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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: blkb on February 12, 2010, 03:34:08 AM
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http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5jEZsJB0SMNjMzUacapF_ox9ROVtg
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oh snap looks like were not hear anything from wideawake for a whilecif ever aging
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he wont win...all contracts get cancelled in a liquidation.
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here we go again....
we will never hear dr dre tracks from the vault
In Dr. Dre's lawsuit, he claims his attorneys notified the new owners that he's owed royalties, but they've yet to respond.
He says WIDEawake released a new version of The Chronic titled Re-Lit, and a greatest hits collection, containing his recordings without his permission.
"When it came to paying artist royalties and honoring limits on Dr. Dre recordings that could be released, the 'new' Death Row Records, to quote our client, 'forgot about Dre'," Dre's attorney, Howard King, said in a statement. "This lawsuit will make sure they remember."
Dre is seeking unspecified damages of more than $75,000 for breach of contract, false advertising, trademark infringement and misappropriation of publicity.
http://www.ballerstatus.com/2010/02/12/dr-dre-files-lawsuit-against-new-death-row-records-over-royalties/
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he wont win...all contracts get cancelled in a liquidation.
the company has to pay him.
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Does dre really need 75 000 dollars?.......................
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Lol. Good luck even getting $75,000 out of Wideawake. They've never made any money with any of their releases. You can't squeeze blood out of a turnip. If they didn't pay Dre his royalties, that is shady on their part. But having said that, let me just say that Dre is such a cry-baby. Why does an artist of his stature even care if some little operation which tried to do something positive with Death Row, re-released his first album with bonus material. They actually honored his "cry-baby clause" and didn't put any new Dre material on there. It's actually his fault that that cd ended up being released as an inferior product. Maybe if he'd allowed them to include his unreleased tracks on there the album would have sold, and consequently, Wideawake might actually have some money for which Dre could try to sue them. As it stands, $75,000 is just a drop in the bucket, compared to what Dre is actually worth. And all he's doing now is kicking a company while they're down.
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Well, let's just hope that this gets resolved soon. This is not a good look. It looks more and more like those recordings from tha vault of Dr. Dre won't see tha light of day.
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thats not the point....when someone uses your
hard work
name
why shouldnt you get paid?
jus outta respect alone
Does dre really need 75 000 dollars?.......................
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That would be a good point if dre didn't leave that shit unreleased in the first place
One of the main reasons Wide-Awake bought death row was to gain acces to dre's unreleased shit, that's more then respect, that's fucking idolizing the man!
thats not the point....when someone uses your
hard work
name
why shouldnt you get paid?
jus outta respect alone
Does dre really need 75 000 dollars?.......................
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Its not about the money, he is sueing as they used his name/work without paying him his owed royalties.
The suit value will be based on the limited sales of that release - dre cant control what value that is, he can only sue for a tangible amount.
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Lol. Good luck even getting $75,000 out of Wideawake. They've never made any money with any of their releases. You can't squeeze blood out of a turnip. If they didn't pay Dre his royalties, that is shady on their part. But having said that, let me just say that Dre is such a cry-baby. Why does an artist of his stature even care if some little operation which tried to do something positive with Death Row, re-released his first album with bonus material. They actually honored his "cry-baby clause" and didn't put any new Dre material on there. It's actually his fault that that cd ended up being released as an inferior product. Maybe if he'd allowed them to include his unreleased tracks on there the album would have sold, and consequently, Wideawake might actually have some money for which Dre could try to sue them. As it stands, $75,000 is just a drop in the bucket, compared to what Dre is actually worth. And all he's doing now is kicking a company while they're down.
i'm sure you wouldn't say that if it was about your work
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*Dead*
No seriously, I'm speechless, LOL.
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Does dre really need 75 000 dollars?.......................
I've been thinkin' about sometimes that is Dre broke? Well, not broke but is he that rich like he does say he is? He left Death Row with no money. Who payed whatever had to be paid from that Truth Hurts lawsuit? Who paid all those lawsuits he got from the "2001" samples? Is Jimmy the one that's payin' all those writers who been writin' for "Detox"?
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Does dre really need 75 000 dollars?.......................
I've been thinkin' about sometimes that is Dre broke? Well, not broke but is he that rich like he does say he is? He left Death Row with no money. Who payed whatever had to be paid from that Truth Hurts lawsuit? Who paid all those lawsuits he got from the "2001" samples? Is Jimmy the one that's payin' all those writers who been writin' for "Detox"?
He charges 250 000 dollar a beat & is still the most asked for producer in the game.
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Does dre really need 75 000 dollars?.......................
I've been thinkin' about sometimes that is Dre broke? Well, not broke but is he that rich like he does say he is? He left Death Row with no money. Who payed whatever had to be paid from that Truth Hurts lawsuit? Who paid all those lawsuits he got from the "2001" samples? Is Jimmy the one that's payin' all those writers who been writin' for "Detox"?
that's not true
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idt hes really the most asked for in the game at this point... a lot of rappers just go to swizzy or jr rotem for the club banger...
also doesn't he do some beats for free? like for people in his circle or what not.
i know that raekwon paid top dollar for those 2 beats he got.
but like... did he "charge" eminem for relapse? im sure he collected royalties and profits from it but did em really give him 250 per beat?
i mean idk the whole situation is just fishy... detox has to have an incredibly high budget....
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dre don't care about the fans he just think about money for spending in gay clubs. i have lost all my respect for him.
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Lol at waiting til Suge is long gone to sue for 14 years of royalties, what a fucking coward.
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Does dre really need 75 000 dollars?.......................
I've been thinkin' about sometimes that is Dre broke? Well, not broke but is he that rich like he does say he is? He left Death Row with no money. Who payed whatever had to be paid from that Truth Hurts lawsuit? Who paid all those lawsuits he got from the "2001" samples? Is Jimmy the one that's payin' all those writers who been writin' for "Detox"?
that's not true
You don't know that for sure. Who are payin' those lawsuits?
Lol at waiting til Suge is long gone to sue for 14 years of royalties, what a fucking coward.
Dre has sued Suge many times, i don't know if he ever got payed though.
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I don't think this anything to do with Money. Dre enough of that. He made like 15 million in 2008. And he was barely active.
The lawsuit probably has little to do with Dre anyway. He's probably got a team of lawyers that do this on the regular.
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Does dre really need 75 000 dollars?.......................
I've been thinkin' about sometimes that is Dre broke? Well, not broke but is he that rich like he does say he is? He left Death Row with no money. Who payed whatever had to be paid from that Truth Hurts lawsuit? Who paid all those lawsuits he got from the "2001" samples? Is Jimmy the one that's payin' all those writers who been writin' for "Detox"?
that's not true
You don't know that for sure. Who are payin' those lawsuits?
well i know for sure that Suge lied about Dre leaving with no money: they were beefing
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well i know for sure that Suge lied about Dre leaving with no money: they were beefing
Everybody has said that though. Most of the artists left Death Row without money. Suge used to buy them houses, cars and chains but they weren't makin' money that much though. Nate Dogg said the he never understood how can you create/build a label and own it and then just leave the label. Didn't Dre own 50% of Death Row? He didn't sell his own half to Suge, Suge just stole it and didn't pay Dre nothin'. I wonder if Suge has ever payed anythin over any of the lawsuits he had.
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well i know for sure that Suge lied about Dre leaving with no money: they were beefing
Everybody has said that though. Most of the artists left Death Row without money. Suge used to buy them houses, cars and chains but they weren't makin' money that much though. Nate Dogg said the he never understood how can you create/build a label and own it and then just leave the label. Didn't Dre own 50% of Death Row? He didn't sell his own half to Suge, Suge just stole it and didn't pay Dre nothin'. I wonder if Suge has ever payed anythin over any of the lawsuits he had.
Dre got payed when he left Death Row, just not all of what was owed to him. Dre stated this long ago. Clearly he still hasn't received what was owed to him and he's taking action. He deserves to get payed what was owed to him. Hell, all of tha former artists of Death Row does. That was part of tha company's downfall. I think it was crazy that he had to give up his ownership of tha label but, it turned out to be his smartest and strongest.
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dre suing wideawake , dre dropping hearphones, dre with lady gaga blablabla bla bla bla...but he can't drop his album in 2010..... he better drop his album or go fuck himself
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Lol. Good luck even getting $75,000 out of Wideawake. They've never made any money with any of their releases. You can't squeeze blood out of a turnip. If they didn't pay Dre his royalties, that is shady on their part. But having said that, let me just say that Dre is such a cry-baby. Why does an artist of his stature even care if some little operation which tried to do something positive with Death Row, re-released his first album with bonus material. They actually honored his "cry-baby clause" and didn't put any new Dre material on there. It's actually his fault that that cd ended up being released as an inferior product. Maybe if he'd allowed them to include his unreleased tracks on there the album would have sold, and consequently, Wideawake might actually have some money for which Dre could try to sue them. As it stands, $75,000 is just a drop in the bucket, compared to what Dre is actually worth. And all he's doing now is kicking a company while they're down.
i'm sure you wouldn't say that if it was about your work
I'm not saying that Dre is wrong. Technically, Dre is in the right. But the whole thing seems very petty to me. This is a company that Dre helped build. He could take some interest in helping it succeed. It's not as though Suge is still at the helm, over there. There's no point in further perpetuating the animosity.
Now, I agree that when they used his material, Dre should have been compensated. All I'm saying is, I don't feel sorry for Dre. Not only did he block them from putting his unreleased tracks on the album as the bonus material (as was originally announced), he did nothing to help promote this release. I'm not saying he needed to go on an elaborate tour or anything too over-the-top. But he probably could have released a statement endorsing the release. By doing nothing, he passively contributed to the project's failure.
Even if he wins this lawsuit, I'm not sure he'll get much out of them. I don't think they have much. They certainly didn't make much money off "The Chronic: Re-Lit." The company is obviously failing.
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this is probably one of the last nails in wideawake's coffin
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if i was dre i'd sue them just for the hell of it. he can afford the best legal representation and at the least cause a lot of hassle/short-term expense to wideawake.
but why should he?
here's why - cause they released some of his unreleased music but mixed it so bad it sounded like some teenager made it in a bedroom. the best example is that doggystyle track. was that a joke or something? shit like that is ultimately damaging to dre's reputation and as we all know, he isn't exactly dropping leftovers on the regular.
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yeah but to be fair, dre has been doing a good job of damaging his reputation all by himself
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yeah but to be fair, dre has been doing a good job of damaging his reputation all by himself
pretty much, but he's still respected enough in the mainstream. pretty sure the overpriced headphones are doing very well. its only certain fans that are annoyed with all the detox delays, iovine string pulling and lack of material/artists getting released.
then there's the argument about if his recent output/musical directions are any good but thats a lot more subjective. and its not like he cares what a few fans think anyway. its all about him doing the music he wants to do and still being respected as a legend in the mainstream.
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Lol. Good luck even getting $75,000 out of Wideawake. They've never made any money with any of their releases. You can't squeeze blood out of a turnip. If they didn't pay Dre his royalties, that is shady on their part. But having said that, let me just say that Dre is such a cry-baby. Why does an artist of his stature even care if some little operation which tried to do something positive with Death Row, re-released his first album with bonus material. They actually honored his "cry-baby clause" and didn't put any new Dre material on there. It's actually his fault that that cd ended up being released as an inferior product. Maybe if he'd allowed them to include his unreleased tracks on there the album would have sold, and consequently, Wideawake might actually have some money for which Dre could try to sue them. As it stands, $75,000 is just a drop in the bucket, compared to what Dre is actually worth. And all he's doing now is kicking a company while they're down.
i'm sure you wouldn't say that if it was about your work
I'm not saying that Dre is wrong. Technically, Dre is in the right. But the whole thing seems very petty to me. This is a company that Dre helped build. He could take some interest in helping it succeed. It's not as though Suge is still at the helm, over there. There's no point in further perpetuating the animosity.
Now, I agree that when they used his material, Dre should have been compensated. All I'm saying is, I don't feel sorry for Dre. Not only did he block them from putting his unreleased tracks on the album as the bonus material (as was originally announced), he did nothing to help promote this release. I'm not saying he needed to go on an elaborate tour or anything too over-the-top. But he probably could have released a statement endorsing the release. By doing nothing, he passively contributed to the project's failure.
Even if he wins this lawsuit, I'm not sure he'll get much out of them. I don't think they have much. They certainly didn't make much money off "The Chronic: Re-Lit." The company is obviously failing.
perhaps Wideawake should have negotiated with Dre, in stead of just talking about it.
sure Dre can do more for his fans, i won't deny that
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this is not necessary at all from dre
it would be good to hear from dre about this but he wont say nada
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Damn that nigga is greedy another sign that detox wont be dropping soon.
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What a bitch. This nigga has his fans waiting 10 years for another album and has the nerve to sue another label for doing something he can't seem to do? Faggot.
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Lol. Good luck even getting $75,000 out of Wideawake. They've never made any money with any of their releases. You can't squeeze blood out of a turnip. If they didn't pay Dre his royalties, that is shady on their part. But having said that, let me just say that Dre is such a cry-baby. Why does an artist of his stature even care if some little operation which tried to do something positive with Death Row, re-released his first album with bonus material. They actually honored his "cry-baby clause" and didn't put any new Dre material on there. It's actually his fault that that cd ended up being released as an inferior product. Maybe if he'd allowed them to include his unreleased tracks on there the album would have sold, and consequently, Wideawake might actually have some money for which Dre could try to sue them. As it stands, $75,000 is just a drop in the bucket, compared to what Dre is actually worth. And all he's doing now is kicking a company while they're down.
hahahaha
they make 10 + 10 + 33 bucks from me on thier 3 releases
but it looks like that's all we're getting
THANK GOD real thugs came out and same with do it again
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yeah but to be fair, dre has been doing a good job of damaging his reputation all by himself
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Lol at waiting til Suge is long gone to sue for 14 years of royalties, what a fucking coward.
that's what i'm thinking. Suge probably owed this nigga millions and now that a Canadian socker mom is in charge he's asking for 75g's? Hilarious
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Lol at waiting til Suge is long gone to sue for 14 years of royalties, what a fucking coward.
that's what i'm thinking. Suge probably owed this nigga millions and now that a Canadian socker mom is in charge he's asking for 75g's? Hilarious
i never even THOUGHT about this side of the story
ur right
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Lol. Good luck even getting $75,000 out of Wideawake. They've never made any money with any of their releases. You can't squeeze blood out of a turnip. If they didn't pay Dre his royalties, that is shady on their part. But having said that, let me just say that Dre is such a cry-baby. Why does an artist of his stature even care if some little operation which tried to do something positive with Death Row, re-released his first album with bonus material. They actually honored his "cry-baby clause" and didn't put any new Dre material on there. It's actually his fault that that cd ended up being released as an inferior product. Maybe if he'd allowed them to include his unreleased tracks on there the album would have sold, and consequently, Wideawake might actually have some money for which Dre could try to sue them. As it stands, $75,000 is just a drop in the bucket, compared to what Dre is actually worth. And all he's doing now is kicking a company while they're down.
i'm sure you wouldn't say that if it was about your work
I'm not saying that Dre is wrong. Technically, Dre is in the right. But the whole thing seems very petty to me. This is a company that Dre helped build. He could take some interest in helping it succeed. It's not as though Suge is still at the helm, over there. There's no point in further perpetuating the animosity.
Now, I agree that when they used his material, Dre should have been compensated. All I'm saying is, I don't feel sorry for Dre. Not only did he block them from putting his unreleased tracks on the album as the bonus material (as was originally announced), he did nothing to help promote this release. I'm not saying he needed to go on an elaborate tour or anything too over-the-top. But he probably could have released a statement endorsing the release. By doing nothing, he passively contributed to the project's failure.
Even if he wins this lawsuit, I'm not sure he'll get much out of them. I don't think they have much. They certainly didn't make much money off "The Chronic: Re-Lit." The company is obviously failing.
perhaps Wideawake should have negotiated with Dre, in stead of just talking about it.
sure Dre can do more for his fans, i won't deny that
Wideawake clearly could have handled this situation better. They promised that the former artists would get payed, and evidently that didn't happen. So they obviously dropped the ball. I just feel like this situation was handled poorly by everyone, and now everyone loses. When Wideawake/Death Row started, it had the potential of being a positive for both the fans and the artists. I think Wideawake had good intentions in the beginning. But it seems like no matter what they did, it never turned out like they had planned. And they should take responsibility for that. But I think it's a shame that some of the former artists that were in a position to help them out, didn't.
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I'm a little confused by the timing of the lawsuit filing. Why do it now? Does anyone know how many copies Re-Lit sold physically and digitally? Obviously, if he's suing for $75,000 minimum he probably knows it made less than that. I would also think that The Chronic generates royalties anytime a song from it gets played on free radio and satellite radio. Something tells me there wouldn't be a lawsuit if Lara Lavi was still involved with WideAwake/Death Row because her main priority was getting the artists paid. John Payne or whoever is running (into the ground) the label must not be sending out those checks.
Could be that Dre is just using this as yet another way to keep his name in the media. Let's face it, we have no Detox but over the past year we have probably heard Dre's name mentioned more often than usual, from Dr. Pepper to Beats by Dre to the partnership with HP, and now this. This lawsuit is free advertising of Dre's name, it's all over the internet mainstream at places like TMZ. Maybe we will se Detox by the end of the year, because Dre sure is doing a lot to make himself visible again. Back to the lawsuit, what are the chances he can put a number on the lost royalties, like in the multi-millions, and say "hey just give me the vault and we'll call it even"?
One last thought on Dre: seeing as how he gets his name out there more and more, I predict the 1st single from Detox dropping by August/September as long as there are now leaks between now and then.
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what if dre is suing W/A for the 75,000 plus for whatever other legalities in order to put the company in a financial bind (more than they are already) so that he can purchase his catalogue and maybe so can other artists
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how long has w/e been doin this for?
why it take dre side so long? lol
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wideawake just started dopping CDs in september
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they started droppin cd's in september....aite i guess a 5 month window
thats bout right...IMO hes doin this outta respect and he feels they disrespected him
wideawake just started dopping CDs in september
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dre's been around iovine so long the jewness is rubbing off on him
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I'm a little confused by the timing of the lawsuit filing. Why do it now? Does anyone know how many copies Re-Lit sold physically and digitally? Obviously, if he's suing for $75,000 minimum he probably knows it made less than that. I would also think that The Chronic generates royalties anytime a song from it gets played on free radio and satellite radio. Something tells me there wouldn't be a lawsuit if Lara Lavi was still involved with WideAwake/Death Row because her main priority was getting the artists paid. John Payne or whoever is running (into the ground) the label must not be sending out those checks.
Could be that Dre is just using this as yet another way to keep his name in the media. Let's face it, we have no Detox but over the past year we have probably heard Dre's name mentioned more often than usual, from Dr. Pepper to Beats by Dre to the partnership with HP, and now this. This lawsuit is free advertising of Dre's name, it's all over the internet mainstream at places like TMZ. Maybe we will se Detox by the end of the year, because Dre sure is doing a lot to make himself visible again. Back to the lawsuit, what are the chances he can put a number on the lost royalties, like in the multi-millions, and say "hey just give me the vault and we'll call it even"?
One last thought on Dre: seeing as how he gets his name out there more and more, I predict the 1st single from Detox dropping by August/September as long as there are now leaks between now and then.
I don't know how accurate it is, but I saw a figure posted on another board, stating that "Chronic: Re-Lit" sold approx. 20,000 units, first week sales. Not sure how many it's sold up to this point. And assuming that 20,000 figure is accurate, I don't know how that would break down between physical copies sold and digital. Suffice to say, it didn't sell enough.
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dre's been around iovine so long the jewness is rubbing off on him
lmao (http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm29/igotwerk/rofllg.gif)
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lol
dre's been around iovine so long the jewness is rubbing off on him
lmao (http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm29/igotwerk/rofllg.gif)
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Lol at waiting til Suge is long gone to sue for 14 years of royalties, what a fucking coward.
that's what i'm thinking. Suge probably owed this nigga millions and now that a Canadian socker mom is in charge he's asking for 75g's? Hilarious
Uh, Lara Lavi, I don't think is in charge anymore and as was previously discussed, Dre sued Death Row many times when Suge was over there. People can say "Dre is greedy" or whatever but money is money. It has very little to do with finances and more to do with just how business is done. Granted, Wideawake are coming from a less negative angle than say, Death Row with the "Dead Man Walking" project, but the fact is they are still using his name and likeness to sell projects he hasn't authorized. In the case, of that Crooked I song, I anticipated that being a problem since they are advertising it like it's a Dr. Dre track when he had nothing to do with it. I mean, it's funny for someone who's not a multi-millionaire to think "Well, Dre has enough money, he doesn't have to sue". But that's not the world and it sure ain't just Dre. I mean, who do you think in their right mind is going to just take an "L" on owed royalties like that?
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thats what im sayin it aint bout the money but moreso shady bidness...
but speak on the dead man walkin album...what happened wit that and dre?
Lol at waiting til Suge is long gone to sue for 14 years of royalties, what a fucking coward.
that's what i'm thinking. Suge probably owed this nigga millions and now that a Canadian socker mom is in charge he's asking for 75g's? Hilarious
Uh, Lara Lavi, I don't think is in charge anymore and as was previously discussed, Dre sued Death Row many times when Suge was over there. People can say "Dre is greedy" or whatever but money is money. It has very little to do with finances and more to do with just how business is done. Granted, Wideawake are coming from a less negative angle than say, Death Row with the "Dead Man Walking" project, but the fact is they are still using his name and likeness to sell projects he hasn't authorized. In the case, of that Crooked I song, I anticipated that being a problem since they are advertising it like it's a Dr. Dre track when he had nothing to do with it. I mean, it's funny for someone who's not a multi-millionaire to think "Well, Dre has enough money, he doesn't have to sue". But that's not the world and it sure ain't just Dre. I mean, who do you think in their right mind is going to just take an "L" on owed royalties like that?
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thats what im sayin it aint bout the money but moreso shady bidness...
but speak on the dead man walkin album...what happened wit that and dre?
It was more about Death Row and Priority. I'm not sure about the whole specifics of contracts and what have you but the labels want the line to be very clear that if you're releasing material that is not authorized by their artist that you don't try to confuse the consumer into believing that it is the brand new album that they are putting together. I mean, for instance, if a casual fan isn't up on the whole specifics of that new Kurupt album and they buy it, they might be lead to believe that Kurupt put it out and is trying to make money by selling songs from older albums again. A lot of consumers don't understand how everything breaks down. For instance, if I was take an old demo of some hot artist that is making millions and tried to put it out under the illusion that it's a new album, that artist's label would probably send "cease and desist" letters and find a way to have it legally blocked from being released. A lot of these albums with old material while not directly endorsed by the labels have probably at least gone through the right legal channels to happen. With "Dead Man Walkin", Priority was really unhappy with Death Row doing it. Their decision to also leak "Tha Last Meal" before it hit store shelves also made matters worse. I believe Dre might have been involved in that suit as well as he was a major contributing producer and also released a public statement saying that for Death Row to leak the album was like "the ultimate act of hating on an artist". I know that for a brief period, Dre wasn't allowed to seek legal action against Death Row as some term in his agreement when he left the company but I think that clause became null and void when he didn't receive proper royalties from them for his work.
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Lol. Good luck even getting $75,000 out of Wideawake. They've never made any money with any of their releases. You can't squeeze blood out of a turnip. If they didn't pay Dre his royalties, that is shady on their part. But having said that, let me just say that Dre is such a cry-baby. Why does an artist of his stature even care if some little operation which tried to do something positive with Death Row, re-released his first album with bonus material. They actually honored his "cry-baby clause" and didn't put any new Dre material on there. It's actually his fault that that cd ended up being released as an inferior product. Maybe if he'd allowed them to include his unreleased tracks on there the album would have sold, and consequently, Wideawake might actually have some money for which Dre could try to sue them. As it stands, $75,000 is just a drop in the bucket, compared to what Dre is actually worth. And all he's doing now is kicking a company while they're down.
i'm sure you wouldn't say that if it was about your work
I'm not saying that Dre is wrong. Technically, Dre is in the right. But the whole thing seems very petty to me. This is a company that Dre helped build. He could take some interest in helping it succeed. It's not as though Suge is still at the helm, over there. There's no point in further perpetuating the animosity.
Now, I agree that when they used his material, Dre should have been compensated. All I'm saying is, I don't feel sorry for Dre. Not only did he block them from putting his unreleased tracks on the album as the bonus material (as was originally announced), he did nothing to help promote this release. I'm not saying he needed to go on an elaborate tour or anything too over-the-top. But he probably could have released a statement endorsing the release. By doing nothing, he passively contributed to the project's failure.
Even if he wins this lawsuit, I'm not sure he'll get much out of them. I don't think they have much. They certainly didn't make much money off "The Chronic: Re-Lit." The company is obviously failing.
perhaps Wideawake should have negotiated with Dre, in stead of just talking about it.
sure Dre can do more for his fans, i won't deny that
Wideawake clearly could have handled this situation better. They promised that the former artists would get payed, and evidently that didn't happen. So they obviously dropped the ball. I just feel like this situation was handled poorly by everyone, and now everyone loses. When Wideawake/Death Row started, it had the potential of being a positive for both the fans and the artists. I think Wideawake had good intentions in the beginning. But it seems like no matter what they did, it never turned out like they had planned. And they should take responsibility for that. But I think it's a shame that some of the former artists that were in a position to help them out, didn't.
true, it all look nice in the beginning.
but it turned out that lara levi was just talking shit when she was a CEO, i mean if she really had great contact with some of the former artists, it would have turned out differently, no?
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I think Lara's heart was in the right place but it sounds like there is/was a lot of internal turmoil over there.
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I think Lara's heart was in the right place but it sounds like there is/was a lot of internal turmoil over there.
I don't think I've ever seen you post in a single thread this much. No complaints though, your posts are interesting to read.
But I'm guessing the Danny Boy, Ladies On DR and the 2Pac albums won't be happening.
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I'm a little confused by the timing of the lawsuit filing. Why do it now? Does anyone know how many copies Re-Lit sold physically and digitally? Obviously, if he's suing for $75,000 minimum he probably knows it made less than that. I would also think that The Chronic generates royalties anytime a song from it gets played on free radio and satellite radio. Something tells me there wouldn't be a lawsuit if Lara Lavi was still involved with WideAwake/Death Row because her main priority was getting the artists paid. John Payne or whoever is running (into the ground) the label must not be sending out those checks.
Could be that Dre is just using this as yet another way to keep his name in the media. Let's face it, we have no Detox but over the past year we have probably heard Dre's name mentioned more often than usual, from Dr. Pepper to Beats by Dre to the partnership with HP, and now this. This lawsuit is free advertising of Dre's name, it's all over the internet mainstream at places like TMZ. Maybe we will se Detox by the end of the year, because Dre sure is doing a lot to make himself visible again. Back to the lawsuit, what are the chances he can put a number on the lost royalties, like in the multi-millions, and say "hey just give me the vault and we'll call it even"?
One last thought on Dre: seeing as how he gets his name out there more and more, I predict the 1st single from Detox dropping by August/September as long as there are now leaks between now and then.
The lawsuit isn't as new as it seems. Pretty soon after Re-Lit was dropped this was filed. I had heard about it then but wasn't aware that the public didn't know about it yet until this news report. Sites can be slow to pick up on shit.
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LMAO @ She Thang exposing herself as a bitch
she never opened her mouth when Suge when in charge, now some paki women running shit she finally opens her mouth
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LMAO @ She Thang exposing herself as a bitch
she never opened her mouth when Suge when in charge, now some paki women running shit she finally opens her mouth
a bitch is a bitch
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Does dre really need 75 000 dollars?.......................
He won't win - The only lawsuit he won against Death Row was about those unreleased tracks that were supposed to drop on Chronic 2000.
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How did he settle on $75,000 when it's been released multiple times and has sold millions of copies in the 18 years its been out?
If it takes 18 years to sue for royalties for your first album and a minimum of 7-8 years to drop an album, does it take him 4 years to throw out a X-Mas Tree? Three years before getting an oil change in his car?
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How did he settle on $75,000 when it's been released multiple times and has sold millions of copies in the 18 years its been out?
If it takes 18 years to sue for royalties for your first album and a minimum of 7-8 years to drop an album, does it take him 4 years to throw out a X-Mas Tree? Three years before getting an oil change in his car?
I hear he's already working on his next son, He'll be in the bed by june, on top by 2011 and then finish up in 12, he'll get her to take the test in Jan of 2014. Dre always wants perfect, he needs to come into the room and have it be like a movie.
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How did he settle on $75,000 when it's been released multiple times and has sold millions of copies in the 18 years its been out?
If it takes 18 years to sue for royalties for your first album and a minimum of 7-8 years to drop an album, does it take him 4 years to throw out a X-Mas Tree? Three years before getting an oil change in his car?
I hear he's already working on his next son, He'll be in the bed by june, on top by 2011 and then finish up in 12, he'll get her to take the test in Jan of 2014. Dre always wants perfect, he needs to come into the room and have it be like a movie.
lmao
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If it takes 18 years to sue for royalties for your first album and a minimum of 7-8 years to drop an album, does it take him 4 years to throw out a X-Mas Tree? Three years before getting an oil change in his car?
I don't think he'd even have a Christmas tree yet. He'd still be in a lot looking for the perfect one.
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lol
If it takes 18 years to sue for royalties for your first album and a minimum of 7-8 years to drop an album, does it take him 4 years to throw out a X-Mas Tree? Three years before getting an oil change in his car?
I don't think he'd even have a Christmas tree yet. He'd still be in a lot looking for the perfect one.
yeah i feel what your sayin....he needs to take his time wit dretox...but focusin on this more than say makin another restless album is sad
xzibit is puttin another album and if it dont sound dope, dre is done
bishop aint there anymore and hes a million ghostwriters....jus make another restless album
thats what im sayin it aint bout the money but moreso shady bidness...
but speak on the dead man walkin album...what happened wit that and dre?
It was more about Death Row and Priority. I'm not sure about the whole specifics of contracts and what have you but the labels want the line to be very clear that if you're releasing material that is not authorized by their artist that you don't try to confuse the consumer into believing that it is the brand new album that they are putting together. I mean, for instance, if a casual fan isn't up on the whole specifics of that new Kurupt album and they buy it, they might be lead to believe that Kurupt put it out and is trying to make money by selling songs from older albums again. A lot of consumers don't understand how everything breaks down. For instance, if I was take an old demo of some hot artist that is making millions and tried to put it out under the illusion that it's a new album, that artist's label would probably send "cease and desist" letters and find a way to have it legally blocked from being released. A lot of these albums with old material while not directly endorsed by the labels have probably at least gone through the right legal channels to happen. With "Dead Man Walkin", Priority was really unhappy with Death Row doing it. Their decision to also leak "Tha Last Meal" before it hit store shelves also made matters worse. I believe Dre might have been involved in that suit as well as he was a major contributing producer and also released a public statement saying that for Death Row to leak the album was like "the ultimate act of hating on an artist". I know that for a brief period, Dre wasn't allowed to seek legal action against Death Row as some term in his agreement when he left the company but I think that clause became null and void when he didn't receive proper royalties from them for his work.
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How did he settle on $75,000 when it's been released multiple times and has sold millions of copies in the 18 years its been out?
If it takes 18 years to sue for royalties for your first album and a minimum of 7-8 years to drop an album, does it take him 4 years to throw out a X-Mas Tree? Three years before getting an oil change in his car?
I hear he's already working on his next son, He'll be in the bed by june, on top by 2011 and then finish up in 12, he'll get her to take the test in Jan of 2014. Dre always wants perfect, he needs to come into the room and have it be like a movie.
hahahahahaha
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If it takes 18 years to sue for royalties for your first album and a minimum of 7-8 years to drop an album, does it take him 4 years to throw out a X-Mas Tree? Three years before getting an oil change in his car?
I don't think he'd even have a Christmas tree yet. He'd still be in a lot looking for the perfect one.
He's probably still doing his Christmas shopping for 2005 right now because he's trying to find the perfect gifts
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Does dre really need 75 000 dollars?.......................
$75,000 is the minimum amount of damages that you need to prove for these kinds of lawsuits. For example, the recent defamation/slander/libel lawsuit that Manny Pacquiao (the boxer) filed against the Mayweathers, De La Hoya and Schaefer was for damages in "excess of $75,000."
Anyway, if Dre is really going after WIDEawake like this, I say they should just say fuck it and release Watch Ya Mouth and any other Dre diss that they have in the arsenal.
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Well lets see this from Dres point of view.
They rereleased your Classic Album, with Songs that had nothing to do with them, they released 1 Chronic song for Free as part of a Contest. They Released Doggystyle, as well as used your name to Promote it. They then released one of the most highly thought after tracks (Next Episode) productions he had made and had another rapper whom he never worked with and had recorded over his and snoops while on the label who gave him the most grief. Then they released something they shouldn't. Natarual born killers.
That song was Chopped, Fuckd up and destroyed beyond repair. Virtually destroying another track he was noted for frequently in the mid 90s. Also still using his name for productions.
Plus out of all this shit you are still not getting compensation, despite the fact you were promised. Also The Dr. Dre interview wasn't even around The Chronic I think it was around 1995 or something like that.
Anyways, maybe that's how he sees it but still Anyone surprised???/ Wideawake dropped the ball on everything with this venture.
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Anyway, if Dre is really going after WIDEawake like this, I say they should just say fuck it and release Watch Ya Mouth and any other Dre diss that they have in the arsenal.
Do you honestly think Dre gives a shit about old diss songs? The guy's been around for over 20 years and has been dissed by just about every rapper imaginable. He's been called gay. There's been people saying he doesn't produce his own shit. Everything that could be said has been said and then endlessly dissected by people on the Internet for years.
Well lets see this from Dres point of view.
They rereleased your Classic Album, with Songs that had nothing to do with them, they released 1 Chronic song for Free as part of a Contest. They Released Doggystyle, as well as used your name to Promote it. They then released one of the most highly thought after tracks (Next Episode) productions he had made and had another rapper whom he never worked with and had recorded over his and snoops while on the label who gave him the most grief. Then they released something they shouldn't. Natarual born killers.
That song was Chopped, Fuckd up and destroyed beyond repair. Virtually destroying another track he was noted for frequently in the mid 90s. Also still using his name for productions.
Plus out of all this shit you are still not getting compensation, despite the fact you were promised. Also The Dr. Dre interview wasn't even around The Chronic I think it was around 1995 or something like that.
Anyways, maybe that's how he sees it but still Anyone surprised???/ Wideawake dropped the ball on everything with this venture.
I think the poor mixing of his production alone would probably be enough to drive him crazy.
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Anyway, if Dre is really going after WIDEawake like this, I say they should just say fuck it and release Watch Ya Mouth and any other Dre diss that they have in the arsenal.
Do you honestly think Dre gives a shit about old diss songs? The guy's been around for over 20 years and has been dissed by just about every rapper imaginable. He's been called gay. There's been people saying he doesn't produce his own shit. Everything that could be said has been said and then endlessly dissected by people on the Internet for years.
Well lets see this from Dres point of view.
They rereleased your Classic Album, with Songs that had nothing to do with them, they released 1 Chronic song for Free as part of a Contest. They Released Doggystyle, as well as used your name to Promote it. They then released one of the most highly thought after tracks (Next Episode) productions he had made and had another rapper whom he never worked with and had recorded over his and snoops while on the label who gave him the most grief. Then they released something they shouldn't. Natarual born killers.
That song was Chopped, Fuckd up and destroyed beyond repair. Virtually destroying another track he was noted for frequently in the mid 90s. Also still using his name for productions.
Plus out of all this shit you are still not getting compensation, despite the fact you were promised. Also The Dr. Dre interview wasn't even around The Chronic I think it was around 1995 or something like that.
Anyways, maybe that's how he sees it but still Anyone surprised???/ Wideawake dropped the ball on everything with this venture.
I think the poor mixing of his production alone would probably be enough to drive him crazy.
Well he is a Perfectionist and seeing as he though the original Next Episode (along with the 1 on 2001) were perfect tracks, it probably pissed him off to see Crooked I actually take his original beat, and put his vocals on a track he thought he was perfect. I'm not saying Crooked I was crappy, but considering it was done without his input he probably couldn't deal with it. I mean if Crooked I had Dre in the booth he'd probably be spitting something else besides his usual Death Row gangsta shit.
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I think it would probably be more to do with the fact that they advertised it as being "produced by Dr. Dre" because I can only imagine that it would drive Dre crazy to have his name on a song he had zero input with. I know that statement might come off as ironic to all the people who think of Dre as being a hack who steals beats from "ghost producers" and takes credit for them but I guess to me, Dre is not as much invested in being strictly instrumental-based as he is constructing songs that are produced thoroughly from vocal arraignments to the way the chorus is performed.
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Anyway, if Dre is really going after WIDEawake like this, I say they should just say fuck it and release Watch Ya Mouth and any other Dre diss that they have in the arsenal.
Do you honestly think Dre gives a shit about old diss songs? The guy's been around for over 20 years and has been dissed by just about every rapper imaginable. He's been called gay. There's been people saying he doesn't produce his own shit. Everything that could be said has been said and then endlessly dissected by people on the Internet for years.
I'm not saying that Dre's feelings would get hurt, but it's been commonly believed that WIDEawake may have been holding back from considering that track for release release due to them trying to build a good relationship with Dre to hopefully get his blessing to put out his Death Row material.
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Maybe but I'd say more than likely they are holding off on releasing it for their preposed Tupac album as they are supposedly contractually limited in how much unreleased Pac material they can release.
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Anyway, if Dre is really going after WIDEawake like this, I say they should just say fuck it and release Watch Ya Mouth and any other Dre diss that they have in the arsenal.
Do you honestly think Dre gives a shit about old diss songs? The guy's been around for over 20 years and has been dissed by just about every rapper imaginable. He's been called gay. There's been people saying he doesn't produce his own shit. Everything that could be said has been said and then endlessly dissected by people on the Internet for years.
Well lets see this from Dres point of view.
They rereleased your Classic Album, with Songs that had nothing to do with them, they released 1 Chronic song for Free as part of a Contest. They Released Doggystyle, as well as used your name to Promote it. They then released one of the most highly thought after tracks (Next Episode) productions he had made and had another rapper whom he never worked with and had recorded over his and snoops while on the label who gave him the most grief. Then they released something they shouldn't. Natarual born killers.
That song was Chopped, Fuckd up and destroyed beyond repair. Virtually destroying another track he was noted for frequently in the mid 90s. Also still using his name for productions.
Plus out of all this shit you are still not getting compensation, despite the fact you were promised. Also The Dr. Dre interview wasn't even around The Chronic I think it was around 1995 or something like that.
Anyways, maybe that's how he sees it but still Anyone surprised???/ Wideawake dropped the ball on everything with this venture.
I think the poor mixing of his production alone would probably be enough to drive him crazy.
Well he is a Perfectionist and seeing as he though the original Next Episode (along with the 1 on 2001) were perfect tracks, it probably pissed him off to see Crooked I actually take his original beat, and put his vocals on a track he thought he was perfect. I'm not saying Crooked I was crappy, but considering it was done without his input he probably couldn't deal with it. I mean if Crooked I had Dre in the booth he'd probably be spitting something else besides his usual Death Row gangsta shit.
Sounded like the looped sample of the Next Episode was put to a stripped vocal layer of a Crooked I freestyle... anybody ask Crooked I about this yet?
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Anyway, if Dre is really going after WIDEawake like this, I say they should just say fuck it and release Watch Ya Mouth and any other Dre diss that they have in the arsenal.
Do you honestly think Dre gives a shit about old diss songs? The guy's been around for over 20 years and has been dissed by just about every rapper imaginable. He's been called gay. There's been people saying he doesn't produce his own shit. Everything that could be said has been said and then endlessly dissected by people on the Internet for years.
I'm not saying that Dre's feelings would get hurt, but it's been commonly believed that WIDEawake may have been holding back from considering that track for release release due to them trying to build a good relationship with Dre to hopefully get his blessing to put out his Death Row material.
that was just talk though
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Anyway, if Dre is really going after WIDEawake like this, I say they should just say fuck it and release Watch Ya Mouth and any other Dre diss that they have in the arsenal.
Do you honestly think Dre gives a shit about old diss songs? The guy's been around for over 20 years and has been dissed by just about every rapper imaginable. He's been called gay. There's been people saying he doesn't produce his own shit. Everything that could be said has been said and then endlessly dissected by people on the Internet for years.
Well lets see this from Dres point of view.
They rereleased your Classic Album, with Songs that had nothing to do with them, they released 1 Chronic song for Free as part of a Contest. They Released Doggystyle, as well as used your name to Promote it. They then released one of the most highly thought after tracks (Next Episode) productions he had made and had another rapper whom he never worked with and had recorded over his and snoops while on the label who gave him the most grief. Then they released something they shouldn't. Natarual born killers.
That song was Chopped, Fuckd up and destroyed beyond repair. Virtually destroying another track he was noted for frequently in the mid 90s. Also still using his name for productions.
Plus out of all this shit you are still not getting compensation, despite the fact you were promised. Also The Dr. Dre interview wasn't even around The Chronic I think it was around 1995 or something like that.
Anyways, maybe that's how he sees it but still Anyone surprised???/ Wideawake dropped the ball on everything with this venture.
I think the poor mixing of his production alone would probably be enough to drive him crazy.
Well he is a Perfectionist and seeing as he though the original Next Episode (along with the 1 on 2001) were perfect tracks, it probably pissed him off to see Crooked I actually take his original beat, and put his vocals on a track he thought he was perfect. I'm not saying Crooked I was crappy, but considering it was done without his input he probably couldn't deal with it. I mean if Crooked I had Dre in the booth he'd probably be spitting something else besides his usual Death Row gangsta shit.
Sounded like the looped sample of the Next Episode was put to a stripped vocal layer of a Crooked I freestyle... anybody ask Crooked I about this yet?
I wouldn't be amazed if this was done for a Audio Weekly and then never got released.
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Anyway, if Dre is really going after WIDEawake like this, I say they should just say fuck it and release Watch Ya Mouth and any other Dre diss that they have in the arsenal.
Do you honestly think Dre gives a shit about old diss songs? The guy's been around for over 20 years and has been dissed by just about every rapper imaginable. He's been called gay. There's been people saying he doesn't produce his own shit. Everything that could be said has been said and then endlessly dissected by people on the Internet for years.
I'm not saying that Dre's feelings would get hurt, but it's been commonly believed that WIDEawake may have been holding back from considering that track for release release due to them trying to build a good relationship with Dre to hopefully get his blessing to put out his Death Row material.
I think you have a good point there. When Lavi was in charge, I think it was doubtful that that track would be released. The whole Wideawake/Death Row operation is basically under a new regime now though. I'm not sure that they care too much, one way or the other. And Dre suing them, probably doesn't do much to change that either. I'm sure at this point, both parties probably feel that the bridge has basically been burned.
It's too bad they couldn't have gotten Dre actively involved in the creative process of the "Chronic: Re-Lit," cd. If he had been on board, maybe they could have asked him to handle the mixing, himself. Then, it obviously would have been done right. The way the statement from Dre's lawyer(s)? is worded, it makes it sound as though Dre wasn't even aware that a new version of "The Chronic" was going to be released though. Which is suspicious, because if he was only recently made aware that "The Chronic: Re-Lit" was out there, who blocked Wideawake/Death Row from releasing Dre's unreleased tracks, to begin with? I still don't really see what the big deal is to him, about that. The not getting paid, I understand. But this obsession with keeping fans from hearing a handful of unreleased songs is ridiculous.
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Anyway, if Dre is really going after WIDEawake like this, I say they should just say fuck it and release Watch Ya Mouth and any other Dre diss that they have in the arsenal.
Do you honestly think Dre gives a shit about old diss songs? The guy's been around for over 20 years and has been dissed by just about every rapper imaginable. He's been called gay. There's been people saying he doesn't produce his own shit. Everything that could be said has been said and then endlessly dissected by people on the Internet for years.
I'm not saying that Dre's feelings would get hurt, but it's been commonly believed that WIDEawake may have been holding back from considering that track for release release due to them trying to build a good relationship with Dre to hopefully get his blessing to put out his Death Row material.
I think you have a good point there. When Lavi was in charge, I think it was doubtful that that track would be released. The whole Wideawake/Death Row operation is basically under a new regime now though. I'm not sure that they care too much, one way or the other. And Dre suing them, probably doesn't do much to change that either. I'm sure at this point, both parties probably feel that the bridge has basically been burned.
It's too bad they couldn't have gotten Dre actively involved in the creative process of the "Chronic: Re-Lit," cd. If he had been on board, maybe they could have asked him to handle the mixing, himself. Then, it obviously would have been done right. The way the statement from Dre's lawyer(s)? is worded, it makes it sound as though Dre wasn't even aware that a new version of "The Chronic" was going to be released though. Which is suspicious, because if he was only recently made aware that "The Chronic: Re-Lit" was out there, who blocked Wideawake/Death Row from releasing Dre's unreleased tracks, to begin with? I still don't really see what the big deal is to him, about that. The not getting paid, I understand. But this obsession with keeping fans from hearing a handful of unreleased songs is ridiculous.
yeah i find that strange myself.
but the blocking is old.
as far as keeping songs in the vault: you already know that Dre is paranoid.
he doesn't want the songs to be out there
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Anyway, if Dre is really going after WIDEawake like this, I say they should just say fuck it and release Watch Ya Mouth and any other Dre diss that they have in the arsenal.
Do you honestly think Dre gives a shit about old diss songs? The guy's been around for over 20 years and has been dissed by just about every rapper imaginable. He's been called gay. There's been people saying he doesn't produce his own shit. Everything that could be said has been said and then endlessly dissected by people on the Internet for years.
I'm not saying that Dre's feelings would get hurt, but it's been commonly believed that WIDEawake may have been holding back from considering that track for release release due to them trying to build a good relationship with Dre to hopefully get his blessing to put out his Death Row material.
I think you have a good point there. When Lavi was in charge, I think it was doubtful that that track would be released. The whole Wideawake/Death Row operation is basically under a new regime now though. I'm not sure that they care too much, one way or the other. And Dre suing them, probably doesn't do much to change that either. I'm sure at this point, both parties probably feel that the bridge has basically been burned.
It's too bad they couldn't have gotten Dre actively involved in the creative process of the "Chronic: Re-Lit," cd. If he had been on board, maybe they could have asked him to handle the mixing, himself. Then, it obviously would have been done right. The way the statement from Dre's lawyer(s)? is worded, it makes it sound as though Dre wasn't even aware that a new version of "The Chronic" was going to be released though. Which is suspicious, because if he was only recently made aware that "The Chronic: Re-Lit" was out there, who blocked Wideawake/Death Row from releasing Dre's unreleased tracks, to begin with? I still don't really see what the big deal is to him, about that. The not getting paid, I understand. But this obsession with keeping fans from hearing a handful of unreleased songs is ridiculous.
yeah i find that strange myself.
but the blocking is old.
as far as keeping songs in the vault: you already know that Dre is paranoid.
he doesn't want the songs to be out there
As far as the first time Death Row tried to release Dre's unreleased DR tracks, I could actually understand where Dre was coming from. Because Suge was actually altering the songs by adding Top Dogg and the other (at the time) contemporary Death Row artists onto the tracks. And he was trying to use them on a compilation called "Chronic 2000," which at the time, is what Dre was calling his "2001" album. So it was obviously just a move on Suge's part to try to screw Dre over and piss him off.
But from the interviews that were being released at the time from Wideawake/Death Row, it sounded as though their intention was to release the songs as they were originally recorded. They even mentioned that some of the songs would only have two verses because that's all that was originally on them. At the time, I didn't think Dre would probably have a problem with that because A. Suge was no longer in charge, and B. The songs would be left untouched. Apparently though, he still did.
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yeah, so either Dre or Lara Levi was lying.
anyway, look at Detox, how many instrumentals did he store?
he's insane
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yeah, so either Dre or Lara Levi was lying.
anyway, look at Detox, how many instrumentals did he store?
he's insane
Look at how many shit from pac is still leaking, after dre dies we must have material enough for atleast 20 years.
Even the unfinished beats could make some dope ass album if they allow other producers to finish them
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yeah but to be fair, dre has been doing a good job of damaging his reputation all by himself
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if i was dre i'd sue them just for the hell of it. he can afford the best legal representation and at the least cause a lot of hassle/short-term expense to wideawake.
but why should he?
here's why - cause they released some of his unreleased music but mixed it so bad it sounded like some teenager made it in a bedroom. the best example is that doggystyle track. was that a joke or something? shit like that is ultimately damaging to dre's reputation and as we all know, he isn't exactly dropping leftovers on the regular.
The only people who check for WideAwake releases are 2Pac groupies and people who enjoy that sound so much that they visit this message board. Only a handful of people even know about WideAwake and its releases. It's not damaging Dr. Dre's reputation one bit.
What is damaging Dre? Himself. Here's why:
What a bitch. This nigga has his fans waiting 10 years for another album and has the nerve to sue another label for doing something he can't seem to do? Faggot.
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yeah, so either Dre or Lara Levi was lying.
anyway, look at Detox, how many instrumentals did he store?
he's insane
Look at how many shit from pac is still leaking, after dre dies we must have material enough for atleast 20 years.
Even the unfinished beats could make some dope ass album if they allow other producers to finish them
Yeah, but that's if we ever get to hear them. No doubt, he has to have a ton of unreleased tracks in the vault. Knowing Dre and how obsessive-compulsive he is, he'll probably put in his Will that he wants all of the copies of his unreleased tracks burned.
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yeah, so either Dre or Lara Levi was lying.
anyway, look at Detox, how many instrumentals did he store?
he's insane
Look at how many shit from pac is still leaking, after dre dies we must have material enough for atleast 20 years.
Even the unfinished beats could make some dope ass album if they allow other producers to finish them
Yeah, but that's if we ever get to hear them. No doubt, he has to have a ton of unreleased tracks in the vault. Knowing Dre and how obsessive-compulsive he is, he'll probably put in his Will that he wants all of the copies of his unreleased tracks burned.
Like Greedy family members give a fuck.
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Anyway, if Dre is really going after WIDEawake like this, I say they should just say fuck it and release Watch Ya Mouth and any other Dre diss that they have in the arsenal.
Do you honestly think Dre gives a shit about old diss songs? The guy's been around for over 20 years and has been dissed by just about every rapper imaginable. He's been called gay. There's been people saying he doesn't produce his own shit. Everything that could be said has been said and then endlessly dissected by people on the Internet for years.
I'm not saying that Dre's feelings would get hurt, but it's been commonly believed that WIDEawake may have been holding back from considering that track for release release due to them trying to build a good relationship with Dre to hopefully get his blessing to put out his Death Row material.
that was just talk though
But anyone with common sense who has been following the WIDEawake situation when Lava held the reins knows that this was more than just a strong likelihood.
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Anyway, if Dre is really going after WIDEawake like this, I say they should just say fuck it and release Watch Ya Mouth and any other Dre diss that they have in the arsenal.
Do you honestly think Dre gives a shit about old diss songs? The guy's been around for over 20 years and has been dissed by just about every rapper imaginable. He's been called gay. There's been people saying he doesn't produce his own shit. Everything that could be said has been said and then endlessly dissected by people on the Internet for years.
I'm not saying that Dre's feelings would get hurt, but it's been commonly believed that WIDEawake may have been holding back from considering that track for release release due to them trying to build a good relationship with Dre to hopefully get his blessing to put out his Death Row material.
that was just talk though
But anyone with common sense who has been following the WIDEawake situation when Lava held the reins knows that this was more than just a strong likelihood.
I agree. When Lara Lavi was in charge, I very much doubt she would have seriously considered releasing that track. For whatever her faults, I think she was sincere in wanting to rebuild relationships with the former artists who had been burned by the original Death Row. It's just good business sense anyway. You gain a lot more from generating good will between people than you do from making enemies. Unfortunately, Suge didn't seem to understand that.
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I agree. When Lara Lavi was in charge, I very much doubt she would have seriously considered releasing that track. For whatever her faults, I think she was sincere in wanting to rebuild relationships with the former artists who had been burned by the original Death Row. It's just good business sense anyway. You gain a lot more from generating good will between people than you do from making enemies. Unfortunately, Suge didn't seem to understand that.
Also a good point. I understand where Suge's head was at initially, but the intimidation bullshit worked so well for him for so long (throughout the entirety of Death Row's reign and during his first few years in prison) that he couldn't get himself to take a different approach to dealing with past affiliates who broke ties from him and the label. While a couple of those who jumped ship did so like bitches, most of them were tight-lipped or tried to leave on a good note. On both Kurupt's and Snoop's first non-Death Row albums, they both gave shout-outs to Suge/Death Row in their thank you's in the album liner notes, plus Daz even stuck with the label for longer than anyone else on the original roster.
One thing I never understood was why Suge was always try to front like he had no animosity toward anyone. Just watch his appearances on Jimmy Kimmel Live (where he was drunk) and on whatever show it was with D.L. Hughley. In one interview, while he threw tiny shots at Snoop, he was at least saying that he "wanted" people to like Snoop (because he still gets money off of him), and in the other, he was talking about how he was "proud" of Dre. He's a really bad liar, and it looks like without George Price, Death Row's PR just went down the drain since no one really ever says anything properly.
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fuck a Dr. Dre who cares. this board needs a Dr. Dre section. all these Dr. Dre threads n shit. Dre's not even WestCoast anymore, Dre's been on the EastCoast for almost 10 years now (excluding Eminem in the MidWest)/ we need to put this negga in tha outbound section 4real
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Dre probably don't wanna see his legacy go the way of Pac's. Some shit isn't released for a reason and we know that Dre is a perfectionist. We all can agree that some of the those stored Pac songs that got released weren't all that great and even worse were some of those that were remixed or re-done (Loyal To the Game).
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Dre probably don't wanna see his legacy go the way of Pac's. Some shit isn't released for a reason and we know that Dre is a perfectionist. We all can agree that some of the those stored Pac songs that got released weren't all that great and even worse were some of those that were remixed or re-done (Loyal To the Game).
i say 90% of them were dope in original form.....maybe even higher.
r u still down was proper
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DRE is a PUSSY!
That foo probably regret's leaving Ruthless Records, fucken fag!
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^^^what's your problem
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yeah but to be fair, dre has been doing a good job of damaging his reputation all by himself
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how could i be so stupid? of course dr dre is just as respected as he was 5 or 6 years ago, thanks for enlightening me mr european who gets all his rap info from the internet
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Dre probably don't wanna see his legacy go the way of Pac's. Some shit isn't released for a reason and we know that Dre is a perfectionist. We all can agree that some of the those stored Pac songs that got released weren't all that great and even worse were some of those that were remixed or re-done (Loyal To the Game).
That doesn't necessarily apply in this case. The reason why Pac's legacy (in terms of posthumous releases) dwindled was because the music aspect of his Estate was run by a bunch of idiots who had no understanding of marketing, much less the sense of hearing. The beats were remixed, and original artists were often replaced, typically by the Outlawz (who get boring really easily while not having the same talent that they had in in '90s) or whichever non-Pac affiliated rappers they felt were good, though more often than not they ended up being B-list rappers. While Death Row was toying with Dre's unreleased material by throwing other artists on there, they were coming out as different Death Row songs, as opposed to some butchered Dr. Dre song featuring whoever. WIDEawake had been emphasizing the fact that they wanted to leave the music alone, so it's not like they were going to put out some Big Hutch Remix of whatever unreleased Dre joint featuring Realest and Petey Pablo or something ridiculous.
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^^^what's your problem
he lives in 1992
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That foo probably regret's leaving Ruthless Records, fucken fag!
Is this supposed to be a joke?
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DRE is a PUSSY!
That foo probably regret's leaving Ruthless Records, fucken fag!
No, I'm sure he doesn't. I bet you do though, fuckin queer.
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Dre ain't no number 1 producer. Nobody looks for him outside of the West, and the West has a handful of rappers who are known nationally. Dre didn't release a single album last decade, nobody outside of the West Coast really even cares and a lot of fans don't even know who he is...Dre hid from an entire generation of fans. The only ones who look are people on this forum, some people in the West, and that's it. He could've produced Eastwood, Ya Boy, Crooked I, or someone in the last 12 years on the West's album.
He's bitter towards Death Row because they own that album and he was upset they used it to promote the re-launch of the label. He only wants his name tied to the new "Detox" if it drops in 5 years. People look for other producers, not saying I'm a fan of them, but Mannie Fresh, Pharrell, Timbaland, T-Pain, Akon, Scott Storch, and Swizz Beatz to name a few, all get phone calls long before Dre. Not releasing any music is the lamest thing I've ever seen and then trying to block a release that made no money and was basically a few leftovers for the fans thrown on, is even lamer. Dre hasn't released that the digital download age is in full effect and should be happy even if people are bootlegging it to have it played in anyone's stereo.
He should have been releasing a second album since "Dre 2001" instead it's all been lawsuits and bitterness that people are downloading now. Again, nobody is checking for him and he's afraid his album will get bootlegged to shit and he lost a generation of fans. If anything, he should be happy someone cares to play his music it's so old.
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If anything, he should be happy someone cares to play his music it's so old.
That's some of the most stupid shit i've ever read on this forum.
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Love 33,midwestryder and radiotube aka flaka stylez go down as the dumbest posters of all time on this forum
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DRE is a PUSSY!
That foo probably regret's leaving Ruthless Records, fucken fag!
rofl
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Dre probably don't wanna see his legacy go the way of Pac's. Some shit isn't released for a reason and we know that Dre is a perfectionist. We all can agree that some of the those stored Pac songs that got released weren't all that great and even worse were some of those that were remixed or re-done (Loyal To the Game).
you know what the difference is? even if those FEW tracks were put out, Dre is still around and can still control the future of his legacy..pac couldnt. But nah, it seems Dre doesnt wanna do that, he just wants to sit on music that wont ever see the light of day, and release a minimal amount that he finds presentable. Ill laugh the day all the current shit he has in the vault is leaked, and "fucks up his legacy"..
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If anything, he should be happy someone cares to play his music it's so old.
That's some of the most stupid shit i've ever read on this forum.
You should read some of his other posts. His idea to bring the West back was to have all the L.A. rappers migrate to Miami and make club music.
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If anything, he should be happy someone cares to play his music it's so old.
That's some of the most stupid shit i've ever read on this forum.
You should read some of his other posts. His idea to bring the West back was to have all the L.A. rappers migrate to Miami and make club music.
HAHAHA!!!!
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I said Crooked I should consider Miami rather than trying to sell to his 300 people on this forum. Jim Jones, Fabolous, Diddy, Cool & Dre, Scott Storch, Rick Ross, Flo Rida, Mannie Fresh, Lil Wayne, Juelz Santana, The Dream, Trick Daddy, 2 Pistolz, Ace Hood, Ryan Leslie, Trey Songz, T-Pain, LL Cool J, and a grip of others have residences there or frequent there regularly. Why wouldn't he want to expand his networking opportunities or any other artist who has talent but is rotting in the West due to a lack of promotion, album releases, etc.3
Knoc'Turnal, Eastwood, Ya Boy, and Crook are the four west rappers who have mad talent and could network with all those artists. Even Snoop's first single was a Miami-influenced beat "Gangsta Luv" with The Dream. Who wouldn't want to get Diddy to work with them and LL and many of the others above to get their music in people's cars allover and the club scene in Miami is the best party scene in the country that's why all these cats live there now.
Those guys in Miami don't care about Dre, they respect him, but they aren't stopping their lives to wait for him.
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I said Crooked I should consider Miami rather than trying to sell to his 300 people on this forum. Jim Jones, Fabolous, Diddy, Cool & Dre, Scott Storch, Rick Ross, Flo Rida, Mannie Fresh, Lil Wayne, Juelz Santana, The Dream, Trick Daddy, 2 Pistolz, Ace Hood, Ryan Leslie, Trey Songz, T-Pain, LL Cool J, and a grip of others have residences there or frequent there regularly. Why wouldn't he want to expand his networking opportunities or any other artist who has talent but is rotting in the West due to a lack of promotion, album releases, etc.3
Knoc'Turnal, Eastwood, Ya Boy, and Crook are the four west rappers who have mad talent and could network with all those artists. Even Snoop's first single was a Miami-influenced beat "Gangsta Luv" with The Dream. Who wouldn't want to get Diddy to work with them and LL and many of the others above to get their music in people's cars allover and the club scene in Miami is the best party scene in the country that's why all these cats live there now.
Those guys in Miami don't care about Dre, they respect him, but they aren't stopping their lives to wait for him.
EVERY and I mean EVERY rapper would kick jim jonsin in the face the minute dre offers his service
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It gets down to common sense. We're in the digital age of mixtapes and free downloading, no person is going to wait 12 years for an album or 2 years for a beat. Take some notes and look how Dre ruined Bishop Lamont's career by putting him in purgatory and not releasing any of his shit (same thing Suge did with Crooked I). One thing Suge & Dre have in common is that they both don't release anything. Dre messed up Truth Hurtz career when they stole that sample, he couldn't get Hittman or Rakim's album out and pissed them off, Busta couldn't get another album released after "The Big Bang" was one of his worst. Just take a look at the late 2000's and forget the 90's for a minute. Dre and Suge operate like it's the 90's and they both think that releasing one album every 3 years is going to cut it after the artist gets no exposure. Meanwhile, in the digital era, these cats are dropping mad free tracks to promote themselves, jumping on other artist's tracks, and releasing mixtapes. Dre hardly ever clears his artists for guest appearances. I love "The Chronic" and "Doggystyle" like anyone else, but this was 18 years ago. And too much of the West is waiting for him to drop this album thinking it's going to save an entire coast which has been shutdown except for a handful of artists like Game & E-40 for the last 10 years. If Dre would have made 2 tracks a year, this album would have 20 tracks ready to go. He can't make 2 good tracks a year? Crook said it perfectly on the Slaughterhouse single "Move on Westcoast."
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Where to start with you, love33.
I said Crooked I should consider Miami rather than trying to sell to his 300 people on this forum. Jim Jones, Fabolous, Diddy, Cool & Dre, Scott Storch, Rick Ross, Flo Rida, Mannie Fresh, Lil Wayne, Juelz Santana, The Dream, Trick Daddy, 2 Pistolz, Ace Hood, Ryan Leslie, Trey Songz, T-Pain, LL Cool J, and a grip of others have residences there or frequent there regularly. Why wouldn't he want to expand his networking opportunities or any other artist who has talent but is rotting in the West due to a lack of promotion, album releases, etc.3
So rappers from California should move their operation to Miami because of the great "networking opportunies"? That's like taking something out of the freezer and putting in the fridge because you want it to be ice cold. Millions of artists also reside or frequate in California. What's your point? You're actually trying to argue that lack of promotion and album releases is a geographical issue? Like an L.A. rapper is suddenly gonna make street date because he hangs out at Cabana One. Cut the shit! Also, one name that is convienetly absent from your list of major out-of-town rappers who are heavy in the Miami scene is Fat Joe. Wonder why that is.
I'm not knocking Miami as a networking opportunity. I just don't view it as some career-saving "holy grail" like you do. Obviously, moving around and networking is crucial to any artist that wants to move past regional status but when talking about California as a region, it should be noted that unlike, say, Louisana or Delaware, it does have the benefit of being where the majority of the fucking industry resides. That to me is why I can't help but laugh when you act like being based out of California is damaging to one's career. Yes, L.A. rap music is not selling at the moment but L.A. rappers who network in Miami aren't instantly recognized as something different anyway.
It gets down to common sense. We're in the digital age of mixtapes and free downloading, no person is going to wait 12 years for an album or 2 years for a beat.
Well, contrary to what you may think. People have been waiting that long for Detox and they still are. It's still a topic of conversation and will continue to be. Granted, people are more than a little irritated with the wait but they are still talking about it.
Take some notes and look how Dre ruined Bishop Lamont's career by putting him in purgatory.
How exactly? I mean, it's a lovely theory but what do you have outside of heresay? And how is his career ruined exactly? He had a nice bit of buzz generated from working with Dre that didn't pan into something bigger. Dissapointing but hardly the death nail in his career. Is he more well-known now than he was before he signed on with Dre? Yes.
One thing Suge & Dre have in common is that they both don't release anything.
Aftermath put out two albums last year. One of them was almost entirely produced by Dre.
Dre messed up Truth Hurtz career when they stole that sample.
Dre didn't produce the album. I doubt he was personally in charge of going through the legal channels to have the sample cleared. The label fucked up but what can you do?
he couldn't get Hittman or Rakim's album out and pissed them off
Rakim's album was never done. How does one get an album out that is not completed? As for Hittman, are we still talking about the digital era of downloads and mixtapes or are we actually talking about the era when Hittman was on Aftermath? The era where instead of dropping that album, they put out Eminem's second solo which went diamond. I mean, if Hitt was that huge, shouldn't he have wound up doing some pretty big business when he left?
Busta couldn't get another album released after "The Big Bang" was one of his worst.
Big Bang was his first #1 album in the States and his highest-selling album in the UK. How exactly is this one of his worst? The last one he put out did about 250,000 after more than six months where "Bang" did over 200,000 in its first week. Busta has gone on record as saying it was differences with Jimmy Iovine that had him leaving Interscope.
Just take a look at the late 2000's and forget the 90's for a minute.
Why is it strictly the 90's or the late 2000's? How about that whole middle point called the first five or six years of the 2000's where Dre helped launched Eminem, 50 Cent, and The Game, selling millions of records with each? I mean, it's not like an Aftermath artist had the #1 selling hip-hop album of last year, now is it?
I love "The Chronic" and "Doggystyle" like anyone else, but this was 18 years ago.
That's swell and all but "2001" was 10 years ago and "Documentary" was about 5. I'm guessing Eminem and 50's sales don't count because not only are they outside of Cali but they don't happen to reside in Miami.
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damn as always jimmy real talk
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Where to start with you, love33.
That's swell and all but "2001" was 10 years ago and "Documentary" was about 5
What's your point? You're actually trying to argue that lack of promotion and album releases is a geographical issue?
First of all, I know your a Euro-teenie, but in our country here The biggest market is New York, first of all. Second of all, rap doesn't exist left of St. Louis right now, so pull out your map of the U.S. and shade it in black left of St. Louis because nobody in Florida or New York or Chicago or Atlanta is listening to any of the shit going on in Los Angeles right now minus a Snoop Dogg, E-40, or Game track here and there. (You would know this if you lived here)
Second, all those artists from NY including Fat Joe that I named above are all running around in Miami so it's a great hub to network and Mannie Fresh is there (who has produced more hit records than Dr. Dre) and Cool & Dre (who Game loves to work with), Scott Storch, T-Pain frequents there (the king of the hooks), and yeah, Fat Joe had a hit record with "Aloha" which was allover the radio and clubs in Miami and New York. Fat Joe also has gone platinum (JOSE) unlike Bishop, or any of those other cats you are strokin who cant even sell gold on their best effort. The amount of talent there is endless to make music with faces people actually listen to (sorry Bishop Lamont). Lil Wayne, the top selling rapper in the game, LL Cool J, resides in Miami as well.
Third, talking about Eminem (Detroit) and 50's (New York) songs have nothing to do with "Dre solo albums." how Dre and Storch co-produced a few tracks on "The Documentary" doesn't count as a "Dre album" lol. Swizz Beatz was on there and Cool & Dre did the biggest track "Hate It Or Love It" and "Put You On The Game" was a Timbaland track so where you come off calling that a "Dre allbum" is my guess is maybe you weren't able to buy it over there to see the credits? Dre has 2 solo albums and his last release was in 1999 and his first one was in 1992.
FYI, Dre & Jimmy wouldnt even agree to release Busta's new album so he walked out, Hittman left on bad terms with no album, Rakim had shit recorded but Dre didn't think it was up to his 12 year standard, Truth Hurtz was a flop, and Bishop Lamont lost the best years of his career with no album because (pull out your map again) Interscope put their energy into rap music east of the Mississippi.
Finally, you never had an answer for what's gone on in the late 2000's...you said Bishop Lamont's career is better now because he's more well known? Well, my friend, if you mentioned Bishop Lamont to rap fans in Florida or New York you would get laughed at because nobody listens to that shit!
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First of all, I know your a Euro-teenie.
Nope. I'm from Boston, which last I checked was not in Europe. I'm also closer to 30 than I am to being a teenager. Both of which are irrelvant. If I was seven and lived in Kuwait, would it make any information I stated less valid?
Second of all, rap doesn't exist left of St. Louis right now, so pull out your map of the U.S. and shade it in black left of St. Louis because nobody in Florida or New York or Chicago or Atlanta is listening to any of the shit going on in Los Angeles right now minus a Snoop Dogg, E-40, or Game track here and there. (You would know this if you lived here)
That will just be your little secret there. If West Coast music does not exist, why are you here on the boards again?
Second, all those artists from NY including Fat Joe that I named above are all running around in Miami so it's a great hub to network and Mannie Fresh is there (who has produced more hit records than Dr. Dre) and Cool & Dre (who Game loves to work with), Scott Storch, T-Pain frequents there (the king of the hooks), and yeah, Fat Joe had a hit record with "Aloha" which was allover the radio and clubs in Miami and New York. Fat Joe also has gone platinum (JOSE) unlike Bishop, or any of those other cats you are strokin who cant even sell gold on their best effort. The amount of talent there is endless to make music with faces people actually listen to (sorry Bishop Lamont). Lil Wayne, the top selling rapper in the game, LL Cool J, resides in Miami as well.
That's actually "third" but I'm with you. I never said Miami was not a great networking hub. In fact, I agree with you on that statement. What I'm trying to explain to you is New York and Los Angeles are also giant networking regions. Yes, lots of mainstream artists go out there to expand their audience. Where I'm arguing is that you can't seem to distinguish between already-established artists from other regions going out there to build a bigger audience and new artists from said regions going there to break their careers. I'd used Joe as an example because he's one of the more major out-of-towners doing business out there and his last album flopped. He was still as a much a victim of industry politics and bullshit as any of these other artists. That's my point. Lots of major succesful artists fuck with Miami. We know. They also reside in Los Angeles. There's also a lot of cats who network in these places whose careers don't get off the ground. The music industry is vicious and no amount of talent is a guarantee for success.
Third, talking about Eminem (Detroit) and 50's (New York) songs have nothing to do with "Dre solo albums."
Last I checked Doggystyle wasn't a "Dre solo album" either.
how Dre and Storch co-produced a few tracks on "The Documentary" doesn't count as a "Dre album" lol. Swizz Beatz was on there and Cool & Dre did the biggest track "Hate It Or Love It" and "Put You On The Game" was a Timbaland track so where you come off calling that a "Dre allbum" is my guess is maybe you weren't able to buy it over there to see the credits?
You might be on to something. I must have bought a different version of "Documentary" where I live because I don't see Swizz Beatz in the production credits for "Documentary". Which song did he produce again?
As for Dre's involvement? Game was not being promoted as the new artist under Timbaland or Cool & Dre, now was he? This promotion was built around him being "Dre's new protege from Compton". Hence, the low-rider photo shoot with he and Dre in Compton. His first XXL cover was him as part of Dre's Aftermath crew. All of the label's attempts at jump-off singles were produced by Dr. Dre. Outside of the Internet, nearly nobody had heard anything but the Dre-produced singles until the project was physically released.
And since you're still milking this brilliant "I live in Europe" theory of yours, where exactly do you think I could live out there where I wouldn't be able to buy "The Documentary"?
Dre has 2 solo albums and his last release was in 1999 and his first one was in 1992.
Dr. Dre is a producer. Yes, he also occasionally works as an artist but his bread & butter is producing. His artistic and creative value isn't based on his solo projects. It's based on his track record as a producer. Allow me to pose this question: Would you rather have Dre's paychecks from his NWA Days to 1999 or from 2000-now?
FYI, Dre & Jimmy wouldnt even agree to release Busta's new album so he walked out.
That's not how it's been reported. That's not how Busta himself explains it. What's your source on this?
Hittman left on bad terms with no album.
Again, according to who? Hittman got to leave with his album. Despite this, I've still heard very little from him in terms of new projects or interviews. I did read an interview around 2004 or 2005 where he made no mention of leaving on bad terms.
Rakim had shit recorded but Dre didn't think it was up to his 12 year standard.
Well, welcome to the industry, my friend. Did you think Bad Boy releases projects that don't meet Puffy's standards? And since we're talk about rappers "east of St. Louis", why is Rakim in this conversation? If I bring up 50 or Eminem, it's not about that but suddenly, Rakim doesn't qualify. Isn't he from New York or do special circumstances exist here because Dre didn't make him a millionaire?
Bishop Lamont lost the best years of his career with no album because (pull out your map again) Interscope put their energy into rap music east of the Mississippi.
Interscope put their money where the buzz was. If it was all just some geographical issue, why did Rakim not go instead of Game? Why did 50 Cent go before Obie Trice? Why is Cashis on Shady Records still and Obie isn't? Record labels put their money on the artists they think will make them the most return on their investment. It's not just Jimmy Iovine and Dr. Dre sitting in some fucking room, saying "Who should we release from the label and who should we make a star?". Iovine has teams of executives and P.R. people who research what resonates with consumers and what doesn't. I'm not saying this is a perfect way to run business and like all companies, they fuck up from time to time, but it's not like they just look up the artist's region on a map and say, "Well, he's from Passadena. We're gonna have to drop him."
Finally, you never had an answer for what's gone on in the late 2000's...
I'm pretty sure I mentioned this little thing about the #1-selling rap album from last year being produced by Dre's label.
you said Bishop Lamont's career is better now because he's more well known? Well, my friend, if you mentioned Bishop Lamont to rap fans in Florida or New York you would get laughed at because nobody listens to that shit!
I guess it would depend entirely on who I asked, now wouldn't it? Generally speaking though, if someone laughs at an artist's name, it would suggest that it's either a really funny name or they are FAMILIAR with the artist. For instance, if I were to tell people I listened to Soulja Boy, they might laugh. If he was an artist that was less known, they would just look at me funny and ask who he was. Either way, it would depend entirely on the taste of the person in question or are you trying to imply that you are so all-knowing that you now what every rap listener on the East Coast listens to?
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DRE is a PUSSY!
That foo probably regret's leaving Ruthless Records, fucken fag!
yeah i bet he does.and he wants to put all the millions heīs earned since then into jerry hellerīs pockets. heīs so sorry he signed snoop, dogg pound, eminem and was part in numerous albums that have changed not just rap but music history in the last two decades since his stupid decision to leave a label that wasnīt giving him what he thought he deserved. i bet heīs crying his eyes out every night. and eazy would be still hating dre and making diss songs, "real mothafuckin gīz part 531" would be released next month. stupid dre, stupid stupid stupid dre.
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DRE is a PUSSY!
That foo probably regret's leaving Ruthless Records, fucken fag!
yeah i bet he does.and he wants to put all the millions heīs earned since then into jerry hellerīs pockets. heīs so sorry he signed snoop, dogg pound, eminem and was part in numerous albums that have changed not just rap but music history in the last two decades since his stupid decision to leave a label that wasnīt giving him what he thought he deserved. i bet heīs crying his eyes out every night. and eazy would be still hating dre and making diss songs, "real mothafuckin gīz part 531" would be released next month. stupid dre, stupid stupid stupid dre.
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anyway, that conversation between Jimmy H & love33 is funny ;D
i've got to give credit to love33 for trying :laugh:
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Mannie Fresh is there (who has produced more hit records than Dr. Dre)
LMAO
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is there another mannie fresh besides the one that was down wit cash money?
as dope as mannie is......he wont come close to dretox level of anythin.....be easy doggs
Mannie Fresh is there (who has produced more hit records than Dr. Dre)
LMAO
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Mannie Fresh is there (who has produced more hit records than Dr. Dre)
LMAO
You know as much as love33 is an idiot Im sure if you looked at their careers fresh probably does have more hits sadly.Hes not a new producer hes been around for a long time now.
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Mannie Fresh is there (who has produced more hit records than Dr. Dre)
LMAO
You know as much as love33 is an idiot Im sure if you looked at their careers fresh probably does have more hits sadly.Hes not a new producer hes been around for a long time now.
I really doubt it.
Some small Cash Money Hits & T.I's Do it is all I could find.
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Mannie Fresh is there (who has produced more hit records than Dr. Dre)
LMAO
You know as much as love33 is an idiot Im sure if you looked at their careers fresh probably does have more hits sadly.Hes not a new producer hes been around for a long time now.
I really doubt it.
Some small Cash Money Hits & T.I's Do it is all I could find.
The guy produced every single cashmoney song up until hje left,and to say they were small hits is absurd.just off the top of my head,bling bling,back dat azz up,go dj,cash money is an army,ha,still fly,hood rich,get your roll on,i need a hot girl,on fire,tha block is hot, the list goes on and on for hits fro cash money,he produced all of them.They reguarly went multi platinum.
As for other people off the top of my head he did big things poppin for ti,diamonds for slim thug,top back and front to back for ti,and then what for young jeezy
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Mannie Fresh is there (who has produced more hit records than Dr. Dre)
LMAO
You know as much as love33 is an idiot Im sure if you looked at their careers fresh probably does have more hits sadly.Hes not a new producer hes been around for a long time now.
I really doubt it.
Some small Cash Money Hits & T.I's Do it is all I could find.
The guy produced every single cashmoney song up until hje left,and to say they were small hits is absurd.just off the top of my head,bling bling,back dat azz up,go dj,cash money is an army,ha,still fly,hood rich,get your roll on,i need a hot girl,on fire,tha block is hot, the list goes on and on for hits fro cash money,he produced all of them.They reguarly went multi platinum.
As for other people off the top of my head he did big things poppin for ti,diamonds for slim thug,top back and front to back for ti,and then what for young jeezy
If we're talking just sales isn't dre the obvious victor?
But when actually talking top 40 singles in the us dre takes it easily
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I wouldnt say obvious,Id say theres a good chance mannie fresh has him beat on both accounts though it could go either way.Cash money wasnt some small label,almost all their albums went multi platinum and mannie fresh produced every single song from them.Mannie has probably produced more songs in total then dre as well.
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sean puffy combs, jermaine dupri, swizz beatz, the neptunes, timbaland, mannie fresh ALL produced way more hits than Dr. Dre, yes
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I wouldnt say obvious,Id say theres a good chance mannie fresh has him beat on both accounts though it could go either way.Cash money wasnt some small label,almost all their albums went multi platinum and mannie fresh produced every single song from them.Mannie has probably produced more songs in total then dre as well.
i would definitely say more songs but i dont know about hits
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sean puffy combs, jermaine dupri, swizz beatz, the neptunes, timbaland, mannie fresh ALL produced way more hits than Dr. Dre, yes
Exactly! There's too many hometown people on this board who don't look at music unbiased or neutral but instead "i'm cheerleading for the home team like basketball," Mannie Fresh has 15 years of hit records with multiple albums and Jermaine Dupri is still cashing checks for that Kris Kross money. The South is way bigger and more popular now, the West ruled the 90's but a lot of people are cheerleading in this thread for Dre even though the facts are there he's been passed up. And nobody down South really cares.
Dre is a classic producer but he wasnt even producing all the hits on Death Row. Suge even said it was Daz, Johnny J, Blacqtobin, DJ Quik, Kurt Kobaine, Soopafly, J-Flexx, and many others.
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damn but up against dre wit all the work hes done?
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sean puffy combs, jermaine dupri, swizz beatz, the neptunes, timbaland, mannie fresh ALL produced way more hits than Dr. Dre, yes
Exactly! There's too many hometown people on this board who don't look at music unbiased or neutral but instead "i'm cheerleading for the home team like basketball," Mannie Fresh has 15 years of hit records with multiple albums and Jermaine Dupri is still cashing checks for that Kris Kross money. The South is way bigger and more popular now, the West ruled the 90's but a lot of people are cheerleading in this thread for Dre even though the facts are there he's been passed up. And nobody down South really cares.
Dre is a classic producer but he wasnt even producing all the hits on Death Row. Suge even said it was Daz, Johnny J, Blacqtobin, DJ Quik, Kurt Kobaine, Soopafly, J-Flexx, and many others.
Suge also said there was a second Hit 'Em Up dissing Snoop and that Dre told him wanted to be white. He's hardly a reliable source when it comes to Dre. Quik, even when he was not cool with Dre, never ever mentioned him stealing his beats and Kurt Kobaine was not on the label at the same time. Johnny J? When? That's great that Mannie has nearly 15 years of hits. Dre's been doing it for over 25. It's not about hits to me. It's about consistency. What is the shelf life like on some of these hit records? I count one hit Kriss Kross record and they were pretty established as a flavor of the month music trend. You can look at the stars Dre introduced to the game and the majority of them are still relevant today. I mean, Snoop, Eminem, Ice Cube. They're all still out there. Dupri might have a Bow Wow or Da Brat but does anyone even still remember some of his more recent artists. Are we talking about J. Kwon or Bone Crusher like we do Game or 50? I'll give JD and Puffy credit for longevity but as it is, they both came out about 5 or so years after Dre and bit into his sound when it was the hot thing out. Bottom line. The man is still relevant. Maybe other producers are churning out more hits at this moment but the fact that the guy is still important with a career that spans four seperate decades is a testamant to why he is still loved.