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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: S.C. The Beast on December 27, 2009, 06:29:49 PM
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I know people really like to take this shit to heart (ex: hack wilson, dont get mad, your who came to mind) when you aren't praising Crookeds music the way alot of people around here do, but on some real shit i dont really see anything special about him. He has a terrible flow, trying to fit as many words into one bar as possible and sometimes they dont rhyme or dont make sense, he has some bullshit punchlines and metaphors that aren't unnecessary (ex: if eatin niggas made you obese, i'd be the blob). I can bump a few of his tracks, nwa, this is how we do this, g'd up and banged out, im so crooked. But after listening to his last e.p's, he does not impress me. I think the reason for this is that he does not take time to write his verses, resorts to doing this shit off the top of his head and it just ends up sounding bad. I want to know what it is yall like so much about him. Challenge my opinion if you wish but do back it up, audio is appreciated.
ps: nigga took some time to write this, if you read it its appreciated. sensible responses are welcomed, shit even bullshit responses
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Crooked I is an xtremely talented mc - no question. Flow, spit-technice whatever.. Dunno if his later catalog is the best proof of his qualities, check out his earlier performnces recorded during his "Big C-Style years". However, Crooked I doesn't really make any "good music" - but dat makes sense, he's an MC - n real MC's usually don't kno how to fucckin create music (ask Chino XL). But put the lil' nigga in a battle-cypher, n I'm sure he's eating up everybody alive.. 8)
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not every bar has to ryhme with the bar before
but crooked is/was one of the best rappers to ever touch a mic period
he can and has ripped the mic for many years...and he still is maybe not every song but he still can
hes talented and his wackest song is better than waynes, akon, tpain, rick ross entire life on and off the street
why? cuz its lyricisim at its finest
he isnt jus a normal rapper
hes a dope rapper that hasnt put an album out correct....but the songs that hes put out have been near classic and dope
and not many can rip the mic like he can still to this day
IF YOU THINK THERE ARE BETTER RAPPERS THAN HIM...START DROPPIN NAMES AND WELL SEE
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I've always thought Crooked I was dope and can't really think of any moments where he was "wacK" at all... I just wish he was signed to another label and had different producers around him
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can't hate on your opinion, but I think he has a great flow.
what track would u say that his flow was off?
bottom line if he had a team of producers around him the way Game does, he would be huge.
given the amount of music he puts out, his lyrics are still on point.
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Shock Post.
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Crooked is aight i knowima get attack 4 this but roccett is better
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Crooked is aight i knowima get attack 4 this but roccett is better
lmao....yeah you should get attacked for that
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Crooked is aight i knowima get attack 4 this but roccett is better
lmao....yeah you should get attacked for that
u make it sound like roccett aint dope or somethin.
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Roccett has mad spit and a sense of realism. He can make a better song than Crooked I, but Crook would kill him in a battle.
Something people ain't mention - Crook drops knowledge consistently on tracks. He doesn't go in the booth looking to make a hit. You can tell he's very socially conscious and has tracks with a real message, he just needs to drop that thug image - it doesn't fit his style and it's unnecessary.
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Roccett has mad spit and a sense of realism. He can make a better song than Crooked I, but Crook would kill him in a battle.
Something people ain't mention - Crook drops knowledge consistently on tracks. He doesn't go in the booth looking to make a hit. You can tell he's very socially conscious and has tracks with a real message, he just needs to drop that thug image - it doesn't fit his style and it's unnecessary.
The thug image is neccesary if u want the ghetto to listen to the knowledge your droppin. He could just do like cube and pac and keep it gangsta and sociall conscious at the same time.
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I often go to sleep and dream of waking up in a world where Crooked I drop albums.
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I often go to sleep and dream of waking up in a world where Crooked I drop albums.
+1 , amen to that
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Dude is good on the mic bt he should reach out to world class producers. These no name cats make his music sound local @ best. I would also appreciate it if dude broadened his messages ths gun talk is jus too much.
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crooked i represents real, lyrical rap , reminds me of the great lyricists. these days, when everybody has the same slow flow and old artists imitate youngsters and not the other way like it was before itīs good to see someone like crooked doing his thing with his own style. no one even tries to be original so thatīs one thing that makes crooked i relevant to rap , it used to be a about friendly competition, battling to improve to art.
now that the pioneers did all the work the new comers donīt have to do shit but say the same punchlines all over again , sell ringtones and the kids learn that the best thing in life you can achieve in life is a fucking diamond chain and a whip with big wheels. crooked i tries to keep the original art alive
that being said, i rarely listen to dude. i find most of his shit a bit boring, especially the new stuff. i like crooked in small doses but it would be awesome to witness the man perform live. i donīt have to like everything this man does to recognise his skills
my point is, this kind of guy is needed in hip hop even if his style doesnīt please everyone
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I know people really like to take this shit to heart (ex: hack wilson, dont get mad, your who came to mind) when you aren't praising Crookeds music the way alot of people around here do, but on some real shit i dont really see anything special about him. He has a terrible flow, trying to fit as many words into one bar as possible and sometimes they dont rhyme or dont make sense, he has some bullshit punchlines and metaphors that aren't unnecessary (ex: if eatin niggas made you obese, i'd be the blob). I can bump a few of his tracks, nwa, this is how we do this, g'd up and banged out, im so crooked. But after listening to his last e.p's, he does not impress me. I think the reason for this is that he does not take time to write his verses, resorts to doing this shit off the top of his head and it just ends up sounding bad. I want to know what it is yall like so much about him. Challenge my opinion if you wish but do back it up, audio is appreciated.
ps: nigga took some time to write this, if you read it its appreciated. sensible responses are welcomed, shit even bullshit responses
Says the one who does everything for BWS Juice, hahahahhahaha
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Skills 8) 8)
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no way roccett comes close to crooked's level...no way
roccett got his own style and he can spit every now n then but no where near crooked's level on the mic as many arent
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just listen to "fear" and you'll know why
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"if eatin niggas made you obese, i'd be the blob"
You think this is bullshit? He's just saying he's killed a lot of cats on the mic.
Crooked-I is dope but he has yet to impress on an artist level. Like, his solo song material is lacking consistency compared to his freestyles. I doubt his ability to construct a solid album. There's no doubt he outshines most when put on a track with him but that's only so good. If he can't take it to the next level than he isn't as great as many want him to be.
But Juice from BWS is straight ass. Not sure how you can like him though not Crooked. Juice has had like 3 good songs.
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the slaughterhouse wasnt great and put together well alot to do wit the production IMO but crooked prolly outshined everyone
i mean its over 10 years later and he can still spit
theres prolly only 12 rappers or less that might...MIGHT come close to bein better than him
DEAD OR ALIVE
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crooked stans are like a cult, nothing they say is without extreme bias and stupidity, just check the posters above me
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crooked stans are like a cult, nothing they say is without extreme bias and stupidity, just check the posters above me
you wanna talk stupidity?
you < a retarded deaf and mute 5 year old
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I know people really like to take this shit to heart (ex: hack wilson, dont get mad, your who came to mind) when you aren't praising Crookeds music the way alot of people around here do, but on some real shit i dont really see anything special about him. He has a terrible flow, trying to fit as many words into one bar as possible and sometimes they dont rhyme or dont make sense, he has some bullshit punchlines and metaphors that aren't unnecessary (ex: if eatin niggas made you obese, i'd be the blob). I can bump a few of his tracks, nwa, this is how we do this, g'd up and banged out, im so crooked. But after listening to his last e.p's, he does not impress me. I think the reason for this is that he does not take time to write his verses, resorts to doing this shit off the top of his head and it just ends up sounding bad. I want to know what it is yall like so much about him. Challenge my opinion if you wish but do back it up, audio is appreciated.
ps: nigga took some time to write this, if you read it its appreciated. sensible responses are welcomed, shit even bullshit responses
crooked i > all of BWS x 100000
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Crookeds a beast on the mic but I think Clinton Wayne Is as good if not better I don't think crooked got the versatility clinton
waynes got
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crooked i is dope but very overrated on this board. making a great album is part of being a great artist, and i frankly don't see much versatility from dude....i can take the karma hit, don't really care, just an opinion....as far as the whole versatility thing, i may be wrong on this seeing how i havent heard EVERY single song of his, so someone give more than one example of him spitting something with sum depth, something other than braggadocios gangsta metaphors and punchlines...
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LMAO at this mentally disturbed fool comparin Roccet wit Crook..
"if eatin niggas made you obese, i'd be the blob"
You think this is bullshit? He's just saying he's killed a lot of cats on the mic.
Crooked-I is dope but he has yet to impress on an artist level. Like, his solo song material is lacking consistency compared to his freestyles. I doubt his ability to construct a solid album. There's no doubt he outshines most when put on a track with him but that's only so good. If he can't take it to the next level than he isn't as great as many want him to be.
But Juice from BWS is straight ass. Not sure how you can like him though not Crooked. Juice has had like 3 good songs.
that's real talk! i've said it b4, n im sayin it again - just because ur a dope rapper, dont make u a good artist! Rap is just spittin, somethin u do - if u can do dat, dat doesn't guarantee u any platinum plaques. LOL, if dat was the case, why G Rap, Chino XL & Canibus always went wood? U still have to learn the most important part of the creative-process of Hip Hop - creatin the music! Ur the dopest nigga of all time, spittin vicious toxic-bars, killin everybody in battles, sure dat's cool - but dat DON't mean shit!! n for dat reason alone, Crooked would probly never get as MTV/Major as he was on that Ashanti-remix.. dude can spit, but dat's it really.
there's only been a handful artists who managed to melt the true HipHop-element together wit big sales - Jay-Z, Biggie Smalls, Eminem - all 3 are really respected lyricists, dat also attracts the whte audience wit GOOD MUSIC.
u ain't never heard a Kool G Rap, Chino XL, Crooked I track, dat sounds "Hit" by "Hit"-standards, n to be honest wit ya, u never will.. most likely.
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he needs to pick some better beats. words are amazing but beats are weak as fuck.
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where did all this juice bws shit come from? I just asked a question. WHY do you niggas call him the greatest, he has a bullshit flow and some bullshit ass lines. I dont recall myself saying I was a juice or a bws fan. Some of y'all niggas need to fix your tampon, seems like you got the shit in backwards. and as for bws actually since you mentioned it, Clyde Carson > Crooked, Game > Crooked.
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Crooked I is definately one of the greatest. His only flaw, IMO is that he uses alot, if not too many metaphors
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crooked stans are like a cult, nothing they say is without extreme bias and stupidity, just check the posters above me
You are the biggest Crooked I fan I have ever seen. Posters above you dont follow Crooked as much as you do man and sure dont have Crooked in their mouth as often as you do.
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LMAO at this mentally disturbed fool comparin Roccet wit Crook..
"if eatin niggas made you obese, i'd be the blob"
You think this is bullshit? He's just saying he's killed a lot of cats on the mic.
Crooked-I is dope but he has yet to impress on an artist level. Like, his solo song material is lacking consistency compared to his freestyles. I doubt his ability to construct a solid album. There's no doubt he outshines most when put on a track with him but that's only so good. If he can't take it to the next level than he isn't as great as many want him to be.
But Juice from BWS is straight ass. Not sure how you can like him though not Crooked. Juice has had like 3 good songs.
that's real talk! i've said it b4, n im sayin it again - just because ur a dope rapper, dont make u a good artist! Rap is just spittin, somethin u do - if u can do dat, dat doesn't guarantee u any platinum plaques. LOL, if dat was the case, why G Rap, Chino XL & Canibus always went wood? U still have to learn the most important part of the creative-process of Hip Hop - creatin the music! Ur the dopest nigga of all time, spittin vicious toxic-bars, killin everybody in battles, sure dat's cool - but dat DON't mean shit!! n for dat reason alone, Crooked would probly never get as MTV/Major as he was on that Ashanti-remix.. dude can spit, but dat's it really.
there's only been a handful artists who managed to melt the true HipHop-element together wit big sales - Jay-Z, Biggie Smalls, Eminem - all 3 are really respected lyricists, dat also attracts the whte audience wit GOOD MUSIC.
u ain't never heard a Kool G Rap, Chino XL, Crooked I track, dat sounds "Hit" by "Hit"-standards, n to be honest wit ya, u never will.. most likely.
I wouldn't go far as you have with under appreciating what Crooked does nor would I criticise Canibus of an inability to make a dope album full of songs - From Whom The Beat Tolls is in fact rather dope. It really doesn't matter if you're a commercial success or if you manage to capture the "hit" sound of today. Reks will most likely never be commercial but he makes material that can be rated up with the greats.
Crooked has yet to impress me as a solo artist. There's been a few tracks I really enjoy - My Life 2.0, W's Down (probably his best track). It's just he needs to take his freestyles and turn them into songs. For example, Fear freestyle has great lines. He needs to construct various lines into a song, add a dope chorus, and find a dope beat. Than blam he has a song about hip-hop with dope lines that shit on most artists material. He just needs to focus that into song creation.
In my mind if you mixed 50 and Crooked you'd have a legend. Earlier 50 was essentially this.
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crooked i is a dope rapper, end of. he rhymes right on beat and is super lyrical with it. really can't say the same for many rappers putting out music these days.
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LMAO at this mentally disturbed fool comparin Roccet wit Crook..
"if eatin niggas made you obese, i'd be the blob"
You think this is bullshit? He's just saying he's killed a lot of cats on the mic.
Crooked-I is dope but he has yet to impress on an artist level. Like, his solo song material is lacking consistency compared to his freestyles. I doubt his ability to construct a solid album. There's no doubt he outshines most when put on a track with him but that's only so good. If he can't take it to the next level than he isn't as great as many want him to be.
But Juice from BWS is straight ass. Not sure how you can like him though not Crooked. Juice has had like 3 good songs.
that's real talk! i've said it b4, n im sayin it again - just because ur a dope rapper, dont make u a good artist! Rap is just spittin, somethin u do - if u can do dat, dat doesn't guarantee u any platinum plaques. LOL, if dat was the case, why G Rap, Chino XL & Canibus always went wood? U still have to learn the most important part of the creative-process of Hip Hop - creatin the music! Ur the dopest nigga of all time, spittin vicious toxic-bars, killin everybody in battles, sure dat's cool - but dat DON't mean shit!! n for dat reason alone, Crooked would probly never get as MTV/Major as he was on that Ashanti-remix.. dude can spit, but dat's it really.
there's only been a handful artists who managed to melt the true HipHop-element together wit big sales - Jay-Z, Biggie Smalls, Eminem - all 3 are really respected lyricists, dat also attracts the whte audience wit GOOD MUSIC.
u ain't never heard a Kool G Rap, Chino XL, Crooked I track, dat sounds "Hit" by "Hit"-standards, n to be honest wit ya, u never will.. most likely.
Finally two people with some common sense. Crooked I is a great rapper but a terrible artists. No retail solo album in 10 years speaks for itself.
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Just for the record, im not saying crooked i is a terrible rapper, not saying he is wack either. what im saying is some of you people make this guy out to be something he is not and he's putting out some music thats not really the way its supposed to be, if he would just sit the fuck down, pick up a pen and make a SONG he would probobly be somewhere, he treats a fucking SONG like a god damn cypher. Maybe if some of you dudes weren't always saying "crookeds the greatest alive" he would realize, hmmmm, maybe the shit Im doing isn't right and we would be getting some good music from him. Music takes time, you cant go through a career doing shit off the top of your head, it shows in the quality
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LMAO at this mentally disturbed fool comparin Roccet wit Crook..
"if eatin niggas made you obese, i'd be the blob"
You think this is bullshit? He's just saying he's killed a lot of cats on the mic.
Crooked-I is dope but he has yet to impress on an artist level. Like, his solo song material is lacking consistency compared to his freestyles. I doubt his ability to construct a solid album. There's no doubt he outshines most when put on a track with him but that's only so good. If he can't take it to the next level than he isn't as great as many want him to be.
But Juice from BWS is straight ass. Not sure how you can like him though not Crooked. Juice has had like 3 good songs.
that's real talk! i've said it b4, n im sayin it again - just because ur a dope rapper, dont make u a good artist! Rap is just spittin, somethin u do - if u can do dat, dat doesn't guarantee u any platinum plaques. LOL, if dat was the case, why G Rap, Chino XL & Canibus always went wood? U still have to learn the most important part of the creative-process of Hip Hop - creatin the music! Ur the dopest nigga of all time, spittin vicious toxic-bars, killin everybody in battles, sure dat's cool - but dat DON't mean shit!! n for dat reason alone, Crooked would probly never get as MTV/Major as he was on that Ashanti-remix.. dude can spit, but dat's it really.
there's only been a handful artists who managed to melt the true HipHop-element together wit big sales - Jay-Z, Biggie Smalls, Eminem - all 3 are really respected lyricists, dat also attracts the whte audience wit GOOD MUSIC.
u ain't never heard a Kool G Rap, Chino XL, Crooked I track, dat sounds "Hit" by "Hit"-standards, n to be honest wit ya, u never will.. most likely.
I wouldn't go far as you have with under appreciating what Crooked does nor would I criticise Canibus of an inability to make a dope album full of songs - From Whom The Beat Tolls is in fact rather dope. It really doesn't matter if you're a commercial success or if you manage to capture the "hit" sound of today. Reks will most likely never be commercial but he makes material that can be rated up with the greats.
Crooked has yet to impress me as a solo artist. There's been a few tracks I really enjoy - My Life 2.0, W's Down (probably his best track). It's just he needs to take his freestyles and turn them into songs. For example, Fear freestyle has great lines. He needs to construct various lines into a song, add a dope chorus, and find a dope beat. Than blam he has a song about hip-hop with dope lines that shit on most artists material. He just needs to focus that into song creation.
In my mind if you mixed 50 and Crooked you'd have a legend. Earlier 50 was essentially this.
Canibus is one of my favorite artists - the "Rip the Jacker"-album is a personal favorite.
i would never under apreciate Crooked. Crooked is a tight rapper - but the fact remains, the nigga cant create "music", n for dat reason alone he cant make it wit any big sales..
n when I say "music", i mean "music" acceptable for the audience he's aiming for.. im not attackin any of the "music" he creates, i enjoy alot of it n so does many more.. Slaughterhouse, dats a good look for him, as far as the "respect"-thing goes within the hiphop-community, but u wont see any of those niggaz on a level-scale as of a Drake or a Lil Wayne
n i dont want to hear any examples of one or two "hits" Crooked did. bottomline - the sound identified wit the artist Crooked I, is "street-music", not "mainstream" - it dont matter if the nigga managed to create "acceptable" music once or twice
like i said b4, it's xtremely hard for a hiphop-artist to melt those two types of hiphop-elemnets together sucessfuly - bein a lyrical beast dat can make it on a mainstream-level
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where did all this juice bws shit come from? I just asked a question. WHY do you niggas call him the greatest, he has a bullshit flow and some bullshit ass lines. I dont recall myself saying I was a juice or a bws fan. Some of y'all niggas need to fix your tampon, seems like you got the shit in backwards. and as for bws actually since you mentioned it, Clyde Carson > Crooked, Game > Crooked.
Bullshit flow and bullshit lines... That's opinion.
It's all preference.
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haha didnt know the game groupies are back....of course under new names...lol
and lol at crooked stans comin from snoops biggest ______ryder
how come we crooked stans but your a regular snoop fan?
lol at clyce or game bein better than game
crooked on his death bed screamin for help but rappin to a verse>>>>>>game, snoop, clyce, juice, and 94% of the rappers left in the game
talk about bein biased...damn groupisim at its finest
why is crooked not dope or people ask whats so great about crooked.....whats so great bout jay, wayne etc...
crooked will CRUSH THEM AND THEIR FAKE GANG BANGIN TIES
I know people really like to take this shit to heart (ex: hack wilson, dont get mad, your who came to mind) when you aren't praising Crookeds music the way alot of people around here do, but on some real shit i dont really see anything special about him. He has a terrible flow, trying to fit as many words into one bar as possible and sometimes they dont rhyme or dont make sense, he has some bullshit punchlines and metaphors that aren't unnecessary (ex: if eatin niggas made you obese, i'd be the blob). I can bump a few of his tracks, nwa, this is how we do this, g'd up and banged out, im so crooked. But after listening to his last e.p's, he does not impress me. I think the reason for this is that he does not take time to write his verses, resorts to doing this shit off the top of his head and it just ends up sounding bad. I want to know what it is yall like so much about him. Challenge my opinion if you wish but do back it up, audio is appreciated.
ps: nigga took some time to write this, if you read it its appreciated. sensible responses are welcomed, shit even bullshit responses
crooked i > all of BWS x 100000
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The problem wit westcoast fans is tht they stuck on old artists who don't put out pure fire like they used to. Evn the new cats y'all choose 2 embrace aren't tht good. Imagine hw many of u cats ignored Ras Kass's quartely mixtape? Tht ish is pure fire bt u hav guts to compare no name wannabes to Crook n Ras! IMo therz no one tht comes close to these guys on the west whn it comes to consistency n spittin hard hittin shit everytime. Nipsy, Glasses,Game aint gott nuthin on Crook
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nuthin crooked was ahead of his time/prime back when he first stepped on the scene and hes gotten better as the years passed by
theres 12 rappers or less that are or might be better than crooked thats it
game, glasses, wayne, snoop, tpain, none of these wack rappers are anywhere that list of 12 rappers
but we talkin to groupies otherwise talent and like you said pure fire cannot be passed on which is what they doin and they tryna say game is better than crooked?
game, mr white soft porn, mr i love dre this week but hate dre next week? lol
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crooked stans are like a cult, nothing they say is without extreme bias and stupidity, just check the posters above me
You are truely the king of ironic posts.You gave malice in wonderland an 8.5 out of 10.You said sexual eruption was the auto tune song of the year.When a new terrible snoop song comes out,and eveyone agrees that its trash,you come in the thread and call it hot.
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All i gotta say is...if crooked i was from pretty much anywhere else he would definitely be on top of the game right up there with snoop, jay z, lil wayne and whoever else thats on top now.
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see thats whats wrong wit the industry and its wackness
why does it matter where your from to be a bigger rapper or more well known
hes from the westcoast...where the other regions took the muzik that we made big and other regions ran with it and tried to make it theirs...didnt work
and thats one thing bout crooked he reps the west as if he were to die tomorrow...he might not have an album out but hes never sold out like 98% of the rest
All i gotta say is...if crooked i was from pretty much anywhere else he would definitely be on top of the game right up there with snoop, jay z, lil wayne and whoever else thats on top now.
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crooked stans are like a cult, nothing they say is without extreme bias and stupidity, just check the posters above me
Yes, because you obviously have a right to speak on who's a stan. lol You could literally put your name and snoop in that sentance and make it about you. The sad part is is would be true, hell lets see if just for fun.
Long Beach Iz Active is snoops bitch a, nothing he can say is without extreme bias and stupidity, just check his post history. He's so stupid, the retard gave him a cookie.
Anyways on topic. His Death Row stuff is what people like the mostly. I mean He can spit and if he could put together a Solo album he would be able to make a solid one.If he got some of the Slaughter House producers, He'd have good tracks to spit over. I mean he can spit together then most average cats, so I don't see why people think he can't make a good album. Not talking about something on a Classic Level, cause he'd have to really put in a lot of work in order to make that happen. If he made 1 it probably only be like a 7/10 album rating on average.
I mean his topics are sorta limited, to gangsta shit. If he could just spread out his subject matter he'd be a more well rounded rapper instead of just gangsta shit all the time. Listen to the song "Livin N tha hood" apparently he can make a some what deep track but U can still see some of that gangsta shit in it. Anyways yeah, Least the nigga hasn't sold out yet.
Niggaz sellout just to stay in the game. If being in the game means you have to push bullshit, then I'd rather have Crooked I never put out a album. The nigga has a ton of mixtapes, singles, and dope music out for free. I'd take that shit over some commercialized bullshit.
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I think crooked gained a lot of fans with young boss vol 2 and the hip hop weeklys.
I think hes more well rounded then people give him credit for.Livin n tha hood,my life 1 and 2,if you ever hear me,gangstas holiday,auphelia payne,that song with immortal technique and chino xl,rain drops with sh,that song where he rapped as a white supremicist, etc.
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hes from the coast where gangsta shit is the norm and other rappers do the same shit...why wouldnt he rap wit the gangsta style? lol
sides hes got a gang of meaningful and DEEP songs
snoops deep song put you to sleep...lol
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crooked stans are like a cult, nothing they say is without extreme bias and stupidity, just check the posters above me
Why can't people just have a discussion without being stans or dickriders?
read the posts and there are honest opinions on Crooked I being made.
u seem obsessed with logging on to dubcc and searching for Crooked I threads to post bullshit.
accept that some people actually think he is talented, clearly you don't, fine ... move on.
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i never really got into crooked i either.
i see heīs a good MC,etc. but some ppl really go crazy over his shit.
if heīs that great (am not saying heīs a bad rapper or smthng) why is that no record label wanted him and never dropped an album?
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Some comments in this thread make me laugh especially the "He ain't makin' music" one ????????
Everyone has there own opinion on if u like someone but to say he ain't making music or you don't respect him coz he ain't made an album yet is just plain stupidity.
Regardless if its Crooked or some other rapper, i respect anyone who made money and not released anything...
only interested in making platinum plaques...
not respecting street money i have to laugh at that..
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cuz hes not a commercialized rapper...he dont make teenager muzik
he dont make muzik for the rich white people....he makes the rich people come to his shows and makes them buy his muzik
you think crooked doesnt want to release an album? hes one of the best rappers ever
jus cuz hes great.....doesnt gurantee him a record deal...especially with these industry punks
i never really got into crooked i either.
i see heīs a good MC,etc. but some ppl really go crazy over his shit.
if heīs that great (am not saying heīs a bad rapper or smthng) why is that no record label wanted him and never dropped an album?
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crooked stans are like a cult, nothing they say is without extreme bias and stupidity, just check the posters above me
Why can't people just have a discussion without being stans or dickriders?
read the posts and there are honest opinions on Crooked I being made.
u seem obsessed with logging on to dubcc and searching for Crooked I threads to post bullshit.
accept that some people actually think he is talented, clearly you don't, fine ... move on.
U can't Reason with the fag. He's 1 of the few who tried to to audition for Doggys Angels. Only reason he hates Crooked I is because he is from Long Beach, Is twice as Lyrical as Snoop, and still has a buzz despite not releasing a album while Snoop Sold out on every aspect of his Carrier. Only Respect Snoop Can legitly get is him giving back to his Area via all the programs he does. That's only reason I won't say Shit about Snoop outside of his Musical Decisions, Cause At least he is doing it proper. You look at these so called "more real" motherfuckers in the game. They don't do shit. I'm talking about people who made huge numbers yet not a single thing gets done in return, not even 4 fans. So Like every other person. Fuck Em.
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I wasn't a huge Crooked I fan.. but at some point I realised he's probably the most talented MC from West Coast ever, if we only talk about skills on the mic. D.O.C. might've been the one but that car accident kinda ruined his career. Ice Cube is the best political MC ever. & 2Pac is the best artist ever.
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everything is so great about the dude his flow is untouchable hes said some of the most ridiculous lines ive ever heard. hes not like a one dimensional rapper he got so many styles. and hes real hip hop to the core not like these faggot gucci mane shits who just rap about how they dress and shit all the time.
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damn im listenin to his songs today again and theres no way possible hes overrated or wack
hes great and thats an understatment
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he ain't got the discography
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does he need to have had released a album to be the greatest rapper alive thats spittin...mo
his songs are 10 times better than anythin wayne can, has, or will ever do
and alot of those were songs given away for free
then people will reply with waynes given away hundreds of mixtapes......he can give away millions of mixtapes to his martians but hes a wack rapper
and then people say we tired of crooked doin the gangsta shit....hes from the westcoast
he does gangsta shit but includes story tellin, and much more
he doesnt use multimillion dollar producers or spend a gang on beats
thats the diference with crooked vs others
he saves the beat wack or not...if the beat is wack he will likely most of the time sound better than the beat
the beat has to save wayne, ross, akon, snoop, etc...cuz they arent dope rappers
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heard some of his freestyles few times and he can spit some real dope stuff.
but I did not see anything mind blowing like others make him out to be.
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ask the dickriders, hes god :-X what kind of question is that
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heard some of his freestyles few times and he can spit some real dope stuff.
but I did not see anything mind blowing like others make him out to be.
exactly what im sayin homie, good lookin, crooked is no rakim, kool g, krs, big daddy kane, etc. i can name alot of rappers better than crooked
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''Fuck a whole song, I give a fuck if it's a feature
lyrics lifting your spirit as high as cannabis sativa''
Snoop Dogg coudn't spit this shit even if he tried.
He's still a MC, fuck dumbing down.
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I agree with the posts about him being a great MC but a wack artist.
SMH at people crying over Say Hi To The Bad Guy to be leaked, those songs he did on deathrow were hot garbage.
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Dope MC, not really a legend like the guys who built MCing (Kool G Rap, Rakim, Big Daddy Kane, KRS, etc), but an awesome lyricist, like Canibus, Chino, Pharoahe Monch, etc
I don't think he's a wack artist either... it's just that to appeal to a LOT of people you need to dumb your shit down and have a "cool" well-marketed image and some really catchy choruses.
Your regular kids on the street won't get complex flows and lyrics and metaphors, and they don't want a song that is like one long verse... it doesn't mean that artist is "wack", it just means that most people aren't knowledgeable enough to "get" the lyrics.
Kool G Rap never had a platinum album, but his joints are classics and he's one of the greatest of all time, always mentioned.
MC Hammer went like 10x platinum because he knew how to make a catchy chorus, but he's not on any "best MC" lists and his joints aren't classics.
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does he need to have had released a album to be the greatest rapper alive thats spittin...mo
his songs are 10 times better than anythin wayne can, has, or will ever do
and alot of those were songs given away for free
then people will reply with waynes given away hundreds of mixtapes......he can give away millions of mixtapes to his martians but hes a wack rapper
and then people say we tired of crooked doin the gangsta shit....hes from the westcoast
he does gangsta shit but includes story tellin, and much more
he doesnt use multimillion dollar producers or spend a gang on beats
thats the diference with crooked vs others
he saves the beat wack or not...if the beat is wack he will likely most of the time sound better than the beat
the beat has to save wayne, ross, akon, snoop, etc...cuz they arent dope rappers
No they're not. Wayne clearly has something crooked doesn't. if what wayne is doing is so easy why hasn't crooked done it? everyone stay hating on those that blow big but if it were that easy to make it then everybody wouldn't.
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Dope MC, not really a legend like the guys who built MCing (Kool G Rap, Rakim, Big Daddy Kane, KRS, etc), but an awesome lyricist, like Canibus, Chino, Pharoahe Monch, etc
I don't think he's a wack artist either... it's just that to appeal to a LOT of people you need to dumb your shit down and have a "cool" well-marketed image and some really catchy choruses.
Your regular kids on the street won't get complex flows and lyrics and metaphors, and they don't want a song that is like one long verse... it doesn't mean that artist is "wack", it just means that most people aren't knowledgeable enough to "get" the lyrics.
Kool G Rap never had a platinum album, but his joints are classics and he's one of the greatest of all time, always mentioned.
MC Hammer went like 10x platinum because he knew how to make a catchy chorus, but he's not on any "best MC" lists and his joints aren't classics.
NOBODY's sayin his music is "wack" as in literarly - we all like it. it's just dat Crooked clearly dont like the "backpack"-environment he's currently in - Crooked is a mc, but he wants want everybody else - to boss up, his own empire, fame etc etc
n if he wants dat - he have to simply "just dumb down" his content, basicaly. and create "music". LOL
or he could try to make it without losin anythin from his persona - both Eminem and Jigga did it.. but dat's almost impossible for a rapper. Either ur a dope "rapper", or a dope "artist".. get it?
n for the record, MC Hammer's "Can't Touch This" is the biggest Hip Hop-record of all time... Case closed
also, the reason why Crooked don't have dat "great"-title yet - is because there's lotta credentials dat an mc needs to add to his belt in order to get dat title - Crooked is tight as a muddafucca, BUT - ther's no music, no album, no nothin.. 10+ years in the game, and nothin.. u cant be the GOAT, without no albums, no classics, no reviews, no legacy - if dat's the case, we might as well add my rapping neighbour to the "Best Of the Best"-list LOL
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''Fuck a whole song, I give a fuck if it's a feature
lyrics lifting your spirit as high as cannabis sativa''
Meh.
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if crooked were to do tpain akon shit then hed be on tv but hes never sold out
he dont get down like that...since wayne sold out hes a better rapper cuz he done what crooked didnt?
does he need to have had released a album to be the greatest rapper alive thats spittin...mo
his songs are 10 times better than anythin wayne can, has, or will ever do
and alot of those were songs given away for free
then people will reply with waynes given away hundreds of mixtapes......he can give away millions of mixtapes to his martians but hes a wack rapper
and then people say we tired of crooked doin the gangsta shit....hes from the westcoast
he does gangsta shit but includes story tellin, and much more
he doesnt use multimillion dollar producers or spend a gang on beats
thats the diference with crooked vs others
he saves the beat wack or not...if the beat is wack he will likely most of the time sound better than the beat
the beat has to save wayne, ross, akon, snoop, etc...cuz they arent dope rappers
No they're not. Wayne clearly has something crooked doesn't. if what wayne is doing is so easy why hasn't crooked done it? everyone stay hating on those that blow big but if it were that easy to make it then everybody wouldn't.
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if crooked were to do tpain akon shit then hed be on tv
I doubt it, and Im a big Crook fan, but he isnt marketable like that. First off, hes gettin old, which is never good for mainstream audiences (read: little girls), he was voted ugliest member of slaughterhouse, mainstream audiences like pretty boys. I think he couldve been a mainstream artist when he was on Tha Row, but its a little too late now...
That, however, doesnt take anything away from the fact hes one of the dopest, if not, THE dopest rapper out west. You can like or dislike his songs, but you cant deny his talent for flow and wordplay, not a lot of westcoast rappers have that same talent, even all the new guys, jay rock, nipsey, its all about 'Im so tough I shoot you, all the while hollering soowoop', the shit kinda rhymes, but it doesnt have the wordplay Crook uses.
And last but not least, fuck the mainstream anyway, that aint good music. Thats pop music, I dont wanna hear that shit. Again Im a big fan of Crook, and I wish him all the success, but when he starts making them poppy autotune songs(or whatever is the hype that moment), Ill never buy another mixtape/ep/album again.
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each is own but IMO he would get more support
but other points you mentioned is real talk
but he hasnt sold out....yet and he hasnt released a album to judge him off of
if crooked were to do tpain akon shit then hed be on tv
I doubt it, and Im a big Crook fan, but he isnt marketable like that. First off, hes gettin old, which is never good for mainstream audiences (read: little girls), he was voted ugliest member of slaughterhouse, mainstream audiences like pretty boys. I think he couldve been a mainstream artist when he was on Tha Row, but its a little too late now...
That, however, doesnt take anything away from the fact hes one of the dopest, if not, THE dopest rapper out west. You can like or dislike his songs, but you cant deny his talent for flow and wordplay, not a lot of westcoast rappers have that same talent, even all the new guys, jay rock, nipsey, its all about 'Im so tough I shoot you, all the while hollering soowoop', the shit kinda rhymes, but it doesnt have the wordplay Crook uses.
And last but not least, fuck the mainstream anyway, that aint good music. Thats pop music, I dont wanna hear that shit. Again Im a big fan of Crook, and I wish him all the success, but when he starts making them poppy autotune songs(or whatever is the hype that moment), Ill never buy another mixtape/ep/album again.
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i'd like to know whos voting on the attractiveness of the slaughterhouse members !!
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lol
i'd like to know whos voting on the attractiveness of the slaughterhouse members !!
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If Crooked is so nice why hasn't he put out a album in over 20 years in the game?
because he is a directionless crumb
that's the harsh reality crooked stans
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LOL @ people worrying about whether or not Crooked is marketable to little girls. You really think that's Crooked's target audience, come on now.
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LOL @ people worrying about whether or not Crooked is marketable to little girls. You really think that's Crooked's target audience, come on now.
you think everyone who has put out retail albums market there album to little girls? LMAO @ these idiots
so this is what you stans tell yourself to help you sleep at night
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and every album snoop put out was instant classic?
nah it wasnt, it was instant shit
crookeds front lawn>>>>>>your entire muzik catologue snoop
keep hatin on crooked you illiterate directionless good for nuthin autotune wanna be boss pimpified king with no crown
stay outta the westcoast wit that sexual eruption shit
come back to cali when your makin westcoast muzik...til then get at ya boy shawty redd if hes available for beats
If Crooked is so nice why hasn't he put out a album in over 20 years in the game?
because he is a directionless crumb
that's the harsh reality crooked stans
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On the other hand, someone who has never put out an album, or had any major release, or TV slots in his 15 year rap career, sure does get a talk, discussions, audience, and anticipation surrounding him
Crooked I on Tha Row could have been huge had Tha Row not been blackballed. He was more colorful and marketable IMO
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cuz hes one of the best to ever touch a mic and has pretty much wrecked the mic almost every single time hes touched the mics
and snoop dont have that thats why he pays people to come onto sites to defend his muzik....defend his tpain type muzik
how you gon go from aint nuthin but a g thang to sexual eruption?
hes in love...all of a sudden hes in love and he wasnt in love back then? lol
snoop doesnt even crack the top 25 best rappers to spit of all time'
crooked might be in the top 15...of course snoop the KING is gon be mad
al snoop can do is hate but
crooked not havin an album but havin the skillz he has>>>>>snoops catologue
On the other hand, someone who has never put out an album, or had any major release, or TV slots in his 15 year rap career, sure does get a talk, discussions, audience, and anticipation surrounding him
Crooked I on Tha Row could have been huge had Tha Row not been blackballed. He was more colorful and marketable IMO
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and every album snoop put out was instant classic?
nah it wasnt, it was instant shit
crookeds front lawn>>>>>>your entire muzik catologue snoop
keep hatin on crooked you illiterate directionless good for nuthin autotune wanna be boss pimpified king with no crown
stay outta the westcoast wit that sexual eruption shit
come back to cali when your makin westcoast muzik...til then get at ya boy shawty redd if hes available for beats
If Crooked is so nice why hasn't he put out a album in over 20 years in the game?
because he is a directionless crumb
that's the harsh reality crooked stans
let is all out hoe, just cry it out
Snoop got tracks on Detox while Crooked making false Detox tracks impersonating the good doctor as a way of begging to find a way to be on the album
who really lost?
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i shouldnt be answerin your good for nuthin snoopy stan crooked hatin.......
anyways ima answer cuz this is comedy
snoop got traxx on detox?
a album that isnt even out?
you seen the final detox product?
dre dont even have traxx on detox...what you talkin bout snoop?
take ya rag outta ya pocket....wipe ya food off and sit down and think bout tha coast ya havent repped in years
then you mad wayne out here gang bangin on your turf?
why not rep your turf a lil more and focus on your coast instead of them pussy cat dolls...guess what snoopy?their sales rose and your gangsta card got lowered
but you keep them thoughts in ya head that you bein on detox wont lose ya gangsta status, and crooked is the worst rapper alive....in ya wildest cripified dreams
eazy e, and pac will be on detox before snoopy is
and every album snoop put out was instant classic?
nah it wasnt, it was instant shit
crookeds front lawn>>>>>>your entire muzik catologue snoop
keep hatin on crooked you illiterate directionless good for nuthin autotune wanna be boss pimpified king with no crown
stay outta the westcoast wit that sexual eruption shit
come back to cali when your makin westcoast muzik...til then get at ya boy shawty redd if hes available for beats
If Crooked is so nice why hasn't he put out a album in over 20 years in the game?
because he is a directionless crumb
that's the harsh reality crooked stans
let is all out hoe, just cry it out
Snoop got tracks on Detox while Crooked making false Detox tracks impersonating the good doctor as a way of begging to find a way to be on the album
who really lost?
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hatin, in any form, whether it be on Crooked I or Snoop Dogg, is really stupid - when discussing West Coast-music (READ AGAIN "WESTCOAST-MUSIC"). "Opinions" are always welcome, since it can evolve into healthy and relevant debates -- which is basicaly the #1 reason, why the board's got all of us visitors checking in every once in awhile..
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thank u
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cRooked I and Clinton Wayne are the best overall talent on the west coast
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Ok, not sure that this thread is very constructive anymore, but here is my 2 cents...
I've been a fan since the late 90's, and Crooked does a lot of things that set him apart from other rappers:
* Style - This has changed a lot over the years, but to me, he has only gotten better. There are at least 3 distinct styles: pre-DR, DR, post-DR. Giving this much variety is rare in a rapper. Some people want a rapper to stay the same, but I think Crook has only gotten better with his experimentation. Sure, sometimes it doesn't work, but most of the time it does
* Mic Presence - Whether you love him or hate him, he's got it. Not all "successful" rappers do. Old rappers have lost it
* Word play - If you are into word play, I don't think you can find much better. Crook is incredibly creative and cracks me up with some of the insane shit he says. Examples: "muthafuckin w" "low profiles", "big dreams (hhw)"
* Flow - He can rap slow, fast or double-time, even in the same song. He can flow better than the original MC's can on some of the tracks. Examples: "clik clak" "djs and mcs", "uh oh"
* Rhyme scheme - Dude can out rhyme pretty much any MC out today. Examples: "fo shizzle freestyle", "Creased Khaki Flow", "uh oh (hhw)". Crook makes rhyming look so easy that it is almost transparent to the listener. Other rappers look like they try really hard to rhyme by comparison.
* Hip hop weekly - Pretty damn creative. It's refreshing to see rappers try something new rather than just copy off each other. The current state of hip-hop is incestuous at best with its club music and "glam rap"
* Content - He might not speak as deep as Pac, but his content is definitely inspired and fresh most of the time. He has quite a range: "one mic (hhw)", "freak", "u shoulda made a phone call" "circle game anthem"
* Huge library - For not having an album out, Crook has a huge amount of material to choose from
* Freestyle - He can do the off the dome shit really well. Example: Power 106 he did it for about 6 minutes
* Battle - I've only heard that he fucks people up in real battles. He'd hold his own on 8 mile. Frankly, the only person who I think could battle him is a young Eminem. Supernat ain't hard enough (even though I like him). On wax battles, he stays on topic rather than just merely telling the other rappers to eat a dick.
For all of those reasons above, he makes other rappers seem basic.
Yes...
.... he doesn't have an official album
.... he says C.O.B way too much
.... he talks about guns way too much
.... he needs to work on his storytelling and production. As others have said, he needs to make more "real" songs, not just raps
But...
.... he has always brought something new to the table and is one of the biggest contributors to hip-hop musically
.... he doesn't make only one type of music
.... he outshines anyone he's featured with (minor exception on sickology 101)
.... he raps about current events and shit outside of the ghetto or club
.... for as much variety and content as he does, a surprising amount doesn't sound forced or awkward
.... for people who like west coast, he reps it well and is something to be proud of
.... he has substance in his raps. he's not just trying to get rich off of a new dance or catch phrase
Crook ain't perfect, but he's got a lot more wins than losses than most rappers. Sly Boogy has a lot of potential to beat Crooked, but not enough content. Next to 2Pac, Tech N9ne and Crook tie in a distant 2nd place for me.
Ok, you guys can go back to your Snoop bashing.........
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Ok, not sure that this thread is very constructive anymore, but here is my 2 cents...
I've been a fan since the late 90's, and Crooked does a lot of things that set him apart from other rappers:
* Style - This has changed a lot over the years, but to me, he has only gotten better. There are at least 3 distinct styles: pre-DR, DR, post-DR. Giving this much variety is rare in a rapper. Some people want a rapper to stay the same, but I think Crook has only gotten better with his experimentation. Sure, sometimes it doesn't work, but most of the time it does
* Mic Presence - Whether you love him or hate him, he's got it. Not all "successful" rappers do. Old rappers have lost it
* Word play - If you are into word play, I don't think you can find much better. Crook is incredibly creative and cracks me up with some of the insane shit he says. Examples: "muthafuckin w" "low profiles", "big dreams (hhw)"
* Flow - He can rap slow, fast or double-time, even in the same song. He can flow better than the original MC's can on some of the tracks. Examples: "clik clak" "djs and mcs", "uh oh"
* Rhyme scheme - Dude can out rhyme pretty much any MC out today. Examples: "fo shizzle freestyle", "Creased Khaki Flow", "uh oh (hhw)". Crook makes rhyming look so easy that it is almost transparent to the listener. Other rappers look like they try really hard to rhyme by comparison.
* Hip hop weekly - Pretty damn creative. It's refreshing to see rappers try something new rather than just copy off each other. The current state of hip-hop is incestuous at best with its club music and "glam rap"
* Content - He might not speak as deep as Pac, but his content is definitely inspired and fresh most of the time. He has quite a range: "one mic (hhw)", "freak", "u shoulda made a phone call" "circle game anthem"
* Huge library - For not having an album out, Crook has a huge amount of material to choose from
* Freestyle - He can do the off the dome shit really well. Example: Power 106 he did it for about 6 minutes
* Battle - I've only heard that he fucks people up in real battles. He'd hold his own on 8 mile. Frankly, the only person who I think could battle him is a young Eminem. Supernat ain't hard enough (even though I like him). On wax battles, he stays on topic rather than just merely telling the other rappers to eat a dick.
For all of those reasons above, he makes other rappers seem basic.
Yes...
.... he doesn't have an official album
.... he says C.O.B way too much
.... he talks about guns way too much
.... he needs to work on his storytelling and production. As others have said, he needs to make more "real" songs, not just raps
But...
.... he has always brought something new to the table and is one of the biggest contributors to hip-hop musically
.... he doesn't make only one type of music
.... he outshines anyone he's featured with (minor exception on sickology 101)
.... he raps about current events and shit outside of the ghetto or club
.... for as much variety and content as he does, a surprising amount doesn't sound forced or awkward
.... for people who like west coast, he reps it well and is something to be proud of
.... he has substance in his raps. he's not just trying to get rich off of a new dance or catch phrase
Crook ain't perfect, but he's got a lot more wins than losses than most rappers. Sly Boogy has a lot of potential to beat Crooked, but not enough content. Next to 2Pac, Tech N9ne and Crook tie in a distant 2nd place for me.
Ok, you guys can go back to your Snoop bashing.........
Nice post
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Ok, not sure that this thread is very constructive anymore, but here is my 2 cents...
I've been a fan since the late 90's, and Crooked does a lot of things that set him apart from other rappers:
* Style - This has changed a lot over the years, but to me, he has only gotten better. There are at least 3 distinct styles: pre-DR, DR, post-DR. Giving this much variety is rare in a rapper. Some people want a rapper to stay the same, but I think Crook has only gotten better with his experimentation. Sure, sometimes it doesn't work, but most of the time it does
* Mic Presence - Whether you love him or hate him, he's got it. Not all "successful" rappers do. Old rappers have lost it
* Word play - If you are into word play, I don't think you can find much better. Crook is incredibly creative and cracks me up with some of the insane shit he says. Examples: "muthafuckin w" "low profiles", "big dreams (hhw)"
* Flow - He can rap slow, fast or double-time, even in the same song. He can flow better than the original MC's can on some of the tracks. Examples: "clik clak" "djs and mcs", "uh oh"
* Rhyme scheme - Dude can out rhyme pretty much any MC out today. Examples: "fo shizzle freestyle", "Creased Khaki Flow", "uh oh (hhw)". Crook makes rhyming look so easy that it is almost transparent to the listener. Other rappers look like they try really hard to rhyme by comparison.
* Hip hop weekly - Pretty damn creative. It's refreshing to see rappers try something new rather than just copy off each other. The current state of hip-hop is incestuous at best with its club music and "glam rap"
* Content - He might not speak as deep as Pac, but his content is definitely inspired and fresh most of the time. He has quite a range: "one mic (hhw)", "freak", "u shoulda made a phone call" "circle game anthem"
* Huge library - For not having an album out, Crook has a huge amount of material to choose from
* Freestyle - He can do the off the dome shit really well. Example: Power 106 he did it for about 6 minutes
* Battle - I've only heard that he fucks people up in real battles. He'd hold his own on 8 mile. Frankly, the only person who I think could battle him is a young Eminem. Supernat ain't hard enough (even though I like him). On wax battles, he stays on topic rather than just merely telling the other rappers to eat a dick.
For all of those reasons above, he makes other rappers seem basic.
Yes...
.... he doesn't have an official album
.... he says C.O.B way too much
.... he talks about guns way too much
.... he needs to work on his storytelling and production. As others have said, he needs to make more "real" songs, not just raps
But...
.... he has always brought something new to the table and is one of the biggest contributors to hip-hop musically
.... he doesn't make only one type of music
.... he outshines anyone he's featured with (minor exception on sickology 101)
.... he raps about current events and shit outside of the ghetto or club
.... for as much variety and content as he does, a surprising amount doesn't sound forced or awkward
.... for people who like west coast, he reps it well and is something to be proud of
.... he has substance in his raps. he's not just trying to get rich off of a new dance or catch phrase
Crook ain't perfect, but he's got a lot more wins than losses than most rappers. Sly Boogy has a lot of potential to beat Crooked, but not enough content. Next to 2Pac, Tech N9ne and Crook tie in a distant 2nd place for me.
Ok, you guys can go back to your Snoop bashing.........
appreciate the effort + 1,
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Nice post. I agree. I wonder what Snoops bum boy will have to say about this ::)
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crooked aint don this and aint don that...lol
but nah if crooked doesnt involve the westcoast lifestyle then he will drift off and do tpain shit...why not talk about what hes been around for years? lol
Nice post. I agree. I wonder what Snoops bum boy will have to say about this ::)
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LOL @ people worrying about whether or not Crooked is marketable to little girls. You really think that's Crooked's target audience, come on now.
I was commenting on a statement made before, but yes I think Crook would like to be in the mainstream if he could, simply because thats where the big bucks are...
Again, Im a Crook fan, been one for years, only thing I dont like about him, is the fact hes yelling COB in EVERY GODDAMN SONG....
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but yes I think Crook would like to be in the mainstream if he could, simply because thats where the big bucks are...
it wasn't where the big bucks were when TLC went bankrupt and it isn't in 2010 either
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LOL @ people worrying about whether or not Crooked is marketable to little girls. You really think that's Crooked's target audience, come on now.
I was commenting on a statement made before, but yes I think Crook would like to be in the mainstream if he could, simply because thats where the big bucks are...
Again, Im a Crook fan, been one for years, only thing I dont like about him, is the fact hes yelling COB in EVERY GODDAMN SONG....
There is a difference between being mainstream and being a sell out though. Crooked isn't worried about catering to the teeny-bopper audience. In the event that they end up liking his music, I suppose that's an added bonus. Look at artists like Soulja Boy, New Boyz, etc (aka the ring-tone rappers) that are tailored made for the middle school to high school generation. A dude like Crooked, may have goals to create records suitable for the radio or mainstream, but that doesn't mean that he's trying to sacrifice his integrity either, feel me?
Let's look at all his singles, "So Damn Hood", "Boom Boom Clap", "New West Anthem", "Dream Big", "Guess Who's Back". While a lot of these songs are catchy, the only one that really stands out as being a cross-over to teeny boppers is "Dream Big". I mean, people said it was obvious that Crooked was trying to go mainstream with "Mr. Pig Face Weapon Waist". Yes, there is some great songs on there like, "U Shoulda Made A Phone Call", but content-wise, that song isn't watered down one bit.
I really don't think we have to worry about Crooked watering down his material. Now, that doesn't mean that he can't do slow jams or anything of that nature. I just don't think he's going to release something that a record label is forcing him to drop, that he wouldn't otherwise stand behind.
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real talk effex
crooked is the boss and the king thats why he dont and wont sell-out
so the first he releases..let alone album that hes jus str8 up sold out....hell lose his fans world wide
keep bringin that girls, guns, and gangsta shit crook
LOL @ people worrying about whether or not Crooked is marketable to little girls. You really think that's Crooked's target audience, come on now.
I was commenting on a statement made before, but yes I think Crook would like to be in the mainstream if he could, simply because thats where the big bucks are...
Again, Im a Crook fan, been one for years, only thing I dont like about him, is the fact hes yelling COB in EVERY GODDAMN SONG....
There is a difference between being mainstream and being a sell out though. Crooked isn't worried about catering to the teeny-bopper audience. In the event that they end up liking his music, I suppose that's an added bonus. Look at artists like Soulja Boy, New Boyz, etc (aka the ring-tone rappers) that are tailored made for the middle school to high school generation. A dude like Crooked, may have goals to create records suitable for the radio or mainstream, but that doesn't mean that he's trying to sacrifice his integrity either, feel me?
Let's look at all his singles, "So Damn Hood", "Boom Boom Clap", "New West Anthem", "Dream Big", "Guess Who's Back". While a lot of these songs are catchy, the only one that really stands out as being a cross-over to teeny boppers is "Dream Big". I mean, people said it was obvious that Crooked was trying to go mainstream with "Mr. Pig Face Weapon Waist". Yes, there is some great songs on there like, "U Shoulda Made A Phone Call", but content-wise, that song isn't watered down one bit.
I really don't think we have to worry about Crooked watering down his material. Now, that doesn't mean that he can't do slow jams or anything of that nature. I just don't think he's going to release something that a record label is forcing him to drop, that he wouldn't otherwise stand behind.
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IMO Crooked I is the second best in the West after Ras Kass. RK is jus unfortunate to hav experienced the shit he went thru otherwise u lil girls wouldn't b talkin Crooked I as the best rapper here out west. Truly speakin if u are a fan of hip hop you'll understand hw Ras Kass eats Crook any day n hw Crook comes 2nd best on the coast. I like Crook bt don't over praise dude, there are cats out ther who can give him a hard time any day. New cats like Wordsmith frm frontline, even older dude like Murs and Mc Ren are tough competition for Crook.
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nah murs cant get crooked
mc ren nowhere near crookeds level
ras kass near but crooked eats ras any day of the year
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The guy doesn't have an official album out... so why should I care...?????? ???
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The guy doesn't have an official album out... so why should I care...?????? ???
i hope you know theres about 300+ CROOKED I SONGS OUT
who gives a shit if he doesnt have an album. ya'll need to quit actin like bitches
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Very interesting thread! I think i know what dude is talking about! Crooked has always been at the top level when it comes to lyricism! He can compete with anyone in this planet lyrically! Sometimes crooked I will throw people off with lyrics like the example of the blob! I actually thought it was pretty clever but many people wont understand the point and thought of some rhymes! As far as a complete artist? I think that is where Crooked I might fall short to many people. He has never proven to make tracks like say 2Pac or Biggie has! Tracks that will give u chills! Deep tracks that get you in the soul! I mean 2Pac was a master at that! A Poet! Crooked's flows sometimes cant really express that sentimental emotion or hardcore passion! I mean he tries but you wont get the same result or feeling from other artist! Crooked I is a true MC and im glad he is in the west! ill throw him in against any dude at any time! But i doubt that peeps will ever recognize or label him as a potential greatest rapper of all time rapper! You need more than just raw lyrics or raw flow! You need something that the greats had that unfortunately cant be learned or be taught!
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nah murs cant get crooked
mc ren nowhere near crookeds level
ras kass near but crooked eats ras any day of the year
the last posts you made have dubbed you a certified stan. congratulations.
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nah murs cant get crooked
two totally different mc's, murs cant do what crooked does and vice versa.....but the day i see crooked do a song like 'walk like a man' is the day i'll consider him one of the best....
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There is a difference between being mainstream and being a sell out though.
I never said Crooked sold out, and Im glad he didnt.
As you said yourself, he tried to appeal to the mainstream with songs like So Damn Hood and Dream Big, trying to mix a poppy hook with lyrics, didnt work that well though... The point I was trying to make is that I think Crook wont ever really appeal to the mainstream, whether he sells out or not, simply because hes too old, and he the self admitted ugliest member of slaughterhouse. He could ghostwrite for anybody in the game, but hes just not destined to be on the screen himself. Which is fine with me, because although there indeed is a difference between being mainstream and selling out, you rarely see it happen.
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til then or if he never does he isnt? lol
damn crooked you got a long way to go
nah murs cant get crooked
two totally different mc's, murs cant do what crooked does and vice versa.....but the day i see crooked do a song like 'walk like a man' is the day i'll consider him one of the best....
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til then or if he never does he isnt? lol
damn crooked you got a long way to go
nah murs cant get crooked
two totally different mc's, murs cant do what crooked does and vice versa.....but the day i see crooked do a song like 'walk like a man' is the day i'll consider him one of the best....
if he isn't versatile enough to do a song with that type of emotion behind it, something u can feel, not just say 'damn, that was a dope punch line!', how can he go from beyond anything more than a dope punchline/metaphor rapper? u let heads in a west coast forum tell it, he's the best ever, but u go to a universal hip-hop board and its another story....he's classified in the same category as a chino xl/canibus/ras kass/vakill type mc....all of them are very similar, whether anyone in here wants to admit it or not there isn't much separating crooked from that group of dope mc's outside of him being a little more gangsta....its all opinion
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aite first off...good lookin on the debate and you comin this way wit respect...so ima throw some back
but crookeds intensity is what makes him dope
its not that ras or chino isnt dope but his dopeness surpasses theirs and they prolly know but cant do nuthin bout
people need to realize crooked is a walkin mic machine and is one of the dopest to ever touch a mic period
dont mean ras is str8 wack...but on crookeds level no
but ras prolly knows this
but yeah ras and crook are above many rappers level
ras kass and crook and the rest are below them IMO
again good lookin for the debate
and where im from has nuthin to do with it
yeah im from the westcoast...yeah i love la...etc...but im not sayin crooked is the best cuz im from the same coast as him...lol
crooked is dope and at the same time im bein honest in sayin cube, game, snoop have made wack muzik for the same coast i am reppin
til then or if he never does he isnt? lol
damn crooked you got a long way to go
nah murs cant get crooked
two totally different mc's, murs cant do what crooked does and vice versa.....but the day i see crooked do a song like 'walk like a man' is the day i'll consider him one of the best....
if he isn't versatile enough to do a song with that type of emotion behind it, something u can feel, not just say 'damn, that was a dope punch line!', how can he go from beyond anything more than a dope punchline/metaphor rapper? u let heads in a west coast forum tell it, he's the best ever, but u go to a universal hip-hop board and its another story....he's classified in the same category as a chino xl/canibus/ras kass/vakill type mc....all of them are very similar, whether anyone in here wants to admit it or not there isn't much separating crooked from that group of dope mc's outside of him being a little more gangsta....its all opinion
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Crooked I is dope don't get me wrong he been tight, but man be real all this time in the music industry and you have not put out one ALBUM???? Something has got to be wrong with that picture.....Now I will bring up one of his old ROW affiliates, who may not be as lyrical as Crooked but who has more SWAG and I could see releasing albums cause he has superior album material and that would be EastWood.......Matter of fact if you go back and listen to the song "We Ballin" EastWood basically made that song he did the hook and damn near all the verses........Like I said Lyrically Crooked I>>>>>>Eastwood,
SWAG/ Song writing Skills Eastwood>>>>>>Crooked I
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nah no way eastwood gets crooked for the song writin
not that east is wack but crooked got east
and swagg....dont care bout that ...lol
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Ok, not sure that this thread is very constructive anymore, but here is my 2 cents...
I've been a fan since the late 90's, and Crooked does a lot of things that set him apart from other rappers:
* Style - This has changed a lot over the years, but to me, he has only gotten better. There are at least 3 distinct styles: pre-DR, DR, post-DR. Giving this much variety is rare in a rapper. Some people want a rapper to stay the same, but I think Crook has only gotten better with his experimentation. Sure, sometimes it doesn't work, but most of the time it does
* Mic Presence - Whether you love him or hate him, he's got it. Not all "successful" rappers do. Old rappers have lost it
* Word play - If you are into word play, I don't think you can find much better. Crook is incredibly creative and cracks me up with some of the insane shit he says. Examples: "muthafuckin w" "low profiles", "big dreams (hhw)"
* Flow - He can rap slow, fast or double-time, even in the same song. He can flow better than the original MC's can on some of the tracks. Examples: "clik clak" "djs and mcs", "uh oh"
* Rhyme scheme - Dude can out rhyme pretty much any MC out today. Examples: "fo shizzle freestyle", "Creased Khaki Flow", "uh oh (hhw)". Crook makes rhyming look so easy that it is almost transparent to the listener. Other rappers look like they try really hard to rhyme by comparison.
* Hip hop weekly - Pretty damn creative. It's refreshing to see rappers try something new rather than just copy off each other. The current state of hip-hop is incestuous at best with its club music and "glam rap"
* Content - He might not speak as deep as Pac, but his content is definitely inspired and fresh most of the time. He has quite a range: "one mic (hhw)", "freak", "u shoulda made a phone call" "circle game anthem"
* Huge library - For not having an album out, Crook has a huge amount of material to choose from
* Freestyle - He can do the off the dome shit really well. Example: Power 106 he did it for about 6 minutes
* Battle - I've only heard that he fucks people up in real battles. He'd hold his own on 8 mile. Frankly, the only person who I think could battle him is a young Eminem. Supernat ain't hard enough (even though I like him). On wax battles, he stays on topic rather than just merely telling the other rappers to eat a dick.
For all of those reasons above, he makes other rappers seem basic.
Yes...
.... he doesn't have an official album
.... he says C.O.B way too much
.... he talks about guns way too much
.... he needs to work on his storytelling and production. As others have said, he needs to make more "real" songs, not just raps
But...
.... he has always brought something new to the table and is one of the biggest contributors to hip-hop musically
.... he doesn't make only one type of music
.... he outshines anyone he's featured with (minor exception on sickology 101)
.... he raps about current events and shit outside of the ghetto or club
.... for as much variety and content as he does, a surprising amount doesn't sound forced or awkward
.... for people who like west coast, he reps it well and is something to be proud of
.... he has substance in his raps. he's not just trying to get rich off of a new dance or catch phrase
Crook ain't perfect, but he's got a lot more wins than losses than most rappers. Sly Boogy has a lot of potential to beat Crooked, but not enough content. Next to 2Pac, Tech N9ne and Crook tie in a distant 2nd place for me.
Ok, you guys can go back to your Snoop bashing.........
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