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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: Elano on December 08, 2009, 10:21:32 AM
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Eminem has revealed that he doesn't think his mind was sharp enough on his last album, 'Relapse'.
Speaking about the album, which was his first since 2004's 'Encore', the rapper reasoned that he was still trying to give up drug addiction during the recording process.
"Making 'Relapse', I was still working the drugs out of my system, so there was a lot of... just jokey shit. It was a lot of punchline-y, funny, shock value – kind of going back to 'The Slim Shady LP'," Eminem told Complex.
"It wasn't until I got into songs like 'Stay Wide Awake' that it felt like my mind got sharper. I became more on-point towards the end of recording the album."
With work on the album's follow-up, 'Relapse 2', now approaching completion, Eminem added that he's now more content with his level of songwriting.
"The new material is definitely different," he revealed. "Now I'm going for songs instead of one-liners. I don't want to make shit that you hear once and then the joke's over; I want to make records that you could play a hundred times, a thousand times."
Eminem is due to release an expanded version of 'Relapse', called 'Relapse: Refill', on December 21.
http://www.nme.com/news/eminem/48777
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At least he's admitting it. Now he just has to admit his weird voice accent is a joke and should never be used again and I'll give Relapse 2 a try.
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its just part of the marketing plan...talkin negative on your last album to make the next one more interesting :)
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At least he's admitting it. Now he just has to admit his weird voice accent is a joke and should never be used again and I'll give Relapse 2 a try.
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He has a excuse for every album.
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for real jus like 50 does if he doesnt like how it comes out after the fact
He has a excuse for every album.
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Eminem has revealed that he doesn't think his mind was sharp enough on his last album, 'Relapse'.
Speaking about the album, which was his first since 2004's 'Encore', the rapper reasoned that he was still trying to give up drug addiction during the recording process.
"Making 'Relapse', I was still working the drugs out of my system, so there was a lot of... just jokey shit. It was a lot of punchline-y, funny, shock value – kind of going back to 'The Slim Shady LP'," Eminem told Complex.
"It wasn't until I got into songs like 'Stay Wide Awake' that it felt like my mind got sharper. I became more on-point towards the end of recording the album."
With work on the album's follow-up, 'Relapse 2', now approaching completion, Eminem added that he's now more content with his level of songwriting.
"The new material is definitely different," he revealed. "Now I'm going for songs instead of one-liners. I don't want to make shit that you hear once and then the joke's over; I want to make records that you could play a hundred times, a thousand times."
Eminem is due to release an expanded version of 'Relapse', called 'Relapse: Refill', on December 21.
http://www.nme.com/news/eminem/48777
bullshit!
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i don't care what he says & neither do any of you.
you all know that each & every one of you guys are going to listen to Relapse 2.
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yeah we are cham...but still for him to go out and say that is a dumb move
stop makin excuses...slim
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i don't care what he says & neither do any of you.
you all know that each & every one of you guys are going to listen to Relapse 2.
i'm curious, but i'm definitely not anticipating it.
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i don't care what he says & neither do any of you.
you all know that each & every one of you guys are going to listen to Relapse 2.
Of course we'll listen. It's whether we'll like it.
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i don't care what he says & neither do any of you.
you all know that each & every one of you guys are going to listen to Relapse 2.
i'm curious, but i'm definitely not anticipating it.
i'm always going to be anticipating an Eminem album. ;D
& i have to admit, since Relapse he has progressively gotten stronger.
first the bonus tracks, then the Forever verse, the BET Cypher, all of the Refill tracks have sounded better than some songs off the album.
i don't want to hear this crap either, but let him try to convince other people.
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cham
at what time was em spittin the best
from start to finish when was he spittin best in your opinion?
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cham
at what time was em spittin the best
from start to finish when was he spittin best in your opinion?
from the SSLP to the 8 Mile Soundtrack.
SSLP - classic
MMLP - classic (i think it's his best)
The Eminem Show - a clear step down, but still great stuff.
8 Mile Soundtrack - great music all over this.
i was a fan of Infinite too, but it was a much different sound than anything he's ever dropped.
EDIT: i guess you could say from the SSLP to the MMLP because those are his hands down best pieces of work.
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Posted already but for the benefit of those who haven't read it: http://www.complex.com/CELEBRITIES/Cover-Story/Eminem (http://www.complex.com/CELEBRITIES/Cover-Story/Eminem)
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aite i see that vision cham
but real talk mmlp days were his best and IMO he isnt nuthin near that
the accent is not listenable
he fucks up dre's beats when they're good....not all of the relapse album was good IMO but dre wasted his beats
you'd think he'd come back better than ever and make some of the best muzik ever and try and top his best work like some others do but he didnt
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Posted already but for the benefit of those who haven't read it: http://www.complex.com/CELEBRITIES/Cover-Story/Eminem (http://www.complex.com/CELEBRITIES/Cover-Story/Eminem)
Yeah it's a dope interview, he coems off real honest in that one
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Slap in the face to all the idiots who ran out and spent money on this crap.
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lol
Slap in the face to all the idiots who ran out and spent money on this crap.
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i don't care what he says & neither do any of you.
you all know that each & every one of you guys are going to listen to Relapse 2.
i'm curious, but i'm definitely not anticipating it.
i'm always going to be anticipating an Eminem album. ;D
& i have to admit, since Relapse he has progressively gotten stronger.
first the bonus tracks, then the Forever verse, the BET Cypher, all of the Refill tracks have sounded better than some songs off the album.
i don't want to hear this crap either, but let him try to convince other people.
not sure about that, i need more audio to judge whether he really moved forward
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i don't care what he says & neither do any of you.
you all know that each & every one of you guys are going to listen to Relapse 2.
i'm curious, but i'm definitely not anticipating it.
i'm always going to be anticipating an Eminem album. ;D
& i have to admit, since Relapse he has progressively gotten stronger.
first the bonus tracks, then the Forever verse, the BET Cypher, all of the Refill tracks have sounded better than some songs off the album.
i don't want to hear this crap either, but let him try to convince other people.
not sure about that, i need more audio to judge whether he really moved forward
i doubt we hear much, if any until his next album.
maybe a feature or two; i know he was working with Budden the other day.
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Is slim still using? It was nothing like the slim shady LP. imo that is one of the best albums of the past 10 years. I wish he could go back to his SSLP days but i think he's gone to gimmicky now and maybe jimmy thinks it wouldn't sell.
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that accent on relapse was all about appealing to his main fanbase the white boys .. it was white rap at its finest
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that accent on relapse was all about appealing to his main fanbase the white boys .. it was white rap at its finest
i personally believe he did it for his flow.
he could rhyme virtually any two words together, especially with his questionable lyrical content.
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So that means we gon get some real hard Eminem shit this time? Somebody piss this dude the fuck offfffffffffff. We need that 8 Mile OST shit.
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that accent on relapse was all about appealing to his main fanbase the white boys .. it was white rap at its finest
i personally believe he did it for his flow.
he could rhyme virtually any two words together, especially with his questionable lyrical content.
Yeah that was my opinion as well, he could basically rhyme anything and keep it in the flow. Either way, I don't want to see him repeat the accent lol
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At least he's admitting it. Now he just has to admit his weird voice accent is a joke and should never be used again and I'll give Relapse 2 a try.
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yall shittin' y'all selves a little bit
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just sayin
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I like Relapse, I just don't find it funny. If that was his goal than he failed. Though, it's a great concept album...even if he never intended it to be one. I think the serial killer metaphor for his drug addiction is wonderful. It's that serious for Eminem. It is disappointing to hear that wasn't his intention but aye it still plays out like that so!
Relapse is dope. Loved Encore, which was probably his most forthcoming honest record.
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that accent on relapse was all about appealing to his main fanbase the white boys .. it was white rap at its finest
If Eminem is white then MMLP is white rap, and if the accent is white rap at it's finest then Relapse is better than MMLP. And if MMLP is better than most black rap albums then white rap at it's finest would be better than most rap albums.
So you basically just said that Relapse is better than Doggfather and ...I Am. I'm sorry but I can't agree with that.
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I like Relapse, I just don't find it funny. If that was his goal than he failed. Though, it's a great concept album...even if he never intended it to be one. I think the serial killer metaphor for his drug addiction is wonderful. It's that serious for Eminem. It is disappointing to hear that wasn't his intention but aye it still plays out like that so!
Relapse is dope. Loved Encore, which was probably his most forthcoming honest record.
Where did he say it was supposed to be funny? Relapse was about proving to himself that he could spit like no other, crazy flow, rhymes, punchlines, metaphors, similies, Em's always been the dopest at strictly rhyming, and he proved that he still had it on Relapse. Take away the accent and half the rhymes/flows woulda come a little disjointed...
Relapse II is going to be more about song writing, instead of strictly rapping from what I gather, which is why I have high hopes for it...
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I love how Internet cats twist a situation into something it isn't. Like Eminem is apologizing for making a shitty album. All he's doing is explaining what his thought process was.
its just part of the marketing plan...talkin negative on your last album to make the next one more interesting :)
There's kind of a big hole in that theory in that his next album won't be out for at least another four months. Meanwhile, the album he's so called "talkin negative" on is about to re-released in two weeks. That's some clever marketing on his part.
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I like Relapse, I just don't find it funny. If that was his goal than he failed. Though, it's a great concept album...even if he never intended it to be one. I think the serial killer metaphor for his drug addiction is wonderful. It's that serious for Eminem. It is disappointing to hear that wasn't his intention but aye it still plays out like that so!
Relapse is dope. Loved Encore, which was probably his most forthcoming honest record.
Where did he say it was supposed to be funny? Relapse was about proving to himself that he could spit like no other, crazy flow, rhymes, punchlines, metaphors, similies, Em's always been the dopest at strictly rhyming, and he proved that he still had it on Relapse. Take away the accent and half the rhymes/flows woulda come a little disjointed...
Relapse II is going to be more about song writing, instead of strictly rapping from what I gather, which is why I have high hopes for it...
No offence but you must not have read the Eminem in the article.
"Making 'Relapse', I was still working the drugs out of my system, so there was a lot of... just jokey shit. It was a lot of punchline-y, funny, shock value – kind of going back to 'The Slim Shady LP'," Eminem told Complex.
He's said this plenty of times before in different interviews too. None of them are really funny, not even the lead single.
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The accent doesn't even bother me. I actually find it dope. Hell Encore is my favorite Em album and Rain Man is my favorite Em track. I'm just disappointed that he wanted it to be funny rather than talking about how it could be a concept album (in all the interviews i've listened or read it doesn't come across like it was meant to be a concept album)
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Nah I read that complex interview like a week ago, and I've never got the vibe he wanted to make a comedy album from any of his interviews. He says "Jokey shit", by that I read that he means it wasn't a serious album, more just rapping and talking shit, not actually trying to make a comedy album. The album was just to prove to himself he could still spit with the best, and then he went and shut down the top 3 commercial rappers all on the same track, so I think he proved his point lol...
I see where you're coming from that he never mentions it was a concept album, which is kind of strange. Maybe it wasn't, but all the tracks ended up in that direction because of the drugs still being in his system, and his mindstate at the time. Either way, it comes off as a dope concept album so even if he didn't intend it, shit's aite with me...
You must be the first person I've ever hear say Encore was your favourite album, good shit on having your own opinion though, about half of that album was real dope to me, 50 spat on of his dopest verses on "Never Enough" as well...
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i thought RELAPSE was dope, and it is still in my 6-disc changer in my truck. was hoping for relapse 2 too come out this december- very disapointed about this bonus disc album,
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I love how Internet cats twist a situation into something it isn't. Like Eminem is apologizing for making a shitty album. All he's doing is explaining what his thought process was.
well he's clearly not satisfied with Relapse
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I love how Internet cats twist a situation into something it isn't. Like Eminem is apologizing for making a shitty album. All he's doing is explaining what his thought process was.
well he's clearly not satisfied with Relapse
it was shit.
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I love how Internet cats twist a situation into something it isn't. Like Eminem is apologizing for making a shitty album. All he's doing is explaining what his thought process was.
well he's clearly not satisfied with Relapse
it was shit.
lol i wouldn't say that, but it's easily the worst Dr.Dre produced album
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:laugh:at u suckaz that went out and spent money on this shitty ass album...my god even the man himself says it in so many ways....he aint the same no more..let him rest in peice.. along with with detox.
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Goddamn can some of you not read?
He's saying toward the end of the recording, he got better, and that the best music came late.
So the message here is that the stuff he had put aside for Relapse 2 doesn't match the new material he's created and that he's prioritizing over the old stuff. This should raise not lower your expectations of the new album.
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Relapse is a great album; excluding skits, tracks like 3 A.M., My Mom, Bagpipes, Hello, Same Song, Stay Wide Awake, Old Times Sake, Ganja, Deja Vu, Beautiful, Crack A Bottle, Underground stay on steady repeat + all the tracks on Refill (minus Taking My Ball). Album of the year for me easilly.
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I dunno about album of the year. Fashawn, Raekwon and the Clipse are strong contenders but its probably in my top 5
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like he's one song says: "See children, drugs are bahhhd" :laugh:
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Nah I read that complex interview like a week ago, and I've never got the vibe he wanted to make a comedy album from any of his interviews. He says "Jokey shit", by that I read that he means it wasn't a serious album, more just rapping and talking shit, not actually trying to make a comedy album. The album was just to prove to himself he could still spit with the best, and then he went and shut down the top 3 commercial rappers all on the same track, so I think he proved his point lol...
I see where you're coming from that he never mentions it was a concept album, which is kind of strange. Maybe it wasn't, but all the tracks ended up in that direction because of the drugs still being in his system, and his mindstate at the time. Either way, it comes off as a dope concept album so even if he didn't intend it, shit's aite with me...
You must be the first person I've ever hear say Encore was your favourite album, good shit on having your own opinion though, about half of that album was real dope to me, 50 spat on of his dopest verses on "Never Enough" as well...
It's not my favourite album but my favourite Eminem album. It's him at a crossroads in his career. He's been called out for his usage of the N-word. His peers and the public are questioning him. Additionally, he just told his entire life story between the Eminem Show and 8 Mile. What else is there for him to say? Eminem manages to capture an artist in a total state of confusion. He's at the crossroads. It's completely honest effort. Dare I say It's amazing piece of work that seems to go over most heads.
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Em also said awhile back that when he listens to MMLP he thinks he sounded a little off beat with his ryhmes and everyone considers that his best album so I don't know why people trippin on him mentioning the jokey vibe in relapse. I aint much of a eminem fan myself i kinda gave up on a lot of the new rap thats out today cause im pushin 30 and still stuck on the 90's-early 00's shit but compared to all the crap thats been cranked out this year i would consider relapse one of the better rap albums of this year. the accent was realllly annoying on encore but for some reason it didnt bother me much this time and he used some crazy flows on songs like stay wide awake
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Relapse is a great album; excluding skits, tracks like 3 A.M., My Mom, Bagpipes, Hello, Same Song, Stay Wide Awake, Old Times Sake, Ganja, Deja Vu, Beautiful, Crack A Bottle, Underground stay on steady repeat + all the tracks on Refill (minus Taking My Ball). Album of the year for me easilly.
I agree. Eminem doesn't really need to make excuses for the album, as far as I'm concerned. I know it's pretty typical of artists to do that, when they're plugging their next album. But even if there's some truth to what he's saying here, I still think the album turned out very well. I'll admit I was a little weirded out at first by the now infamous "accents," but after a few listens, I got to where I didn't even really notice them. I'll concede that they're probably unnecessary, but I'd almost prefer them to the voice he was using post-"Marshal Mathers LP" that had become increasingly more of just yelling over every track than just rapping at a normal volume. Flow-wise, I think he was much more on point on Relapse than he was on "Encore," as well. Yeah. Sometimes he raps about silly shit. But he makes it sound much better in a flow than a lot of artists can do with serious subject matter.
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At least he's admitting it. Now he just has to admit his weird voice accent is a joke and should never be used again and I'll give Relapse 2 a try.
Word. At least he's admitting it. I was startin to wonder if him and Dre realized how much Em's work had fallen off since the success of 8 Mile. Because on one of the bonus tracks he still maintains that Encore was as great as his other records, he has to realize that it was a far cry from his previous work.
But just because he says his new material is better doesn't mean it really is, because he said the same thing about Encore and Relapse.
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yeah, Eminem is just about off the radar nowadays.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0_75f-0PdY
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Weak excuse.
Artists make there best music when on drugs.
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ever since he made the accent up and got tha GAY MAN ASS FACED deliberately (supposidly) it's just been downhill for Eminem. It's about time he should start talking to the Beastie Boys for after career advice. Eminem killed his own career, could u imagine how hard Eminem would be w/o the accents and gay subject matter and dumb ass hooks on Relapse & Encore and not getting ASS FACED by a Gay Man at the awards?
i know he was trying to be in a happy zone but damn, it's like he wanted to fuck his shit up. and "Beautiful" is pretty average & squeeky voiced (when he's singin) imo, i dont see what the hype is about, but i guess the track served it's purpose.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-VeyExmKrs
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At least he's admitting it. Now he just has to admit his weird voice accent is a joke and should never be used again and I'll give Relapse 2 a try.
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I love how Internet cats twist a situation into something it isn't. Like Eminem is apologizing for making a shitty album. All he's doing is explaining what his thought process was.
well he's clearly not satisfied with Relapse
But it's nothing new for an artist. Lots of them find the problems in their work that even the fans don't care about. Dre is clearly not satisfied with both these albums he did but if he said that in an interview, I doubt anyone woulf write "Dr. Dre apologizes for the poor quality of "The Chronic"." People are twisting the perception because THEY didn't like the album. They're making it out like he disowned the project.
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Relapse had the potential to be a dope ass album but alot of beats were wasted on average/weak tracks and that was mainly due to the accent, I had a phase at first where I was sort of into the album but it got old really fast, especially after so many doper albums dropped
I still bump "3 A.M.", "Stay Wide Awake", "Must Be The Ganja", "Deja Vu", "Beautfiul", and "Underground" though, and as long as Relapse 2 will be better that makes up for everything 8)
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eminem is a good rapper but he isnt good enough for me to cop his shyt, i never bought any of his cds ever. he always been overrated to me for some reason...he has a great sense of humor no doubt but he aint what people make him to be...i dont think i even listened to relapse yet since i downloaded that bitch
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I dont care wat yall say i love that cd 8) Dooope as beats and Eminems flow is on point , but not really feeling the accent thing but i got over it. Bagpipes from Baghdad and Deja Vu , two of the best songs of 2009
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The drums on Deja Vu are sick as fuck
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I love how Internet cats twist a situation into something it isn't. Like Eminem is apologizing for making a shitty album. All he's doing is explaining what his thought process was.
well he's clearly not satisfied with Relapse
But it's nothing new for an artist. Lots of them find the problems in their work that even the fans don't care about. Dre is clearly not satisfied with both these albums he did but if he said that in an interview, I doubt anyone woulf write "Dr. Dre apologizes for the poor quality of "The Chronic"." People are twisting the perception because THEY didn't like the album. They're making it out like he disowned the project.
yeah but Dre is paranoid.
anyway, you're right, but Eminem is definitely making excuses
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good lookin out another person statin that hes overrated
the amount of units em has sold equals to the amont of rappers better than him...lol
but damn hes overrated than a mutha
i mean raekwon, even u-god and ins can do better than em
who is eminem? lol
eminem is a good rapper but he isnt good enough for me to cop his shyt, i never bought any of his cds ever. he always been overrated to me for some reason...he has a great sense of humor no doubt but he aint what people make him to be...i dont think i even listened to relapse yet since i downloaded that bitch
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Em would outrap both of them. The biggest problem Eminem faces is his content pushes away the listeners. Early on he was too nasally but now he sounds doper than before (with or without accent). :)
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damn i guess we gon get into alotta debates action
but you think em is better than raekwon?
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damn i guess we gon get into alotta debates action
but you think em is better than raekwon?
yea..even Rea is in my top 3 mc with Stick n Em but Relapse is waaaay bether then OBCL II
and Rea isnt drop hot shit since 98..on the real :)
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Eminem is a lyrical monster. Always has been. He's one of the illest MCs alive and will go down in Hip Hop history as one of the greatest. Hate him or love him, his skill stands for itself on all fronts and aspects of being an artist as well as an MC. Even those that can't stand him or are annoyed by his recent accent and/or gross subject matter... his skill and influence can never be denied.
I think he's a very wack producer and singer, though :P God... I really can't stand his beats. And I hate his singing... aside from "Halle's Song", "I Remember" and the chorus to "Marshall Mathers".
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I love his first 4 albums way more then Relapse (specifically TMMLP/TES Do the fact the content is more serious, and the over the top lyrics are just a part and not the whole album like TSSLP Which I also love).
I mean the motherfucker can make a dope album we've seen this 3 times (Encore was degraded in lyrical quality, as such was a sub-par album like relapse compared to the 3 previous mentions).
Its just he makes TO much about the gay sex, and shit. Guy needs to make more serious and darker shit like before. Not just bashing celebs, gay jokes, his mom, and over the top shit.
Still a Eminem fan, but the fact his ass is blaming Drug Use is bullshit. Cause the faggot said he was off and this was him starting get a new fire lite up.Instead his ass dropped a album which could of actually be (like 2001 could of been). A very deep and personal album on reflection. Instead, we get a song were he gets fucked by his uncle.
He talked about Taboo subjects before, but he also had it driven with in Hip-hop, and interesting ideas and concepts (Stan, Kim) and also kept his lyrics on real political shit (Columbine, The Government) and even on a some what Street Level with songs talking about Poverty, and just various ideals of street life. He also clearly showed his position on his alternate persona in a variety of songs to critics who believed he was that insane, and even got personal on a variety of tracks.
The point is, its bullshit that this guy can do a lot of dope and creative shit and is blowing it on gay jokes, and just generic celeb bashing.
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GET YOUR WALK ON, I was just poking at you.
Actually, I've never enjoyed Raekown besides select tracks (C.R.E.A.M, Pyrex Vision, Walk With Me, Don't Sniff the Flowers). I don't understand the love people have for him; especially, this year with the release of OB4CL2. The album had a couple dope cuts but eh I wasn't feeling it. To me he's boring as hell. I want to fall asleep.
I'm a huge fan of Masta Killa.
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??? From what i heard before his album came out hes basically just re-stating it. That was what he was trying to go for with the album, his process of detoxing and it was called Relapse cause he was coming down from big drug usage.
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??? From what i heard before his album came out hes basically just re-stating it. That was what he was trying to go for with the album, his process of detoxing and it was called Relapse cause he was coming down from big drug usage.
No doubt, that's exactly what it is...
GET YOUR WALK ON, I don't see how you can deny his skill, it's not an opinion, it's a fact that Em is one of the most skilled emcees on the planet. Take away his content and look directly at his flow, and rhymes and you've got the dopest rapper out. Why does he outshine every single rapper whos track he guests on? Cos he's that dope
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yeah but see how action thinks rae is borin same here wit em
hes one of the most overrated of all time his production sounds the same and he pretty much is cryin on his records when dre gives him some dope beats
but rae isnt the best but ill take rae over em anyday
ob4cl2>>>>>>the eminem show, encore, re-up, relapse, refill
rae's album wasnt bangin entirely but it is fresh and is one of the best albums in a minute
and dubsmith_nz
i understand the whole theory of em bein dope and one of the best rappers ever...but IMO thats the problem wit him and that whole issue...i think it was blown outta proportion back in tha day and to some hes carried it over album after album but thats not the case IMO
simply put hes a borin rapper overall
masta killa>>>>>
raekwon>>>>
gza>>>>>
i mean theres a gang of rappers that are better than em but IMO he was white and caught more attention than the gza's, raekwon, and others
be interestin to see how many white people bought eminems album vs raekwon albums
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No hate coming from me towards Rae's music but what's so fresh about OB4CL2?
To me, it's just a remake of his first album with some production that sounds like it could have been made in the late 90s.
Maybe it's just a feeling you get when you listen to it. If that's it, that's cool but if someone could highlight why Raekwon's album is so superior to to other hip-hop albums this year. I'd really like to know.
I'm a get hate for this but I just see him as the 90's Rick Ross (without take an L). By that I mean Rick Ross is the 2000's version of Rae.
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No hate coming from me towards Rae's music but what's so fresh about OB4CL2?
the guy who makes it, no futher reason.
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well part of the reason its fresh is cuz of the freshness of the muzik...lol
so the person executive producin the album did a nice job and made the album sound dope almost entirely with bangers almost all thru-out the album
but if rza had more direction and control over it IMO could have been classic
but that album sounds much doper than alotta the other albums
krs one,epmd album is up there too but not many others come close to those
part of the reason ems album isnt that dope is cuz em is a overrated rapper and he makes albums sound wack (at least recently)
same with 50, cuz that bisd is garbage and one of the worst albums EVER
rae might not be the best rapper alive....but hes millions of miles better than rick ross...fuck record sales cuz rapper vs rapper rae got rick ross for days when it comes to the mic and thats when rae is spittin which isnt always
gza is still a beast on the mic and goin strong its these industry fuck faces that take the shine away from the dope rappers
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yeah but see how action thinks rae is borin same here wit em
hes one of the most overrated of all time his production sounds the same and he pretty much is cryin on his records when dre gives him some dope beats
but rae isnt the best but ill take rae over em anyday
ob4cl2>>>>>>the eminem show, encore, re-up, relapse, refill
rae's album wasnt bangin entirely but it is fresh and is one of the best albums in a minute
and dubsmith_nz
i understand the whole theory of em bein dope and one of the best rappers ever...but IMO thats the problem wit him and that whole issue...i think it was blown outta proportion back in tha day and to some hes carried it over album after album but thats not the case IMO
simply put hes a borin rapper overall
masta killa>>>>>
raekwon>>>>
gza>>>>>
i mean theres a gang of rappers that are better than em but IMO he was white and caught more attention than the gza's, raekwon, and others
be interestin to see how many white people bought eminems album vs raekwon albums
man you lost..Rea sound the same since cream :)..same flow rhyme schame topic's and all that...
and go listinf Em SSLP then MMLP then TES he changing the sound the chame the flow..thats why he's the best mc out ;)
but you look hard now when u say hes overrated... its ok 8)
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lol ^^^^
em isnt the best mc out
rakim got him days ago...be easy wit the whole em is the best mc out
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Rakim's shit is weak, i mean last album ::)
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Rakim's shit is weak, i mean last album ::)
i thought it was great, but i mean, nothing new brought to the table; nothing groundbreaking.
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Rakim's shit is weak, i mean last album ::)
i thought it was great, but i mean, nothing new brought to the table; nothing groundbreaking.
same Ra like in 94.. ;D
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it wasnt at all but
rakims album>>>>>>anythin em can spit
now the production em gets is somethin else as in thats a different story but as far as rapper vs rapper
rakim murders em like its nuthin
but rakims album should have been much better and was a big let down but what he can still spit is what matters and he spits better now than before IMO
Rakim's shit is weak, i mean last album ::)
i thought it was great, but i mean, nothing new brought to the table; nothing groundbreaking.
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Rebel and get you walk on spit truth.
Whether you like it or not, eminem will got down as one of the best to do it and for his earlier shit, its fair enough. im not the biggest sslp fan but its a dope dope debut album, especially for his white fans. MMLP imo will go down as his greatest and its a bangin album and then after that, its all kinda mixed. Eminem show wasnt for me, encore was one of the worst hiphop releases for a major act ever, i dont care how many times action will tell the world he loves it or how many posters bosnoi boy has of eminem, lets be fair, his one of the biggest eminem groupies going, dudes makes chamillionaire seem like an objective poster...i mean u hating on rakim for his last album not having the same fire as his previous shit and saying eminems better but u completely discarding the fact eminems last two albums have consisted of encore which is something rakim will never EVER put out an album as bad as and relapse which while eminems flow was on point at times, was lyrically horrible for much of the album and you could easily tell he was still suffering from writers block and all the other shit at the time. Even eminem said its not a dope album lol, or something of the sorts. Refills an EP, its okay...but lets see his next album.
That being said, eminem when he gets his shit correct is near the best, he DEFINATELY is not the best, he can come the best at times, thats without doubt and he def has left a legacy for himself when he hangs up the mic but he aint the best, no chance of that.
As for reakwon, cats calling him boring and then bumping bishop lamont? 50cent? banks? Ahhh some of the cats on here give me too much jokes. I wouldnt go as far as saying rae is better than eminem, but he can spit on a level and as for rakim, well, i dont even need to speak on him, dudes discovery speaks for himself.
Eminem though y'all cant deny will go down as one of the best ever and fair enough, he done alot of dope shit and can be a monster at times, but he aint goin down as the best ever, thats fo sho imo, i still consider cats like nas above him and jigga while he might not be at a level with eminem on the mic, dudes easily more versatile, only snoop can possibly say he more versatile than jigga on the mic...luda possibly too, dudes a beast but his albums aint really held up for a minute now.
All i gotta say about eminem is he'll go down as in the top ten or twenty within hiphop, at the end of the day, the effect he had for a white kid is huge, but he gets overhyped bu white kids for it but i wont deny he can be a beast, but he needs to step it up bigtime on relapse two imo. Not an album full of stupid shit, lets see some dope motherfuckin songs, you aint a kid nomore, show some fucking growth in the music man. He did say his working on making classics on his next album rather than just spitting shit, so we could be in for something dope. He got just blaze in there with him, so that could give him a fresh angle, we'll see. I think judging by his verses on forever and the lil wayne joint, im liking the aggressive flow in it but he sounds comfortable at the moment spittin it whereas before he was mumbling alot of shit, didnt seem right. Could be a good omen, we'll see.
pz
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^oh, but i am objective, you just don't agree with that i say. 8)
EDIT: don't act like you don't come into every Eminem thread & give some sort of negative feed about him lol; always downsizing him & what-not.
anyway, no one is hating on Rakim; people are just saying that his last album was great, but to consider it "classic" is out of the question.
this is why guys like Bishop Lamont will never get a chance, because people like you belittle him to nothing when he is clearly one of the best up & coming guys. i would take The Reformation right now over a new Rae album, to want a third remake of OB4CL is ridiculous.
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Here's my just thinking off my head,
Raekown's career is a joke. His albums, if you can them "his", are all heavily guest features. He's not criticised because of this because he's from the Wu. It's Okay! "His" greatest release OB4CL was over a decade ago and the only way for him to stay relevant was to release an updated version of it. Come on Wu fans are the biggest hypocrites I know. They say other rappers need x amount of verses (50 cent) but when Rae doesn't follow the formula it's okay. His beats are all dated but they're given acclaim because "they've vintage." He's past his prime. He stills raps about the same shit and gets a pass. You critique Em with show some growth in the music but Rae gets a pass. Get out of here with that shit.
And, I ain't even hating on Rae right now as much as I am hating on his fans for being such hyprocrites when it comes to their critiques of other artists. I know I don't like much of Rae's music becuase I find how flow and his vocals boring plus his subject matter boring. I ain't cooking crack and hearing 39 year old rap about that bores me.
As for Eminem's Encore it's my personal favorite from Eminem and I've always argued that from a personal ponit. I don't even listen to old Em cause I can't stand his voice. I'm still shocked Dre co-signed him years ago. How does anyone stand that nasal?
Rakim's album was dope but was it the end all be all like the single showed promise of? No.
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show me a track where Rae spits with the same passion as Banks? Banks may not paint a vivid picture of cooking crack like Rae but I'm positive Rae will put someone to sleep before Banks will.
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^oh, but i am objective, you just don't agree with that i say. 8)
EDIT: don't act like you don't come into every Eminem thread & give some sort of negative feed about him lol; always downsizing him & what-not.
anyway, no one is hating on Rakim; people are just saying that his last album was great, but to consider it "classic" is out of the question.
this is why guys like Bishop Lamont will never get a chance, because people like you belittle him to nothing when he is clearly one of the best up & coming guys. i would take The Reformation right now over a new Rae album, to want a third remake of OB4CL is ridiculous.
oh we def don't agree on much, luckily but we do both think cham is on some next shit so we good there ;)
as for eminem, im pretty sure i just gave him his props for his verse on the joint with lil wayne just in another eminem thread and just in here i gave him his props for his verse on forever, his older shit and called him one of the best to do it...selective attention much? yes i said some critical stuff too but eminem fans catch feelings to quick when it comes to the 'great white hope' lol...
As for bishop lamont...up n coming? dudes past 30, he is way past up n coming and not given a chance? dude dropped a first single which had dre production on it, was funded for many mixtapes such a confessional etc...not given a chance? most niggaz would have given an arm to be in the situation he was in, get the fuck outta here with that bullshit...in the end, u gotta make some sorta appeal to, thus far he aint. I aint even hating on bishop, im just saying, how u gonna diss rae than be loving some banks bullshit and bishop shit..i wasnt being critical of them, i was jus saying rae done had a career, banks aint done shit, his albums were both average and and bishop aint done nothin past a mixtape.
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Rakim is the GOAT, imo. I don't think there will ever be a lyricist on Ra's level... EVER. The closest ever to come to his level would be Big Daddy Kane and Kool Mo Dee. Now in terms of an all around MC? That's highly debatable. There are lyricists... there are rappers... and there are MCs. And no, I did not graduate from KRS-ONE's Temple of Hip Hop :P
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Rakim is the GOAT, imo. I don't think there will ever be a lyricist on Ra's level... EVER. The closest ever to come to his level would be Big Daddy Kane and Kool Mo Dee. Now in terms of an all around MC? That's highly debatable. There are lyricists... there are rappers... and there are MCs. And no, I did not graduate from KRS-ONE's Temple of Hip Hop :P
how do you say Eminem is not one of the top lyricists ever? in his prime he was unreal.
even the "GOAT" says so, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLfZI-5hxFk :P
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Rakim is the GOAT, imo. I don't think there will ever be a lyricist on Ra's level... EVER. The closest ever to come to his level would be Big Daddy Kane and Kool Mo Dee. Now in terms of an all around MC? That's highly debatable. There are lyricists... there are rappers... and there are MCs. And no, I did not graduate from KRS-ONE's Temple of Hip Hop :P
how do you say Eminem is not one of the top lyricists ever? in his prime he was unreal.
even the "GOAT" says so, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLfZI-5hxFk :P
I never denied that. In fact, I made a point to clarify his greatness in Hip Hop in this very thread. Em is one of the best MCs of all time and I am definately a big Eminem fan... I'm just acknowledging that I believe Rakim is the greatest lyricist ever in Hip Hop. Why do you think history calls him the "God MC"?
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Rakim is the GOAT, imo. I don't think there will ever be a lyricist on Ra's level... EVER. The closest ever to come to his level would be Big Daddy Kane and Kool Mo Dee. Now in terms of an all around MC? That's highly debatable. There are lyricists... there are rappers... and there are MCs. And no, I did not graduate from KRS-ONE's Temple of Hip Hop :P
how do you say Eminem is not one of the top lyricists ever? in his prime he was unreal.
even the "GOAT" says so, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLfZI-5hxFk :P
that interviewer always annoyed me.
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Rakim is the GOAT, imo. I don't think there will ever be a lyricist on Ra's level... EVER. The closest ever to come to his level would be Big Daddy Kane and Kool Mo Dee. Now in terms of an all around MC? That's highly debatable. There are lyricists... there are rappers... and there are MCs. And no, I did not graduate from KRS-ONE's Temple of Hip Hop :P
how do you say Eminem is not one of the top lyricists ever? in his prime he was unreal.
even the "GOAT" says so, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLfZI-5hxFk :P
I never denied that. In fact, I made a point to clarify his greatness in Hip Hop in this very thread. Em is one of the best MCs of all time and I am definately a big Eminem fan... I'm just acknowledging that I believe Rakim is the greatest lyricist ever in Hip Hop. Why do you think history calls him the "God MC"?
in 15 years, history will look back & see from 2005-2015 Lil' Wayne was the greatest rapper alive; history isn't a reliable source for me. :P
but i do legitamize your argument, since you admit to your fanhood of Eminem; i didn't see your previous posts. :-[
Rakim is the GOAT, imo. I don't think there will ever be a lyricist on Ra's level... EVER. The closest ever to come to his level would be Big Daddy Kane and Kool Mo Dee. Now in terms of an all around MC? That's highly debatable. There are lyricists... there are rappers... and there are MCs. And no, I did not graduate from KRS-ONE's Temple of Hip Hop :P
how do you say Eminem is not one of the top lyricists ever? in his prime he was unreal.
even the "GOAT" says so, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLfZI-5hxFk :P
that interviewer always annoyed me.
LOL, he's a fucking weirdo! :laugh:
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good points
im not sayin em is wack but hell never be on rakims level ever
im sayin raekwon is better and doper than em is, but em can rap jus not the best and never has but the mtvs have overhyped him
ill take dope bishop traxx over eminem at his best
what holds em together for the main part is the production he is provided with, otherwise would he be as dope? dont think so
but rakim, bishop, raekwon and others are dope even with wack production
i mean if big daddy kane put some bomb muzik together hed kill em
face, and others em be nobody
Rebel and get you walk on spit truth.
Whether you like it or not, eminem will got down as one of the best to do it and for his earlier shit, its fair enough. im not the biggest sslp fan but its a dope dope debut album, especially for his white fans. MMLP imo will go down as his greatest and its a bangin album and then after that, its all kinda mixed. Eminem show wasnt for me, encore was one of the worst hiphop releases for a major act ever, i dont care how many times action will tell the world he loves it or how many posters bosnoi boy has of eminem, lets be fair, his one of the biggest eminem groupies going, dudes makes chamillionaire seem like an objective poster...i mean u hating on rakim for his last album not having the same fire as his previous shit and saying eminems better but u completely discarding the fact eminems last two albums have consisted of encore which is something rakim will never EVER put out an album as bad as and relapse which while eminems flow was on point at times, was lyrically horrible for much of the album and you could easily tell he was still suffering from writers block and all the other shit at the time. Even eminem said its not a dope album lol, or something of the sorts. Refills an EP, its okay...but lets see his next album.
That being said, eminem when he gets his shit correct is near the best, he DEFINATELY is not the best, he can come the best at times, thats without doubt and he def has left a legacy for himself when he hangs up the mic but he aint the best, no chance of that.
As for reakwon, cats calling him boring and then bumping bishop lamont? 50cent? banks? Ahhh some of the cats on here give me too much jokes. I wouldnt go as far as saying rae is better than eminem, but he can spit on a level and as for rakim, well, i dont even need to speak on him, dudes discovery speaks for himself.
Eminem though y'all cant deny will go down as one of the best ever and fair enough, he done alot of dope shit and can be a monster at times, but he aint goin down as the best ever, thats fo sho imo, i still consider cats like nas above him and jigga while he might not be at a level with eminem on the mic, dudes easily more versatile, only snoop can possibly say he more versatile than jigga on the mic...luda possibly too, dudes a beast but his albums aint really held up for a minute now.
All i gotta say about eminem is he'll go down as in the top ten or twenty within hiphop, at the end of the day, the effect he had for a white kid is huge, but he gets overhyped bu white kids for it but i wont deny he can be a beast, but he needs to step it up bigtime on relapse two imo. Not an album full of stupid shit, lets see some dope motherfuckin songs, you aint a kid nomore, show some fucking growth in the music man. He did say his working on making classics on his next album rather than just spitting shit, so we could be in for something dope. He got just blaze in there with him, so that could give him a fresh angle, we'll see. I think judging by his verses on forever and the lil wayne joint, im liking the aggressive flow in it but he sounds comfortable at the moment spittin it whereas before he was mumbling alot of shit, didnt seem right. Could be a good omen, we'll see.
pz
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good points
im not sayin em is wack but hell never be on rakims level ever
im sayin raekwon is better and doper than em is, but em can rap jus not the best and never has but the mtvs have overhyped him
ill take dope bishop traxx over eminem at his best
what holds em together for the main part is the production he is provided with, otherwise would he be as dope? dont think so
but rakim, bishop, raekwon and others are dope even with wack production
i mean if big daddy kane put some bomb muzik together hed kill em
face, and others em be nobody
Wassup, man?
I have to respectfully disagree with a couple of those points. As far as production and Eminem, Em never really had great production. His earlier materiel was over very simple beats. Why it was so accepted was because most people liked Em then, Em was fresh, hungry and shockingly entertaining. The Dre beats, in particular, that Em rhymes over now is far more complex and "thumpy" than anything he ever did for Em back in the day. The only difference is, is that Em doesn't spit like he used to. As for MTV hyping him... well I believe it was well deserved. When Em first came out he brought a storm of creativity and entertainment unlike anything before. I think fans just naturally root for the underdog. When someone is on top for so long, people become far more nitpicky and critical of the artist and look for any possible reason to jump the "he is overated, he's so wack now, he only appeals to white people" bandwagon. Some people just got tired of everyone loving or talking about Em all the time. But that is an argument dealing with fans and media, not the skill of the artist.
The problem is when you get many young listeners who became Eminem fans without any knowledge of the Rakims, Kanes, KRS'...etc. They thing Em is the GOAT but don't know the revolutionary impact of say... "Paid in Full" or "36 Chambers".
But of course, this is all my opinion... and I definately respect yours.
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thats waz up rebel and good lookin on respondin
my take is ems albums have been dope but have been saved by dres beats
on the other hand
raekwon, rza, gza albums have been dope yeah cuz of the dope production but not many can touch gza on the mic IMO
and rakims choice of production hasnt been the best thru out his career but lyrically hes top 10, where as em shouldnt be in the top 10
again good lookin wit the debate
good points
im not sayin em is wack but hell never be on rakims level ever
im sayin raekwon is better and doper than em is, but em can rap jus not the best and never has but the mtvs have overhyped him
ill take dope bishop traxx over eminem at his best
what holds em together for the main part is the production he is provided with, otherwise would he be as dope? dont think so
but rakim, bishop, raekwon and others are dope even with wack production
i mean if big daddy kane put some bomb muzik together hed kill em
face, and others em be nobody
Wassup, man?
I have to respectfully disagree with a couple of those points. As far as production and Eminem, Em never really had great production. His earlier materiel was over very simple beats. Why it was so accepted was because most people liked Em then, Em was fresh, hungry and shockingly entertaining. The Dre beats, in particular, that Em rhymes over now is far more complex and "thumpy" than anything he ever did for Em back in the day. The only difference is, is that Em doesn't spit like he used to. As for MTV hyping him... well I believe it was well deserved. When Em first came out he brought a storm of creativity and entertainment unlike anything before. I think fans just naturally root for the underdog. When someone is on top for so long, people become far more nitpicky and critical of the artist and look for any possible reason to jump the "he is overated, he's so wack now, he only appeals to white people" bandwagon. Some people just got tired of everyone loving or talking about Em all the time. But that is an argument dealing with fans and media, not the skill of the artist.
The problem is when you get many young listeners who became Eminem fans without any knowledge of the Rakims, Kanes, KRS'...etc. They thing Em is the GOAT but don't know the revolutionary impact of say... "Paid in Full" or "36 Chambers".
But of course, this is all my opinion... and I definately respect yours.
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^oh, but i am objective, you just don't agree with that i say. 8)
EDIT: don't act like you don't come into every Eminem thread & give some sort of negative feed about him lol; always downsizing him & what-not.
anyway, no one is hating on Rakim; people are just saying that his last album was great, but to consider it "classic" is out of the question.
this is why guys like Bishop Lamont will never get a chance, because people like you belittle him to nothing when he is clearly one of the best up & coming guys. i would take The Reformation right now over a new Rae album, to want a third remake of OB4CL is ridiculous.
agreed
^oh, but i am objective, you just don't agree with that i say. 8)
EDIT: don't act like you don't come into every Eminem thread & give some sort of negative feed about him lol; always downsizing him & what-not.
anyway, no one is hating on Rakim; people are just saying that his last album was great, but to consider it "classic" is out of the question.
this is why guys like Bishop Lamont will never get a chance, because people like you belittle him to nothing when he is clearly one of the best up & coming guys. i would take The Reformation right now over a new Rae album, to want a third remake of OB4CL is ridiculous.
oh we def don't agree on much, luckily but we do both think cham is on some next shit so we good there ;)
as for eminem, im pretty sure i just gave him his props for his verse on the joint with lil wayne just in another eminem thread and just in here i gave him his props for his verse on forever, his older shit and called him one of the best to do it...selective attention much? yes i said some critical stuff too but eminem fans catch feelings to quick when it comes to the 'great white hope' lol...
As for bishop lamont...up n coming? dudes past 30, he is way past up n coming and not given a chance? dude dropped a first single which had dre production on it, was funded for many mixtapes such a confessional etc...not given a chance? most niggaz would have given an arm to be in the situation he was in, get the fuck outta here with that bullshit...in the end, u gotta make some sorta appeal to, thus far he aint. I aint even hating on bishop, im just saying, how u gonna diss rae than be loving some banks bullshit and bishop shit..i wasnt being critical of them, i was jus saying rae done had a career, banks aint done shit, his albums were both average and and bishop aint done nothin past a mixtape.
LOL yeah he was given a chance by Dre, but interscope isn't behind it. Grow up got pulled remember?
Bishop Lamont can't do nothing about it, except drop music
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LyRiCaL_G i rember u from shadyblock forum, or some shit like that,u open up some topics abaut, he's amazing flow and lyrcs,but ok u are G :-[
I mean Rakim is Rakim did he bether than Em? dont know but i know, Eminem is best in last decade,Rakim was in he's decade right know he just living on old fame ;) ;)
Get walk on u are bullshiter for real...yea i'm white but my fav mc is black so u lost :D
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LyRiCaL_G i rember u from shadyblock forum, or some shit like that,u open up some topics abaut, he's amazing flow and lyrcs,but ok u are G :-[
I mean Rakim is Rakim did he bether than Em? dont know but i know, Eminem is best in last decade,Rakim was in he's decade right know he just living on old fame ;) ;)
Get walk on u are bullshiter for real...yea i'm white but my fav mc is black so u lost :D
wrong, i dont even know what the fuck a shadyblock forum is. ::) i checked up d12world a few times a long long time ago but when i read the amount of bullshit eminem groupies spit on that forum, i just couldnt hack joining, you should join though, you'd fit in right in. I try n keep it dubcc strictly ;-)
Basic point, we agree to disagree on eminem. I think he is beast on his day but i think others are better than him. After relapse 2, we'll see how good he really is. He surely cant drop three below par albums in a row with the amount of backing he has behind him...right?
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^oh, but i am objective, you just don't agree with that i say. 8)
EDIT: don't act like you don't come into every Eminem thread & give some sort of negative feed about him lol; always downsizing him & what-not.
anyway, no one is hating on Rakim; people are just saying that his last album was great, but to consider it "classic" is out of the question.
this is why guys like Bishop Lamont will never get a chance, because people like you belittle him to nothing when he is clearly one of the best up & coming guys. i would take The Reformation right now over a new Rae album, to want a third remake of OB4CL is ridiculous.
agreed
^oh, but i am objective, you just don't agree with that i say. 8)
EDIT: don't act like you don't come into every Eminem thread & give some sort of negative feed about him lol; always downsizing him & what-not.
anyway, no one is hating on Rakim; people are just saying that his last album was great, but to consider it "classic" is out of the question.
this is why guys like Bishop Lamont will never get a chance, because people like you belittle him to nothing when he is clearly one of the best up & coming guys. i would take The Reformation right now over a new Rae album, to want a third remake of OB4CL is ridiculous.
oh we def don't agree on much, luckily but we do both think cham is on some next shit so we good there ;)
as for eminem, im pretty sure i just gave him his props for his verse on the joint with lil wayne just in another eminem thread and just in here i gave him his props for his verse on forever, his older shit and called him one of the best to do it...selective attention much? yes i said some critical stuff too but eminem fans catch feelings to quick when it comes to the 'great white hope' lol...
As for bishop lamont...up n coming? dudes past 30, he is way past up n coming and not given a chance? dude dropped a first single which had dre production on it, was funded for many mixtapes such a confessional etc...not given a chance? most niggaz would have given an arm to be in the situation he was in, get the fuck outta here with that bullshit...in the end, u gotta make some sorta appeal to, thus far he aint. I aint even hating on bishop, im just saying, how u gonna diss rae than be loving some banks bullshit and bishop shit..i wasnt being critical of them, i was jus saying rae done had a career, banks aint done shit, his albums were both average and and bishop aint done nothin past a mixtape.
LOL yeah he was given a chance by Dre, but interscope isn't behind it. Grow up got pulled remember?
Bishop Lamont can't do nothing about it, except drop music
dre-day im proud to say i feel you have stepped up your game alot over the years, you a good poster who i agree with quite abit AT TIMES these days.
Anyway yeh he was given a chance by dre, not many at all can say that and with that comes alot of perks too. He wouldnt have been able to drop the quality of mixtapes and amount he dropped with the production he had on them if he was anywhere else imo. However itts easy for people to blame interscope for not being behind him. By signing him they showed him backing, sure it was a dre signing, but interscope has to back it for it to happen, they did. He had a few times to try and get big, he was getting in the way of 50/eminem n dre and for interscope and both times, first with feel on it (i love the instrumental to that joint) and then with grow up he really created no buzz. Sure interscope kinda pulled the plug on grow up after initial mixed reactions and apparently dre not feeling the tune was the right one or something, i cant even remember but he had backing with feel on it too but that never went anywhere.
As a business, interscope have boardmembers/shareholders to answer too and so on im guessing and they must have yearly targets they need to meet. If they feel bishop aint making the moves and they need someone else out who is more likely to get them success, they have to go about there business and do it. Bishop was given more backing than most new niggaz will EVER get in todays climate. But when you have 50 n eminem waiting on dre and interscope waiting on dre, sooner or later u gotta say, 'dre check it, bishop aint doing shit, we need numbers and money, u need to focus on getting eminem n 50 out and your own shit, because bishop aint lookin like blowing up yet' and i think thats a fair assessment. Maybe bishop will come out after detox if that ever comes out and if he is on it.
I actually agree with u but i dont think bishop can really be lookin on waiting for interscope n dre no more. He just needs to drop music. Surely even on the sidelines being with dre for so long must have given him plenty of links within the music industry and he just needs to keep releasing music like u said.
I'll actually be checkin the team america mixtape once it drops fully, should have some dope cuts in it but honestly, bishop is not someone im goin out my way to check up on, its not like im hating on it, he just aint hit me like that yet. But i still check on his music, maybe its the dre connection of the westcoast factor, i dunno lol
my bad about the bigassssss post 8)
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I agree that he's had some support from Interscope but you all are acting like he was pushed and properly presented to the public which he has not been. If you want an example of someone who is new and has backing look at Drake or someone slightly older look at Game. Lil Wayne threw himself behind Drake and 50 threw himself behind Game. Without these two people showing love they would not have broken through into the mainstream. Has Bishop Lamont had that? No. This is true for most artists - without Dre, Eminem would not have broken through. Without Eminem it's unlikley 50 would have broken through with the same impact. Bishop Lamont has not had this. Show me the single where Dr.Dre and him rap together. There isn't one. They're either going to let him try to build up his own steam; wait until Detox drops to showcase the new talent of Interscope; let him stay in label hell; or drop him.
Either way Bishop has done more than a lot of cats can ever claim.
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^oh, but i am objective, you just don't agree with that i say. 8)
EDIT: don't act like you don't come into every Eminem thread & give some sort of negative feed about him lol; always downsizing him & what-not.
anyway, no one is hating on Rakim; people are just saying that his last album was great, but to consider it "classic" is out of the question.
this is why guys like Bishop Lamont will never get a chance, because people like you belittle him to nothing when he is clearly one of the best up & coming guys. i would take The Reformation right now over a new Rae album, to want a third remake of OB4CL is ridiculous.
agreed
^oh, but i am objective, you just don't agree with that i say. 8)
EDIT: don't act like you don't come into every Eminem thread & give some sort of negative feed about him lol; always downsizing him & what-not.
anyway, no one is hating on Rakim; people are just saying that his last album was great, but to consider it "classic" is out of the question.
this is why guys like Bishop Lamont will never get a chance, because people like you belittle him to nothing when he is clearly one of the best up & coming guys. i would take The Reformation right now over a new Rae album, to want a third remake of OB4CL is ridiculous.
oh we def don't agree on much, luckily but we do both think cham is on some next shit so we good there ;)
as for eminem, im pretty sure i just gave him his props for his verse on the joint with lil wayne just in another eminem thread and just in here i gave him his props for his verse on forever, his older shit and called him one of the best to do it...selective attention much? yes i said some critical stuff too but eminem fans catch feelings to quick when it comes to the 'great white hope' lol...
As for bishop lamont...up n coming? dudes past 30, he is way past up n coming and not given a chance? dude dropped a first single which had dre production on it, was funded for many mixtapes such a confessional etc...not given a chance? most niggaz would have given an arm to be in the situation he was in, get the fuck outta here with that bullshit...in the end, u gotta make some sorta appeal to, thus far he aint. I aint even hating on bishop, im just saying, how u gonna diss rae than be loving some banks bullshit and bishop shit..i wasnt being critical of them, i was jus saying rae done had a career, banks aint done shit, his albums were both average and and bishop aint done nothin past a mixtape.
LOL yeah he was given a chance by Dre, but interscope isn't behind it. Grow up got pulled remember?
Bishop Lamont can't do nothing about it, except drop music
dre-day im proud to say i feel you have stepped up your game alot over the years, you a good poster who i agree with quite abit AT TIMES these days.
Anyway yeh he was given a chance by dre, not many at all can say that and with that comes alot of perks too. He wouldnt have been able to drop the quality of mixtapes and amount he dropped with the production he had on them if he was anywhere else imo. However itts easy for people to blame interscope for not being behind him. By signing him they showed him backing, sure it was a dre signing, but interscope has to back it for it to happen, they did. He had a few times to try and get big, he was getting in the way of 50/eminem n dre and for interscope and both times, first with feel on it (i love the instrumental to that joint) and then with grow up he really created no buzz. Sure interscope kinda pulled the plug on grow up after initial mixed reactions and apparently dre not feeling the tune was the right one or something, i cant even remember but he had backing with feel on it too but that never went anywhere.
As a business, interscope have boardmembers/shareholders to answer too and so on im guessing and they must have yearly targets they need to meet. If they feel bishop aint making the moves and they need someone else out who is more likely to get them success, they have to go about there business and do it. Bishop was given more backing than most new niggaz will EVER get in todays climate. But when you have 50 n eminem waiting on dre and interscope waiting on dre, sooner or later u gotta say, 'dre check it, bishop aint doing shit, we need numbers and money, u need to focus on getting eminem n 50 out and your own shit, because bishop aint lookin like blowing up yet' and i think thats a fair assessment. Maybe bishop will come out after detox if that ever comes out and if he is on it.
I actually agree with u but i dont think bishop can really be lookin on waiting for interscope n dre no more. He just needs to drop music. Surely even on the sidelines being with dre for so long must have given him plenty of links within the music industry and he just needs to keep releasing music like u said.
I'll actually be checkin the team america mixtape once it drops fully, should have some dope cuts in it but honestly, bishop is not someone im goin out my way to check up on, its not like im hating on it, he just aint hit me like that yet. But i still check on his music, maybe its the dre connection of the westcoast factor, i dunno lol
my bad about the bigassssss post 8)
thanks :) i appreciate your honesty.
i've gained more respect for you over time as well: you're cool in my book 8) i appreciate the positive attitude.
about interscope: yeah off course they've given the green light a few times, when it involved Bishop Lamont, but they never really showed that they wanted him to shine.
he just gets the stat quo treatment.
i really think he's trying to make the best out of the situation.
and i respect your opinion about bishop off course :)
also, nothing wrong with a large post :D
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LyRiCaL_G i rember u from shadyblock forum, or some shit like that,u open up some topics abaut, he's amazing flow and lyrcs,but ok u are G :-[
I mean Rakim is Rakim did he bether than Em? dont know but i know, Eminem is best in last decade,Rakim was in he's decade right know he just living on old fame ;) ;)
Get walk on u are bullshiter for real...yea i'm white but my fav mc is black so u lost :D
wrong, i dont even know what the fuck a shadyblock forum is. ::) i checked up d12world a few times a long long time ago but when i read the amount of bullshit eminem groupies spit on that forum, i just couldnt hack joining, you should join though, you'd fit in right in. I try n keep it dubcc strictly ;-)
Basic point, we agree to disagree on eminem. I think he is beast on his day but i think others are better than him. After relapse 2, we'll see how good he really is. He surely cant drop three below par albums in a row with the amount of backing he has behind him...right?
i remeber the name... i mean encore is wack as fuck but thats only bad album 4/5 ..thats real..we see R2 whats he cooking ;)
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I was never a fan of "Feel On It" for Bishop to come with that track as a single was weak, very weak