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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: Don Seer on December 05, 2002, 05:58:20 AM
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fresh from cnn.com.... ohhhh weeeeeee.......... get worried :-\
Al Qaeda: 'Gift' of terror on its way
Thursday, December 5, 2002 Posted: 6:30 AM EST (1130 GMT)
Last week's attack in Kenya, claimed by al Qaeda, destroyed the Israeli-owned Paradise Hotel and killed 13.
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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The end of Ramadan has stirred renewed concerns over the threat of a terrorist attack against U.S. citizens and the nation's allies.
Earlier this week, an al Qaeda statement posted to the Internet threatened a strike to coincide with the end of the Muslim holy season -- which is December 5 and 6. The statement said, "You have not learned your lesson."
"You did not understand the reasons for the raids of Washington and New York," said the al Qaeda statement posted on several Web sites that have carried al Qaeda messages in the past.
"Oh American people, you are the victim of your leaders, but you are also a partner in the war on us. The gift for the holiday is on its way," the statement continued.
U.S. intelligence officials said they were "mindful" of such threats and "not dismissive" of them. But, as one source said, "A heightened state of alert has been there for some time," including threats of attacks immediately before Ramadan, during it and immediately following the holiday.
Al Qaeda's mode of operation has changed since the U.S.-led bombing campaign in Afghanistan put its leaders on the run. The group now is apparently choosing "softer" targets that are easy to hit.
One example was last Thursday's twin attacks in Kenya -- a suicide bombing that killed 13 people at an Israeli-owned hotel and an unsuccessful missile firing at an Israeli airliner. Another was the October 12 bombing of a tourist hotel in usually serene Bali, Indonesia, that killed nearly 200 people.
Al Qaeda claimed responsibility for all three attacks. The organization claimed responsibility for the Kenya attacks in the same statement threatening new strikes at the end of Ramadan.
In another development Wednesday, the Arab news network Al-Jazeera said it received a fax purportedly from Taliban leader Mullah Mohammed Omar, one of the most wanted men in the world.
Titled an "end of Ramadan statement," the letter said America and its allies were spreading destruction and would face more "hostility, chaos and destruction."
The letter has not been authenticated. One U.S. official could not vouch for its authenticity but said it is credible in the sense that is similar to what Omar has said in the past.
The United States believes Omar is alive but it is not known where he is hiding, the official said. Al-Jazeera would not tell CNN from what country it received the fax.
With the threats swirling, British officials closed their embassy in the Kenyan capital of Nairobi on Wednesday after officials received a "specific threat." They would not identify the nature of the threat.
In Washington, President Bush said he believes al Qaeda was behind the Kenya attacks and that bin Laden's group "hates freedom."
"I believe al Qaeda will strike anywhere they can in order to disrupt a civil society and that's why we're on the hunt," he said.
The United States and its allies, Bush said, are "slowly but surely" dismantling al Qaeda and he promised to "bring them to justice."
In the al Qaeda statement, the group warned Americans to leave Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Africa and Asia: "Otherwise, you will reap death because of your stupidity in ignoring our warnings to you."
from http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/12/05/terror.threats/index.html
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man.....that aint cool
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well, tomorrow is going to be quite a day if its true since the 5th is pretty much over. unless they try something tonight. i hope this doesn't happen again
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I am going to the mall tommorow. If I see any Muslims, I am going to try and keep my eyes on them. They are saying that they might attack shopping malls.
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man they aint gonna do shit, i am tired of hearing this bs falsereports. allz these punk mo fuckers are are talk
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ohh yeah..... they never did anything bad before.... ::)
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I am going to the mall tommorow. If I see any Muslims, I am going to try and keep my eyes on them. They are saying that they might attack shopping malls.
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ohh yeah..... they never did anything bad before.... ::)
no i didnty say that, i jus meant aint no shit else gonna happen. oh yea....by tha way....dec 6th is gone and aint shit happen
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cnn reported it not me...
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all i got to say is that al queera is the dumbest set of people alive......their main objective is what.....to bring peace in the muslum world......yet they attack the biggest and most powerful nation on earth and expect to bring peace back to the muslum world....the middle east has even MORE chaos now than it did pre 9/11 and they're STILL trying to stir up shit with the US and it's allies........i don't know but if it were trying to bring peace to east BAKERSFIELD i wouldn't go to every gang members mom's house and kill their mom's to make a point about gang violence and not expect a reation......i mean come on it's just plain stupid
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all i got to say is that al queera is the dumbest set of people alive......their main objective is what.....to bring peace in the muslum world......yet they attack the biggest and most powerful nation on earth and expect to bring peace back to the muslum world....the middle east has even MORE chaos now than it did pre 9/11 and they're STILL trying to stir up shit with the US and it's allies........i don't know but if it were trying to bring peace to east BAKERSFIELD i wouldn't go to every gang members mom's house and kill their mom's to make a point about gang violence and not expect a reation......i mean come on it's just plain stupid
Actually their main objective is to defend the Muslim Umma. (community) So if a group or country of Muslims is being oppressed they will fight back against those oppressors. I'm not a scholar so I can't say for certain if what they are doing is right. The Scholars and Islamic leaders have not reached any clear agreement on the matter as far as I know.
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I'm sure you can find the answer out using your own logic. I found your comment interesting though since your implying that none of your thoughts on islam are your own. You're not a scholar therefore your thoughts can't deviate from that of the scholars. Thats you're choice to make, but I never thought thinking was a bad thing. In this case you can't claim yourself intelligent only knowledgable. And the different between knowledge in one man to knowledge in another is only exposure. Therefore, you lose any ability to condemn other people for lacking intelligence because whether or not you are more knowledgeable you don't think you only repeat.
I guess it depends on a person's ideals, but take a misinformed individual on this board. That individual might not have been exposed to the wealth of knowledge you have been, but they may think more deeply using the limited knowledge base they have. Intellectually that would sort of make you inferior to every thinking member on this board. Even if your view are correct you never thought them up on your own. Whereas most other people have used their mind to develop their views.
I was reading about Islam the other day and I learned that Imam's are taught to bring new members into the faith at as young an age as possible. Some authors on the subject of free will claim free will exists in a lesser form until we are given the ability to think through a decision thoroughly. Well in this instance, a child (or confused youth) is at a disadvantage when being propositioned to enter islam since their intellect has to be able to challenge the persuasive abilities of the older and more experienced Imam. This Imam firmly believes that all individual's should enter islam, and has spent however many years practicing this process of pesuading individual's to convert. This is not because he is a bad person, but because he believes it is the right thing to do. Either way, he most likely has developed his pesuasive skills such that they are easily able to win over a child or a misguided youth.
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I mentioned this because in your comment you kind of said you do not think. And admitted that your thinking does not match that of a islamic scholar. Well then, depending upon your ideals this could pose an interesting problem. My ideals are such that individual's should have freedom to develop their own thinking, but exposure to many different forms of thinking (in the form of islam, christianity, philisophy, etc) However, islam has created a situation where an individual's right to think are stolen from them at a very young age.
Under these assumption the growing size of islam represents the growing size of the non-thinking (although knowledgeable) population.
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Ant what about children who grow up being taught any faith is true, surely they are non-thinking? And thus it's not just the growth of Islam that is increasing the "non-thinking population".
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Well it all depends. Islam as infinite tells us is a methodology and as inifinite demonstrated muslim views must follow with the view of the muslim scholars. Other religions that present ideals but do not force their ideals upon their members are a different situation.
The fact that islam is a methodology tells us it encourages non thinking. I have this same problem with other religions too. In the book of gensis, Adam and Eve were punished for their curiosity. This story hints that we should not question God and since the bible is God's word, and priests or rabbi's his messengers we should not question them either. Therefore, orthodox believers sacrifice their free will and their ability to think. In the situation of islam were your encouraged to be an orthodox believer the problem is more exagerrated. Christianity has gained a lot of tolerance for new beliefs in recent years, and at least in the west judaism has also.
This is kinda of theoretical and I'm not expecting people to firmly believe what I wrote. Just consider the possible consequences of "faith".
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I am going to the mall tommorow. If I see any Muslims, I am going to try and keep my eyes on them. They are saying that they might attack shopping malls.
HELL YEAH, lol. I'm already suspicious of all muslims... Yall can call me bigoted, but like the pound would say, What would U do? I don't know what to think anymore. I've been taught (and honestly; I have) that muslims are good people, and I believe that, and I know that's true. But; when you got every muslim I see on t.v. burning flags, rejoicing at u.s. death, I'm gonna keep an eye on every muslim I see.
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all i got to say is that al queera is the dumbest set of people alive......their main objective is what.....to bring peace in the muslum world......yet they attack the biggest and most powerful nation on earth and expect to bring peace back to the muslum world....the middle east has even MORE chaos now than it did pre 9/11 and they're STILL trying to stir up shit with the US and it's allies........i don't know but if it were trying to bring peace to east BAKERSFIELD i wouldn't go to every gang members mom's house and kill their mom's to make a point about gang violence and not expect a reation......i mean come on it's just plain stupid
EXACTLY. No matter how people try to package it, or how people try to rationalize it, or see it from their perspective, they're all coked out. It makes 0 sense, they're all the stupidist sons of bitches alive.
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The fact that islam is a methodology tells us it encourages non thinking. I have this same problem with other religions too. In the book of gensis, Adam and Eve were punished for their curiosity. This story hints that we should not question God and since the bible is God's word, and priests or rabbi's his messengers we should not question them either. Therefore, orthodox believers sacrifice their free will and their ability to think. In the situation of islam were your encouraged to be an orthodox believer the problem is more exagerrated. Christianity has gained a lot of tolerance for new beliefs in recent years, and at least in the west judaism has also.
This is kinda of theoretical and I'm not expecting people to firmly believe what I wrote. Just consider the possible consequences of "faith".
Good argument, and you make a lot of valid points, that can also be said about Christianity; however, I have two things to touch on.
1. Adam and Eve weren't punished for their curiosity. They were punished for their disobediance. If your kid walks out the back door of the house, and walks into the creek and gets his clothes all wet; then that's your fault... but if you SPECIFICALLY told the kid to never go near the creek... then that's HIS fault. See the difference? Everything in the garden, EVERYTHING was theres, except the fruit on the tree, and what do they do? LOL .. But most people misunderstand Adam and Eve anyways, it was all in the plan, Adam fell so that men may be. I'll put it this way... Adam and Eve weren't punished.
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2. Your thoughts about believing everything someone tells you and not questioning them etc. etc. don't extend to my religion, although you may feel that way on the outside. People are told to always pray about anything, any ideal, anything taught in the church, and decide for themselves whether or not it is a true ideal. For instance, we're told Jesus was the christ, atoned for mens sins, etc. But; we're not asked to just believe it. It's explained to us, and then it's up to us to accept it, or reject it. We believe that you can talk with god, and he will answer any question you have. Typically, some people wait years before being baptised into the church, because they're not sure whether or not they agree with it, etc. So, while some religions may just believe what they read, or what they're told, or what they're taught, at least in my little corner of Christianity, we constantly pray about everything. I haven't found 1 thing about the church I don't agree with, personally, so that's why I'm still a member, LOL.
In my opinion, Religion should be a personal, 1 on 1 thing, between you and god, I don't care what religion people are, as long as they don't care what religion I am. Peace~
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maybe they'll strike over xmas.. :o
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^^ Which brings up another point. I refuse to let an outside source shake me. I'll probably keep an eye out for muslims, but I'm still gonna go to the mall, I'm still gonna have a good christmas, it probably won't even cross my mind. Honestly, Also, the odds are in my favor, hella big, LOL. I live 20 miles from downtown charlotte, I can barely see the skyscrapers from my back porch. We're the second largest banking center in america, though, LOL so we might be high on the list of targets, since they're targeting the u.s. economy... but really, what can they do? Last time, they killed 3 thousand, and that's horrible. But. Come on now. They hit the most densely populated area of america, the most densely populated square MILE of america, have you, and that's the best they could do? These guys are nothing. They could even drop an inferior dirty nuke on downtown charlotte and I wouldn't even feel the fallout. They don't scare me one bit, and even if every muslim in america was on their team, we'd still have them outnumbered, what, 20 to 1? None of us have anything to be worried about.
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2. Your thoughts about believing everything someone tells you and not questioning them etc. etc. don't extend to my religion, although you may feel that way on the outside. People are told to always pray about anything, any ideal, anything taught in the church, and decide for themselves whether or not it is a true ideal. For instance, we're told Jesus was the christ, atoned for mens sins, etc. But; we're not asked to just believe it. It's explained to us, and then it's up to us to accept it, or reject it. We believe that you can talk with god, and he will answer any question you have. Typically, some people wait years before being baptised into the church, because they're not sure whether or not they agree with it, etc. So, while some religions may just believe what they read, or what they're told, or what they're taught, at least in my little corner of Christianity, we constantly pray about everything. I haven't found 1 thing about the church I don't agree with, personally, so that's why I'm still a member, LOL.
In my opinion, Religion should be a personal, 1 on 1 thing, between you and god, I don't care what religion people are, as long as they don't care what religion I am. Peace~
Yeah I agree. Thats why I referenced orthodox believers instead of believers in general. Just making clear.
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all i got to say is that al queera is the dumbest set of people alive......their main objective is what.....to bring peace in the muslum world......yet they attack the biggest and most powerful nation on earth and expect to bring peace back to the muslum world....the middle east has even MORE chaos now than it did pre 9/11 and they're STILL trying to stir up shit with the US and it's allies........i don't know but if it were trying to bring peace to east BAKERSFIELD i wouldn't go to every gang members mom's house and kill their mom's to make a point about gang violence and not expect a reation......i mean come on it's just plain stupid
Actually their main objective is to defend the Muslim Umma. (community) So if a group or country of Muslims is being oppressed they will fight back against those oppressors. I'm not a scholar so I can't say for certain if what they are doing is right. The Scholars and Islamic leaders have not reached any clear agreement on the matter as far as I know.
...and if a bunch of terrorits fuck with us.....we're not going to sit back and let them "make a point" we will defend ourselves aswell