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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: sweetdudejim on October 04, 2009, 04:18:32 PM
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So before Tupac died, he had quite a few things on his plate, I wanna see if I'm missing any:
- Makaveli album (RELEASED Nov. 96)
- One Nation (NEVER RELEASED)
- Album from '93 to '96 that ended up being R U Still Down (RELEASED)
- Was this for real? Was he honestly planning on releasing this material or is this just another made up Wikipedia thing, because on there it said this was planned as his 3rd Death Row album, but I find this doubtful, as most rappers usually don't go back to the vaults for new material. They usually just keep using the newest shit. Also was material like "I Wonder If Heaven Got a Ghetto" really rerecorded at DR? I just don't hear it.
- Makaveli Records Compilation (NEVER RELEASED)
- This was mentioned in the All Eyez On Me booklet. Was there actually any work ever done on this?
Ok thats all I got for now, anybody else got anything else he was working on at the time?
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that's pretty accurate
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He also had another Record during his Me Against The World Jail stint. He planned releasing it, but then Suge bailed him out and he decided 2 Work on All Eyez On Me.
Also he was going to be working on Thug Life Vol. 2 for Makaveli Records, but I don't think he ever started it.
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damn there was a makaveli records?
whos label was that?
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damn there was a makaveli records?
whos label was that?
2pacs.. lmao
Death Row East had Barely started (logos and shit was drawn up but no offices were set up yet). Around this time Doggystyle/Death was up and Makaveli Records was going to come (with Distribution taking up via Death Row. Basically it was all at the very established basics (Makaveli had a Logo, but no building or anything else).
Basically Death Row East was to handle East Coast Acts, and Makaveli Records was to Handle niggaz only 2pac was working with. He talked about just dropping deep albums every 5 years, and do production for his artist and doing his movies (with his Movie Company lol I can't spell it correctly but it had a logo, Live 2 Tell was to be its first movie, but that never happened do 2 his death).
Basically though this was all planned, but even then wouldn't of happened. 2pac Violated his Parole, as such he would of been sent to jail for the remainder of his sentence, Death Row would crumble (though probably not as bad) chances are Makaveli or some album would of been released during his jail term, but basically the situation was fucked up both ways. :-\
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So before Tupac died, he had quite a few things on his plate, I wanna see if I'm missing any:
- Makaveli album (RELEASED Nov. 96)
- One Nation (NEVER RELEASED)
- Album from '93 to '96 that ended up being R U Still Down (RELEASED)
- Was this for real? Was he honestly planning on releasing this material or is this just another made up Wikipedia thing, because on there it said this was planned as his 3rd Death Row album, but I find this doubtful, as most rappers usually don't go back to the vaults for new material. They usually just keep using the newest shit. Also was material like "I Wonder If Heaven Got a Ghetto" really rerecorded at DR? I just don't hear it.
- Makaveli Records Compilation (NEVER RELEASED)
- This was mentioned in the All Eyez On Me booklet. Was there actually any work ever done on this?
Ok thats all I got for now, anybody else got anything else he was working on at the time?
That's not completely accurate. If you look at Pac's original Death Row contract, it stated that his first album (to be titled R U Still Down) was to consist of previously unreleased tracks (some of which ended up actually being on R U Still Down) remixed by Death Row producers, primarily Dr. Dre (though of course he didn't know that Suge and Kenner were obligating him to it). Once Pac was released from jail, he actually did end up re-recording some of them (i.e., When I Get Free, Life's So Hard, etc.) as opposed to the existing recording being revamped. This whole thing got scrapped as Pac started churning out new material at such a fast rate.
After All Eyez on Me, Pac did have a complete album practically ready to go, which he discussed in his interview with Sway (of KMEL) and described as a positive album reminiscent of Me Against the World. There hasn't been any information about this as far as what songs were on it, though of course everyone has their guesses, such as Happy Home. This album was clearly put on hold.
While filming Gridlock'd, Pac was set to oversee its soundtrack, which he did start. He obviously didn't finish since its release date wasn't going to be for a while. His plan was to make one disc basically like a Death Row project, with artists like himself, Snoop, Tha Dogg Pound, etc. doing songs for it, which is more or less what got released (though more than likely Suge and Daz added random Death Row songs to it), while the other disc was to be of different music genres, which is reflected in the actual music used in the film, like the scene where Pac is smoking a cigarette while Tim Roth is asleep after they talk to the doctor about Cookie (Thandie Newton's character) in the hospital. Clearly Pac didn't get around to this project.
Pac's next plan was the One Nation compilation, most of which was recorded throughout July while the Boot Camp Clik stayed with him at his house and worked with him at Can-Am Studios.
Pac ended up with the idea for the Makaveli album, which he put his energy into during August and wanted to release before One Nation, though Suge probably pushed its release ahead of schedule after Pac died to capitalize on the frenzy around Pac's death.
Of course, Pac had a bunch of side projects in the works, like the Outlawz album, offshoots of them (i.e., Fatal-N-Felony), Big Syke's solo album (though I don't think it would've ended up being a Death Row release).
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damn so suge was serious bout doin this whole death row east deal
(as in hed been workin on it for years)
good lookin on the info
damn there was a makaveli records?
whos label was that?
2pacs.. lmao
Death Row East had Barely started (logos and shit was drawn up but no offices were set up yet). Around this time Doggystyle/Death was up and Makaveli Records was going to come (with Distribution taking up via Death Row. Basically it was all at the very established basics (Makaveli had a Logo, but no building or anything else).
Basically Death Row East was to handle East Coast Acts, and Makaveli Records was to Handle niggaz only 2pac was working with. He talked about just dropping deep albums every 5 years, and do production for his artist and doing his movies (with his Movie Company lol I can't spell it correctly but it had a logo, Live 2 Tell was to be its first movie, but that never happened do 2 his death).
Basically though this was all planned, but even then wouldn't of happened. 2pac Violated his Parole, as such he would of been sent to jail for the remainder of his sentence, Death Row would crumble (though probably not as bad) chances are Makaveli or some album would of been released during his jail term, but basically the situation was fucked up both ways. :-\
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Of course, Pac had a bunch of side projects in the works, like the Outlawz album, offshoots of them (i.e., Fatal-N-Felony), Big Syke's solo album (though I don't think it would've ended up being a Death Row release).
Wait so, he was supposed to release R U Still Down after he got outta jail with remixes by Dr. Dre amongst others?? Thats pretty crazy. Where is this contract that refers to all this. I'd be interested in seeing it. And is there any more info on the supposed "positive" album that he was gonna put out after All Eyez On Me? And if he had a completed album, why didn't Death Row/Afeni just respect his work and put it out as he intended?
Also, "Life's So Hard" from Gang Related was a pre Death Row song rerecorded at Death Row? I always thought it was a total Death Row era song with Snoop on it and all.
I don't know, so it seems all Tupac had ready to go was Makaveli by the time of his death. I guess he didn't have One Nation ready after all or R U Still Down for that matter. Although that Me Against The World like album woulda been cool, especially as how it seems Afeni has wanted to market Tupac as a nice guy and less of a thug since his death. I wonder if there's any info on that tracklisting.
I wonder if Wideawake has any info on these projects. They've already told us the tracklisting for Doggumentary, so maybe they have the proposed lists for the Tupac stuff.
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There's actually a duplicate of Pac's prison contract in the book that Amaru put out a few years back and it does state that Dr. Dre would produce a project on him and that Snoop would be featured. It was likely that this was done without Dre's knowledge as I remember reading that one of Dre's complaints with Suge toward the end was that he was promising new artists who signed to the label that Dre would do their whole album and then they would show up and Dre didn't even know who some of the artists were.
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was Thug Life 2 ft Master P going to happen?
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but at what point did dre start to have beef wit pac?
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Wait so, he was supposed to release R U Still Down after he got outta jail with remixes by Dr. Dre amongst others?? Thats pretty crazy. Where is this contract that refers to all this. I'd be interested in seeing it. And is there any more info on the supposed "positive" album that he was gonna put out after All Eyez On Me? And if he had a completed album, why didn't Death Row/Afeni just respect his work and put it out as he intended?
That was the suggested title for his first Death Row album, based on his contract, and was to be released in 1995, followed by Euthanasia in 1996. Obviously these were just proposals, as his Death Row debut album went through a lot of drafts conceptually before even getting recorded and evolving into the All Eyez on Me album as we have it today.
As I stated earlier, there isn't really any other information about the "positive" album other than what I had stated (which was based on Pac's own words from interviews from April-May 1996). Death Row didn't put it out because they no longer had control over his unreleased recordings, and Amaru didn't put it out because they are run by a bunch of inexperienced idiots who slap together Pac albums of their own track listing.
Also, "Life's So Hard" from Gang Related was a pre Death Row song rerecorded at Death Row? I always thought it was a total Death Row era song with Snoop on it and all.
The version on the Gang Related soundtrack was obviously re-recorded on Death Row, given the Daz beat and the Snoop adlibs, along with the last verse with its references to certain Death Row artists, if I remember correctly. The original version has a much slower-sounding, gloomy beat which I believe had a Led Zepplin sample from what I remember reading.
I don't know, so it seems all Tupac had ready to go was Makaveli by the time of his death. I guess he didn't have One Nation ready after all or R U Still Down for that matter. Although that Me Against The World like album woulda been cool, especially as how it seems Afeni has wanted to market Tupac as a nice guy and less of a thug since his death. I wonder if there's any info on that tracklisting.
I wouldn't say that One Nation wasn't "ready," seeing how many tracks we already know about that have leaked and a few that haven't. Also, keep in mind that the plan was for the first disc to be released on Death Row/Makaveli while the second disc was to be released later through Duck Down. The second disc might not have been completed, possibly because maybe Pac was intending to finish up the album with them on the East Coast, though there are rumors that the guys from Boot Camp have the tracks but are keeping quiet about them since they don't want the tracks to get swooped on by Amaru and remixed to hell.
I wonder if Wideawake has any info on these projects. They've already told us the tracklisting for Doggumentary, so maybe they have the proposed lists for the Tupac stuff.
The track lists might be among what was part of the Death Row acquisition, but any songs would probably be in Afeni's possession, though I'm sure there is a possibility of a track or two from the One Nation sessions that might be floating around in WideAwake's possession. Remember, the Death Row vaults, especially Pac's material, wasn't cataloged as well as you would think. A lot of stuff was mislabeled, not labeled at all or just lost... this explains why the Nu-Mixx of Hit 'Em Up uses the clean version's accapella rather than the explicit version, which is said to have been lost.
was Thug Life 2 ft Master P going to happen?
I never heard about that, or at least I don't remember. I do remember rumors of a Thug Life Volume II coming out, but I don't remember Master P being involved. The only thing that I can think of was when there was talks in 1998 or 1999 that Master P/No Limit had made an low eight-figure offer to Amaru Records for the rights to a batch of unreleased Pac songs, which was obviously rejected (thankfully).
but at what point did dre start to have beef wit pac?
Dr. Dre was already not a happy camper when Suge was in talks of signing Pac to Death Row. After Pac came over, he put on a smile and helped him out, though Suge practically forcing Dre to give up California Love for Pac's album didn't help. Dre's "beef" with Pac (if you want to call it that) didn't really start until around after he left the label since he was aware of Pac talking shit about him regarding the circumstances surrounding his departure from Death Row.
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aite but what do you mean force?
get the bloods on dre? lol
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but at what point did dre start to have beef wit pac?
Dre never really had beef with Pac. Pac didn't like Dre because Pac was riding for Death Row at a time when Dre wanted to distance himself from the label. Around 1995, Dre more or less stopped going to Can-Am because he didn't like the working environment over there and started working out of his own studio at home. When Pac arrived, he was riding with Suge and the direction of the label was beginning to shift away from Dre. When Pac got there, he was heavy into Suge's plan. Dre, at that point, was tired of it. Dre had been through the whole drama with Ruthless and I think in retrospect, you could see that there was power struggle going on before Pac even got there that Dre was destined to lose.
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aite but what do you mean force?
get the bloods on dre? lol
Suge was running the show at that point. Dre was still a co-owner but his influence was not what it was. Not being there, we can only speculate but interviews with several artists suggest it was the "divide and conquer" situation. Suge was calling shots and Dre was somewhere making music with his own group of artists.
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DeeezNuuuts83 or jimmyh you know if pac wrote his own muzik?
or what portion of it he did/didnt write?
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DeeezNuuuts83 or jimmyh you know if pac wrote his own muzik?
or what portion of it he did/didnt write?
He wrote his own. During recording sessions everyone had to write there shit down quick, if you didn't he'd pass you up. That's why Bad Azz got a spot on Makaveli, cause he had his stuff written already during that Tracks session. Basically he'd wrote a track, recorded it and then sent it down to mixing. Sometimes he didn't finish a track and just moved on to the next one (This was in case if people couldn't get enough lyrics together) this is why you hear a lot of unreleased solo tracks, which are way more compared to stuff he has features on.
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thats some of the craziest shit ever then...if he wrote all of his muzik he recorded, thats some crazy shit to have wrote it himself IMO and makes him even better of a rapper
DeeezNuuuts83 or jimmyh you know if pac wrote his own muzik?
or what portion of it he did/didnt write?
He wrote his own. During recording sessions everyone had to write there shit down quick, if you didn't he'd pass you up. That's why Bad Azz got a spot on Makaveli, cause he had his stuff written already during that Tracks session. Basically he'd wrote a track, recorded it and then sent it down to mixing. Sometimes he didn't finish a track and just moved on to the next one (This was in case if people couldn't get enough lyrics together) this is why you hear a lot of unreleased solo tracks, which are way more compared to stuff he has features on.
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Yeah, that's the one thing that people are always impressed by with Pac is his work ethic. He'd write a ridiculous amount of songs out.
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I think the reason dre left death row and pac start beefin with him was - Dre was need to show up to the snoop dogg trial to testefy that he was with him at the same night of the shootin... and he didnt and thats why dre left death row and pac took that as insult to him and the all death row.. i read that shit years ago...
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I think the reason dre left death row and pac start beefin with him was - Dre was need to show up to the snoop dogg trial to testefy that he was with him at the same night of the shootin... and he didnt and thats why dre left death row and pac took that as insult to him and the all death row.. i read that shit years ago...
There was a interview were Dre stated when a Mixer or some producer rewinded a tape to far, suge knight beat his ass, and thats when he felt Death Row was no longer a good place to do business.This combined with the fact him and DOC fell out over Heltah Skeltah, His own music being forced into the 2pac project (Cali Love).Basically he bought out his contract, gave up his position, and then didn't show up at the Snoop Trail.
2pac on the other hand beefed with him, cause he failed 2 show at the trail, Couldn't produce fast enough, took credit for stuff he didn't (it was over a Daz beat), and the fact he Sold the original Toss it Up beat 2 another group which prompted the diss track at the end of what's on the album now. Combined with the fact he didn't Ride for the west or Death Row anymore. I Think tupac might of considered him a sell out.
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DeeezNuuuts83 or jimmyh you know if pac wrote his own muzik?
or what portion of it he did/didnt write?
He wrote his own. During recording sessions everyone had to write there shit down quick, if you didn't he'd pass you up. That's why Bad Azz got a spot on Makaveli, cause he had his stuff written already during that Tracks session. Basically he'd wrote a track, recorded it and then sent it down to mixing. Sometimes he didn't finish a track and just moved on to the next one (This was in case if people couldn't get enough lyrics together) this is why you hear a lot of unreleased solo tracks, which are way more compared to stuff he has features on.
Thought this was common knowledge ;D
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I think the reason dre left death row and pac start beefin with him was - Dre was need to show up to the snoop dogg trial to testefy that he was with him at the same night of the shootin... and he didnt and thats why dre left death row and pac took that as insult to him and the all death row.. i read that shit years ago...
I don't know how much truth there is to someone in Snoop's murder trial claiming that Dr. Dre was with him, which I had never heard of until it was mentioned in Pac interviews... the same thing goes for all of their claims about Dre having a male lover or whatever it was. That aside, Dre didn't want to go to Snoop's trial for the simple fact that he was not a fan of going to court, even when it was his own neck on the line, much less someone else's.
There was a interview were Dre stated when a Mixer or some producer rewinded a tape to far, suge knight beat his ass, and thats when he felt Death Row was no longer a good place to do business.This combined with the fact him and DOC fell out over Heltah Skeltah, His own music being forced into the 2pac project (Cali Love).Basically he bought out his contract, gave up his position, and then didn't show up at the Snoop Trail.
It was a studio engineer who had rewinded the tape too far before getting smacked around, though I'm sure it was more complicated than that. (The guy had probably been messing up several times that day already--not even Suge is mean enough to just beat a guy up for rewinding a tape too far.)
2pac on the other hand beefed with him, cause he failed 2 show at the trail, Couldn't produce fast enough, took credit for stuff he didn't (it was over a Daz beat), and the fact he Sold the original Toss it Up beat 2 another group which prompted the diss track at the end of what's on the album now. Combined with the fact he didn't Ride for the west or Death Row anymore. I Think tupac might of considered him a sell out.
It was Got My Mind Made Up that Dre was said to have taken credit for. It wasn't so much that Dre couldn't produce fast enough, as he was still making music throughout the years; it was more about Dre not being an active participant at Can-Am, since Dre had his own studio at his home where he would do music, which is why Suge and his homies had to show up at Dre's after he left Death Row to "re-acquire" any Death Row music that he had in his possession. (Based on Dre's side of the story, Suge showed up and wanted the tapes, and Dre handed them over after making duplicates of them.)
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I think the reason dre left death row and pac start beefin with him was - Dre was need to show up to the snoop dogg trial to testefy that he was with him at the same night of the shootin... and he didnt and thats why dre left death row and pac took that as insult to him and the all death row.. i read that shit years ago...
I don't know how much truth there is to someone in Snoop's murder trial claiming that Dr. Dre was with him, which I had never heard of until it was mentioned in Pac interviews... the same thing goes for all of their claims about Dre having a male lover or whatever it was. That aside, Dre didn't want to go to Snoop's trial for the simple fact that he was not a fan of going to court, even when it was his own neck on the line, much less someone else's.
There was a interview were Dre stated when a Mixer or some producer rewinded a tape to far, suge knight beat his ass, and thats when he felt Death Row was no longer a good place to do business.This combined with the fact him and DOC fell out over Heltah Skeltah, His own music being forced into the 2pac project (Cali Love).Basically he bought out his contract, gave up his position, and then didn't show up at the Snoop Trail.
It was a studio engineer who had rewinded the tape too far before getting smacked around, though I'm sure it was more complicated than that. (The guy had probably been messing up several times that day already--not even Suge is mean enough to just beat a guy up for rewinding a tape too far.)
2pac on the other hand beefed with him, cause he failed 2 show at the trail, Couldn't produce fast enough, took credit for stuff he didn't (it was over a Daz beat), and the fact he Sold the original Toss it Up beat 2 another group which prompted the diss track at the end of what's on the album now. Combined with the fact he didn't Ride for the west or Death Row anymore. I Think tupac might of considered him a sell out.
It was Got My Mind Made Up that Dre was said to have taken credit for. It wasn't so much that Dre couldn't produce fast enough, as he was still making music throughout the years; it was more about Dre not being an active participant at Can-Am, since Dre had his own studio at his home where he would do music, which is why Suge and his homies had to show up at Dre's after he left Death Row to "re-acquire" any Death Row music that he had in his possession. (Based on Dre's side of the story, Suge showed up and wanted the tapes, and Dre handed them over after making duplicates of them.)
Yeah I couldn't remember what the person position was, nor which Daz beat it was. Also on the Murder thing, Dre wasn't even at the scene of the crime. It was Snoop and his Body Guard, and his body guard was the one who pulled the trigger. Snoop pretty much got guilt by association.
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There was a interview were Dre stated when a Mixer or some producer rewinded a tape to far, suge knight beat his ass, and thats when he felt Death Row was no longer a good place to do business.This combined with the fact him and DOC fell out over Heltah Skeltah, His own music being forced into the 2pac project (Cali Love).Basically he bought out his contract, gave up his position, and then didn't show up at the Snoop Trail.
2pac on the other hand beefed with him, cause he failed 2 show at the trail, Couldn't produce fast enough, took credit for stuff he didn't (it was over a Daz beat), and the fact he Sold the original Toss it Up beat 2 another group which prompted the diss track at the end of what's on the album now. Combined with the fact he didn't Ride for the west or Death Row anymore. I Think tupac might of considered him a sell out.
He never outright said Suge beat up an engineer. He said things were happening in the studio that were out of control. When you read what other people say about Dre, he felt the studio was sacred. He didn't want any nonsense going on in there and he only wanted people in there that were bringing something creative to the table.
In terms of Pac-Dre, they both have kind of the same story just from a different perspective. Pac was loyal to Death Row and riding for Suge. Dre was not interested in being a part of that. Pac found that to be disloyal. Dre commented in one magazine that "Tupac really don't know what he talking about. Dre jumped ship? Dre helped build the ship you're on."
Frank Alexander has stated that at first, Pac and Dre seemed to get along fine but as soon as problems arose between Dre and Suge, Pac was looking to get at Dre. The murder trial thing with Snoop has always seemed like a smokescreen. Dre knew why Death Row wanted him there and he didn't bite. According to Bruce Williams, Dre's right-hand, both he and Dre had actually warned Sam Sneed against going to the infamous meeting where he got beat down. They knew that Sam was going to get fucked up because he was seen as part of Dre's crew. He made it sound like Dre knew that his departure would be viewed as a betrayal by a lot of the artists over there and that anyone affiliated with him should steer clear of the label because they'd probably be treated in the same fashion.
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He never outright said Suge beat up an engineer. He said things were happening in the studio that were out of control. When you read what other people say about Dre, he felt the studio was sacred. He didn't want any nonsense going on in there and he only wanted people in there that were bringing something creative to the table.
There was that, and the fact that a lot was going on without his knowledge, like the signing of artists who were promised Dre production by Suge.
In terms of Pac-Dre, they both have kind of the same story just from a different perspective. Pac was loyal to Death Row and riding for Suge. Dre was not interested in being a part of that. Pac found that to be disloyal. Dre commented in one magazine that "Tupac really don't know what he talking about. Dre jumped ship? Dre helped build the ship you're on."
Dre had also already gone through his own issues like when he got put on house arrest for speeding through L.A. in his Ferrari. He was already getting older and was beyond the nonsense, while Pac was turning into a loose cannon since he wanted to prove his worth to Suge (and the street cats behind him) while also being fueled by the street shit going on with the label, much of which didn't involve him (which Dre also mentioned in interviews).
Frank Alexander has stated that at first, Pac and Dre seemed to get along fine but as soon as problems arose between Dre and Suge, Pac was looking to get at Dre. The murder trial thing with Snoop has always seemed like a smokescreen. Dre knew why Death Row wanted him there and he didn't bite. According to Bruce Williams, Dre's right-hand, both he and Dre had actually warned Sam Sneed against going to the infamous meeting where he got beat down. They knew that Sam was going to get fucked up because he was seen as part of Dre's crew. He made it sound like Dre knew that his departure would be viewed as a betrayal by a lot of the artists over there and that anyone affiliated with him should steer clear of the label because they'd probably be treated in the same fashion.
Personally, I try to avoid using Frank Alexander as a source, given how much bullshit he has spewed, haha. That aside, Dre didn't warn Sam Sneed about the actual meeting, he was just encouraging him to stop hanging out at Death Row so often and to leave with him, but it didn't happen that way.
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Pac was too dam sensitive. If the mutherfucka would've been more strategic his ass would've been alive and been plenty of rich. People will always gossip, don't mean you need to pay heed to their words.
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im not sayin your wrong or defendin his death or anything but
i know pac talked alot about death
so take the case of him gettin blasted on and not survivin..what if he woud have made it out alive that night?
as in who knows if his death was planned that exact night..i mean he made it out alive from gunshots before
all im sayin is...is there any chance he was hit by accident? lol if you understand what im sayin
and he died due to bein hit
Pac was too dam sensitive. If the mutherfucka would've been more strategic his ass would've been alive and been plenty of rich. People will always gossip, don't mean you need to pay heed to their words.