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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: blazeindave213 on January 02, 2010, 10:16:23 AM
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Hip Hop mogul, Sean "Diddy" Combs, recently co-signed southern rapper Rick Ross by comparing his rapping and rhyming skills to the late Biggie Smalls. During the video shoot for their new "Angels" collaboration, Diddy explained why he thinks the Triple C's leader is in some way like Notorious B.I.G. "Oh y'all ain't hear the second verse," Diddy said about Ross' 'Angels' collaboration. "Yo, y'all gonna peep that when we world premiere that. I don't know, I guess him and Biggie locked up in the room, even my man Hen Roc even said that. For my man Hen Roc to say that and co-sign it like 'Yo, my man right there sounding like our homie.' That right there is something special. That's a mean co-sign, that's a mean co-sign. I don't know what was going on in the studio, the spirits were connecting but it's official. It ain't bootleg, it ain't got no preservatives in it." [Diddy Co-Signs Rick Ross - Compares To Biggie Smalls - Watch Here]
In related news, Diddy recently revealed some details from the video shoot with Rick Ross. "Shooting angels remix video with rick ross! DMC!!!!!!," he wrote Monday (December 28) on his twitter account. "Still shooting angels remix with rick ross in miami! He did a second verse just for video!!! Thisis day 2! Don't stop!" [Diddy - Crowns Rick Ross "The Don" - Watch Here]
http://www.rapbasement.com/p-diddy/010110-diddy-compares-rick-ross-to-the-late-rap-legend-notorious-big-watch-it-all-here.html
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LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO
wowwwww
WOW
that's pathetic but hilarious
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Isn't this why everyone never really liked Diddy with out Biggie???
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They're both fat but that's where the comparison ends. Puff hasn't put out good music n like a decade. His opinion isn't worth much.
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They're both fat but that's where the comparison ends. Puff hasn't put out good music n like a decade. His opinion isn't worth much.
Both are sellouts
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They're both fat but that's where the comparison ends. Puff hasn't put out good music n like a decade. His opinion isn't worth much.
pretty much
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Proof that money = crack addiction
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Biggie didn't sell out, although had he been around much longer its possible he would have...LAD had some raw ass joints.
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Biggie didn't sell out, although had he been around much longer its possible he would have...LAD had some raw ass joints.
For every raw joint,it had a terrible mainstream song.Life after death was extrememly jiggy and pop sounding,bordering on the sellout factor.But it had some great street tracks as well.I get the feeling the next album from him would be even worse,but we will never know.
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Seriously, what tracks were sellout?
Mo money mo problems was jiggy, but big ripped it.
Please elaborate.
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Hypnotize was borderline,fuck you tonight,i love the dough was cheesey as fuck,mo money mo problems,iss u was borderline,another,goin back to cali while he was hot on was cheesey in my opinion in that he never would have made this song if pac was alive,playa hater,nasty boy.Al these songs were corny as hell with the exception of hypnotize.They were all soft bouncy jiggy beats.The total opposite sound of his first album.
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Hypnotize was borderline,fuck you tonight,i love the dough was cheesey as fuck,mo money mo problems,iss u was borderline,another,goin back to cali while he was hot on was cheesey in my opinion in that he never would have made this song if pac was alive,playa hater,nasty boy.Al these songs were corny as hell with the exception of hypnotize.They were all soft bouncy jiggy beats.The total opposite sound of his first album.
to each his own, but I always liked "I Love The Dough" and "Goin' Back To Cali"... never really bumped "Playa Hater" or "Nasty Boy" though
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Damn Puff, how low, how could you compare Rick Ross to Biggie ?? :nawty:
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i think Biggie is lucky he died or he would of fell off.
he was makin' mainstream songs like nobodies business lol.
but Ricky isn't in the same universe as Biggie. :-X
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i think Biggie is lucky he died or he would of fell off.
he was makin' mainstream songs like nobodies business lol.
but Ricky isn't in the same universe as Biggie. :-X
how old are you? 14?
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Why is he 14 because hes stating a fact?
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Why is he 14 because hes stating a fact?
i thought it was a fact lol.
at least i'm not the only one. 8)
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Big gets hated on because he had crossover appeal. How the fuck can anyone call hypnotize poppy. The beat was but Big was spitting that gutter shit. You go to any hood in NY and you ask what their favorite Big track is. And I love the dough lmfao you just don't like that song because you're broke.
Life After Death was a dope ass fucking album. RIP BIG
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/DeOe3ckfMXs
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i think Biggie is lucky he died or he would of fell off.
he was makin' mainstream songs like nobodies business lol.
but Ricky isn't in the same universe as Biggie. :-X
how old are you? 14?
You gotta forgive him, he is from Long Island.
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No,I love the dough has a overly poppy beat and one of the worst hooks Ive heard in my life and mediocre lyrics.
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lol
Why is he 14 because hes stating a fact?
i thought it was a fact lol.
at least i'm not the only one. 8)
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Life After Death shits on 90% of the hip hop released this year
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lol
Why is he 14 because hes stating a fact?
i thought it was a fact lol.
at least i'm not the only one. 8)
doubt this one is true...lol
Life After Death shits on 90% of the hip hop released this year
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No,I love the dough has a overly poppy beat and one of the worst hooks Ive heard in my life and mediocre lyrics.
And your opinion on Hip Hop sucks more than your mother and Orit Maimon working a bachelor party... and thats saying something.
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I know Jays type.... you're the type that will only listen to underground rap no matter how boring it is because you're trying so hard to prove you're hip hop
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Biggie didn't sell out, although had he been around much longer its possible he would have...LAD had some raw ass joints.
For every raw joint,it had a terrible mainstream song.Life after death was extrememly jiggy and pop sounding,bordering on the sellout factor.But it had some great street tracks as well.I get the feeling the next album from him would be even worse,but we will never know.
he tried to copy aeom and failed
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Life After Death shits on 90% of the hip hop released this year
agreed, but it was the beginning for the end for BIG.
look where Puffy is now, you guys can support him all you want; i never said that album sucked, just he was headed to be more appealing to the poppish-mainstream side of things.
but i forgot that you can't have an opinion on this board without one of the boards "know-it-all's" coming to tell you that you're wrong because it doesn't agree with how they feel, silly me. ::)
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Biggie didn't sell out, although had he been around much longer its possible he would have...LAD had some raw ass joints.
For every raw joint,it had a terrible mainstream song.Life after death was extrememly jiggy and pop sounding,bordering on the sellout factor.But it had some great street tracks as well.I get the feeling the next album from him would be even worse,but we will never know.
he tried to copy aeom and failed
LMFAO how did he try and copy Pac ? Because he put out a double disc. Get Pac's dick out your mouth.
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You dont know my type I have no type.I like lots of mainstream artists.But that song sucked ass.
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And if you cant realize he tried to copy pac you need to take bigs dick out of your mouth
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And if you cant realize he tried to copy pac you need to take bigs dick out of your mouth
Please tell me how he copied Pac ? By putting out a double disc ? You Pac stans crack me up sometimes.
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real talk cham
biggie is overrated and more overrated than pac is and pacs overrated
Life After Death shits on 90% of the hip hop released this year
agreed, but it was the beginning for the end for BIG.
look where Puffy is now, you guys can support him all you want; i never said that album sucked, just he was headed to be more appealing to the poppish-mainstream side of things.
but i forgot that you can't have an opinion on this board without one of the boards "know-it-all's" coming to tell you that you're wrong because it doesn't agree with how they feel, silly me. ::)
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First I only listen to underground,now Im a pac stan?But isnt pac mainstream?Lol.You cant be older then 13 or have an iq higher then 80.
What you think its just a fucking coincidence that pac drops the first double album in hip hop and then big drops one?Or how pac worked with bone thugs so then big works with them?Big wanted to be pac,that was his fucking mentor for the early parts of his career.He looked up to pac thats why he wouldnt diss him back.
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Pac will forever be on top of BIG.
the score is too many classic to name to just one. ;)
if 50 Cent died right after Get Rich or Die Tryin' & Power Of A Dollar had already been out, he would recieve the same treatment; i personally feel Biggie was heading down a 50 Cent road, maybe not to the extreme, but a similar path.
real talk cham
biggie is overrated and more overrated than pac is and pacs overrated
Life After Death shits on 90% of the hip hop released this year
agreed, but it was the beginning for the end for BIG.
look where Puffy is now, you guys can support him all you want; i never said that album sucked, just he was headed to be more appealing to the poppish-mainstream side of things.
but i forgot that you can't have an opinion on this board without one of the boards "know-it-all's" coming to tell you that you're wrong because it doesn't agree with how they feel, silly me. ::)
well all these people on the board go on & on about "omg, the impact of this shit obviously makes "so & so" a legend & that shit classic" & it's safe to say Tupac made a bigger impact than any rapper to touch a microphone, so going by the basic logic of this board, Tupac is undeniably the GOAT.
he was great at all aspects of rapping & he has a song for just about everyone out there, no matter what your favorite genre is.
haven there been better lyricists? yes have there been guys with better flows? maybe lol (his was pretty sick), but he had it all & honestly, his death only made him a bigger name, so add it all up and you have the GOAT, Tupac. 8)
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the fact that big looked up to pac not the other way around and jay looked up to big is just further proof of why pac will always be the greatest.And big only dropped two albums,and the second one was nowhere the quality of the first one.
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damn if thats the case thats crazy but interestin
but cham i like your logic and what your thinkin cuz big has always been overrated and people looked at him like he was a god on the mic when he didnt do anythin special
now pac was overrated too but like you said he made all types of songs
big always had that mainstream appeal whereas pac didnt and never sold out
the fact that big looked up to pac not the other way around and jay looked up to big is just further proof of why pac will always be the greatest.And big only dropped two albums,and the second one was nowhere the quality of the first one.
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what was this topic about again lol
i dont think you can use the fact 2pac had more albums than big as an argument against biggie, but again i dont want to be drawn into another bullshit east/west/pac/biggie argument when at the end of the day nobody is gonna agree...both artists are legends to me, for different reasons too
anyway, to get back on topic, someone needs to stop puff's ability to speak
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^what Puff said was so stupid we had to make it interesting lol.
but it's not even like it was just pure quantity with Pac, it was quantity with the more important, quality.
he had like four classic albums lol.
Makaveli
Me Against The World
All Eyez On Me
2Pacalypse
i can see the argument for "Ice Cube >>>", but no way for BIG.
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I put jay z ahead of big as well as nas as well as scarface.
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I put jay z ahead of big as well as nas as well as scarface.
without a doubt Nas, was never big on Scarface, but his consistancy in his discography is impressive.
Jay-Z...
now that's up for discussion; i consider Blueprint, The Black Album & obviously Reasonable Doubt's as classics.
those three are already more than BIG's one, but Jay's worst music is millions of miles below BIG's worst.
although, i really deep down believe BIG was headed for worse, i can't use it as a given.
it's a true toss-up; but you actually have to be feeling Jay's music; i've heard people here say The Black Album is great, not classic, The Blueprint is average & Reasonable Doubt is a classic, but not on the same level as the other classics of the 90's.
i consider Jay a true legend, but better than BIG? i don't know lol.
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but it's not even like it was just pure quantity with Pac, it was quantity with the more important, quality.
he had like four classic albums lol.
Makaveli
Me Against The World
All Eyez On Me
2Pacalypse
i can see the argument for "Ice Cube >>>", but no way for BIG.
co-sign to the fullest, only I don't feel Pac's first album was a classic like the other 3
and Life After Death is one of my favorite albums period and even though Biggie still is one of my favorites he still is mad over-rated
2Pac, Nas, Scarface, Cube > Biggie
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jay you think jay-z was better than face?
and nas better than face?
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I put jay z ahead of big as well as nas as well as scarface.
without a doubt Nas, was never big on Scarface, but his consistancy in his discography is impressive.
Jay-Z...
now that's up for discussion; i consider Blueprint, The Black Album & obviously Reasonable Doubt's as classics.
those three are already more than BIG's one, but Jay's worst music is millions of miles below BIG's worst.
although, i really deep down believe BIG was headed for worse, i can't use it as a given.
it's a true toss-up; but you actually have to be feeling Jay's music; i've heard people here say The Black Album is great, not classic, The Blueprint is average & Reasonable Doubt is a classic, but not on the same level as the other classics of the 90's.
i consider Jay a true legend, but better than BIG? i don't know lol.
Cham is on point in here
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Well.Ive got a love hate thing for jay z.In one hand I think hes extremely over rated.Hes a pop artist and he rarely makes meaningful music.As a person i think hes a piece of shit.I do think blueprint is over rated and that production is the key to him.Unlike someone like nas who can even make the worst of beats tolerable for his lyrics alone,jay is reliant on the beat.If the beat is wack jay is wack.BUT.Their is something to be said of his accomplishments.I got a chance to see him in concert last year,and for a man to be able to play for two hours and have nothing but major hit songs,well you cant deny it.Hes got the hits.I just dont feel hes as good as everyone makes him out to be.
For me pac is number one nas is number two and scarface is number three.
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aite thats interestin
id prolly put face at the top overall...i know better than pac but hey pac is overrated too and face is underrated
nas IMO fell off a while back IMO but he can still spit but it hasnt been the same
only damn rapper i want muzik from is face cuz hes dope and he takes his damn time...lol
but yeah jay is overrated as a rapper and alotta his releases
hes borin to be honest where as nas and face are interestin and better at what they do
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big has always been overrated and people looked at him like he was a god on the mic when he didnt do anythin special
the fact that big looked up to pac not the other way around and jay looked up to big is just further proof of why pac will always be the greatest.And big only dropped two albums,and the second one was nowhere the quality of the first one.
That's prolly one of the stupidest things Ive ever read on the forum, seriosuly, you think Big never did anything "special"???
Yeah he had some commercial tracks on his second album, but the way he was spitting was still gutter as fuck. The fact is he never compromised his flow or lyrics for the tracks he was making, some of the beats and hooks he used just had more commercial appeal to the masses. Its called the rap "game" for a reason, cos you gotta do certain shit to remain popular and on top of the game. Nothing wrong with a dope club track here and there. Imagine how boring LAD would of been if all the tracks sounded like "Niggaz Bleed", althought that track was amazing
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he wasnt anythin special when comparin him to pac, nas, face
i guess its jus a preference
I prefer krs one over big
who do you think was/is better than big?
big has always been overrated and people looked at him like he was a god on the mic when he didnt do anythin special
the fact that big looked up to pac not the other way around and jay looked up to big is just further proof of why pac will always be the greatest.And big only dropped two albums,and the second one was nowhere the quality of the first one.
That's prolly one of the stupidest things Ive ever read on the forum, seriosuly, you think Big never did anything "special"???
Yeah he had some commercial tracks on his second album, but the way he was spitting was still gutter as fuck. The fact is he never compromised his flow or lyrics for the tracks he was making, some of the beats and hooks he used just had more commercial appeal to the masses. Its called the rap "game" for a reason, cos you gotta do certain shit to remain popular and on top of the game. Nothing wrong with a dope club track here and there. Imagine how boring LAD would of been if all the tracks sounded like "Niggaz Bleed", althought that track was amazing
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can't believe some of the comments in this thread, but on a positive note i was reminded of some classic biggie joints! 8)
biggie > jay-z
not to say jay is not a good lyricist, but he could NEVER sound as good as biggie on a record. real talk!
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Well.Ive got a love hate thing for jay z.In one hand I think hes extremely over rated.Hes a pop artist and he rarely makes meaningful music.As a person i think hes a piece of shit.I do think blueprint is over rated and that production is the key to him.Unlike someone like nas who can even make the worst of beats tolerable for his lyrics alone,jay is reliant on the beat.If the beat is wack jay is wack.BUT.Their is something to be said of his accomplishments.I got a chance to see him in concert last year,and for a man to be able to play for two hours and have nothing but major hit songs,well you cant deny it.Hes got the hits.I just dont feel hes as good as everyone makes him out to be.
For me pac is number one nas is number two and scarface is number three.
How is Jay a piece of shit as a person? You've never met him lmfao. You Pac stans crack me up sometimes. Jay does more for his old neighborhood than most every other rapper in the game.
And for the record.... NAS IS THE GOAT.
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Selling out isn't neccisarily dumbing down it's just doing anything for some extra money.
So making more poppy beats & hooks is selling out.
All biggie rapped about was bitches & money, ofcourse he's going to sell out
Shame on everybody comparing biggie & pac, like comparing Gucci to eminem...
Stop giving biggie so much credit as a rapper for dying.
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i like more Big then Pac...Pac was on some corny gangsta shit,Big was more allround rapper...
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At this point I suppose Rick Ross and P. Diddy are no longer relevant in this thread, lol.
Though I fail to see how Rick Ross and Biggie Smalls are similar.
In terms of sales I presume? Or the fact that they both got ruined by their foes? Otherwise,
They're both fat but that's where the comparison ends.
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Biggie didn't sell out, although had he been around much longer its possible he would have...LAD had some raw ass joints.
For every raw joint,it had a terrible mainstream song.Life after death was extrememly jiggy and pop sounding,bordering on the sellout factor.But it had some great street tracks as well.I get the feeling the next album from him would be even worse,but we will never know.
he tried to copy aeom and failed
damn you're on Pac's Nuts ;D
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First I only listen to underground,now Im a pac stan?But isnt pac mainstream?Lol.You cant be older then 13 or have an iq higher then 80.
What you think its just a fucking coincidence that pac drops the first double album in hip hop and then big drops one?Or how pac worked with bone thugs so then big works with them?Big wanted to be pac,that was his fucking mentor for the early parts of his career.He looked up to pac thats why he wouldnt diss him back.
Well Eazy-E would've been the first Rapper (wow i called him an Rapper) who wanted to bring out an Double CD!!!
Str8 off tha Streetz of Muthaphukkin Compton Vo. I & II but Died before it all got finished.
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Selling out isn't neccisarily dumbing down it's just doing anything for some extra money.
So making more poppy beats & hooks is selling out.
All biggie rapped about was bitches & money, ofcourse he's going to sell out
Shame on everybody comparing biggie & pac, like comparing Gucci to eminem...
Stop giving biggie so much credit as a rapper for dying.
damn, pure blasphemy!
after this post im done in this thread :grumpy:
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Selling out isn't neccisarily dumbing down it's just doing anything for some extra money.
So making more poppy beats & hooks is selling out.
All biggie rapped about was bitches & money, ofcourse he's going to sell out
Shame on everybody comparing biggie & pac, like comparing Gucci to eminem...
Stop giving biggie so much credit as a rapper for dying.
damn, pure blasphemy!
after this post im done in this thread :grumpy:
how is it blasphemy?
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Selling out isn't neccisarily dumbing down it's just doing anything for some extra money.
So making more poppy beats & hooks is selling out.
All biggie rapped about was bitches & money, ofcourse he's going to sell out
Shame on everybody comparing biggie & pac, like comparing Gucci to eminem...
Stop giving biggie so much credit as a rapper for dying.
damn, pure blasphemy!
after this post im done in this thread :grumpy:
but Pac was rapping abaut how he's got shoot 5 time and still breathing ???
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how is it blasphemy?
1. Stop giving biggie so much credit as a rapper for dying.
you cant be serious? please, biggie was being touted as the G.O.A.T., rightly or wrongly, after 1 album...the shit didnt start after he died.
2. All biggie rapped about was bitches & money
take another listen to big's catalogue, nonsense...there was so much more to what he had to say than just bitches and money :grumpy:
3. Shame on everybody comparing biggie & pac, like comparing Gucci to eminem...
this comment actually hurt my head...Big accomplished more lyrically in 1 track than Gucci will his entire career...to try and put them on any kinda parity is sheer blasphemy
i actually cant believe some of the comments i read on this site anymore 8)
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you cant be serious? please, biggie was being touted as the G.O.A.T., rightly or wrongly, after 1 album...the shit didnt start after he died.
Ofcourse a few people considered him the goat, I'm not calling him bad or anything.
I'm sure 98% of who call him the goat started doing so after his death or atleast after the death row beef.
You shouldn't consider somebody a GOAT for 1 good album anyway.
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take another listen to big's catalogue, nonsense...there was so much more to what he had to say than just bitches and money
It made up for most his catalogue & we know he was all about the money.
Ok let me add death to that list...
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this comment actually hurt my head...Big accomplished more lyrically in 1 track than Gucci will his entire career...to try and put them on any kinda parity is sheer blasphemy
I knew people couldn't read....
I'm not comparing Biggie with gucci I'm comparing the comparisson.
Tupac is just so much better then B.I.G., you can prefer BIG's music but pac is still superior.
EDIT: I don't hate biggie I just think he's the most overrated rapper in history next to jigga.
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you look at all the other guys that people said were "better" than Biggie?
Pac, Nas, Scarface, maybe Jay-Z.
you know what they all have in common? mad albums & music.
if you can honestly give the title of GOAT or "one of the greatest" to a guy who has two albums compared to the guys i named, who have like ten; it's really like, "wtf?" lol.
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you cant be serious? please, biggie was being touted as the G.O.A.T., rightly or wrongly, after 1 album...the shit didnt start after he died.
Ofcourse a few people considered him the goat, I'm not calling him bad or anything.
I'm sure 98% of who call him the goat started doing so after his death or atleast after the death row beef.
You shouldn't consider somebody a GOAT for 1 good album anyway.
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take another listen to big's catalogue, nonsense...there was so much more to what he had to say than just bitches and money
It made up for most his catalogue & we know he was all about the money.
Ok let me add death to that list...
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this comment actually hurt my head...Big accomplished more lyrically in 1 track than Gucci will his entire career...to try and put them on any kinda parity is sheer blasphemy
I knew people couldn't read....
I'm not comparing Biggie with gucci I'm comparing the comparisson.
Tupac is just so much better then B.I.G., you can prefer BIG's music but pac is still superior.
EDIT: I don't hate biggie I just think he's the most overrated rapper in history next to jigga.
i can read perfectly well, but what you said was just a stupid example of a comparison...we all know the reason that 2pac and biggie are always compared to each other is due to everything that went on at the time, and the fact they were the biggest on their relative coasts at the time...
at the end of the day its all relative anyway, it just gets really boring reading the same pac/biggie bullshit every time either of their names is brought up...whatever any of us thinks doesnt matter, cos we're not all gonna agree so why have the fuckin conversation? its about as played out a topic as there is in hip hop
p.s. they are probably the 2 most over-rated mc's of all time, jay-z coming a close 3rd...i reckon if they were both still alive today they'd both be viewed in the same kinda way jay is, cos after this long your subject matter and motivation isnt gonna be what it used to
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i think Biggie is lucky he died or he would of fell off.
Yeah, really lucky ::)
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you look at all the other guys that people said were "better" than Biggie?
Pac, Nas, Scarface, maybe Jay-Z.
you know what they all have in common? mad albums & music.
if you can honestly give the title of GOAT or "one of the greatest" to a guy who has two albums compared to the guys i named, who have like ten; it's really like, "wtf?" lol.
your opinion is a write-off from now on.
you said biggie is lucky to be dead, just so he wouldnt sell out or fall off?
grow up kid.
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This what happens when you get people like Cham and Ikke talking about rappers that were out when they weren't even cum shots in their Dads sack. And people like Hack and Jay that live in fucking log cabins. First of all Biggie wasn't named the GOAT after Ready to Die. He was being called the King of NY after Ready to Die.. huge difference. And you can make the argument so and so may be better than Big, hell I'll take Nas over Big any day of the week BUT BIGGIE WILL ALWAYS BE THE KING OF NY. Secondly people say Big would of sold out, yea well if my uncle had tits he be my Aunt. We will never know if Big would of sold out. But Pac sold out with All Eyez on Me. He completely switched up his style on that one and became a gangsta rapper. THAT WAS THE FUCKING NORM BACK IN THE MID 90'S. He went from a deep introspective rapper on MATW to a gangsta rapper on Death Row. Tell me how that isn't being a sell out. Unless you were only a cum shot in 96 or lived in a log cabin you wouldn't know what the climate in rap was back in the mid 90's And how is Pac clear cut better than Big ? Flow wise and mic presence wise it's a push. Lyrically Big shit all over Pac. Story telling wise it's a push I might be inclined to give it to Big. Content and emotion wise Pac is way better than Big. So tell me how Pac is so much better than Big. Because he made more albums, thats the dumbest fucking thing I ever heard in my fucking life.
NY is the mecca of rap if Biggie was overrated he wouldn't of been the face of the NY revival in the 90's.
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see the problem is people hear something that they don't want to hear, "Biggie is overrated" & they just reach for whatever.
obviously, like you LEGIT have to be a fucking moron to not understand that i'm overexaggerating the fact he was "lucky to die". ::)
lol, like you don't even know, a complete idiot.
but you just rejected all my other points, didn't quote any other statements, couldn't take note of anything else i said, just the one thing most people who aren't butt-hurt over my opinion understood was an overexaggeration.
i swear, it gets pathetic. :grumpy:
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Diddy must be on crack or something.
By the way... the fact of the matter is... ICE CUBE IS THE GOAT ;D
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see the problem is people hear something that they don't want to hear, "Biggie is overrated" & they just reach for whatever.
obviously, like you LEGIT have to be a fucking moron to not understand that i'm overexaggerating the fact he was "lucky to die". ::)
lol, like you don't even know, a complete idiot.
but you just rejected all my other points, didn't quote any other statements, couldn't take note of anything else i said, just the one thing most people who aren't butt-hurt over my opinion understood was an overexaggeration.
i swear, it gets pathetic. :grumpy:
No you're fucking argument is retarded as well. Your logic is Biggie is overrated because Pac put out more material. Which is fucking retarded. But should I expect any different from a Long Islander ?
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is cham calling Biggie overrated?
no fuckin way... Rick ross is the biggest overrated fake rapper out there
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is cham calling Biggie overrated?
no fuckin way... Rick ross is the biggest overrated fake rapper out there
Cham is a fucking retard.
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i like more Big then Pac...Pac was on some corny gangsta shit,Big was more allround rapper...
Im sorry but that could be the dumbest thing Ive ever read.Youve obviously never listened to eithers music.Big was straight gangsta stuff almost bordering on corny on every track.He had maybe one or two songs that were different.pac had songs about evverything.
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is cham calling Biggie overrated?
no fuckin way... Rick ross is the biggest overrated fake rapper out there
lol Rick Ross is one of the worst rappers out there, i'm not saying he's any good & i'm not saying Biggie is wack.
see the problem is people hear something that they don't want to hear, "Biggie is overrated" & they just reach for whatever.
obviously, like you LEGIT have to be a fucking moron to not understand that i'm overexaggerating the fact he was "lucky to die". ::)
lol, like you don't even know, a complete idiot.
but you just rejected all my other points, didn't quote any other statements, couldn't take note of anything else i said, just the one thing most people who aren't butt-hurt over my opinion understood was an overexaggeration.
i swear, it gets pathetic. :grumpy:
No you're fucking argument is retarded as well. Your logic is Biggie is overrated because Pac put out more material. Which is fucking retarded. But should I expect any different from a Long Islander ?
no, it's not; you just don't want to admit it because his dick is still down your throat.
my 50 Cent analogy was on point, i think anyway.
put out two amazing albums, had all the hype in the world & i bet today you think he's "god fucking awful".
meanwhile, if he would have unfortunately passed away after Get Rich or Die Tryin', he would get praised as a great today.
how can you call or put a guy with a SHITLOAD less material on the same level as guys who have put out classic song after classic song, showing consistency?
and you don't even have an argument, you just get personal because you have nowhere to go.
your typical response: "no, you're wrong; you're retarded & you're "from Long Island"."
you have no real argument you just use personal insults to belittle a brotha to other people like A.G. & T.D.A. & Paul who don't agree with me either; as if you feel personal insults make you right & i'm wrong.
genuinely sad. :-X
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is cham calling Biggie overrated?
no fuckin way... Rick ross is the biggest overrated fake rapper out there
lol Rick Ross is one of the worst rappers out there, i'm not saying he's any good & i'm not saying Biggie is wack.
see the problem is people hear something that they don't want to hear, "Biggie is overrated" & they just reach for whatever.
obviously, like you LEGIT have to be a fucking moron to not understand that i'm overexaggerating the fact he was "lucky to die". ::)
lol, like you don't even know, a complete idiot.
but you just rejected all my other points, didn't quote any other statements, couldn't take note of anything else i said, just the one thing most people who aren't butt-hurt over my opinion understood was an overexaggeration.
i swear, it gets pathetic. :grumpy:
No you're fucking argument is retarded as well. Your logic is Biggie is overrated because Pac put out more material. Which is fucking retarded. But should I expect any different from a Long Islander ?
no, it's not; you just don't want to admit it because his dick is still down your throat.
my 50 Cent analogy was on point, i think anyway.
put out two amazing albums, had all the hype in the world & i bet today you think he's "god fucking awful".
meanwhile, if he would have unfortunately passed away after Get Rich or Die Tryin', he would get praised as a great today.
how can you call or put a guy with a SHITLOAD less material on the same level as guys who have put out classic song after classic song, showing consistency?
and you don't even have an argument, you just get personal because you have nowhere to go.
your typical response: "no, you're wrong; you're retarded & you're "from Long Island"."
you have no real argument you just use personal insults to belittle a brotha to other people like A.G. & T.D.A. & Paul who don't agree with me either; as if you feel personal insults make you right & i'm wrong.
genuinely sad. :-X
No, your 50 Cent analogy is fucking retarded is as well. Because even when 50 was everywhere no one was comparing him to the all time greats except for teeny boopers and pop fans who didn't know any better. Big put out a classic album and a near classic. Please tell me whats not consistent about that ? Because by your dumb ass logic he didn't live in the studio like Pac ? And btw Big wanted off BadBoy because he felt Big was going to try and turn him pop. But speaking of selling out, you never replied to my claim of Pac selling out with All Eyez on Me. Tell me how that wasn't a sell out move. You talk about Pac being better but when you compare skill sets it's fucking even and comes down to personal preference. See cham every valid point I ever raise you ignore and go on some dumb ass argument and than claim all people do is call you retarded.
It's kinda like Baseball when I said the Mets weren't a good team. But your argument was "bubububut ESPN picked them you're wrong and only saying the Mets can lose to act surprised if they win" Now the media says the Mets have a lot of holes and aren't as good as the Phlllies and Braves.... just like I was saying last season. But you always come with some dumb ass fucking logic instead of discussing valid counter arguments and points raised by the other person.
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If 50 cent died after get rich he would viewed as one of the all time greats theirs no doubt about that.That album was critically acclaimed,it was hot,lyrically it was dope,and everyone loved him at that point.
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If 50 cent died after get rich he would viewed as one of the all time greats theirs no doubt about that.That album was critically acclaimed,it was hot,lyrically it was dope,and everyone loved him at that point.
He was all over the place during that time and the album was critically acclaimed but no one was comparing to him the all time greats during that time except people like you who were just getting into rap at the time. And the album wasn't lyrically dope lmfao. That was always a knock on 50 lmfao. It was his other attributes that made his music dope back in the day.
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If 50 cent died after get rich he would viewed as one of the all time greats theirs no doubt about that.That album was critically acclaimed,it was hot,lyrically it was dope,and everyone loved him at that point.
He was all over the place during that time and the album was critically acclaimed but no one was comparing to him the all time greats during that time except people like you who were just getting into rap at the time. And the album wasn't lyrically dope lmfao. That was always a knock on 50 lmfao. It was his other attributes that made his music dope back in the day.
Why are you so quick to make assumptions about everyone just to try to make it look like your winning an arguement,its pretty pathetic.And I was there when big and pac were alive and nobody was going these are the best rappers ever!All that talk came after they died.
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thank you, that's all i wanted, a response; because i know for sure calling me a long islander isn't a "counter argument" lmfao.
& i don't know where you were when 50 Cent was the biggest name in rap, my guess is under a rock because people were calling him the next Tupac & i was like "how the fuck can you say that after two albums"?
Biggie was about money, plain and simple; he didn't care how he made it; if you want to tell me that when people started selling out for sales & you mean to tell me after his last album that he wouldn't be on that same ship? hard to believe, i apoligize, deeply, for having my own opinion. ::)
as for All Eyez On Me a sign of "selling out", i don't have a response to that; but i'm not just going to call you a faggot ass Italian homo from Howard Beach lol.
what's so wrong about that? he always claimed to be a G, he just showed it in his music; he was pretty G on 2Pacalypse. ;D
i'd rather go from deep songs, to G songs with a great flow, than some gutter shit to talking about bitches with some bitch-made hooks. ::)
you're retarded! why? because your opinion doesn't agree with mine. 8)
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If 50 cent died after get rich he would viewed as one of the all time greats theirs no doubt about that.That album was critically acclaimed,it was hot,lyrically it was dope,and everyone loved him at that point.
He was all over the place during that time and the album was critically acclaimed but no one was comparing to him the all time greats during that time except people like you who were just getting into rap at the time. And the album wasn't lyrically dope lmfao. That was always a knock on 50 lmfao. It was his other attributes that made his music dope back in the day.
Why are you so quick to make assumptions about everyone just to try to make it look like your winning an arguement,its pretty pathetic.And I was there when big and pac were alive and nobody was going these are the best rappers ever!All that talk came after they died.
I never said anyone was calling Pac and Big the greatest ever while they were alive lol.
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Which was backing up my proof of what they would have said about 50.After get rich or die tryin 50 was as big as big and pac when they died,with the same sales and critical acclaim.If he died he would have been put up on the same pedestal.
At least pac showed growth with each album.Makavelli was his best album lyrically and possibly sonically.Life after death was a step back for big
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thank you, that's all i wanted, a response; because i know for sure calling me a long islander isn't a "counter argument" lmfao.
& i don't know where you were when 50 Cent was the biggest name in rap, my guess is under a rock because people were calling him the next Tupac & i was like "how the fuck can you say that after two albums"?
Biggie was about money, plain and simple; he didn't care how he made it; if you want to tell me that when people started selling out for sales & you mean to tell me after his last album that he wouldn't be on that same ship? hard to believe, i apoligize, deeply, for having my own opinion. ::)
as for All Eyez On Me a sign of "selling out", i don't have a response to that; but i'm not just going to call you a faggot ass Italian homo from Howard Beach lol.
what's so wrong about that? he always claimed to be a G, he just showed it in his music; he was pretty G on 2Pacalypse. ;D
i'd rather go from deep songs, to G songs with a great flow, than some gutter shit to talking about bitches with some bitch-made hooks. ::)
you're retarded! why? because your opinion doesn't agree with mine. 8)
50 being compared to Pac was because both got shot and survived and played it up big time. And a lot of that was media driven. Sought of like the East/West beef. And tell me how Pac wasn't about money. During the beef between him and Big at some award show their crews bump into each other and Pac said something along the lines of "It's all about the money" in regards to why he started beefing with Big. And that has been cosigned by people in both parties. And what about EDI Amin on the song Bomb First "Got a little question for that nigga that made "Paparazzi"
If you ain't in this rap game, for the motherfuckin cash mayne
then what is your motherfuckin purpose? "
To say Pac wasn't all about the money either is ridiculous. What rapper isn't lol. If it wasn't profitable what rapper would make a career out of it ?
And of course you don't have an argument for Pac being a sellout on AEOM. If you agreed with me it would kill your entire argument. And I'm not Italian or a fag, sorry to get your hopes up Cham. If you don't hear a huge difference in Pac's music on his first 4 albums and compared to AEOM than you're delusional. Yea he always claimed thug on his albums but he took it to another level on AEOM. Even his persona off record completely changed.
And please tell me how Big's hooks are bitch made, I gotta here this.
Look if you like Pac more because you rather listen to a more introspective song thats fine. Personally for me Pac and Big are two of my favs and are both interchangeable. I'm getting at you cats that say Pac is better than Big for dumb ass reason and for behaviors Pac himself exhibited yet gets a pass for it. You like Pac more because it's just personal preference, thats all you gotta say. But cats coming here with some stupid fucking reasons. It's sough of like the hate for Jay-Z when people say he is a fake and all about money. Yet he is a self made millionaire that stared rocafella with drug money and getting his hustle on in the rap business. But the same people that hate on Jay idolize rappers that are flat broke but flaunt it like they got money.
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Jay z is a fucking snake thats why people dont like him.Have you noticed everyone that was near him at any point during their career all hate him and say the same shit about him?
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Which was backing up my proof of what they would have said about 50.After get rich or die tryin 50 was as big as big and pac when they died,with the same sales and critical acclaim.If he died he would have been put up on the same pedestal.
At least pac showed growth with each album.Makavelli was his best album lyrically and possibly sonically.Life after death was a step back for big
Again only the media and cats new to hip hop were comparing the two. And the media compares the two because they will do anything to make a buck. And new cats because they don't know any better. And how did Big take a step back on LAD ? If anything AEOM was huge step back for Pac when you compare to how deep MATW was. And than he took a huge step forward with Makaveli. And if anything Big showed great growth on LAD. He still made the gutter shit like kick in the door. He showed he could make a pop hit with Mo Money Mo Problems. He showed he could get a crossover hit with Hypnotize. I know you try to say thats a pop track but that song was huge in the hood. You live in a log cabin in the woods so you wouldn't know any better. And he was able to make personal tracks like The Sky is the Limit. If anything he showed a versatility very few in rap were ever able to show on just one album.
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Jay z is a fucking snake thats why people dont like him.Have you noticed everyone that was near him at any point during their career all hate him and say the same shit about him?
Please tell me how Jay-Z is a fuckin snake ? Besides people that couldn't blow up on their own and got pissed off when Jay stopped holding their hand.
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You cant be older then 12 with your lame insults.Im done with you.
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You cant be older then 12 with your lame insults.Im done with you.
In other words you don't have a legit argument. Everything i said was valid, sorry the log cabin comment got under your skin. It didn't think it would hurt your feelings. I'll stop with the log cabin comments, just come back and dispute what I said.
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i guess i'll just never understand how him being gangsta is selling out, considering he was always G, but as you said, "took it to another level".
selling out is appealing to women fans to get them to cop music; BIG's hooks & beats were all intended for that purpose.
but i think you've made it quite obvious throughout our Dubcc history you will ALWAYS be right & i will ALWAYS be retarded and wrong.
this argument is just set up for us to go five more pages of the same nonsense; it's whatever.
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i guess i'll just never understand how him being gangsta is selling out, considering he was always G, but as you said, "took it to another level".
selling out is appealing to women fans to get them to cop music; BIG's hooks & beats were all intended for that purpose.
but i think you've made it quite obvious throughout our Dubcc history you will ALWAYS be right & i will ALWAYS be retarded and wrong.
this argument is just set up for us to go five more pages of the same nonsense; it's whatever.
Gimme the Loot Gimme the Loot Im a bad bad boy.... thats set up for women ? Kick in the door waving the fo fo All I heard was Poppa don't hit me no more... Thats set up for women ?
No Cham I am arguing with you because you arguments is filled with holes.
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You cant be older then 12 with your lame insults.Im done with you.
In other words you don't have a legit argument. Everything i said was valid, sorry the log cabin comment got under your skin. It didn't think it would hurt your feelings. I'll stop with the log cabin comments, just come back and dispute what I said.
No,your childish you cant back up any of your points you just result to childish bullshit.You ahve your own thoughts and you wont budge.Thats fine.This is a pointless back and forth that will go nowhere.So keep thinking jay z is an angel and that everyone thats ever known is wrong lol
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You cant be older then 12 with your lame insults.Im done with you.
In other words you don't have a legit argument. Everything i said was valid, sorry the log cabin comment got under your skin. It didn't think it would hurt your feelings. I'll stop with the log cabin comments, just come back and dispute what I said.
No,your childish you cant back up any of your points you just result to childish bullshit.You ahve your own thoughts and you wont budge.Thats fine.This is a pointless back and forth that will go nowhere.So keep thinking jay z is an angel and that everyone thats ever known is wrong lol
Where did I say Jay-Z is an angel. We all got dirt on us. But if you gotta reach like stretch armstrong instead of disputing what I said be my guest.
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Hey Jay, you're a Nas fan right ?
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cham dont you think pac got more commercial albums than all eyez on me?
if so what albums?
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You ahve your own thoughts and you wont budge.Thats fine.This is a pointless back and forth that will go nowhere.
lol, that sums it up the best.
this guy names three songs off an album and tells me my argument is swiss cheese; it's basically a fact that BIG went more mainstream; but i'm wrong, it's cool.
and i'm sure your rebutles have holes in them too, i just don't give a fuck & simply will not bother with a counter argument to your counter argument that will be replied with another counter argument from somewhere because i know for a fact you wouldn't just come straight up & admit that i am anywhere of being in the ballpark of being right.
so replying to the extent of putting your argument down, is pointless.
so you win by default, throw a party. ::)
cham dont you think pac got more commercial albums than all eyez on me?
if so what albums?
well i am clearly a Pac stan (i've been called a stan of 3 different rappers; i thought you could only be a stan of one? lol).
anyway, i can't say he went real commercial on AEOM. that entire album was more real than anything mainstream in todays world.
i mean, there wasn't any downloading and stuff, he was going to sell records for who he was.
the most commercial thing i see about that album is how he teamed up with Dre & Snoop; but that only made it better. :P
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yeah exactly his commercial stuff is the bonnie and clyde or other traxx
but its crazy that anyone wants to say biggie was better than pac
and its good that your sayin pac is the goat and is better than biggie cuz not only biggie is/was overrated but your from the opposite coast of where pac was from so it doesnt make you as biased as someone whos from the west...even tho others want to stay pac was a bi-coastal rapper
what coast you say pac is from?
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You ahve your own thoughts and you wont budge.Thats fine.This is a pointless back and forth that will go nowhere.
lol, that sums it up the best.
this guy names three songs off an album and tells me my argument is swiss cheese; it's basically a fact that BIG went more mainstream; but i'm wrong, it's cool.
and i'm sure your rebutles have holes in them too, i just don't give a fuck & simply will not bother with a counter argument to your counter argument that will be replied with another counter argument from somewhere because i know for a fact you wouldn't just come straight up & admit that i am anywhere of being in the ballpark of being right.
so replying to the extent of putting your argument down, is pointless.
so you win by default, throw a party. ::)
cham dont you think pac got more commercial albums than all eyez on me?
if so what albums?
well i am clearly a Pac stan (i've been called a stan of 3 different rappers; i thought you could only be a stan of one? lol).
anyway, i can't say he went real commercial on AEOM. that entire album was more real than anything mainstream in todays world.
i mean, there wasn't any downloading and stuff, he was going to sell records for who he was.
the most commercial thing i see about that album is how he teamed up with Dre & Snoop; but that only made it better. :P
If you were around during the climate of the time you would realize how much of a sell out move AEOM was. Back in the mid 90's the Death Row sound was the dominant sound in the business. It was the sound that most of the industry was trying to emulate. It dominated the radios and women were even listening to it as well. Just because compared to today's music it sounds street doesn't mean Pac didn't sell out back than. And Pac didn't really start pushing records until All Eyez on Me when he really dropped the conscience introspective music and went basically strictly with the Death Row sound for the album. Thats being a sell out.
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Me against the world was multip platinum so that right there shoots you down.And wonda why they call u bitch was a more introspective track then big was ever capable of and that was on aeom.
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Me against the world was multip platinum so that right there shoots you down.And wonda why they call u bitch was a more introspective track then big was ever capable of and that was on aeom.
MATW didn't go multi plat until after his death. It went Plat during a time when every rapper was going Plat. Even MC Eiht went Gold on an album.
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well i guess we have different types of sell outs but i was thinkin more of the commercial sell out type
and i guess all sell outs are connected....as in the commercial sell out is pretty much the same as the label pushin its artists to make certain muzik
but IMO pac spit from his HEART if thats what you want to call it especially on all eyez on me...with some mainstream soundin muzik but as far as the lyrical content pac didnt hold back...but that dont mean he didnt sell out on the muzik side especially with the thug image he was puttin out there
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Me against the world was multip platinum so that right there shoots you down.And wonda why they call u bitch was a more introspective track then big was ever capable of and that was on aeom.
MATW didn't go multi plat until after his death. It went Plat during a time when every rapper was going Plat. Even MC Eiht went Gold on an album.
Difference is pac was in jail when it came out and couldnt promote it at all.
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Chamilitary Click: please just shup up. You're constantly throwing out stupid hypotheticals that have absolutely no way of being proven...IF Big didn't die he woulda sold out / been average, IF 50 cent died after grodt he'd be the GOAT....just quit doing that shit it doesn't prove anything.
You think Biggie was average but the fact that he was killed is the only thing that puts at GOAT status? Biggie was the King of NY when Ready to Die dropped, he was already regarded as having put out one of the best albums during a time when there was a lot of great albums dropping.
He was the one that kept Bad Boy grimey...after he died it was jiggy bullshit...had the LOX doing Rod Stewart remakes n shit...
And don't compare him to 50 cent either, Biggie NEVER did anything as wack as 50 has done since GRODT. Not in the same league at all. So your hypotheticals don't work anyway.
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Tom AEOM wasn't a sellout album by Pac...thats your NY bias kickin in...Pac was doing and saying all kinds of shit prior to him signing with DR...he fuckin shot 2 off duty cops, and was puttin out hard ass records way before DR...
LAD had more pop appeal than AEOM.
Dude almost had his balls blown off in his homies neighborhood in NY and they play dumb, he goes to jail for a crime he didn't commit. When he got outta jail he was pretty angry, and his music reflected that. He wasn't on some peaceful, love your enemies type of shit, he was pissed and wanted war.
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Why is he 14 because hes stating a fact?
i thought it was a fact lol.
at least i'm not the only one. 8)
You are right, im with you.
Biggie is one of my favorite rappers i grew up on his music.
BAd Boy was going mainstream you can even hear it on his last record.
He even state multiple times before his last record came out he wanted to do some different.
Rick Ross is good in his own right, hes good at what he does simple as that.
HE has good beats and his lyrics are on point.
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Pac was somthing like 40 Glock now..he was dissin rappers for no reason just to get attention ;)
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Difference being 2pac was the number one selling artist in the rap game and 40 glocc is a nobody.
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agree...pac was a name and he still is,but i mean abaut beffing and all that shit
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AEOM was a celebration of life, subject matter like 2pacalypse now wouldn't fit the concept.
Ofcourse Pac & Big weren't considered the greatest of all time when they were alive.
They weren't veterans, nobody calls a rookie the greatest of all time and is taken seirously.
Pac was somthing like 40 Glock now..he was dissin rappers for no reason just to get attention ;)
He had beef with B.I.G., the others just 'had to open their mouths with opinion's ' like pac said.
Chino XL 'started' the beef as well
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biggie never sold out because he never dumbed down lyrically...alright he mighta came with a weak verse or two but who hasnt??...but i dont think you could say he conscientously dumbed down his shit...i dont remember his ass bein in no video games or bringing out no action figures...some of you need to re-evaluate your definition of a sell out....or better yet say that shit to lil kim or junior mafia who he dragged up with him
im not even taking sides on yall pac - big thing...i appreciate both probly prefer pac but that me
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http://www.youtube.com/v/4xfpxJBxo_Y
Proof pac would never sell out
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Chamilitary Click: please just shup up. You're constantly throwing out stupid hypotheticals that have absolutely no way of being proven...IF Big didn't die he woulda sold out / been average, IF 50 cent died after grodt he'd be the GOAT....just quit doing that shit it doesn't prove anything.
You think Biggie was average but the fact that he was killed is the only thing that puts at GOAT status? Biggie was the King of NY when Ready to Die dropped, he was already regarded as having put out one of the best albums during a time when there was a lot of great albums dropping.
He was the one that kept Bad Boy grimey...after he died it was jiggy bullshit...had the LOX doing Rod Stewart remakes n shit...
And don't compare him to 50 cent either, Biggie NEVER did anything as wack as 50 has done since GRODT. Not in the same league at all. So your hypotheticals don't work anyway.
LOL! says the same guy whose trying to make the board believe santanism runs the world; you have no proof of that.
and i never said Biggie was average so don't put words in my mouth, faggot.
he was a great rapper & is probably top 15 all time; but i can't put him with Pac or Nas who have mutiple classics & who has shown consistancy.
if Crooked doesn't have an album & people say that's why he can't be considered great; how can BIG put out just two albums and be on GOAT status? ???
if Pac, Nas, Scarface & Cube have 8 or more works & half of what they did is pure classic how can you say Biggies one is equal to all of that?
& how are you going to twist and turn the 50 Cent thing; if he died with just Get Rich or Die Tryin' & Power Of A Dollar & you obviously wouldn't have known the wack shit was on the way, he would get much higher praise.
most importantly, you just don't want to hear what i have to say, you don't exactly have a history of being unbiased towards posters. ::)
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cham is too young for this shit guys its not even worth arguing, trust me. dude reads a wikipedia page and thinks he knows all about the history
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By the way... the fact of the matter is... ICE CUBE IS THE GOAT ;D
8)
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cham is too young for this shit guys its not even worth arguing, trust me. dude reads a wikipedia page and thinks he knows all about the history
good argument. ::)
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By the way... the fact of the matter is... SCARFACE IS THE GOAT ;D
8)
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Me against the world was multip platinum so that right there shoots you down.And wonda why they call u bitch was a more introspective track then big was ever capable of and that was on aeom.
MATW didn't go multi plat until after his death. It went Plat during a time when every rapper was going Plat. Even MC Eiht went Gold on an album.
Difference is pac was in jail when it came out and couldnt promote it at all.
He didn't need to promote. The fact he was locked up and had shot two off duty cops a year earlier was promotion within itself. All the stuff going on in Pacs life around that time did more to promote than anything Pac and the record label could of set up.
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cham is too young for this shit guys its not even worth arguing, trust me. dude reads a wikipedia page and thinks he knows all about the history
good argument. ::)
its such a good argument that u have nothing to dispute it as per usual. if an argument is weak then you should be able to dissect it easily, but you dont. all your points are completely hypothetical and any information you have from the time of biggie/pac is most def something you read on the internet. what u gonna say now? pretend that u were active in the hip-hop scene at the time? we all known thats not true so just give it up.
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cham is too young for this shit guys its not even worth arguing, trust me. dude reads a wikipedia page and thinks he knows all about the history
good argument. ::)
its such a good argument that u have nothing to dispute it as per usual. if an argument is weak then you should be able to dissect it easily, but you dont. all your points are completely hypothetical and any information you have from the time of biggie/pac is most def something you read on the internet. what u gonna say now? pretend that u were active in the hip-hop scene at the time? we all known thats not true so just give it up.
oh, you know?
so what's my social security number? what's my address? you know me? yeah, alright. ::)
you're one of these two things, just like everybody in this thread; 1. an upset pro-Biggie or anti-Pac fan or 2. some faggot poster who just hates on me. there is no other alternative, so take your pick.
if you knew as much about this conversation as you claim to know about me (lmao), you would know that all i did was give my opinion, i mean people shoot down my "controversal" opinion because they don't agree with it; but how do you deny a man his opinion?
i understand it's a board full of "know-it-alls" & clearly they legit know it all; apparently down to who i am lmfao.
i swear, some of you guys are the most pathetic souls on the planet; i mean, there are about 3-4 people in this thread that co-signed what i said, yet I am the only "retarded" one.
you guys constantly expose your groupism towards what i say & how bad you thrive on shooting me down.
I know Jays type.... you're the type that will only listen to underground rap no matter how boring it is because you're trying so hard to prove you're hip hop
This what happens when you get people like Cham and Ikke talking about rappers that were out when they weren't even cum shots in their Dads sack. And people like Hack and Jay that live in fucking log cabins.
cham is too young for this shit guys its not even worth arguing, trust me. dude reads a wikipedia page and thinks he knows all about the history
i mean, look at that; telling people who they are. the question is, who the fuck are you?
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cham str8 ridin on his enemies...lol
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cham str8 ridin on his enemies...lol
I feel that this track is only appropriate for this thread:
http://www.youtube.com/v/FGjyRjd1_jQ&hl=en_US&fs=1&
http://www.youtube.com/v/FGjyRjd1_jQ&hl=en_US&fs=1&
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cham str8 ridin on his enemies...lol
I feel that this track is only appropriate for this thread:
http://www.youtube.com/v/FGjyRjd1_jQ&hl=en_US&fs=1&
http://www.youtube.com/v/FGjyRjd1_jQ&hl=en_US&fs=1&
LOL, just look at the impact he's had on me.
that kind of impact is GOAT worthy. :P
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Pac was somthing like 40 Glock now..he was dissin rappers for no reason just to get attention ;)
homie, please don't ever put those 2 in the same breath again... it's a disgrace to 2Pac
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cham is too young for this shit guys its not even worth arguing, trust me. dude reads a wikipedia page and thinks he knows all about the history
good argument. ::)
its such a good argument that u have nothing to dispute it as per usual. if an argument is weak then you should be able to dissect it easily, but you dont. all your points are completely hypothetical and any information you have from the time of biggie/pac is most def something you read on the internet. what u gonna say now? pretend that u were active in the hip-hop scene at the time? we all known thats not true so just give it up.
oh, you know?
so what's my social security number? what's my address? you know me? yeah, alright. ::)
you're one of these two things, just like everybody in this thread; 1. an upset pro-Biggie or anti-Pac fan or 2. some faggot poster who just hates on me. there is no other alternative, so take your pick.
if you knew as much about this conversation as you claim to know about me (lmao), you would know that all i did was give my opinion, i mean people shoot down my "controversal" opinion because they don't agree with it; but how do you deny a man his opinion?
i understand it's a board full of "know-it-alls" & clearly they legit know it all; apparently down to who i am lmfao.
i swear, some of you guys are the most pathetic souls on the planet; i mean, there are about 3-4 people in this thread that co-signed what i said, yet I am the only "retarded" one.
you guys constantly expose your groupism towards what i say & how bad you thrive on shooting me down.
I know Jays type.... you're the type that will only listen to underground rap no matter how boring it is because you're trying so hard to prove you're hip hop
This what happens when you get people like Cham and Ikke talking about rappers that were out when they weren't even cum shots in their Dads sack. And people like Hack and Jay that live in fucking log cabins.
cham is too young for this shit guys its not even worth arguing, trust me. dude reads a wikipedia page and thinks he knows all about the history
i mean, look at that; telling people who they are. the question is, who the fuck are you?
u mad?
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^"u mad?" aka "i have nothing to say". ::)
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i love how any biggie thread that comes up turns into a biggie vs 2pac.........typical.
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i love how any biggie thread that comes up turns into a biggie vs 2pac.........typical.
I like Rick Ross, but let's be real... there is NO comparing him with Biggie even if Diddy did just that, thus resulting in this thread turning into what it is now
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yeah ross is wack...str8 wack
and i dont even like biggies muzik but damn
biggie>>>>>>
i love how any biggie thread that comes up turns into a biggie vs 2pac.........typical.
I like Rick Ross, but let's be real... there is NO comparing him with Biggie even if Diddy did just that, thus resulting in this thread turning into what it is now
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cham is too young for this shit guys its not even worth arguing, trust me. dude reads a wikipedia page and thinks he knows all about the history
good argument. ::)
its such a good argument that u have nothing to dispute it as per usual. if an argument is weak then you should be able to dissect it easily, but you dont. all your points are completely hypothetical and any information you have from the time of biggie/pac is most def something you read on the internet. what u gonna say now? pretend that u were active in the hip-hop scene at the time? we all known thats not true so just give it up.
oh, you know?
so what's my social security number? what's my address? you know me? yeah, alright. ::)
you're one of these two things, just like everybody in this thread; 1. an upset pro-Biggie or anti-Pac fan or 2. some faggot poster who just hates on me. there is no other alternative, so take your pick.
if you knew as much about this conversation as you claim to know about me (lmao), you would know that all i did was give my opinion, i mean people shoot down my "controversal" opinion because they don't agree with it; but how do you deny a man his opinion?
i understand it's a board full of "know-it-alls" & clearly they legit know it all; apparently down to who i am lmfao.
i swear, some of you guys are the most pathetic souls on the planet; i mean, there are about 3-4 people in this thread that co-signed what i said, yet I am the only "retarded" one.
you guys constantly expose your groupism towards what i say & how bad you thrive on shooting me down.
I know Jays type.... you're the type that will only listen to underground rap no matter how boring it is because you're trying so hard to prove you're hip hop
This what happens when you get people like Cham and Ikke talking about rappers that were out when they weren't even cum shots in their Dads sack. And people like Hack and Jay that live in fucking log cabins.
cham is too young for this shit guys its not even worth arguing, trust me. dude reads a wikipedia page and thinks he knows all about the history
i mean, look at that; telling people who they are. the question is, who the fuck are you?
No the thing is you're 17-18 years old and you're telling people who were old enough to remember that era what the era was really like and how it went down. When you have no idea except from what you read on wikipedia. Another thing, a lot of valid arguments were mentioned and you reply back with hypothetical situations or just flat out ignore the valid point that was mentioned.
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^Tom, what are you? 23?
what were you? 10 years old when that shit went down? i was 5?
because at 10 years old, you have no idea what the fuck was going on either lol.
i'm not saying you don't know anything before you misquote me, i mean there is only about a billion articles, documentaries, etc. about it for you or anybody to understand the situation; but i use the always reliable Wikipedia lol. ::)
and looking back, i don't have an argument, i have an opinion that was blown up into an argument.
i said, "Biggie would have sold out; i feel Ready To Die had a more poppish feel & working with Diddy, he was bound for it".
that's not an exact quote, but it's the exact point is was trying to get across; now, why can't i think that?
i think he would of sold out; you disagree and think he wouldn't have.
i can't prove he would of & you can't prove he wouldn't of; let opinions be opinions.
that is all.
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^Tom, what are you? 23?
what were you? 10 years old when that shit went down? i was 5?
because at 10 years old, you have no idea what the fuck was going on either lol.
i'm not saying you don't know anything before you misquote me, i mean there is only about a billion articles, documentaries, etc. about it for you or anybody to understand the situation; but i use the always reliable Wikipedia lol. ::)
and looking back, i don't have an argument, i have an opinion that was blown up into an argument.
i said, "Biggie would have sold out; i feel Ready To Die had a more poppish feel & working with Diddy, he was bound for it".
that's not an exact quote, but it's the exact point is was trying to get across; now, why can't i think that?
i think he would of sold out; you disagree and think he wouldn't have.
i can't prove he would of & you can't prove he wouldn't of; let opinions be opinions.
that is all.
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diddy must be on crack or something strong
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he been on crack for years
dirty money
making the band etc....
diddy must be on crack or something strong
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he been on crack for years
dirty money
making the band etc....
diddy must be on crack or something strong
LMFAO!
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for real
what talent has he put out?
dirty money, dem boys, that shit isnt talent
he puts out a wack 8ball n mjg album
the dopest rapper that caught commercial attention that was still gangsta was shyne and you already know how that went
i dont wear his clothin line anymore...lol
and now hes found his new set of friends or artists he wants to use to keep his name out there wit that wack last plane or train to france shit
he been on crack for years
dirty money
making the band etc....
diddy must be on crack or something strong
LMFAO!
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for real
what talent has he put out?
dirty money, dem boys, that shit isnt talent
he puts out a wack 8ball n mjg album
the dopest rapper that caught commercial attention that was still gangsta was shyne and you already know how that went
i dont wear his clothin line anymore...lol
and now hes found his new set of friends or artists he wants to use to keep his name out there wit that wack last plane or train to france shit
he been on crack for years
dirty money
making the band etc....
diddy must be on crack or something strong
LMFAO!
I liked Boyz N Da Hood back when Jeezy was still in the group and I still have that album... the 8Ball & MJG album had some dope tracks on it but also wack ones, and Diddy got Red Cafe now so at least there's still some hope as long as he doesn't fuck up his album 8)
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yeah he got red cafe but red cafe been thru more labels than papa diddy papa been thru woman
jus watch him and red himself make wack muzik...im ill im ill.....wit jay on the hook
but its no suprise red dont have a choice if he wants to sell he has to go this route
but damn ross on the same level as biggie...watch his biggie and pac comparisons are next
how pac looked up to biggie and pac was biggies idol...lol
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for real
what talent has he put out?
dirty money, dem boys, that shit isnt talent
he puts out a wack 8ball n mjg album
the dopest rapper that caught commercial attention that was still gangsta was shyne and you already know how that went
i dont wear his clothin line anymore...lol
and now hes found his new set of friends or artists he wants to use to keep his name out there wit that wack last plane or train to france shit
he been on crack for years
dirty money
making the band etc....
diddy must be on crack or something strong
LMFAO!
I liked Boyz N Da Hood back when Jeezy was still in the group and I still have that album... the 8Ball & MJG album had some dope tracks on it but also wack ones, and Diddy got Red Cafe now so at least there's still some hope as long as he doesn't fuck up his album 8)
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Diddy also made a video declaring Tha Carter III a classic... it's obvious he's a fucking dickrider and an idiot...
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^"u mad?" aka "i have nothing to say". ::)
aka im tired of arguing with you as you never actually address the points, you go on a huge rant about nothing, and you are a child who is unwilling to accept when he is wrong or is not knowlegable enough to comment. its no coincidence other people are saying this exact same thing to you. try listening to critisism and try a lil self-improvement.
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http://www.youtube.com/v/yg3br8KeATY
skip to 4:45 minutes
"I'd Rap About Flowers If it would help me sell 4 million records"
It's not selling out according to the definition since it doesn't neccisarily sound like this is going against his morals & principles
Also a craig mack diss in the begining
First on topic post since I derailed the thread on page 1:
Diddy Compared Rick Ross to B.I.G., Mariah Compared Gucci to ODB, what's next?
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^"u mad?" aka "i have nothing to say". ::)
aka im tired of arguing with you as you never actually address the points, you go on a huge rant about nothing, and you are a child who is unwilling to accept when he is wrong or is not knowlegable enough to comment. its no coincidence other people are saying this exact same thing to you. try listening to critisism and try a lil self-improvement.
lmao, when somebody asks you "who is your favorite rapper?" & you give your answer & they tell you that you're wrong; don't you see something incredibly wrong with that?
how can an opinion be wrong? :D
& BloodMoney, i praise that album all the time; nothing too amazing, but such a good listen, that Boyz N The Hood album. 8)
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They're both fat but that's where the comparison ends. Puff hasn't put out good music n like a decade. His opinion isn't worth much.
thats about it
LMAO @ DIDDY. what a fuckin idiot
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how can an opinion be wrong? :D
if someone thinks ill bill is the best rapper in the world then cool for them but it doesnt stop it being a dumbass opinion. for example
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Diddy also made a video declaring Tha Carter III a classic... it's obvious he's a fucking dickrider and an idiot...
and a crack smoker ;D