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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: Matty on November 20, 2009, 09:22:21 AM
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I am back with another Outta Control Remix thread!!! Don't hate, embrace ;D
Dre produced tracks that IMO are Detox level/worthy. There's only really four or so of them.
Out of the four, 'Shit Popped Off' and 'Get Up' seem to be consistent with the most up to date Dre drums (live style). Super high quality rips provided where available. Please discuss 8)
50 Cent feat. Mobb Deep - Outta Control Remix (Instrumental) http://www.mediafire.com/?kgdz4jnhjyu
50 Cent - Get Up (Instrumental) http://www.mediafire.com/?nhq3tiyyyn5
Snoop Dogg - Imagine (Feat. Dr. Dre And D'Angelo) http://www.mediafire.com/?znmkytmzz0m
T.I. - Shit Popped Off (tweaked slightly) http://www.mediafire.com/?hzdyyn3mkdg
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I am back with another Outta Control Remix thread!!! Don't hate, embrace ;D
Dre produced tracks that IMO are Detox level/worthy. There's only really four or so of them.
Out of the four, 'Shit Popped Off' and 'Get Up' seem to be consistent with the most up to date Dre drums (live style). Super high quality rips provided where available. Please discuss 8)
50 Cent feat. Mobb Deep - Outta Control Remix (Instrumental) http://www.mediafire.com/?kgdz4jnhjyu
50 Cent - Get Up (Instrumental) http://www.mediafire.com/?nhq3tiyyyn5
Snoop Dogg - Imagine (Feat. Dr. Dre And D'Angelo) http://www.mediafire.com/?znmkytmzz0m
T.I. - Shit Popped Off (tweaked slightly) http://www.mediafire.com/?hzdyyn3mkdg
Homie, isnt Get Up produced by Scott Storch?
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yeah, but its obviously way more of a Dre production, even though he is only credited for the mixing. Storch was in rehab and the mix/drums are completely unlike any Storch production (superior). So no, its definitely not a Storch production ;D
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yep its storch dre prop mixed it
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yep its storch dre prop mixed it
he did 'mix' it. but you don't need to know that to know it is not a Storch production.
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Damn, now Im confused. Two dudes like Adriano and Matty with different opinions...Whos right?? Lets wait for Meho LOL
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nobody has to be wrong, i think it's just down to the definition of who the 'producer' of a track is. Storch might be officially credited, but I'd challenge anyone to name any other Storch record with even remotely similar acoustics/mixing.
I'd speculate the Storch input was probably the melody and the most basic drum loop. Dre input would have been the actual drum sounds, the extra drum layers, instruments and the final mix itself. Most likely done at a later date to the original beat as Storch was not producing music at the time the record came out. The last time Storch was definitely working with Dre was the original Bishop Reformation sessions. We could speculate that the beat was originally a Bishop joint too ;D
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We could speculate that the beat was originally a Bishop joint too ;D
we could, but let's just enjoy the music :laugh:
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nobody has to be wrong, i think it's just down to the definition of who the 'producer' of a track is. Storch might be officially credited, but I'd challenge anyone to name any other Storch record with even remotely similar acoustics/mixing.
I'd speculate the Storch input was probably the melody and the most basic drum loop. Dre input would have been the actual drum sounds, the extra drum layers, instruments and the final mix itself. Most likely done at a later date to the original beat as Storch was not producing music at the time the record came out. The last time Storch was definitely working with Dre was the original Bishop Reformation sessions. We could speculate that the beat was originally a Bishop joint too ;D
50 Cent - Get Up / Produced by Scott Storch and Dr.Dre. Amen. 8)
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Get Up - Produced by Dr. Dre, keys and original loop by Scott Storch.
anyway the beat is crazy. next level drums, slaps hard as hell 8)
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Get Up - Produced by Dr. Dre, keys and original loop by Scott Storch.
anyway the beat is crazy. next level drums, slaps hard as hell 8)
It was confirmed to be produced by Scott Storch, right? Dr. Dre just mixed it, Storch made the beat.
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anyway the beat is crazy. next level drums, slaps hard as hell 8)
I agree, its a fuckin mystery to me why this shit aint on dudes album. Like I stated in one thread some time ago, artists are going mental, puttin some trash on the albums and leaving out great stuff, ( 50 cent, Timbaland, Snoop Dogg)
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the credits are Produced by Scott Storch. I'm just speculating based on the actual sounds of it. No way Storch did the drums, so it all comes down to what constitutes 'making the beat'.
Co-produced might be fairer, but I consider the producer to be the person who had the most impact on the final sound, especially when it's this good.
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But you did know that with Dr. Dre, he has a band of musicians playin the music/makin the beat.
Co-produced might be fairer, but I consider the producer to be the person who had the most impact on the final sound, especially when it's this good.
Yeah, that's usually Dr. Dre, because he decides what the final sound will be like, even though he might not have created it himself. For example in "2001" he had Scott Storch, Mike Elizondo, Camara Kambo and others makin the music for him. If you understand that then you can understand why so many people talk shit about Dr. Dre so much and say that he gets too much credited for shit he ain't even done or really had nothin' to do with.
Daz Dillinger dissed Dre about that shit but he did the same shit on "Retaliation, Revenge & Get Back", he had Soopafly, Carl "Butch" Small, Sean "Barney Rubble" and others playin' the music on some of the tracks from the album. Ain't nothin' wrong with that, as long as people get credited for the shit they did.
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sure thing. its all in the little details.
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But you did know that with Dr. Dre, he has a band of musicians playin the music/makin the beat.
Co-produced might be fairer, but I consider the producer to be the person who had the most impact on the final sound, especially when it's this good.
Yeah, that's usually Dr. Dre, because he decides what the final sound will be like, even though he might not have created it himself. For example in "2001" he had Scott Storch, Mike Elizondo, Camara Kambo and others makin the music for him. If you understand that then you can understand why so many people talk shit about Dr. Dre so much and say that he gets too much credited for shit he ain't even done or really had nothin' to do with.
Daz Dillinger dissed Dre about that shit but he did the same shit on "Retaliation, Revenge & Get Back", he had Soopafly, Carl "Butch" Small, Sean "Barney Rubble" and others playin' the music on some of the tracks from the album. Ain't nothin' wrong with that, as long as people get credited for the shit they did.
Thats the truth yea.
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Those drums are definitely Dre.
You can say all you want about Dre and him taking credits but when "mixed by Dr.Dre" is in the credits, it's something so many levels above anyone else. For example I had Loso's Way in the car last week and BISD this week; the Khalil tracks on Fab's album don't even come close to the clean sound of Could've Been You (not to mention that the thump is much more noticeable in the latter)
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Those drums are definitely Dre.
You can say all you want about Dre and him taking credits but when "mixed by Dr.Dre" is in the credits, it's something so many levels above anyone else. For example I had Loso's Way in the car last week and BISD this week; the Khalil tracks on Fab's album don't even come close to the clean sound of Could've Been You (not to mention that the thump is much more noticeable in the latter)
Dre didn't do too much to 'Could've Been You' as its pretty much the same beat/sounds, but 50 didn't really get or deserve shit from Dre for his crappy BSID album anyway. The differences are very noticable though - that low-end thump and the subtle 'live hats' give it the edge.
One I've been meaning to bring up is 'Bitches On My Dick'. I reckon that one is quite possibly a Dre mix, considering it's quite old and Khalil hasn't really done a 'banger' style beat bigger or better sounding than that.
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oh another one was Snoop's 'That's That' Produced by Nottz, mixed by Dre. The booklet kind of gives it away that there was more than just mixing in the 'mixng' process. The beat sounds a lot better, especially in the low-end, than any of the beats Nottz has ever done. Its kinda comical that most producers really haven't got a firm grip on the low-end like the real masters (Dre, Quik, Timbaland to name a few).
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Those drums are definitely Dre.
You can say all you want about Dre and him taking credits but when "mixed by Dr.Dre" is in the credits, it's something so many levels above anyone else.
Yeah, i know. I'm not dissin Dr. Dre, i'm just tellin' the shit that everybody knows, even Dre himself said that he usually works with a band of musicians and it's quite clear when you are lookin at the credits and it says that other people played the bass, the keyboards, the guitar etc..
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Those drums are definitely Dre.
You can say all you want about Dre and him taking credits but when "mixed by Dr.Dre" is in the credits, it's something so many levels above anyone else.
Yeah, i know. I'm not dissin Dr. Dre, i'm just tellin' the shit that everybody knows, even Dre himself said that he usually works with a band of musicians and it's quite clear when you are lookin at the credits and it says that other people played the bass, the keyboards, the guitar etc..
Thats clear to anyone bro. Dre is a perfectionist and nobody is arguing that, but I wouldnt give him title as a producer cause he mixed the track and made the track perfect with adding some sick insturments in it. This convo went too much in finesse but its a quality thread no doubt.
Track produced by Scott Storch and Dr Dre is fair lol
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Dang mattyy i always thought you had a strong ear but most that shit is rigid. Outta control remix is hype but the rest of that shit aint even close to detox level shit imo. Obviously this is 'mattys' standards but dres done made beats much better than them. But if we talking about a joint as a whole, i dunno, but as instrumentals, dre done come much better imo.
pz
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there are some other notable ones but these are the ones that do it for me. my taste is pretty particular. 50's 'Talk About Me' is probably another personal favourite 8)
i'd like to see to see some arguments for other dre tracks from the last few years though...
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i'd agree with Imagine for sure, an album of cuts to that standard would do the trick
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there are some other notable ones but these are the ones that do it for me. my taste is pretty particular. 50's 'Talk About Me' is probably another personal favourite 8)
i'd like to see to see some arguments for other dre tracks from the last few years though...
dude, you made a topic about this not too long ago
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It was confirmed to be produced by Scott Storch, right? Dr. Dre just mixed it, Storch made the beat.
there's a lot more to being the producer than just being the guy who made the beat.
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there are some other notable ones but these are the ones that do it for me. my taste is pretty particular. 50's 'Talk About Me' is probably another personal favourite 8)
i'd like to see to see some arguments for other dre tracks from the last few years though...
dude, you made a topic about this not too long ago
outta control remix thread is a bi-monthly event hombres :sombrero:
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no relapse beat ?
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Only misinformed people seem to not understand how Dr.Dre works.
He doesn't necessarily create the music but is like a conductor or a tutor. He's always there watching and tweaking. The final sound is a reflection of Dr. Dre. There's two different type of respect.
There's the respect I have for Dj Khalil and his band for being original and creating insane music with instruments.
There's the respect I have for Dr.Dre for capturing sound in such a smooth and unique way.
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What about the Lost One instrumental? Also, a couple of those relapse beats are to me detox worthy
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What about the Lost One instrumental? Also, a couple of those relapse beats are to me detox worthy
indeed...the only real Detox worthy song until now is actually Underground by Eminem....if anyone can find the instrumental of that song it would be really awesome....
All the other tracks are too old or just inappropriate.
Get up is sooo overrated. It is NOT a hit, if it was was, then by now it would be clear by the public's response. Creatively it is just a failed attempt to make a harder club banger that In de Club was, but at the end it lacks the originality in the simplicity that In Da Club had thus making it much weaker.
Add Hallelujah by Bishop Lamont to the list.
Add It Hurt too.
These are tracks that stand out.
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Fast Lane was dope!
Can anyone up the instrumental please
edit: lol its from 2000 ::)
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Fast Lane was dope!
Can anyone up the instrumental please
edit: lol its from 2000 ::)
40 Fast Lane _Bilal_.mp3 - 2.56MB (http://www.zshare.net/audio/687769276115c660/)
is that the one?
it's only 2 mins long though, dont have a longer one
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Fast Lane was dope!
Can anyone up the instrumental please
edit: lol its from 2000 ::)
how about this (credit goes to FLAC Master Nooc210) http://www.mediafire.com/?h2zwmmvgmzz
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"Imagine" was very plain . It had the cookie cutter sound of all his latest shit that he has been doing . The piano and claps sounds like the garbage he gave to Jay Z for his flop of an album a few years ago. "Shit Popped Off" was weak and was created by The Buchanons .We need beats like "The Knoc " and " Death to My Enemies" that have a creative sound to them , not more of that shit that he's been doing that sounds like it was just shit out of a generic beat factory . Beats like "Break Ya Neck" or "U Know" are the type of shit we need from him . He can keep that bullshit in the vaults like that "Psycho" track from 50's album.
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Fast Lane was dope!
Can anyone up the instrumental please
edit: lol its from 2000 ::)
40 Fast Lane _Bilal_.mp3 - 2.56MB (http://www.zshare.net/audio/687769276115c660/)
is that the one?
it's only 2 mins long though, dont have a longer one
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how about this (credit goes to FLAC Master Nooc210) http://www.mediafire.com/?h2zwmmvgmzz
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NICE THX
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"I Like " by Knoc was another creative beat . Fuck that bullshit he gave to Slim Thugg that sounds like pianos and claps . " Round Here " was decent , too.
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"Imagine" was very plain . It had the cookie cutter sound of all his latest shit that he has been doing . The piano and claps sounds like the garbage he gave to Jay Z for his flop of an album a few years ago. "Shit Popped Off" was weak and was created by The Buchanons .We need beats like "The Knoc " and " Death to My Enemies" that have a creative sound to them , not more of that shit that he's been doing that sounds like it was just shit out of a generic beat factory . Beats like "Break Ya Neck" or "U Know" are the type of shit we need from him . He can keep that bullshit in the vaults like that "Psycho" track from 50's album.
Are you kidding? Imagine and Lost One shit on those two instrumentals.
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I never really liked the beat of "Imagine", "Round Here" was way better.
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Not only was Round Here a sample which Dre already used, its almost exactly the same as the original instrumental by dido, which was a mainstream hit. If Dre's going to use samples, then he needs to find more obscure sources and put a creative spin on it, not just add drums.
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Not only was Round Here a sample which Dre already used, its almost exactly the same as the original instrumental by dido, which was a mainstream hit. If Dre's going to use samples, then he needs to find more obscure sources and put a creative spin on it, not just add drums.
for the second time, Dre didn't produce Stan...
there are some other notable ones but these are the ones that do it for me. my taste is pretty particular. 50's 'Talk About Me' is probably another personal favourite 8)
i'd like to see to see some arguments for other dre tracks from the last few years though...
dude, you made a topic about this not too long ago
outta control remix thread is a bi-monthly event hombres :sombrero:
corrupt mod :baseballbat:
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Not only was Round Here a sample which Dre already used, its almost exactly the same as the original instrumental by dido, which was a mainstream hit. If Dre's going to use samples, then he needs to find more obscure sources and put a creative spin on it, not just add drums.
I knew somebody had to fuckin say that. It don't matter if it's a sample, i just like that beat more than the beat of "Imagine".
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Not only was Round Here a sample which Dre already used, its almost exactly the same as the original instrumental by dido, which was a mainstream hit. If Dre's going to use samples, then he needs to find more obscure sources and put a creative spin on it, not just add drums.
for the second time, Dre didn't produce Stan...
regardless, he still mixed the entire album. I can't give him any producing points on Round Here when its already been done before, especially on a project he was overlooking.
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Not only was Round Here a sample which Dre already used, its almost exactly the same as the original instrumental by dido, which was a mainstream hit. If Dre's going to use samples, then he needs to find more obscure sources and put a creative spin on it, not just add drums.
for the second time, Dre didn't produce Stan...
regardless, he still mixed the entire album. I can't give him any producing points on Round Here when its already been done before, especially on a project he was overlooking.
boohoo, so you can only use a sample once in hip hop :P
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Not only was Round Here a sample which Dre already used, its almost exactly the same as the original instrumental by dido, which was a mainstream hit. If Dre's going to use samples, then he needs to find more obscure sources and put a creative spin on it, not just add drums.
for the second time, Dre didn't produce Stan...
regardless, he still mixed the entire album. I can't give him any producing points on Round Here when its already been done before, especially on a project he was overlooking.
boohoo, so you can only use a sample once in hip hop :P
You don't seem to quite understand the point I'm making. It didn't take very much skill to make Round Here, even though yes, the instrumental is dope. He took it straight from another song and added some effects. Dr. Dre is a producing legend. Detox is supposed to be a showcase of his producing skills. The song Round Here was not an example of his amazing producing skills. Its something any producer could've done. hell, if he's going to do that then why not just make new songs over the 2001 instrumentals?
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seems like there is some divided opinion on 'imagine'. i wouldn't like a whole album of tracks like this, but as far as cinematic, mellow bangers (if such a thing exists) go, its masterful.
i could care less for any of the tracks on relapse really. even if you take away eminem, the actual music doesn't really do it for me. bagpipes from baghdad is pretty dope though.
the big, dramatic sounding tracks like 'don't get carried away' and 'underground' are undeniably dope in their own way, but it's not really the musical/rythmic direction that i love or would like to hear much of on detox. there's a particular kind of bounce and groove that dre has mostly strayed away from, but i'm confident we'll get to hear it again.
dawaun parker has commented that dre's own personal sound (the one we will hear on detox) is much more funk/soul influenced compared to say his eminem or 50 cent works. something to look forward to 8)
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seems like there is some divided opinion on 'imagine'. i wouldn't like a whole album of tracks like this, but as far as cinematic, mellow bangers (if such a thing exists) go, its masterful.
i could care less for any of the tracks on relapse really. even if you take away eminem, the actual music doesn't really do it for me. bagpipes from baghdad is pretty dope though.
the big, dramatic sounding tracks like 'don't get carried away' and 'underground' are undeniably dope in their own way, but it's not really the musical/rythmic direction that i love or would like to hear much of on detox. there's a particular kind of bounce and groove that dre has mostly strayed away from, but i'm confident we'll get to hear it again.
dawaun parker has commented that dre's own personal sound (the one we will hear on detox) is much more funk/soul influenced compared to say his eminem or 50 cent works. something to look forward to 8)
dres sound has always been more funk orientated than the stuff he drops for 50 and especially eminem which is more organised, less crazy. I remember hearing beats like still dre, big egos, fuck you instrumentals and be like shiiit, that was pure funk mixed with gangstaaa shit.
I think a beat which is actually kinda bangin is the joint dre did with ti and kobe which got released before it came out in proper version. The instrumental has alot of crazy shit goin on it if u listen properly. Its catchy, kinda funky and that stopwatch clock sorta sound, i cant describe was bangin.
I agree though, where u say last couple of years, it makes it harder to think because dre aint been as active and then suddenly produces a whole eminem album. The eminem album had some nice beats, but nothing detox worthy imo. Alot of it was recycled shit, nice but abit too recycled, then were was one or two kinda niice shit but not in a detox sound way. As in i couldnt imagine dre spittin over it on detox.
In the end in my opinion im sure detox will follow up the sound of chronic and then 2001 with a new sound but it will still be mainly futuristic funk/ headbangin gangsta music but it'll be more sould influenced than previously, which i have no complaints with because i love my soul shit. Also it'll be more musically organised than before, not sure if i want that, i like it when dre just goes wild in the studio but we'll see.
See if you speak of beats since he released 2001, theres so many bangin beats, but if you speak of just recently i think he's been hard creating a new sound, so we dont know where he is with it.
Best bet would be to see his stuff on 50s album and while its not groundbreaking or anything, i think it was nice to see dre's music standing out in comparison to others again, its been a while since i felt like that so i think he is going in the right direction right now. Im sure he got heat locked away now. Im talkin serious heat!
But again with detox it'll be about the whole joint, thats what made 2001 and chronic, the music was brilliant but it was backed up. It didnt have cats like obie trice on it who wouldnt know what to do with amazing music, it had niggaz who could rip a joint and make amazing music do it for him...shiit just speakin this makes me feel sorry for dre, he is in such a difficult situation lol.
One thing for sure is, when the album drops, it'll be dope. He cant spend this long without having bangers, dres too good not to. Whether it worth the time we waited though...thats the tough part of dre.
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"I Like " by Knoc was another creative beat .
Yeah that beat bangs
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dont forget what dj quick said after he heard about 4 hours of detox material :
"he's remixing chopin and symphony stuff, insanity !"
So we might expect some classical orchestrated stuff...
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Detox worthy beats as follows ( all are creative and dope )
1) The Knoc
2) U Know
3) X
4) Break Ya Neck
5) Death to My Enemies
6) Just Dippin'
7) Truck Volume
8) Mentally Disturbed
9) Round Here
10) That leaked Detox track with Nas and Slim Tha Mobster
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dont forget what dj quick said after he heard about 4 hours of detox material :
"he's remixing chopin and symphony stuff, insanity !"
So we might expect some classical orchestrated stuff...
What I would like to see happen on Detox is a combination of big-band orchestra type hip-hop that's anthemic (just blaze olympic beat to eminem's undergound are examples of what i mean) balanced by low-key powerful mellow soul influenced tracks similar to Grow Up & Imagine. I want the album to be like a roller coast that never stops but can take me high above the clouds and low below the sea. Ya dig?
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"Put it On Me " is another one I forgots to mention 8)
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^^^ I never really dug the beat for "The Knoc", the song just didn't do it for me for some reason, rest of the list is pretty dope though
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dont forget what dj quick said after he heard about 4 hours of detox material :
"he's remixing chopin and symphony stuff, insanity !"
So we might expect some classical orchestrated stuff...
What I would like to see happen on Detox is a combination of big-band orchestra type hip-hop that's anthemic (just blaze olympic beat to eminem's undergound are examples of what i mean) balanced by low-key powerful mellow soul influenced tracks similar to Grow Up & Imagine. I want the album to be like a roller coast that never stops but can take me high above the clouds and low below the sea. Ya dig?
oh yeah, that sounds good to me
i'm wondering how crazy im gonna be when i'm actually gonna have the object in my hands in the store, been waiting on that shit for years... it better be dope !!
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Only misinformed people seem to not understand how Dr.Dre works.
He doesn't necessarily create the music but is like a conductor or a tutor.
He's always there watching and tweaking. The final sound is a reflection of Dr. Dre.
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8) Props, I missed this!!
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Not only was Round Here a sample which Dre already used, its almost exactly the same as the original instrumental by dido, which was a mainstream hit. If Dre's going to use samples, then he needs to find more obscure sources and put a creative spin on it, not just add drums.
for the second time, Dre didn't produce Stan...
regardless, he still mixed the entire album. I can't give him any producing points on Round Here when its already been done before, especially on a project he was overlooking.
boohoo, so you can only use a sample once in hip hop :P
You don't seem to quite understand the point I'm making. It didn't take very much skill to make Round Here, even though yes, the instrumental is dope. He took it straight from another song and added some effects. Dr. Dre is a producing legend. Detox is supposed to be a showcase of his producing skills. The song Round Here was not an example of his amazing producing skills. Its something any producer could've done. hell, if he's going to do that then why not just make new songs over the 2001 instrumentals?
nah, i just think you're bickering over nothing.
he made something totally different of the sample, so no it doesn't take away anything from Dre at all.
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am i the only 1 that thinks obie's the set up, ohh! and busta's get you some was on some detox shit? ???
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^especially OHH!!!
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I read big lines of the magazine's scans and I have to correct this
"Detox is the most anticipated hip-hop album ever"
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Not only was Round Here a sample which Dre already used, its almost exactly the same as the original instrumental by dido, which was a mainstream hit. If Dre's going to use samples, then he needs to find more obscure sources and put a creative spin on it, not just add drums.
for the second time, Dre didn't produce Stan...
regardless, he still mixed the entire album. I can't give him any producing points on Round Here when its already been done before, especially on a project he was overlooking.
boohoo, so you can only use a sample once in hip hop :P
You don't seem to quite understand the point I'm making. It didn't take very much skill to make Round Here, even though yes, the instrumental is dope. He took it straight from another song and added some effects. Dr. Dre is a producing legend. Detox is supposed to be a showcase of his producing skills. The song Round Here was not an example of his amazing producing skills. Its something any producer could've done. hell, if he's going to do that then why not just make new songs over the 2001 instrumentals?
nah, i just think you're bickering over nothing.
he made something totally different of the sample, so no it doesn't take away anything from Dre at all.
really? sounds exactly the same, except for the chorus.
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Not only was Round Here a sample which Dre already used, its almost exactly the same as the original instrumental by dido, which was a mainstream hit. If Dre's going to use samples, then he needs to find more obscure sources and put a creative spin on it, not just add drums.
for the second time, Dre didn't produce Stan...
regardless, he still mixed the entire album. I can't give him any producing points on Round Here when its already been done before, especially on a project he was overlooking.
boohoo, so you can only use a sample once in hip hop :P
You don't seem to quite understand the point I'm making. It didn't take very much skill to make Round Here, even though yes, the instrumental is dope. He took it straight from another song and added some effects. Dr. Dre is a producing legend. Detox is supposed to be a showcase of his producing skills. The song Round Here was not an example of his amazing producing skills. Its something any producer could've done. hell, if he's going to do that then why not just make new songs over the 2001 instrumentals?
What about "California Love"?
These two used the very same sample as well;
Ultramagnetic MC´s; "Funky" from their classic Critical Beatdown (1987)
http://www.youtube.com/v/Wq_C01YkmnM&hl=en_US&fs=1
and
EPMD; Knick Knack Patty Wak from Unfinished Business (1989)
http://www.youtube.com/v/cDAM_rmXcf0&hl=en_US&fs=1
He took it straight from another song and added some effects.
or?
A classic tribute to Cali. But would you call that an amazing work of production? There's a big different between that and the song Still Dre. Compare it to the original sample (which, admittedly, scott storch found, but I'm using it just as an example).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9oNHowrg4w
The way they flipped it for Still Dre sounds completely different than the original song. That's what I'm talking about, as far as being creative and coming up with something new.
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Not only was Round Here a sample which Dre already used, its almost exactly the same as the original instrumental by dido, which was a mainstream hit. If Dre's going to use samples, then he needs to find more obscure sources and put a creative spin on it, not just add drums.
for the second time, Dre didn't produce Stan...
regardless, he still mixed the entire album. I can't give him any producing points on Round Here when its already been done before, especially on a project he was overlooking.
boohoo, so you can only use a sample once in hip hop :P
You don't seem to quite understand the point I'm making. It didn't take very much skill to make Round Here, even though yes, the instrumental is dope. He took it straight from another song and added some effects. Dr. Dre is a producing legend. Detox is supposed to be a showcase of his producing skills. The song Round Here was not an example of his amazing producing skills. Its something any producer could've done. hell, if he's going to do that then why not just make new songs over the 2001 instrumentals?
What about "California Love"?
These two used the very same sample as well;
Ultramagnetic MC´s; "Funky" from their classic Critical Beatdown (1987)
http://www.youtube.com/v/Wq_C01YkmnM&hl=en_US&fs=1
and
EPMD; Knick Knack Patty Wak from Unfinished Business (1989)
http://www.youtube.com/v/cDAM_rmXcf0&hl=en_US&fs=1
He took it straight from another song and added some effects.
or?
A classic tribute to Cali.
But would you call that an amazing work of production?
There's a big different between that and the song Still Dre.
Compare it to the original sample (which, admittedly, Scott storch found, but I'm using it just as an example).
Grant Green - Maybe tomorrow
http://www.youtube.com/v/k9oNHowrg4w&hl=en_US&fs=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9oNHowrg4w
The way they flipped it for Still Dre sounds completely different than the original song.
That's what I'm talking about, as far as being creative and coming up with something new.
Creative or not,both "Round here" and "California Love" sounds dope....
I would say he took those samples and took them to a another level (sonically),especially "California Love".
I agree with California Love. While it does sound similar to the EPMD track, the way he remade it was much more clearer and crisper sonically, and all the other effects, the chorus and the entire theme of the song make it perfect.
I've got to disagree on Round Here. While its a nice song and it worked for Snoop, its not deserving to say its Detox worthy.
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Not only was Round Here a sample which Dre already used, its almost exactly the same as the original instrumental by dido, which was a mainstream hit. If Dre's going to use samples, then he needs to find more obscure sources and put a creative spin on it, not just add drums.
for the second time, Dre didn't produce Stan...
regardless, he still mixed the entire album. I can't give him any producing points on Round Here when its already been done before, especially on a project he was overlooking.
boohoo, so you can only use a sample once in hip hop :P
You don't seem to quite understand the point I'm making. It didn't take very much skill to make Round Here, even though yes, the instrumental is dope. He took it straight from another song and added some effects. Dr. Dre is a producing legend. Detox is supposed to be a showcase of his producing skills. The song Round Here was not an example of his amazing producing skills. Its something any producer could've done. hell, if he's going to do that then why not just make new songs over the 2001 instrumentals?
nah, i just think you're bickering over nothing.
he made something totally different of the sample, so no it doesn't take away anything from Dre at all.
really? sounds exactly the same, except for the chorus.
maybe we're not listening to the same songs then
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Not only was Round Here a sample which Dre already used, its almost exactly the same as the original instrumental by dido, which was a mainstream hit. If Dre's going to use samples, then he needs to find more obscure sources and put a creative spin on it, not just add drums.
for the second time, Dre didn't produce Stan...
regardless, he still mixed the entire album. I can't give him any producing points on Round Here when its already been done before, especially on a project he was overlooking.
boohoo, so you can only use a sample once in hip hop :P
You don't seem to quite understand the point I'm making. It didn't take very much skill to make Round Here, even though yes, the instrumental is dope. He took it straight from another song and added some effects. Dr. Dre is a producing legend. Detox is supposed to be a showcase of his producing skills. The song Round Here was not an example of his amazing producing skills. Its something any producer could've done. hell, if he's going to do that then why not just make new songs over the 2001 instrumentals?
What about "California Love"?
These two used the very same sample as well;
Ultramagnetic MC´s; "Funky" from their classic Critical Beatdown (1987)
http://www.youtube.com/v/Wq_C01YkmnM&hl=en_US&fs=1
and
EPMD; Knick Knack Patty Wak from Unfinished Business (1989)
http://www.youtube.com/v/cDAM_rmXcf0&hl=en_US&fs=1
He took it straight from another song and added some effects.
or?
A classic tribute to Cali.
But would you call that an amazing work of production?
There's a big different between that and the song Still Dre.
Compare it to the original sample (which, admittedly, Scott storch found, but I'm using it just as an example).
Grant Green - Maybe tomorrow
http://www.youtube.com/v/k9oNHowrg4w&hl=en_US&fs=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9oNHowrg4w
The way they flipped it for Still Dre sounds completely different than the original song.
That's what I'm talking about, as far as being creative and coming up with something new.
Creative or not,both "Round here" and "California Love" sounds dope....
I would say he took those samples and took them to a another level (sonically),especially "California Love".
I agree with California Love.
While it does sound similar to the EPMD track, the way he remade it was much more clearer and crisper sonically,
and all the other effects, the chorus and the entire theme of the song make it perfect.
I've got to disagree on Round Here. While its a nice song and it worked for Snoop, its not deserving to say its Detox worthy.
Who said its Detox worthy?
This whole thread is about what songs are Detox worthy. That's why we're talking about it.
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^^^ Neither of those beats have anything on California love, interesting to hear the original though
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Not only was Round Here a sample which Dre already used, its almost exactly the same as the original instrumental by dido, which was a mainstream hit. If Dre's going to use samples, then he needs to find more obscure sources and put a creative spin on it, not just add drums.
for the second time, Dre didn't produce Stan...
regardless, he still mixed the entire album. I can't give him any producing points on Round Here when its already been done before, especially on a project he was overlooking.
boohoo, so you can only use a sample once in hip hop :P
You don't seem to quite understand the point I'm making. It didn't take very much skill to make Round Here, even though yes, the instrumental is dope. He took it straight from another song and added some effects. Dr. Dre is a producing legend. Detox is supposed to be a showcase of his producing skills. The song Round Here was not an example of his amazing producing skills. Its something any producer could've done. hell, if he's going to do that then why not just make new songs over the 2001 instrumentals?
What about "California Love"?
These two used the very same sample as well;
Ultramagnetic MC´s; "Funky" from their classic Critical Beatdown (1987)
http://www.youtube.com/v/Wq_C01YkmnM&hl=en_US&fs=1
and
EPMD; Knick Knack Patty Wak from Unfinished Business (1989)
http://www.youtube.com/v/cDAM_rmXcf0&hl=en_US&fs=1
He took it straight from another song and added some effects.
or?
A classic tribute to Cali.
But would you call that an amazing work of production?
There's a big different between that and the song Still Dre.
Compare it to the original sample (which, admittedly, Scott storch found, but I'm using it just as an example).
Grant Green - Maybe tomorrow
http://www.youtube.com/v/k9oNHowrg4w&hl=en_US&fs=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9oNHowrg4w
The way they flipped it for Still Dre sounds completely different than the original song.
That's what I'm talking about, as far as being creative and coming up with something new.
Creative or not,both "Round here" and "California Love" sounds dope....
I would say he took those samples and took them to a another level (sonically),especially "California Love".
I agree with California Love.
While it does sound similar to the EPMD track, the way he remade it was much more clearer and crisper sonically,
and all the other effects, the chorus and the entire theme of the song make it perfect.
I've got to disagree on Round Here. While its a nice song and it worked for Snoop, its not deserving to say its Detox worthy.
Who said its Detox worthy?
This whole thread is about what songs are Detox worthy. That's why we're talking about it.
I know it's the topic... but it went off topic at some point right?
Never the less,who ever said that the "Round here" beat is Detox worthy got low standards.
Not that it's bad or anything,but it lacks that extra little something.
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agreed, but it has the right ingredients
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I once posted on this board a list of tracks where the beats were initially meant for DETOX but ended up going to other people. Lemme see if I can find that post...
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Not only was Round Here a sample which Dre already used, its almost exactly the same as the original instrumental by dido, which was a mainstream hit. If Dre's going to use samples, then he needs to find more obscure sources and put a creative spin on it, not just add drums.
for the second time, Dre didn't produce Stan...
regardless, he still mixed the entire album. I can't give him any producing points on Round Here when its already been done before, especially on a project he was overlooking.
boohoo, so you can only use a sample once in hip hop :P
You don't seem to quite understand the point I'm making. It didn't take very much skill to make Round Here, even though yes, the instrumental is dope. He took it straight from another song and added some effects. Dr. Dre is a producing legend. Detox is supposed to be a showcase of his producing skills. The song Round Here was not an example of his amazing producing skills. Its something any producer could've done. hell, if he's going to do that then why not just make new songs over the 2001 instrumentals?
What about "California Love"?
These two used the very same sample as well;
Ultramagnetic MC´s; "Funky" from their classic Critical Beatdown (1987)
http://www.youtube.com/v/Wq_C01YkmnM&hl=en_US&fs=1
and
EPMD; Knick Knack Patty Wak from Unfinished Business (1989)
http://www.youtube.com/v/cDAM_rmXcf0&hl=en_US&fs=1
He took it straight from another song and added some effects.
or?
A classic tribute to Cali.
But would you call that an amazing work of production?
There's a big different between that and the song Still Dre.
Compare it to the original sample (which, admittedly, Scott storch found, but I'm using it just as an example).
Grant Green - Maybe tomorrow
http://www.youtube.com/v/k9oNHowrg4w&hl=en_US&fs=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9oNHowrg4w
The way they flipped it for Still Dre sounds completely different than the original song.
That's what I'm talking about, as far as being creative and coming up with something new.
Creative or not,both "Round here" and "California Love" sounds dope....
I would say he took those samples and took them to a another level (sonically),especially "California Love".
I agree with California Love.
While it does sound similar to the EPMD track, the way he remade it was much more clearer and crisper sonically,
and all the other effects, the chorus and the entire theme of the song make it perfect.
I've got to disagree on Round Here. While its a nice song and it worked for Snoop, its not deserving to say its Detox worthy.
Who said its Detox worthy?
This whole thread is about what songs are Detox worthy. That's why we're talking about it.
I know it's the topic... but it went off topic at some point right?
Not unless you took it there.
who ever said that the "Round here" beat is Detox worthy got low standards.
agreed.
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I once posted on this board a list of tracks where the beats were initially meant for DETOX but ended up going to other people. Lemme see if I can find that post...
I found it. Here was my request for someone to remix these songs... the beats were made for DETOX, but Dre lost interest and spread them out to others:
Could any of you try doing remixes of Dre vocals with the following instrumentals (leaving the chorus intact)?
1) Get You Some (Busta Rhymes) ----------- If possible, keep Busta's second verse only
2) Outta Control Remix (50 Cent) ------------ If possible, keep 50's verse only, Dre on the second verse and Bishop on the third (remove Mobb Deep)
3) Get Low (Stat Quo) -------------------------- If possible, keep Stat's first verse only
4) Higher (The Game) --------------------------- If possible, keep Game's last verse only
5) OH (Obie Trice) ------------------------------- If possible, put an Xzibit verse first and have a Dre verse on the second verse and an Em verse on the last (remove Obie Trice)
6) Boss's Life (Snoop Dogg feat. Nate Dogg) ------------------- If possible, keep Snoop's second verse
7) No Stoppin' Carson (Bishop Lamont) ------------------------------------ If possible keep Bishop's third verse, replace the first verse with Dre and the second with Em
Lost Ones ----------------------------------- If possible, keep Jay-Zs first verse, put Dre and Nas for verse 2 and 3
I know this seems like a bit of an undertaking but it'll be fun. These beats were all once upon a time intended for DETOX but were quickly passed on to other artists. I'm curious to hear what they would sound like if Dre kept them for DETOX at the time.
Props for anyone that can do it and post it.
Thanks
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I once posted on this board a list of tracks where the beats were initially meant for DETOX but ended up going to other people. Lemme see if I can find that post...
I found it. Here was my request for someone to remix these songs... the beats were made for DETOX, but Dre lost interest and spread them out to others:
Could any of you try doing remixes of Dre vocals with the following instrumentals (leaving the chorus intact)?
1) Get You Some (Busta Rhymes) ----------- If possible, keep Busta's second verse only
2) Outta Control Remix (50 Cent) ------------ If possible, keep 50's verse only, Dre on the second verse and Bishop on the third (remove Mobb Deep)
3) Get Low (Stat Quo) -------------------------- If possible, keep Stat's first verse only
4) Higher (The Game) --------------------------- If possible, keep Game's last verse only
5) OH (Obie Trice) ------------------------------- If possible, put an Xzibit verse first and have a Dre verse on the second verse and an Em verse on the last (remove Obie Trice)
6) Boss's Life (Snoop Dogg feat. Nate Dogg) ------------------- If possible, keep Snoop's second verse
7) No Stoppin' Carson (Bishop Lamont) ------------------------------------ If possible keep Bishop's third verse, replace the first verse with Dre and the second with Em
Lost Ones ----------------------------------- If possible, keep Jay-Zs first verse, put Dre and Nas for verse 2 and 3
I know this seems like a bit of an undertaking but it'll be fun. These beats were all once upon a time intended for DETOX but were quickly passed on to other artists. I'm curious to hear what they would sound like if Dre kept them for DETOX at the time.
Props for anyone that can do it and post it.
Thanks
"I Made It" (Jay-Z) was meant for Detox (well, for Dre, to be more accurate).
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I once posted on this board a list of tracks where the beats were initially meant for DETOX but ended up going to other people. Lemme see if I can find that post...
I found it. Here was my request for someone to remix these songs... the beats were made for DETOX, but Dre lost interest and spread them out to others:
Could any of you try doing remixes of Dre vocals with the following instrumentals (leaving the chorus intact)?
1) Get You Some (Busta Rhymes) ----------- If possible, keep Busta's second verse only
2) Outta Control Remix (50 Cent) ------------ If possible, keep 50's verse only, Dre on the second verse and Bishop on the third (remove Mobb Deep)
3) Get Low (Stat Quo) -------------------------- If possible, keep Stat's first verse only
4) Higher (The Game) --------------------------- If possible, keep Game's last verse only
5) OH (Obie Trice) ------------------------------- If possible, put an Xzibit verse first and have a Dre verse on the second verse and an Em verse on the last (remove Obie Trice)
6) Boss's Life (Snoop Dogg feat. Nate Dogg) ------------------- If possible, keep Snoop's second verse
7) No Stoppin' Carson (Bishop Lamont) ------------------------------------ If possible keep Bishop's third verse, replace the first verse with Dre and the second with Em
Lost Ones ----------------------------------- If possible, keep Jay-Zs first verse, put Dre and Nas for verse 2 and 3
I know this seems like a bit of an undertaking but it'll be fun. These beats were all once upon a time intended for DETOX but were quickly passed on to other artists. I'm curious to hear what they would sound like if Dre kept them for DETOX at the time.
Props for anyone that can do it and post it.
Thanks
"I Made It" (Jay-Z) was meant for Detox (well, for Dre, to be more accurate).
Yeah... this list isn't all of 'em. "Grow Up" by Bishop as well. I'm sure I'm missing a few... oh yeah... "30 Something" by Jay.
Speaking of "Grow Up"... can somebody also do a Remix of that with Dre and Bishop? haha...
Yo Octo, you got my PM?
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I once posted on this board a list of tracks where the beats were initially meant for DETOX but ended up going to other people. Lemme see if I can find that post...
I found it. Here was my request for someone to remix these songs... the beats were made for DETOX, but Dre lost interest and spread them out to others:
Could any of you try doing remixes of Dre vocals with the following instrumentals (leaving the chorus intact)?
1) Get You Some (Busta Rhymes) ----------- If possible, keep Busta's second verse only
2) Outta Control Remix (50 Cent) ------------ If possible, keep 50's verse only, Dre on the second verse and Bishop on the third (remove Mobb Deep)
3) Get Low (Stat Quo) -------------------------- If possible, keep Stat's first verse only
4) Higher (The Game) --------------------------- If possible, keep Game's last verse only
5) OH (Obie Trice) ------------------------------- If possible, put an Xzibit verse first and have a Dre verse on the second verse and an Em verse on the last (remove Obie Trice)
6) Boss's Life (Snoop Dogg feat. Nate Dogg) ------------------- If possible, keep Snoop's second verse
7) No Stoppin' Carson (Bishop Lamont) ------------------------------------ If possible keep Bishop's third verse, replace the first verse with Dre and the second with Em
Lost Ones ----------------------------------- If possible, keep Jay-Zs first verse, put Dre and Nas for verse 2 and 3
I know this seems like a bit of an undertaking but it'll be fun. These beats were all once upon a time intended for DETOX but were quickly passed on to other artists. I'm curious to hear what they would sound like if Dre kept them for DETOX at the time.
Props for anyone that can do it and post it.
Thanks
"I Made It" (Jay-Z) was meant for Detox (well, for Dre, to be more accurate).
So Khalil's had quite a hand with Detox then. I'm surprised we're yet to hear a collabo from the two get released officially