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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: Jaydc on March 23, 2010, 02:59:56 PM
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I was over at Buddens forum and the ceo of ad has said joe owes them money and wont turn in his album and that he owes another album after that.Joey is saying the label has refused shadys buyout of his contract and wont release him.Hes also saying E1 and ad have been making deals behind the scenes trying to prevent slaughterhouse from leaving to shady.Joell ortiz has tweeted about E1 saying they want him to start beefs with other rappers to create a buzz for his album and a bunch of other non sense.Crooked I has also tweeted about the situation.
These guys just cant seem to catch a break it seems.It seemed like a done deal going to shady but these labels are trying to block it from happening.Check out buddens forum they have links to all the stuff going on and comments from Joe etc.
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Yup...damn shame
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Cant say im suprised but they should be able to come to some agreement where slaughterhouse can go to Shady but the individual artists stay on there label.
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damn what kind of deal did joe sign? lol
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I heard differently:
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http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/4034/39481853.jpg
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I heard differently:
http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/3047/54190739.jpg
http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/4034/39481853.jpg
And Joey responed to that saying that dude is lying & that lawyers are doing their job... so before anything is said officially we can only guess what the truth is.
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It seems like he said she said at this point.I tend to believe what Joe is saying a little bit more then that guy.Joe responded to that with this..
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i’m wide awake so i’ll try my best 2 help some of u guys out while i’m bored….
first of all, 2 fully understand the dude, you’d have 2 know him, he’s a little off in the way he thinks, which i am also, but just 2 try & hint at what i’m talking about.. he believes he’s part of some illuminati shit & can control the president’s moves w/ 1 phone call (sounds wild, right ??)
cliff note version – dude wanted 2 sign SH, didn’t happen…
i signed a 2 album deal after PR, 1 digital, 1 physical w/ a 140k advance all in… 80 2 be paid up front, 60 4 them to hold 2 pay producers, mixing, etc..
said contract was 2 pages… 1 being the actual contract, 1 being the sheet 2 sign….
SH signs 2 E1..
dude then calls E1 & my lawyer saying that i’m not legally allowed 2 do that album becuz i’m signed 2 him in an exclusive capacity & sends over a contract the size of a book with my signature, stating all types of crazy ass shit… they’re in charge of my merchandise, publishing, etc, & its a 3 album deal…
i claim i didn’t sign that bullshit & there will be no ER until this matter is cleared up…
he calls 2 beg 4 ER & in exchange will clear me 2 record the SH album while we clear everything up (only way this could be done considering bith ER & the SH album were way behind schedule becuz of all this)
he puts out ER on the same date as SH (seems small, but dude had already been threatening Royce & Joell’s managers w/ dropping a Budden project in close proximity 2 anything they do, which no1 wanted naturally)
E1 wants 2 re sign SH, but here comes Shady (E1 signed us 2 a 1 album deal which every1 in the industry called them fools 4 doing)
Next then goes & cuts some deal w/ Alan (E1), what that deal included no1 really knows 4 sure, but they got a shitload of $ under the promise they’d be able 2 deliver Budden product,( remember, E1 wants Budden desperately)..
so now a hard copy of ER comes out 2 every1’s surprise & is doing great generating A LOT of $ that i haven’t seen a dime of, along with PR HH & MM royalties…
i decide i’m not handing in GE (2 E1 who’s expecting it becuz thats what they paid Amalgam 4 basically) until Amalgam has absolutely nothing 2 do w/ Budden…
keep in mind, when i did try 2 hand GE 2 amalgam, i told them they needed 2 start paying these producers w/ that other 60 b4 we start losing records (this is back when we were trying to “clear” everything up).. they said hell no, i better pay them from the 80k i got, the 60 aint movin til the albums out….
i also offered 2 pay them, in full, 140k 2 remove themselves from any situation of mine, didn’t happen… E1 offered them 200k 2 do the same, i was told “dude is crazy, he’s coming back w/ astronomical #’s, he desperately wants 2 be a part of)….
so now E1 is supposedly trying to buy that contract from them, but E1 also wants to keep that exclusivity part in there 2 have some control over the SH/Shady deal…. Shady offered a buy out, they didn’t take it, Shady offered an over ride (which they’re negotiating now 2 my knowledge)….
bottomline… Amalgam forged a contract, probably cuz they knew their piece of shit company would fall immediately once i left, but thats me guessing, who really knows why… so that, along w/ E1 trying their best 2 keep SH, is holding things up a tad bit….
take what u will outta that, i tried my best 2 help clarify without disclosing everything….
& PS… if any of u have ever bought a car… Tahiry is leasing hers 4 $500 a month, which i put the down payment on (4K)… since when did u ever need 80k 2 even buy a car ?? *jordanshrug*
but yeah… dude is a real piece of shit.
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Like I said I tend to believe what Joes saying more so then them.Considering theyve released two albums with budden already and everything seemed fine,then shady shows interest in slaughterhouse and all of a sudden everything goes south.And with crooked I and Joell backing up what joey is saying it seems obvious the dude is talking out of his ass.They were afriad of losing joey since lets face it hes the only person of note on their label so their playing games with hm trying to fuck him over.
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Like I said I tend to believe what Joes saying more so then them.Considering theyve released two albums with budden already and everything seemed fine,then shady shows interest in slaughterhouse and all of a sudden everything goes south.And with crooked I and Joell backing up what joey is saying it seems obvious the dude is talking out of his ass.They were afriad of losing joey since lets face it hes the only person of note on their label so their playing games with hm trying to fuck him over.
you got a link to the topic on joe's forum?
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http://joebuddentv.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71075
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lol @ & PS… if any of u have ever bought a car… Tahiry is leasing hers 4 $500 a month, which i put the down payment on (4K)… since when did u ever need 80k 2 even buy a car ?? *jordanshrug*
hes made some bad decisions with females and contracts...lol
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Hey curious guys, I was over at the Budden forum for the first time right now and noticed three things: They hate Crook! ;D The design of the site makes my eyes hurt! And they don't seem as clever and sophisticated as the fine members of DubCC!
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Yeah they hate crook with a passion I dont know why.I guess they jsut hate that somoene outshines joey on every song lol.
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joey prolly hates it also...lol
Yeah they hate crook with a passion I dont know why.I guess they jsut hate that somoene outshines joey on every song lol.
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it's all fucked up that's for sure
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Cant say im suprised but they should be able to come to some agreement where slaughterhouse can go to Shady but the individual artists stay on there label.
the Slaughterhouse record deal....was it a 1 or 2 album deal? i want to say it was a one and done deal....but maybe it was for two.
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If Em really wanted to do a deal with Slaughterhouse, it would be done by now - dude has massive paper. I think Em's only prepared to pay so much for them
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Cant say im suprised but they should be able to come to some agreement where slaughterhouse can go to Shady but the individual artists stay on there label.
the Slaughterhouse record deal....was it a 1 or 2 album deal? i want to say it was a one and done deal....but maybe it was for two.
1 album but E1 is probably trying to be part of the deal..just like Amalgam
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If Em really wanted to do a deal with Slaughterhouse, it would be done by now - dude has massive paper. I think Em's only prepared to pay so much for them
I think you're right. While I'm sure he's interested in signing him, I think Em is probably weighing out how much to spend on signing them against what the actual chance is that they'll be commercially successful. While as a fan, I'd love to see this deal happen, Eminem has to approach it from a business perspective. I thought the first Slaughterhouse album was dope, but it didn't exactly set the world on fire, sales-wise. While I'm sure a Shady Records-released Slaughterhouse album would be promoted much better and thus probably selll much better, I think Eminem is probably considering what amount he's willing to spend on signing them is an amount he can actually recoup if or when they drop their next album.
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why would Eminem go all out in signing them though?
it's not like he'd be spending a fortune to make a fortune; he'd just be spending his cash on something that will lose him money in the end, but the music will be great.
it would be more of a move for the fans than smart business decision; yeah, Slaughterhouse would do better with Shady (likely Dre) back/support, but how much better?
i can't say it would flop, but i can't see it doing really good unless Eminem was on every single song lol.
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If Em really wanted to do a deal with Slaughterhouse, it would be done by now - dude has massive paper. I think Em's only prepared to pay so much for them
I think you're right. While I'm sure he's interested in signing him, I think Em is probably weighing out how much to spend on signing them against what the actual chance is that they'll be commercially successful. While as a fan, I'd love to see this deal happen, Eminem has to approach it from a business perspective. I thought the first Slaughterhouse album was dope, but it didn't exactly set the world on fire, sales-wise. While I'm sure a Shady Records-released Slaughterhouse album would be promoted much better and thus probably selll much better, I think Eminem is probably considering what amount he's willing to spend on signing them is an amount he can actually recoup if or when they drop their next album.
Completely agree with you man - Em can not expect them to go platinum first week out, even if he was featured on every track. While SH has dope lyrics and i think they're one of the best rap groups to come out for a while, I can't see them ever coming up with a mainstream hit to really get them out there, even with Em featured.
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I personally would really like to see some solos from them on shady aswell, i think budden especially would really benefit from a push from eminem and some production help not to mention mixing.
Plus crooked and joell!! we already know what eminem and royce is capable of!
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An easy solution to this problem. Drop this fag Joe Budden from the group an add pharoahe monch or Bun-B to the group and there good.....
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Yepp looks like Joey is the BOZO Joell was referring to.
http://www.mediatakeout.com/2010/39696-more_trickin_rappers_rapper_joe_budden_reportedly_stole_money_from_his_label___to_buy_his_ex_tahiry_a_new_benz____and_then_she_dumped_him.html
Hope Tahiry's pussy was worth losing out on a million dollar deal.
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Yepp looks like Joey is the BOZO Joell was referring to.
http://www.mediatakeout.com/2010/39696-more_trickin_rappers_rapper_joe_budden_reportedly_stole_money_from_his_label___to_buy_his_ex_tahiry_a_new_benz____and_then_she_dumped_him.html
Hope Tahiry's pussy was worth losing out on a million dollar deal.
This has been discussed... & Joey's response is posted in this thread. Before lawyers have finished this thing, no one knows who's telling the truth. Mediatakeout is like the last site to stole these "news" from jbtv.com it's all over the net now.. thisis50 & all that.
And to that dude saying drop Joey.. it's not only because of Joey's deal, it's also because of Joell's deal. And no matter how much some people hate Budden.. without him Slaughterhouse wouldn't even exist. So show some respect ;)
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An easy solution to this problem. Drop this fag Joe Budden from the group an add pharoahe monch or Bun-B to the group and there good.....
They don't really fit with the group tho.
R.A. comes to mind now
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r.a.?
no bun in this group...p.monch or a ras kass
An easy solution to this problem. Drop this fag Joe Budden from the group an add pharoahe monch or Bun-B to the group and there good.....
They don't really fit with the group tho.
R.A. comes to mind now
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r.a.?
no bun in this group...p.monch or a ras kass
An easy solution to this problem. Drop this fag Joe Budden from the group an add pharoahe monch or Bun-B to the group and there good.....
They don't really fit with the group tho.
R.A. comes to mind now
you don't see him in there?
Ras kass maybe
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which r.a. are you talkin about tho
not bun-b he wont fit wit their style...and they are much better than bun
ras kass maybe and some others
r.a.?
no bun in this group...p.monch or a ras kass
An easy solution to this problem. Drop this fag Joe Budden from the group an add pharoahe monch or Bun-B to the group and there good.....
They don't really fit with the group tho.
R.A. comes to mind now
you don't see him in there?
Ras kass maybe
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the rugged man
which r.a. are you talkin about tho
not bun-b he wont fit wit their style...and they are much better than bun
ras kass maybe and some others
r.a.?
no bun in this group...p.monch or a ras kass
An easy solution to this problem. Drop this fag Joe Budden from the group an add pharoahe monch or Bun-B to the group and there good.....
They don't really fit with the group tho.
R.A. comes to mind now
you don't see him in there?
Ras kass maybe
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yeah i figured you were talkin about him...but i dont think that would work good wit the group they have...hes got his own style that wont fit wit them....p.monch would prolly be too good...lol ras kass is more the fit...and im thinkin of more
the rugged man
which r.a. are you talkin about tho
not bun-b he wont fit wit their style...and they are much better than bun
ras kass maybe and some others
r.a.?
no bun in this group...p.monch or a ras kass
An easy solution to this problem. Drop this fag Joe Budden from the group an add pharoahe monch or Bun-B to the group and there good.....
They don't really fit with the group tho.
R.A. comes to mind now
you don't see him in there?
Ras kass maybe
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pharoahe monch is on tour with slaughter house. I got tickets for their Toronto concert April 8th or 9th...
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Speaking of Slaughterhouse...
http://usershare.net/dd7boa5sum5z
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Speaking of Slaughterhouse...
http://usershare.net/dd7boa5sum5z
this shit is dope. 8)
but is it just me or did most of you guys shit on their first album anyway, with comments like, "their verses were randomly put together" & the greatest excuse for hating i've ever heard, "their production was wack"?
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Speaking of Slaughterhouse...
http://usershare.net/dd7boa5sum5z
this shit is dope. 8)
but is it just me or did most of you guys shit on their first album anyway, with comments like, "their verses were randomly put together" & the greatest excuse for hating i've ever heard, "their production was wack"?
were in the era where its cool to hate...cmon brah
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alotta dukes were hatin but at the same time there were high expectations for a group with one of the dopest rappers and 3 of.....close to bein the dope rappers on it but it wasnt as dope as many expected...lol
Speaking of Slaughterhouse...
http://usershare.net/dd7boa5sum5z
this shit is dope. 8)
but is it just me or did most of you guys shit on their first album anyway, with comments like, "their verses were randomly put together" & the greatest excuse for hating i've ever heard, "their production was wack"?
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How can you drop the man that created the group?
Y'all ain't listening right if you think Budden's wack or poor.
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Y'all ain't listening right if you think Budden's wack or poor.
that's what i'm sayin'.
yeah, he came up a bit short on the Slaughterhouse album; but his solo shit is off the chains & personally, his verse on Microphone was the shit. 8)
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Speaking of Slaughterhouse...
http://usershare.net/dd7boa5sum5z
this shit is dope. 8)
but is it just me or did most of you guys shit on their first album anyway, with comments like, "their verses were randomly put together" & the greatest excuse for hating i've ever heard, "their production was wack"?
the production was wack and i would of said it regardless of who was rapping on it. no hate just opinion
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the production did feel just scrapped up but the lyrics are what made the first album
i still keep atleast 5 tracks from the first album in rotation
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I loved the production I dont know whats wrong with yours guys ears.Oh sorry bundy it aint that genric 808 gucci mane shit ;)
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if Microphone isn't one of your favorite beats of '09, i don't know what to tell you lol.
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I don't know how people can be disappointed with the album, I mean what's the mark of a good album to me, is I hear it once and like it and then it has great replay value and this does. Sure it might not go down as a classic, but who the hell cares, it might not be timeless but it's damn good to listen to and is a middle finger up to so many albums which just try and act a certain way. This was just 4 very talented rappers dropping witty, quotable rhymes with a verve and a passion and if you can't accept that, then that's your loss.
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I don't know how people can be disappointed with the album, I mean what's the mark of a good album to me, is I hear it once and like it and then it has great replay value and this does. Sure it might not go down as a classic, but who the hell cares, it might not be timeless but it's damn good to listen to and is a middle finger up to so many albums which just try and act a certain way. This was just 4 very talented rappers dropping witty, quotable rhymes with a verve and a passion and if you can't accept that, then that's your loss.
+1 8)
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I don't know how people can be disappointed with the album, I mean what's the mark of a good album to me, is I hear it once and like it and then it has great replay value and this does. Sure it might not go down as a classic, but who the hell cares, it might not be timeless but it's damn good to listen to and is a middle finger up to so many albums which just try and act a certain way. This was just 4 very talented rappers dropping witty, quotable rhymes with a verve and a passion and if you can't accept that, then that's your loss.
i swear though, it's people who don't want to hear it.
when this group formed & people were like "oh shit, four of the best in the game!"; then it was like "it is the four best in the game in the same group" & people just don't want to hear it.
they take it as disrespect to their favorite rapper or who they think is the best; people just get EXTRA nit-picky when judging them.
for example, "production is wack; therefore, Slaughterhouse put out an 'average' album." lol.
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the album had great moments like microphone and a couple of others,but it ain't no shit that sticc with you,from this group of mc's you'd think you'd be left with something historic,but bottom line nothing on it was, yeah lyrics in bunches but where were the great concepts? and execution? you need all that to make a classic, but you got muthafuccas today who say i like it so it's a classic hahaha get the fucc outta here, the potential for them to make a classic is everytime they step in the booth they have that much talent,but making one is another thing and people expected that from them, and no matter what anyone says when you have a group of lyricist on this level you gonna put em and their project up against a classic group and album, yell
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Oh sorry bundy it aint that genric 808 gucci mane shit ;)
here we go again ::)
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Oh sorry bundy it aint that genric 808 gucci mane shit ;)
here we go again ::)
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Has very minimal replay value for me but Microphone is the shit. Still gets regular play from me and 1 or 2 others get play now and again. For real though, the production lets the album down. Oh and I think Pharoahe would fit in nicely into the group.
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alotta dukes were hatin but at the same time there were high expectations for a group with one of the dopest rappers and 3 of.....close to bein the dope rappers on it but it wasnt as dope as many expected...lol
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I liked the production I dont get what you people were expecting.Me personally I didnt listen to slaughterhouse for the production I listened to them for the lyrics and they didnt let me down.If you want production go listen to rick ross and gucci mane.The beats did the job,minimalistic and allowed the lyrics to be the star of the album instead of the beats.
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Kind OT, does anybody have the SlaughterHouse Remix of that song "Money On the Floor" in cdq? Emphasis on cdq.
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I liked the production I dont get what you people were expecting.Me personally I didnt listen to slaughterhouse for the production I listened to them for the lyrics and they didnt let me down.If you want production go listen to rick ross and gucci mane.The beats did the job,minimalistic and allowed the lyrics to be the star of the album instead of the beats.
that's what i've been saying.
why are people so critial on the beats when you're listening to arguably four of the best lyrical rappers in Hip Hop?
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If your listening to slaughterhouse for the production your listening for the wrong fucking reason.
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When the group formed people werent going oh man i cant to hear the production!!!lulz.The hype was around the lyrics.
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they were but if the production was crazy...they'd still be talkin about.....hence the hype dyin down months ago....lol
When the group formed people werent going oh man i cant to hear the production!!!lulz.The hype was around the lyrics.
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i still would like to get an explanation on which beats were weak lol.
it's not even like i'm saying, "yeah, yeah, the production was wack; but whatever, they're lyricists".
i think the production is on point for their styles; the thought that the production "severely" hurt the album just leaves me scratching my head lol.
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I liked the production I dont get what you people were expecting.Me personally I didnt listen to slaughterhouse for the production I listened to them for the lyrics and they didnt let me down.If you want production go listen to rick ross and gucci mane.The beats did the job,minimalistic and allowed the lyrics to be the star of the album instead of the beats.
rap isn't all about the lyrics. yes it does play an important roll but seriously if the beat sucks then you're probably not going to finish listening to the song.
if nas recorded illmatic over some beats made on a toy keyboard i bet you wouldn't consider it a classic anymore
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cham dukes were expectin some instant classic str8 murderin mc's type shit from both the prodcution and lyrics cuz you have
4 dope rappers....3 of which have already been called legends at times...lol...so many were expectin some mind blowin ether type shit...wasnt that but the album is dope and better than 92.3% of whats out there....even right now
i still would like to get an explanation on which beats were weak lol.
it's not even like i'm saying, "yeah, yeah, the production was wack; but whatever, they're lyricists".
i think the production is on point for their styles; the thought that the production "severely" hurt the album just leaves me scratching my head lol.
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of course my karma goes down because i'm not praising this album ::)
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im not snitchin...but it wasnt me.....lol...the album should have been much better.....beyond overhyped before and after...and the album was a letdown...not a huge letdown but a lil big letdown....lol
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This is true,but the album didnt contain cheap toy keyboard beats.Whats wrong with sound off or lyrical murderes or microphone or the one or onslaught 2 etc.I didnt find any beats on the album to sound cheap or be whack.They might not be timbaland and dr dre beats but they sounded good to me and served their purpose,they played the background and let the lyrics be the star of the album.They minimal because otherwise they would overshadow the stars.Which is fine for a young jeezy or drake or 3 6 mafia to have bigger production because nobody listens to them for their lyrics because they suck lyrically they need the beats to be the star.And as far as illmatic,the beats served their purpose,nas was the star of the show.Its like when Jay z stans say nas doesnt have good enough beats,well jay z needs those beats because he really isnt that great as an emcee compared to nas.
And get your walk on,in this day age with mixtapes coming out every fucking day its hard to dwell on album,well unless your in the westcoast section and stuck in the past,discussing the chronic album for the one billionth time.
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good point about the nas/jay-z example.....but this album and this group had so much hype you'd think the lyrics and the production would be the best since the last time the best was released....it wasnt that...and the lyrics were better than the production IMO but still it could have been better cuz you have 4 dope rappers/mc's etc.....so you except alot from them...it aint not 3-6....or whatever like you said...so alot was expected...but its still dope than whats out there....not what the hype equals too tho
some of the best joints didnt make the album...that hurt the album a bit also
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People need to stop expecting the world from every single release and just enjoy it for what it is.You dont listen to young jeezy and gucci mane and complain about the lyrics.Your not listening to them for lyrics your listening to them for the beats and just something to thrown on and not think about it.If your listening to slaughterhouse your listening to it for the lyrics and punchlines etc your not listening to it for the beats.The beats on slaughterhouse are not as bad as gucci manes lyrics are.So when I throw on the album the beats become secondary.I listen to here the hot shit their spitting.And vice versa for the jeezys of this world.In a percect world they would have a huge budget and would eb able to afford the best beats possible and in a perfect world the beats people like rick ross get wouldnt be wasted on a bum ass rapper.Like I said if your listening to slaughterhouse for the beats your listening for the wrong reason.Its the equivalent of me listening to gucci for the lyrics.
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it dont matter jay....joe, and royce can afford dope producers...jus like the dope producers that made beats that didnt make the album....dope produciton and dope lyrics is required from a group like this....not 1 or the other...and thats what many were expectin
if joel and crooked cant afford....but joe and royce cant...they been in the game for decades....shit so has crooked...lol
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dope produciton and dope lyrics is required from a group like this....not 1 or the other...and thats what many were expectin
true
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But i thought the lyrics and production were both dope.I didnt think the album had a single weak beat on it.Buty people have just huge expecations of every release these that nobody is ever fucking satisfied.Its like we cant even have classics anymore because everyone is so fucking nitpicky about everything.Nothing is never good enough for people these days they always want something better.
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nah but with this release its different.....very differnet again cuz of the LYRICAL MURDERERS that are in the group....this aint a everyday project or a project that will happen every year....so when it does happen it has to happen right...and it didnt
the production was cool but nuthin bangin, insane, or fire all the way thru
the lyrics was cool but nuthin fire, crazy, or amazin all the way thru
but again many were thinkin damn these dukes comin together is instant classic....it wasnt and it was below what they could have at least done...they could have at least dropped a better album....but they didnt...they dropped some of the best songs....OFF THE ALBUM...lol
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But i thought the lyrics and production were both dope.I didnt think the album had a single weak beat on it.Buty people have just huge expecations of every release these that nobody is ever fucking satisfied.Its like we cant even have classics anymore because everyone is so fucking nitpicky about everything.Nothing is never good enough for people these days they always want something better.
the way i saw it was like you have this group of guys who are all talented (and most of them have been in the game for a long time), but for whatever reason never had the appeal to be succesful in the industry. so on their own they couldnt get their shit together to do a great album because of industry politics or whatever, but together they could pull their resources and make that happen, the shit they had been trying to do for years on their own. so i figured they would take that oppurtunity and really come with something that stood the test of time. but when it came out i didnt think they were succesful with that
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http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/qRfnnLaU8fU&feature=fvwhttp://www.youtube.com/watch/v/qfV602zA-Pghttp://www.youtube.com/watch/v/rogvlB2SP4k&feature=related
three songs off classic albums, no denying that; but what's so special about these beats? i can hear these being hated on in 2010, easily lol.
i'm not trying to say Slaughterhouse was a classic album by any strech of the imagination; but to say it was ruined by weak production & then classics from the 90's had these, nothing special, beats; not that they're shit beats either, but "super duper, makes the song what it is, classic production"? i think not.
again, before people jump on it, not trying to take anything away from these songs or their classic albums, but really..tell me these beats are "top notch" amazing.
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cham maybe for that time they could be classic...but with slaughterhouse and the hype...alot more was expected...alot more
might be even worse if they get slim to do beats for them....lol
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http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/qRfnnLaU8fU&feature=fvwhttp://www.youtube.com/watch/v/qfV602zA-Pghttp://www.youtube.com/watch/v/rogvlB2SP4k&feature=related
three songs off classic albums, no denying that; but what's so special about these beats? i can hear these being hated on in 2010, easily lol.
i'm not trying to say Slaughterhouse was a classic album by any strech of the imagination; but to say it was ruined by weak production & then classics from the 90's had these, nothing special, beats; not that they're shit beats either, but "super duper, makes the song what it is, classic production"? i think not.
again, before people jump on it, not trying to take anything away from these songs or their classic albums, but really..tell me these beats are "top notch" amazing.
well paid in full was from like 86 hahaha, of course the beats werent going to sound great to kids nowadays. and knucklheadz is simple but if youve heard that out of a good system its dope as fuck. but yeah everyday struggle's beat is nothin special
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cham maybe for that time they could be classic...but with slaughterhouse and the hype...alot more was expected...alot more
might be even worse if they get slim to do beats for them....lol
i can't lie, i expected some more too; after hearing "Move On", i was expecting some ridiculous shit.
& yeah, a few songs do sound a little thrown together with just verses together; songs with no direction.
but lyrically, it was top notch; i can't even call out one of them for a weak verse throughout the album.
i'm not trying to come across as, "this is a classic. it was perfect. the fuck is wrong with the rest of you?"; but moreso this is an above average album, awesome lyrically & since nobody can really shit on it lyrically, people jump all over the beats? kind of gay. :P
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aite g...i dont mean this in a bad or a way of hatred...but i think its cuz your a big fan of them especially joe budden...so nah your not biased but your a fan ;)
but the album was in the same bucket as a letdown..huge, and yeah it was actually a huge letdown cuz many expected some earthquake type shit from these 4...especially crooked, and then royce and then joe...who at times were sayin hes the best rapper alive....they were cham...not sayin he isnt but the best rapper alive should have made a monsterous album with 3 other dope rappers...but it didnt come out that way
cham maybe for that time they could be classic...but with slaughterhouse and the hype...alot more was expected...alot more
might be even worse if they get slim to do beats for them....lol
i can't lie, i expected some more too; after hearing "Move On", i was expecting some ridiculous shit.
& yeah, a few songs do sound a little thrown together with just verses together; songs with no direction.
but lyrically, it was top notch; i can't even call out one of them for a weak verse throughout the album.
i'm not trying to come across as, "this is a classic. it was perfect. the fuck is wrong with the rest of you?"; but moreso this is an above average album, awesome lyrically & since nobody can really shit on it lyrically, people jump all over the beats? kind of gay. :P
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http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/qRfnnLaU8fU&feature=fvwhttp://www.youtube.com/watch/v/qfV602zA-Pghttp://www.youtube.com/watch/v/rogvlB2SP4k&feature=related
three songs off classic albums, no denying that; but what's so special about these beats? i can hear these being hated on in 2010, easily lol.
i'm not trying to say Slaughterhouse was a classic album by any strech of the imagination; but to say it was ruined by weak production & then classics from the 90's had these, nothing special, beats; not that they're shit beats either, but "super duper, makes the song what it is, classic production"? i think not.
again, before people jump on it, not trying to take anything away from these songs or their classic albums, but really..tell me these beats are "top notch" amazing.
well paid in full was from like 86 hahaha, of course the beats werent going to sound great to kids nowadays. and knucklheadz is simple but if youve heard that out of a good system its dope as fuck. but yeah everyday struggle's beat is nothin special
lolll, i feel you; but these are the albums the game was "built" on; i always hear these albums are so very classic because of their "impact" on the game; you would just assume that since they were so essential to Hip Hop's take off the production should be on another planet lol.
believe me, i'm fully aware times & trends & sounds change through eras & such; but if we are so quick to run & label these classic, when the production is "alright", why are we so quick to say "blahhh album, production was awful" & toss an album like Slaughterhouse aside?
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lolll, i feel you; but these are the albums the game was "built" on; i always hear these albums are so very classic because of their "impact" on the game; you would just assume that since they were so essential to Hip Hop's take off the production should be on another planet lol.
believe me, i'm fully aware times & trends & sounds change through eras & such; but if we are so quick to run & label these classic, when the production is "alright", why are we so quick to say "blahhh album, production was awful" & toss an album like Slaughterhouse aside?
man if it came out in the 80's you cant even judge it like shit from the 90's and beyond. and i dont mean just as far as trends, the equipment and everything they were working with was nowhere near like it was just a few years later. and like i said knuckleheadz is dope as fuck to me out of a good system, its not just allright. and well to be honest biggie is overrated to begin with
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aite g...i dont mean this in a bad or a way of hatred...but i think its cuz your a big fan of them especially joe budden...so nah your not biased but your a fan ;)
but the album was in the same bucket as a letdown..huge, and yeah it was actually a huge letdown cuz many expected some earthquake type shit from these 4...especially crooked, and then royce and then joe...who at times were sayin hes the best rapper alive....they were cham...not sayin he isnt but the best rapper alive should have made a monsterous album with 3 other dope rappers...but it didnt come out that way
cham maybe for that time they could be classic...but with slaughterhouse and the hype...alot more was expected...alot more
might be even worse if they get slim to do beats for them....lol
i can't lie, i expected some more too; after hearing "Move On", i was expecting some ridiculous shit.
& yeah, a few songs do sound a little thrown together with just verses together; songs with no direction.
but lyrically, it was top notch; i can't even call out one of them for a weak verse throughout the album.
i'm not trying to come across as, "this is a classic. it was perfect. the fuck is wrong with the rest of you?"; but moreso this is an above average album, awesome lyrically & since nobody can really shit on it lyrically, people jump all over the beats? kind of gay. :P
Joe was the worst on the album, i can't front; but somebody had to be the worst, right?
& yeah, one of the first things i said when i first heard they were dropping an album & then after hearing "Move On" was, "this will be a classic album" & it wasn't; so i guess it was a letdown in that respect, but it was still strong enough for me, where i was happy with it & will without a doubt anticipate their sophmore LP.
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lolll, i feel you; but these are the albums the game was "built" on; i always hear these albums are so very classic because of their "impact" on the game; you would just assume that since they were so essential to Hip Hop's take off the production should be on another planet lol.
believe me, i'm fully aware times & trends & sounds change through eras & such; but if we are so quick to run & label these classic, when the production is "alright", why are we so quick to say "blahhh album, production was awful" & toss an album like Slaughterhouse aside?
man if it came out in the 80's you cant even judge it like shit from the 90's and beyond. and i dont mean just as far as trends, the equipment and everything they were working with was nowhere near like it was just a few years later. and like i said knuckleheadz is dope as fuck to me out of a good system, its not just allright. and well to be honest biggie is overrated to begin with
i guess, but Paid In Full is still considered a "classic Hip Hop album"; i understand it was ahead of it's time, but if you compare it to the classics of the 90's is it still a classic?
i guess we just disagree on Kunckleheadz; but we do agree Biggie is overrated to begin with. ;D 8)
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oh damn your from the east and you sayin biggie is overrated....damn well good lookin cuz not jus him but hes one of the most overrated of all time...whats so special about him? lol
but the album was cool nuthin instant classic about it...not dope all the way thru....nuthin on that level...is it better than whats out there....yeah but still it should have been miles better
you say your lookin forward to their 2nd album....who isnt? lol but what they usually say about your first album...you cant outdo or whatever it is they say...
jus like rakim's album....now of course rakim is considered to be the greatest rapper of all time..and decades later he finally releases a album...but damn one of the biggest letdowns of all time...both on lyrics and production and especially production
same here....you know when to expect alot from who and we expected alot from all these....and dukes was sayin damn this sh album will be instant classic....lol....nowhere near
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Dope album? Yes.
Classic? No.
Production? Good
Lyrics? Dope but in some ways lacking considering the members of the group
There's a lot of untapped potential that the group could do.
- Because there are 4 member they could easily do a ghetto opera/play with each of them voicing different characters.
- Even as an introduction album for the masses it was poor. You don't get a great sense of each of the individual personalities - only Joe Budden. Hell they should have 3 other skits for the other 3 members. Yes, I know they're established underground but you can never predict what random person will happen upon the group and as their debut it should have been factored it.
- Addtionally, you could have each of them repping a different ghetto and talking about similarities and distinctions between each hood's music. With that reflected in both lyrics and beats. For example, Crooked - a g-funk track; joell - classic boom-bap; royce - j-dilla/black milk soul production; joe budden - east coast grimey shit.
The weakest point in the production was the single which I still wince at when I hear it. It's just not them.
And, that's my problem with the album. Because you got a cat like Royce who can make a track like A Part of Me and then a cat like Joell who can make a track like Move On and another cat like Crooked who can freestyle his ass off and Joey B who brings real shit - some pure essence was still missing.
The closest I hear is move on remix. Followed with Salute, Cut You Loose & Raindrops.
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i'm a little biased, because i'm a Pac fan so it's always like "fuck Biggie" & then people always give me shit "how you not going to support Biggie? he's from NY & shit"; but if you look through the music, they aren't comparable lol.
i think that feeds to my dislike of Biggie.
Pac's got more material in one year than Biggie has in his career.
i mean, you can play the "hypothetical" game & say Biggie would of dropped more classic shit or whatever; but Pac has four classic albums in my mind & Biggie has one with like a controversial second.
Biggie was good, real good; but Pac was just hands down better. 8)
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i think Slaughterhouse hurt themselves by dropping some of their better music as random internet leaks.
add "Move On", "Warriors", "Woodstock", "Wack MC's", "Fight Club"..i'm definatley forgetting another one; but add those to the album & maybe it would get a different reaction.
anyway, Action, i thought of something similar to what you said months ago about them doing a track where they bring in their coasts & shit.
i think their first album was something they wanted to get out & it came out great; but i think their second album will outdo the first because they are close with their online fanbases & i know more people than just you & me are dropping the idea of them doing a track about their coasts & that goes for any good idea one of their fans have.
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Note, I appreciate that they got a product OUT but am sad that the hype they did have is probably going to the dust because of fucking label politics.
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To me the album was a solid 8 out of 10.I dont feel their was a weak verse on the album nor a weak song in general.They definitely could have benefited from taking longer on the album.And move remix almost made peopls expectations so high for the album that no matter what they dropped they couldnt succeed that way.Althought I still say joeys verse on move on was garbage,that hero from heros line makes cringe its so bad.But his verse on microphone,cuckoo and onslaught 2 were sick.That line about fucknig a chicking on the rag with a towel underneat and call it soo woop kills me verytime lol.For theri second album I would love to see them take their time and have someone overlook the album such eminem and give it a more cohesive feel.
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cham we can agree on 1 thing...pac bein better than biggie... ;)
but yeah this album very rushed and not all good all the way thru....give it a 6.5 outta 10
action made some interestin points and basically what im sayin....and like you said cham...those traxx were the best, but they were left off
and the one....bad single and bad song period along with a few others...but why that song as a single and why that song for a song by them? lol
some albums i like more than this
gza ...pro tools
epmd..we mean business
prolly krs one and buckshot survival skills
la coka nostra....a brand you can trust
jus a few albums i was feelin more than the sh...album but the sh had very high expectations for real and other albums you werent expectin as much as they suprised
another let down was la coka nostra...but i still like that album more than sh cuz it fit them and they came thru but that was still a letdown but less of a letdown vs sh album
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Big nothing special? Listen to you kids. I understand it's West Coast but come on with that shit.
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How can you not like that Knuckleheadz beat?
CL Is one of the best produced albums
That Rakim beat is pretty dope as well.
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While we're at it.
http://usershare.net/shqku7j2icab
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I really dont understand the hate for the slaughterhouse album.
So stand out tracks but for me the only song i ever had to skip was cuckoo because i used to be annoying as hell. But now i listen track to track.
One word sums up this album - solid!!
Honestly who makes classic's anymore... i havent heard a classic album in the last 10 years?? and a solid album these days is nothing to turn your head at.
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maybe not instant classic...but for a group with so many dope rappers....its almost as if they didnt show their max potential...what cuz of them not bein able to afford more studio time, better producers....higher priced ghostwriters...lol
it should have been better....much better
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Big nothing special? Listen to you kids. I understand it's West Coast but come on with that shit.
I just ignore people who say that.
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Big nothing special? Listen to you kids. I understand it's West Coast but come on with that shit.
I just ignore people who say that.
Ready to die is amazing but LAD is mostly shit.
Was listening to it earlier and I was disgusted by all the gay ass R&b shit.
BIG has really grown on me but he's obviously still one of the most overrated.
Not saying bad but just overrated.
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Big nothing special? Listen to you kids. I understand it's West Coast but come on with that shit.
I just ignore people who say that.
Ready to die is amazing but LAD is mostly shit.
Was listening to it earlier and I was disgusted by all the gay ass R&b shit.
BIG has really grown on me but he's obviously still one of the most overrated.
Not saying bad but just overrated.
Theres still some great cuts on the album though (the Primo ones ;D). Born again is a far worse album but there are a few decent tracks on there (the Primo one :D) but Biggie Duets is just a freaking joke. I'd agree he's over rated in the little music he has out, nowhere near enough to say he's the greatest but for what we did hear, he's a great mc for me.
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Big nothing special? Listen to you kids. I understand it's West Coast but come on with that shit.
I just ignore people who say that.
Ready to die is amazing but LAD is mostly shit.
Was listening to it earlier and I was disgusted by all the gay ass R&b shit.
BIG has really grown on me but he's obviously still one of the most overrated.
Not saying bad but just overrated.
Theres still some great cuts on the album though (the Primo ones ;D). Born again is a far worse album but there are a few decent tracks on there (the Primo one :D) but Biggie Duets is just a freaking joke. I'd agree he's over rated in the little music he has out, nowhere near enough to say he's the greatest but for what we did hear, he's a great mc for me.
I don't really consider those albums since he didn't really have creative input.
Diddy probally did edit the shit out of LAD to get more controversie but biggie still had allot of creative input
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How can you not like that Knuckleheadz beat?
CL Is one of the best produced albums
That Rakim beat is pretty dope as well.
pretty average in my book; i know if Slaughterhouse had them, they wouldn't get such love.
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How can you not like that Knuckleheadz beat?
CL Is one of the best produced albums
That Rakim beat is pretty dope as well.
pretty average in my book; i know if Slaughterhouse had them, they wouldn't get such love.
I know I would much rather hear SH over that Knuckleheadz beat than any STREETRUNNER beat. Can't stand his recent productions.
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How can you not like that Knuckleheadz beat?
CL Is one of the best produced albums
That Rakim beat is pretty dope as well.
pretty average in my book; i know if Slaughterhouse had them, they wouldn't get such love.
you said the beats on illmatic were wack ofcourse you do...
Your favorite producers bows down to rza.
If slaughterhouse had that beat people would just say waste of a good beat.
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How can you not like that Knuckleheadz beat?
CL Is one of the best produced albums
That Rakim beat is pretty dope as well.
pretty average in my book; i know if Slaughterhouse had them, they wouldn't get such love.
you said the beats on illmatic were wack ofcourse you do...
Your favorite producers bows down to rza.
If slaughterhouse had that beat people would just say waste of a good beat.
I would only say its a waste from SH as it doesn't suit their style, they wouldn't sound right over it. Khalil, Primo, Focus, Black Milk, Mr Porter and Alchemist are the producers that wsuit their style and who they should be going for on their next album for me.
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How can you not like that Knuckleheadz beat?
CL Is one of the best produced albums
That Rakim beat is pretty dope as well.
pretty average in my book; i know if Slaughterhouse had them, they wouldn't get such love.
I know I would much rather hear SH over that Knuckleheadz beat than any STREETRUNNER beat. Can't stand his recent productions.
you mean any of the two? one being "Sound Off", which was a fine beat.
lemme just go through the whole album while i'm at it lol.
Sound Off - can't see the complaints
Lyrical Murderers - dark sound to it, bangs hard; again, can't see the hate.
Mircophone - arguably the best beat of '09.
Not Tonight - basically stole the beat to Joe Budden's "Now I Lay" on Padded Room; i can see how people could hate on it.
The One - got a Rock feel to it; i guess if you're not down with that, it just wouldn't appeal.
Cuckoo - another banger, you don't have to call it great, but i don't see how it's bad.
Onslaught 2 - beautiful beat lol.
Salute - slowed down, deep feel; Mr. Porter came through on this one.
Pray - another good beat.
Cut You Loose - ANOTHER good beat.
Raindrops - really fit into the theme of the song, deep feel, one of the best beats on the album.
Killaz - another dark beat that fit the flows of them four & easily gets a thumbs up.
so as it stands, i'm counting one beat that i would say is bad ("Not Tonight") & for some "The One"; if you guys disagree, feel free to state your case lol.
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How can you not like that Knuckleheadz beat?
CL Is one of the best produced albums
That Rakim beat is pretty dope as well.
pretty average in my book; i know if Slaughterhouse had them, they wouldn't get such love.
you said the beats on illmatic were wack ofcourse you do...
Your favorite producers bows down to rza.
If slaughterhouse had that beat people would just say waste of a good beat.
wow, that's a major mis-quote lmfao.
all i said was the beats on Illmatic weren't the greatest beats ever; beats we all bow down to & say it's so classic because of the beats, it's because of what Nas did on the mic.
take Illmatic for a second, not the GREATEST produced album ever, but personally, i'd say it's the greatest rap album ever & i know one of every three people would agree with me or at least have it in their top 3.
& are you sure? because i'm pretty sure the entire world bows down to Dre, even in 2010; let alone 15 years ago lol.
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Big nothing special? Listen to you kids. I understand it's West Coast but come on with that shit.
i said the beat for everyday struggle is nothing special, but yeah i do think biggie is overrated
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Big nothing special? Listen to you kids. I understand it's West Coast but come on with that shit.
i said the beat for everyday struggle is nothing special, but yeah i do think biggie is overrated
why are all these quotes being taken out of context? lmao.
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How can you not like that Knuckleheadz beat?
CL Is one of the best produced albums
That Rakim beat is pretty dope as well.
pretty average in my book; i know if Slaughterhouse had them, they wouldn't get such love.
you said the beats on illmatic were wack ofcourse you do...
Your favorite producers bows down to rza.
If slaughterhouse had that beat people would just say waste of a good beat.
wow, that's a major mis-quote lmfao.
all i said was the beats on Illmatic weren't the greatest beats ever; beats we all bow down to & say it's so classic because of the beats, it's because of what Nas did on the mic.
take Illmatic for a second, not the GREATEST produced album ever, but personally, i'd say it's the greatest rap album ever & i know one of every three people would agree with me or at least have it in their top 3.
& are you sure? because i'm pretty sure the entire world bows down to Dre, even in 2010; let alone 15 years ago lol.
I heard dre actually did bow down to rza.
Dre is 2nd as producers go
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How can you not like that Knuckleheadz beat?
CL Is one of the best produced albums
That Rakim beat is pretty dope as well.
pretty average in my book; i know if Slaughterhouse had them, they wouldn't get such love.
I know I would much rather hear SH over that Knuckleheadz beat than any STREETRUNNER beat. Can't stand his recent productions.
you mean any of the two? one being "Sound Off", which was a fine beat.
lemme just go through the whole album while i'm at it lol.
Sound Off - can't see the complaints
Lyrical Murderers - dark sound to it, bangs hard; again, can't see the hate.
Mircophone - arguably the best beat of '09.
Not Tonight - basically stole the beat to Joe Budden's "Now I Lay" on Padded Room; i can see how people could hate on it.
The One - got a Rock feel to it; i guess if you're not down with that, it just wouldn't appeal.
Cuckoo - another banger, you don't have to call it great, but i don't see how it's bad.
Onslaught 2 - beautiful beat lol.
Salute - slowed down, deep feel; Mr. Porter came through on this one.
Pray - another good beat.
Cut You Loose - ANOTHER good beat.
Raindrops - really fit into the theme of the song, deep feel, one of the best beats on the album.
Killaz - another dark beat that fit the flows of them four & easily gets a thumbs up.
so as it stands, i'm counting one beat that i would say is bad ("Not Tonight") & for some "The One"; if you guys disagree, feel free to state your case lol.
STREETRUNNERS beats have way to much going on in them which makes them extremely hard to listen too. Sound Off had the same sample used by Pete Rock and it was nowhere near the level of that. And Not Tonight is just boring.
As for the rest, Cuckoo is horrible and Killaz and Raindrops are just boring. And I actually like The One, but its just mixed awfully.
The only tracks I still give a listen to on the album are:
Lyrical Murderers
Microphone (Agree, 1 of the tracks of the year)
The One
Salute
Pray
Cut You Loose
That for me makes it an average album.
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The chronic, No album is better produced.
now i'm no scientist, but wouldn't it make sense that the best produced album of all time is produced by the best producer?
2001 wasn't too shabby either.
then, not trying to beat a dead horse or anything, but getting back to this "impact is everything" thing, wouldn't you say with "The Chronic", producing NWA's work, working with Pac & Snoop on Death Row, "2001" & producing a majority of Eminem's work has had more impact than a couple of Wu-Tang albums?
How can you not like that Knuckleheadz beat?
CL Is one of the best produced albums
That Rakim beat is pretty dope as well.
pretty average in my book; i know if Slaughterhouse had them, they wouldn't get such love.
I know I would much rather hear SH over that Knuckleheadz beat than any STREETRUNNER beat. Can't stand his recent productions.
you mean any of the two? one being "Sound Off", which was a fine beat.
lemme just go through the whole album while i'm at it lol.
Sound Off - can't see the complaints
Lyrical Murderers - dark sound to it, bangs hard; again, can't see the hate.
Mircophone - arguably the best beat of '09.
Not Tonight - basically stole the beat to Joe Budden's "Now I Lay" on Padded Room; i can see how people could hate on it.
The One - got a Rock feel to it; i guess if you're not down with that, it just wouldn't appeal.
Cuckoo - another banger, you don't have to call it great, but i don't see how it's bad.
Onslaught 2 - beautiful beat lol.
Salute - slowed down, deep feel; Mr. Porter came through on this one.
Pray - another good beat.
Cut You Loose - ANOTHER good beat.
Raindrops - really fit into the theme of the song, deep feel, one of the best beats on the album.
Killaz - another dark beat that fit the flows of them four & easily gets a thumbs up.
so as it stands, i'm counting one beat that i would say is bad ("Not Tonight") & for some "The One"; if you guys disagree, feel free to state your case lol.
STREETRUNNERS beats have way to much going on in them which makes them extremely hard to listen too. Sound Off had the same sample used by Pete Rock and it was nowhere near the level of that. And Not Tonight is just boring.
As for the rest, Cuckoo is horrible and Killaz and Raindrops are just boring. And I actually like The One, but its just mixed awfully.
The only tracks I still give a listen to on the album are:
Lyrical Murderers
Microphone (Agree, 1 of the tracks of the year)
The One
Salute
Pray
Cut You Loose
That for me makes it an average album.
fair enough lol.
you always came off as a big "beat" guy; you run shit over in the instrumentals section, don't you? :P
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How can you not like that Knuckleheadz beat?
CL Is one of the best produced albums
That Rakim beat is pretty dope as well.
pretty average in my book; i know if Slaughterhouse had them, they wouldn't get such love.
I know I would much rather hear SH over that Knuckleheadz beat than any STREETRUNNER beat. Can't stand his recent productions.
you mean any of the two? one being "Sound Off", which was a fine beat.
lemme just go through the whole album while i'm at it lol.
Sound Off - can't see the complaints
Lyrical Murderers - dark sound to it, bangs hard; again, can't see the hate.
Mircophone - arguably the best beat of '09.
Not Tonight - basically stole the beat to Joe Budden's "Now I Lay" on Padded Room; i can see how people could hate on it.
The One - got a Rock feel to it; i guess if you're not down with that, it just wouldn't appeal.
Cuckoo - another banger, you don't have to call it great, but i don't see how it's bad.
Onslaught 2 - beautiful beat lol.
Salute - slowed down, deep feel; Mr. Porter came through on this one.
Pray - another good beat.
Cut You Loose - ANOTHER good beat.
Raindrops - really fit into the theme of the song, deep feel, one of the best beats on the album.
Killaz - another dark beat that fit the flows of them four & easily gets a thumbs up.
so as it stands, i'm counting one beat that i would say is bad ("Not Tonight") & for some "The One"; if you guys disagree, feel free to state your case lol.
STREETRUNNERS beats have way to much going on in them which makes them extremely hard to listen too. Sound Off had the same sample used by Pete Rock and it was nowhere near the level of that. And Not Tonight is just boring.
As for the rest, Cuckoo is horrible and Killaz and Raindrops are just boring. And I actually like The One, but its just mixed awfully.
The only tracks I still give a listen to on the album are:
Lyrical Murderers
Microphone (Agree, 1 of the tracks of the year)
The One
Salute
Pray
Cut You Loose
That for me makes it an average album.
fair enough lol.
you always came off as a big "beat" guy; you run shit over in the instrumentals section, don't you? :P
I do run that yer but I still put up some wack instrumentals. For some artists and producers I'm a completist which means I get hold of some wack ones so I'm not perfect. ;D
But for real the whole album just doesn't do it for me. And judging from other peoples opinions, I'm not the only one. Maybe I'm to stuck in the 90's. There aren't many up and coming or producers that started this century that I really feel.
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why are all these quotes being taken out of context? lmao.
I wasn't directly quoting anyone so you can't really say I was taking something out of context but the basic response was coming toward the line of thinking displayed here.
oh damn your from the east and you sayin biggie is overrated....damn well good lookin cuz not jus him but hes one of the most overrated of all time...whats so special about him? lol
Like I said it's a West Coast forum and there's generally certain artists whose roles it's cool to underplay while bigging up others who really have accomplished far less but happen to have done so in a more popular region. It's one thing to say I'm not feeling Eminem or Jay-Z or Biggie because their content doesn't appeal to me which it's cool in itself but it seems more like a personal preference thing. Terms like "overrated" shouldn't apply here. That's more a comment on a majority misconception of someone's skills or talent. I think some folks have trouble with any artist that isn't West Coast who has a "pop crossover commercial hit". Even our man, Pac said, "Don't have to bump this but please respect it". Basically, you don't have to be a fan of the content but at least, appreciate the talent it took to create it.
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Nobody casn deny ready to die is a classic album and nobody can deny biggie is an amazing artist.BUT,I think the problem most people have is that hes viewed as one of the best ever,if not the best when he wasnt around long enough to dignify that.Because life after death was a step backwards from his first album,whos to say he wouldnt have fallen off?Where as pac seemed to get stronger every album with makavelli is best lyrical album he had released.I can agree biggie was amazing and its a shame he wasnt around longer but I cant crown an artist who only has two albums.
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the thing i don't get is shady = interscope = jimmy iovine.
it is highly unlikely SH would get to release any material commercially through this platform, which would anger fans. maybe they are just looking for the signing on fee plus the ability to leak new material that they work on. but really, it should be common sense and not another label that is stopping them from striking a deal.
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Nobody casn deny ready to die is a classic album and nobody can deny biggie is an amazing artist.BUT,I think the problem most people have is that hes viewed as one of the best ever,if not the best when he wasnt around long enough to dignify that.Because life after death was a step backwards from his first album,whos to say he wouldnt have fallen off?Where as pac seemed to get stronger every album with makavelli is best lyrical album he had released.I can agree biggie was amazing and its a shame he wasnt around longer but I cant crown an artist who only has two albums.
I think it's quality over quanity. The material Big put out can be put up against the best of any other artist in the rap game and hold its own. I don't think the length of one's discography holds as much merit as we all like to give it. N.W.A. is very rarely dismissed in the "greatest group of all-time" category and almost never called overrated around here. They only really put out two albums and the second one didn't have Cube. While the production evolved, their content, in my opinion, suffered in Cube's absence.
As for Pac, it's always gonna be that comparison when Big comes up and again, it's a hard one to have with people who can't remove personal tastes from the equation. Pac didn't get stronger with every album. "All Eyez On Me" is a drastic drop-off from "Me Against The World" but how do you have that argument on an album that features every nearly every classic Death Row performer as well as tons of beloved West Coast favorites like C-Bo, Rappin' 4-Tay, and Dru Down? It also has some of his most popular singles. But as an album it is fucking cluttered as hell. It's fun party music but for all of the songs that on their own grounds are classics, there is also quite a bit of filler and I don't think it plays nearly as well as the album before it or the one that follows it. There's at least three or four songs that were already finished for other projects that Pac came and added his vocals to. Obviously, this is a very impressive album for how quickly it was put together and it shows both Pac's amazing work ethic and his genius but it also tends to allow a lot of the album's flaws to get a pass. I think it's easily one of his least personal records.
Pac is without question, one of the best rappers ever and probably my favorite of all-time but in playing devil's advocate, he was flawed as both a human being and as an artist. But that is reality. Nobody is perfect. Not Pac. Not Dre. Not DJ Quik. Not Michael Jackson. Not Quincy Jones. As far as arguing if Big would have fallen off, that's not even debatable. Every artist is going to fall off in some way because every fan has a different reason why they love that artist. Eventually after doing eight or nine albums over the course of however many years, even the very best artist is going to have creative issues with his public. Times and trends will change and everyone will embrace it differently. I mean, there are people who genuinelly believe that if Tupac was alive, music would still sound like it did between 1994 and 96. And the thing is if Pac was alive, he'd be judged a little more harshly as well because his death would not have put him on this pedistle where he currently resides.
I think with Pac, there's a lot more to pick from but I also think he had the advantage of not getting it right away. "Doggystyle", "Ready To Die", and "Illmatic" were all classics. "2Pacalypse Now" and "Stricly 4 My N.I.G.G.A.Z." are not. I think Pac's most emotionally-involving songs ("Brenda's Got A Baby" and "Keep Ya Head Up") are on there but artistically, he was still finding his way. From interviews with people he worked with at the time, he seemed aware of this and I think that might have even been what helped in molding his work ethic into what it became. I think if you look at 1991-96 and all the moves and changes Pac went through, nobody can even venture to guess where he'd be in as close a time frame to his death as say, 1998. Death Row was like eleven months of that man's life. Most fans define him by that period but realistically, the guy got out of prison and never really had much time to reflect on it. Who can say where he'd be today?
Alright, I've not only rambled way off the Slaughterhouse topic but also the Biggie sub-topic. Sorry for all that but I think it's important to kind of throw everything into perspective. Yes, Biggie only made this much music in that much time but he was a major influence. Perhaps his death added something to that but there are plenty of others who die young in the industry who don't have that kind of legacy.
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how can you say "quantity over quality" but Tupac was nothing but quality.
it's as simple as this, Biggie wasn't around long enough to be considered the "greatest of all time"; especially with just one classic album.
it's like if LeBron James had a career ending injury today, you can't just say "oh, he's the greatest ever, he would of won rings & would have broken records". he just wouldn't have been around long enough to be considered "the greatest".
he was dope, but greatest? Pac, Nas, Cube, Scarface? all got hundreds of songs with mulitple classic albums; Biggie's got one.
i don't see how you can judge the greatest of something on a hypothetical situation.
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Well, in my opinion, Big had 2 classics under his hat and to me, it ain't how long you stay in the game but the impact you leave and Big left a giant mark. I think sports is one thing but entertainment and creativety is a whole other plateau in itself and you can't judge it the same. Lebron can only to do it as long as he's physically able to hang with the youngsters but music and movies and entertainment, it's no expiration date on doing that. You're only done when they fit you for a toe tag or the public just doesn't care anymore. In the case of Biggie, it was the former but he said a lot in the time that he had.
With Biggie, he was just on whole other level. He carved his niche in the industry. Period. It's not hypothetical at all. He defined that era of music for his region. It's not even a question mark there. It's like Dre and Snoop. Once they did, "Chronic" and "Doggystyle" back to back, they were gonna forever be remembered for that whether they reunited on "2001" or not. That is one of the greatest rapper-producer duos in music and that was established in a window of about two or three years. And it's different rules for everybody. One rapper might make one classic album but that album forever changes the way rap music is made.
I think when it came to just how he rapped, Big was something else. That flow was legendary, man. I mean, and we can say it like this. As good as Face or Nas and however many albums they had, I don't think they had the crossover hits in their catalog. My brain is a little spent on how to describe this exactly right because this isn't a sales or club spins argument, I'm talking about how Big's music reasonates within the culture here. There's artists/groups that only knock out one or two albums before they either die or dissapear and they aren't nearly as celebrated as Biggie and there's a reason for that. Some might be of the opinion that he got put up there because of whatever controversy or what not but his catalog is still going strong. As far as pure flow and his charisma and how he did things, I just don't see any in his league. Maybe people don't agree but it's past an album count with me on this one.
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cham i feel you....whether or not pac and biggie still be makin muzik...pac was a better rapper and he proved that....
but the sh album should have been much...much better...too much hype and it didnt live up to the hype but more importantly to what they could and should have done before....they are capable of doin more than that
and cham who do you think was more commercial or makin muzik for the ladies...outta biggie n pac?
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^obviously Biggie lol.
& since you think Biggie is such a huge name/impact, etc., you can thank Mr. Tupac Shakur for that lol.
the beef put Biggie on another planet; the fact he was even fucking with Pac made him larger than life, no pun intended.
the guy was the butt-end of arguably the greatest diss track in rap history, was killed in to what some believe is "retaliation" for the death of Pac.
the fact that when you said Tupac's name, the first thing you thought was "Tupac vs. Biggie".
Big was great, but then you put him against the greatest & factor in all the exposure Pac gave him & the fact he is one of the few rappers gunned down & was the Hip Hop voice of the greatest state in the country ( ;) 8)) & what you really have is just hype all bottled together that gives off the aura of being "GOAT".
i don't think Big could scratch the top 5.
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he shouldnt scratch the top 10...even
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he shouldnt scratch the top 10...even
Tupac
Nas
Eminem
Ice Cube
Scarface
Big L
he doesn't touch that six for me, but maybe seventh lol.
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Y'all going hard at Biggie but Pac sold out the most in comparison to roots. True story.
Who do you all place in top ten?
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biggie was overrated action...big time
in my top ten...scarface, krs one, rakim, 2pac, gza, ...have to be in there....and add wc...and the rest i have to think about.... ;)
i have a couple that will remain unnamed...lol
but you need to state where your from...so we can see if your bein biased...lol
and anyone one of you puttin jay-z in the top 25 are done...lol
real talk tho by jay and infinite
Definitely Royce. He had some of his best one-liners on that track, and he can match Eminem in flow, intensity, and style where Jay-Z just comes off like a plain.
This is something Ive never understood about why Jay z gets put in with greatest of all time talk.Whenever he does a song with other big name artists he ALWAYS gets outshined.Hell he even got outshined on that song with TI lil wayne and kanye.Kanye west murders Jay z on his own sgons all the time,as does beanie sigel.
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it depends on how you do top ten I guess
because cats like pac, jay, biggie deserve top ten if you talk about from cultural impact. you can't name 3 bigger artists than them who have contributed to hip-hop with relative longevity. hate all you want on jay's artistic merits but it's the truth.
but, i'm a just go off personal top ten because that's the only real legit way to do it without factoring in too much
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but lyrically we are talkin...rakims disco isnt the best in 30 years...lol....but lyrically hes a beast
so the rest dont count or that would be a seperate list...but lyrically talkin here
crooked dont have a album...all he got is a billboard...does that make him wack? lol
and as far as jay's muzik...its not the best muzik to say its all classic or hes a dope rapper always...nah hes not..hes a businessman who also raps and has rapped for years but very overrated
but lyrically IMO pac would and did eat jay and biggie alive...and dead...lol
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Dub C better than Big? Come on with that shit.
And Cham, how is Biggie's contributions not enough to be acknowledged but Big L's are? On a strictly influential level, you've heard a lot more of Biggie's work in the years following his death than L.
& since you think Biggie is such a huge name/impact, etc., you can thank Mr. Tupac Shakur for that lol.
the beef put Biggie on another planet; the fact he was even fucking with Pac made him larger than life, no pun intended.
the guy was the butt-end of arguably the greatest diss track in rap history, was killed in to what some believe is "retaliation" for the death of Pac.
the fact that when you said Tupac's name, the first thing you thought was "Tupac vs. Biggie".
Big was great, but then you put him against the greatest & factor in all the exposure Pac gave him & the fact he is one of the few rappers gunned down & was the Hip Hop voice of the greatest state in the country ( ;) 8)) & what you really have is just hype all bottled together that gives off the aura of being "GOAT".
i don't think Big could scratch the top 5.
If you say either's name, you think of the other. It was a major hip-hop feud but it's deeper than all that. The beef escalated everybody's name in the public eye. Tupac was now on Death Row, which was the hottest fucking label, in the country. By extenstion of that, it was now about nearly every artist on that label and the three or four biggest names on the West Coast mixed up in it. The controversy helped elevate everyone's status in terms of notoriety but to put things in perspective, "Ready To Die" was released over two months before Pac's shooting/conviction and did tremendously well both critically and comercially. He was the highest-selling artist in the U.S. in 1995. In fact, I'm pretty sure Biggie's singles outsold Pac's at that time. The night Suge threw out that shot at Bad Boy, Biggie took home four of the night's biggest awards. This was before East-West had become a "media sensation". The interview with Pac was just hitting newstands but the drama behind it was still mild in terms of public perception.
"Hit Em Up", arguably the most infamous moment in the beef, until the fatal shootings occured, did not hit the public until spring 1996. Now, it was all-out. East versus West. Pac fucking Biggie's wife. And all of that.
I mean, if we want to talk about controversy creating hype. Neither of Pac's first two albums or their singles were major chart-toppers. He didn't have a #1 album until "Me Against The World" following his rape conviction and the shooting. To give Pac credit for Big's climb to stardom is interesting, given that while Shakur was certainly more of a veteran in the game, they both kind of came into the spotlight in terms of superstardom around the same time. There is no denying that Pac helped groom Biggie as an artist and taught him a lot of things but it wasn't like he gave him his industry stamp.
Here is where I see the information getting mixed up. People want to believe that Biggie was some average rapper that sold a few records but was never really a mainstream name until "Hit Em Up" but that just wasn't the truth. Of course, it's a one-way street here. The millions of people who suddenly realized they loved Pac's music after he died are not at all influenced by any of the hype or controversy about him. Things just had a funny way of working out that way, right?
I'd never deny Pac as being arguably both the greatest writer in hip-hop and having one of the hardest work ethics in music period but the controversy was as pivotal to his success and legacy as it was to Biggie's. Maybe even more so. That being said, can people honestly tell me that Pac could fuck with Biggie on the flow tip? Biggie's voice, line delivery, range, vocal control, etc. while spitting and telling a coherent story aren't relevant in the "Greatest MC" debate?
And Walk On, I'll proudly put Jay-Z (who you say has no business in the top 25) over WC who you seem to think belongs in the top 10. It's no diss to Dub but Jay gets hated on enough. It seems like it's open season on anyone with a phenominal flow.
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but lyrically we are talkin...rakims disco isnt the best in 30 years...lol....but lyrically hes a beast
so the rest dont count or that would be a seperate list...but lyrically talkin here
crooked dont have a album...all he got is a billboard...does that make him wack? lol
and as far as jay's muzik...its not the best muzik to say its all classic or hes a dope rapper always...nah hes not..hes a businessman who also raps and has rapped for years but very overrated
but lyrically IMO pac would and did eat jay and biggie alive...and dead...lol
Jay-Z is a dope rapper. To call him a businessman who raps suggest that he's Puffy or Eazy-E. When we're talking lyricists, are we going strictly on the content or are we including how they perform it in the booth? I mean, are you strictly listening to what the lyrics are or actually listening to how he flips his words and keeps moving. I'll admit I wasn't always the biggest Jay fan but he's pretty on top of his game when it comes to hitting with those punchlines and metaphors. I think with the exception of KRS-One, he runs circles around every rapper you listed in your top 6 or 7 when it comes to that shit.
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Nobody casn deny ready to die is a classic album and nobody can deny biggie is an amazing artist.BUT,I think the problem most people have is that hes viewed as one of the best ever,if not the best when he wasnt around long enough to dignify that.Because life after death was a step backwards from his first album,whos to say he wouldnt have fallen off?Where as pac seemed to get stronger every album with makavelli is best lyrical album he had released.I can agree biggie was amazing and its a shame he wasnt around longer but I cant crown an artist who only has two albums.
I remember an interview where big literally said 'I'd rap about flowers if it would help me sell'
I'm pretty sure if he was alive he'd be on the O let's do it remix with diddy.
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it depends on how you do top ten I guess
because cats like pac, jay, biggie deserve top ten if you talk about from cultural impact. you can't name 3 bigger artists than them who have contributed to hip-hop with relative longevity. hate all you want on jay's artistic merits but it's the truth.
but, i'm a just go off personal top ten because that's the only real legit way to do it without factoring in too much
personally i hate that impact shit, so i guess it's just what people factor into their top 10.
i look at Lil' Wayne, Soulja Boy & people who made snap music; you can't deny they had a MAJOR impact on the culture.
i mean, people have gone from wearing the baggiest shit they could find, to rocking the tightest shit they can find; they've gone from making songs with actual meaning & just make songs with the "coolest" punchline & the better the punchline, the better the song to these kids & the "Jerk Movement" is keeping the whole "song & dance" movement pushing forward.
so i tell myself, if impact can be 110% on the other side of the spectrum & basically ruin the culture, i personally can't factor that into the music; so more me, it's just what i liked more than another album & i think that's the way it should be anyway.
different styles, different sounds, different people, different tastes; it's pointless to get everyone to try to agree on whose better than who. people should just decide their own Top 10's & such based on personal preference; because i know you can find 14-15 year olds that will tell you a Top 10 with Lil' Wayne headlining the list lol.
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lol @ cham shitting on biggie and then putting big l in his list hahaha
big l is a beast but most of the things u critisize biggie for are true for big l too. he only had one proper album and it wasnt even as good as ready to die. course he did mad shit with ditc tho
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lol @ cham shitting on biggie and then putting big l in his list hahaha
big l is a beast but most of the things u critisize biggie for are true for big l too. he only had one proper album and it wasnt even as good as ready to die. course he did mad shit with ditc tho
LMAO @ Lifestylez wasn't as good as ready to die.
Big L also has countless of freestyles better then a great verse from another rapper
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it's too early to tell lil wayne's impact but with big you can see the legacy of influence.
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wc is doper than jay-z but is he better....prolly not but damn jayz and biggie are way too overrated....why are they treated like gods when it comes to rap?
krs one would and still is murderin mc's on the mic...how come jay-z or big are on a higher level than krs one whenhe raps circles around them?
and yeah we talkin lyrically...the rest counts later...how they perform etc...
sides writin your own lyrics is extremely important....does jay-z write his own raps? did biggie write his own raps?
and even if they did they are still overrated
yeah they had a impact but does that make them the best or top 10? no
some of the dopest lyricists dont get heard....and dont end up in the top anythin but that dont mean they are dope and jay-z is the best
you serious about lil wayne/soulja boy impact? jus cuz they sold millions means they are a huge impact to muzik?
what did they do lyrically? krs one wrote a better verse than wayne and soulja boys life decades ago....how come that isnt good enough but wayne's praised as the best rapper alive....even tho he should be dead for his wack raps....that aint nuthin special at all with his wack flow...aite everythin now n then he got some dope punchlines but impact on a culture? nah no way and he never will
but lyrically we are talkin...rakims disco isnt the best in 30 years...lol....but lyrically hes a beast
so the rest dont count or that would be a seperate list...but lyrically talkin here
crooked dont have a album...all he got is a billboard...does that make him wack? lol
and as far as jay's muzik...its not the best muzik to say its all classic or hes a dope rapper always...nah hes not..hes a businessman who also raps and has rapped for years but very overrated
but lyrically IMO pac would and did eat jay and biggie alive...and dead...lol
Jay-Z is a dope rapper. To call him a businessman who raps suggest that he's Puffy or Eazy-E. When we're talking lyricists, are we going strictly on the content or are we including how they perform it in the booth? I mean, are you strictly listening to what the lyrics are or actually listening to how he flips his words and keeps moving. I'll admit I wasn't always the biggest Jay fan but he's pretty on top of his game when it comes to hitting with those punchlines and metaphors. I think with the exception of KRS-One, he runs circles around every rapper you listed in your top 6 or 7 when it comes to that shit.
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Who said anything about Wayne or Soulja Boy? Someone else brought them up to discredit the whole impact on the game theory, which like it or not, has a lot to do with who is the greatest.
As far as basing on strictly lyrics, if you're removing everything else from the equation then I guess it's just about writing, which to me, makes it a boring argument in itself. Jay and Biggie do write their lyrics, or more specifically conceive them. Supposedly, they don't put pen to paper but the words come from their minds so it's basically the same. I think if you're ignoring things like flow and cadance, you're basically saying a boring-ass rapper with complex 16's should be the greatest lyricist out there and I don't subscribe to that.
i look at Lil' Wayne, Soulja Boy & people who made snap music; you can't deny they had a MAJOR impact on the culture.
i mean, people have gone from wearing the baggiest shit they could find, to rocking the tightest shit they can find; they've gone from making songs with actual meaning & just make songs with the "coolest" punchline & the better the punchline, the better the song to these kids & the "Jerk Movement" is keeping the whole "song & dance" movement pushing forward.
You seem to have impact as an MC confused with impact on fashion or pop culture. Two different things to me.
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^icons are icons man; Biggie set trends, Wayne is setting trends.
is it just me or is everyone rapping with mad swag these days just dropping punchlines? mainstream anyway.
it's not different at all, it's just Biggie was actually rapping the way it was intended to be heard.
lol @ cham shitting on biggie and then putting big l in his list hahaha
big l is a beast but most of the things u critisize biggie for are true for big l too. he only had one proper album and it wasnt even as good as ready to die. course he did mad shit with ditc tho
Lifestylez Ov Da Poor & Dangerous is five times Ready To Die, in my opinion.
so you can shit on my opinion if you like, but people would easily agree with me.
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Lifestylez Ov Da Poor & Dangerous is five times Ready To Die, in my opinion.
so you can shit on my opinion if you like, but people would easily agree with me.
It's still one album though, partner. Not gonna shit on you for it. Just don't agree with you.
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Lifestylez Ov Da Poor & Dangerous is five times Ready To Die, in my opinion.
so you can shit on my opinion if you like, but people would easily agree with me.
It's still one album though, partner. Not gonna shit on you for it. Just don't agree with you.
it's not like i said Big L is the greatest & Biggie sucks dick; i said Biggie might be the seventh best ever; Big L is just better than him in my opinion.
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keep praisin jay-z, and biggie as the greatest but they arent IMO...far from it actually....they are borin rappers....who get on dope beats....onto the next one...that shit is wack
gza is way....way better than biggie...IMO
but why does it always come down to biggie and jay-z...whats so special about them...when theres other dope rappers out there that would and prolly have killed those 2 and more
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Look it's obvious that you're in a minority. They're influence alone is greater than what you're giving them credit for. So, in that sense, you're both wrong. And, it's easy to say WOULD HAVE or PROBABLY HAVE but you have little proof.
BIG died so it's sad we didn't get to see his legacy play out. Jay-Z's been around and his legacy stands for itself. Not many rappers have done what he has done. You're failing to recognise that it all doesn't boil down to technical skill. Jay's music has spread among more ears and connected to more people than most. It's about reflecting certain truths and Jay's music has done that.
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Look it's obvious that you're in a minority. They're influence alone is greater than what you're giving them credit for. So, in that sense, you're both wrong. And, it's easy to say WOULD HAVE or PROBABLY HAVE but you have little proof.
BIG died so it's sad we didn't get to see his legacy play out. Jay-Z's been around and his legacy stands for itself. Not many rappers have done what he has done. You're failing to recognise that it all doesn't boil down to technical skill. Jay's music has spread among more ears and connected to more people than most. It's about reflecting certain truths and Jay's music has done that.
well said
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keep praisin jay-z, and biggie as the greatest but they arent IMO...far from it actually....they are borin rappers....who get on dope beats....onto the next one...that shit is wack
It's not an issue of praising them as the greatest. It's giving them their due. Some artists (Eminem, Biggie, 50, Jay) while major sellers are also artists who it is accepted to discredit.
I'm not trying to get insulting on this one so please excuse me if it comes off this way but is English your first language? Can you comprehend the difficulty of switching up flows and emphasising syllables while staying in pocket with the beat? I think there are maybe a handful of rappers that are on that level when it comes to flow and I'd put Biggie and Jay on the top of that list. Pac, Cube, Nas, and Face, who all get boat loads of respect in my book, do not have that kind of vocal stamina to me. And of course, someone who is a fan of them will say "Well, that's not really important to me". Well, to me if you're not recognizing the energy and timiing in a rapper's vocal performance then we're not talking about MC's, we're talking about writers.
There are rappers like Jada, Lloyd Banks, Crooked I, who probably spit more complexly but they don't have the natural flow to them like a KRS-One or Jay where you feel like they are riding the beat, instead of kicking a freestyle. You can put Biggie or Jay or Eminem on a faster beat and they can keep up without mumbling or becoming incomprehendable and in many cases, they make it sound easy.
but why does it always come down to biggie and jay-z...whats so special about them...when theres other dope rappers out there that would and prolly have killed those 2 and more
I've gone into detail about what seperates them. Generally speaking, Biggie and Jay are the only two rappers on that "greatest" list from the 90's era that people will allow to be thrown into that OVERRATED bus. You might have someone argue against Nas or Cube if we compare them to Pac but other than that, people are very boring with their arguments. It tends to be a popularity contest. Well, what rappers are on MTV and aren't from the West? Nas could have the very same discography he does right now but if you added three platinum singles with Lady Gaga, Blacked Eyed Peas, and Justin Timberlake, suddenly, his "greatest of all-time" status would be more in question. Great artists who from time to time do a pop crossover song are still great artists.
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jimmy you a fool... ;D...and we havin fun so its all good.. ;D and english is my.......1st language and its gon remain that way... ;)
but it jus seems biggie and jay get more....they are the best thrown at em....when IMO nas at his best...even right now and scarface right now could and should murder them others on the mic... face and nas are two of the best rappers ever and the energy and everythin they provide on the mic and in their muzik makes jay-z and biggie's muzik easy as 1,2, ...etc...lol
jay- and biggie impact and legacy vs nas and face...yeah they prolly had a bigger impact...but could that have been cuz of the big label they were on....as in if face especially had a bigger backin and actually cared about his muzik more he should have been a bigger rapper and had a bigger impact than biggie and jay-z...some would argue in face favor he has got jay-z on all their collabo's....but damn scarface and nas when he wants to can crush many rappers especially jay and biggie...so lets say he can crush them....
they got dope lyrics
they write their own lyrics
their flow is on point and crazy
and more
if all that is better than jay and biggie's muzik....its more of who they were with and who they became or how they became who they became rather than they are better than nas or face.....otherwise face is one of the coldest and dopest rappers to ever live and hes much better than biggie and jay-z IMO
scarface didnt become a hit overnight nas and years later he still dont get the respect he deserves...nas gets a lil more respect but still not enough
is their legacy of what they did and who they did it with more important or what they can do as a rapper?
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face and nas are two of the best rappers ever
You'll get no complaint there.
yeah they prolly had a bigger impact...but could that have been cuz of the big label they were on....
Doubtful. Nas and Face were both on major labels themselves. Jay's first album was an independent release distributed through Priority. He didn't have his mainstream breakthrough until his third album. In terms of exposure, Nas was getting about the same at this point. Jay-Z was not this product of the "machine". If anything, Big and Jay reached a bigger audience because their content is more acceptable to the mainstream.
some would argue in face favor he has got jay-z on all their collabo's....
Maye some would. Rappers get outshined on their own shit sometimes. They lose battles to lesser rappers. It happens. I'm not saying Nas ain't better than Jay or Face ain't better than Jay. I'm saying from a devil's advocate position, Jay gotta get his credit too.
they got dope lyrics
they write their own lyrics
their flow is on point and crazy
and more
I'd say this of any rapper I'd put in the top 10. You honestly think either has a more versatile flow than Jay or Biggie?
if all that is better than jay and biggie's muzik....its more of who they were with and who they became or how they became who they became rather than they are better than nas or face.....otherwise face is one of the coldest and dopest rappers to ever live and hes much better than biggie and jay-z IMO
It's not about who's better or worse to me. I'm not saying either one is WAY BETTER than the other. I'm saying of these rappers. Tupac, Eminem, Nas, Ice Cube, Scarface, Jay-Z, Notorious B.I.G. Not one of them is better than all the rest in every category of what makes a great MC. There are areas where Big is better than Pac. There are areas where Jay is better than Nas. There are areas where Eminem is better than Scarface. And vice versa.
scarface didnt become a hit overnight nas and years later he still dont get the respect he deserves...nas gets a lil more respect but still not enough
And this is the exact fucking problem I have with this argument. It's arguing that someone is better because they aren't getting as much credit as a more mainstream artist. You could have two emcees that were equal and because one isn't getting the recognition for whatever reason, the other is automatically "overrated" even if he earned its spot. It seems like it's more about shitting on every rapper you don't like as much who has more shine than about selling the strengths of the rapper you do like.
is their legacy of what they did and who they did it with more important or what they can do as a rapper?
Their legacy of what they did is a direct example of what they can do as a rapper. Should we not use direct examples from their careers or does it make more sense to throw up a hypothetical of what they could do if they were on this label with this amount of money and public exposure or battled this guy?
I keep hearing mention of how so and so could crush or kill this person on the mic. But what are we really talking about? Are we saying they could make a better diss? Better battle rapper? The crowd would feel them more? Better freestyler? Write a better song on the same 16? All of this or none of this?
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face and nas are two of the best rappers ever
You'll get no complaint there.
yeah they prolly had a bigger impact...but could that have been cuz of the big label they were on....
Doubtful. Nas and Face were both on major labels themselves. Jay's first album was an independent release distributed through Priority. He didn't have his mainstream breakthrough until his third album. In terms of exposure, Nas was getting about the same at this point. Jay-Z was not this product of the "machine". If anything, Big and Jay reached a bigger audience because their content is more acceptable to the mainstream.
some would argue in face favor he has got jay-z on all their collabo's....
Maye some would. Rappers get outshined on their own shit sometimes. They lose battles to lesser rappers. It happens. I'm not saying Nas ain't better than Jay or Face ain't better than Jay. I'm saying from a devil's advocate position, Jay gotta get his credit too.
they got dope lyrics
they write their own lyrics
their flow is on point and crazy
and more
I'd say this of any rapper I'd put in the top 10. You honestly think either has a more versatile flow than Jay or Biggie?
if all that is better than jay and biggie's muzik....its more of who they were with and who they became or how they became who they became rather than they are better than nas or face.....otherwise face is one of the coldest and dopest rappers to ever live and hes much better than biggie and jay-z IMO
It's not about who's better or worse to me. I'm not saying either one is WAY BETTER than the other. I'm saying of these rappers. Tupac, Eminem, Nas, Ice Cube, Scarface, Jay-Z, Notorious B.I.G. Not one of them is better than all the rest in every category of what makes a great MC. There are areas where Big is better than Pac. There are areas where Jay is better than Nas. There are areas where Eminem is better than Scarface. And vice versa.
scarface didnt become a hit overnight nas and years later he still dont get the respect he deserves...nas gets a lil more respect but still not enough
And this is the exact fucking problem I have with this argument. It's arguing that someone is better because they aren't getting as much credit as a more mainstream artist. You could have two emcees that were equal and because one isn't getting the recognition for whatever reason, the other is automatically "overrated" even if he earned its spot. It seems like it's more about shitting on every rapper you don't like as much who has more shine than about selling the strengths of the rapper you do like.
is their legacy of what they did and who they did it with more important or what they can do as a rapper?
Their legacy of what they did is a direct example of what they can do as a rapper. Should we not use direct examples from their careers or does it make more sense to throw up a hypothetical of what they could do if they were on this label with this amount of money and public exposure or battled this guy?
I keep hearing mention of how so and so could crush or kill this person on the mic. But what are we really talking about? Are we saying they could make a better diss? Better battle rapper? The crowd would feel them more? Better freestyler? Write a better song on the same 16? All of this or none of this?
Nice replies. Quality poster. +1
GYWO just doesn't seem to understand.
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jimmy face dont get the recognition and respect he deserves...but jay-z, biggie, and others are preached as bein gods on the mic....if scarface aint a god then they arent either... ;D nah but for real yeah scarface dont have the same mainstream appeal...but lyrically he's the best and top 3 of all time and hes past jay-z, and biggie IMO
scarface might not be better in every category up agianst jay and biggie but hes better in most IMO and overall with lyrics and what he does on the mic....jay will never catch up to him....
look jay-z, biggie, even wayne and others are thrown at the top of this as if they really can compete with scarface...they cant and they havent
listen to each rappers albums and.....face wins....nas is a different story...but nas at his very best wins also
you got your opinion and everyone else got theirs...understandin or not....noones goin to agree...some will take sides for what its worth....which is nuthin
and you mentioned in what sense are face and nas better
dissin
song structure
flow
delivery
i mean it goes on......if anythin biggie is better than jay-z but they arent on face level or nas
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1. Rakim
2. Chuck D (Public Enemy)
3. Nas
4. Tupac Shakur
5. Jay-Z
6. Ice Cube
7. KRS-One
8. Common
Hate to say this but I can see Kanye creeping in based on his artistic growth. Also, 50 will always be a favourite.
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50 will be in your top 10 of all time?
1. Rakim
2. Chuck D (Public Enemy)
3. Nas
4. Tupac Shakur
5. Jay-Z
6. Ice Cube
7. KRS-One
8. Common
Hate to say this but I can see Kanye creeping in based on his artistic growth. Also, 50 will always be a favourite.
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but jay-z, biggie, and others are preached as bein gods on the mic....
By who exactly? I've never heard anyone make that claim and it's certainly not the majority opinion in this forum.
you got your opinion and everyone else got theirs...understandin or not....noones goin to agree...some will take sides for what its worth
I'm not even sure we're on the same wave length to be honest. It sounds like you're someplace else because plenty of people have agreed. I'm not arguing with Face or Nas being two of the greatest, I'm outright agreeing but I'm still waiting on the example on how they are in another league than Jay or Biggie.
and you mentioned in what sense are face and nas better
dissin
song structure
flow
delivery
i mean it goes on......if anythin biggie is better than jay-z but they arent on face level or nas
Face and Nas have better flow than Biggie or Jay? Examples?
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50 will be in your top 10 of all time?
Now, why is that questionable when you put WC for consideration in your top 7?
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haha nah jimmy i see what you doin...wc is a different artist...im not sayin he should be thrown in automatically...no but hes underrated and jay and biggie are beyond overrated
50 will be in your top 10 of all time?
Now, why is that questionable when you put WC for consideration in your top 7?
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50 will be in your top 10 of all time?
1. Rakim
2. Chuck D (Public Enemy)
3. Nas
4. Tupac Shakur
5. Jay-Z
6. Ice Cube
7. KRS-One
8. Common
Hate to say this but I can see Kanye creeping in based on his artistic growth. Also, 50 will always be a favourite.
That's what I mean about lists. How are we going to rate them?
If we're going to just go straight off personal listening habits. Then yeah. My most played MCs list played would look like this,
Nas
Jay-Z
50
Immortal Technique
Kanye West
Crooked I
Lloyd Banks
Rakim
Bishop Lamont
Game
If you went back less than 2 years ago neither 50 or Banks would have made the list but in the past 2 years I've bumped them an insane amount and it hasn't decreased.
I can usually distinguish between what I really love and enjoy listening to and skill, legacy, influence, etc. Lately, I've been bumping J.Cole & Drake. I don't get stuck in the past. I peep all new artist. Try to keep it moving forward.
Joe Budden would probably make the list. He's in heavy rotation and has been more or less since the Saigon disses. Entire Slaugtherhouse crew also get spins but not as much.
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What's you top ten MCs based on personal listening habits? That's to say what's a list of MCs that have gotten the most play on your ears during your lifetime. The ones you keep going back to and always seem to play tracks from?
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haha nah jimmy i see what you doin...wc is a different artist...im not sayin he should be thrown in automatically...no but hes underrated and jay and biggie are beyond overrated
Generally speaking, anyone that is good enough to be considered one of the greatest of all-time is probably gonna be "beyond overrated" if you weren't much of a fan to begin with. You don't think 2Pac is overrated to some extent by certain people? I think if we're looking at fanbases who take their favorite artist and turn everything he ever records into "the greatest classic ever", I gotta say my vote goes for Tupac and Eminem. Ironically, I'd still call them two of the greatest. I'm not gonna ignore their talent just because their fans think they are bigger than the genre itself. I'm not gonna start bigging up some artist I know isn't better, just because less people acknowledge him and he's not "overrated". A very good artist that is underrated is not better than an incredible artist who is overrated.
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action but see thats the problem or the issue here...or the clarification...
you sayin you werent listenin to banks and 50 2 years ago that much compared to now...right not the 50 and banks you listenin is muzik made from what error?
they havent spit dope lyrics in years IMO
but i listen to muzik from the followin the most
big tray deee
scarface
krs one
erick sermon (new epmd album)
gza
rza
above the law & kokane
50 (and banks from his first album)
la coka nostra
2pac
mr shadow
king t (bonus)
xzibit (bonus)
bishop lamont (bonus bonus)
thats a rough list...but i listen to most of those artists most of the time...not all of their muzik is dope (or i like it all) but most of it is...but that isnt my top 10...jus what i listen to most of the time....i mean theres songs i listen to more than artists period...lol
so a few of them could get shuffled around
i like quality not quantity...
jimmy i feel what your sayin and i agree...you know m cuzzin used to tell me e-40 is one of the greatest (he is), mac dre this, dre dog this....yeah they are dope but they arent on others level...so i had to move to the side and not agree wit him and many others...cuz they tried to tell me and make me believe certain rappers were the best and the only rappers...lol
i branched out and im from the west but i listen to the east too....so pac overrated? i dont think hes overrated...but he released some wack aka commercial muzik...alot of it too but not overrated...he was a dope rapper and he should have hurt jay, mobb deep, biggie more than he did
pac is underrated jus like erick sermon is underrated...its coast 2 coast
haha nah jimmy i see what you doin...wc is a different artist...im not sayin he should be thrown in automatically...no but hes underrated and jay and biggie are beyond overrated
Generally speaking, anyone that is good enough to be considered one of the greatest of all-time is probably gonna be "beyond overrated" if you weren't much of a fan to begin with. You don't think 2Pac is overrated to some extent by certain people? I think if we're looking at fanbases who take their favorite artist and turn everything he ever records into "the greatest classic ever", I gotta say my vote goes for Tupac and Eminem. Ironically, I'd still call them two of the greatest. I'm not gonna ignore their talent just because their fans think they are bigger than the genre itself. I'm not gonna start bigging up some artist I know isn't better, just because less people acknowledge him and he's not "overrated". A very good artist that is underrated is not better than an incredible artist who is overrated.
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What I'm saying is,
1. Top ten lists are always biased and unless you go off an agreed set of factors (such as technical skill, influence, legacy) they always resort to personal favorites.
2. A true top ten list for a listener is not the artist that is the most technical but the artist that gets the most spins over your life. Why? Because, despite not being as technical, they grabbed your ear the longest.
3. You're not giving Jay-Z enough credit. I don't really care about Biggie Smalls but because Jay-Z is such a factor Biggie is too.
4. 2 years I did not listen to 50 or Banks. I changed mentally and now bump both of their catalogues which ranges from power of the dollar days to today.
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aite cool good enough.....but now we have a problem...lol
theres no way IMO that gunit's recent muzik has been anythin near grodt let alone power of the dollar era....its damn near horrible...and that seems to be a fact for the most part on here...i guess thats why we have our own opinion but they have been wack for years...with that in mind its the same thing as to why people think jay and biggie are overrated
the same reason as to why gunit has been wack....jay is overrated and pac is underrated
yeah the top 10 lists will vary and its more of a biased list...altho there are honest people on here...so how bad or off can the list be? ;D
as far as jay not gettin enough credit...he gets way too much credit....way too much...and thats whats wrong
IMO....people give him credit and overlook what he does on the mic and say hes one of the dopest and automatically not cuz of what hes done on the mic but what hes done elsewhere...clothes, etc....otherwise IMO he isnt that dope and many rappers should eat him alive
the production is what makes jay
biggie got dope lines but they are both extremely overrated
aite how come jay-z is the almighty god on the mic but crooked is downplayed? (people say hes dope but he gets alot of hate...but jay dont get hate when he isnt or shouldnt be in the top 10 jus for the same reason crooked, scarface, nas and others should be)
would crooked havin released a cd helped him be higher on this list?
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It really only seems to be you that keep talking about Jay as some god. Outside of the board people tend to like him more because he can make catchy songs, consistent albums, walks the talk, and has longevity.
Jay-Z's New York > most of Crooked-I's material
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As far as 50. I don't think his work has gotten any worst since The Massacre. His magnum opus is Get Rich or Die Trying. Everything else since than hasn't been as good as that but few of it has been horrible (candy shop & amusement park is horrible).
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I really don't have an answer for you about Jay & Crooked. My half ass comment doesn't do either of them justice. So, I'm a just stick with what I said before. Jay clearly connects more through his art. Clearly, he hasn't connected with you but there's a lot more that he has. Crooked hasn't. Technically, i can say crooked hasn't created a dope album or too many dope songs. Great with the bars but I can't say he's transitioned into a great song writer.
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i branched out and im from the west but i listen to the east too....so pac overrated? i dont think hes overrated...but he released some wack aka commercial muzik...alot of it too but not overrated...he was a dope rapper and he should have hurt jay, mobb deep, biggie more than he did
pac is underrated jus like erick sermon is underrated...its coast 2 coast
Pac... is.... UNDERRATED?!?! How? Is there an album, interview, song the guy has made that hasn't been debated to death in countless forums? He is not just some brilliant artist that is revered among his peers and his fans. There are people (I'm not talking dozen, I'm talking hundreds. Maybe thousands) who are convinced he is a musical prophet to the point where if you compare him to another artist that they don't like or respect enough, it strikes them as a personal insult. There are Tupac movies. Tupac college courses. You name it. Yes, he's a compelling, intuiging, and articulate artist and nobody can ever take that from him but underrated? On a historical or pop culture level, what aspect of Pac's career has not gotten enough credit? Which of the albums released in his lifetime isn't called a classic or one of the greatest ever, whether it deserves that title or not? I mean, I seriously fail to see where looking at his career, he has been short-changed of any thing. I mean, every artist that has ever come out since, at one point or another, people have given credit to Pac for something he does. I can't think of any other artist that gets that anywhere and to such a degree.
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i branched out and im from the west but i listen to the east too....so pac overrated? i dont think hes overrated...but he released some wack aka commercial muzik...alot of it too but not overrated...he was a dope rapper and he should have hurt jay, mobb deep, biggie more than he did
pac is underrated jus like erick sermon is underrated...its coast 2 coast
Pac... is.... UNDERRATED?!?! How? Is there an album, interview, song the guy has made that hasn't been debated to death in countless forums? He is not just some brilliant artist that is revered among his peers and his fans. There are people (I'm not talking dozen, I'm talking hundreds. Maybe thousands) who are convinced he is a musical prophet to the point where if you compare him to another artist that they don't like or respect enough, it strikes them as a personal insult. There are Tupac movies. Tupac college courses. You name it. Yes, he's a compelling, intuiging, and articulate artist and nobody can ever take that from him but underrated? On a historical or pop culture level, what aspect of Pac's career has not gotten enough credit? Which of the albums released in his lifetime isn't called a classic or one of the greatest ever, whether it deserves that title or not? I mean, I seriously fail to see where looking at his career, he has been short-changed of any thing. I mean, every artist that has ever come out since, at one point or another, people have given credit to Pac for something he does. I can't think of any other artist that gets that anywhere and to such a degree.
i prefer biggie 8)
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yeah pac has gotten credit in the aspects you mentioned jimmy...but jay shouldnt be gettin as much credit as he does...and thats what i mean...he gets too much credit
IMO lookin back...jay's best at goin at people creatively...hes one of the best at goin at people...nas got him but still jay is dope at when he does that....but still hes too overrated
action are you talkin about new york state of mind by jay >>>>crooked's...entire song disco? lol...its bout to get dirty up nis piece... ;D
i branched out and im from the west but i listen to the east too....so pac overrated? i dont think hes overrated...but he released some wack aka commercial muzik...alot of it too but not overrated...he was a dope rapper and he should have hurt jay, mobb deep, biggie more than he did
pac is underrated jus like erick sermon is underrated...its coast 2 coast
Pac... is.... UNDERRATED?!?! How? Is there an album, interview, song the guy has made that hasn't been debated to death in countless forums? He is not just some brilliant artist that is revered among his peers and his fans. There are people (I'm not talking dozen, I'm talking hundreds. Maybe thousands) who are convinced he is a musical prophet to the point where if you compare him to another artist that they don't like or respect enough, it strikes them as a personal insult. There are Tupac movies. Tupac college courses. You name it. Yes, he's a compelling, intuiging, and articulate artist and nobody can ever take that from him but underrated? On a historical or pop culture level, what aspect of Pac's career has not gotten enough credit? Which of the albums released in his lifetime isn't called a classic or one of the greatest ever, whether it deserves that title or not? I mean, I seriously fail to see where looking at his career, he has been short-changed of any thing. I mean, every artist that has ever come out since, at one point or another, people have given credit to Pac for something he does. I can't think of any other artist that gets that anywhere and to such a degree.
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i can't hate on the Kanye mention.
College Dropout = classic
Late Registration = personal above average album
Graduation = personal classic
you can't hate on that consistancy.
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i can't hate on the Kanye mention.
College Dropout = classic
Late Registration = personal above average album
Graduation = personal classic
you can't hate on that consistancy.
But you can hate on that 4th album that ain't on ya list LMAO. jks, yeah his first 3 albums are the shit.
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i can't hate on the Kanye mention.
College Dropout = classic
Late Registration = personal above average album
Graduation = personal classic
you can't hate on that consistancy.
But you can hate on that 4th album that ain't on ya list LMAO. jks, yeah his first 3 albums are the shit.
people always say "what about 808's though?"; i look at it like, Kanye said himself that album wasn't rap, it was something else, so i don't even consider it an album of his when talking about Hip Hop lol. :P
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but ask him and he thinks he had album of the year....lol
808 bein album of the year
i can't hate on the Kanye mention.
College Dropout = classic
Late Registration = personal above average album
Graduation = personal classic
you can't hate on that consistancy.
But you can hate on that 4th album that ain't on ya list LMAO. jks, yeah his first 3 albums are the shit.
people always say "what about 808's though?"; i look at it like, Kanye said himself that album wasn't rap, it was something else, so i don't even consider it an album of his when talking about Hip Hop lol. :P
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theres no way IMO that gunit's recent muzik has been anythin near grodt let alone power of the dollar era....its damn near horrible...and that seems to be a fact for the most part on here...i guess thats why we have our own opinion but they have been wack for years...with that in mind its the same thing as to why people think jay and biggie are overrated
Well, there in lies the pitfall of having that kind of sucess with your very first album. The same thing happened with Nas and "Illmatic". Snoop and "Doggystyle". So on and so forth.
the same reason as to why gunit has been wack....jay is overrated and pac is underrated
PAC IS NOT UNDERRATED!
aite how come jay-z is the almighty god on the mic but crooked is downplayed? (people say hes dope but he gets alot of hate...but jay dont get hate when he isnt or shouldnt be in the top 10 jus for the same reason crooked, scarface, nas and others should be)
Jay doesn't get hate? Jay's been getting hate for over a decade. Crooked gets downplayed because he doesn't have a hit record. I mean even before 50 turned into the mixtape success story or even took the nine shots, he was the "How To Rob" guy. Crook's got the Hip-Hop Weeklys but let's be real. Jay is Jay, bro.
would crooked havin released a cd helped him be higher on this list?
No. I don't think so. I don't think it's necessarily about how many albums someone puts out. I don't think him being in the game for over a decade and not having a solo album out is doing him favors in that department but it's more about the impact the music you release has. I think Snoop, regardless of how people feel about him today, will always have "Doggystyle". Despite the perceived inability to top that, he created a masterpiece. Crooked never struck when the iron was hot. He's not one of the greatest yet because he hasn't had a career-defining moment.
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yeah pac has gotten credit in the aspects you mentioned jimmy...but jay shouldnt be gettin as much credit as he does...and thats what i mean...he gets too much credit
Well, Jay being overrated is one thing and that has shit to do with Pac.
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but ask him and he thinks he had album of the year....lol
808 bein album of the year
i can't hate on the Kanye mention.
College Dropout = classic
Late Registration = personal above average album
Graduation = personal classic
you can't hate on that consistancy.
But you can hate on that 4th album that ain't on ya list LMAO. jks, yeah his first 3 albums are the shit.
people always say "what about 808's though?"; i look at it like, Kanye said himself that album wasn't rap, it was something else, so i don't even consider it an album of his when talking about Hip Hop lol. :P
well if you ask you or me or any other Hip Hop fans they would say no, it wasn't.
but maybe it was a great album for whatever genre it was; i could bump some shit off of it, can't front. 8)
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i can't hate on the Kanye mention.
College Dropout = classic
Late Registration = personal above average album
Graduation = personal classic
you can't hate on that consistancy.
But you can hate on that 4th album that ain't on ya list LMAO. jks, yeah his first 3 albums are the shit.
people always say "what about 808's though?"; i look at it like, Kanye said himself that album wasn't rap, it was something else, so i don't even consider it an album of his when talking about Hip Hop lol. :P
A album is a album to me, but yeah I feel ya. At the same dime if it would have sold 5 million copies can you imagine the shit talking Kanye would have done? Probably would have said he is the greatest artist since Michael Jackson.
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it has everythin to do wit it...lol
if jay gets so much credit...then pac should get even more credit...that might sound like a kid cryin to get his toy...lol
but jay gettin too much credit and pac not gettin enough...when pac was a better rapper than jay, and biggie put together
crooked gets downplayed cuz he doesnt have a hit record
what does someone havin a hit record have to do with a dope rapper who happens to not have a hit record?
were talkin lyrically here....str8 up lyrics.....i mean crooked absolutely eats a mic....and spits it out...jay-z dont do that with every single song...neither did biggie
if hes dope....if hes the greatest rapper to spit on the mic...but doesnt have a album....he cant be the best rapper?
pac isnt given enough credit...considerin jay is the god...lol
pac needs to be miles ahead of jay and biggie...and all 3 of them made commercial muzik...but pac made the dopest muzik and least commercial IMO
and since d-nice mentioned one of the best ever...
if jay-z is right where he needs to be...even tho he shouldnt be in the top 10...mike jac is in the top 3...of overall muzik...lol
damn this is gettin good....lets get it craccin
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It's not just that Crooked-I doesn't just have a "hit" record. It's that he doesn't have many dope songs or even ONE dope album.
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I don't view Pac career quite the same as you do. I think he sold out quite a bit and changed up both his character and image too much.
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Crooked really doesn't destroy beat either. He can drop hot bars but there is often little playability.
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it has everythin to do wit it...lol
if jay gets so much credit...then pac should get even more credit...that might sound like a kid cryin to get his toy...lol
but jay gettin too much credit and pac not gettin enough...when pac was a better rapper than jay, and biggie put together
Sorry but there's no "like" about. This is just a ridiculous statement to make. Outside of getting his own national holiday, there really isn't anything more you can give Pac. They're both overrated as fucking hell. The fact that you honestly believe that he was better than Big and Jay combined is a testement to that.
it has everythin to do wit it...lol
if jay gets so much credit...then pac should get even more credit...that might sound like a kid cryin to get his toy...lol
but jay gettin too much credit and pac not gettin enough...when pac was a better rapper than jay, and biggie put together
crooked gets downplayed cuz he doesnt have a hit record
what does someone havin a hit record have to do with a dope rapper who happens to not have a hit record?
were talkin lyrically here....str8 up lyrics.....i mean crooked absolutely eats a mic....and spits it out...jay-z dont do that with every single song...neither did biggie
if hes dope....if hes the greatest rapper to spit on the mic...but doesnt have a album....he cant be the best rapper?
If he's the greatest rapper to ever touch a mic, he should probably have one song that is recognized as a "hit". That should go without saying. If you are better than the millions of people who do what you do, there should be something that cements that point home in an argument and I don't think Crook has. I mean, there are plenty of rappers who might not crack my top 25 but I can say they've had that defining moment as a rapper. If you're the best at what you do, you need that.
pac isnt given enough credit...considerin jay is the god...lol
Again, you're beating us with this "Jay is the God" shit. Nobody ever said that besides you and you were doing it in a mocking manner so how about we throw that one on a jersey and put it up to the rafters already? It's like you've created your own ridicilously overblown statement that you can keep going to even though the people you're arguing with don't endorse it at all.
if jay-z is right where needs to be...even tho he should be in the top 10...mike jac is in the top 3...of overall muzik...lol
damn this is gettin good....lets get it craccin
Well, if we're talking about modern pop music, I'd easily say Jacko was top 3.
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holy shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
crooked dont have many dope songs....see this the shhhhh im talkin about...you and others say crooked this n that but jay-z=god...goat etc...
crooked got a gang of dope songs...no album yeah but not many dope songs or album?
he has albums worth....he has made some of the dopest muzik from the coast he represents....so havin a hit record or not has nuthin to do with what hes already done...
hes already made dope song after dope song.....so again i go back to my basis of...if someone has made dope muzik....dope muzik is separate from no album, wack rapper, etc...crooked is dope and one of the best without a album correct, but not many dope songs.....holy shhhhhh.....you gon give people a heart attack wit this 1...lol
and jimmy...many have made jay that god on here...maybe not recently but they have...and they will again...jus wait ;)
It's not just that Crooked-I doesn't just have a "hit" record. It's that he doesn't have many dope songs or even ONE dope album.
thats cool....he did sell out but not as much as jay and biggie IMO
I don't view Pac career quite the same as you do. I think he sold out quite a bit and changed up both his character and image too much.
doesnt destroy the beat? are we talkin about the same crooked? lol
Crooked really doesn't destroy beat either. He can drop hot bars but there is often little playability.
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I don't view Pac career quite the same as you do. I think he sold out quite a bit and changed up both his character and image too much.
That's also another point I meant to touch on. "Selling out" implies someone compromisng their integrity as an artist or individual for fianical or commercial reasons. A lot of people seem to think that any artist that changes their style or ventures/experiments with other styles of music is a "sell-out". Jay has always embraced the fact that he wanted to be a more commercial artist so I really can't see where he's that big of a sell-out. Pac has definitely been contradictory through a lot of his career but I don't know if I'd say he sold out. I do think it's funny how he gets passes on some of his moves when certain other artists get cruicifed for doing similar shit.
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Biggie nor Jay sold out in my opinion. Did they switch up the game and embrace different sounds? Yeah, but that's not selling out to me.
Crooked has about ten dope songs...hip-hop weeklys don't count, and most of his street tape material isn't that good. Hell, to date, Bishop Lamont street tape material > Crooked I's. The funny part is Crooked I bars > Bishop lamont bars but he's missing that it. A couple tracks crooked really shined on but he's missing something.
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damn didnt know you dislike crooked that much... ;D
but IMO he has more 10 dope songs....its all good...you like the muzik you like and vice versa...but damn
aite action...we and others jus disagree....i c you like mobb deep's blood money...there were some on here who hate that album, and i agree wit em
and jimmy...i have talked to people who have praised jay-z as the goat....cd after cd...but he dont release dope muzik cd after cd....then i see someone who bought the blueprint 3...asked why the hell did they buy that wack album? they laughed..they thought it was gon be dope.... ;D
but they still want to make him the god...so its not jus on here....elsewhere also
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and jimmy...i have talked to people who have praised jay-z as the goat....cd after cd...but he dont release dope muzik cd after cd...
You could say the same fucking thing about Ice Cube. What's your point?
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true and thats why when it comes to str8 up lyrical delivery and format....cube shouldnt be goat, nor jay and biggie...exactly...thats my point ;)
and jimmy...i have talked to people who have praised jay-z as the goat....cd after cd...but he dont release dope muzik cd after cd...
You could say the same fucking thing about Ice Cube. What's your point?
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true and thats why when it comes to str8 up lyrical delivery and format....cube shouldnt be goat, nor jay and biggie...exactly...thats my point ;)
So I guess we can take Scarface and Nas off the list too?
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scarface is better than them lyrically tho...and thats what ive been sayin all along
that scarface is better than them lyrically and how he can make a song and jus str8 up murder everythin around him....listen to his muzik again...its there...lol
and nas yeah...when he wants to be he should and can/has killed jay, biggie, cube...not recently...but he has/can/should
true and thats why when it comes to str8 up lyrical delivery and format....cube shouldnt be goat, nor jay and biggie...exactly...thats my point ;)
So I guess we can take Scarface and Nas off the list too?
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Right where? All these dudes are nice. That's what I'm getting at. You're preaching to the converted on Scarface. Dude is one of my favorite rappers. Point is outside of that I personally prefer him over Jay. I don't see where you get that he's so far ahead in terms of lyrics.
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he is...hes more technical
hes more interestin...(makes you want to listen)
hes more complicated
he has a stronger flow
hes less commercial...more street
jay might have those but not as much as face and nas
jay-z will never be able to top ether....never IMO
right in his albums.. ;D...jay-z albums arent as dope as face....sides that, face flow surpasses jay-z, and biggies years ago....i jus hope he comes thru again wit his new album...his latest album wasnt all that good but he still went in on lil troy and it was an aite album...but damn did he kill the album before....some of those traxx are better than many jay-z traxx..again give scarface everythin he needs....he will make a masterpiece...and hes come close to makin em...hes said it time and time again...he hates the industry...given that he hates the industry and the commercial wayne industry....what he still does for bein a rapper...is dope
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It always comes off as I'm hating on Crooked I but I'm not. I love Crooked I. I've nearly downloaded all of his material. He's gotten better with age. More or less my opinion on Crooked I is this,
For someone with all that god damn skill it doesn't make any sense why he hasn't released a classic collection of tracks. I don't care if you have a hit or if you have an official major label album. Bishop Lamont released free street tapes that I consider classic (Nigger Noize, Caltroit, & The Confessional) and beyond most major label albums. I feel that Crooked I hasn't tapped into his true potential. I don't know why but I don't feel like he has shined the way he should.
The closest artist I can bring up that reminded me of Crooked I is Joe Budden. Budden felt like a lost artist always ranting on and on but since Slaughterhouse his song crafting has shapened up, and his final product (mixing) has improved. Granted I haven't heard Great Escape but based on the leaks it's shaping up to be the album of his career. The one he was destined to make.
I guess I'm just waiting for Crooked I to live up to his shoes and fulfill his destiny. Sounds corny but best way to describe how I'm feeling as a fan.
Edit:
To clarify I don't love crooked I. Makes me sound like a stan which should be clear I'm not...at least I don't think I am. I just think he's a great artists and love his art work.
Double edit:
As for Jay-Z these are the albums that get rotation from me,
Reasonable Doubt, Blueprint, Black Album, Kingdom Come, American Gangster, and Blueprint 3
I like BP3. I don't consider it a classic. It's a Kanye West album done by Jay-Z. It's a good album.
Compared to Nas which I bump damn near every single album but The Firm.
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nah its not that your hatin...but its overall hate...lol
as in why does someone get that much negative feedback when they are so dope...but someone like jay-z isnt that dope in comparison to nas, scarface, krs one, even crooked...album or no album...crooked is dope
him not havin a album...and all that, i agree
and bishop doin the street tapes...yeah they are dope..and its sad crooked didnt use the same formula but yet he went the sellin route and block obama and young boss..that whole approach was all over the place and boss still isnt here...his business isnt the best...but lyrically him makin a song...damn hes somethin else...and he should have done better on what was posed to be a explosive album...but he aswell as others didnt come thru 100%
and him gettin akon on a hook...that was a bad and desperate move...in which he later found out he prolly shouldnt have done in the first place
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Face hates the commercial Wayne industry? Wasn't Lil Wayne on his last album?
You can reiterate the same comments over and over again but without some kind of example, you're not painting much of a picture for me. Even the points I agree with you on, you'd be in dead in the water if left to your own devices to prove. Nobody is arguing that the guy is dope. I'd even give you that he might better than these cats in a lot of these areas but you're talking like like its miles ahead when I don't think that's the case.
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On that note, it's all love and I said my piece. I hope they all enter golden eras and release massive amounts of music. Hope the bullshit label crap pulls through and we get another slaughterhouse album backed with even better production. just blaze beat!?! yes sir. hope crooked i gets a dope album out and i'm a take the free shit all day any day.
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so yeah..
shame Slaughterhouse isn't signed to Shady.
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Yeah. Fucking label politics.
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Action! - I actually completly get where you are coming from.
Crooked has bag's of potential of course he has but...
When Suge got out of jail he has kurupt, crook, eastwood etc and I personally got the impression that suge was in fear of releasing them in case they didnt go platinum, something that deathrow of old had prided itself on. I could never understand why they didnt release something to generate buzz and build on it with better promo the next time.
Crooked seems to have the same problem he seems to have been gearing up for his BIG BIG album for over a century!
The amount of of material he must have piled up from over the years, that he clearly will not use for an album because every time he changes the name of his album he says he is starting again.
He could put together a couple of quality albums tomorrow release them for free or cheap digitally and generate more exposure and buzz.
I know he puts out his fair share of freestyles but i am being greedy?
I dont
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It always comes off as I'm hating on Crooked I but I'm not. I love Crooked I. I've nearly downloaded all of his material. He's gotten better with age. More or less my opinion on Crooked I is this,
For someone with all that god damn skill it doesn't make any sense why he hasn't released a classic collection of tracks. I don't care if you have a hit or if you have an official major label album. Bishop Lamont released free street tapes that I consider classic (Nigger Noize, Caltroit, & The Confessional) and beyond most major label albums. I feel that Crooked I hasn't tapped into his true potential. I don't know why but I don't feel like he has shined the way he should.
The closest artist I can bring up that reminded me of Crooked I is Joe Budden. Budden felt like a lost artist always ranting on and on but since Slaughterhouse his song crafting has shapened up, and his final product (mixing) has improved. Granted I haven't heard Great Escape but based on the leaks it's shaping up to be the album of his career. The one he was destined to make.
I guess I'm just waiting for Crooked I to live up to his shoes and fulfill his destiny. Sounds corny but best way to describe how I'm feeling as a fan.
Edit:
To clarify I don't love crooked I. Makes me sound like a stan which should be clear I'm not...at least I don't think I am. I just think he's a great artists and love his art work.
Double edit:
As for Jay-Z these are the albums that get rotation from me,
Reasonable Doubt, Blueprint, Black Album, Kingdom Come, American Gangster, and Blueprint 3
I like BP3. I don't consider it a classic. It's a Kanye West album done by Jay-Z. It's a good album.
Compared to Nas which I bump damn near every single album but The Firm.
I totally agree with that statement. When I think about how so many rappers have had at least moderate success via the independent or digital route, I'm not sure why Crooked I hasn't tried something like that. The thing is, even if he put out an independent or digital release and it didn't sell well, I don't think it would hurt him in the long run. And at the very least, he's getting more material out and thus promoting himself more.
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yeah he does and you know when he went and got t.i., and wayne and even the petey pablo...that made me look at him differently..but hes still the king of spitters str8 up...wayne wants to be better than jay....not many can be better than face.....thats the difference....
jimmy....whats your list of top 10 rappers of all time....were talkin str8 lyrical here....good lookin if you can do this
Face hates the commercial Wayne industry? Wasn't Lil Wayne on his last album?
You can reiterate the same comments over and over again but without some kind of example, you're not painting much of a picture for me. Even the points I agree with you on, you'd be in dead in the water if left to your own devices to prove. Nobody is arguing that the guy is dope. I'd even give you that he might better than these cats in a lot of these areas but you're talking like like its miles ahead when I don't think that's the case.
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these guys stay getting fucked by the record industry
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so yeah..
shame Slaughterhouse isn't signed to Shady.
;D
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jimmy....whats your list of top 10 rappers of all time....were talkin str8 lyrical here....good lookin if you can do this
Alright off the top of my grill, I'd say guys that come to mind when I think greatest MC's (as far as being the total package), I'd say, in no order:
2Pac
Notorious B.I.G.
Eminem
Ice Cube
Scarface
Nas
KRS-One
Jay-Z
You asked for lyrical, so I'm assuming you'd mean who I think are the ten greatest lyricists. I'd say
Eminem
Nas
Jay-Z
Rakim
KRS-One
Kurupt
Notorious B.I.G.
Big Pun
Jadakiss
Raekwon
Again, this is me rushing out the door to go to work so I'm probably overlooking some pretty important ones but I'll leave it at that for now and do the correcting when the time comes.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/yPdevf4bS9w
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2Pac
Notorious B.I.G.
Eminem
Ice Cube
Scarface
Nas
KRS-One
Jay-Z
If you remove KRS & face you get the top 8 lists of 12 year old kids who know nothing of these artists let alone hip hop
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^you tryna say Tupac, Nas, Ice Cube & Eminem aren't Top 10 worthy? :D
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aite jimmy...ima wait til you lock it in....that big l joint is dope cham...i need to listen to more of his stuff...
big l>>>biggie....lol
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2Pac
Notorious B.I.G.
Eminem
Ice Cube
Scarface
Nas
KRS-One
Jay-Z
If you remove KRS & face you get the top 8 lists of 12 year old kids who know nothing of these artists let alone hip hop
Well, great. Maybe I should add more obscure names that I don't think are as good just so I can seem like a grown-up to people in a hip-hop forum.
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naw, jimmy h, fuck that shit. too many lame internet folks got ego problems when it comes to enjoying popular artist
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lol
naw, jimmy h, fuck that shit. too many lame internet folks got ego problems when it comes to enjoying popular artist
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naw, jimmy h, fuck that shit. too many lame internet folks got ego problems when it comes to enjoying popular artist
It's like "Oh no! I better roll up my windows when I listen to Jay-Z, people might hear me playing an artist they feature on MTV and I'll be called a fake hip-hop fan."
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2Pac
Notorious B.I.G.
Eminem
Ice Cube
Scarface
Nas
KRS-One
Jay-Z
If you remove KRS & face you get the top 8 lists of 12 year old kids who know nothing of these artists let alone hip hop
Well, great. Maybe I should add more obscure names that I don't think are as good just so I can seem like a grown-up to people in a hip-hop forum.
just saying.
and jay & BIg are no top 10
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ikke whos in your top ten then...good to seee jay and big not in there...lol
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just saying.
and jay & BIg are no top 10
Oh, but they are.
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but to you they are...how can they be in everyones top 10? lol
just saying.
and jay & BIg are no top 10
Oh, but they are.
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but to you they are...how can they be in everyones top 10? lol
Well, if that's your counter-argument, that rationale should extend to every artist I named and not just the two that you or somebody else don't like.
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true but damn jay and biggie are overrated...lol
but to you they are...how can they be in everyones top 10? lol
Well, if that's your counter-argument, that rationale should extend to every artist I named and not just the two that you or somebody else don't like.
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So is 2Pac... So is Eminem... So is Ice Cube.
true but damn jay and biggie are overrated...lol
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B2T ANYONE? goddamn...
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Tupac = multiple classics
Ice Cube = multiple classics
Eminem = two classics & since you want to throw Biggie & Jay-Z in their for simply impact reasons, you HAVE to put Eminem in then lol.
Biggie has one classic & then fell off on his second, solid though; Jay-Z has Reasonable Doubt & the rest of his discography is under constant argument weather it's classic or not; i say The Black Album is a classic, but i wouldn't put it in the same conversation as any Tupac, Eminem or Ice Cube classic lol.
where you have Pac, Cube & Eminem who have basically certified classic albums.
now if you truly believe Jay's got classics, you're more than welcome to say he does; but to just say "Jay's impact, blah, blah, blah" is just an insult to people who have made the actual classics lol.
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just saying.
and jay & BIg are no top 10
Oh, but they are.
Reasonable doubt wasn't a certified classic untill jay started promoting it as one.
B.I.G. would probally have snoop status if he lived.
Kool G Rap
Rakim
KRs-One
Big L
Nas
Canibus
Pharoahe monch
Slick Rick
Big Daddy Kane
GZA
here are 10 NY Rappers better then B.I.G.
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there is no top ten. goddamn this isnt sports or anything where you can compare statistics (and even that is relative), people have their own tastes and like to listen to the shit that they enjoy. some of you guys take this shit way too serious. i mean were talking about rap music here. what is we talkin about? rap music, man
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there is no top ten. goddamn this isnt sports or anything where you can compare statistics (and even that is relative), people have their own tastes and like to listen to the shit that they enjoy. some of you guys take this shit way too serious
True, people often forget the subjective aspect of music when discussing it.
Like my dad says: There is no bad music, aslong as 1 person enjoys it it's good.
Like L Said "I just hate it when a rapper gets the credit that he don't deserve", I give props where props is due but rappers like big & Jay are so overrated
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if Biggie was alive, he wouldn't even be relevant; which is odd because you'd think he'd be more relevant if he was alive.
but like Ikke said, he'd be on some Snoop shit; i can't see him making a near duplicate of Ready To Die, he would of progressively gotten worse & worse.
& you can't tell me i'm wrong because you guys only put him as one of the "GOATs" because you speculate that he would of rebounded & made more classics.
Biggie's entire career is speculation & it's a shame that he can make one classic & live off his hype & Pac beef to put him in some class of his own.
there is no top ten. goddamn this isnt sports or anything where you can compare statistics (and even that is relative), people have their own tastes and like to listen to the shit that they enjoy. some of you guys take this shit way too serious. i mean were talking about rap music here. what is we talkin about? rap music, man
of course there isn't, but you need arguments.
EDIT: i mean, if there was some fourteen year old on the board preaching Lil' Wayne is one of the top five rappers ever, you already know you would be up in that bitch just straight schoolin' the youngin'.
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now if you truly believe Jay's got classics, you're more than welcome to say he does; but to just say "Jay's impact, blah, blah, blah" is just an insult to people who have made the actual classics lol.
It's not an insult to anyone except uptight hip-hop fans. Of course, impact is relevant in an argument of greatness. You might have any number of albums that people will argue about classics but when mother fuckers borrow your lines and your style and you influence the way the next group of rappers does things, that to me is greatness. Whether you have one classic or nine, it don't matter. I'm not numbering these mother fuckers and saying one is better than the other, most of you are. I'm saying the guys I named did their thing. And for the record, I do truly believe Jay has classics. I'd put Black Album above Reasonable Doubt.
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aite but jimmy if a rapper has made better classics or can make better muzik...or is a better rapper than ...in this case jay-z...then thats kind of like what cham is sayin
so jay-z level of classic dont equal the level of classic pac was on...to some...cham? lol
and yeah id put black album over reasonable doubt too..
would you also put a nas album over illmatic?
;D
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This is something Ive never understood about why Jay z gets put in with greatest of all time talk.Whenever he does a song with other big name artists he ALWAYS gets outshined.Hell he even got outshined on that song with TI lil wayne and kanye.Kanye west murders Jay z on his own sgons all the time,as does beanie sigel.
It's just the Emperors New Clothes scenario. From the time he came out he was so well marketed by Rockefella/Def Jam that everybody believed he was a legend without him ever actually proving he was a legend in the first place.
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I'd say Illmatic is on a level of its own. In many ways comparing great albums is like comparing great rappers, if they serve their ultimate purpose, one is not better than the other. For instance, Stillmatic, I'd say is a classic. But it's Chronic vs. 2001. Two albums, two different feelings behind them. That's where I feel with a lot of great MC's, it's like nobody can do them but them. I can't tell you what's better a movie --- Jaws or Goodfellas? They're both classics and it's only a matter of what I want to watch that day. Pac is one of the greatest MC's in rap but he's not the all-encompassing be-all end-all of hip-hop music. It's really touchy in some cases because people get so passionate about it but so many people just lose track of that diversity with music. Pac is their favorite so for anybody else to be "great", they have to compare to Pac and I think people need to move past that. There's one fucking Tupac and he ain't coming back. For anybody to tell me that Tupac had a better flow than Biggie or Jay-Z, it's like, come on, man. You don't have to say they're better but at least, be honest with yourself. It's the same with any of these other rappers, they all get their own niche. Pac was in my mind, the greatest WRITER that hip-hop will probably ever have for a long time but as far as great LYRICISTS, I don't think he's even top 20.
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alotta dukes were hatin but at the same time there were high expectations for a group with one of the dopest rappers and 3 of.....close to bein the dope rappers on it but it wasnt as dope as many expected...lol
What the fuck are you saying here?
You keep typing riddles man. Up your damn writing.
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preach, chuuuuch!!
we talking bout practice......? practice.....?
there is no top ten. goddamn this isnt sports or anything where you can compare statistics (and even that is relative), people have their own tastes and like to listen to the shit that they enjoy. some of you guys take this shit way too serious. i mean were talking about rap music here. what is we talkin about? rap music, man
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if Biggie was alive, he wouldn't even be relevant; which is odd because you'd think he'd be more relevant if he was alive.
but like Ikke said, he'd be on some Snoop shit; i can't see him making a near duplicate of Ready To Die, he would of progressively gotten worse & worse.
& you can't tell me i'm wrong because you guys only put him as one of the "GOATs" because you speculate that he would of rebounded & made more classics.
again cham your logic is very contradictory, why put big l on the list when its EXTREMELY arguable wether he had a classic or not. lifestylez is a personal fav album of mine. prob inmy top 50 records, but its NOT classic. i just like it a whole lot. so im confused as why you shit on big for having only one classic but love someone who never had a classic. so again why not just say you are not a big fan of biggie instead of using stupid arguments like "he only had one classic" or "he would be shit if he survived". you dont know that kid! life after death isnt classic i agree but its not a bad record. its got a lot of hot tracks, and if it was down to only 1 disc it would be very close, if not a classic.
yes i can tell you you are wrong because you dont have a fucking clue. you cant make statements like that. youre obviously a kid who has no idea how big a record like life after death was/is and you talk about like it was some flop. IT WAS A HUGE RECORD, it just wasnt amazing, it was still good overall and great in parts. i really dont care if you rate biggie or not but you cant make completely ridiculous statements like that just because u dont like him. unless you have some magical power that lets u see into the future then its best not to say shit like that and talk about it like its fucking gospel.
you say fans speculate that "he woulda made more classics". to be honest i dont think big needs anymore classics, he cemented his place in hip-hop and left his mark. he left us a classic album which is a lot more than 99% of rappers ever did. its funny that all the shit you talk about being relevant, and yet you are a joe budden fan probably one of the most irrelevant rappers still going today. now THAT.... is hilarious
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if Biggie was alive, he wouldn't even be relevant; which is odd because you'd think he'd be more relevant if he was alive.
but like Ikke said, he'd be on some Snoop shit; i can't see him making a near duplicate of Ready To Die, he would of progressively gotten worse & worse.
& you can't tell me i'm wrong because you guys only put him as one of the "GOATs" because you speculate that he would of rebounded & made more classics.
again cham your logic is very contradictory, why put big l on the list when its EXTREMELY arguable wether he had a classic or not. lifestylez is a personal fav album of mine. prob inmy top 50 records, but its NOT classic. i just like it a whole lot. so im confused as why you shit on big for having only one classic but love someone who never had a classic. so again why not just say you are not a big fan of biggie instead of using stupid arguments like "he only had one classic" or "he would be shit if he survived". you dont know that kid! life after death isnt classic i agree but its not a bad record. its got a lot of hot tracks, and if it was down to only 1 disc it would be very close, if not a classic.
yes i can tell you you are wrong because you dont have a fucking clue. you cant make statements like that. youre obviously a kid who has no idea how big a record like life after death was/is and you talk about like it was some flop. IT WAS A HUGE RECORD, it just wasnt amazing, it was still good overall and great in parts. i really dont care if you rate biggie or not but you cant make completely ridiculous statements like that just because u dont like him. unless you have some magical power that lets u see into the future then its best not to say shit like that and talk about it like its fucking gospel.
you say fans speculate that "he woulda made more classics". to be honest i dont think big needs anymore classics, he cemented his place in hip-hop and left his mark. he left us a classic album which is a lot more than 99% of rappers ever did. its funny that all the shit you talk about being relevant, and yet you are a joe budden fan probably one of the most irrelevant rappers still going today. now THAT.... is hilarious
You say lifestylez isn't classic.
radiotube's opinion > yours
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ikke you a fool... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
how come biggie's album is classic but not big l when big l had a big impact on the scene too...maybe not as big as biggie but biggie's overrated...lol
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I dont understand how someone can call All eyez on me uneven and messy and then call life after death classic.I skip half the songs on lad,some of the songs are just downright horrible.Yeah theirs some great tracks but theirs a lot of r and b ish jiggy crap on the album.
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if Biggie was alive, he wouldn't even be relevant; which is odd because you'd think he'd be more relevant if he was alive.
but like Ikke said, he'd be on some Snoop shit; i can't see him making a near duplicate of Ready To Die, he would of progressively gotten worse & worse.
& you can't tell me i'm wrong because you guys only put him as one of the "GOATs" because you speculate that he would of rebounded & made more classics.
again cham your logic is very contradictory, why put big l on the list when its EXTREMELY arguable wether he had a classic or not. lifestylez is a personal fav album of mine. prob inmy top 50 records, but its NOT classic. i just like it a whole lot. so im confused as why you shit on big for having only one classic but love someone who never had a classic. so again why not just say you are not a big fan of biggie instead of using stupid arguments like "he only had one classic" or "he would be shit if he survived". you dont know that kid! life after death isnt classic i agree but its not a bad record. its got a lot of hot tracks, and if it was down to only 1 disc it would be very close, if not a classic.
yes i can tell you you are wrong because you dont have a fucking clue. you cant make statements like that. youre obviously a kid who has no idea how big a record like life after death was/is and you talk about like it was some flop. IT WAS A HUGE RECORD, it just wasnt amazing, it was still good overall and great in parts. i really dont care if you rate biggie or not but you cant make completely ridiculous statements like that just because u dont like him. unless you have some magical power that lets u see into the future then its best not to say shit like that and talk about it like its fucking gospel.
you say fans speculate that "he woulda made more classics". to be honest i dont think big needs anymore classics, he cemented his place in hip-hop and left his mark. he left us a classic album which is a lot more than 99% of rappers ever did. its funny that all the shit you talk about being relevant, and yet you are a joe budden fan probably one of the most irrelevant rappers still going today. now THAT.... is hilarious
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