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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: woof on December 16, 2009, 09:03:23 PM
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In the current issue of VIBE, Allen Hughes breaks his silence regarding the 1993 altercation between he and Tupac. Their dispute stemmed from Pac losing the role of Shariff in their film, Menace II Society. Pac was later convicted of assault and battery.
The biggest misnomer is that me and Tupac got into any fight. It was me and 12 Crips that he got to jump me. He didnt do shit, Allen claims. Tupac didnt lay a hand on me. I had my hands on him. But there was not a physical fight between me and Tupac. It was a physical fight between me and 12 gangbangers. I believe they are called the Rolling 40s and they rolled me up pretty good.
Allen adds: Tupac was an artist. Tupac was not a gangbanger. Tupac could not fight to save his motherfucking life. I know that for a fact. He was an immensely gifted person and he was far, far, from a thug. He lets out a deep sigh. I think thats just years of frustration that just came out.
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lmao this guy has no cred
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lmao what a pathetic loser, talking shit 13 years after he died??
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what a bitch!!!
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He finally decided to talk now, untill now he belived 2pac is alive living with Bruce Lee in Cuba as undercover agent and that CIA sent him there to spy on Castro, finally when all theories didnt prove to be true he decided to talk. Werd.
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I've heard before that Pac couldn't fight for shit.
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People get to hooked on an image. I love Pac. But i wouldnt doubt this too much. While I do admit Pac probably could fight a bit, I wouldnt be surprised if other guys jumped in for Pac
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"Tupac could not fight to save his motherfucking life. I know that for a fact"
LOL thatīs the reason why pac died...a Middle finger at this fuckin dude named allen Hughes!!!
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Why does everybody have this overwhelming need to lick Tupacs balls? The dude was (most likely) a total asshole from what we've heard. He was also a real big tough guy when you got a dozen other people kicking a guy on the ground (right before he died at the Tyson fight), but who knows how tough he was if it was one on one. I know its hard for you guys to accept but Tupac was pretty much a piece of shit. He hated on the man that got him his biggest hit (Dr. Dre), talked shit about somebody he knew nothing about and then pussed out when he finally saw him (Nas), beat up on Sam Sneed when he has a room of ppl backing him up, and coincidently became a lot tougher and more bad ass when he is standing behind fat ass Suge Knight. How convenient. Take the motherfucker off the pedastal already. He was a great rapper but a piece of shit as a human being.
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Sadly, Hughes is telling the truth. Pac had a huge ego. Additionally, he had a pretty tight control of his image. He was an artist that claimed to be a thug. His actual lifestyle didn't mirror someone who's been forced to live a life. As an artist he chose to highlight the issues. But, it's clear to me Pac had a lot of issues. He had a damn dish wish. He couldn't let go and just let shit be.
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If you have 12 people fighting for you then you are a bitch! Alan is speaking the truth. Why is everybody sucking Tupac's balls on this board?
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If you have 12 people fighting for you then you are a bitch! Alan is speaking the truth. Why is everybody sucking Tupac's balls on this board?
Didnt pac say he has only one ball since one got blown away, guess everybody on this forums are sucking his BALL then. ;D
Anyway its easy to kick someones ass when u have 12 gangbangers with u so thats shady, but whats retarded on the same level is speak about it after 12 years and actin hard LOL
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Why does everybody have this overwhelming need to lick Tupacs balls? The dude was (most likely) a total asshole from what we've heard. He was also a real big tough guy when you got a dozen other people kicking a guy on the ground (right before he died at the Tyson fight), but who knows how tough he was if it was one on one. I know its hard for you guys to accept but Tupac was pretty much a piece of shit. He hated on the man that got him his biggest hit (Dr. Dre), talked shit about somebody he knew nothing about and then pussed out when he finally saw him (Nas), beat up on Sam Sneed when he has a room of ppl backing him up, and coincidently became a lot tougher and more bad ass when he is standing behind fat ass Suge Knight. How convenient. Take the motherfucker off the pedastal already. He was a great rapper but a piece of shit as a human being.
amen to that
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I've heard before that Pac couldn't fight for shit.
i heard this to from amy man (j-love)..he said pac couldn't fight,but had alot of hart.(real talk)
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and these cats gest no love on this bullshit...talking like a busta to the fullest.....he should have said this in 96.
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to all the people talking about "allen is saying the truth"
if Pac didn't even touch them, why was he convicted instead of the other 12 guys
just one thing I don't understand
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I love Pac's music. Ever since Digital Underground. But he wasn't a gangster, he was an artist. That was essentially why he died. He started to believe his own press. Watch the security cam video of his group stomping Orlando. He wasn't a thug. If he knew the streets, he would have known that ganging up on Orlando would have to bring a response. And it did. In the passenger seat of Suge's car. That is the law of the streets.
Heard a real gangster talking about Tupac and Big's murders. He said that real gangsters don't sing and dance and rap. They bang. Love his work, but Pac lost perspective at the end.
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to all the people talking about "allen is saying the truth"
if Pac didn't even touch them, why was he convicted instead of the other 12 guys
just one thing I don't understand
I am not saying it is true or false, but if I was this filmmaker I'd rather sue an artist financially wealthy than 12 gang members. Plus he probably only knew 2Pac in the bunch.
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2pac, on Arsenio Hall in 1994, the day before he went to court vs the Hughes brother:
"One ran, one stayed. the Hughes brothers are 200 pounds. i walked up by myself to these twins, i'm 165, and i started talking. and it grew to an arguement and we got into a fight. it ain't like i just jumped on them, these 2 suckers tried to fight me and then then turned around like I jumped them"
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Why does everybody have this overwhelming need to lick Tupacs balls? The dude was (most likely) a total asshole from what we've heard. He was also a real big tough guy when you got a dozen other people kicking a guy on the ground (right before he died at the Tyson fight), but who knows how tough he was if it was one on one. I know its hard for you guys to accept but Tupac was pretty much a piece of shit. He hated on the man that got him his biggest hit (Dr. Dre), talked shit about somebody he knew nothing about and then pussed out when he finally saw him (Nas), beat up on Sam Sneed when he has a room of ppl backing him up, and coincidently became a lot tougher and more bad ass when he is standing behind fat ass Suge Knight. How convenient. Take the motherfucker off the pedastal already. He was a great rapper but a piece of shit as a human being.
He was a far better human being than people tend give him credit for. What other artist do you know gave as much money, time, and accomodation to the less fortunate than he did? As far as his thug image, he took it on full force, and sometimes bit off more than he could chew, because 2Pac was powerful on the mic, but he was no knock out fighter by any means. The thug image was more of a portrayal/spokesperson of young black frustrated males. If people believe 2Pac was some big gangster, or great fighter then people are just being biased, he was none of those things. He did have the family backround of the Panthers, and troubled up-bringing (mother addicted to crack) and so on.
Also Dre never gave 2Pac his biggest hits (his biggest is Changes) and California Love was handed over reluctantly or forcefully being a better word by Suge Knight, as well as the other beat on All Eyez On Me! The sneed incident is sketchy so we can't put blame on 2Pac, but yeh certainly - he'd be a b!tch for that if he had any major involvement, but 2Pac was hardly the kind to be able to carry out such a task, but I agree with your pedastal comment
On what Hughes said.. 2Pac & around 10 crips? This I doubt, and from other peoples comments surrounding this pair (cast & co-workers) I'd take 2Pacs word over theirs
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heaven forbid that anyone should speak ill of 2pac! ::) tbh you've gotta be some kinda bitch to have 12 dudes jump someone for you, and i can understand why this guy wouldn't want to talk about it when he was still around
but why dont we all just move on now, sounds like a lotta shit happened over nothing to me :-\
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Dude!! Everybody knows 2pac was not a gangbanger!!! that fool is telling us what we already know! 2pac never claimed a gang! He just had homies and kicked with fools in gangs! 2Pac was a "street nigga" and is why he said he was a thug! He specifically says, "i say im a thug because im from the gutter" not because of the fucken definition in the dictionary! 2Pac was a good guy but just like many of us that grow up in fucked up areas and lifestyles, sometimes bring out the rage in you and you deal with it in your own way! You are what u live!! He had a pretty disfunctional life growing up! And about 2Pac not knowing how to fight? 80% of motherfuckers dont even know how to fight anyways! Only cuz you beat someone when you were 7 dont mean you can fight! Thats why when lames fight now a days they think they bad ass, not knowing that the fool they beat sucks balls and u just a lil better! hahaha!! The hughes brother is a lame to talk about this shit now!!
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how come this guy never told the judge about these 12 gang bangers with 2pac?
jesus christ some of you 2pac haters need to get off the mans dick.
i'm not saying Pac was a thug, but this is a HUGE Detail to never talk about for 16 years
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I love Pac's music. Ever since Digital Underground. But he wasn't a gangster, he was an artist. That was essentially why he died. He started to believe his own press. Watch the security cam video of his group stomping Orlando. He wasn't a thug. If he knew the streets, he would have known that ganging up on Orlando would have to bring a response. And it did. In the passenger seat of Suge's car. That is the law of the streets.
Heard a real gangster talking about Tupac and Big's murders. He said that real gangsters don't sing and dance and rap. They bang. Love his work, but Pac lost perspective at the end.
I know real gangstas that rap ns hit!!! Dresta, BG Knockoutt and Tray D!! So fuck that real gangster you heard it from! that fag just hating cuz thats all he can do!!! Tell him to get a fucken job!!! HAHA
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I love Pac's music. Ever since Digital Underground. But he wasn't a gangster, he was an artist. That was essentially why he died. He started to believe his own press. Watch the security cam video of his group stomping Orlando. He wasn't a thug. If he knew the streets, he would have known that ganging up on Orlando would have to bring a response. And it did. In the passenger seat of Suge's car. That is the law of the streets.
Heard a real gangster talking about Tupac and Big's murders. He said that real gangsters don't sing and dance and rap. They bang. Love his work, but Pac lost perspective at the end.
I know real gangstas that rap ns hit!!! Dresta, BG Knockoutt and Tray D!! So fuck that real gangster you heard it from! that fag just hating cuz thats all he can do!!! Tell him to get a fucken job!!! HAHA
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violent j and shaggy 2 dope were also gang bangers before rapping
same with MC Juice
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Bitch or not...Hughes is right, Tupac wasnt no gangsta lol. Comin up I was a big Pac fan...but real shit, he wasnt a gangsta. As a rapper, he was tight for sure. Everybody gives Lil Wayne shit (and he deserves it, fuck him...) because he started claimin Blood AFTER he got famous....but how much different is that then Pac turnin into a thug AFTER he got famous? I love Pac.....but I still gotta be real about it.
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Anybody in this thread that is talking shit about pac for portraying to be a gangbanger is a fucken ignorant fool!!! You dumb asses obviously did not follow Pac enough to know what he was about and everything he went through! Whoever says that Pac was not a good person is also a fucken doofus!! If that was the case, than why does everybody always say positive things about him, even after his death? Get off his nut already and stop hating! I bet you that half of this fuckers talking shit cant fight either and are also portraying to be hard by talking shit about PAc!! Lame ass, hardcore, ultimate fighting fakes!!!!! Get off his NUT!!!
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anyone who thoroughly takes a look at 2pac's career and life would notice the gangsta image started when Pac and Stretch became best friends
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I love Pac's music. Ever since Digital Underground. But he wasn't a gangster, he was an artist. That was essentially why he died. He started to believe his own press. Watch the security cam video of his group stomping Orlando. He wasn't a thug. If he knew the streets, he would have known that ganging up on Orlando would have to bring a response. And it did. In the passenger seat of Suge's car. That is the law of the streets.
Heard a real gangster talking about Tupac and Big's murders. He said that real gangsters don't sing and dance and rap. They bang. Love his work, but Pac lost perspective at the end.
I know real gangstas that rap ns hit!!! Dresta, BG Knockoutt and Tray D!! So fuck that real gangster you heard it from! that fag just hating cuz thats all he can do!!! Tell him to get a fucken job!!! HAHA
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violent j and shaggy 2 dope were also gang bangers before rapping
same with MC Juice
LMAO, bangin wit their KISS-makeup on!? i bet detroit was never safe back then..
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Anybody in this thread that is talking shit about pac for portraying to be a gangbanger is a fucken ignorant fool!!! You dumb asses obviously did not follow Pac enough to know what he was about and everything he went through! Whoever says that Pac was not a good person is also a fucken doofus!! If that was the case, than why does everybody always say positive things about him, even after his death? Get off his nut already and stop hating! I bet you that half of this fuckers talking shit cant fight either and are also portraying to be hard by talking shit about PAc!! Lame ass, hardcore, ultimate fighting fakes!!!!! Get off his NUT!!!
Listen to yourself homeboy. Youre talkin about people bein on somebody elses nuts? Did you just read how you defended this man you dont know like he was your husband?! If you truly "followed" Pac like u think u do...youd know he wasnt a gangsta. How many real Gs do u know!? Im guessin none if u think Pac was some strait G. Like I said, on some rap shit...Pac was that dude. Were there better RAPPERS? Yes. But he had that "it" factor that pushed him over the top. Pac was a Westcoast muhafucka. If he was a G....what set? Theres no such thing as a Death Row Gang.
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I love Pac's music. Ever since Digital Underground. But he wasn't a gangster, he was an artist. That was essentially why he died. He started to believe his own press. Watch the security cam video of his group stomping Orlando. He wasn't a thug. If he knew the streets, he would have known that ganging up on Orlando would have to bring a response. And it did. In the passenger seat of Suge's car. That is the law of the streets.
Heard a real gangster talking about Tupac and Big's murders. He said that real gangsters don't sing and dance and rap. They bang. Love his work, but Pac lost perspective at the end.
I know real gangstas that rap ns hit!!! Dresta, BG Knockoutt and Tray D!! So fuck that real gangster you heard it from! that fag just hating cuz thats all he can do!!! Tell him to get a fucken job!!! HAHA
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violent j and shaggy 2 dope were also gang bangers before rapping
same with MC Juice
LMAO, bangin wit their KISS-makeup on!? i bet detroit was never safe back then..
(http://www.mugshots.net/insane_clown_posse/insane_clown_posse.jpg)
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Bitch or not...Hughes is right, Tupac wasnt no gangsta lol. Comin up I was a big Pac fan...but real shit, he wasnt a gangsta. As a rapper, he was tight for sure. Everybody gives Lil Wayne shit (and he deserves it, fuck him...) because he started claimin Blood AFTER he got famous....but how much different is that then Pac turnin into a thug AFTER he got famous? I love Pac.....but I still gotta be real about it.
The difference is, 2Pac came into his recording career speaking on harsh reality and social issues, and giving an insight to the public and potential fans into some neglected topics that needed to be spoken on by devoting entire songs to Drug addition, Teen pregnancy, police brutality etc, compared to Lil Wayne who (besides Hot Boys who weren't even that hot) came in rapping watered down southern "commercial gangsta rapper" imagery BS. More importantly 2Pac signed to a label that had genuine blood association, that employed former bloods, who had some B-side roster that grew up and around real blood neighborhoods. I know your point is slightly different, but 2Pac was a powerful speaker, and wanted to be a spokesperson for a lot of different people, his Thug Life persona was just one taking on the Representative role of the moral majority of young black males in the ghettos, and even defined his Thug Life motto around it all. Granted, it was exploited and blown up by 2Pac & his management a bit for mainstream controversy to make money, but an inner look at his work would show that he really encouraged his listeners to "think". Look at the 'When Thugs Cry' chorus for instance
The main fault of 2Pac was running his own mouth without thinking, and dissing people that shouldn't have been dissed. There's a lot on the list
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I love Pac's music. Ever since Digital Underground. But he wasn't a gangster, he was an artist. That was essentially why he died. He started to believe his own press. Watch the security cam video of his group stomping Orlando. He wasn't a thug. If he knew the streets, he would have known that ganging up on Orlando would have to bring a response. And it did. In the passenger seat of Suge's car. That is the law of the streets.
Heard a real gangster talking about Tupac and Big's murders. He said that real gangsters don't sing and dance and rap. They bang. Love his work, but Pac lost perspective at the end.
I know real gangstas that rap ns hit!!! Dresta, BG Knockoutt and Tray D!! So fuck that real gangster you heard it from! that fag just hating cuz thats all he can do!!! Tell him to get a fucken job!!! HAHA
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violent j and shaggy 2 dope were also gang bangers before rapping
same with MC Juice
LMAO, bangin wit their KISS-makeup on!? i bet detroit was never safe back then..
(http://www.mugshots.net/insane_clown_posse/insane_clown_posse.jpg)
Lol. That picture is hilarious. I don't even like a lot of the music that ICP has put out, especially in recent years. But those guys look a lot more like hardened criminals than half the so-called G's that are mainstream rap artists.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWnfTkaPlq4
You gonna tell me the ICP are not gangsta's who make gangsta-ass rap? listen to this track
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B14Ye4FBKjA
gangsta ass shit
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I wouldnt be surprised.. isn't it a proven fact that 2pac didnt even have a criminal record before joining deathrow?
2pac was a great artist but too many people see him as 'god'.
DIdn't KING T check him at one point?
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I wouldnt be surprised.. isn't it a proven fact that 2pac didnt even have a criminal record before joining deathrow?
2pac was a great artist but too many people see him as 'god'.
DIdn't KING T check him at one point?
no, king Sun was the one who dissed him
on "new york love" i think the song was called
2pac had a quote "i never had a record until i had a record" so i believe you are correct
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWnfTkaPlq4
You gonna tell me the ICP are not gangsta's who make gangsta-ass rap? listen to this track
Well, I definitely think it's silly to assume that they couldn't have a criminal past just because they wear clown make up. That pic you posted says it all. lol Twiztid look especially fucked up in that pic. Monoxide looks like a damn lunatic.
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yeah i heard bout king t gettin into wit someone...thought it was pac?
I wouldnt be surprised.. isn't it a proven fact that 2pac didnt even have a criminal record before joining deathrow?
2pac was a great artist but too many people see him as 'god'.
DIdn't KING T check him at one point?
no, king Sun was the one who dissed him
on "new york love" i think the song was called
2pac had a quote "i never had a record until i had a record" so i believe you are correct
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At the end of the day Pac's ego got him killed and his music suffered from it too.
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godamn, Violent J looks like a fuckin pedophile
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cuz of the whole thing of him runnin round town screamin thug life etc....?
At the end of the day Pac's ego got him killed and his music suffered from it too.
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As far as the Pac thing goes, whether or not you think he was actually a "thug" probably depends on what you think a "thug" is. Personally, I don't question Pac's street credibility at all. The man spent most of his life in and out of jail for various shit. He had countless run-ins with the police. He would make a spectacle of himself in court and in front of cameras. He was a thug as far as I'm concerned. Having said that, I don't necessarily equate "thug" with strong or formidable fighter. Pac could have been a thug without being a formidable hand to hand combatant. I've met plenty of people that I'm sure were criminals or hoodlums, but definitely weren't ninjas or mixed martial arts masters. Really I don't doubt Hughes's story. Why he hadn't said anything about it publicly until now could have probably been for a couple different reasons. For one thing, when the whole thing was going on, I'm sure he wasn't allowed to talk about it. He probably could have spoken about it before now, but then again, having your ass kicked by twelve people might not be your favorite topic for discussion.
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Bitch or not...Hughes is right, Tupac wasnt no gangsta lol. Comin up I was a big Pac fan...but real shit, he wasnt a gangsta. As a rapper, he was tight for sure. Everybody gives Lil Wayne shit (and he deserves it, fuck him...) because he started claimin Blood AFTER he got famous....but how much different is that then Pac turnin into a thug AFTER he got famous? I love Pac.....but I still gotta be real about it.
The difference is, 2Pac came into his recording career speaking on harsh reality and social issues, and giving an insight to the public and potential fans into some neglected topics that needed to be spoken on by devoting entire songs to Drug addition, Teen pregnancy, police brutality etc, compared to Lil Wayne who (besides Hot Boys who weren't even that hot) came in rapping watered down southern "commercial gangsta rapper" imagery BS. More importantly 2Pac signed to a label that had genuine blood association, that employed former bloods, who had some B-side roster that grew up and around real blood neighborhoods. I know your point is slightly different, but 2Pac was a powerful speaker, and wanted to be a spokesperson for a lot of different people, his Thug Life persona was just one taking on the Representative role of the moral majority of young black males in the ghettos, and even defined his Thug Life motto around it all. Granted, it was exploited and blown up by 2Pac & his management a bit for mainstream controversy to make money, but an inner look at his work would show that he really encouraged his listeners to "think". Look at the 'When Thugs Cry' chorus for instance
The main fault of 2Pac was running his own mouth without thinking, and dissing people that shouldn't have been dissed. There's a lot on the list
I think when people are on the outside lookin in...especially on an Idol, they tend to defend them in order to uphold whatever image the Idol was trying to portray. Again, I loved Pac as a rapper. He was never my favorite, but I was feelin the dude. All Im sayin is, a lotta these rappers arent always what they seem. And people idolizing them, especially if they aint never really seen the life that Pac was attempting to be the voice of, tend to believe anything the man says. I dont think anybody in here could argue that Pac didnt play up that "Thug" role far harder once he hooked up with Death Row. Them Death Row cats had him thinkin he was SuperThug. I know we all wanna assume the best (or worst, depending on whos lookin) for a rapper we loved, but truth be told...maybe he was more regular then people think. I was a young knucklehead once who go caught up with the wrong muhafuckas. Its part of being young and dumb. Tupac mighta been no different. The way I see the man is this. A dude who wanted to play that gangsta role so bad that he hooked up with a bunch of real thugs and played the part until his death. But a gangsta from the get go? Not a chance.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWnfTkaPlq4
You gonna tell me the ICP are not gangsta's who make gangsta-ass rap? listen to this track
Well, I definitely think it's silly to assume that they couldn't have a criminal past just because they wear clown make up. That pic you posted says it all. lol Twiztid look especially fucked up in that pic. Monoxide looks like a damn lunatic.
Legal troubles
On November 16, 1997, Bruce was arrested on an aggravated battery charge after allegedly striking an audience member thirty times with his microphone at a concert in Albuquerque, New Mexico. Bruce was held for four hours before being released on US$5,000 bail.[27] The January 1998 issue of Spin magazine ran a four-page cartoon lampooning Insane Clown Posse and Juggalos, claiming that the group was offensive "not for their obscenity, but for their stupidity." Spin likened Insane Clown Posse's stage act to "a sort of circus karaoke" and portrayed the group's fans as overweight suburbanites. On the group's website, Bruce responded to the article by stating, "I could give a fuck less."[28]
After a show in Indianapolis, Insane Clown Posse's tour bus stopped at a Waffle House in Greenfield, Indiana. When a customer began to harass Spaniolo and Bruce, a fight broke out between the customer and all of the bands' members.[25] Months later on June 4, 1998, Bruce and Utsler pleaded guilty to misdemeanor disorderly conduct charges (reduced from battery) in an Indiana court and were fined US$200 each. Members of Twiztid, Myzery, and Psycho Realm were charged with battery.[29] The group's tour was briefly derailed in January 1998, when their tour bus drifted off a highway and down an embankment, leaving Frank Moreno of Psycho Realm with a concussion. As a result of the accident, Insane Clown Posse postponed two shows scheduled for Cleveland, Ohio, on January 22 and January 23, but honored their promise to perform on January 25 and January 26.[3
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWnfTkaPlq4
You gonna tell me the ICP are not gangsta's who make gangsta-ass rap? listen to this track
Well, I definitely think it's silly to assume that they couldn't have a criminal past just because they wear clown make up. That pic you posted says it all. lol Twiztid look especially fucked up in that pic. Monoxide looks like a damn lunatic.
Legal troubles
On November 16, 1997, Bruce was arrested on an aggravated battery charge after allegedly striking an audience member thirty times with his microphone at a concert in Albuquerque, New Mexico. Bruce was held for four hours before being released on US$5,000 bail.[27] The January 1998 issue of Spin magazine ran a four-page cartoon lampooning Insane Clown Posse and Juggalos, claiming that the group was offensive "not for their obscenity, but for their stupidity." Spin likened Insane Clown Posse's stage act to "a sort of circus karaoke" and portrayed the group's fans as overweight suburbanites. On the group's website, Bruce responded to the article by stating, "I could give a fuck less."[28]
After a show in Indianapolis, Insane Clown Posse's tour bus stopped at a Waffle House in Greenfield, Indiana. When a customer began to harass Spaniolo and Bruce, a fight broke out between the customer and all of the bands' members.[25] Months later on June 4, 1998, Bruce and Utsler pleaded guilty to misdemeanor disorderly conduct charges (reduced from battery) in an Indiana court and were fined US$200 each. Members of Twiztid, Myzery, and Psycho Realm were charged with battery.[29] The group's tour was briefly derailed in January 1998, when their tour bus drifted off a highway and down an embankment, leaving Frank Moreno of Psycho Realm with a concussion. As a result of the accident, Insane Clown Posse postponed two shows scheduled for Cleveland, Ohio, on January 22 and January 23, but honored their promise to perform on January 25 and January 26.[3
Lol. Yeah. I live in Missouri. And I think they're still not allowed back here in St. Louis for that incident with the radio dj getting his ass beat. And that really wasn't even their fault. I actually felt like they got a bad rap for that one. Some St. Louis dj was talking shit about them and some of their fans went to the radio station and beat his ass. lol And the police put out warrants for them over it. They evaded arrest for a long ass time, but then they arrested them the next time they tried to come into St. Louis. lol I think they've pretty much been banned from performing in the city.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWnfTkaPlq4
You gonna tell me the ICP are not gangsta's who make gangsta-ass rap? listen to this track
Well, I definitely think it's silly to assume that they couldn't have a criminal past just because they wear clown make up. That pic you posted says it all. lol Twiztid look especially fucked up in that pic. Monoxide looks like a damn lunatic.
Legal troubles
On November 16, 1997, Bruce was arrested on an aggravated battery charge after allegedly striking an audience member thirty times with his microphone at a concert in Albuquerque, New Mexico. Bruce was held for four hours before being released on US$5,000 bail.[27] The January 1998 issue of Spin magazine ran a four-page cartoon lampooning Insane Clown Posse and Juggalos, claiming that the group was offensive "not for their obscenity, but for their stupidity." Spin likened Insane Clown Posse's stage act to "a sort of circus karaoke" and portrayed the group's fans as overweight suburbanites. On the group's website, Bruce responded to the article by stating, "I could give a fuck less."[28]
After a show in Indianapolis, Insane Clown Posse's tour bus stopped at a Waffle House in Greenfield, Indiana. When a customer began to harass Spaniolo and Bruce, a fight broke out between the customer and all of the bands' members.[25] Months later on June 4, 1998, Bruce and Utsler pleaded guilty to misdemeanor disorderly conduct charges (reduced from battery) in an Indiana court and were fined US$200 each. Members of Twiztid, Myzery, and Psycho Realm were charged with battery.[29] The group's tour was briefly derailed in January 1998, when their tour bus drifted off a highway and down an embankment, leaving Frank Moreno of Psycho Realm with a concussion. As a result of the accident, Insane Clown Posse postponed two shows scheduled for Cleveland, Ohio, on January 22 and January 23, but honored their promise to perform on January 25 and January 26.[3
Lol. Yeah. I live in Missouri. And I think they're still not allowed back here in St. Louis for that incident with the radio dj getting his ass beat. And that really wasn't even their fault. I actually felt like they got a bad rap for that one. Some St. Louis dj was talking shit about them and some of their fans went to the radio station and beat his ass. lol And the police put out warrants for them over it. They evaded arrest for a long ass time, but then they arrested them the next time they tried to come into St. Louis. lol I think they've pretty much been banned from performing in the city.
80% of icp fans are smongst the dumbest 20% of society
lol icp told their fans on their website to attack someone from Spin magazine and 4 days later the guy gets attacked lol
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them juggalos role deep tho
i used to work at tower records years ago.....and we had a midnight release (when the albums come out the next day but we sell them at 12:01) so they have to wait
them juggalos start linin up at 8 pm wit their gang..lol yeah their club and their face paintins etc...
but i heard icp and their label pay them fans to buy their albums so they look good and look like they are sellin records
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them juggalos role deep tho
i used to work at tower records years ago.....and we had a midnight release (when the albums come out the next day but we sell them at 12:01) so they have to wait
them juggalos start linin up at 8 pm wit their gang..lol yeah their club and their face paintins etc...
but i heard icp and their label pay them fans to buy their albums so they look good and look like they are sellin records
lmao no
www.psychopathictraders.com
what ICP does is puts out like 5 versions of one cd
so that way atleast 50,000 dumbasses out there are like "OMG OMG I GOT THE RED AND GREEN GREAT MILENKO CD'S BUT I NEED TO GET THE PURPLE AND THE ORANGE ONES!"
it's clever marketing
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Anybody in this thread that is talking shit about pac for portraying to be a gangbanger is a fucken ignorant fool!!! You dumb asses obviously did not follow Pac enough to know what he was about and everything he went through! Whoever says that Pac was not a good person is also a fucken doofus!! If that was the case, than why does everybody always say positive things about him, even after his death? Get off his nut already and stop hating! I bet you that half of this fuckers talking shit cant fight either and are also portraying to be hard by talking shit about PAc!! Lame ass, hardcore, ultimate fighting fakes!!!!! Get off his NUT!!!
did u know he was a gangster..a gang named west side ballerinas??
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Bitch or not...Hughes is right, Tupac wasnt no gangsta lol. Comin up I was a big Pac fan...but real shit, he wasnt a gangsta. As a rapper, he was tight for sure. Everybody gives Lil Wayne shit (and he deserves it, fuck him...) because he started claimin Blood AFTER he got famous....but how much different is that then Pac turnin into a thug AFTER he got famous? I love Pac.....but I still gotta be real about it.
Well Pac was never claiming any crip or blood shit...Now I never heard lil waynes music, so I don't know if he is out shouting and repping that stuff in his music but pac sure wasn't. Pac wasn't screaming gang shit like snoop, daz, and kurupt.
How you gonna say that Pac wasn't a thug? He got fatally gunned down by gangbangers, before that he took like 5 bullets, he had been to prison. He rolled w/ Death Row - the most gangsta music label ever. Now he may not have been as gangsta as say O-Dogg was portrayed in the movie, but c'mon pac was a thug. He is from the ghetto, his mom was a black panther, got killed by the gun, I mean what more do you want then everything I have named?
What is it that you guys all think makes someone a thug? I see lil' fuckin weenies all the time in sactown that are supposed to be thugs. Hell, they may actually be in a reputable Blood gang. But these kids ain't nothin but weenies...they are like 150 lbs tops, they couldn't do shit in a fight.
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Bitch or not...Hughes is right, Tupac wasnt no gangsta lol. Comin up I was a big Pac fan...but real shit, he wasnt a gangsta. As a rapper, he was tight for sure. Everybody gives Lil Wayne shit (and he deserves it, fuck him...) because he started claimin Blood AFTER he got famous....but how much different is that then Pac turnin into a thug AFTER he got famous? I love Pac.....but I still gotta be real about it.
Well Pac was never claiming any crip or blood shit...Now I never heard lil waynes music, so I don't know if he is out shouting and repping that stuff in his music but pac sure wasn't. Pac wasn't screaming gang shit like snoop, daz, and kurupt.
How you gonna say that Pac wasn't a thug? He got fatally gunned down by gangbangers, before that he took like 5 bullets, he had been to prison. He rolled w/ Death Row - the most gangsta music label ever. Now he may not have been as gangsta as say O-Dogg was portrayed in the movie, but c'mon pac was a thug. He is from the ghetto, his mom was a black panther, got killed by the gun, I mean what more do you want then everything I have named?
What is it that you guys all think makes someone a thug? I see lil' fuckin weenies all the time in sactown that are supposed to be thugs. Hell, they may actually be in a reputable Blood gang. But these kids ain't nothin but weenies...they are like 150 lbs tops, they couldn't do shit in a fight.
Like I said...I dig Pac, the artist. But most of Pacs "thug" shit came AFTER he got famous. Thats not a thug....thats fuckin STUPID! Before that he was attending art school and back up dancing for Digital Underground. To be honest man, none of the shit u mentioned makes u a thug. Getting shot doesnt make u a thug (anybody can get shot), going to prison doesnt make u a thug (he went on a sexual assault charge), bein a rapper on Death Row doesnt make u a thug (Rage rapped for Death Row), being from the ghetto for damn sure doesnt make u a thug, his mom being a Panther has absolutely nothing to do with thugs. Once again, Pac to me was the typical case of a dude who fell in love with that thug lifestyle...but really had no business bein around it. You dont become a thug in your 20's.
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i wish makaveli was alive now so him and his MOB Posse would mob on his ass with compton bloods and jerzey double II people.
a nice "against all oddz"-type song would be dope too.
why he dont say dat shit from 1994-1996? ::)
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have the hughes brothers made a movie in 15 years? they made 3 good ones..then disapeared
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have the hughes brothers made a movie in 15 years? they made 3 good ones..then disapeared
As far as I know, "From Hell" was their last one. Last one that I'm aware of, anyway.
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I wouldnt be surprised.. isn't it a proven fact that 2pac didnt even have a criminal record before joining deathrow?
2pac was a great artist but too many people see him as 'god'.
DIdn't KING T check him at one point?
Pac said himself he never had a criminal record until he had an record out its on the movie where pac was narrating the whole movie I forget the name of it.
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Bitch or not...Hughes is right, Tupac wasnt no gangsta lol. Comin up I was a big Pac fan...but real shit, he wasnt a gangsta. As a rapper, he was tight for sure. Everybody gives Lil Wayne shit (and he deserves it, fuck him...) because he started claimin Blood AFTER he got famous....but how much different is that then Pac turnin into a thug AFTER he got famous? I love Pac.....but I still gotta be real about it.
Well Pac was never claiming any crip or blood shit...Now I never heard lil waynes music, so I don't know if he is out shouting and repping that stuff in his music but pac sure wasn't. Pac wasn't screaming gang shit like snoop, daz, and kurupt.
How you gonna say that Pac wasn't a thug? He got fatally gunned down by gangbangers, before that he took like 5 bullets, he had been to prison. He rolled w/ Death Row - the most gangsta music label ever. Now he may not have been as gangsta as say O-Dogg was portrayed in the movie, but c'mon pac was a thug. He is from the ghetto, his mom was a black panther, got killed by the gun, I mean what more do you want then everything I have named?
What is it that you guys all think makes someone a thug? I see lil' fuckin weenies all the time in sactown that are supposed to be thugs. Hell, they may actually be in a reputable Blood gang. But these kids ain't nothin but weenies...they are like 150 lbs tops, they couldn't do shit in a fight.
Like I said...I dig Pac, the artist. But most of Pacs "thug" shit came AFTER he got famous. Thats not a thug....thats fuckin STUPID! Before that he was attending art school and back up dancing for Digital Underground. To be honest man, none of the shit u mentioned makes u a thug. Getting shot doesnt make u a thug (anybody can get shot), going to prison doesnt make u a thug (he went on a sexual assault charge), bein a rapper on Death Row doesnt make u a thug (Rage rapped for Death Row), being from the ghetto for damn sure doesnt make u a thug, his mom being a Panther has absolutely nothing to do with thugs. Once again, Pac to me was the typical case of a dude who fell in love with that thug lifestyle...but really had no business bein around it. You dont become a thug in your 20's.
what is it that makes you a thug then?
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Bitch or not...Hughes is right, Tupac wasnt no gangsta lol. Comin up I was a big Pac fan...but real shit, he wasnt a gangsta. As a rapper, he was tight for sure. Everybody gives Lil Wayne shit (and he deserves it, fuck him...) because he started claimin Blood AFTER he got famous....but how much different is that then Pac turnin into a thug AFTER he got famous? I love Pac.....but I still gotta be real about it.
Well Pac was never claiming any crip or blood shit...Now I never heard lil waynes music, so I don't know if he is out shouting and repping that stuff in his music but pac sure wasn't. Pac wasn't screaming gang shit like snoop, daz, and kurupt.
How you gonna say that Pac wasn't a thug? He got fatally gunned down by gangbangers, before that he took like 5 bullets, he had been to prison. He rolled w/ Death Row - the most gangsta music label ever. Now he may not have been as gangsta as say O-Dogg was portrayed in the movie, but c'mon pac was a thug. He is from the ghetto, his mom was a black panther, got killed by the gun, I mean what more do you want then everything I have named?
What is it that you guys all think makes someone a thug? I see lil' fuckin weenies all the time in sactown that are supposed to be thugs. Hell, they may actually be in a reputable Blood gang. But these kids ain't nothin but weenies...they are like 150 lbs tops, they couldn't do shit in a fight.
Like I said...I dig Pac, the artist. But most of Pacs "thug" shit came AFTER he got famous. Thats not a thug....thats fuckin STUPID! Before that he was attending art school and back up dancing for Digital Underground. To be honest man, none of the shit u mentioned makes u a thug. Getting shot doesnt make u a thug (anybody can get shot), going to prison doesnt make u a thug (he went on a sexual assault charge), bein a rapper on Death Row doesnt make u a thug (Rage rapped for Death Row), being from the ghetto for damn sure doesnt make u a thug, his mom being a Panther has absolutely nothing to do with thugs. Once again, Pac to me was the typical case of a dude who fell in love with that thug lifestyle...but really had no business bein around it. You dont become a thug in your 20's.
what is it that makes you a thug then?
First off, lemme ask u this. If you molest a kid and go to prison...would u be a thug? If you were standing at a bus stop and unintentionally shot in a drive by....would u be a thug? If you were born in the ghetto and become a huge success....would u be a thug?
I will give u this, what a "thug" is could be directly related to what environment youre in. But Pac was definetely reflecting a certain environment. Before he was famous, he wasnt exactly runnin around super banged out and really involved in any kind of thug lifestyle, and definetely not no gangsta lifestyle. He was just a kid from the hood. Theres a lot of kids from the hood, and like Pac...most of em arent thugs. You tell me, if u see a cat who didnt grow up a thug....start thuggin it AFTER they get rich and famous in an industry where at the time, "thug" sells...what would u think? Again, I dont knock him or his hustle and Pac the artist was off the chain. Im just sayin how I see it, and how a lot of people see it but dont want to admit it outloud cus its Pac.
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12 Rollin 40's jumped him ? on the set ? where was O DOG , CAINE , and the rest
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Bitch or not...Hughes is right, Tupac wasnt no gangsta lol. Comin up I was a big Pac fan...but real shit, he wasnt a gangsta. As a rapper, he was tight for sure. Everybody gives Lil Wayne shit (and he deserves it, fuck him...) because he started claimin Blood AFTER he got famous....but how much different is that then Pac turnin into a thug AFTER he got famous? I love Pac.....but I still gotta be real about it.
Well Pac was never claiming any crip or blood shit...Now I never heard lil waynes music, so I don't know if he is out shouting and repping that stuff in his music but pac sure wasn't. Pac wasn't screaming gang shit like snoop, daz, and kurupt.
How you gonna say that Pac wasn't a thug? He got fatally gunned down by gangbangers, before that he took like 5 bullets, he had been to prison. He rolled w/ Death Row - the most gangsta music label ever. Now he may not have been as gangsta as say O-Dogg was portrayed in the movie, but c'mon pac was a thug. He is from the ghetto, his mom was a black panther, got killed by the gun, I mean what more do you want then everything I have named?
What is it that you guys all think makes someone a thug? I see lil' fuckin weenies all the time in sactown that are supposed to be thugs. Hell, they may actually be in a reputable Blood gang. But these kids ain't nothin but weenies...they are like 150 lbs tops, they couldn't do shit in a fight.
Like I said...I dig Pac, the artist. But most of Pacs "thug" shit came AFTER he got famous. Thats not a thug....thats fuckin STUPID! Before that he was attending art school and back up dancing for Digital Underground. To be honest man, none of the shit u mentioned makes u a thug. Getting shot doesnt make u a thug (anybody can get shot), going to prison doesnt make u a thug (he went on a sexual assault charge), bein a rapper on Death Row doesnt make u a thug (Rage rapped for Death Row), being from the ghetto for damn sure doesnt make u a thug, his mom being a Panther has absolutely nothing to do with thugs. Once again, Pac to me was the typical case of a dude who fell in love with that thug lifestyle...but really had no business bein around it. You dont become a thug in your 20's.
what is it that makes you a thug then?
First off, lemme ask u this. If you molest a kid and go to prison...would u be a thug? If you were standing at a bus stop and unintentionally shot in a drive by....would u be a thug? If you were born in the ghetto and become a huge success....would u be a thug?
I will give u this, what a "thug" is could be directly related to what environment youre in. But Pac was definetely reflecting a certain environment. Before he was famous, he wasnt exactly runnin around super banged out and really involved in any kind of thug lifestyle, and definetely not no gangsta lifestyle. He was just a kid from the hood. Theres a lot of kids from the hood, and like Pac...most of em arent thugs. You tell me, if u see a cat who didnt grow up a thug....start thuggin it AFTER they get rich and famous in an industry where at the time, "thug" sells...what would u think? Again, I dont knock him or his hustle and Pac the artist was off the chain. Im just sayin how I see it, and how a lot of people see it but dont want to admit it outloud cus its Pac.
No I wouldn't say because someone went to prison for child molestation that makes them a thug, nor does someone getting shot at a bustop. However pac, wasn't an innocent bystander in either time he got shot. He was THE target. And arguably the second time he got shot up was by real gangbangers. The whole aspect of him going to prison was just to add to the list.
I don't know how 2pac grew up as a kid and what he was or was not involved in. I'm just curious...how do you know what Pac was doing before he got famous? I mean, the only reason that you know anything about him is because he became famous, so unless you knew pac before he started selling records, then you really don't know how he lived his life. You are simply speculating. I mean you are simply taking a handful of aspect such as he was a dancer or went to drama school. You are taking the minute amount of info that gets portrayed in 2pac documentaries. And I don't know any better than you do, what his life was like growing up...I'm not speculating on what I DON'T know, I'm looking at the facts of what I DO know.
Like I said, I'm not out here saying 2Pac was putting in work like say Tray Deee, but to say he wasn't a thug is sort of ridiculous. That is like saying someone who played 10 years of triple A baseball wasn't a great ballplayer, just because they didn't make it to the mlb.
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Anybody in this thread that is talking shit about pac for portraying to be a gangbanger is a fucken ignorant fool!!! You dumb asses obviously did not follow Pac enough to know what he was about and everything he went through! Whoever says that Pac was not a good person is also a fucken doofus!! If that was the case, than why does everybody always say positive things about him, even after his death? Get off his nut already and stop hating! I bet you that half of this fuckers talking shit cant fight either and are also portraying to be hard by talking shit about PAc!! Lame ass, hardcore, ultimate fighting fakes!!!!! Get off his NUT!!!
Listen to yourself homeboy. Youre talkin about people bein on somebody elses nuts? Did you just read how you defended this man you dont know like he was your husband?! If you truly "followed" Pac like u think u do...youd know he wasnt a gangsta. How many real Gs do u know!? Im guessin none if u think Pac was some strait G. Like I said, on some rap shit...Pac was that dude. Were there better RAPPERS? Yes. But he had that "it" factor that pushed him over the top. Pac was a Westcoast muhafucka. If he was a G....what set? Theres no such thing as a Death Row Gang.
Did you read what i wrote or are you on my nuts now as well???? I clearly said that everybody knows 2pac was not a gangbanger! That means that he was not a GGG?? Ya dig!! Or do you need me to explain it in a different way so you can understand! You saying like i was his husband? Why you acting like you were his x bitch??? I just replied to this stupid thread cuz i cant understand why all these idiots are wasting there time, like if they know Pac!!! Your a fool trying to act like you want to teach the world bout some g knowledge! Death Row was not a gang? HAHAHAHAHA!!! No shit it was not !!!!!! But that dont mean G's were not around death row!!! Read my other post so you can see that i said he was not a gangbanger but a street nigga!!! POINT Fucken Blank!!! Dont even reply back to me if your going to come up with some other stupid shit again!! Dont waste your time or mine!
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Bitch or not...Hughes is right, Tupac wasnt no gangsta lol. Comin up I was a big Pac fan...but real shit, he wasnt a gangsta. As a rapper, he was tight for sure. Everybody gives Lil Wayne shit (and he deserves it, fuck him...) because he started claimin Blood AFTER he got famous....but how much different is that then Pac turnin into a thug AFTER he got famous? I love Pac.....but I still gotta be real about it.
The difference is, 2Pac came into his recording career speaking on harsh reality and social issues, and giving an insight to the public and potential fans into some neglected topics that needed to be spoken on by devoting entire songs to Drug addition, Teen pregnancy, police brutality etc, compared to Lil Wayne who (besides Hot Boys who weren't even that hot) came in rapping watered down southern "commercial gangsta rapper" imagery BS. More importantly 2Pac signed to a label that had genuine blood association, that employed former bloods, who had some B-side roster that grew up and around real blood neighborhoods. I know your point is slightly different, but 2Pac was a powerful speaker, and wanted to be a spokesperson for a lot of different people, his Thug Life persona was just one taking on the Representative role of the moral majority of young black males in the ghettos, and even defined his Thug Life motto around it all. Granted, it was exploited and blown up by 2Pac & his management a bit for mainstream controversy to make money, but an inner look at his work would show that he really encouraged his listeners to "think". Look at the 'When Thugs Cry' chorus for instance
The main fault of 2Pac was running his own mouth without thinking, and dissing people that shouldn't have been dissed. There's a lot on the list
I respect that!! Well said!!!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWnfTkaPlq4
You gonna tell me the ICP are not gangsta's who make gangsta-ass rap? listen to this track
LOL ICP is old as hell homie .. there music is terrible anyways Die Hard Eminem Haters
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Bitch or not...Hughes is right, Tupac wasnt no gangsta lol. Comin up I was a big Pac fan...but real shit, he wasnt a gangsta. As a rapper, he was tight for sure. Everybody gives Lil Wayne shit (and he deserves it, fuck him...) because he started claimin Blood AFTER he got famous....but how much different is that then Pac turnin into a thug AFTER he got famous? I love Pac.....but I still gotta be real about it.
Well Pac was never claiming any crip or blood shit...Now I never heard lil waynes music, so I don't know if he is out shouting and repping that stuff in his music but pac sure wasn't. Pac wasn't screaming gang shit like snoop, daz, and kurupt.
How you gonna say that Pac wasn't a thug? He got fatally gunned down by gangbangers, before that he took like 5 bullets, he had been to prison. He rolled w/ Death Row - the most gangsta music label ever. Now he may not have been as gangsta as say O-Dogg was portrayed in the movie, but c'mon pac was a thug. He is from the ghetto, his mom was a black panther, got killed by the gun, I mean what more do you want then everything I have named?
What is it that you guys all think makes someone a thug? I see lil' fuckin weenies all the time in sactown that are supposed to be thugs. Hell, they may actually be in a reputable Blood gang. But these kids ain't nothin but weenies...they are like 150 lbs tops, they couldn't do shit in a fight.
Like I said...I dig Pac, the artist. But most of Pacs "thug" shit came AFTER he got famous. Thats not a thug....thats fuckin STUPID! Before that he was attending art school and back up dancing for Digital Underground. To be honest man, none of the shit u mentioned makes u a thug. Getting shot doesnt make u a thug (anybody can get shot), going to prison doesnt make u a thug (he went on a sexual assault charge), bein a rapper on Death Row doesnt make u a thug (Rage rapped for Death Row), being from the ghetto for damn sure doesnt make u a thug, his mom being a Panther has absolutely nothing to do with thugs. Once again, Pac to me was the typical case of a dude who fell in love with that thug lifestyle...but really had no business bein around it. You dont become a thug in your 20's.
what is it that makes you a thug then?
First off, lemme ask u this. If you molest a kid and go to prison...would u be a thug? If you were standing at a bus stop and unintentionally shot in a drive by....would u be a thug? If you were born in the ghetto and become a huge success....would u be a thug?
I will give u this, what a "thug" is could be directly related to what environment youre in. But Pac was definetely reflecting a certain environment. Before he was famous, he wasnt exactly runnin around super banged out and really involved in any kind of thug lifestyle, and definetely not no gangsta lifestyle. He was just a kid from the hood. Theres a lot of kids from the hood, and like Pac...most of em arent thugs. You tell me, if u see a cat who didnt grow up a thug....start thuggin it AFTER they get rich and famous in an industry where at the time, "thug" sells...what would u think? Again, I dont knock him or his hustle and Pac the artist was off the chain. Im just sayin how I see it, and how a lot of people see it but dont want to admit it outloud cus its Pac.
No I wouldn't say because someone went to prison for child molestation that makes them a thug, nor does someone getting shot at a bustop. However pac, wasn't an innocent bystander in either time he got shot. He was THE target. And arguably the second time he got shot up was by real gangbangers. The whole aspect of him going to prison was just to add to the list.
I don't know how 2pac grew up as a kid and what he was or was not involved in. I'm just curious...how do you know what Pac was doing before he got famous? I mean, the only reason that you know anything about him is because he became famous, so unless you knew pac before he started selling records, then you really don't know how he lived his life. You are simply speculating. I mean you are simply taking a handful of aspect such as he was a dancer or went to drama school. You are taking the minute amount of info that gets portrayed in 2pac documentaries. And I don't know any better than you do, what his life was like growing up...I'm not speculating on what I DON'T know, I'm looking at the facts of what I DO know.
Like I said, I'm not out here saying 2Pac was putting in work like say Tray Deee, but to say he wasn't a thug is sort of ridiculous. That is like saying someone who played 10 years of triple A baseball wasn't a great ballplayer, just because they didn't make it to the mlb.
Like I said before, what a thug is could be directly related to what environment youre in or from. Your definition of a thug might be way looser then mine, who knows. Him being shot means absolutely shit. Ive known plenty of people who have been shot, and some were the target of that shit. They werent all thugs. Ive had guns pulled on me before, aint been shot yet, doesnt mean I was thuggin. Besides, the first time he got shot didnt he get robbed? lol. Being a vicitim of an armed robbery and being shot in the process doesnt make u a thug. Youre right, I dont know his entire life story. I only know what has been released about him through eye witnesses, or himself, or his marketing department, etc. But what I do know is this. Pac made a living, a career off of playin a thug character on the tv (whether u think he was a real thug or not). That was the image he wanted out there. Nobody can argue that...the dude got Thug Life tatted on him. Now, seeing as how thats the image he wanted...thats the image that would sell records at that time...if Pac had ANY past of being a real rider, a real gangsta, a real thug BEFORE he got famous...dont u think THAT shit would have been released for all to see at the time?! If you wanted the world to think you were anything...lets say, you wanted the world to think you were good person....wouldnt u be releasing ANYthing from your past that shows how good you are?!
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Anybody in this thread that is talking shit about pac for portraying to be a gangbanger is a fucken ignorant fool!!! You dumb asses obviously did not follow Pac enough to know what he was about and everything he went through! Whoever says that Pac was not a good person is also a fucken doofus!! If that was the case, than why does everybody always say positive things about him, even after his death? Get off his nut already and stop hating! I bet you that half of this fuckers talking shit cant fight either and are also portraying to be hard by talking shit about PAc!! Lame ass, hardcore, ultimate fighting fakes!!!!! Get off his NUT!!!
did u know he was a gangster..a gang named west side ballerinas??
Another idiot that thinks i said he was a gangbanger!!!! HAHAHAHA! I never said he was A fucken GANGBANGER!!!!! How many times do i have to post it!! Go to page one and you will see you lame!!! I dont care if he was from your fucken westside Ballerninas gang!!!! All i know is that he was a street nigga!!! Thats It! i dont care if he was from your gang or not!!! DAAAMN!!! HAHAHA
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Well we can both agree that we have differing definitions of what makes a person a thug. I am not saying all alone that he got shot makes him a thug, its a part of the entire compilation. I mean, I'm not gonna say that the guy that Dick Cheney shot while hunting is a thug (although if he rolls with dick cheney he very well could be!). I'm saying 2Pac getting shot was part of it. I mean, that is one of the things that "thugs" are always "bragging" about, is getting shot at.
Can you name some people who you think I would know who you think are thugs? Off the top of my head I would say Pablo escobar, suge knight, jayo felony, tray deee, the Cincinnati bengals, c-bo, mitchy slick.
On a scale of 1 to 10, I would put someone like Pablo Escobar at a 10, and Pac at a 5.
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Bitch or not...Hughes is right, Tupac wasnt no gangsta lol. Comin up I was a big Pac fan...but real shit, he wasnt a gangsta. As a rapper, he was tight for sure. Everybody gives Lil Wayne shit (and he deserves it, fuck him...) because he started claimin Blood AFTER he got famous....but how much different is that then Pac turnin into a thug AFTER he got famous? I love Pac.....but I still gotta be real about it.
Well Pac was never claiming any crip or blood shit...Now I never heard lil waynes music, so I don't know if he is out shouting and repping that stuff in his music but pac sure wasn't. Pac wasn't screaming gang shit like snoop, daz, and kurupt.
How you gonna say that Pac wasn't a thug? He got fatally gunned down by gangbangers, before that he took like 5 bullets, he had been to prison. He rolled w/ Death Row - the most gangsta music label ever. Now he may not have been as gangsta as say O-Dogg was portrayed in the movie, but c'mon pac was a thug. He is from the ghetto, his mom was a black panther, got killed by the gun, I mean what more do you want then everything I have named?
What is it that you guys all think makes someone a thug? I see lil' fuckin weenies all the time in sactown that are supposed to be thugs. Hell, they may actually be in a reputable Blood gang. But these kids ain't nothin but weenies...they are like 150 lbs tops, they couldn't do shit in a fight.
Like I said...I dig Pac, the artist. But most of Pacs "thug" shit came AFTER he got famous. Thats not a thug....thats fuckin STUPID! Before that he was attending art school and back up dancing for Digital Underground. To be honest man, none of the shit u mentioned makes u a thug. Getting shot doesnt make u a thug (anybody can get shot), going to prison doesnt make u a thug (he went on a sexual assault charge), bein a rapper on Death Row doesnt make u a thug (Rage rapped for Death Row), being from the ghetto for damn sure doesnt make u a thug, his mom being a Panther has absolutely nothing to do with thugs. Once again, Pac to me was the typical case of a dude who fell in love with that thug lifestyle...but really had no business bein around it. You dont become a thug in your 20's.
what is it that makes you a thug then?
First off, lemme ask u this. If you molest a kid and go to prison...would u be a thug? If you were standing at a bus stop and unintentionally shot in a drive by....would u be a thug? If you were born in the ghetto and become a huge success....would u be a thug?
I will give u this, what a "thug" is could be directly related to what environment youre in. But Pac was definetely reflecting a certain environment. Before he was famous, he wasnt exactly runnin around super banged out and really involved in any kind of thug lifestyle, and definetely not no gangsta lifestyle. He was just a kid from the hood. Theres a lot of kids from the hood, and like Pac...most of em arent thugs. You tell me, if u see a cat who didnt grow up a thug....start thuggin it AFTER they get rich and famous in an industry where at the time, "thug" sells...what would u think? Again, I dont knock him or his hustle and Pac the artist was off the chain. Im just sayin how I see it, and how a lot of people see it but dont want to admit it outloud cus its Pac.
I think this fool is taking advance thug 101!!! HAHAHAHA! Poor fool! i bet you dont even know the definition of a thug? Lame!! 2Pac said it many fucken times! IM NOT A THUG BECAUSE OF THE DEFINITION IN THE FUCKEN DICTIONARY! IM A THUG BECAUSE I CAME FROM THE GUTTER!!! AND HE NEVER CLAIMED A GANG EITHER!!! FUUUCK!! GET THAT THROUGH YOUR FUCKEN HEAD! YOUR WASTING YOUR TIME HOMIE!! YOU ACT LIKE YOU CAME UP WITH THE DEFINITION!!
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Bitch or not...Hughes is right, Tupac wasnt no gangsta lol. Comin up I was a big Pac fan...but real shit, he wasnt a gangsta. As a rapper, he was tight for sure. Everybody gives Lil Wayne shit (and he deserves it, fuck him...) because he started claimin Blood AFTER he got famous....but how much different is that then Pac turnin into a thug AFTER he got famous? I love Pac.....but I still gotta be real about it.
Well Pac was never claiming any crip or blood shit...Now I never heard lil waynes music, so I don't know if he is out shouting and repping that stuff in his music but pac sure wasn't. Pac wasn't screaming gang shit like snoop, daz, and kurupt.
How you gonna say that Pac wasn't a thug? He got fatally gunned down by gangbangers, before that he took like 5 bullets, he had been to prison. He rolled w/ Death Row - the most gangsta music label ever. Now he may not have been as gangsta as say O-Dogg was portrayed in the movie, but c'mon pac was a thug. He is from the ghetto, his mom was a black panther, got killed by the gun, I mean what more do you want then everything I have named?
What is it that you guys all think makes someone a thug? I see lil' fuckin weenies all the time in sactown that are supposed to be thugs. Hell, they may actually be in a reputable Blood gang. But these kids ain't nothin but weenies...they are like 150 lbs tops, they couldn't do shit in a fight.
Like I said...I dig Pac, the artist. But most of Pacs "thug" shit came AFTER he got famous. Thats not a thug....thats fuckin STUPID! Before that he was attending art school and back up dancing for Digital Underground. To be honest man, none of the shit u mentioned makes u a thug. Getting shot doesnt make u a thug (anybody can get shot), going to prison doesnt make u a thug (he went on a sexual assault charge), bein a rapper on Death Row doesnt make u a thug (Rage rapped for Death Row), being from the ghetto for damn sure doesnt make u a thug, his mom being a Panther has absolutely nothing to do with thugs. Once again, Pac to me was the typical case of a dude who fell in love with that thug lifestyle...but really had no business bein around it. You dont become a thug in your 20's.
what is it that makes you a thug then?
First off, lemme ask u this. If you molest a kid and go to prison...would u be a thug? If you were standing at a bus stop and unintentionally shot in a drive by....would u be a thug? If you were born in the ghetto and become a huge success....would u be a thug?
I will give u this, what a "thug" is could be directly related to what environment youre in. But Pac was definetely reflecting a certain environment. Before he was famous, he wasnt exactly runnin around super banged out and really involved in any kind of thug lifestyle, and definetely not no gangsta lifestyle. He was just a kid from the hood. Theres a lot of kids from the hood, and like Pac...most of em arent thugs. You tell me, if u see a cat who didnt grow up a thug....start thuggin it AFTER they get rich and famous in an industry where at the time, "thug" sells...what would u think? Again, I dont knock him or his hustle and Pac the artist was off the chain. Im just sayin how I see it, and how a lot of people see it but dont want to admit it outloud cus its Pac.
I think this fool is taking advance thug 101!!! HAHAHAHA! Poor fool! i bet you dont even know the definition of a thug? Lame!! 2Pac said it many fucken times! IM NOT A THUG BECAUSE OF THE DEFINITION IN THE FUCKEN DICTIONARY! IM A THUG BECAUSE I CAME FROM THE GUTTER!!! AND HE NEVER CLAIMED A GANG EITHER!!! FUUUCK!! GET THAT THROUGH YOUR FUCKEN HEAD! YOUR WASTING YOUR TIME HOMIE!! YOU ACT LIKE YOU CAME UP WITH THE DEFINITION!!
Keep tryin homeboy. Pac groupie at its finest...
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Well we can both agree that we have differing definitions of what makes a person a thug. I am not saying all alone that he got shot makes him a thug, its a part of the entire compilation. I mean, I'm not gonna say that the guy that Dick Cheney shot while hunting is a thug (although if he rolls with dick cheney he very well could be!). I'm saying 2Pac getting shot was part of it. I mean, that is one of the things that "thugs" are always "bragging" about, is getting shot at.
Can you name some people who you think I would know who you think are thugs? Off the top of my head I would say Pablo escobar, suge knight, jayo felony, tray deee, the Cincinnati bengals, c-bo, mitchy slick.
On a scale of 1 to 10, I would put someone like Pablo Escobar at a 10, and Pac at a 5.
The only ones I could say on your list personally, is Mitch. And thats only cus its on some SD shit and some of my old homies are the same as his. So I know that fool is reputable. Jayo's kind of in the same boat. I even had a couple little crip homies (from WC30's tho) back in high school that could vouch for him, one of em is actually posted up in the inside cover of Crip Hop. He over inflated some of his shit with that "Pennetentiary Bound" shit, even tho he's only been to YA. But he really is from NHC.
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You seriously can't agree that Pablo Escobar was a thug? That guy was 10x more thug than any gang member in the history of US gangs.
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You seriously can't agree that Pablo Escobar was a thug? That guy was 10x more thug than any gang member in the history of US gangs.
No, I agree with u on Escobar. I just said "personally"
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i luv 2pac threads. ;D
we all know that pac was no hardcore compton gangbanger but he was no "bitch balerina" like "some people" say.
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DIDN'T HE SHOOTS 2 COPS
FUCK HUGHES HE TAKES ALL THESE YEARS LATER TO MAKE UP BULLLSHIT.
Spice-1 said he was there when Pac knocked them out.
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"niggaz talk a lot of shit but that's after i'm gone cuz the fear me in the physical form"
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i luv 2pac threads. ;D
we all know that pac was no hardcore compton gangbanger but he was no "bitch balerina" like "some people" say.
100% agree. I would never say he was a bitch....and never say he was a thug. He was somewhere in between. I respect dude for what he was...and to me, thats a talented artist. I think its fucked up cus really, when they say somebody was taken too early, Pac is the perfect example. Cus he wasnt a thug, he really was an artist...but got caught up with some real thugs and idolizing a thug lifestyle. Men at that age go through that shit all the time...he just fucked up cus he went through it when he didnt have to.
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I think this fool is taking advance thug 101!!! HAHAHAHA! Poor fool! i bet you dont even know the definition of a thug? Lame!! 2Pac said it many fucken times! IM NOT A THUG BECAUSE OF THE DEFINITION IN THE FUCKEN DICTIONARY! IM A THUG BECAUSE I CAME FROM THE GUTTER!!! AND HE NEVER CLAIMED A GANG EITHER!!! FUUUCK!! GET THAT THROUGH YOUR FUCKEN HEAD! YOUR WASTING YOUR TIME HOMIE!! YOU ACT LIKE YOU CAME UP WITH THE DEFINITION!!
damn , catching feelings like that, lol . and he did claim a gang at 25 years old, being high and drunk all the time hanging around with retards
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Bitch or not...Hughes is right, Tupac wasnt no gangsta lol. Comin up I was a big Pac fan...but real shit, he wasnt a gangsta. As a rapper, he was tight for sure. Everybody gives Lil Wayne shit (and he deserves it, fuck him...) because he started claimin Blood AFTER he got famous....but how much different is that then Pac turnin into a thug AFTER he got famous? I love Pac.....but I still gotta be real about it.
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Well Pac was never claiming any crip or blood shit...Now I never heard lil waynes music, so I don't know if he is out shouting and repping that stuff in his music but pac sure wasn't. Pac wasn't screaming gang shit like snoop, daz, and kurupt.
How you gonna say that Pac wasn't a thug? He got fatally gunned down by gangbangers, before that he took like 5 bullets, he had been to prison. He rolled w/ Death Row - the most gangsta music label ever. Now he may not have been as gangsta as say O-Dogg was portrayed in the movie, but c'mon pac was a thug. He is from the ghetto, his mom was a black panther, got killed by the gun, I mean what more do you want then everything I have named?
What is it that you guys all think makes someone a thug? I see lil' fuckin weenies all the time in sactown that are supposed to be thugs. Hell, they may actually be in a reputable Blood gang. But these kids ain't nothin but weenies...they are like 150 lbs tops, they couldn't do shit in a fight.
Like I said...I dig Pac, the artist. But most of Pacs "thug" shit came AFTER he got famous. Thats not a thug....thats fuckin STUPID! Before that he was attending art school and back up dancing for Digital Underground. To be honest man, none of the shit u mentioned makes u a thug. Getting shot doesnt make u a thug (anybody can get shot), going to prison doesnt make u a thug (he went on a sexual assault charge), bein a rapper on Death Row doesnt make u a thug (Rage rapped for Death Row), being from the ghetto for damn sure doesnt make u a thug, his mom being a Panther has absolutely nothing to do with thugs. Once again, Pac to me was the typical case of a dude who fell in love with that thug lifestyle...but really had no business bein around it. You dont become a thug in your 20's.
what is it that makes you a thug then?
First off, lemme ask u this. If you molest a kid and go to prison...would u be a thug? If you were standing at a bus stop and unintentionally shot in a drive by....would u be a thug? If you were born in the ghetto and become a huge success....would u be a thug?
I will give u this, what a "thug" is could be directly related to what environment youre in. But Pac was definetely reflecting a certain environment. Before he was famous, he wasnt exactly runnin around super banged out and really involved in any kind of thug lifestyle, and definetely not no gangsta lifestyle. He was just a kid from the hood. Theres a lot of kids from the hood, and like Pac...most of em arent thugs. You tell me, if u see a cat who didnt grow up a thug....start thuggin it AFTER they get rich and famous in an industry where at the time, "thug" sells...what would u think? Again, I dont knock him or his hustle and Pac the artist was off the chain. Im just sayin how I see it, and how a lot of people see it but dont want to admit it outloud cus its Pac.
I think this fool is taking advance thug 101!!! HAHAHAHA! Poor fool! i bet you dont even know the definition of a thug? Lame!! 2Pac said it many fucken times! IM NOT A THUG BECAUSE OF THE DEFINITION IN THE FUCKEN DICTIONARY! IM A THUG BECAUSE I CAME FROM THE GUTTER!!! AND HE NEVER CLAIMED A GANG EITHER!!! FUUUCK!! GET THAT THROUGH YOUR FUCKEN HEAD! YOUR WASTING YOUR TIME HOMIE!! YOU ACT LIKE YOU CAME UP WITH THE DEFINITION!!
Keep tryin homeboy. Pac groupie at its finest...
Yeah exactly what i thought!! "Pac groupie at its finest" is as far as you will get with your fake ass argument! Fake ass Thug!!!Your trying to prove something to everyone but nobody gives a fuck! How can you sit here and argue about someones thug level??? HAHAHAHAHA! you got to be a retard homie! I think keep trying goes for you because you aint getting nowhere! Like i said again! I never heard 2Pac claim to be from a gang or say he was a Thug according to your expert definition! So until you prove he said that, than your argument is pointless! Who let this child in this forum????
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Bitch or not...Hughes is right, Tupac wasnt no gangsta lol. Comin up I was a big Pac fan...but real shit, he wasnt a gangsta. As a rapper, he was tight for sure. Everybody gives Lil Wayne shit (and he deserves it, fuck him...) because he started claimin Blood AFTER he got famous....but how much different is that then Pac turnin into a thug AFTER he got famous? I love Pac.....but I still gotta be real about it.
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Well Pac was never claiming any crip or blood shit...Now I never heard lil waynes music, so I don't know if he is out shouting and repping that stuff in his music but pac sure wasn't. Pac wasn't screaming gang shit like snoop, daz, and kurupt.
How you gonna say that Pac wasn't a thug? He got fatally gunned down by gangbangers, before that he took like 5 bullets, he had been to prison. He rolled w/ Death Row - the most gangsta music label ever. Now he may not have been as gangsta as say O-Dogg was portrayed in the movie, but c'mon pac was a thug. He is from the ghetto, his mom was a black panther, got killed by the gun, I mean what more do you want then everything I have named?
What is it that you guys all think makes someone a thug? I see lil' fuckin weenies all the time in sactown that are supposed to be thugs. Hell, they may actually be in a reputable Blood gang. But these kids ain't nothin but weenies...they are like 150 lbs tops, they couldn't do shit in a fight.
Like I said...I dig Pac, the artist. But most of Pacs "thug" shit came AFTER he got famous. Thats not a thug....thats fuckin STUPID! Before that he was attending art school and back up dancing for Digital Underground. To be honest man, none of the shit u mentioned makes u a thug. Getting shot doesnt make u a thug (anybody can get shot), going to prison doesnt make u a thug (he went on a sexual assault charge), bein a rapper on Death Row doesnt make u a thug (Rage rapped for Death Row), being from the ghetto for damn sure doesnt make u a thug, his mom being a Panther has absolutely nothing to do with thugs. Once again, Pac to me was the typical case of a dude who fell in love with that thug lifestyle...but really had no business bein around it. You dont become a thug in your 20's.
what is it that makes you a thug then?
First off, lemme ask u this. If you molest a kid and go to prison...would u be a thug? If you were standing at a bus stop and unintentionally shot in a drive by....would u be a thug? If you were born in the ghetto and become a huge success....would u be a thug?
I will give u this, what a "thug" is could be directly related to what environment youre in. But Pac was definetely reflecting a certain environment. Before he was famous, he wasnt exactly runnin around super banged out and really involved in any kind of thug lifestyle, and definetely not no gangsta lifestyle. He was just a kid from the hood. Theres a lot of kids from the hood, and like Pac...most of em arent thugs. You tell me, if u see a cat who didnt grow up a thug....start thuggin it AFTER they get rich and famous in an industry where at the time, "thug" sells...what would u think? Again, I dont knock him or his hustle and Pac the artist was off the chain. Im just sayin how I see it, and how a lot of people see it but dont want to admit it outloud cus its Pac.
I think this fool is taking advance thug 101!!! HAHAHAHA! Poor fool! i bet you dont even know the definition of a thug? Lame!! 2Pac said it many fucken times! IM NOT A THUG BECAUSE OF THE DEFINITION IN THE FUCKEN DICTIONARY! IM A THUG BECAUSE I CAME FROM THE GUTTER!!! AND HE NEVER CLAIMED A GANG EITHER!!! FUUUCK!! GET THAT THROUGH YOUR FUCKEN HEAD! YOUR WASTING YOUR TIME HOMIE!! YOU ACT LIKE YOU CAME UP WITH THE DEFINITION!!
Keep tryin homeboy. Pac groupie at its finest...
Yeah exactly what i thought!! "Pac groupie at its finest" is as far as you will get with your fake ass argument! Fake ass Thug!!!Your trying to prove something to everyone but nobody gives a fuck! How can you sit here and argue about someones thug level??? HAHAHAHAHA! you got to be a retard homie! I think keep trying goes for you because you aint getting nowhere! Like i said again! I never heard 2Pac claim to be from a gang or say he was a Thug according to your expert definition! So until you prove he said that, than your argument is pointless! Who let this child in this forum????
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I think this fool is taking advance thug 101!!! HAHAHAHA! Poor fool! i bet you dont even know the definition of a thug? Lame!! 2Pac said it many fucken times! IM NOT A THUG BECAUSE OF THE DEFINITION IN THE FUCKEN DICTIONARY! IM A THUG BECAUSE I CAME FROM THE GUTTER!!! AND HE NEVER CLAIMED A GANG EITHER!!! FUUUCK!! GET THAT THROUGH YOUR FUCKEN HEAD! YOUR WASTING YOUR TIME HOMIE!! YOU ACT LIKE YOU CAME UP WITH THE DEFINITION!!
damn , catching feelings like that, lol . and he did claim a gang at 25 years old, being high and drunk all the time hanging around with retards
What gang was that??? Why dont you name it and maybe ill give you credit for your comment? and nobody is catching feelings! i just cant believe you idiots waste your time talking about this as if you guys are fucken thug critics!! You must be that other fools boyfriend huh??
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I think this fool is taking advance thug 101!!! HAHAHAHA! Poor fool! i bet you dont even know the definition of a thug? Lame!! 2Pac said it many fucken times! IM NOT A THUG BECAUSE OF THE DEFINITION IN THE FUCKEN DICTIONARY! IM A THUG BECAUSE I CAME FROM THE GUTTER!!! AND HE NEVER CLAIMED A GANG EITHER!!! FUUUCK!! GET THAT THROUGH YOUR FUCKEN HEAD! YOUR WASTING YOUR TIME HOMIE!! YOU ACT LIKE YOU CAME UP WITH THE DEFINITION!!
damn , catching feelings like that, lol . and he did claim a gang at 25 years old, being high and drunk all the time hanging around with retards
What gang was that??? Why dont you name it and maybe ill give you credit for your comment? and nobody is catching feelings! i just cant believe you idiots waste your time talking about this as if you guys are fucken thug critics!! You must be that other fools boyfriend huh??
well, you are catching feelings, obviously . calm down, no need to yell and get your panties in a bunch because some idiots want to speculate about a dead manīs street cred. and keep those gay thoughts to yourself, i donīt know who youīre talking about. just saw you getting all serious and clowned, itīs the fucking internet, people talk about these kinds of stupid things constantly. thatīs the point of a forum, discussion. get drunk or laid, chill out.
and what comes to pacīs affiliation , even other rappers say he was claiming blood near the end . itīs not hard to see.
not like i give a fuck but you asked so i answered. yeah i know , MOB stands for a few things but thatīs what he was yelling on records
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I think people on either extreme side of the Pac story have it wrong. Pac was a human. For either group to look at him beyond that is foolish to me. Pac made mistakes. One side wants to make them way bigger than they are and say he was just a worthless criminal then you have another group who wants to act like because it's Pac, not only is it not a mistake but it's some holy act of greatness by a modern-day saint that should be glorified because it was done by someone who always keeps it real. The guy was a person like all of us. As an artist, he had a stronger work ethic and was arguably more creative but he fucked up like all of us do in our lives. People actually think because the guy is able to express deep thoughts in his music that he is incapable of being a loud-mouth idiot at times? Especially when he was just in his mid-20's? Forget it.
to all the people talking about "allen is saying the truth"
if Pac didn't even touch them, why was he convicted instead of the other 12 guys
just one thing I don't understand
Because Pac was the one who got arrested for it. He might have been able to shake the case too if the prosecution didn't have a video of Pac on Yo! MTV Raps taking credit for the assault and bragging about it.
12 Rollin 40's jumped him ? on the set ? where was O DOG , CAINE , and the rest
It wasn't on the "Menace II Society" set. I'm pretty sure the Hughes Brothers was doing a Spice-1 video and Pac showed up.
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I think this fool is taking advance thug 101!!! HAHAHAHA! Poor fool! i bet you dont even know the definition of a thug? Lame!! 2Pac said it many fucken times! IM NOT A THUG BECAUSE OF THE DEFINITION IN THE FUCKEN DICTIONARY! IM A THUG BECAUSE I CAME FROM THE GUTTER!!! AND HE NEVER CLAIMED A GANG EITHER!!! FUUUCK!! GET THAT THROUGH YOUR FUCKEN HEAD! YOUR WASTING YOUR TIME HOMIE!! YOU ACT LIKE YOU CAME UP WITH THE DEFINITION!!
damn , catching feelings like that, lol . and he did claim a gang at 25 years old, being high and drunk all the time hanging around with retards
What gang was that??? Why dont you name it and maybe ill give you credit for your comment? and nobody is catching feelings! i just cant believe you idiots waste your time talking about this as if you guys are fucken thug critics!! You must be that other fools boyfriend huh??
well, you are catching feelings, obviously . calm down, no need to yell and get your panties in a bunch because some idiots want to speculate about a dead manīs street cred. and keep those gay thoughts to yourself, i donīt know who youīre talking about. just saw you getting all serious and clowned, itīs the fucking internet, people talk about these kinds of stupid things constantly. thatīs the point of a forum, discussion. get drunk or laid, chill out.
and what comes to pacīs affiliation , even other rappers say he was claiming blood near the end . itīs not hard to see.
not like i give a fuck but you asked so i answered. yeah i know , MOB stands for a few things but thatīs what he was yelling on records
Well if you dont give a fuck then shut your mouth!! Was i talking to you?? Nope!!! Since its the internet like you said, than it also gives me the right to write back to you right? Exactly!! If my comments were directed toward you than i would understand! But i was not talking to you!! And You might think im pissed of or getting my panties in a bunch like u said with your corny comments but im not! I guess its my fault for writing in bold and with a bunch of exclamations but like i said, it was only towards that dude that has been arguing with everyone! So to try and make it clear to him, i felt i had put shit in bold letters and exclamations ya dig????? You think im going to stress over this fool? I said it was your boyfriend cuz i didnt really see why you had to defend him or get involved, so i felt he was your property or something hahaha! Plus, ususally bitches are the ones that cant mind there own and come out all chismosas, so i figured you had female tendancies! My Bad! and for your information MOB is basically money over bitches!!! or just plain MOB!! He never claimed he was from a gang! now if you want to relate as simple word like MOB to him claiming a gang than shit, he was proabably from a grip of gangs! That dont mean shit!!! He would also say that he had friends and was affiliated with bloods and crips but when would you here pac say he was Crip or Blood like say, Snoop or Daz, or Tray D, or mack 10 etc!!! Never!!!!! And if you did hear that, let me know what song or video or whatever! Or rappers that supposedly claimed that shit! Plus why would u believe them? Did u hear it yourself? And please dont tell me you were next to him and you heard him or some bullshit lie like these other fake ass gangstas that claim to be thug critics! Did you know that many Bloods and Crips came from black panthers? Thats why u see the affiliation and respect they had for him cuz obviously his family was B.P.! Whats funny is that you told me "No need to Yell" hahahahahahah! How can u just assume that??? No mames!! You guys are hilarious!! My bad for using exclamations!
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I think people on either extreme side of the Pac story have it wrong. Pac was a human. For either group to look at him beyond that is foolish to me. Pac made mistakes. One side wants to make them way bigger than they are and say he was just a worthless criminal then you have another group who wants to act like because it's Pac, not only is it not a mistake but it's some holy act of greatness by a modern-day saint that should be glorified because it was done by someone who always keeps it real. The guy was a person like all of us. As an artist, he had a stronger work ethic and was arguably more creative but he fucked up like all of us do in our lives. People actually think because the guy is able to express deep thoughts in his music that he is incapable of being a loud-mouth idiot at times? Especially when he was just in his mid-20's? Forget it.
to all the people talking about "allen is saying the truth"
if Pac didn't even touch them, why was he convicted instead of the other 12 guys
just one thing I don't understand
Because Pac was the one who got arrested for it. He might have been able to shake the case too if the prosecution didn't have a video of Pac on Yo! MTV Raps taking credit for the assault and bragging about it.
12 Rollin 40's jumped him ? on the set ? where was O DOG , CAINE , and the rest
It wasn't on the "Menace II Society" set. I'm pretty sure the Hughes Brothers was doing a Spice-1 video and Pac showed up.
I agree with with you Jimmy h. Thats exactly what i mean! He is human!!! He made some mistakes and had wreckless life and had fucked up peers! Thats why he said he was a thug! Cuz he was from the streets or gutter!! everyone else is just being negative! taking it to the extremes!
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Bitch or not...Hughes is right, Tupac wasnt no gangsta lol. Comin up I was a big Pac fan...but real shit, he wasnt a gangsta. As a rapper, he was tight for sure. Everybody gives Lil Wayne shit (and he deserves it, fuck him...) because he started claimin Blood AFTER he got famous....but how much different is that then Pac turnin into a thug AFTER he got famous? I love Pac.....but I still gotta be real about it.
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Well Pac was never claiming any crip or blood shit...Now I never heard lil waynes music, so I don't know if he is out shouting and repping that stuff in his music but pac sure wasn't. Pac wasn't screaming gang shit like snoop, daz, and kurupt.
How you gonna say that Pac wasn't a thug? He got fatally gunned down by gangbangers, before that he took like 5 bullets, he had been to prison. He rolled w/ Death Row - the most gangsta music label ever. Now he may not have been as gangsta as say O-Dogg was portrayed in the movie, but c'mon pac was a thug. He is from the ghetto, his mom was a black panther, got killed by the gun, I mean what more do you want then everything I have named?
What is it that you guys all think makes someone a thug? I see lil' fuckin weenies all the time in sactown that are supposed to be thugs. Hell, they may actually be in a reputable Blood gang. But these kids ain't nothin but weenies...they are like 150 lbs tops, they couldn't do shit in a fight.
Like I said...I dig Pac, the artist. But most of Pacs "thug" shit came AFTER he got famous. Thats not a thug....thats fuckin STUPID! Before that he was attending art school and back up dancing for Digital Underground. To be honest man, none of the shit u mentioned makes u a thug. Getting shot doesnt make u a thug (anybody can get shot), going to prison doesnt make u a thug (he went on a sexual assault charge), bein a rapper on Death Row doesnt make u a thug (Rage rapped for Death Row), being from the ghetto for damn sure doesnt make u a thug, his mom being a Panther has absolutely nothing to do with thugs. Once again, Pac to me was the typical case of a dude who fell in love with that thug lifestyle...but really had no business bein around it. You dont become a thug in your 20's.
what is it that makes you a thug then?
First off, lemme ask u this. If you molest a kid and go to prison...would u be a thug? If you were standing at a bus stop and unintentionally shot in a drive by....would u be a thug? If you were born in the ghetto and become a huge success....would u be a thug?
I will give u this, what a "thug" is could be directly related to what environment youre in. But Pac was definetely reflecting a certain environment. Before he was famous, he wasnt exactly runnin around super banged out and really involved in any kind of thug lifestyle, and definetely not no gangsta lifestyle. He was just a kid from the hood. Theres a lot of kids from the hood, and like Pac...most of em arent thugs. You tell me, if u see a cat who didnt grow up a thug....start thuggin it AFTER they get rich and famous in an industry where at the time, "thug" sells...what would u think? Again, I dont knock him or his hustle and Pac the artist was off the chain. Im just sayin how I see it, and how a lot of people see it but dont want to admit it outloud cus its Pac.
I think this fool is taking advance thug 101!!! HAHAHAHA! Poor fool! i bet you dont even know the definition of a thug? Lame!! 2Pac said it many fucken times! IM NOT A THUG BECAUSE OF THE DEFINITION IN THE FUCKEN DICTIONARY! IM A THUG BECAUSE I CAME FROM THE GUTTER!!! AND HE NEVER CLAIMED A GANG EITHER!!! FUUUCK!! GET THAT THROUGH YOUR FUCKEN HEAD! YOUR WASTING YOUR TIME HOMIE!! YOU ACT LIKE YOU CAME UP WITH THE DEFINITION!!
Keep tryin homeboy. Pac groupie at its finest...
Yeah exactly what i thought!! "Pac groupie at its finest" is as far as you will get with your fake ass argument! Fake ass Thug!!!Your trying to prove something to everyone but nobody gives a fuck! How can you sit here and argue about someones thug level??? HAHAHAHAHA! you got to be a retard homie! I think keep trying goes for you because you aint getting nowhere! Like i said again! I never heard 2Pac claim to be from a gang or say he was a Thug according to your expert definition! So until you prove he said that, than your argument is pointless! Who let this child in this forum????
First off, I been on this forum about 8 yrs or so...and listenin to Pac when he originally came out. And if your argument is that Pac never claimed he was a thug...we can end the argument right there. lol You sound stupid homeboy. Im sure your just another dummy from outta state speakin on some shit u know nothing about. Ima just leave it at that. No point internet arguin with some Pac groupie geek. Keep idolizing another man u dont even know...this homosexuality shit is gettin out of control...
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I think this fool is taking advance thug 101!!! HAHAHAHA! Poor fool! i bet you dont even know the definition of a thug? Lame!! 2Pac said it many fucken times! IM NOT A THUG BECAUSE OF THE DEFINITION IN THE FUCKEN DICTIONARY! IM A THUG BECAUSE I CAME FROM THE GUTTER!!! AND HE NEVER CLAIMED A GANG EITHER!!! FUUUCK!! GET THAT THROUGH YOUR FUCKEN HEAD! YOUR WASTING YOUR TIME HOMIE!! YOU ACT LIKE YOU CAME UP WITH THE DEFINITION!!
damn , catching feelings like that, lol . and he did claim a gang at 25 years old, being high and drunk all the time hanging around with retards
What gang was that??? Why dont you name it and maybe ill give you credit for your comment? and nobody is catching feelings! i just cant believe you idiots waste your time talking about this as if you guys are fucken thug critics!! You must be that other fools boyfriend huh??
well, you are catching feelings, obviously . calm down, no need to yell and get your panties in a bunch because some idiots want to speculate about a dead manīs street cred. and keep those gay thoughts to yourself, i donīt know who youīre talking about. just saw you getting all serious and clowned, itīs the fucking internet, people talk about these kinds of stupid things constantly. thatīs the point of a forum, discussion. get drunk or laid, chill out.
and what comes to pacīs affiliation , even other rappers say he was claiming blood near the end . itīs not hard to see.
not like i give a fuck but you asked so i answered. yeah i know , MOB stands for a few things but thatīs what he was yelling on records
Heres the thing. Like I said before, he is somewhere in the middle. I dont see him as a bitch, dont see him as a thug. I started discussing it cus it came up in this thread. I just find it funny how kids idolize some of these rappers...and believe any image they put out there. You can usually tell the ones cus they get extra emotional n shit in these threads like callin out they favorite rapper is the same as slappin they mama in the face lol.
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lol, this fool talks shit damn near 2 decades later? What a bitch. Pac said it himself, "besides rappin, only thing I did good was scrappin".
There has been a huge effort from the powers that be to portray 2pac negatively. He wasn't playing their game and thats why he was off'd.
And please tell me where Pac ever claimed he was a blood? He said he wasn't a banger, he was a thug.
Yall think what you want, but most of yall dissin either only knew of Pac after he died and what the media has told you about him. So I ain't mad at cha.
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hack prolly knows of where and in what interview or song pac was reppin the bloods
where you at hack?
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Why does everybody have this overwhelming need to lick Tupacs balls? The dude was (most likely) a total asshole from what we've heard. He was also a real big tough guy when you got a dozen other people kicking a guy on the ground (right before he died at the Tyson fight), but who knows how tough he was if it was one on one. I know its hard for you guys to accept but Tupac was pretty much a piece of shit. He hated on the man that got him his biggest hit (Dr. Dre), talked shit about somebody he knew nothing about and then pussed out when he finally saw him (Nas), beat up on Sam Sneed when he has a room of ppl backing him up, and coincidently became a lot tougher and more bad ass when he is standing behind fat ass Suge Knight. How convenient. Take the motherfucker off the pedastal already. He was a great rapper but a piece of shit as a human being.
Tupac was the one who shot 2 cops in the ass to save a black dude being beated up.
He was the one who helped a lot of talentless young broke rappers to get some shine.
Huges Bros. too late to speak.. losers!
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Bitch or not...Hughes is right, Tupac wasnt no gangsta lol. Comin up I was a big Pac fan...but real shit, he wasnt a gangsta. As a rapper, he was tight for sure. Everybody gives Lil Wayne shit (and he deserves it, fuck him...) because he started claimin Blood AFTER he got famous....but how much different is that then Pac turnin into a thug AFTER he got famous? I love Pac.....but I still gotta be real about it.
The THUG LIFE started in Oakland, it has nothing to do with being famous... 2Pac changed when he move to the Bay Area at 17 years old or something, you should see the "Thug Angel" DVD about it.
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People get to hooked on an image. I love Pac. But i wouldnt doubt this too much. While I do admit Pac probably could fight a bit, I wouldnt be surprised if other guys jumped in for Pac
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Bitch or not...Hughes is right, Tupac wasnt no gangsta lol. Comin up I was a big Pac fan...but real shit, he wasnt a gangsta. As a rapper, he was tight for sure. Everybody gives Lil Wayne shit (and he deserves it, fuck him...) because he started claimin Blood AFTER he got famous....but how much different is that then Pac turnin into a thug AFTER he got famous? I love Pac.....but I still gotta be real about it.
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Well Pac was never claiming any crip or blood shit...Now I never heard lil waynes music, so I don't know if he is out shouting and repping that stuff in his music but pac sure wasn't. Pac wasn't screaming gang shit like snoop, daz, and kurupt.
How you gonna say that Pac wasn't a thug? He got fatally gunned down by gangbangers, before that he took like 5 bullets, he had been to prison. He rolled w/ Death Row - the most gangsta music label ever. Now he may not have been as gangsta as say O-Dogg was portrayed in the movie, but c'mon pac was a thug. He is from the ghetto, his mom was a black panther, got killed by the gun, I mean what more do you want then everything I have named?
What is it that you guys all think makes someone a thug? I see lil' fuckin weenies all the time in sactown that are supposed to be thugs. Hell, they may actually be in a reputable Blood gang. But these kids ain't nothin but weenies...they are like 150 lbs tops, they couldn't do shit in a fight.
Like I said...I dig Pac, the artist. But most of Pacs "thug" shit came AFTER he got famous. Thats not a thug....thats fuckin STUPID! Before that he was attending art school and back up dancing for Digital Underground. To be honest man, none of the shit u mentioned makes u a thug. Getting shot doesnt make u a thug (anybody can get shot), going to prison doesnt make u a thug (he went on a sexual assault charge), bein a rapper on Death Row doesnt make u a thug (Rage rapped for Death Row), being from the ghetto for damn sure doesnt make u a thug, his mom being a Panther has absolutely nothing to do with thugs. Once again, Pac to me was the typical case of a dude who fell in love with that thug lifestyle...but really had no business bein around it. You dont become a thug in your 20's.
what is it that makes you a thug then?
First off, lemme ask u this. If you molest a kid and go to prison...would u be a thug? If you were standing at a bus stop and unintentionally shot in a drive by....would u be a thug? If you were born in the ghetto and become a huge success....would u be a thug?
I will give u this, what a "thug" is could be directly related to what environment youre in. But Pac was definetely reflecting a certain environment. Before he was famous, he wasnt exactly runnin around super banged out and really involved in any kind of thug lifestyle, and definetely not no gangsta lifestyle. He was just a kid from the hood. Theres a lot of kids from the hood, and like Pac...most of em arent thugs. You tell me, if u see a cat who didnt grow up a thug....start thuggin it AFTER they get rich and famous in an industry where at the time, "thug" sells...what would u think? Again, I dont knock him or his hustle and Pac the artist was off the chain. Im just sayin how I see it, and how a lot of people see it but dont want to admit it outloud cus its Pac.
I think this fool is taking advance thug 101!!! HAHAHAHA! Poor fool! i bet you dont even know the definition of a thug? Lame!! 2Pac said it many fucken times! IM NOT A THUG BECAUSE OF THE DEFINITION IN THE FUCKEN DICTIONARY! IM A THUG BECAUSE I CAME FROM THE GUTTER!!! AND HE NEVER CLAIMED A GANG EITHER!!! FUUUCK!! GET THAT THROUGH YOUR FUCKEN HEAD! YOUR WASTING YOUR TIME HOMIE!! YOU ACT LIKE YOU CAME UP WITH THE DEFINITION!!
Keep tryin homeboy. Pac groupie at its finest...
Yeah exactly what i thought!! "Pac groupie at its finest" is as far as you will get with your fake ass argument! Fake ass Thug!!!Your trying to prove something to everyone but nobody gives a fuck! How can you sit here and argue about someones thug level??? HAHAHAHAHA! you got to be a retard homie! I think keep trying goes for you because you aint getting nowhere! Like i said again! I never heard 2Pac claim to be from a gang or say he was a Thug according to your expert definition! So until you prove he said that, than your argument is pointless! Who let this child in this forum????
First off, I been on this forum about 8 yrs or so...and listenin to Pac when he originally came out. And if your argument is that Pac never claimed he was a thug...we can end the argument right there. lol You sound stupid homeboy. Im sure your just another dummy from outta state speakin on some shit u know nothing about. Ima just leave it at that. No point internet arguin with some Pac groupie geek. Keep idolizing another man u dont even know...this homosexuality shit is gettin out of control...
I was born and raised in South Central LA homie so stop assuming shit!!! And just like i thought, your best option was to shut the fuck up!!! Fake ass thug! what the fuck you know! Your argument is purely based on your stupid ideas and definitions!! Im basing it on what Pac would say!! So why dont you get off my nuts and Pacs as well! Give me the facts homie and than maybe ill give you credit for your stupid ideas! fucken hater!!! And i been on the forums for years as well!! And if you claim you listened to Pac when he originally came out, than what the fuck you talking about man???? Dont you listen to the music? No fucken shit he would say he was a thug in every record probably but understand why lame!!! He clearly says it himself!!! Damn your an idiot! Ignorant, hard headed, indenial bitch!! Like denzel says, you hearing but you aint listening!!! And than you act like if you knew Pac personally!! Your stupid if you think im taking your bitch ass serious! Fake ass thug!
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Bitch or not...Hughes is right, Tupac wasnt no gangsta lol. Comin up I was a big Pac fan...but real shit, he wasnt a gangsta. As a rapper, he was tight for sure. Everybody gives Lil Wayne shit (and he deserves it, fuck him...) because he started claimin Blood AFTER he got famous....but how much different is that then Pac turnin into a thug AFTER he got famous? I love Pac.....but I still gotta be real about it.
The THUG LIFE started in Oakland, it has nothing to do with being famous... 2Pac changed when he move to the Bay Area at 17 years old or something, you should see the "Thug Angel" DVD about it.
True Homie! He even made Thug Life album in 93'-94' where he had his Bro in the record also! He had Big Syke in the mix as well! But 2Pacs whole rapping career started in the west! With digital Underground and in his second album, he already had Ice T and Ice Cube on tracks! So his westside affiliation goes waay back! He even met Eazy-E!
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I think this fool is taking advance thug 101!!! HAHAHAHA! Poor fool! i bet you dont even know the definition of a thug? Lame!! 2Pac said it many fucken times! IM NOT A THUG BECAUSE OF THE DEFINITION IN THE FUCKEN DICTIONARY! IM A THUG BECAUSE I CAME FROM THE GUTTER!!! AND HE NEVER CLAIMED A GANG EITHER!!! FUUUCK!! GET THAT THROUGH YOUR FUCKEN HEAD! YOUR WASTING YOUR TIME HOMIE!! YOU ACT LIKE YOU CAME UP WITH THE DEFINITION!!
damn , catching feelings like that, lol . and he did claim a gang at 25 years old, being high and drunk all the time hanging around with retards
What gang was that??? Why dont you name it and maybe ill give you credit for your comment? and nobody is catching feelings! i just cant believe you idiots waste your time talking about this as if you guys are fucken thug critics!! You must be that other fools boyfriend huh??
well, you are catching feelings, obviously . calm down, no need to yell and get your panties in a bunch because some idiots want to speculate about a dead manīs street cred. and keep those gay thoughts to yourself, i donīt know who youīre talking about. just saw you getting all serious and clowned, itīs the fucking internet, people talk about these kinds of stupid things constantly. thatīs the point of a forum, discussion. get drunk or laid, chill out.
and what comes to pacīs affiliation , even other rappers say he was claiming blood near the end . itīs not hard to see.
not like i give a fuck but you asked so i answered. yeah i know , MOB stands for a few things but thatīs what he was yelling on records
Heres the thing. Like I said before, he is somewhere in the middle. I dont see him as a bitch, dont see him as a thug. I started discussing it cus it came up in this thread. I just find it funny how kids idolize some of these rappers...and believe any image they put out there. You can usually tell the ones cus they get extra emotional n shit in these threads like callin out they favorite rapper is the same as slappin they mama in the face lol.
"He is somewhere in the middle"????? HAHAHAHAHHAHAH! That shit is hilarious!!! I give up!! I been listening to Hip Hop for More than a fucken decade! Thats why im passionate about Hip Hop! Its not about Pac! its about people being negative and talking shit, especially after someones death! No wonder the west cant get it together! to many fucken haters!
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No matter what your opinion of is pac,this shit was just pathetic.Speaking down on a man this many years after his death,what a fucking pussy.
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No matter what your opinion of is pac,this shit was just pathetic.Speaking down on a man this many years after his death,what a fucking pussy.
if u niggas read more than jus readin shit out of context...
both of the twins said the samething in the complex wit zoe n eminem on the covers..
they asked both of em about it before the interview ended..
n they was like pac didnt do nuthin the 12-15 cats that were wit em did it..and said pac actually apologized yrs later about it...
n they spoke highly of the dick yall suckin..
they aint talkin shit about em..
jus tellin the truth of the he say she say shit that was goin on 4 yrs..
and he couldnt fight
his own niggas on that thug immortal dvd.. said whenever pac had to fight he would get on the ground n kick...kuz he didnt have hands
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I think people on either extreme side of the Pac story have it wrong. Pac was a human. For either group to look at him beyond that is foolish to me. Pac made mistakes. One side wants to make them way bigger than they are and say he was just a worthless criminal then you have another group who wants to act like because it's Pac, not only is it not a mistake but it's some holy act of greatness by a modern-day saint that should be glorified because it was done by someone who always keeps it real. The guy was a person like all of us. As an artist, he had a stronger work ethic and was arguably more creative but he fucked up like all of us do in our lives. People actually think because the guy is able to express deep thoughts in his music that he is incapable of being a loud-mouth idiot at times? Especially when he was just in his mid-20's? Forget it.
to all the people talking about "allen is saying the truth"
if Pac didn't even touch them, why was he convicted instead of the other 12 guys
just one thing I don't understand
Because Pac was the one who got arrested for it. He might have been able to shake the case too if the prosecution didn't have a video of Pac on Yo! MTV Raps taking credit for the assault and bragging about it.
12 Rollin 40's jumped him ? on the set ? where was O DOG , CAINE , and the rest
It wasn't on the "Menace II Society" set. I'm pretty sure the Hughes Brothers was doing a Spice-1 video and Pac showed up.
nall was durin the menace set...
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lol, this fool talks shit damn near 2 decades later? What a bitch. Pac said it himself, "besides rappin, only thing I did good was scrappin".
There has been a huge effort from the powers that be to portray 2pac negatively. He wasn't playing their game and thats why he was off'd.
And please tell me where Pac ever claimed he was a blood? He said he wasn't a banger, he was a thug.
Yall think what you want, but most of yall dissin either only knew of Pac after he died and what the media has told you about him. So I ain't mad at cha.
2pac claimed blood near the end of his life. Do to his affiliation with Suge Knight, he pretty much became one via association. Though, in his earlier carrier he never banged.
Anyways, on the subject.
I find that The Hughes brothers timing is seriously horrible, and hasn't been spoken about or been on anyways mind at the very least since the "Tupac Resurrection" Documentary and before that it pretty much died after the Trail. No one spoke on it again, nor did anyone care. Only time it got brought up was when "Menace II Society" is being talked about, and the subject pertained to either A. The making of it B. Tupac during that year or C. Documentary pertaining to the Hughs brothers, in which that incident isn't even brought up.
People can say what ever they want. The fact is this, none of you know who is correct, and this shit is just her say. You can say "nigga is riding pacs dick" but why does the Hughes brothers hold more standing??? If anything waiting on it, just destroys any truth. How can you Remember a incident that's over 13 years old, so vividly??? 2pac said he beat there asses, but he said he just Punched em out nothing more and that it wasn't a huge thing. Now how come none of the media at the time talked about the Other supposed attackers???
Wouldn't that be a perfect story??? A rapper and his Gang beat down 2 up and coming black filmmakers, so how come they were never mentioned??? All they said was 2pac did it, Now even if the other people weren't famous, even in the Rape case, they had "2pac and friends" even though it was stated he didn't know them in countless interviews. So if these guys were supposedly friends, or were supposedly with his crew, how come they didn't get any mention???
I'm not defending 2pac, cause honestly the issue is dead, and is over with and the Hughes brothers bringing it up really is retarded in itself. All I'm saying, is people you can take sides, thinking you're right, but you weren't there.
For all we know, 2pac just sucker punched them and that was it. IMO though, 2pac's version stands just a tad more, because he said it while the incident's repercussions were incurring on him. Meanwhile The Hughes brothers stayed silent. So why not tell the Media and the Police about the other attackers??? If they got jumped so bad, wouldn't you want the asshole to either Rot in Jail or be Dead.
Either way. The main point of this is WHO GIVES A SHIT. The Shit happened in 1992, 2pac went 2 Jail, he got released, he moved on with his life while these 2 fags can't let it go they got beat down Even though the man is Dead, No one hasn't given a shit since, and the fact they pretty much just went off the radar after "From Hell". Does anyone else find it obvious they only did this to drum up attention for there latest 2010 film "The book of Eli" as such, because of there popular Debut, decided to talk about there biggest thing outside of there films anyone ever wondered.
IMO The Hughes brothers aint shit, and I doubt this story has any real truth to it. Just bring it up to drum up attention. Honestly, Its a bullshit punkass move, to use 1 Incident from a guy who's been dead over 13 years to get some attention for there project, when the guy can't even defend any accusations. 2pac made his side be known, up front during the entire repurcussions of it. These guys waited 13 years, and another project (after they fell face off the earth) to even talk about it.
In the end believe what you want, but remember, you weren't there, and you have to look at everything the moment these things are talked about. IMO 2pac's holds more because he was up front after it happened, and didn't wait 13 years just before you're about to release a movie after 8 years.
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DIDN'T HE SHOOTS 2 COPS
No.
'Pac got 4 gangbangers with him, one of them shooting at the cops.
Find one of the 2 cops today, & I'm sure he can come up with that kind of story^^.
LMAO
Imagine that was true^^, do y'all will believe the cop or not?
I mean fuck Hughes, its not like shit happens in private, it happened in public, & he come up after all these years, saying there were like 12 crips on him ??
I don't believe this guy for a one minute.
I don't mean that Tupac beated the shit out of them 2, but its like Puffy coming up today saying how he feared 2pac one day or something..
About Tupac being a thug or not, yes Tupac lived like a thug. He just wasn't a criminal, murderer, robber or whatever, he just hanged around with gangbangers, criminals, & THUGS from the streets.
That's it.
Wasn't he the one (among 2 others) coming with the Thug Code in 1992, talking front of notorious bloods & crips gangbangers ?
Wasn't he the one THREATENING gangbangers during shows, inviting them to come on stage, & causing him not to be able to perform again in those states?
Remember Mopreme & Mutulu saying how he acted suicidal, like he went armed with a bunch of guns, knocking on gang member doors, asking if there was problems ?
&, like some of y'all pretend, did those things happened AFTER he got famous ?
LMAO at fools coming in this thread like 'yeah, I knew it, he isn't a real thug...'.
Like I said, Tupas was a real dude, not a murderer, or a 500strong fighter, he was living the life of a thug, which doesn't mean u got to win 100 one on one fight to become a thug.
Y'all forgot his definition of it was orientted towards the political, comunarity concept: the THUG LIFE as he grew up with nothing & made up from nothing.
That was his meaning of a thug.
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Hughes brothers are lying. I can recall an article many many years ago about how they claimed 2Pac had 'struck' them, and that it was an argument more than anything else. No mention of any gang.
Now, 12 years later, struggling for attention to target a black audience, they come out with this different story to gain some attention from the wider 2Pac fan base
I believe 2Pac over the Hughes Brothers. They clearly kept their mouth shut during his time alive, because they knew they'd get their chord pulled over lies
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I think this fool is taking advance thug 101!!! HAHAHAHA! Poor fool! i bet you dont even know the definition of a thug? Lame!! 2Pac said it many fucken times! IM NOT A THUG BECAUSE OF THE DEFINITION IN THE FUCKEN DICTIONARY! IM A THUG BECAUSE I CAME FROM THE GUTTER!!! AND HE NEVER CLAIMED A GANG EITHER!!! FUUUCK!! GET THAT THROUGH YOUR FUCKEN HEAD! YOUR WASTING YOUR TIME HOMIE!! YOU ACT LIKE YOU CAME UP WITH THE DEFINITION!!
damn , catching feelings like that, lol . and he did claim a gang at 25 years old, being high and drunk all the time hanging around with retards
What gang was that??? Why dont you name it and maybe ill give you credit for your comment? and nobody is catching feelings! i just cant believe you idiots waste your time talking about this as if you guys are fucken thug critics!! You must be that other fools boyfriend huh??
well, you are catching feelings, obviously . calm down, no need to yell and get your panties in a bunch because some idiots want to speculate about a dead manīs street cred. and keep those gay thoughts to yourself, i donīt know who youīre talking about. just saw you getting all serious and clowned, itīs the fucking internet, people talk about these kinds of stupid things constantly. thatīs the point of a forum, discussion. get drunk or laid, chill out.
and what comes to pacīs affiliation , even other rappers say he was claiming blood near the end . itīs not hard to see.
not like i give a fuck but you asked so i answered. yeah i know , MOB stands for a few things but thatīs what he was yelling on records
Heres the thing. Like I said before, he is somewhere in the middle. I dont see him as a bitch, dont see him as a thug. I started discussing it cus it came up in this thread. I just find it funny how kids idolize some of these rappers...and believe any image they put out there. You can usually tell the ones cus they get extra emotional n shit in these threads like callin out they favorite rapper is the same as slappin they mama in the face lol.
"He is somewhere in the middle"????? HAHAHAHAHHAHAH! That shit is hilarious!!! I give up!! I been listening to Hip Hop for More than a fucken decade! Thats why im passionate about Hip Hop! Its not about Pac! its about people being negative and talking shit, especially after someones death! No wonder the west cant get it together! to many fucken haters!
Somwhere in the middle...yah you heard it right. How many fuckin gangstas have u ever been around homie? Man, u on some real internet shit with this. This aint got shit to do with hate, I said before...on some rap shit Pac was off the chain. A decade aint shit. But its funny how muhafuckas these days dont understand what the word hater even means. Tellin the truth about some shit that happens to be negative has nothin to do with hating lol.