West Coast Alternative rap >> West Coast Gangster rap
sure ;D
West Coast Alternative rap >> West Coast Gangster rap
sure ;D
alternative rap has been thriving since the early 90s. I can't say the same for gangster rap.
Its rather played out IMO, and there aren't very many standout "gangster rappers".
There ain't that many standout alternative rappers either.
West Coast Alternative rap >> West Coast Gangster rap
sure ;D
alternative rap has been thriving since the early 90s. I can't say the same for gangster rap.
Its rather played out IMO, and there aren't very many standout "gangster rappers".
There ain't that many standout alternative rappers either.
What are you smoking?
If anything, the alternative scene is even better than it was in the 90s, with the internet andindiealternative rappers being able to gain exposure outside of their local areas.
Outkast, Pharaoh Monche, Slug, MURS, MIA, Doom, Aceyalone, Mika 9, Gift of Gab, Zion I,
and that's just a few off the top of my head, doesn't even touch the surface.
:idea: West Coast Alternative rap :idea: >> :idea: West Coast Gangster rap :idea:
West Coast Alternative rap >> West Coast Gangster rap
sure ;D
alternative rap has been thriving since the early 90s. I can't say the same for gangster rap.
Its rather played out IMO, and there aren't very many standout "gangster rappers".
There ain't that many standout alternative rappers either.
What are you smoking?
If anything, the alternative scene is even better than it was in the 90s, with the internet andindiealternative rappers being able to gain exposure outside of their local areas.
Outkast, Pharaoh Monche, Slug, MURS, MIA, Doom, Aceyalone, Mika 9, Gift of Gab, Zion I,
and that's just a few off the top of my head, doesn't even touch the surface.
On what level are we talking?
Because if you bring Outkast in the mix,you got bring in the million and one gangster pop rappers too.
And why did you bring in Outkast,Pharaoh Monche and so on into to the mix;?:idea: West Coast Alternative rap :idea: >> :idea: West Coast Gangster rap :idea:
Anyway on a national level both scenes got it's mainstream and underground heroes.
alt. hip-hop is NO gangsta shit plus some experimental sounds.
alt. hip-hop is NO gangsta shit plus some experimental sounds.
Close but not quite. Basically it doesn't fit into the norm, isn't one of the established hip hop genres. IE not gangsta rap, not club rap, not boom bap. I get the feeling Vader thinks you have to sound like Common to be alternative ;D
Hey young kid.... I´m pretty sure PH knows more about Hip Hop than you ;) So take it a little easy there now kid ;D
West Coast Alternative rap >> West Coast Gangster rap
sure ;D
alternative rap has been thriving since the early 90s. I can't say the same for gangster rap.
Its rather played out IMO, and there aren't very many standout "gangster rappers".
There ain't that many standout alternative rappers either.
What are you smoking?
If anything, the alternative scene is even better than it was in the 90s, with the internet andindiealternative rappers being able to gain exposure outside of their local areas.
Outkast, Pharaoh Monche, Slug, MURS, MIA, Doom, Aceyalone, Mika 9, Gift of Gab, Zion I,
and that's just a few off the top of my head, doesn't even touch the surface.
On what level are we talking?
Because if you bring Outkast in the mix,you got bring in the million and one gangster pop rappers too.
And why did you bring in Outkast,Pharaoh Monche and so on into to the mix;?:idea: West Coast Alternative rap :idea: >> :idea: West Coast Gangster rap :idea:
Anyway on a national level both scenes got it's mainstream and underground heroes.
Outkast and Pharoahe Monch are considered alternative rappers.
Gangstaer pop rappers are exactly that...gangstaer pop.
They have nothing in common with either outkast or monche. I'm not sure you quite understand what alternative rap is.
:idea: West Coast Alternative rap :idea: >> :idea: West Coast Gangster rap :idea:So lets get back on track,ok? ;)
Gangstaer rap is practically dead on the mainstream level, and what's there is pitiful compared to how it was in the 90s.
The underground scene is a little bit better, but the whole new west movement is pretty much a joke with dudes getting signed and never releasing albums. The mainstream heroes have fallen off and the underground heroes (at least on here) are mostly mixtape rappers.
:idea: West Coast Alternative rap :idea: >> :idea: West Coast Gangster rap :idea:
:idea: West Coast Alternative rap :idea: >> :idea: West Coast Gangster rap :idea:
alt. hip-hop is NO gangsta shit plus some experimental sounds.
Close but not quite. Basically it doesn't fit into the norm, isn't one of the established hip hop genres. IE not gangsta rap, not club rap, not boom bap. I get the feeling Vader thinks you have to sound like Common to be alternative ;D
Hey young kid.... I´m pretty sure PH knows more about Hip Hop than you ;) So take it a little easy there now kid ;D
I haven't been a kid in years. Do you resort to saying that every time someone kicks more knowledge than you?
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Stay on topic please ;)
IMO... there is NO question that in the history of West Coast rap,it has produced better gangster rap than alternative rap.
Is the current (West Coast) gangster rap scene better than the alternative scene?
Hard to say,both has released dope shit... IMO they're pretty equal in 200+
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Is the current (West Coast) gangster rap scene better than the alternative scene?
Hard to say,both has released dope shit... IMO they're pretty equal in 200+
Name some dope gangsta rap artists or albums from the last few years, preferably some who have dropped albums.
MC Eiht - Lunatic Good Alternative rap song ... 8) 8) N My Neighborhood CD
IMO... there is NO question that in the history of West Coast rap,it has produced better gangster rap than alternative rap.
We'll have to disagree then. Both genres have produced some amazing albums. The only difference is that gangstaer rap got more publicity.
Is the current (West Coast) gangster rap scene better than the alternative scene?
Hard to say,both has released dope shit... IMO they're pretty equal in 200+
Name some dope gangstaer rap artists or albums from the last few years, preferably some who have dropped albums.
On topic
IMO... there is NO question that in the history of West Coast rap,it has produced better gangster rap than alternative rap.We'll have to disagree then. Both genres have produced some amazing albums. The only difference is that gangstaer rap got more publicity.
Yes... But IMO the alternative scene can't compete with the number of dope albums coming out of for example;
-The NWA/DPG family
-Dangerous crew
-Young Black Brotha
On top of my head;
-WC´s last album is tight.
-Young Maylay. No album,but two mixtapes/street albums that shit on everything out there. (Young Maylay; The Real Coast Guard reviews) (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=185212.msg1929886#msg1929886)
-Mob Figaz/The Jacka/Rob lo... yes they released plenty of albums. ;) ;D
In case you ain't heard their shit;
http://www.youtube.com/v/EIeYmph_sUg&hl=en&fs=1
and;
Two dope Mob Figaz/The Jacka/Rob lo tracks (http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?ngyyimaagqj) ;)
MC Eiht - Lunatic Good Alternative rap song ... 8) 8) N My Neighborhood CD
On topic
IMO... there is NO question that in the history of West Coast rap,it has produced better gangster rap than alternative rap.We'll have to disagree then. Both genres have produced some amazing albums. The only difference is that gangstaer rap got more publicity.
Yes... But IMO the alternative scene can't compete with the number of dope albums coming out of for example;
-The NWA/DPG family
-Dangerous crew
-Young Black Brotha
Hieroglyphics crew, Freestyle Fellowship, Living Legends....three big collectives who put out tons of dope music during the 90s.
On top of my head;
-WC´s last album is tight.
-Young Maylay. No album,but two mixtapes/street albums that shit on everything out there. (Young Maylay; The Real Coast Guard reviews) (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=185212.msg1929886#msg1929886)
-Mob Figaz/The Jacka/Rob lo... yes they released plenty of albums. ;) ;D
In case you ain't heard their shit;
http://www.youtube.com/v/EIeYmph_sUg&hl=en&fs=1
and;
Two dope Mob Figaz/The Jacka/Rob lo tracks (http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?ngyyimaagqj) ;)
Just 2 notable albums? And one is from two years ago. Do you get the point I'm making about modern gangstaer rap?
On top of my head;
-WC´s last album is tight.
-Young Maylay. No album,but two mixtapes/street albums that shit on everything out there. (Young Maylay; The Real Coast Guard reviews) (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=185212.msg1929886#msg1929886)
-Mob Figaz/The Jacka/Rob lo... yes they released plenty of albums. ;) ;D
In case you ain't heard their shit;
http://www.youtube.com/v/EIeYmph_sUg&hl=en&fs=1
and;
Two dope Mob Figaz/The Jacka/Rob lo tracks (http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?ngyyimaagqj) ;)
On topic
IMO... there is NO question that in the history of West Coast rap,it has produced better gangster rap than alternative rap.We'll have to disagree then. Both genres have produced some amazing albums. The only difference is that gangstaer rap got more publicity.
Yes... But IMO the alternative scene can't compete with the number of dope albums coming out of for example;
-The NWA/DPG family
-Dangerous crew
-Young Black Brotha
Hieroglyphics crew, Freestyle Fellowship, Living Legends....three big collectives who put out tons of dope music during the 90s.
Yes
but I said;
number of albums,not that there ain´t dope albums ;)
On top of my head;
-WC´s last album is tight.
-Young Maylay. No album,but two mixtapes/street albums that shit on everything out there. (Young Maylay; The Real Coast Guard reviews) (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=185212.msg1929886#msg1929886)
-Mob Figaz/The Jacka/Rob lo... yes they released plenty of albums. ;) ;D
In case you ain't heard their shit;
http://www.youtube.com/v/EIeYmph_sUg&hl=en&fs=1
and;
Two dope Mob Figaz/The Jacka/Rob lo tracks (http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?ngyyimaagqj) ;)
Just 2 notable albums? And one is from two years ago. Do you get the point I'm making about modern gangstaer rap?
Where did you get that number from?
one more time;
On top of my head;
-WC´s last album is tight.
-Young Maylay. No album,but two mixtapes/street albums that shit on everything out there. (Young Maylay; The Real Coast Guard reviews) (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=185212.msg1929886#msg1929886)
Lets add Maylays first mixtape/album ;).
And take note off; On top of my head;
Related link; ;)
Vader's favorite albums in 2008 (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=205019.msg2072055#msg2072055)
-Mob Figaz/The Jacka/Rob lo... yes they released plenty of albums. ;) ;D
In case you ain't heard their shit;
http://www.youtube.com/v/EIeYmph_sUg&hl=en&fs=1
and;
Two dope Mob Figaz/The Jacka/Rob lo tracks (http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?ngyyimaagqj) ;)
Mob Figaz is group and collective of MC´s. The three tracks above appears on 3 individual albums.
That equals 4 albums and 1 street album (2 if you count the one I added). ;)
Where is all those dope alternative rap retail albums?
On topic
IMO... there is NO question that in the history of West Coast rap,it has produced better gangster rap than alternative rap.We'll have to disagree then. Both genres have produced some amazing albums. The only difference is that gangstaer rap got more publicity.
Yes... But IMO the alternative scene can't compete with the number of dope albums coming out of for example;
-The NWA/DPG family
-Dangerous crew
-Young Black Brotha
Hieroglyphics crew, Freestyle Fellowship, Living Legends....three big collectives who put out tons of dope music during the 90s.
Yes
but I said;
number of albums,not that there ain't dope albums ;)
Take a look again. Each of those crews are huge and have released a ton of albums, group albums, each have their solo albums, side projects, etc etc.
At least as many as, if not more than the groups you mentioned. And these are just three collectives out of the entire west coast alternative underground scene.
I think you underestimate the amount of music coming out on theindiealternative rap scene, as a lot of it slips under the radar.
NWA family tree (Rap Pages February 1998)
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2196/2156295505_880f4ba1a0_b.jpg)
On top of my head;
-WC´s last album is tight.
-Young Maylay. No album,but two mixtapes/street albums that shit on everything out there. (Young Maylay; The Real Coast Guard reviews) (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=185212.msg1929886#msg1929886)
-Mob Figaz/The Jacka/Rob lo... yes they released plenty of albums. ;) ;D
In case you ain't heard their shit;
http://www.youtube.com/v/EIeYmph_sUg&hl=en&fs=1
and;
Two dope Mob Figaz/The Jacka/Rob lo tracks (http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?ngyyimaagqj) ;)
Just 2 notable albums? And one is from two years ago. Do you get the point I'm making about modern gangstaer rap?
Where did you get that number from?
one more time;
On top of my head;
-WC´s last album is tight.
-Young Maylay. No album,but two mixtapes/street albums that shit on everything out there. (Young Maylay; The Real Coast Guard reviews) (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=185212.msg1929886#msg1929886)
Lets add Maylays first mixtape/album ;).
And take note off; On top of my head;
Related link; ;)
Vader's favorite albums in 2008 (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=205019.msg2072055#msg2072055)
-Mob Figaz/The Jacka/Rob lo... yes they released plenty of albums. ;) ;D
In case you ain't heard their shit;
http://www.youtube.com/v/EIeYmph_sUg&hl=en&fs=1
and;
Two dope Mob Figaz/The Jacka/Rob lo tracks (http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?ngyyimaagqj) ;)
Mob Figaz is group and collective of MC´s. The three tracks above appears on 3 individual albums.
That equals 4 albums and 1 street album (2 if you count the one I added). ;)
I got two from W.C. and the Jacka's last albums. I don't listen to anyone else from Mob Figaz.
Really, you're going to include mixtapes? That's a sign in itself that west coast gangsta rap is suffering.
Where is all those dope alternative rap retail albums?
from 2009....
Rejuvenation - Abstract Rude
Aceyalone and the Lonely Ones
Jhelli Beam - Busdriver
Parallel Universes - Del tha Funkee Homosapien and Tame One
1969 - Myka 9
Invisible Man - Superstar Quamallah
Say G & E - Eligh and the Grouch
The Takeover - Zion I
to name a few....none of them mixtapes
8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
And dude, the link you posted has 5 albums on it that you like, only 2 of them gangsta rap albums.
2009
Ratings roughly based on how many tracks I kept from each album.
Bay Area;
-The Jacka Tear Gas; 3.5/5
-T-Kash Brains All Over The Streets; 3.5/5
-ap9 I Am Legend; 3/5
-Mac Mall; Mac To The Future; 3/5
-Rich The Factor; Bucks Over Fame 2.5/5
-Yukmouth; The West Coast Don 2.5/5
-Reek Daddy; Super Thug 2.5/5
-Ray Luv; Death Wish 2.5/5
-P.S.D.; A Star Iz Born 2.5/5
-Guce; Giants & Elephants; 3/5
-Extreme; 25 Hours A Day; 3/5
-Del; Funk Man the stimulus package; 2.5/5
-The Conscious Daughters; The Nutcracker Suite; 2.5/5
-Brotha Lynch Hung; Suspicion V.2 2.5/5
-Brotha Lynch Hung; The Gas Station Mixtape; 3/5
-Big Lou; Mob Affiliated 2.5/5
LA;
-Tash; Control Freek; 3/5
-Spider Loc; Land of the lost Street Album; 3/5
-Spider Loc: King Of RnB 3 2/5
-Souls in Chains; Rebellious of the Sunrise 2/5
-Rome; My Demo; 3.5/5
-RBX; X2: The Digital Kush; 2.5/5
-Randam Luck; Graveyard Shift 3/5
-Magnificent Ruffians; Elevated Ruffians; 4/5
-Kam; PRESENTS FRUIT-PRUNO ; 3/5
-J.Wells; Digital Master vol 2.1; 2.5/5
-Inverse; So True EP; 3/5
-Hopsin: Haywire; 3.5/5
-Glasses Malone; Glasses Malone Presents monster's InK ; 3/5
-Kurupt; Tha Penagon, Vol. 1; 3/5
-Daz: Public Enemiez; 2.5/5
-Soopafly; Gotta Get This Money; 3/5
-quik/kurupt Blacqout; 3/5
-soul assasins; 3.5/5
-Taje; Hot Box 3; 3.5/5
-Omar Cruz; Hand of cruz; 3.5/5
-Warren G; 2.5/5
-Cypress Hill; Smoke N Mirrors; 3.5/5
-Crooked I; Slaughterhouse 3.5/5
-Bigg Steele; Pinky Ring Muzic 3/5
-big keboe (the hefe); international hefe with 8starz ; 3/5
-Alchemist; Chemical Warfare; 3/5
NYC
-Raekwon ONQL2; 3.5/5
-X-Clan; Mainstream Outlawz; 3.5/5
-U God; Dopium 3/5
-Killah Priest; i Killed The Devil Last Night; 3/5
-Wu Tang Clan; Chamber Music 3/5
-Kool Keith; Tashan Dorrset 2.5/5
-Kool Keith; Present Project X 2.5/5
-Trife Diesel; Better Late Than Never 3/5
-Smif N Wessun; Welcome To Bucktown; 3/5
-Screwball; Blaq Out; 3/5
-Reks; More Grey Hairs 3/5
-Poison Pen; The Money Shot 2.5/5
-Nine; Quinine; 3/5
-Mobb Deep; The Safe Is Cracked; 3/5
-MF Doom; Born Like This; 3/5
-Method Man And Redman; Blackout! 2; 3/5
-Marco Polo & Torae; Double Barrel 3/5
-Maino; If Tomorrow Comes; 2.5/5
-M.O.P.; Searchin 4 Fame (Promo); 3/5
-Kenn Starr; It's Still Real...; 3/5
-Joe Budden; Padded Room; 3.5/5
-Jadakiss; The Last Kiss; 2.5/5
-Ja-Rule; The Mirror 2.5/5
-Hell Rell; Hell Up In The Bronx 3/5
-50 Cent; War Angel LP; 3/5
-50 Cent; Forever King; 2.5/5
-Frukwan-Sun Star; Greatness 3.5/5
-Fat Joe Jealous Ones Still Envy 2 (J.O.S.E. 2); 2/5
-Dub MD & Junclassic; Southside's Savior 3.5/5
-Dead Prez; Pulse Of The People (Turn Off The Radio Vol. 3); 3/5
-D-Block; No Security 2.5/5
-Chubb Rock & Wordsmith; Bridging The Gap 2.5/5
-Camp Lo; Stone And Rob: Caught On Tape 3/5
-Breez Evahflowin; Breez Deez Treez; 3/5
-Bathgate; Harlem Born Harlem Money 3/5
-Jay-Z Blueprint 3: 1.5/5
-Ghostface; 1.5/5
-KRS and Buckshot; 3.8/5
South;
-Willy Northpole; Tha Connect 2.5/5
-UGK; UGK 4 Life; 3.5/5
-Trae; The Diary 3/5
-Tha Realest; Witness Tha Realest; 3.5/5
-Stat Quo; The Invisible Man; 3/5
-Stat Quo; Checks & Balance 3.5/5
-Sol.illaquists Of Sound; No More Heroes 2.5/5
-Pastor Troy; Love Me Hate Me 1.5/5
-Mike Jones; The Voice 1.5/5
-Mddl Fngz; Smokin Wit Tha Enemy; 3/5
-Lord Infamous, T-Rock & II Tone; Blood Money 2/5
-Lil Keke; Seven-1-3 Vol. 2-Small Thangs To A Giant; 3/5
-Haystak; The Natural II; not available yet
-Gillie Da Kid; I Am Philly 1.5/5
-E.S.G; Digital Dope (The Reintroduction) 2/5
-Drake; Room For Improvement; 2.5/5
-Drake; Congratulations (The Prelude To Thank Me Later) 1.5/5
-Dorrough; Dorrough Music 1.5/5
-Cunninlynguists; Strange Journey Volume One 3/5
-Chamillionaire; Mixtape Messiah 7 3/5
-Big Mike; Serious As Can Be 3.5/5
-Archie Eversole; Back Like I Never Left 1.5/5
-Ace Hood; Ruthless 1.5/5
2008
Chad Vader's favorites so far in 2008;
4 out of 5 albums
-Scarface; Emeritus 4/5 Chad Vader's review of Scarface; Emeritus (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=202202.msg2044377#msg2044377)
-Young Maylays´s; The Real Coast Guard 4/5 Chad Vader's "The Real Coast Guard" review (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=185212.msg1929886#msg1929886)
-Devin The Dude; Smoke Sessions VOL 1. 4/5 Chad Vader´s Smoke Sessions review (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=201999.msg2042381#msg2042381)
-Devin The Dude; Hi Life 4/5 Chad Vader´s Hi Life review (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=201999.msg2042381#msg2042381)
-Mathmadix; The Mixtape 4/5 Chad Vader's "Mathmadix" review (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=181208.msg1858904#msg1858904)
-Khayree; iTunes instrumental albums 4/5 (not reviewed)
-6-2; Affiliated 4/5 Chad Vader's review of 6-2´s; Affiliated (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=144128.msg2054052#msg2054052)
3.5 out of 5 albums
-Paris' Acid Reflex 3.5/5 Chad Vader's; "Acid Reflex" review (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=189138.msg1947740#msg1947740)
-Bishop Lamont - The Confessional 3.5/5 Chad Vader's; "The Confessional" review (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=183424.msg1875791#msg1875791)
-8Ball and E.D.I; Doin' It Big 3.5/5 Chad Vader´s Doin' It Big review (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=177300.msg1828431#msg1828431)
-D-Loc of the Coughee Brothaz; The Struggle 3.5/5 (not reviewed)
-Nas; untitled 3.5/5 (not reviewed)
-Nas: Nigger Mixtape 3.5/5 (not reviewed) Better than the album :P
-LL Cool J; Exit 13 3.5/5 (not reviewed) There´s some weak cuts,but I got 10 out of 19 tracks from it on rotation... that´s alright.
-Kool Keith; Dr.Dooom 2 3.5/5 not reviewed Kept 10 cuts out of 15
-Ras Kass; Institutionalized Volume 2 3.5/5 not reviewed
-Big Steele; Kneel & Kiss The Pinky Ring 3.5/5 not reviewed
-Dubb Union; House Shoe Music 3.5/5 not reviewed
-Taje; presents Get It Gang 3.5/5 not reviewed
-Crooked I; The Block Obama Mixtape 3.5/5 not reviewed
-Hittman; Big Hitt Rising 3.5/5 Chad Vader´s review of Big Hitt Rising (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=159992.msg2040394#msg2040394)
3 out of 5 albums
-Erotic D; The Black Bruce Willis 3.7/5 Chad Vader´s Black Bruce Willis interview (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=144128.msg1988749#msg1988749)
-Cold187um; "Fresh Out The Pen" 3/5 Chad Vader's "Fresh Out The Pen" review (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=148792.msg1937490#msg1937490)
-RBX; Broken Silence 3/5 Chad Vader's "Broken Silence" review (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=189908.msg1939338#msg1939338)
-Ice Cube- Raw Footage 3/5 Chad Vader's "Raw Footage" review (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=205793.msg2095376#msg2095376)
-Big Rocc; Shack Tight Vol.1 3/5 Chad Vader´s "Shack Tight" review (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=189908.msg2017717#msg2017717)
-Squeak Ru - Fat World 3/5 Chad Vader's Fat World review (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=200969.msg2037658#msg2037658)
-Squeak Ru - Fat World 3/5 Chad Vader's Digital Fatworld review (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=200969.msg2037658#msg2037658)
-Ganksta Nip; Still Psycho 3/5 (not reviewed)
-K-Rino; The Other Side 3/5 (not reviewed)
-Focus (and Fokis); 20/20 EP 3/5 (not reviewed)
-Cory Mo; Still payin duez 3/5 (not reviewed)
-San Quinn; From A Boy To A Man; 3/5 Chad Vader´s From A Boy To A Man breakdown (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=201321.msg2037580#msg2037580)
-KURUPT & ROSCOE - The Frank & Jesse James Story 3/5 Chad Vader's review of The Frank & Jesse James Story (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=199529.msg2037758#msg2037758)
-Fed-X - The Mob Made Me Do It 3/5 (not reviewed)
-Devin The Dude; Landing Gear 3/5 Chad Vader´s Landing Gear review (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=201999.msg2042381#msg2042381)
-EPMD; We Mean Business 3/5 Chad Vader´s We Mean Business review (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=202492.msg2048427#msg2048427)
-Stat Quo; The Bailout 3/5 Chad Vader's The Bailout review (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=202755.msg2049555#msg2049555)
-Suga Free; Smell My Finger 3/5 (not reviewed)
-Haystack; Hard To Love 3/5 (not reviewed)
-Killer Mike; I Pledge Alligance To The Grind II 3/5 (not reviewed)
-Reks; Grey Hairs 3/5 (not reviewed)
-Yeuqran fka DA of Blac´ Monks; SuthunBrothaFrummAnothaPlanet 3/5 Chad Vader´s SuthunBrothaFrummAnothaPlanet review (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=82433.msg2100207#msg2100207)
Below average albums,that wont make my favorites list :-\ :P
-The Game; LAX (not reviewed)
-Bun B; 2 trill (not reviewed)
-Snoop Dogg; Ego Trippin (not reviewed)
-Daz; Only on the left side (not reviewed)
-CROOKED I - Block Obama II Chad Vader´s Block Obama review (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=199587.msg2033122#msg2033122)
-Tech N9ne: Killer (not reviewed) I kept only 9 out of 32 tracks :-\
-The Terrorists; Detonate The Landmines (not reviewed) I kept only 6 out of 18 tracks :-\
-Dubee_A.K.A_Sugawolf-Thizzmatic 1.5/5 Chad Vader's Thizzmatic review (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=173410.msg2035858#msg2035858)
-KRS-One's "Adventures In Emceein (not reviewed) I only liked 3 tracks :P
-E40; The Ball Street Journal 2/5 (not reviewed) I kept 4 out of 19 tracks :P :-\
Other than these albums 6-2/Genacide and One Gud Cide/Twisted Black has been getting heavy spins this year.
I probably forgot a album or two.... but I covered most didn't I? :P
it´s 2009,so it´s time to wrap up the year;
Best major album;
South;
-Scarface; Emeritus 4/5 Chad Vader's review of Scarface; Emeritus (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=202202.msg2044377#msg2044377)
West:
-Ice Cube- Raw Footage 3/5 Chad Vader's "Raw Footage" review (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=190835.msg1951513#msg1951513)
East:
-Nas; untitled 3.5/5 (not reviewed)
Best indie;
South;
-6-2; Affiliated 4/5 Chad Vader's review of 6-2´s; Affiliated (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=144128.msg2054052#msg2054052)
West;
-Paris' Acid Reflex 3.5/5 Chad Vader's; "Acid Reflex" review (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=189138.msg1947740#msg1947740)
East;
-Kool Keith; Dr.Dooom 2 3.5/5 not reviewed Kept 10 cuts out of 15
Best Street Album/Mix-tape
South;
-Devin The Dude; Smoke Sessions VOL 1. 4/5 Chad Vader's Smoke Sessions review (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=201999.msg2042381#msg2042381)
West;
-Young Malay's; The Real Coast Guard 4/5 Chad Vader's "The Real Coast Guard" review (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=185212.msg1929886#msg1929886)
East;
-Nas: Nigger Mixtape 3.5/5 (not reviewed)
Related thread;
Your Top 10 Albums Of All Time (2009 Edition) (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=207200.msg2094272#msg2094272)
Not even close. Half of that family tree isn't even gangstaer rap. I really don't want to make a list of the alternative underground scene.
I don't think I could actually. Its huge, way beyond what you realize.
If you made a family tree of freestyle fellowship and every act associated with them, it would probably be the same size as the N.W.A. tree.
Like I said before, the alternative underground scene is under most people's radar. These guys don't even promote their albums, they just drop them.
Just from looking at the list you posted I can see the majority of the west coast albums you listened to are gangstaer rap.
So how are you going to be talking about the size of the alternative rap scene?
You take a look again. The NWA/DPG family has released more,better and groundbreaking albums than the whole alternative scene alone ;).
Let's face it, this is pretty much a gangstaer rap forum.
If this is your main music forum, then almost all alternative releases are going to slip by you, unless its by someone like Del who more people know about.
Good looking out on the list. You didn't link to it in your previous post, you linked to some thread where you talked about 5 albums.
So looking at your list and only taking the west coast gangstaer rap albums, the highest you rated an album was 3.5?
That's not a very good look for 09.
Gangster;
-The Jacka Tear Gas; 3.5/5
-Taje; Hot Box 3; 3.5/5
-Omar Cruz; Hand of cruz; 3.5/5
-B-Real of Cypress Hill; Smoke N Mirrors; 3.5/5
Hip Hop;
-Rome; My Demo; 3.5/5
-Magnificent Ruffians; Elevated Ruffians; 4/5
-Soul assassins; 3.5/5
Alternative;
None so far
ohhh my god....
other than
-Black Eyed Peas,
-93 'Til Infinity (which really is Hip Hop, not alternative,but I wont bother to go there again with you again)
and
-I Wish My Brother George Was Here...
nothing from the alternative scene made it nationwide.
Even if we say that half of that tree ain't gangster rappers (which is correct Wink).
The remaining half has released more,better and groundbreaking albums than the alternative scene.
So it's huge,but none of them really makes any noise outside California.your point being? What does popularity have to do with quality?
So does the gangster rap scene... I'm pretty sure you haven't heard of over half of the albums I listed.I've heard of almost all of them. I've only gotten around to listening to about half of them though.
I never said size
But if you think I get my info and music from this message board,you're out of line.
I'm a critical fuck. Wink
Keep in mind that's just my opinion. + I still got over 100 more albums to go trough from 2009,so my 2009 list ain't complete.
I went trough my 2009 list and found two retail and two street gangster albums. Can you honestly say the same about 2009´s alternative albums?
Gangster;
-The Jacka Tear Gas; 3.5/5
-Taje; Hot Box 3; 3.5/5
-Omar Cruz; Hand of cruz; 3.5/5
-B-Real of Cypress Hill; Smoke N Mirrors; 3.5/5
Hip Hop;
-Rome; My Demo; 3.5/5
-Magnificent Ruffians; Elevated Ruffians; 4/5
-Soul assassins; 3.5/5
Alternative;
None so far
ohhh my god....
other than
-Black Eyed Peas,
-93 'Til Infinity (which really is Hip Hop, not alternative,but I wont bother to go there again with you again)
and
-I Wish My Brother George Was Here...
nothing from the alternative scene made it nationwide.
Even if we say that half of that tree ain't gangster rappers (which is correct ;) ).
The remaining half has released more,better and groundbreaking albums than the alternative scene.
You actually missed quite a lot of albums, such as the Pharcyde, Deltron 3030, Digital Underground. Isn't this getting off tangent though?
I don't see what making it nationwide has to do with anything we've discussed so far.
I said in the beginning that west coast gangster rap has enjoyed more popularity than west coast alternative rap. That's a fact.
If anything, the alternative scene is even better than it was in the 90s,
with the internet and indie alternative rappers being able to gain exposure outside of their local areas.
"The NWA/DPG family has released more,better and groundbreaking albums than the whole alternative scene alone"
None of the words "more", "better", or "groundbreaking" have anything to do with popularity.
Popularity has never had anything to do with quality.
In fact it would be my opinion that the most groundbreaking albums are underground, since they tend to be more experimental and creative.
The same goes for quality albums, especially in this day and age.
So it's huge,but none of them really makes any noise outside California.
your point being? What does popularity have to do with quality?
If anything, the alternative scene is even better than it was in the 90s,
with the internet and indie alternative rappers being able to gain exposure outside of their local areas.
So does the gangster rap scene... I'm pretty sure you haven't heard of over half of the albums I listed.
I've heard of almost all of them. I've only gotten around to listening to about half of them though.
I never said size
Yes you did.
"The NWA/DPG family has released more,better and groundbreaking albums than the whole alternative scene alone"
You clearly are talking about size here when you say the NWA family alone has released more albums than the entire alternative scene.
If you meant something else, its a grammatical error.
I get the feeling you're stubborn,just for the hell of it.
But if you think I get my info and music from this message board,you're out of line.
My bad. I get my info on west coast mixtape rappers from this board.
I'm a critical fuck. Wink
Keep in mind that's just my opinion. + I still got over 100 more albums to go trough from 2009,so my 2009 list ain't complete.
I went trough my 2009 list and found two retail and two street gangster albums.
Can you honestly say the same about 2009´s alternative albums?
Not quite sure what you're asking here. I think the alternative west coast rap scene has been more impressive than its gangster counterpart (hence my original post).
Gangster;
-The Jacka Tear Gas; 3.5/5
-Taje; Hot Box 3; 3.5/5
-Omar Cruz; Hand of cruz; 3.5/5
-B-Real of Cypress Hill; Smoke N Mirrors; 3.5/5
Hip Hop;
-Rome; My Demo; 3.5/5
-Magnificent Ruffians; Elevated Ruffians; 4/5
-Soul assassins; 3.5/5
Alternative;
None so far
Not surprising. How many of the albums on your list can actually be considered alternative?
-T-Kash Brains All Over The Streets; 3.5/5
-Del; Funk Man the stimulus package; 2.5/5
-The Conscious Daughters; The Nutcracker Suite; 2.5/5
-Souls in Chains; Rebellious of the Sunrise 2/5
-Inverse; So True EP; 3/5
-Hopsin: Haywire; 3.5/5
lol at "hip hop"
I got two from W.C. and the Jacka's last albums. I don't listen to anyone else from Mob Figaz. Really, you're going to include mixtapes? That's a sign in itself that west coast gangsta rap is suffering.LOL at that stupid statement.
QuoteI got two from W.C. and the Jacka's last albums. I don't listen to anyone else from Mob Figaz. Really, you're going to include mixtapes? That's a sign in itself that west coast gangsta rap is suffering.LOL at that stupid statement.
mixtapes are actually becoming more important, due to the fact that original production is being put on there nowadays
you might have brought up relevance, but I clearly stated that popularity isn't important.
I see you're OK again... :laugh:
Dude....I'm just rehashing what was said in thepreviousthread, as you were trying to say it was about something it wasn't.
Go back and look through it if you feel the need to. I never once brought up relevancy,
therefore the conversation can't originally have been about relevancy, now can it? :idea:
In fact it never was about relevancy. You were the one who brought up popularity,
and I told you then that it wasn't important to the discussion, as I was talking about who is currently releasing better music.
You'll argue about anything won't you?
I get the feeling you're stubborn,just for the hell of it.
Dude....I'm just rehashing what was said in thepreviousthread, as you were trying to say it was about something it wasn't.
Go back and look through it if you feel the need to. I never once brought up relevancy,
therefore the conversation can't originally have been about relevancy, now can it? :idea:
In fact it never was about relevancy. You were the one who brought up popularity,
and I told you then that it wasn't important to the discussion, as I was talking about who is currently releasing better music.
You'll argue about anything won't you?
-Too Short; Born to Mack,Life Is...Too Short & Get in Where You Fit In (more pimp,but then again Soul Of Mischief is Hip Hop,but not lets go there again)
-Too Short; Born to Mack,Life Is...Too Short & Get in Where You Fit In (more pimp,but then again Soul Of Mischief is Hip Hop,but not lets go there again)
I don't know why you're still on that tip about hip hop. I'm getting really confused here. Are you bullshitting or being serious? D-Nice said on that other thread that you were just bullshitting and messing around with me. And you didn't disagree. So why are you sticking to it?
your list is a crime.
-Jurassic 5?
-Freestyle fellowship?
-Haiku De'tat?
-Murs?
-Eligh and the Grouch?
-Living Legends?
-The Shape Shifters?
-Madlib?
-Stones Throw Records?
-Dilated Peoples?
-The Alkaholiks?
-Blackalicious?
-People Under the Stairs?
That's just the tip of the iceberg.
What's the point in discussing alternative hip hop if you are going to pretend most of the artists don't exist?
Now I have to assume one of two things;
-Either you are completely ignorant about the alternative hip hop scene,
-or you are talking about popularity again.
I believe its the latter, because you seem like a knowledgeable guy.
In which case, I'm simply going to point out again that this argument isn't about popularity, and refer you back to the post which you quoted.
Official reviews;
Mac Mall Illegal Business? review The Source Magazine No.53 Feb.1994
(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1145/1052389371_17bb6c8196_b.jpg)
The Source fucked up their rating :-X >:(
Rating fixed;
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3277/2833722061_270cc3399c_o.jpg)
Mac Mall Illegal Business? review The Bomb Magazine No.22 September.1993
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Any retard knows west coast gangster rap was more popular than west coast alternative. That isn't relevant to this discussion.
What was under discussion, is what scene is better.
And I firmly believe that the current west coast alternative scene is better than the gangster rap scene.
And that during the 90s, the alternative scene kept up the level of quality as its gangster rap counterpart, though obviously it was heard less.
Another thing. Do you actually consider consider all of Too Short's albums quality albums? Don't make me lol.
-Too Short; Born to Mack,Life Is...Too Short & Get in Where You Fit In
-Too Short; Born to Mack,Life Is...Too Short & Get in Where You Fit In (more pimp,but then again Soul Of Mischief is Hip Hop,but not lets go there again)
I don't know why you're still on that tip about hip hop.
I'm getting really confused here. Are you bullshitting or being serious?
D-Nice said on that other thread that you were just bullshitting and messing around with me.
And you didn't disagree. So why are you sticking to it?
your list is a crime.
-Jurassic 5?
-Freestyle fellowship?
-Haiku De'tat?
-Murs?
-Eligh and the Grouch?
-Living Legends?
-The Shape Shifters?
-Madlib?
-Stones Throw Records?
-Dilated Peoples?
-The Alkaholiks?
-Blackalicious?
-People Under the Stairs?
That's just the tip of the iceberg.
What's the point in discussing alternative hip hop if you are going to pretend most of the artists don't exist?
Now I have to assume one of two things;
-Either you are completely ignorant about the alternative hip hop scene,
-or you are talking about popularity again.
I believe its the latter, because you seem like a knowledgeable guy.
In which case, I'm simply going to point out again that this argument isn't about popularity, and refer you back to the post which you quoted.
OK.... I shouldn't really have to explain why I left those out. Or do I? :P
Most of the artists you mentioned is underground/lesser known artists and/or region favorites and/or personal favorites.
For every artist you mentioned there's a
"Mac Mall,Ray Luv,Seff The Gaffla,C-Bo etc....."
Nobody other than "us" really recognize them,if you know what I'm saying?
The artists and albums originally brought up is recognized coast to coast as bonafied classics.... no question about it.
So by bringing in underground/lesser known artists and/or region favorites and/or personal favorites is pointless.
Subjective opinions don't hold any value in this matter.
To put this in perspective for you,here's two reviews of the Bay area classic Mac Mall; Illegal Business.
One by San Fransisco based magazine "The Bomb" and one by NYC based based magazine "The Source" [/color]
Official reviews;
Mac Mall Illegal Business? review The Source Magazine No.53 Feb.1994
(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1145/1052389371_17bb6c8196_b.jpg)
The Source fucked up their rating :-X >:(
Rating fixed;
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3277/2833722061_270cc3399c_o.jpg)
Mac Mall Illegal Business? review The Bomb Magazine No.22 September.1993
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2321/1833302155_fe0cc96886_b.jpg)
Get the picture now?
I don't know why you're still on that tip about hip hop.
I'm getting really confused here. Are you bullshitting or being serious?
D-Nice said on that other thread that you were just bullshitting and messing around with me.
And you didn't disagree. So why are you sticking to it?
Both...
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Rappers such as Mac Mall, Ray Luv count as well. But in my opinion they aren't dropping albums worth picking up.
That Mac to the Future wasn't a good album to me.
I'd rather listen to the new Willie Isz.
Rappers such as Mac Mall, Ray Luv count as well. But in my opinion they aren't dropping albums worth picking up.
That Mac to the Future wasn't a good album to me.
I'd rather listen to the new Willie Isz.
the P . I . C . T . U . R . E
Related threads;
Mac Mall; Mac To The Future (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=227100.msg2418278#msg2418278)
+
Vader's Mac Mall discography breakdown; (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=193598.0)
But going against the grain is your thing ain't it?
Rappers such as Mac Mall, Ray Luv count as well. But in my opinion they aren't dropping albums worth picking up.
That Mac to the Future wasn't a good album to me.
I'd rather listen to the new Willie Isz.
the P . I . C . T . U . R . E
Related threads;
Mac Mall; Mac To The Future (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=227100.msg2418278#msg2418278)
+
Vader's Mac Mall discography breakdown; (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=193598.0)
But going against the grain is your thing ain't it?
Since when are you the grain? Check your ego at the door. Only two people even commented on the album. :D
I'm from the bay homie. Don't even try and tell me about Mac Mall. Thizz ain't what it is anymore.
(Most of) the artists you mentioned is underground/lesser known artists and/or region favorites and/or personal favorites.
underground/lesser known artists and/or region favorites and/or personal favorites.is pointless....
underground/lesser known artists and/or region favorites and/or personal favorites.is just what it is.
The Source's Five Mic Albums
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Source_(magazine)#The_Source.27s_Five_Mic_Albums
-N.W.A.; Straight Outta Compton
-The D.O.C; No One Can Do It Better
-Ice Cube; AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted
-Ice Cube; Death Certificate
-Dr. Dre; The Chronic
-Snoop Doggy Dogg; Doggystyle
-2Pac; All Eyez On Me
-Dr. Dre; Chronic 2001
indeed.Rappers such as Mac Mall, Ray Luv count as well. But in my opinion they aren't dropping albums worth picking up.
That Mac to the Future wasn't a good album to me.
I'd rather listen to the new Willie Isz.
the P . I . C . T . U . R . E
Related threads;
Mac Mall; Mac To The Future (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=227100.msg2418278#msg2418278)
+
Vader's Mac Mall discography breakdown; (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=193598.0)
But going against the grain is your thing ain't it?
You can't just leave good artists out because they aren't making a national impact. That doesn't make any sense. Take hip hop right now for example. A lot of people are saying hip hop sucks right now, which I disagree with. But according to your logic it would be true, since you aren't counting any of the underground rappers. And another thing. If you asked this forum if the south has the best hip hop scene, most people would disagree since a lot of people hate the south right now. But according to your logic it would be true, since they have the most popular rappers and are making the most impact. Do you get what I'm saying yet? So when I say one scene is better than another scene, popularity has nothing to do with it. Popularity means jack shit. Its not like these guys are myspace rappers. Any hip hop head worth his salt knows about Freestyle Fellowship. And you're trying to tell me they don't count towards one genre being better than another? That's crazy. Rappers such as Mac Mall, Ray Luv count as well. But in my opinion they aren't dropping albums worth picking up. That Mac to the Future wasn't a good album to me. I'd rather listen to the new Willie Isz.
Any retard knows west coast gangster rap was more popular than west coast alternative. That isn't relevant to this discussion.
What was under discussion, is what scene is better.
And I firmly believe that the current west coast alternative scene is better than the gangster rap scene.
You know what I will go halfway on you on this one. (That is if Hip Hop is included ;) :laugh:)