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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: D-Nice on December 20, 2009, 10:28:52 AM
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Eminem has murdered Wayne on 2 tracks now LMAO.
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Em didnt murder Wayne on drop the world. Extra credit shouldnt be given just for rappin fast
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Em didnt murder Wayne on drop the world. Extra credit shouldnt be given just for rappin fast
Wayne was reciting poetry lol.
Wayne just shined on the hook, the verses were actually poor for Wayne; but his first was dope.
how do you count greatest alive though? i mean, does Nas & Rakim still count for things they dropped almost twenty years ago? or does it have to be recent? lol.
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Em didnt murder Wayne on drop the world. Extra credit shouldnt be given just for rappin fast
Wayne was reciting poetry lol.
Wayne just shined on the hook, the verses were actually poor for Wayne; but his first was dope.
how do you count greatest alive though? i mean, does Nas & Rakim still count for things they dropped almost twenty years ago? or does it have to be recent? lol.
Trust me, I REALLY don't think Wayne is the greatest. lol
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Em didnt murder Wayne on drop the world. Extra credit shouldnt be given just for rappin fast
Wayne was reciting poetry lol.
Wayne just shined on the hook, the verses were actually poor for Wayne; but his first was dope.
how do you count greatest alive though? i mean, does Nas & Rakim still count for things they dropped almost twenty years ago? or does it have to be recent? lol.
Trust me, I REALLY don't think Wayne is the greatest. lol
i would hope so lol.
i was speaking in general.
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Scarface is the best rapper alive.... ;D
One word;
consistent!!!!
Catalog wise I co sign that. Rapper of all time, I am still on the fence about that one but he is definitely in discussion.
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Wtf do you mean now? Lil Wayne was NEVER the best rapper alive. Talk about Eminem killing him on 2 tracks, go look what T.I. did to him on every song they appeared on together (especially "Swagger Like Us").
Speaking of which, I think T.I.'s name has to be in that category now along with Crooked I, Joe Budden, etc etc etc.
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Wtf do you mean now? Lil Wayne was NEVER the best rapper alive. Talk about Eminem killing him on 2 tracks, go look what T.I. did to him on every song they appeared on together (especially "Swagger Like Us").
Speaking of which, I think T.I.'s name has to be in that category now along with Crooked I, Joe Budden, etc etc etc.
chillax fam it was a joke. Wayne gave himself that name remember, not me ;D
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Wtf do you mean now? Lil Wayne was NEVER the best rapper alive. Talk about Eminem killing him on 2 tracks, go look what T.I. did to him on every song they appeared on together (especially "Swagger Like Us").
Speaking of which, I think T.I.'s name has to be in that category now along with Crooked I, Joe Budden, etc etc etc.
D was being sarcastic, but he does often get murdered on his own shit.
& chill, T.I. is dope, but he is mainstream; he is a singles rapper; a majority of people only talk about him & the singles he drops.
both Crooked, Budden & that group are just better than T.I. by a few miles, but they will never get the exposure T.I. gets, so props to T.I.
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i bet theres a million teenage girls who are sure that wayne is the greatest rapper alive
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Lady of Rage 8)
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i bet theres a million teenage girls who are sure that wayne is the greatest rapper alive
Don't forget Flo Rida & Pitbull
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Wtf do you mean now? Lil Wayne was NEVER the best rapper alive. Talk about Eminem killing him on 2 tracks, go look what T.I. did to him on every song they appeared on together (especially "Swagger Like Us").
Speaking of which, I think T.I.'s name has to be in that category now along with Crooked I, Joe Budden, etc etc etc.
D was being sarcastic, but he does often get murdered on his own shit.
& chill, T.I. is dope, but he is mainstream; he is a singles rapper; a majority of people only talk about him & the singles he drops.
both Crooked, Budden & that group are just better than T.I. by a few miles, but they will never get the exposure T.I. gets, so props to T.I.
nah... tip is killin' anything he spittin on. trap muzik and king alone are hip hop masterpieces. no one's fuckin' wit tip lyrically imo.
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t.i. aint shit next to ludacris i can tell you this here and now...!!!!!!!!!
best rapper alive, there are so many of them i cant name only one but im'a tell you this much, one that really shine right now is rae the chef he got 09' on lock thats for certain
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i bet theres a million teenage girls who are sure that wayne is the greatest rapper alive
same for the trailer trash internet wiggas fascinated by old school westcoast gangsterism who swear the same shit bout marshall
catch 22
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Can someone explain to me what's so special about new Lil Wayne/Eminem song? Cause I don't see it. Lil Wayne sucks (as usual) on that song and Eminem's parts are nothing more than mediocre. I don't think I played the song more than three times.
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Wtf do you mean now? Lil Wayne was NEVER the best rapper alive. Talk about Eminem killing him on 2 tracks, go look what T.I. did to him on every song they appeared on together (especially "Swagger Like Us").
Speaking of which, I think T.I.'s name has to be in that category now along with Crooked I, Joe Budden, etc etc etc.
D was being sarcastic, but he does often get murdered on his own shit.
& chill, T.I. is dope, but he is mainstream; he is a singles rapper; a majority of people only talk about him & the singles he drops.
both Crooked, Budden & that group are just better than T.I. by a few miles, but they will never get the exposure T.I. gets, so props to T.I.
nah... tip is killin' anything he spittin on. trap muzik and king alone are hip hop masterpieces. no one's fuckin' wit tip lyrically imo.
lol.
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t.i. aint shit next to ludacris i can tell you this here and now...!!!!!!!!!
best rapper alive, there are so many of them i cant name only one but im'a tell you this much, one that really shine right now is rae the chef he got 09' on lock thats for certain
Tis albums are far superior to ludacriss albums.Luda is one of the best guest rappers of all time,but when it comes to albums hes a huge dissapointment.
Honestly I think if ti can continue to drop great albums his name will be mentioned with the greats.Number one,hes got great vocals and an amazing flow.He can ride any beat flawlessly.Two,growth.Ti has gotten better each album.Which is extremely rare.Paper trail was his best lyrical album and hes now rapping about shit that actually matters.Look at someone like young jeezy,dude is rapping about the same stuff he was on on his first album.
Ive always been a fan of his dating back to his im serious days,to watch him grow has been a surprise.
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(http://thejournalista.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/joe-budden.jpg)
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As great as I think Joe Budden is,his flow leaves a lot to be desired.
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t.i. aint shit next to ludacris i can tell you this here and now...!!!!!!!!!
best rapper alive, there are so many of them i cant name only one but im'a tell you this much, one that really shine right now is rae the chef he got 09' on lock thats for certain
Tis albums are far superior to ludacriss albums.Luda is one of the best guest rappers of all time,but when it comes to albums hes a huge dissapointment.
Honestly I think if ti can continue to drop great albums his name will be mentioned with the greats.Number one,hes got great vocals and an amazing flow.He can ride any beat flawlessly.Two,growth.Ti has gotten better each album.Which is extremely rare.Paper trail was his best lyrical album and hes now rapping about shit that actually matters.Look at someone like young jeezy,dude is rapping about the same stuff he was on on his first album.
Ive always been a fan of his dating back to his im serious days,to watch him grow has been a surprise.
co sign
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(http://thejournalista.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/joe-budden.jpg)
hands down. 8)
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50 CENT !!!
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If you consider a rapper based on the albums he has put out, then Ice Cube definitely has to be the best rapper alive.
Straight Outta Compton = CLASSIC
AmeriKKKas Most Wanted = CLASSIC
Death Certificate = CLASSIC
The Predator = CLASSIC
Lethal Injection = CLASSIC
Bow Down = CLASSIC
War & Peace Vol. 1 & 2 = DOPE
Terrorist Threats = DOPE
Laugh Now, Cry Later = DOPE
Raw Footage = DOPE
Skillwise it has to be Crooked I, but he needs some albums to prove it.
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Eminem has murdered Wayne on 2 tracks now LMAO.
why is that even a surpise? lil wayne outshining anyone would be a surprise!
He make some good tracks, and his voice offers something different on a remix but he is not a good lyricist.
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NAS ya'll ;)
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Em didnt murder Wayne on drop the world. Extra credit shouldnt be given just for rappin fast
Wayne was reciting poetry lol.
Wayne just shined on the hook, the verses were actually poor for Wayne; but his first was dope.
how do you count greatest alive though? i mean, does Nas & Rakim still count for things they dropped almost twenty years ago? or does it have to be recent? lol.
Don't need to go back 20 years for Nas, his last album shits on pretty much everything out there.
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(http://themixtapemonster.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/royce.jpg)
who's with me?
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Can someone explain to me what's so special about new Lil Wayne/Eminem song? Cause I don't see it. Lil Wayne sucks (as usual) on that song and Eminem's parts are nothing more than mediocre. I don't think I played the song more than three times.
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I think this whole, "eminem murders you on your own track" is getting played out.. It was a good diss when Nas said it to Jay-Z.. But did he really murder Jay on Renegade?? I mean, I think Em had a slightly better verse, but it wasn't like night and day, like he was miles ahead and Jay put out a weak verse or something.. If you think so, go back and read the lyrics.. Anytime you have 2 big MC's on the same track its gonna be debated who had the better verse.. thats fine, but I don't agree with whoever has a better verse all of a sudden now murders the other one.. How come it can't be just a good song? Nobody was talking about Jay got murdered on his own shit until Nas said it, what else was he supposed to say, he was in a beef w/ Jay during that time.
Back to this song, I don't think Eminem murdered Wayne at all.. Like someone said, does he just get points because he raps faster? His lyrics are ok, nothing special.. his flow is getting better, but still nowhere near during his peak. Now, I'm not much of a lil wayne fan at all.. but he fits the song much better than Em. His slow flow at first when the beat is calm, but slowly gets more intense as the beat builds til he gets to the intense hook. I do like when Em first comes in, with that sing songy flow it matches the beat good, but then he just flows too fast.. maybe i would like it better if he's just dropping lyrical jewels while he's flow that fast, but its mediocre lyrics.. So, honestly, in my opinion I would have rather him not been on this song..
I know I'd prob get some hate, but thats probably because its soo popular to hate lil Wayne right now. And its also popular to say Eminem murdered you on your own shit.. I do think Eminem murdered everybody on that Forever song. His verse was miles ahead of the other 3 verses.
I used to hate lil wayne as much of the rest of you guys, but it wasn't his rapping cuz he was decent to me, but I guess I just hated how popular he was, when I thought there were 50 rappers better than him. But I do respect the fact that he's always changing as an artist. This rock inspired Rebirth album is surprisingly enjoyable to me.
And to answer your question, in my opinion neither of these 2 is the greatest rapper alive.
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^i personally feel Eminem owned Jay on that shit. :P
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^i personally feel Eminem owned Jay on that shit. :P
I agree Em did have a better verse.. but owned or murdered are strong words.
What did Em spit that was just miles ahead or just destroyed:
The renegade; you been afraid
I penetrate pop culture, bring 'em a lot closer to the block where they
pop toasters, and they live with they moms
Got dropped roasters, from botched robberies niggaz crotched over
Mommy's knocked up cause she wasn't watched over
Knocked down by some clown when child support knocked
No he's not around - now how that sound to ya, jot it down
I bring it through the ghetto without ridin 'round
hidin down duckin strays from frustrated youths stuck in they ways
Just read a magazine that fucked up my day
How you rate music that thugs with nothin relate to it?
I help them see they way through it - not you
or
Do not step to me - I'm awkward, I box lefty often
My pops left me an orphan, my momma wasn't home
Could not stress to me I wasn't grown; 'specially on nights
I brought somethin home to quiet the stomach rumblings
My demeanor - thirty years my senior
My childhood didn't mean much, only raisin green up
Raisin' my fingers to critics; raisin' my head to the sky
BIG I did it - multi before I die (nigga)
No lie, just know I chose my own fate
I drove by the fork in the road and went straight
Those are some deep lines, and they also paint a nice visual picture.. And this is coming from someone who likes Eminem more than Jay-z. And like I said, Eminem did have 2 dope verses, but owned or murdered? Do u think that Jay's verse was weak?
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i call it attempted murder. ;D
Jay spit some great lines, but Em's lines were just far superior.
i mean, it's not true murder, but it's close enough lol.
the term, "you got murdered on your own shit" is really thrown around like if your feature had a clearly better verse, it's "murder".
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jay just sounded boring as fuck on there, eminem actually put some energy into it
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jay just sounded boring as fuck on there, eminem actually put some energy into it
agreed.. this is the main reason why Eminem takes it for me on Renegade, not really actual lyrics. But the energy combined with the lyrics.
This is also why I prefer Wayne to Em on this drop the world track. His slow flow is a lil more emotional, slowly building to the intense hook.
As opposed to Em's faster flow.. Though he does yell, it seems a little forced to me, probably because he has to yell at the same time flow fast. I just don't get the same emotional attachment w/ Em's verse.
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I also find it interesting because when people say, Jay got murdered on his own shit on Renegade.. I think people forget that the original track was Eminem and Royce. Not to mention that Eminem produced the track. True it appeared on Jay's album, but if its anybodys track its Eminem's. He should be considered the home team on that. Since he made the beat, he had the most access to it, and the most time to decide how to flow and what to say. Jay just got to hear the beat, and get in where he fit in.
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same for the trailer trash internet wiggas fascinated by old school westcoast gangsterism who swear the same shit bout marshall
catch 22
How is that a catch 22?
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If you consider a rapper based on the albums he has put out, then Ice Cube definitely has to be the best rapper alive.
Straight Outta Compton = CLASSIC
AmeriKKKas Most Wanted = CLASSIC
Death Certificate = CLASSIC
The Predator = CLASSIC
Lethal Injection = CLASSIC
Bow Down = CLASSIC
War & Peace Vol. 1 & 2 = DOPE
Terrorist Threats = DOPE
Laugh Now, Cry Later = DOPE
Raw Footage = DOPE
Skillwise it has to be Crooked I, but he needs some albums to prove it.
i feel u on that cube shit it seem like no one wants 2 give him the respect he deserves as a mc
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I also find it interesting because when people say, Jay got murdered on his own shit on Renegade.. I think people forget that the original track was Eminem and Royce. Not to mention that Eminem produced the track. True it appeared on Jay's album, but if its anybodys track its Eminem's. He should be considered the home team on that. Since he made the beat, he had the most access to it, and the most time to decide how to flow and what to say. Jay just got to hear the beat, and get in where he fit in.
Or look it as Jay already heard ems verse and so should have steppped his game up to the track.Hell the fact that jay didnt let em on the next track jay had em produce just showed jays ego wouldnt allow him to be murdered again.
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lol^^^^^
both em and jay are two of the most overrated with the biggest egos thinkin they are best and never endin of anythin to do with rap
jay says he doesnt say hes he best jus cuz....he is the greatest...lol
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jus cuz Em didn't rap on the next track he made for Jay doesn't mean its cuz Jay's ego was soo big he didn't let him. I'm sure Em would have something to say about it, especially if he made the track for him. If I recall, Em was taking a little break from rapping at the time, to concentrate on becoming a better producer. If u use that logic, the guy who started the whole Em murdered you on ur own track stuff, NAS got a track from Em on his very next album, and Em wasn't on the song either. Was he scared too? Em made a bunch of tracks for people but didn't rap on them.. He was in his I wanna be like Dre stage.
But in no way, am I saying Jay doesn't have an ego.. Cuz he probably has the biggest one in the game. But he probably feels he didn't get beat on Renegade. Even Em said himself that he didn't murder Jay on Renegade, he said it was pretty equal. So I'm sure Jay doesn't think in his head that he got murdered.. especially if he has a big ego.
But back on to this topic.. Yeah, I agree with the fact that Ice Cube will never get the respect he deserves. He was the guy who got me first listening to rap. But in all honesty he is also a shell of his former self.. But thats okay. He has way too many interests like movies and stuff to fully concentrate on rapping. During the period between Amerikkka's most wanted and Death Certificate, he was the best rapper on the planet.
But like Cham said, how exactly are we supposed to judge Best Rapper Alive? do we compare everybodies entire discography cuz in that case I would have Ice Cube and Scarface battling for the top spot.. So much classic material between them.
Or are we talking about the best rapper out today.. I guess a better way to ask this question would be is if you can pick one rapper to hear an entire new album of new material in 2010, who would it be?
If thats the case, my vote will go to Andre 3000. He's back to being a rapper and his next solo project is going to be a game changer
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steven (espn duke) asked jay some say kanye rapped better than you on your own song (think they were talkin bout run this town) and jay said he cant be the best every time and out rap everyone everytime...lol
has he outraped everyone everytime whether it was his solo albums bein dope or his features or his collabo traxx?
damn jay is one of the most overrated of all time
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^^^ Yeah on that track "Run this town" Jay did get murdered on his own shit! IMO Jay is well past his prime. He should of stayed retired after the Black Album.
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past his prime maybe...but he can still make dope muzik but most of its radio and love type of muzik
but that d.o.a. is still creative and a dope song but overall it seems like he tries too hard to be a rapper at any level let alone the best rapper alive level
^^^ Yeah on that track "Run this town" Jay did get murdered on his own shit! IMO Jay is well past his prime. He should of stayed retired after the Black Album.
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yeah, I kinda compare it to Michael Jordan. Jay said he was retiring after the Black album, that was like MJ's last shot against Utah in the finals.. Perfect way to end thier careers. Going out on top.
They both decided to come back. Clearly, not as dominant.. but still showed flashes of what they used to be. MJ on the Wizzards was still an all-star level player and dropped a few 40 point games here and there, including hitting a few game-winners. Same with Jigga. He still shows that he can still do it, with D.O.A and some other tracks.. But just not as good as he used to.
In both cases I'm glad each came back, MJ came back.. And I finally got to see him play live at the Staples Center! I got to cross that off my bucket list, haha. And Jay still drops some good stuff here and there. I was just saying in terms of legacy, it would have be an awesome way to go out, at the top of ur game, leaving everybody wanting more, not knowing what they were capable of. This part of what makes B.I.G's and 2Pac's legacy soo great. They were gone at the top of thier game, so we as fans can only wonder how much classics we would have if they were around longer.
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damn nuk33 real talk
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Last time i checked Ice Cube was still alive...........
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I never thought Em murdered Jay on Renegades. I enjoyed both of them but I thought Jay was better. He painted a picture of the struggle,
I had to hustle, my back to the wall, ashy knuckles
Pockets filled with a lot of lint, not a cent
Got to vent, lot of innocent of lives lost on the project bench
What you hollering? Got to pay rent, bring dollars in
By the bodega, iron under my coat, feeling braver
Doo-rag wrapping my waves up, pockets full of hope
Do not step to me - I'm awkward, I box lefty often
My pops left me an orphan, my momma wasn't home
Could not stress to me I wasn't grown; 'specially on nights
I brought something home to quiet the stomach rumblings
My demeanor - thirty years my senior
My childhood didn't mean much, only raisin green up
Raisin my fingers to critics; raisin my head to the sky
Big I did it - multi before I die (nigga)
No lie, just know I chose my own fate
I drove by the fork in the road and went straight
I don't understand how you can say Jay got killed when he spit this verse. That's real shit. Em verse was hell of dope but he just talked about the relationship of people, his art work, and himself. Jay's verse can apply to a lot of down trodden people.
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I never thought Em murdered Jay on Renegades. I enjoyed both of them but I thought Jay was better. He painted a picture of the struggle,
I had to hustle, my back to the wall, ashy knuckles
Pockets filled with a lot of lint, not a cent
Got to vent, lot of innocent of lives lost on the project bench
What you hollering? Got to pay rent, bring dollars in
By the bodega, iron under my coat, feeling braver
Doo-rag wrapping my waves up, pockets full of hope
Do not step to me - I'm awkward, I box lefty often
My pops left me an orphan, my momma wasn't home
Could not stress to me I wasn't grown; 'specially on nights
I brought something home to quiet the stomach rumblings
My demeanor - thirty years my senior
My childhood didn't mean much, only raisin green up
Raisin my fingers to critics; raisin my head to the sky
Big I did it - multi before I die (nigga)
No lie, just know I chose my own fate
I drove by the fork in the road and went straight
I don't understand how you can say Jay got killed when he spit this verse. That's real shit. Em verse was hell of dope but he just talked about the relationship of people, his art work, and himself. Jay's verse can apply to a lot of down trodden people.
I think a lot of it was because of the unusual flow jay used on it