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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: Laconic on April 06, 2010, 12:08:11 PM
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Yup. That's right.
http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/videos/id.5224/title.dr-dre-lebron-james-opening-day-batting-practice
Equivalent to watching 2-D and 3-D films. Should be pretty crazy.
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Yup. That's right.
http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/videos/id.5224/title.dr-dre-lebron-james-opening-day-batting-practice
Equivalent to watching 2-D and 3-D films. Should be pretty crazy.
i'm not much of an audiophile. can you elaborate what this means?
Also, is this going to add 2 years to production time?
Keep in mind that Snoop said he's going into cut vocals this month. So if he hasn't even spit his shit yet... i mean is it gonna take 3 months to engineer it into Surround Sound?
Also, why the 2-D / 3-D reference? Are you saying that the audio in this is to audio on any other album as imax is to reg movie?
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Yup. That's right.
http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/videos/id.5224/title.dr-dre-lebron-james-opening-day-batting-practice
Equivalent to watching 2-D and 3-D films. Should be pretty crazy.
i'm not much of an audiophile. can you elaborate what this means?
Also, is this going to add 2 years to production time?
Keep in mind that Snoop said he's going into cut vocals this month. So if he hasn't even spit his shit yet... i mean is it gonna take 3 months to engineer it into Surround Sound?
Also, why the 2-D / 3-D reference? Are you saying that the audio in this is to audio on any other album as imax is to reg movie?
I'm just reporting what Dre said in the interview. As far as what he means...we shall see...but I assume that there will be 2 different versions of the album...reg and deluxe. But who knows for sure. He's most def trying to revolutionize the music game again though.
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detox is gonna suck a fat cock and all u little stans are gonna be salty as shit. dr. dre needs to quit fucking around with jay-z's illuminati ass and get some real spitters on the album. not washed up bums from a secret society. FUCK GAY-Z. honestly pac would roll over in his grave if fucking gay-z was on the album. he always preached killuminati. KILL-ILLUMINATI.
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I won't believe Detox is even getting released before I see it in stores.
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so this means a 5 year delay?
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detox is gonna suck a fat cock and all u little stans are gonna be salty as shit. dr. dre needs to quit fucking around with jay-z's illuminati ass and get some real spitters on the album. not washed up bums from a secret society. FUCK GAY-Z. honestly pac would roll over in his grave if fucking gay-z was on the album. he always preached killuminati. KILL-ILLUMINATI.
Thanks for your two cents of positivity.
I won't believe Detox is even getting released before I see it in stores.
Yeah pretty much but it seems like the technology is there for this release to actually occur the way he wants it to be heard. Usually I stay away from Detox threads but all the public appearances lately by Dre are a good sign.
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are there any other albums out in surround sound ?
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detox is gonna suck a fat cock and all u little stans are gonna be salty as shit. dr. dre needs to quit fucking around with jay-z's illuminati ass and get some real spitters on the album. not washed up bums from a secret society. FUCK GAY-Z. honestly pac would roll over in his grave if fucking gay-z was on the album. he always preached killuminati. KILL-ILLUMINATI.
I guess Pac is already rolling in his grave considering Jay wrote for 2001.
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detox is gonna suck a fat cock and all u little stans are gonna be salty as shit. dr. dre needs to quit fucking around with jay-z's illuminati ass and get some real spitters on the album. not washed up bums from a secret society. FUCK GAY-Z. honestly pac would roll over in his grave if fucking gay-z was on the album. he always preached killuminati. KILL-ILLUMINATI.
I guess Pac is already rolling in his grave considering Jay wrote for 2001.
pac ain't wasting his time in heaven worrying about dr.dre or jay-z, he rolling wit the real big dogz up there.... ;)
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are there any other albums out in surround sound ?
Apparently there are some awards for "Surround Sound" albums but I'm not so sure Detox will be the same.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grammy_Award_for_Best_Surround_Sound_Album
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are there any other albums out in surround sound ?
Yes. A lot. Most of the albums are available in Japan. I think you can buy a lot of DTS albums on amazon & eBay too.
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Here's one: http://www.amazon.com/Every-Breath-You-Take-Classics/dp/B00004NKFE
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Here's one: http://www.amazon.com/Every-Breath-You-Take-Classics/dp/B00004NKFE
sweet, doesnt appear to be any hip hop.
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Here's one: http://www.amazon.com/Every-Breath-You-Take-Classics/dp/B00004NKFE
sweet, doesnt appear to be any hip hop.
No Hip-hop. Only classic Pop & Rock albums.
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so this means a 5 year delay?
Nah, more like 12 years.
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surround sound cds are crazy, i know a dude who has a lexus with bubble eyes and surround sound and it sounds nuts
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Does surround sound require a special device or just regular old player>
Are there surround sound digital files?
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Does surround sound require a special device or just regular old player>
Are there surround sound digital files?
i think a dvd player hooked up to of course a surround sound system works, but having it in your car is expensive as fuck. i know its actually a dvd and not a cd but im not into that technical shit
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they should redo 2001 in surround sound if thats possible, i wouldnt mind hearing that shit
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This just in.....Detox to be released on 8 track only.
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surround sound dvd-audio / super audio cd discs are absolutely crazy. i've bought quite a few dvd-audio albums recently, but there is very little hip-hop on either format. i had a friend come over for a listening session and he was like damn, i never wanna listen to music in stereo again :laugh:
although some of the music i got is supposedly some of the very best surround mixes out there.
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surround sound dvd-audio / super audio cd discs are absolutely crazy. i've bought quite a few dvd-audio albums recently, but there is very little hip-hop on either format. i had a friend come over for a listening session and he was like damn, i never wanna listen to music in stereo again :laugh:
although some of the music i got is supposedly some of the very best surround mixes out there.
yeah what rap/hip hop is even in that format right now?
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so its in 5.1 right ? It's useless to have surround album with headphones ?
dre talked about doing the album in 5.1 in 2004 or even before.
by the way, bishop also stated that dre will release an intrumental version but with different variations on the beats (more complex). So there could be 4 versions of the album in total : stereo, instrumentals (stereo), surround, intrumental (surround).
A double disc with instrumental version included would be really cool though.
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list of almost all 5.1 dvd-audio discs: http://www.quadraphonicquad.com/dvdalist.htm
you can play dvd-audio discs on any pc with a dvd drive, but you need the right software and obviously a 5.1 soundcard/speaker set-up.
hip-hop discs that i know of on dvd-a:
'missy elliot - so addictive' - i have this, can be picked up for next to nothing, like a couple of bucks. very good disc for 5.1 mixing. mix done by tim's recording engineer jimmy douglass who recorded the album in the first place.
'n.e.r.d. - in search of' - supposed to be a really awesome 5.1 mix, i can imagine it would be. really rare, not been able to get hold of it.
'outkast - stankonia' - could imagine this being great, but read the 5.1 is not particulaly exciting considering the material, so haven't picked it up yet.
outside of hip-hop though, there are some absolutely incredible discs and 5.1 mixes 8)
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yeah my friend who has it in his car didnt have any rap cds for it, to be honest i dont even remember what he did have but i remember just the little demo cd that came with it and showed off how crazy it was sounded insane
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Nice lists. Thanks Matty. I would love to hear some Donald Fagen 5.1
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detox is gonna suck a fat cock and all u little stans are gonna be salty as shit. dr. dre needs to quit fucking around with jay-z's illuminati ass and get some real spitters on the album. not washed up bums from a secret society. FUCK GAY-Z. honestly pac would roll over in his grave if fucking gay-z was on the album. he always preached killuminati. KILL-ILLUMINATI.
Honestly, who gives a flying fuck what Tupac woulda thought about the album. He was a horrible human being and got shot. Dr. Dre on the other hand cares more about making good music than insulting others and still has others looking forward to his albums than has his fans worrying about halfass little "songs" like "If Theres a Cure" which were never meant to see the day of light and having his mom rip apart his catalogue by putting a bunch of morons all over his 'new' albums.
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Honestly, who gives a flying fuck what Tupac woulda thought about the album. He was a horrible human being and got shot.
hahaha props
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the best disc i have and i think this is one of the most highly rated over on that quadraphonicquad site is 'talking heads - speaking in tongues'. shit is insane 8)
http://www.quadraphonicquad.com/forums/showthread.php?6943-Talking-Heads-SPEAKING-IN-TONGUES-DVD-A-DualDisc
average ratings for surround sound discs: http://www.quadraphonicquad.com/QQHiRezPoll2004.htm
'santana - supernatural' is also a really good one i picked up, its dramatically different to the audio cd version, which is really squashed up in comparison. sounds like your at a live concert 8)
hopefully dre will release detox in a high-definition, downloadable, multi-channel format. FLAC could and should be the ticket. they already did a downloadable cd quality FLAC release for 'relapse'.
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the best disc i have and i think this is one of the most highly rated over on that quadraphonicquad site is 'talking heads - speaking in tongues'. shit is insane 8)
http://www.quadraphonicquad.com/forums/showthread.php?6943-Talking-Heads-SPEAKING-IN-TONGUES-DVD-A-DualDisc
'santana - supernatural' is also a really good one i picked up, its dramatically different to the audio cd version, which is really squashed up in comparison. sounds like your at a live concert 8)
hopefully dre will release detox in a high-definition, downloadable, multi-channel format. FLAC could and should be the ticket. they already did a downloadable cd quality FLAC release for 'relapse'.
yeah thats what he had, santana. shit sounded crazy and im not even a big santana fan.we were on the freeway and after we took the santana off and put on some rap it sounded so fuckin bad right after haha
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From what I know, you can only mix an audio cd with Left and Right. But with DVD audio or SACD's you can use 5 speakers.
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by the way, bishop also stated that dre will release an intrumental version but with different variations on the beats (more complex). So there could be 4 versions of the album in total : stereo, instrumentals (stereo), surround, intrumental (surround).
A double disc with instrumental version included would be really cool though.
You think Jimmy Iovine will let Dre release 4 albums in these days when records don't sell shit, man you must be jokin', right?
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by the way, bishop also stated that dre will release an intrumental version but with different variations on the beats (more complex). So there could be 4 versions of the album in total : stereo, instrumentals (stereo), surround, intrumental (surround).
A double disc with instrumental version included would be really cool though.
You think Jimmy Iovine will let Dre release 4 albums in these days when records don't sell shit, man you must be jokin', right?
if detox really does come out i could see that happening but probably not all at once
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From what I know, you can only mix an audio cd with Left and Right. But with DVD audio or SACD's you can use 5 speakers.
yup, dvd-audio kind of flopped. super audio cd tends to be more popular among audiophiles, but still a really small market. good thing is a lot of dvd-audio discs and dual-disc dvd-audio releases can be found pretty cheaply. i'd love to hear some super audio cds in stereo and 5.1, but you need a dedicated/high-end player for those. early ps3 consoles can play them too.
i would hope they'd use multi-channel FLAC files in the future.
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by the way, bishop also stated that dre will release an intrumental version but with different variations on the beats (more complex). So there could be 4 versions of the album in total : stereo, instrumentals (stereo), surround, intrumental (surround).
A double disc with instrumental version included would be really cool though.
You think Jimmy Iovine will let Dre release 4 albums in these days when records don't sell shit, man you must be jokin', right?
if detox really does come out i could see that happening but probably not all at once
I really don't see it happenin'. It's 2010, EVERYBODY is downloadin' music. Does anybody know how much the instrumental album of "2001" did sell?
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Wheres that mutherfucker J Bananas at? He can answer a lot of these questions. Maybe they are on to something, mix it on some weird format so it wont be so easy to rip?
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by the way, bishop also stated that dre will release an intrumental version but with different variations on the beats (more complex). So there could be 4 versions of the album in total : stereo, instrumentals (stereo), surround, intrumental (surround).
A double disc with instrumental version included would be really cool though.
You think Jimmy Iovine will let Dre release 4 albums in these days when records don't sell shit, man you must be jokin', right?
if detox really does come out i could see that happening but probably not all at once
I really don't see it happenin'. It's 2010, EVERYBODY is downloadin' music. Does anybody know how much the instrumental album of "2001" did sell?
yeah i know but im pretty sure they will at least release an instrumental version, its not like they have to promote it alot or anything. and with the surround sound versions, you have to remember most of the people in that market are older and have jobs and money to buy that kind of equipment, these are the kinds of people who are still willing to drop money for good music. i mean at this point i still dont realistically think detox is coming out but i still see this shit as a possibility
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Dr. Dre should make sure Detox is available first before being available in Deluxe Surround Sound
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True that, the first single better be droppin on Friday. We have waited for too long.
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dre talked about doing the album in 5.1 in 2004 or even before.
Yup! This is not really anything new. Im surprised the rest of you didn't remember this.
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dre talked about doing the album in 5.1 in 2004 or even before.
Yup! This is not really anything new. Im surprised the rest of you didn't remember this.
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dts albums have been available for years in stores...years...most rap albums in the us dont have the dts version tho...ive seen it mostly in other muzik genre's that have it
are there any other albums out in surround sound ?
Yes. A lot. Most of the albums are available in Japan. I think you can buy a lot of DTS albums on amazon & eBay too.
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looooool at this Pac shit..rolling in grave hahahahaha... :D :Ddamn this pac stans are the funniest thing in music industry :D :D
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by the way, bishop also stated that dre will release an intrumental version but with different variations on the beats (more complex). So there could be 4 versions of the album in total : stereo, instrumentals (stereo), surround, intrumental (surround).
A double disc with instrumental version included would be really cool though.
You think Jimmy Iovine will let Dre release 4 albums in these days when records don't sell shit, man you must be jokin', right?
if detox really does come out i could see that happening but probably not all at once
I really don't see it happenin'. It's 2010, EVERYBODY is downloadin' music. Does anybody know how much the instrumental album of "2001" did sell?
but don't forget that interscope is willing to spend a lot of money on Detox
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anyone who has followed Detox from the beginning should remember that this was Dre's original plan years ago. I think that guy Mellowman who used to post on here once in awhile (old school heads know...he claimed he worked w/ Dre) I think he talked all about this. Wow, I thought the guy was a fake, but looks like he was for real.
If someone does a search I'm sure they could find the post where Mellowman talks all about this back in the day. 03/04 time period.
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whatever- i just want a CD of good music.
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anyone who has followed Detox from the beginning should remember that this was Dre's original plan years ago. I think that guy Mellowman who used to post on here once in awhile (old school heads know...he claimed he worked w/ Dre) I think he talked all about this. Wow, I thought the guy was a fake, but looks like he was for real.
If someone does a search I'm sure they could find the post where Mellowman talks all about this back in the day. 03/04 time period.
Please link us to old posts from him if you can man.
I once listened to an album on surround sound in a friends car, shit sounds totally different.. Dre's right in comparing it from 2-D to 3-D. Can't wait to hear it on Detox.
I'm also curious to see how Interscope promotes Dre's album.
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Well at least we know that sonically Detox will sound amazing :)
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anyone who has followed Detox from the beginning should remember that this was Dre's original plan years ago. I think that guy Mellowman who used to post on here once in awhile (old school heads know...he claimed he worked w/ Dre) I think he talked all about this. Wow, I thought the guy was a fake, but looks like he was for real.
If someone does a search I'm sure they could find the post where Mellowman talks all about this back in the day. 03/04 time period.
Please link us to old posts from him if you can man.
I once listened to an album on surround sound in a friends car, shit sounds totally different.. Dre's right in comparing it from 2-D to 3-D. Can't wait to hear it on Detox.
I'm also curious to see how Interscope promotes Dre's album.
I don't have time to go searching. Just search for posts by "mellowman" in 02-04...he didn't post often
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FEB 03
plans are back on for a 5.1 version of Detox on sacd, and eventually dvd-audio. if that happens you better get lined up for that musical expreience. if you like rock music i'd get dvd-audio right now and enjoy metallica's black album, stp's core and linkin park's reanimation. dre can't wait to play with the surround sound. i guarantee that dre will mix it better than anyone. Detox will be the
first 5.1 release, but eventually dre hopes to remix and release the entire Aftermath catalogue.
MAY 2001
. now however, we have two new technologies called super audio cd's (sacd) and digitial video disc audio (dvd-audio). these are ready and available for initial release. however, they are still limited in release and the sonic possibilties and technology are still in the early stages. these sacd's or dvd audio allow for 5.1 digital sound. that means you have 2 front speakers, a center channel, 2 surround speakers and a subwoofer. when mixed you can literally place a different instrument in each channel. so dre could place a keyboard sound in one front speaker, the vocals in the center speaker, a guitar in the other front speaker, a flute in a surround speaker, and the drums in the other, with a bassline in the subwoofer. or any way you want to arrange it. when you hear these new technologies now they sound much better than a regular cd. in a few years the sound will be further enhanced and advanced, the technology will even be further advanced and the way you hear and listen to music will be unbelievable. and with the space for information available on these new technologies you can put an entire album, a documentary and a dozen videos on each dvd. and it will come through your stereo and the videos will be in visually stunning picture on your tv. so my advice is to not waste your hard earned money on a virtually identical chronic cd.instead make a copy of the one you already have. and wait a few years until the sound is much better than anything possible today. peace.
Dre, DETOX and the revolutionary 5.1 sound on: June 29, 2001, 09:17:44 PM
i have heard the future and it is 5.1 digital music. and like usual dre is gonna be at the forefront of this musical innovation and will help to push sonic boundaries to places not yet reached. a few months ago (before dre talked about it) i talked to you about these new musical formats. it comes in 2 different forms. dvd-audio and superaudio compact disc (sacd). right now if dre released a recording in 5.1 sound you would not be able to listen to it on your regular cd players. you must have a dvd audio or sacd player and you must have a compatible receiver, along with the many correct connections. regular cd players cannot play these 5.1 discs. and even if they could you could not hear get the 5.1 sound cause your equipment would not be compatible. for those who don't know what 5.1 sound is it consists of this: the 5 means having 2 front speakers, 1 center speaker and 2 surround speakers. the 1 is referring to a subwoofer. if anyone is thinking about buying either of these 2 technologies i would advise you to wait for a while. the two formats are still battling each other to be the prefered format. right now dvd-audio is ahead in terms of getting backed by the most record companies. but many experts, including myself think that sacd is better. but most people probably could not tell the difference. both of these formats are available but the discs released are very minimal. there are no rap releases yet and small amounts of others. so there are a lot of things to be straightened out.my advice would be to wait for another year and the picture should be much clearer. late 2002 and early 2003 is the projeted time frame for this new technology to blow up and be ready to be used correctly. the engineers still developing this format are just getting to figure out the possiblities.and since this technology is so new most producers and mixers will have to work with this a while before they can perfect it. i have heard a lot of discs and there is a huge room for improvement. the 5.1 sound is incredible, even in these early stages. after only just recently heard this sound experience (thanks to someone i know.lol.) dre is just starting to learn about it and work with it. by the time detox is being finished the sonic possiblites of 5.1 digital music will have started to be realized.one more thing about the format.there is enough disc space on these discs to include the album, some remixes, some documentaries and some music videos. the possiblites are endless. if anyone does have dvd audio i suggest you buy metallica's black album (yeah we bump rock music too)to get the best example i've heard of 5.1 so far. right now its late saturday night and i'm still working in the lab instead of relaxing and hangin out.i'm tired and i got a few more things to "rap"up. i'll post a reply tommorrow and detail our "special" plans for the 5.1 sound. talk to you tommorrow.
mellowman posts
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?action=profile;u=577;sa=showPosts
mellowmanisback posts (supposedly lost his password to original username)
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?action=profile;u=7703;sa=showPosts
Educate yourself....this stuff is at least nine years in the making for Dre
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The key more than anything is a high quality digital format because no one is going to buy an entire unit just for one cd.
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yeah if there is a way to squeeze more out of current cd's/players that would be great. i wouldn't expect alot of people to buy these players. i had one and had Santana's Supernatural, Metallica's Black Album, and Linkin Park's Reanimation. Reanimation was so sick...
edit: I've read that vinyl records run at 96khz or something like that and DVD-A is somewhere in that ballpark. CDs are 44.1 or something like that. Analog is a true sound source and digital takes steps along the sound wave and averages it out.....just food for thought. I think thats correct.
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Ok I'm not a sound head like a lot of you guys but what I want to know is:
A) Will the deluxe version work with normal headphones/ipods etc
B) Could you play it through your TV system
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yeah if there is a way to squeeze more out of current cd's/players that would be great. i wouldn't expect alot of people to buy these players. i had one and had Santana's Supernatural, Metallica's Black Album, and Linkin Park's Reanimation. Reanimation was so sick...
edit: I've read that vinyl records run at 96khz or something like that and DVD-A is somewhere in that ballpark. CDs are 44.1 or something like that. Analog is a true sound source and digital takes steps along the sound wave and averages it out.....just food for thought. I think thats correct.
DVD-A can be 96khz, 192khz or sometimes just 48khz...depends on the release. i'd say the more important thing is the 'resolution' - 24-bit over 16-bit files - what they call 'advanced resolution' on DVD-A releases. the good thing about DVD-A is that any PC dvd-drive will play them (with the right software installed) and they often feature lower quality dolby digital/dts tracks so anyone with a standard dvd-video player can check out the 5.1.
but still, its kinda a dead format, would be surprised if they were considering it for detox. but for a proper physical release, DVD-A and SACD are really the only things out there. what is preferable and perhaps more likely is a multi-channel FLAC format release. this is what i was saying before and what Action! mentioned. anyone with a PC can get in on the action, no DVD-A software required. FLAC files can be 6 channel and be higher than redbook 44.1khz/16-bit quality. because the files would be so big, this could warrant a bonus data dvd as opposed to a purely digital download.
also, vinyl doesn't have a sampling rate per se, its a groove. you can record it at 192khz it still won't be 'full' quality, although its debatable if people can hear any difference at those kinda levels. one things for sure, hip-hop, with a strong reliance on drum sounds, is a genre that hugely benefits from vinyl and high quality formats. cda really needs an outstanding mix and master to bring everything out.
i got that reanimation dvd-a off a torrent, still need to check it out. heard its supposed to be super crazy 8)
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Ok I'm not a sound head like a lot of you guys but what I want to know is:
A) Will the deluxe version work with normal headphones/ipods etc
B) Could you play it through your TV system
A) if its a digital format yes, but would be downmixed to stereo. some players support high quality .wavs, so you might be able to take advantage of any increased sampling/bit-rate through transcoding to .wav.
B) if it was a dvd-a release and included DD/DTS 5.1 tracks for people with standard dvd-video players, then yes. a lot of DVD-A/DVD-A Dualdisc releases do this. wouldn't be the same quality as the actual DVD-A tracks though.
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Not gonna be released anytime soon.....8 or 9 months , guaranteed.
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detox will be classic