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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: Jome on November 16, 2002, 09:40:08 PM
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I used to be a big Nas-fan, but he gets worse every day now.
The bold lines are REALLY stupid.
Looks like he thinks he's a mix between Rakim, Eminem & Pac..
And Nas who can't even freestyle ::)
The artist formerly known as Nasty Nas was, for most of 2002, up to his neck in more nasty beef than a British cattle farmer. In high hip-hop tradition, he'd been trading vicious yet safely lyrical barbs with fellow rapper Jay-Z, but the conflict escalated to unnerving proportions when a popular New York radio station nixed Nas' plans to lynch Jay-Z in effigy on stage at their biggest summer concert. Nas began publicly, and scathingly, criticizing not only Jay but also the station's most beloved on-air jocks and several other rap celebs. Egos bristled, snipes sailed through the airwaves, and soon much of hip-hop was taking sides. Just when it seemed there'd be blood in the streets for sure, Nas mellowed. In September, his label, Columbia, put out ''The Lost Tapes,'' a collection of unreleased material that was more introspection and insight than insult, and suddenly Nas had little else to say on the subject. With his seventh disc, ''God's Son,'' due in stores Dec. 17, Nas is, once again, upset. We interrupted him while he was screening the video for ''Made You Look,'' the album's gritty first single.
LISTEN2THIS How'd the video come out?
NAS It sucks. It looks glossy. It looks like we want to be on TV, and it ain't about TV; it's about the streets.
Will hip-hop ever not be about egos? Okay, imagine there were a ban on rhyming about cars, money, jewels, clothes, girls, and yourself. What would you write about?
That would be a terrible thing because that's like saying ''Whatever makes you happy, all your dreams, don't rap about it.'' It'd be a good thing, though, because every song you hear would be incredibly creative and innovative.
Do you think you could write a hot verse about, say, a puppy?
I have a skit on my album [where] I'm a roach in the projects. I don't know if it's going to stay, but I have fun doing raps like that.
There was a rumor that you almost named your last album ''Nastalgia.'' What are your golden days?
The '80s. When you look back, you really find what [hip-hop]is; it was a sound that was at the park jams before there were any radio spins, before there were any videos, when it wasn't compromised, tampered with. It was a block party.
On ''The Lost Tapes'' you call yourself a Columbia Records slave. What did you mean?
I may not be a slave because I get paid for what I do, but the system still pimps artists. [The line is] to educate youngsters about music careers. Do they just want the fame and the cars or do they want to own their masters, or a bigger percentage of their record, or do they want to own their label?
I was watching MTV2 last week, and I saw the 1992 ''Back to the Grill'' video with you, MC Serch, Red Hot Lover Tone, and Chubb Rock. Everyone seemed to be having fun, but you were dead serious. Do you lighten up?
[Laughs] What makes me laugh is hearing my s--- on the radio, that excitement, that enjoyment. I had a ball making this album. The music just comes out and sometimes I say, Damn, I hope people don't get too wrapped up in the seriousness! I hope they enjoy it, too.
Speaking of serious, does it bother you that your single came out with gunshot sound effects right around the time of the sniper tragedies?
I thought about that. [The chorus is] ''They shootin'!'' and then at the same time on the news, they're shooting in D.C. It's not on purpose, but because [rappers] always [keep pace with] current events. Just like the war; brothers are over there fighting the Taliban. If they want to get charged up, play [my new single]. It's wartime; I make music that's relevant for the times. A lot of people are making bulls--- records that don't have anything to do with anything. And that's all good; I love it. [Laughing] That just leaves more room for me to do the reals---.
In the past year you've had verbal conflicts with a lot of other rappers. Do you worry that it'll become more than just words?
Everybody worries about that. We should worry about getting together to fight our real enemies and not each other. I never was a battle rapper. It's the craziest thing; I became like the battle rapper! How the f--- did that happen? I hate it now. I mean, it happened for a reason and at that moment I enjoyed it, but I don't ever want to go through that again. I'm done with it. I've moved on.
Do you think you could take Eminem in a rap battle?
I respect the guy's art, but I don't think it's wise for anybody to challenge me right now. There's really nobody out there that's reached where I'm at yet, and I'm only using one percent of my whole 10 percent. If it gets turned up all the way, I'm gonna lose everybody and they're going to be thinking I'm from another planet.
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Nas was in a battle with Jay-Z and he did not use any freestyling tactics.
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Do you think you could take Eminem in a rap battle?
I respect the guy's art, but I don't think it's wise for anybody to challenge me right now. There's really nobody out there that's reached where I'm at yet, and I'm only using one percent of my whole 10 percent. If it gets turned up all the way, I'm gonna lose everybody and they're going to be thinking I'm from another planet.
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The sad part is, is his telling the truth. Don't hate, Nas right now is on top the game, only Rawkus Records people are close to what he is doing. The J-Lo and Murder Inc. tracks were actually really hip-hop and his verses were still great for commercal tracks. I am really looking forward to God's Son. As for the battle rap comment, I agree with him, he never battled before, but other rappers weren't battle rappers that fucked shit up, Hit 'Em Up was 'Pac's first battle track, Biggie never offical released a battle track, but Long Kiss Goodnight was damn close, and we still get shocked when LL rips the mic in a battle. Nas was tight with Ether, and his right, right now is not the time to get at him. Em's at a high level, but on the real, Nas is on the top of the game as of right now, since Stillmatic.
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Nas was in a battle with Jay-Z and he did not use any freestyling tactics.
The Stillmatic freestyle diss wasn't freestyle tactics.
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Do you think you could take Eminem in a rap battle?
I respect the guy's art, but I don't think it's wise for anybody to challenge me right now. There's really nobody out there that's reached where I'm at yet, and I'm only using one percent of my whole 10 percent. If it gets turned up all the way, I'm gonna lose everybody and they're going to be thinking I'm from another planet.
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The sad part is, is his telling the truth. Don't hate, Nas right now is on top the game, only Rawkus Records people are close to what he is doing. The J-Lo and Murder Inc. tracks were actually really hip-hop and his verses were still great for commercal tracks. I am really looking forward to God's Son. As for the battle rap comment, I agree with him, he never battled before, but other rappers weren't battle rappers that fucked shit up, Hit 'Em Up was 'Pac's first battle track, Biggie never offical released a battle track, but Long Kiss Goodnight was damn close, and we still get shocked when LL rips the mic in a battle. Nas was tight with Ether, and his right, right now is not the time to get at him. Em's at a high level, but on the real, Nas is on the top of the game as of right now, since Stillmatic.
On top of what game? LoL, please don't say the hiphop-game.
Stillmatic has been discussed enough already, and even the biggest Nas-fans now admit that it was just above average. (Except Hellrazor LoL)
"Ether" did not hurt Jay Z's status neither, in fact it made the Jay Z-name stronger after the battle.
If somebody thinks that Nas is a freestyler, and even a great one..
* Why doesn't any REAL Nas-freestyles exist, except the ones that is obviously prewritten or rehearsed?
* Why did he say "No thank you" when Jay Z called him out for a pay per view battle? Because he wouldn't emberras his "homie" Jigga?
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i would like to see Em & Nas get down with a battle, would be interesting. I think Em would pretty much chew up anybody right now, but it'd be nice to see.
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lol em would rip his asshole apart
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I used to be a big Nas-fan, but he gets worse every day now.
The bold lines are REALLY stupid.
Looks like he thinks he's a mix between Rakim, Eminem & Pac..
And Nas who can't even freestyle ::)
The artist formerly known as Nasty Nas was, for most of 2002, up to his neck in more nasty beef than a British cattle farmer. In high hip-hop tradition, he'd been trading vicious yet safely lyrical barbs with fellow rapper Jay-Z, but the conflict escalated to unnerving proportions when a popular New York radio station nixed Nas' plans to lynch Jay-Z in effigy on stage at their biggest summer concert. Nas began publicly, and scathingly, criticizing not only Jay but also the station's most beloved on-air jocks and several other rap celebs. Egos bristled, snipes sailed through the airwaves, and soon much of hip-hop was taking sides. Just when it seemed there'd be blood in the streets for sure, Nas mellowed. In September, his label, Columbia, put out ''The Lost Tapes,'' a collection of unreleased material that was more introspection and insight than insult, and suddenly Nas had little else to say on the subject. With his seventh disc, ''God's Son,'' due in stores Dec. 17, Nas is, once again, upset. We interrupted him while he was screening the video for ''Made You Look,'' the album's gritty first single.
LISTEN2THIS How'd the video come out?
NAS It sucks. It looks glossy. It looks like we want to be on TV, and it ain't about TV; it's about the streets.
Will hip-hop ever not be about egos? Okay, imagine there were a ban on rhyming about cars, money, jewels, clothes, girls, and yourself. What would you write about?
That would be a terrible thing because that's like saying ''Whatever makes you happy, all your dreams, don't rap about it.'' It'd be a good thing, though, because every song you hear would be incredibly creative and innovative.
Do you think you could write a hot verse about, say, a puppy?
I have a skit on my album [where] I'm a roach in the projects. I don't know if it's going to stay, but I have fun doing raps like that.
There was a rumor that you almost named your last album ''Nastalgia.'' What are your golden days?
The '80s. When you look back, you really find what [hip-hop]is; it was a sound that was at the park jams before there were any radio spins, before there were any videos, when it wasn't compromised, tampered with. It was a block party.
On ''The Lost Tapes'' you call yourself a Columbia Records slave. What did you mean?
I may not be a slave because I get paid for what I do, but the system still pimps artists. [The line is] to educate youngsters about music careers. Do they just want the fame and the cars or do they want to own their masters, or a bigger percentage of their record, or do they want to own their label?
I was watching MTV2 last week, and I saw the 1992 ''Back to the Grill'' video with you, MC Serch, Red Hot Lover Tone, and Chubb Rock. Everyone seemed to be having fun, but you were dead serious. Do you lighten up?
[Laughs] What makes me laugh is hearing my s--- on the radio, that excitement, that enjoyment. I had a ball making this album. The music just comes out and sometimes I say, Damn, I hope people don't get too wrapped up in the seriousness! I hope they enjoy it, too.
Speaking of serious, does it bother you that your single came out with gunshot sound effects right around the time of the sniper tragedies?
I thought about that. [The chorus is] ''They shootin'!'' and then at the same time on the news, they're shooting in D.C. It's not on purpose, but because [rappers] always [keep pace with] current events. Just like the war; brothers are over there fighting the Taliban. If they want to get charged up, play [my new single]. It's wartime; I make music that's relevant for the times. A lot of people are making bulls--- records that don't have anything to do with anything. And that's all good; I love it. [Laughing] That just leaves more room for me to do the reals---.
In the past year you've had verbal conflicts with a lot of other rappers. Do you worry that it'll become more than just words?
Everybody worries about that. We should worry about getting together to fight our real enemies and not each other. I never was a battle rapper. It's the craziest thing; I became like the battle rapper! How the f--- did that happen? I hate it now. I mean, it happened for a reason and at that moment I enjoyed it, but I don't ever want to go through that again. I'm done with it. I've moved on.
Do you think you could take Eminem in a rap battle?
I respect the guy's art, but I don't think it's wise for anybody to challenge me right now. There's really nobody out there that's reached where I'm at yet, and I'm only using one percent of my whole 10 percent. If it gets turned up all the way, I'm gonna lose everybody and they're going to be thinking I'm from another planet.
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id love to see nas step to em...id love to see him try n step to rawkus or project blowed...hed get served good n plenty...nas is at the bottom of his game...reppin with notorious studio thugs...reppin with no freestyle skill WHATSOEVER...thats a joke...he got a big head cuz a few people said he beat Jayz...Aceyalone would eat up nas...Supernat would eat up nas...Chino XL would tear him to shreds...so nas should chill
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oh niggaz please...........lol y'all make me laugh about thinkin jay-z won the battle with nas......lol man ask the streets wat they felt n 90% will tell u nas won it, and stillmatic was a betta album than blueprint...........thought i havent heard part two........n jome, seriously man, letly u jus seeem to be hangin onto nas's nuts, i mean whats ya problem with him? lol
and about nas and eminem....................he answered the question properly...........what was he meant to say..............."man eminem would kill me in a battle" ::) ::) lol that would be dumb, his showin by answerin like that, that no one at the moment in hip hop he feels can beat him at the moment, showin his confident..............whats there to loose respect for nas for sayin that...............man alot of ppl make up dumb shit..........no where did he directly say he could beat emimen.....he jus answered is cleverly and told basically everyone that they shouldnt diss him at the moment........plus him n eminem got luv for each other so whats the problem?
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I'ma Nas fan but he must be smoking some shit if he thinks he could take Em in a battle...Nas ain't no battle rapper but I see where he's coming from...The dude asked him a question so what's Nas supposed to say, that he'd lose?...
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That "Using only 1% of his 10%" is an excuse. Why don't he use it then! What is he waiting for...an apocalypse?!
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On top of what game? LoL, please don't say the hiphop-game.
Stillmatic has been discussed enough already, and even the biggest Nas-fans now admit that it was just above average. (Except Hellrazor LoL)
You can add me to that list. Stillmatic was a hell of a lot high than average. It's got battle rhymes (Ether, Destory & Rebuild), concept records (One Mic), storytelling (Rewind), politics (My Country), he drops knowledge (What Goes Around) & just straight dope hip-hop records (You're A Man, 2nd Childhood...) This album has enough soon-to-be classics. The only record people seem to put down is "Braveheart Party".
I'd also say he's at the top of his game after dropping this album, beating Jay in the battle, his remix EP and the near flawless Lost Tapes. Plus TOP-NOTCH guest apperances with Scarface, Devin, Large Pro, AZ...
* Why did he say "No thank you" when Jay Z called him out for a pay per view battle? Because he wouldn't emberras his "homie" Jigga?
After Jay dropped "Superugly" Nas was on Rap City and he said it was over. He basically said that it was a bullshit record and he won the battle. He didn't need to respond or continue the beef.
Why should he give Jay a chance he redeem himself?
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Em would rip Nas in a freestyle battle no problem, and this is coming from a huge Nas fan.
HOWEVER.......NAS DID hurt Jays career with Ether, as Jay's shit is softer than ever....i think their "battle" helped them at the time, but now it is hurting both of them and they should say fuck it and be cool.
And yo, STILLMATIC is astill a great album, i would say it is at least tied with Blueprint. Blueprint is much better commercially, while Stillmatic is better real hiphop........to me, its close to a tie. Both albums were overrated
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I know this topic is about Nas but why does everyone think Em can't be beat in a battle? Has anyone heard Search 4 Bobby Fisher (by Evidence of Dilated Peoples) as everyone who's heard it says that Ev kills Em in it and won that battle by a LONG way. By the end of that song Em has two new assholes.
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Jay-Z lost. Peep this interview:
http://dformula.bizland.com/disses/jayzone.rm
Notice how shaky his voice gets when Angie mentions Ether.
"If you werent you, would you think ether was a hot song?
I would be a little like, like me as a guy I would listen to the raps and WOW, like WOW, it uneasy, you know. Like, like, its far, very vulgar."
Everyone knows Jay got extremelly affected by Ether.
As far as Em vs. Nas, what did you expect him to say?
They asked Luda the same thing on the Anger Management tour and his response was pretty much the same thing. Would any cocky MC answer any differently?
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^^^ People are miss lead to believe the hype. And right now, Curriculum 101 by Canibus fucks up Em too. Em needs to win battles again proven Emcees before you put him again Nas. Em ain't won shit yet, and talking as if Nas is 2nd rank... humm... can we say dickriders. If his dissing Jigga, people are over his dick, if he says anything about Em, then his wrong, bandwagon jumping muthaphukkaz.
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nopeeeee
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Freestyle battle - Eminem will win
Written battle - Nas will win
It's as easy as that.
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Ya, westcoast verteran has it right, noone can fuck with Nas when it comes to writing, but his freestyling is definetely questionable. Who cares, different artists are good at different things........thats why i hate the Jigga vs. Nas shit, cuz Jigga kills him with commercial shit, but Nas kills it with true hiphop. WHen Nas tries to do commercial shit it blows, and Jigga just doesnt do real hip hop anymore...
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......thought i havent heard part two........n jome, seriously man, letly u jus seeem to be hangin onto nas's nuts, i mean whats ya problem with him? lol
Ugh dude, I'm sposed to be a Nas-fan, but that's not easy when he's flirting with Ja Rule and selling the fuck out.
Yet he continues talking outta his ass, and talking about taking hiphop back to the roots, and keeping it real.
I be like: Shut the fuck up, and do proper records instead.
Sometimes his interviews makes me wonder if somebody is ghostwriting for him..
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Last time I checked "Made You Look" is the most street oriented single in many years....
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Well its not my favourite song, i agree with Westcoast VEt about MAde U Look.......i thought NAs would be the one with the corny ass Pac rip off, not Jay Z! AS long as Nas makes dope fucking music, than i could care less what label he is on..............Jay Z is the one selling out and selling himself short, as i KNOW he could make a dope HIPHOP record, but hasn't since 96'.......peace
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Eminem has no chance cause the hood's will never accept a ........ as the voice of the streets.
ImO, cause everything hip-hop stood for since the conception is anti Eminem.
You suburb's fans's can bump his shit till the wheel's fall off...but around here that shit is getting no play in the rides...pleasebelive. Southern Cali {805}
OnE
Hatesrats 2oo2
Maybe in kentucky.........lol
or some other non ethnic state...
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i think eminem would drop nas he iz so fuccing overrated ppl jus make him better than he really iz and tha same wit 2pac but thats jus my opinion. im out!!!
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Is Nas really overrated? Sure Stillmatic was a tad overrated, but did u hear Lost tapes? I am the first to admit Nas has some wack shit, what rapper hasn't made a wack album?
I can understand why some people don't like Nas, cuz he doesn't have the charisma your favourite rapper has, and he doesn't have the punchlines.......i guess it comes down to what u like about hiphop.
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well i use to be a kinda bigg nas fan he use to be my top 5 rapperz but now he aint even in tha top 10, i dont know im jus not really feeling him anymroe but he iz a good rapper. i mean i would brather listen to him then most rapperz from tha east. im out!!!
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Lol, don't know why some of you are tripping at his comments, he's just bigging himself up, ain't nothing wrong with that. So Em can say stuff to this effect but Nas can't? Hip-hop is all about bringing what you can to the table and flaunting it, thats where the essence in battling comes from.
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Lol, don't know why some of you are tripping at his comments, he's just bigging himself up, ain't nothing wrong with that. So Em can say stuff to this effect but Nas can't? Hip-hop is all about bringing what you can to the table and flaunting it, thats where the essence in battling comes from.
YET u claim that what Jay does in his rapz is braggin'....but when NAS does it, it's going back to the essence of hiphop.
as for who would be the winner in a possible "EM vs NAS" battle-> this is a rethorical question, otherwise yall have to learn how to evaluate lyrical skillz...EM is a whole diffrend dimention, not only level...May be NAS could've come wit some nice verbal jabz (on a good day ;) like we saw on "ether") but EM would make u feel sorry for NAS, you'd prolly feel NAS'z pain along wit chillz all over yo body if EM was to come at him.
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Lol, don't know why some of you are tripping at his comments, he's just bigging himself up, ain't nothing wrong with that. So Em can say stuff to this effect but Nas can't? Hip-hop is all about bringing what you can to the table and flaunting it, thats where the essence in battling comes from.
YET u claim that what Jay does in his rapz is braggin'....but when NAS does it, it's going back to the essence of hiphop.
I don't mean bragging in the sense of what material things they have, I mean about the skills they have, and not only bragging but showcasing those skills aswell.
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YET u claim that what Jay does in his rapz is braggin'....but when NAS does it, it's going back to the essence of hiphop.
Oh, and i'd just like to say that even though bragging is all part of the battling essence in hip-hop it wasn't wise for Jay to say he was possibly better than Biggie ;)
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......thought i havent heard part two........n jome, seriously man, letly u jus seeem to be hangin onto nas's nuts, i mean whats ya problem with him? lol
Ugh dude, I'm sposed to be a Nas-fan, but that's not easy when he's flirting with Ja Rule and selling the fuck out.
Yet he continues talking outta his ass, and talking about taking hiphop back to the roots, and keeping it real.
I be like: Shut the fuck up, and do proper records instead.
Sometimes his interviews makes me wonder if somebody is ghostwriting for him..
lol i know u didnt say that nigga, nas sellin out?? make proper records instead?? nigga i know u didnt mean that...........have u heard 'made you look'? isnt that a proper hiphop track, it is in my eyes and sellin out? isnt he the nigga who jus made stillmatic and apparently makin another non commercail album in 'gods son'........seriously man, i think that what you was sayin there is jus bullshit man.........unless im percieving it in another way to what its meant......or u jus made a mistake..........but i def do agree with one thang.....he needs to get the fucka away from the murder inc crew! but aslong as it dont effect his records, he can kick it with who he wants ya getz me
peace
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eminem is tha best fuckin rapper/lyracist out there right now and prolly will end up being the best ever. nas would not stand a fuckin chance against him on tha real
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Ether > Quitter / I Remember / My Name / Say What You Say
Eminem can battle in competitions but he hasn't proven to me that he can make a vicious diss track.
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Ether > Quitter / I Remember / My Name / Say What You Say
Eminem can battle in competitions but he hasn't proven to me that he can make a vicious diss track.
I thought "I Remember" was a great diss record and "Quitter" was good too. "My Name" and "Say What You Say" weren't really all out diss records like "Ether" or a "The Bitch In Yoo".
But overall think it would be a good battle and I think it could go either way. You can make arguments for either one.
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a few comments.
what respectable rhymer has Eminem ever beaten in a battle? his dispute with Everlast was at best a toss up, his shit with Canibus is unfinished, he got served by evidence. Eminem is obviously the better freestyle, but songwise Nas would spank him.
as for him saying he'd win to quote Phife Dog from A Tribe Called Quest "If I don't say I'm the best tell me who the hell will?" that's real right there. it's all about self-confidence for emcees... when has an emcee ever said "yo straight up im wack compared to this guy, or that guy"?
I see Lose Yourself/Run Rabbit Run seems to have increased most peoples opinion of Eminem... i'll admit that it did renew my interest in him, but he's certainly not the best Emcee out... nor the best lyricist.
I don't really like Nas rolling with Murda Inc, but as long as he's just hanging out with cats and not being influenced by their style it's all good. "Made You Look" sounds like some shit from a decade and a half ago, which is mad cool to me.
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Eminem would win any battle with Nas. Check "Quitter" for proof, he would kill any rapper stepping to him if he is 100 percent focused on doing so.
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Eminem would win any battle with Nas. Check "Quitter" for proof, he would kill any rapper stepping to him if he is 100 percent focused on doing so.
Quitter vs. Ether
Can we say DICKRIDER
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he's certainly not the best Emcee out... nor the best lyricist.
yes he is!
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Lol, don't know why some of you are tripping at his comments, he's just bigging himself up, ain't nothing wrong with that. So Em can say stuff to this effect but Nas can't? Hip-hop is all about bringing what you can to the table and flaunting it, thats where the essence in battling comes from.
YET u claim that what Jay does in his rapz is braggin'....but when NAS does it, it's going back to the essence of hiphop.
I don't mean bragging in the sense of what material things they have, I mean about the skills they have, and not only bragging but showcasing those skills aswell.
yo dog, haven't you ever thought that the shift of hiphop to materialism is an evolutional stage, coming from the early hiphop's "skill braggin", like in the sence of "Im ILL> dat's why people buyin' my shit> dat'z how I got this rolex and this chain>....> now Im a kingpin" ;D....not that seilz have anything to do with quallity, Im just explaining how they got to the whole materialistic nut waving, problem is, this Evolutional progress(if I may call it so) created a seperate movement in hiphop, not neceserly a needed one. But it comes from the exact same principle, So u really ARE kinda having a double standart
and here is another proof.:
"Oh, and i'd just like to say that even though bragging is all part of the battling essence in hip-hop it wasn't wise for Jay to say he was possibly better than Biggie"
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to bash nas a little bit here...i always here people talk shit about Kurupt for rhyming Bitch with Bitch or Techn9ne for rhymin Nigga with Nigga...but Nas rhymes Fella with Fella more than a few times in this song...which(according to others) is a big no no...i mean Ether was coo...but Takeover fucked up Ether easily...and yea i think Nas is overrated...to me u can be the best written mc but that dont matter...cuz u can take years writing to perfection...real emcees dump on the spot...and Eminem can bust with the best of them...yall know that...go back to his Wake Up Show days...i dont think nas could ever spit any shit like eminem did...cmon this little white boy was bustin with established Emcees like KRS-One, Pharoahe Monch, Xzibit, Dilated Peoples, etc...hell he placed fairly high in the rap-olympics...so i doubt nas could even touch eminem....oh and yall know im not much of an eminem fan...but its the truth
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to bash nas a little bit here...i always here people talk shit about Kurupt for rhyming Bitch with Bitch or Techn9ne for rhymin Nigga with Nigga...but Nas rhymes Fella with Fella more than a few times in this song...which(according to others) is a big no no...i mean Ether was coo...but Takeover fucked up Ether easily...and yea i think Nas is overrated...to me u can be the best written mc but that dont matter...cuz u can take years writing to perfection...real emcees dump on the spot...and Eminem can bust with the best of them...yall know that...go back to his Wake Up Show days...i dont think nas could ever spit any shit like eminem did...cmon this little white boy was bustin with established Emcees like KRS-One, Pharoahe Monch, Xzibit, Dilated Peoples, etc...hell he placed fairly high in the rap-olympics...so i doubt nas could even touch eminem....oh and yall know im not much of an eminem fan...but its the truth
You don't have to explain yourself dude we all know that Slim is on top right now. We are just ignorant and hatin.
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Lol, don't know why some of you are tripping at his comments, he's just bigging himself up, ain't nothing wrong with that. So Em can say stuff to this effect but Nas can't? Hip-hop is all about bringing what you can to the table and flaunting it, thats where the essence in battling comes from.
YET u claim that what Jay does in his rapz is braggin'....but when NAS does it, it's going back to the essence of hiphop.
I don't mean bragging in the sense of what material things they have, I mean about the skills they have, and not only bragging but showcasing those skills aswell.
yo dog, haven't you ever thought that the shift of hiphop to materialism is an evolutional stage, coming from the early hiphop's "skill braggin", like in the sence of "Im ILL> dat's why people buyin' my shit> dat'z how I got this rolex and this chain>....> now Im a kingpin" ;D....not that seilz have anything to do with quallity, Im just explaining how they got to the whole materialistic nut waving, problem is, this Evolutional progress(if I may call it so) created a seperate movement in hiphop, not neceserly a needed one. But it comes from the exact same principle, So u really ARE kinda having a double standart
and here is another proof.:
"Oh, and i'd just like to say that even though bragging is all part of the battling essence in hip-hop it wasn't wise for Jay to say he was possibly better than Biggie"
Nope, no double standards here, aslong as they have the skills to back up what their saying I really don't care. I can't really relate to all that materialistic BS so it doesn't really interest me even if now it seems to be an 'essential' ingrediant these days, i'd rather listen to something with real content.
But anyways, take KRS, he's one of the biggest braggers, since the early days, and he doesn't need to talk about materialistic BS, and he has the skills to back his talk up, and thats why he's respected by so many real MC's.
As for what Jay said, it was disrespectful to Biggie imo, because as far as i'm concerened Jay is an average MC, and I know alot of people were offended by what Jay said because in reality, compared to Biggie he can't back it up skills wise. He can say he's the best if he wants, I mean he's not gonna say he's the worst now is he?
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We're kinda going off topic man, since the arguement wasn't bout who we see as worthy enough to brag, we were talking about braggin in general(Not that I have anythang against relating to trackz but truelly I can't see how it's possible to relate to any typa bragging, so relating to tracks hasn't really anythang to do with it) , and just as you said when it only concerned NAS-I have nothing against it, just like I can't be against any other clear statement brought to me on trackz(I ain't listenin to shit to edit or censoure it)....as for Jay saying "if I aint better than BIG I'm the closest one" offeneded or not as some people might have been, has nothin' to do with the fact that it was nothing but legitemate bragging.....
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i just feel like throwing fire to the flame...if people say nas aint materialistic then they must be kidding themselves...mr i ice my tennis shoes, mr wear minks in videos waving cristal bottles in the air....hes just as materialistic as the next man...i swear nas fans got doublestandards for nas....hes a real mc cuz he actually has meaning in some songs?...well so does plenty of rappers...jayz is wack for rappin about jewels and shit...but its ok if nas does it...its wack is someone brags...but nas does it...its ok...get over it
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....hes a real mc cuz he actually has meaning in some songs?...well so does plenty of rappers...jayz is wack for rappin about jewels and shit...but its ok if nas does it...its wack is someone brags...but nas does it...its ok...get over it
I never see topics of tracks as the reason to why those same tracks are wack, The topic is the rapper's personal pick. Not excepting a track because of it's topic is closed minded and censouring, so weather it's Ice, bitches,love songs, battle rhymes or anythang else it should be judged strictly by the rappers ability of painting and passing whatever he inteneded to tell...
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I never see topics of tracks as the reason to why those same tracks are wack, The topic is the rapper's personal pick. Not excepting a track because of it's topic is closed minded and censouring, so weather it's Ice, bitches,love songs, battle rhymes or anythang else it should be judged strictly by the rappers ability of painting and passing whatever he inteneded to tell...
i got no problem with someone talkin about ice...bitches....beamers...betnleys....what ever the case is...but when people deny that their favorite rapper does it...i think that is wack....
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I never see topics of tracks as the reason to why those same tracks are wack, The topic is the rapper's personal pick. Not excepting a track because of it's topic is closed minded and censouring, so weather it's Ice, bitches,love songs, battle rhymes or anythang else it should be judged strictly by the rappers ability of painting and passing whatever he inteneded to tell...
i got no problem with someone talkin about ice...bitches....beamers...betnleys....what ever the case is...but when people deny that their favorite rapper does it...i think that is wack....
Im witcha on this, just clearing it up ;)
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I never see topics of tracks as the reason to why those same tracks are wack, The topic is the rapper's personal pick. Not excepting a track because of it's topic is closed minded and censouring, so weather it's Ice, bitches,love songs, battle rhymes or anythang else it should be judged strictly by the rappers ability of painting and passing whatever he inteneded to tell...
i got no problem with someone talkin about ice...bitches....beamers...betnleys....what ever the case is...but when people deny that their favorite rapper does it...i think that is wack....
I don't know if thats aimed at me but I have never said Nas doesn't rhyme about ice, cars, bitches etc, if I did I would be fooling myself. BUT I respect him more than your average rapper that does talk on those things because alot of his material does have some real substance and meaning, and for me personally i've got to hear stuff like that to keep me interested because I like to hear what a rappers opinion is on certain issues. As for Jay, i'd like to say that I think he actually had alot of substance and proper content (well more than usual) on "The Blueprint" and thats why it was recieved so well, he almost live upto the hype on "The Blueprint" ;)