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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: QuietTruth on November 10, 2009, 09:50:25 AM
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I just got finished reading the Qu'ran, shit's a good book. Right in second to The Bible. Good piece of reading material.
It's funny though how everybody seems to get on Christianity and knock The Bible but it appears Islam and the Qu'ran never get's brought up. You know how, 'manipulating' and 'brain-washing' The Bible be, hahahaha, ain't nobody read the Qu'ran huh? Cuz boyyyyyyyy, that book is on another level of what Atheists call 'manipulation'. It's extremely more direct, especially, especially to non-believers. I mean Atheists seem very forward on discrediting and misquoting The Bible, when The Qu'ran has very strong feelings on Atheism! On ya'll. In a real way men.
The Qu'ran rejects Atheists completely. Hard too. Hard. But I don't see people jumping down them. Why? Is we non-believers a lil ignorant to it? :D
It's really thru-out the whole book but..for a quick-fast taste in just the second chapter..
2:7. Allah hath set a seal on their hearts and on their hearing, and on their eyes is a veil; great is the penalty they (incur).
2:10. In their hearts is a disease; and Allah has increased their disease: And grievous is the penalty they (incur), because they are false (to themselves).
2:39. "But those who reject Faith and belie Our Signs, they shall be companions of the Fire; they shall abide therein."
Atheism in The Bible is called an abomination which is obviously evidenttttttt but The Qu'ran talks about, Allah-willing, could and will take away one's sight, one's hearing, make one deaf dumb and blind and will have one burning in hell for denying God. Now, ya'll wanna talk about The Bible and fear? Hmm? Ya'll wanna talk about The Bible and brain washing?
Why? Cuz ya'll think pissing off Christians is fun? Man, yo, think about what Muslims opinions of Atheists are? Why us? Lol. Is it just the ignorance to The Qu'ran? But really why fucks wit just us? Atheistm gotta reject ev'rythang, wordddddd?
I don't know.
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There's more atheists living in Christian environments than in Islamic environments. Plus, if you piss your regular western Christian off, nothing will happen. If you piss a Muslim off, you might be dead soon, or at least get into some kind of inconvienient trouble.
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Because they don't want their head chopped off by some crazy fucking arabs.
Also, people face Christianity every day in western society.
For the record I'm not an atheist, I just don't believe in any religion.
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There's more atheists living in Christian environments than in Islamic environments. Plus, if you piss your regular western Christian off, nothing will happen. If you piss a Muslim off, you might be dead soon, or at least get into some kind of inconvienient trouble.
This
Damn, muslims are crazy
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Cause if they were to get on a Muslim they'd be dead, that shit is serious.
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Real talk, Atheists have a better chance of gettin' hurt by a muslim behind debatin' and talkin shit. The Bible tells christians to love thy enemies because ur not accomplishing anything by loving someone who already loves u therefore those who really take those words to heart won't do any harm to those who offends them.
Personally, if you don't believe in any god then you should speak on islam, too. Islam, Christianity and hinduism are common religions in Los Angeles yet non believers still chose to talk about christianity.
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Assamalakum.
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Your guys response make Athiests seem bitch-made. Picking on the religon that poses the least amount of threat to them. Why don't you just call shit like you see it. :oi:
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Allah Akbar!
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the thing is most atheists were born in a christian enviroment or area and their westerners (i.e. US, ur family, etc etc)
im sure majority of atheists were at one point christian because of their parents or some other factor and hav been to sunday school, etc etc.
its most likely because most of the athiests were ex christians and dont know shit about islam.
the notion that atheist dont speak on muslims cuz they might bust a "crazy" or their scared of them is absurd. rofl their humans man, they die too.
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the thing is most atheists were born in a christian enviroment or area and their westerners (i.e. US, ur family, etc etc)
im sure majority of atheists were at one point christian because of their parents or some other factor and hav been to sunday school, etc etc.
its most likely because most of the athiests were ex christians and dont know shit about islam.
the notion that atheist dont speak on muslims cuz they might bust a "crazy" or their scared of them is absurd. rofl their humans man, they die too.
Sadaam and Hitler were humans, too. Atheists know how to do research on everything else including the Bible in order to debate against christians so they can also research Islam which a huge religion. I agree with everything else you said because I don't recall ever debating with an atheists who didn't come from a christian background.
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the thing is most atheists were born in a christian enviroment or area and their westerners (i.e. US, ur family, etc etc)
im sure majority of atheists were at one point christian because of their parents or some other factor and hav been to sunday school, etc etc.
its most likely because most of the athiests were ex christians and dont know shit about islam.
the notion that atheist dont speak on muslims cuz they might bust a "crazy" or their scared of them is absurd. rofl their humans man, they die too.
Co-sign, you guys are overexaggerating. I seriously doubt you will get beaten/killed if you speak against islam when you live in a christian country lol.
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the thing is most atheists were born in a christian enviroment or area and their westerners (i.e. US, ur family, etc etc)
im sure majority of atheists were at one point christian because of their parents or some other factor and hav been to sunday school, etc etc.
its most likely because most of the athiests were ex christians and dont know shit about islam.
the notion that atheist dont speak on muslims cuz they might bust a "crazy" or their scared of them is absurd. rofl their humans man, they die too.
Sadaam and Hitler were humans, too. Atheists know how to do research on everything else including the Bible in order to debate against christians so they can also research Islam which a huge religion. I agree with everything else you said because I don't recall ever debating with an atheists who didn't come from a christian background.
yea they can research on islam, but if they prove christianity as incorrect and nothing more than a fairy tale than its pretty much knocking out 3 birds with one stone. and these athiest research what their more familiar with.
the thing is atheists who come from a muslim back ground are rare, beause islam is more consistent in third world countries, where religion is a vital part of society and a way of life. and in third world countries their more religious regardless of which one it is and if u publicly claim ur an athiest u'd probaly get killed.
but i dont get why u mentions sadaam or hitler.
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LOL @ the notion of Christians being harmless, but Muslims are dangerous.
Looney broke it down perfectly. Simply put, most nonbelievers live in a western society. So what is the most dominant religion in that part of the world?
Besides, other religious groups such as muslims, jews, buddhists, etc. are not hell bent on converting you like christians are. That may be another reason why christians seem to get the brunt of punishment.
LOL @ christians being peaceful and harmless. Best thing I heard all day.
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LOL @ the notion of Christians being harmless, but Muslims are dangerous.
Looney broke it down perfectly. Simply put, most nonbelievers live in a western society. So what is the most dominant religion in that part of the world?
Besides, other religious groups such as muslims, jews, buddhists, etc. are not hell bent on converting you like christians are. That may be another reason why christians seem to get the brunt of punishment.
LOL @ christians being peaceful and harmless. Best thing I heard all day.
Who said that shit?
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LOL @ the notion of Christians being harmless, but Muslims are dangerous.
Looney broke it down perfectly. Simply put, most nonbelievers live in a western society. So what is the most dominant religion in that part of the world?
Besides, other religious groups such as muslims, jews, buddhists, etc. are not hell bent on converting you like christians are. That may be another reason why christians seem to get the brunt of punishment.
LOL @ christians being peaceful and harmless. Best thing I heard all day.
Who said that shit?
it was basically said, when ppl said that u can debate with christians because they dont doo shit and their harmless but u cant do it to a muslim because theyll suicide bomb their ass.
i mean obviously they were somewhat joking. but cmon now its the tot section
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Lol. ;D Nah.
But not all Muslims are Arabs ready to throw bombs. Albanians, a big majority of them are Muslim, and the older folks are peaceful people. The ones out here in America. It's not like they crazy. They prolly just have a crazy ass view on Atheism. And those people faithful followers too and their religion don't seem to get spoken out against. I don't ever hear how The Qu'ran is just some book written by some man. How it contradicts itself 16,000 times. Etc. Ya know.
But trueeee, if they wasn't born around it. That's more the ignorance, I guessed word? I don't know. BUT once you make a decision to deny a God completely you should realize The Bible is not the only piece of religious materiel to deny.
I'm just thinkin', Atheist's seem to get offended at Christianity and The Bible, but The Qu'ran has so much stronger opinions on Atheism, I'd figure.. Ya know what I'm sayin'?
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There's more atheists living in Christian environments than in Islamic environments.
This is true.
Plus I think people associate hypocrisy with Christianity more then other religions. I know for me personally, I dont feel like Muslims hide their extemism as much as Christians do.
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There's more atheists living in Christian environments than in Islamic environments.
This is true.
Plus I think people associate hypocrisy with Christianity more then other religions. I know for me personally, I dont feel like Muslims hide their extemism as much as Christians do.
they do that because christianity is exploited alot more and cuz of that it gives a notion like we're westerners and we're christian (the majority) and we're better
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Lol. ;D Nah.
But not all Muslims are Arabs ready to throw bombs. Albanians, a big majority of them are Muslim, and the older folks are peaceful people. The ones out here in America. It's not like they crazy. They prolly just have a crazy ass view on Atheism. And those people faithful followers too and their religion don't seem to get spoken out against. I don't ever hear how The Qu'ran is just some book written by some man. How it contradicts itself 16,000 times. Etc. Ya know.
But trueeee, if they wasn't born around it. That's more the ignorance, I guessed word? I don't know. BUT once you make a decision to deny a God completely you should realize The Bible is not the only piece of religious materiel to deny.
I'm just thinkin', Atheist's seem to get offended at Christianity and The Bible, but The Qu'ran has so much stronger opinions on Atheism, I'd figure.. Ya know what I'm sayin'?
The belief from Muslims about the Quran is that it wasn't written by a man (Muhammad), but rather the verses were revealed to him from God through Gabriel. And it was Muhammad's son-in-law Ali (4th Caliph according to a majority of Islam, but 1st according to the Shias) who compiled the verses in the order that we find it today after the death of Muhammad.
Also, the Quran hasn't been changed like the Bible has throughout time...it's remained constant. As well, its pretty hard to translate the Quran from the Arabic used into English because one word can have various meanings. In order to understand the meanings properly, you'd have to get those Qurans that go more into depth about the translation and are more thorough.
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Also, the Quran hasn't been changed like the Bible has throughout time...it's remained constant.
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Lol. ;D Nah.
But not all Muslims are Arabs ready to throw bombs. Albanians, a big majority of them are Muslim, and the older folks are peaceful people. The ones out here in America. It's not like they crazy. They prolly just have a crazy ass view on Atheism. And those people faithful followers too and their religion don't seem to get spoken out against. I don't ever hear how The Qu'ran is just some book written by some man. How it contradicts itself 16,000 times. Etc. Ya know.
But trueeee, if they wasn't born around it. That's more the ignorance, I guessed word? I don't know. BUT once you make a decision to deny a God completely you should realize The Bible is not the only piece of religious materiel to deny.
I'm just thinkin', Atheist's seem to get offended at Christianity and The Bible, but The Qu'ran has so much stronger opinions on Atheism, I'd figure.. Ya know what I'm sayin'?
The belief from Muslims about the Quran is that it wasn't written by a man (Muhammad), but rather the verses were revealed to him from God through Gabriel. And it was Muhammad's son-in-law Ali (4th Caliph according to a majority of Islam, but 1st according to the Shias) who compiled the verses in the order that we find it today after the death of Muhammad.
Also, the Quran hasn't been changed like the Bible has throughout time...it's remained constant. As well, its pretty hard to translate the Quran from the Arabic used into English because one word can have various meanings. In order to understand the meanings properly, you'd have to get those Qurans that go more into depth about the translation and are more thorough.
important point
quran is no longer quran when u translate it, have to find a quran with explanations (called tafsir) and some translations are just weird ::)
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What exactly are you guys smoking, claiming that Christians are just about as aggressive as Muslims when someone disses their religion? You cannot be serious.
Weren't there people willing to kill a teacher who called a teddybear Mohammed? Or entire cities protesting because some dude from Denmark made comics making fun of Islam? Cartoonists in western countries make fun of Jesus all day and nothing happens.
If I remember correctly some dude from the Netherlands was also killed for saying what he thought about Islam publicly.
Let's be serious, please.
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LOL @ christians being peaceful and harmless. Best thing I heard all day.
quoted for truth and comedic value
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What exactly are you guys smoking, claiming that Christians are just about as aggressive as Muslims when someone disses their religion? You cannot be serious.
Weren't there people willing to kill a teacher who called a teddybear Mohammed? Or entire cities protesting because some dude from Denmark made comics making fun of Islam? Cartoonists in western countries make fun of Jesus all day and nothing happens.
If I remember correctly some dude from the Netherlands was also killed for saying what he thought about Islam publicly.
Let's be serious, please.
the thing is, the anaology u can compare the making fun of islam and chrisanity is kinda how like american whites and american white media cant make fun of black people. if a white guy started making fun of black people publicly even though he was a comedian or such saying "porch monkeys" etc etc theer would be protests and death threats. its pretty much a double standard, also like how women want to be equal but in reality, we cant make harsh jokes about them, we cant hit them, we have to pay for pretty much all their shit,
theres protest and death threats because the believers of islam are discriminated against and some what persecuted because of the general image most people see as them (terrorists, suicuide bombs) and lets not forget dumb kids or thugs that are muslim that would do it, its the same shit as gangbangin pretty much nothing more diffferent and im sure its the young dumb kids or adults do commit those crimes.
the reason whole countries or regions go in uproar is because of an individuals personal gain, or simply because the general population isnt educated enough to use rational thinking.
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Like others have already said, it's because of circumstances. Generally speaking though, Atheists aren't interested in dissecting the differences between Judaism, Christianity, Islam, etc. Point blank, if you follow any form of Theism, then you're all lumped into the same category in their eyes.
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Like others have already said, it's because of circumstances. Generally speaking though, Atheists aren't interested in dissecting the differences between Judaism, Christianity, Islam, etc. Point blank, if you follow any form of Theism, then you're all lumped into the same category in their eyes.
Except with those who have a vendetta against christianity. They can be just as bad as christians.
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Like others have already said, it's because of circumstances. Generally speaking though, Atheists aren't interested in dissecting the differences between Judaism, Christianity, Islam, etc. Point blank, if you follow any form of Theism, then you're all lumped into the same category in their eyes.
Except with those who have a vendetta against christianity. They can be just as bad as christians.
yea, its pretty retarded, basically those idiots are making atheism a religion, because they firmly believe that there is no god.
but really i believe atheism is basically labeling yourself as " i dont know, but i dont believe in religions" but i wouldnt go as far as to say im right and christians or buddhits or muslims are wrong.
because simply nothing can be proven to resolve this argument.
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Yeah, fuck those idiots that go out of their way to have the word god taken out of shit or the 10 commandments removed from places and shit like that.
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Yeah, fuck those idiots that go out of their way to have the word god taken out of shit or the 10 commandments removed from places and shit like that.
yea, i dont agree with that, even though id lost faith, i still dont think its reasonable to take the 10 commandments out or u cant say in god we trust in the pledge of allegaence, because its part of US history, the US was found a christian nation and without the religious movements and ideals like manifest destiny and the great awakenings and such, i doubt america would be what is today.
manifest destiny was based on that it was gods plan that we spread westwards so we USA has both coasts. the thing is its mostly muslims, buddhists, atheists, and other people of that nature that complain, im gessing its from the fact that they think its wrong because theyd ont have scripture of koran (or wtvr) at city halls or courts. but the thing is, these idiots dont understand their religion wasnt relevant to US history. they think probaly think the government is being hypocritical. it was pretty funny when i saw an article about a muslim woman sueing the city because of the 10 commandments infront of the city hall.
i mean bitch, go back to your homeland and im sure that shit would be last thing u'd be complaining about.
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Like others have already said, it's because of circumstances. Generally speaking though, Atheists aren't interested in dissecting the differences between Judaism, Christianity, Islam, etc. Point blank, if you follow any form of Theism, then you're all lumped into the same category in their eyes.
Except with those who have a vendetta against christianity. They can be just as bad as christians.
Of course there is always an exception to the rule, which is why I said "generally speaking" but you do make a valid point nonetheless.
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Yeah, fuck those idiots that go out of their way to have the word god taken out of shit or the 10 commandments removed from places and shit like that.
Im not gonna go out of my way. But yeah, I do think the word "god" shouldnt be associated with anything related to government. It shouldnt be in school, shouldnt be on our money. No more then it shoould say "In No God We Trust"
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I just got finished reading the Qu'ran, shit's a good book. Right in second to The Bible. Good piece of reading material.
It's funny though how everybody seems to get on Christianity and knock The Bible but it appears Islam and the Qu'ran never get's brought up. You know how, 'manipulating' and 'brain-washing' The Bible be, hahahaha, ain't nobody read the Qu'ran huh? Cuz boyyyyyyyy, that book is on another level of what Atheists call 'manipulation'. It's extremely more direct, especially, especially to non-believers. I mean Atheists seem very forward on discrediting and misquoting The Bible, when The Qu'ran has very strong feelings on Atheism! On ya'll. In a real way men.
The Qu'ran rejects Atheists completely. Hard too. Hard. But I don't see people jumping down them. Why? Is we non-believers a lil ignorant to it? :D
It's really thru-out the whole book but..for a quick-fast taste in just the second chapter..
2:7. Allah hath set a seal on their hearts and on their hearing, and on their eyes is a veil; great is the penalty they (incur).
2:10. In their hearts is a disease; and Allah has increased their disease: And grievous is the penalty they (incur), because they are false (to themselves).
2:39. "But those who reject Faith and belie Our Signs, they shall be companions of the Fire; they shall abide therein."
Atheism in The Bible is called an abomination which is obviously evidenttttttt but The Qu'ran talks about, Allah-willing, could and will take away one's sight, one's hearing, make one deaf dumb and blind and will have one burning in hell for denying God. Now, ya'll wanna talk about The Bible and fear? Hmm? Ya'll wanna talk about The Bible and brain washing?
Why? Cuz ya'll think pissing off Christians is fun? Man, yo, think about what Muslims opinions of Atheists are? Why us? Lol. Is it just the ignorance to The Qu'ran? But really why fucks wit just us? Atheistm gotta reject ev'rythang, wordddddd?
I don't know.
What if "they" isn't the atheists you envision the qu'ran is talking about? atheism is a very ambiguous word, and so is faith. I seem to think you believe atheists are people that don't believe in "God" but God is also ambiguous, probably the most ambiguous term in language. What I believe the qu'ran is talking about in those excerpts is that those who don't have faith will suffer the consequences. Those consequences are felt in real life, one way or the other.
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What exactly are you guys smoking, claiming that Christians are just about as aggressive as Muslims when someone disses their religion? You cannot be serious.
Weren't there people willing to kill a teacher who called a teddybear Mohammed? Or entire cities protesting because some dude from Denmark made comics making fun of Islam? Cartoonists in western countries make fun of Jesus all day and nothing happens.
If I remember correctly some dude from the Netherlands was also killed for saying what he thought about Islam publicly.
Let's be serious, please.
Well to be fair there is more poverty in Islamic nations than there are in Christian nations(based on real GDP no ghettos) which unites people and sometimes calls for revolutionary acts. Religion has nothing to do with how people treat each other.
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Yeah, fuck those idiots that go out of their way to have the word god taken out of shit or the 10 commandments removed from places and shit like that.
Im not gonna go out of my way. But yeah, I do think the word "god" shouldnt be associated with anything related to government. It shouldnt be in school, shouldnt be on our money. No more then it shoould say "In No God We Trust"
It's been on money forever though. Besides, it keeps the hopelessly faithful content that god will bless their money or some stupid shit. It's better to keep them happy so they don't start blowing up the federal reserve like they did with abortion clinics.
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I don't see why people would think atheists are highly critical of faith. Usually its just religious spin-doctors trying to hype it as if atheists are attacking their faith because of course having a common enemy or battle creates a common identity that most religious adherents are in the business of fostering. Think about it: how active, vocal and visible is atheism really? Since when have you seen an atheist on the street handing out brochures or knocking at your door trying to pass off literature?
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I don't see why people would think atheists are highly critical of faith. Usually its just religious spin-doctors trying to hype it as if atheists are attacking their faith because of course having a common enemy or battle creates a common identity that most religious adherents are in the business of fostering. Think about it: how active, vocal and visible is atheism really? Since when have you seen an atheist on the street handing out brochures or knocking at your door trying to pass off literature?
what kind of faith do atheists have? like, what do they believe in
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Like others have already said, it's because of circumstances. Generally speaking though, Atheists aren't interested in dissecting the differences between Judaism, Christianity, Islam, etc. Point blank, if you follow any form of Theism, then you're all lumped into the same category in their eyes.
Except with those who have a vendetta against christianity. They can be just as bad as christians.
yea, its pretty retarded, basically those idiots are making atheism a religion, because they firmly believe that there is no god.
but really i believe atheism is basically labeling yourself as " i dont know, but i dont believe in religions" but i wouldnt go as far as to say im right and christians or buddhits or muslims are wrong.
because simply nothing can be proven to resolve this argument.
Seriously, I've been tellin' believers and non believers for the longest that they can't prove jack shit to each other so just cut the crap and have a tea party because it's just a waste of time to keep debating.
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I don't see why people would think atheists are highly critical of faith. Usually its just religious spin-doctors trying to hype it as if atheists are attacking their faith because of course having a common enemy or battle creates a common identity that most religious adherents are in the business of fostering. Think about it: how active, vocal and visible is atheism really? Since when have you seen an atheist on the street handing out brochures or knocking at your door trying to pass off literature?
Like Sik pointed out earlier, there are a few atheists who love creating controversy, ie. 10 Commandments statue @ Courthouses, Pledge Of Allegiance, etc.
At the same time, you have a point in that it isn't as prevalent. But the few atheists that like to ruffle theism's feathers are just as hardcore about it as the bible thumpers arguing otherwise.
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Yeah, fuck those idiots that go out of their way to have the word god taken out of shit or the 10 commandments removed from places and shit like that.
Im not gonna go out of my way. But yeah, I do think the word "god" shouldnt be associated with anything related to government. It shouldnt be in school, shouldnt be on our money. No more then it shoould say "In No God We Trust"
It's been on money forever though. Besides, it keeps the hopelessly faithful content that god will bless their money or some stupid shit. It's better to keep them happy so they don't start blowing up the federal reserve like they did with abortion clinics.
People wanted to keep seperate bathrooms for "White" and "Colored" people because it had "been that way forever" too tho. Thats no reason to keep things the way they are. Now, if having In God We Trust on our money ensures that more deeply religious people will continue to be scammed out of there hard earned money.....well....I guess Im all for it then. lol
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Yeah, fuck those idiots that go out of their way to have the word god taken out of shit or the 10 commandments removed from places and shit like that.
Im not gonna go out of my way. But yeah, I do think the word "god" shouldnt be associated with anything related to government. It shouldnt be in school, shouldnt be on our money. No more then it shoould say "In No God We Trust"
It's been on money forever though. Besides, it keeps the hopelessly faithful content that god will bless their money or some stupid shit. It's better to keep them happy so they don't start blowing up the federal reserve like they did with abortion clinics.
People wanted to keep seperate bathrooms for "White" and "Colored" people because it had "been that way forever" too tho. Thats no reason to keep things the way they are. Now, if having In God We Trust on our money ensures that more deeply religious people will continue to be scammed out of there hard earned money.....well....I guess Im all for it then. lol
I'll give that a "Amen".
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what kind of faith do atheists have? like, what do they believe in
Man up and google that shit son.
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what kind of faith do atheists have? like, what do they believe in
Man up and google that shit son.
.... youre a fucking idiot nevermind
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I don't see any affect on having God printed on the back of money, really. Like them types of Atheists removing The Bill of Rights outta classrooms. Having a fit about a manger shown in public places for Christmas. I don't get it. If they where hangin' 'Be Christian or Die' signs thats somethang different. But this shit is like public Halloween, 4th of July or Easter decorations, fuckin' pointless. Are The British gonna try and remove our celebration of Independence day? Like removing 'faith based' historical documents outta fuckin' schools. IT'S HISTORY. If we ain't TAKING AWAY your rights, don't take away ours. The term God should not be violating. It should be fuckin' uplifting. If we wanna get comparing, wit all the morals, fable stories and fairytales, God is love. It teaches children positivity. People shouldn't be bitter bout it. Italians don't believe in leprechauns, but they don't flip out when they see that word everywhere. Why God get so much hate? :D God suppose to illustrate love, like Santa illustrate good behavior. Deny him, I don't how, but if ya do fine, but why be mad bout it or offended?
What if "they" isn't the atheists you envision the qu'ran is talking about? atheism is a very ambiguous word, and so is faith. I seem to think you believe atheists are people that don't believe in "God" but God is also ambiguous, probably the most ambiguous term in language. What I believe the qu'ran is talking about in those excerpts is that those who don't have faith will suffer the consequences. Those consequences are felt in real life, one way or the other.
Wait, what? People who don't have faith, are Atheists, word? Non-believers? All the same ish.
3:4. Then those who reject Faith in the Signs of Allah will suffer the severest penalty, and Allah is Exalted in Might, Lord of Retribution.
4:167. Those who reject Faith and keep off (men) from the way of Allah, have verily strayed far, far away from the Path.
4:168. Those who reject Faith and do wrong,- Allah will not forgive them nor guide them to any way-
5:5. This day are (all) things good and pure made lawful unto you. The food of the People of the Book is lawful unto you and yours is lawful unto them. (Lawful unto you in marriage) are (not only) chaste women who are believers, but chaste women among the People of the Book, revealed before your time,- when ye give them their due dowers, and desire chastity, not lewdness, nor secret intrigues if any one rejects faith, fruitless is his work, and in the Hereafter he will be in the ranks of those who have lost (all spiritual good).
3:179. Allah will not leave the believers in the state in which ye are now, until He separates what is evil from what is good nor will He disclose to you the secrets of the Unseen. But He chooses of His Messenger. (For the purpose) whom He pleases. So believe in Allah. And His apostles: And if ye believe and do right, ye have a reward without measure.
Look at the 'manipulation'. More so, more direct than The Bible. You are promised rewards beyond measure for being faithful. It's like this thru-out the whole book. The rewards and deeds. This should get Atheists wet. :D ;D :P
5:2. O ye who believe! Violate not the sanctity of the symbols of Allah, nor of the sacred month, nor of the animals brought for sacrifice, nor the garlands that mark out such animals, nor the people resorting to the sacred house, seeking of the bounty and good pleasure of their Lord. But when ye are clear of the sacred precincts and of pilgrim garb, ye may hunt and let not the hatred of some people in (once) shutting you out of the Sacred Mosque lead you to transgression (and hostility on your part). Help ye one another in righteousness and piety, but help ye not one another in sin and rancour: fear Allah. for Allah is strict in punishment
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what do you consider faith quietruth? faith as in a belief in God?
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Si homie.
Faith - The theological virtue defined as secure belief in God and a trusting acceptance of God's will.
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Si homie.
Faith - The theological virtue defined as secure belief in God and a trusting acceptance of God's will.
that's just one lexical definition. What if one believed that god and life is so complex that not even a book is enough to guide you. to me faith is the belief that you will truly achieve happiness one day.. and a true happy person is someone who is highly moral. Would God punish that person?
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what kind of faith do atheists have? like, what do they believe in
Man up and google that shit son.
.... youre a fucking idiot nevermind
Huh? Why so emotional?
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not emotional just disrespected because you wouldn't answer my question. But if you really think I don't know what an atheist is, than yes you are an idiot
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Si homie.
Faith - The theological virtue defined as secure belief in God and a trusting acceptance of God's will.
that's just one lexical definition. What if one believed that god and life is so complex that not even a book is enough to guide you. to me faith is the belief that you will truly achieve happiness one day.. and a true happy person is someone who is highly moral. Would God punish that person?
Yeah but the quotes from The Qu'ran on Faith clearly mean God to me.
For example..
reject Faith in the Signs of Allah
Don't that sound like it means signs of a God. Proof of an existing God. God has sent signs to the Earth for us to believe in him. And if you have no faith in that...
I see what you mean about what Faith means though. In different contexts it means different thangs.
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Si homie.
Faith - The theological virtue defined as secure belief in God and a trusting acceptance of God's will.
that's just one lexical definition. What if one believed that god and life is so complex that not even a book is enough to guide you. to me faith is the belief that you will truly achieve happiness one day.. and a true happy person is someone who is highly moral. Would God punish that person?
Yeah but the quotes from The Qu'ran on Faith clearly mean God to me.
For example..
reject Faith in the Signs of Allah
Don't that sound like it means signs of a God. Proof of an existing God. God has sent signs to the Earth for us to believe in him. And if you have no faith in that...
I see what you mean about what Faith means though. In different contexts it means different thangs.
It clearly means God to you because of your faith, but like I said earlier God could mean so many things.. in that context it could mean "the right way to live in order to be happy"
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Yeah, fuck those idiots that go out of their way to have the word god taken out of shit or the 10 commandments removed from places and shit like that.
Im not gonna go out of my way. But yeah, I do think the word "god" shouldnt be associated with anything related to government. It shouldnt be in school, shouldnt be on our money. No more then it shoould say "In No God We Trust"
That's a tricky one for me. I've read up on separation of Church and State over the years and it's pretty clear to me that it was never set up to make sure people don't impose their values on others based on their beliefs, otherwise nothing would get accomplished. Every law is someone imposing their values on others based on beliefs. Just because Christianity isn't involved doesn't make it any different. What's the difference between someone saying abortion should be banned because a fetus is life and has a soul, and saying abortion should be legal because woman has the right to choose what happens to their bodies and a fetus doesn't have a soul, or souls aren't real?
The issue with Church and State and separating them was brought up on the basis that State cannot set up a Church, and in a lesser stance the Church cannot control the state. I say in a lesser stance because at the time of the US inception there was no Catholic Church running the show like it was in Europe, but there was a Great Britain running the Church and the founders of the US wanted to steer clear of that. They wanted the churches to be able to run themselves, and have many different churches rather than one National Church, like in England.
None of this has anything to do with kids in a school praying to God. If you don't believe in it then don't pray, and you should have the right not to pray. But you should not have the right to say the majority of kids cannot pray in my presence because I'm not Christian. Your freedoms are not being taken away by sitting quiet while the class prays, or saying nothing as the class says God in a pledge.
You could argue the odd child out would be ridiculed for the lack of participation, but that's bullshit. You either fake it or suffer the consequences of being different. I could be a parent that thinks recycling is sham, global warming is a sick twisted lie, income tax is unnecessary, trade-unions shouldn't exist. Everyone one of these ideas are denounced by the public schools and the very opposite is adopted. I could teach my son to adhere to all of my theories and I still have the right to send him to school. And then I'd have a choice to make. I'd either tell him to shut his mouth and go along with what the school tells him to do but not believe in it, or tell him to speak up and instruct the teacher that my son is not to participate in activities that go against my wishes, so long as there is an alternative to him not participating. I personally would choose the former, just to not make a scene, but at home I'd teach him otherwise and explain why I'm right and there wrong.
If I moved to Kuwait and every school was Muslim and the girls wore hijabs and kids prayed 5 times a day I'd tell my kids to fake it and not stand out but to understand that they are not Muslim. If that causes them to convert to Islam then I'm not really doing a good job of being a parent or a Christian, because the public school system is never and should never be as influential as the home. And when it is it is the home that is at fault.
In short, if a country like the US filled with Christians wants to admire God publicly, in state buildings and schools, they have the right to, so long as they don't govern the churches or allow the churches to govern them. The difference between the State and the Church is the State can kick you out of the State but not out of the Church and the Church can kick you out of the Church but not out of the State. The State cannot till the Church how to pray and the Church cannot tell the State how to govern. The People can however choose to be governed according to their beliefs by voting as such and if the majority votes as such then that is not a matter of the Church joining the State. They are still separate entities in those cases.
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Si homie.
Faith - The theological virtue defined as secure belief in God and a trusting acceptance of God's will.
that's just one lexical definition. What if one believed that god and life is so complex that not even a book is enough to guide you. to me faith is the belief that you will truly achieve happiness one day.. and a true happy person is someone who is highly moral. Would God punish that person?
Yeah but the quotes from The Qu'ran on Faith clearly mean God to me.
For example..
reject Faith in the Signs of Allah
Don't that sound like it means signs of a God. Proof of an existing God. God has sent signs to the Earth for us to believe in him. And if you have no faith in that...
I see what you mean about what Faith means though. In different contexts it means different thangs.
It clearly means God to you because of your faith, but like I said earlier God could mean so many things.. in that context it could mean "the right way to live in order to be happy"
Yeah, excatly, but in the context of how it's worded, faith = belief in Allah.
5:57. O ye who believe! take not for friends and protectors those who take your religion for a mockery or sport,- whether among those who received the Scripture before you, or among those who reject Faith; but fear ye Allah, if ye have faith (indeed).
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Yeah, fuck those idiots that go out of their way to have the word god taken out of shit or the 10 commandments removed from places and shit like that.
Im not gonna go out of my way. But yeah, I do think the word "god" shouldnt be associated with anything related to government. It shouldnt be in school, shouldnt be on our money. No more then it shoould say "In No God We Trust"
That's a tricky one for me. I've read up on separation of Church and State over the years and it's pretty clear to me that it was never set up to make sure people don't impose their values on others based on their beliefs, otherwise nothing would get accomplished. Every law is someone imposing their values on others based on beliefs. Just because Christianity isn't involved doesn't make it any different. What's the difference between someone saying abortion should be banned because a fetus is life and has a soul, and saying abortion should be legal because woman has the right to choose what happens to their bodies and a fetus doesn't have a soul, or souls aren't real?
The issue with Church and State and separating them was brought up on the basis that State cannot set up a Church, and in a lesser stance the Church cannot control the state. I say in a lesser stance because at the time of the US inception there was no Catholic Church running the show like it was in Europe, but there was a Great Britain running the Church and the founders of the US wanted to steer clear of that. They wanted the churches to be able to run themselves, and have many different churches rather than one National Church, like in England.
None of this has anything to do with kids in a school praying to God. If you don't believe in it then don't pray, and you should have the right not to pray. But you should not have the right to say the majority of kids cannot pray in my presence because I'm not Christian. Your freedoms are not being taken away by sitting quiet while the class prays, or saying nothing as the class says God in a pledge.
You could argue the odd child out would be ridiculed for the lack of participation, but that's bullshit. You either fake it or suffer the consequences of being different. I could be a parent that thinks recycling is sham, global warming is a sick twisted lie, income tax is unnecessary, trade-unions shouldn't exist. Everyone one of these ideas are denounced by the public schools and the very opposite is adopted. I could teach my son to adhere to all of my theories and I still have the right to send him to school. And then I'd have a choice to make. I'd either tell him to shut his mouth and go along with what the school tells him to do but not believe in it, or tell him to speak up and instruct the teacher that my son is not to participate in activities that go against my wishes, so long as there is an alternative to him not participating. I personally would choose the former, just to not make a scene, but at home I'd teach him otherwise and explain why I'm right and there wrong.
If I moved to Kuwait and every school was Muslim and the girls wore hijabs and kids prayed 5 times a day I'd tell my kids to fake it and not stand out but to understand that they are not Muslim. If that causes them to convert to Islam then I'm not really doing a good job of being a parent or a Christian, because the public school system is never and should never be as influential as the home. And when it is it is the home that is at fault.
In short, if a country like the US filled with Christians wants to admire God publicly, in state buildings and schools, they have the right to, so long as they don't govern the churches or allow the churches to govern them. The difference between the State and the Church is the State can kick you out of the State but not out of the Church and the Church can kick you out of the Church but not out of the State. The State cannot till the Church how to pray and the Church cannot tell the State how to govern. The People can however choose to be governed according to their beliefs by voting as such and if the majority votes as such then that is not a matter of the Church joining the State. They are still separate entities in those cases.
Real talk in that muthafuckin' post.
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we're going in circles man lol.
What I'm trynna say is that God might just be a metaphor for something deeper than a person telling people what's right and wrong
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we're going in circles man lol.
What I'm trynna say is that God might just be a metaphor for something deeper than a person telling people what's right and wrong
Lol, I see what ya sayin' though.
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Faith - The theological virtue defined as secure belief in God and a trusting acceptance of God's will.
not emotional just disrespected because you wouldn't answer my question. But if you really think I don't know what an atheist is, than yes you are an idiot
Ah I see. Relax. ;)
Si homie.
that's just one lexical definition. What if one believed that god and life is so complex that not even a book is enough to guide you. to me faith is the belief that you will truly achieve happiness one day.. and a true happy person is someone who is highly moral. Would God punish that person?
I would say that your line of belief is close to atheism. Atheists just don't believe in deities is all. Its not like Atheists don't believe in anything, they just have discerned that a good way to live life evolves out of experience, knowledge and wisdom, rather than superstition or blind faith. Some streams of Buddhism, and also Zen Buddhism do not advocate a belief in deities either. As Buddhism does not advocate a belief in god/s, it can be described as atheistic. Most faiths have atheistic aspects.
One of his students asked Buddha, "Are you the messiah?"
"No", answered Buddha.
"Then are you a healer?"
"No", Buddha replied.
"Then are you a teacher?" the student persisted.
"No, I am not a teacher."
"Then what are you?" asked the student, exasperated.
"I am awake", Buddha replied.
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Faith - The theological virtue defined as secure belief in God and a trusting acceptance of God's will.
not emotional just disrespected because you wouldn't answer my question. But if you really think I don't know what an atheist is, than yes you are an idiot
Ah I see. Relax. ;)
Si homie.
that's just one lexical definition. What if one believed that god and life is so complex that not even a book is enough to guide you. to me faith is the belief that you will truly achieve happiness one day.. and a true happy person is someone who is highly moral. Would God punish that person?
I would say that your line of belief is close to atheism. Atheists just don't believe in deities is all. Its not like Atheists don't believe in anything, they just have discerned that a good way to live life evolves out of experience, knowledge and wisdom, rather than superstition or blind faith. Some streams of Buddhism, and also Zen Buddhism do not advocate a belief in deities either. As Buddhism does not advocate a belief in god/s, it can be described as atheistic. Most faiths have atheistic aspects. Now if, God appeared directly to an atheist then that would be another story, and an atheist would like to think they would question such a deity if it did appear. In absence of such. atheists find profound understanding through simply experiencing and witnessing life.
One of his students asked Buddha, "Are you the messiah?"
"No", answered Buddha.
"Then are you a healer?"
"No", Buddha replied.
"Then are you a teacher?" the student persisted.
"No, I am not a teacher."
"Then what are you?" asked the student, exasperated.
"I am awake", Buddha replied.
hmm that's quite interesting. I think Imma do some research on Buddha now that you've shown me that dialogue. But I don't believe I'm an atheist. I might be according to your operational definition but I think my belief in the bible and afterlife contradicts what an atheist believes in. I believe all the holy books have something holy in them, except the only one I've ever known is the bible. Although I don't take what the bible says as literal as how most Catholics do. Words can be very ambiguous, they can mean the total opposite of what one think they mean. I believe you can only understand certain parts of the bible until you have the wisdom to read deeper than just between the lines. The bible will forever be teaching me, until the day I die.
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Word.
My view is it all relates. We all separate units of thought and consciousness, inevitably we clash with each other. Faiths are descriptions from different perspectives of existence, we all seeing and living on the same hurtling rock through space.
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Though each was partly in the right,
And all were in the wrong!
-'The Blind Men and the Elephant'
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Yeah, fuck those idiots that go out of their way to have the word god taken out of shit or the 10 commandments removed from places and shit like that.
Im not gonna go out of my way. But yeah, I do think the word "god" shouldnt be associated with anything related to government. It shouldnt be in school, shouldnt be on our money. No more then it shoould say "In No God We Trust"
That's a tricky one for me. I've read up on separation of Church and State over the years and it's pretty clear to me that it was never set up to make sure people don't impose their values on others based on their beliefs, otherwise nothing would get accomplished. Every law is someone imposing their values on others based on beliefs. Just because Christianity isn't involved doesn't make it any different. What's the difference between someone saying abortion should be banned because a fetus is life and has a soul, and saying abortion should be legal because woman has the right to choose what happens to their bodies and a fetus doesn't have a soul, or souls aren't real?
The issue with Church and State and separating them was brought up on the basis that State cannot set up a Church, and in a lesser stance the Church cannot control the state. I say in a lesser stance because at the time of the US inception there was no Catholic Church running the show like it was in Europe, but there was a Great Britain running the Church and the founders of the US wanted to steer clear of that. They wanted the churches to be able to run themselves, and have many different churches rather than one National Church, like in England.
None of this has anything to do with kids in a school praying to God. If you don't believe in it then don't pray, and you should have the right not to pray. But you should not have the right to say the majority of kids cannot pray in my presence because I'm not Christian. Your freedoms are not being taken away by sitting quiet while the class prays, or saying nothing as the class says God in a pledge.
You could argue the odd child out would be ridiculed for the lack of participation, but that's bullshit. You either fake it or suffer the consequences of being different. I could be a parent that thinks recycling is sham, global warming is a sick twisted lie, income tax is unnecessary, trade-unions shouldn't exist. Everyone one of these ideas are denounced by the public schools and the very opposite is adopted. I could teach my son to adhere to all of my theories and I still have the right to send him to school. And then I'd have a choice to make. I'd either tell him to shut his mouth and go along with what the school tells him to do but not believe in it, or tell him to speak up and instruct the teacher that my son is not to participate in activities that go against my wishes, so long as there is an alternative to him not participating. I personally would choose the former, just to not make a scene, but at home I'd teach him otherwise and explain why I'm right and there wrong.
If I moved to Kuwait and every school was Muslim and the girls wore hijabs and kids prayed 5 times a day I'd tell my kids to fake it and not stand out but to understand that they are not Muslim. If that causes them to convert to Islam then I'm not really doing a good job of being a parent or a Christian, because the public school system is never and should never be as influential as the home. And when it is it is the home that is at fault.
In short, if a country like the US filled with Christians wants to admire God publicly, in state buildings and schools, they have the right to, so long as they don't govern the churches or allow the churches to govern them. The difference between the State and the Church is the State can kick you out of the State but not out of the Church and the Church can kick you out of the Church but not out of the State. The State cannot tell the Church how to pray and the Church cannot tell the State how to govern. The People can however choose to be governed according to their beliefs by voting as such and if the majority votes as such then that is not a matter of the Church joining the State. They are still separate entities in those cases.
Real talk in that muthafuckin' post.
Glad you liked it. Almost didn't post it thinking it was too long for people to bother reading.
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Faith - The theological virtue defined as secure belief in God and a trusting acceptance of God's will.
not emotional just disrespected because you wouldn't answer my question. But if you really think I don't know what an atheist is, than yes you are an idiot
Ah I see. Relax. ;)
Si homie.
that's just one lexical definition. What if one believed that god and life is so complex that not even a book is enough to guide you. to me faith is the belief that you will truly achieve happiness one day.. and a true happy person is someone who is highly moral. Would God punish that person?
I would say that your line of belief is close to atheism. Atheists just don't believe in deities is all. Its not like Atheists don't believe in anything, they just have discerned that a good way to live life evolves out of experience, knowledge and wisdom, rather than superstition or blind faith. Some streams of Buddhism, and also Zen Buddhism do not advocate a belief in deities either. As Buddhism does not advocate a belief in god/s, it can be described as atheistic. Most faiths have atheistic aspects. Now if, God appeared directly to an atheist then that would be another story, and an atheist would like to think they would question such a deity if it did appear. In absence of such. atheists find profound understanding through simply experiencing and witnessing life.
One of his students asked Buddha, "Are you the messiah?"
"No", answered Buddha.
"Then are you a healer?"
"No", Buddha replied.
"Then are you a teacher?" the student persisted.
"No, I am not a teacher."
"Then what are you?" asked the student, exasperated.
"I am awake", Buddha replied.
hmm that's quite interesting. I think Imma do some research on Buddha now that you've shown me that dialogue. But I don't believe I'm an atheist. I might be according to your operational definition but I think my belief in the bible and afterlife contradicts what an atheist believes in. I believe all the holy books have something holy in them, except the only one I've ever known is the bible. Although I don't take what the bible says as literal as how most Catholics do. Words can be very ambiguous, they can mean the total opposite of what one think they mean. I believe you can only understand certain parts of the bible until you have the wisdom to read deeper than just between the lines. The bible will forever be teaching me, until the day I die.
Exactly. Real talk. But I think Catholic's beliefs are literal becuz they follow the black and white parts. Maybe the belief in purgatory maybe somethang one has interpreted themself and put out there, but like abortion and birth control, I mean that shit comes out The Bible in words like 'Thou shall not...' And as far as those words, I don't think there's a deeper meaning to look for. When it says be fruitful and multiply I think that's what you should do, have children. When it says do not fuck a man, I think that's what it means, don't fuck a man if you a man. All the 10 commandments, don't kill somebody, ya know, don't, etc. I think commands are very literal. Maybe as far as the stories, you could look deeper, but. I don't think the Catholics beliefs come out the stories, but instead to back up the reasoning. Which is what The Bible does anyways.
But yeah 'they can mean the total opposite of what one think they mean', that's why people can't just listen to they preacher and take it for they saying it is. Niggas gotta read The Book themselves, and interpret it for themselves, otherwise..