Re: Crooked I – Pig Face, Weapon Waist artwork and tracklisting
Post by: JohnnyL on October 07, 2009, 01:33:05 PM
who gives a FUCK about album covers?

GIVE ME MUSIC! 8)

That's the bad thing.  Despite the release of the artwork and track list, there's still no release date. 
Title: Re: Crooked I – Pig Face, Weapon Waist artwork and tracklisting
Post by: Triple OG Rapsodie on October 07, 2009, 05:06:43 PM
dope cover....shitty song. I was hoping the Snoop collab would be better. Hopefully the rest of the ep is better.
Title: Re: Crooked I – Pig Face, Weapon Waist artwork and tracklisting
Post by: Leggy Hendrix on October 09, 2009, 03:33:34 PM
i think the cover is sick!!
Title: Re: Crooked I – Pig Face, Weapon Waist artwork and tracklisting
Post by: Raphael on October 09, 2009, 04:34:36 PM
i think the cover is sick!!
Title: Re: Crooked I – Pig Face, Weapon Waist artwork and tracklisting
Post by: EFFeX on October 09, 2009, 05:18:57 PM
For anyone that was looking for the clean edit of "Guess Who's Back"...

http://sharebee.com/0aaf1007
Title: Re: Crooked I – Pig Face, Weapon Waist artwork and tracklisting
Post by: you gon always be my latin queen bitch on October 09, 2009, 05:40:57 PM
lol at snoop callin crooked his nephew when a few months ago he was hatin on crooked
(then again snoop needs crooked right now...no homo)

but damn the song isnt INSANE its dope for what it is but I think ive heard that someone else use that sample before

but damn overall crooked isnt doin it wit jus releasin 7 traxx on a ep
1 of which is a intro
another of which is a old song and isnt a crooked song but a slaughterhouse song
at least he should have put a new slaughterhouse song on there
Title: Re: Crooked I – Pig Face, Weapon Waist artwork and tracklisting
Post by: GangstaBoogy on October 09, 2009, 11:02:54 PM
This nigga is so fuckin lame. We waited all this time for 7 songs? 1 of which we've already heard, and another being an intro. So basically we're looking at 5 new songs? Fuck outta here man.
Title: Re: Crooked I – Pig Face, Weapon Waist artwork and tracklisting
Post by: Jaydc on October 09, 2009, 11:11:26 PM
Ugh.Man this just pisses me off.When he delayed the album he said he would have a surprise to make up for it for the fans.So the surpise is he cuts the most anticipated song off the album and instead of a new slaughterhouse song we get one thats been out for months?PATHETIC.
Title: Re: Crooked I – Pig Face, Weapon Waist artwork and tracklisting
Post by: west koasting on October 09, 2009, 11:39:07 PM
this should come out by 2058 hopefully
Title: Re: Crooked I – Pig Face, Weapon Waist artwork and tracklisting
Post by: you gon always be my latin queen bitch on October 09, 2009, 11:43:26 PM
lol on snoops then label




this should come out by 2058 hopefully