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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on April 15, 2010, 03:41:34 PM
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...Kyle Boller... :-\
Well...he can serve as a decent backup I guess.
On a positive note...reports are, the Steelers are entertaining offers on Big Ben. We have a LOT of trade bait. Dont really wanna see Asomugha go...but he can be used. Or a good draft pick.
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Kyle Boller was THAT niggggga in college. :P
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Anything is better then Jamurcas.I think they should go after Jason Campbell from the redskins.hes expendable now and hes shown improvement every season since he started.
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Anything is better then Jamurcas.I think they should go after Jason Campbell from the redskins.hes expendable now and hes shown improvement every season since he started.
agreed. And he wont cost us NEARLY as much as McNabb would have...and McNabb woulda left after this year anyways.
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Anything is better then Jamurcas.I think they should go after Jason Campbell from the redskins.hes expendable now and hes shown improvement every season since he started.
Campbell would be a nice fit in Oakland.
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haha i havnt heard kyle bollers name ever since he left baltimore
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Kyle Boller was THAT niggggga in college. :P
And he sucked dick with the Ravens. I'd rather have no QB than have Boller. Raiders should ask what to give for Troy Smith instead. And how is it that this sorry QB get such lookers? Tara Reid[even though I never liked her] & now Carrie Prejean.
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Kyle Boller was THAT niggggga in college. :P
And he sucked dick with the Ravens. I'd rather have no QB than have Boller. Raiders should ask what to give for Troy Smith instead. And how is it that this sorry QB get such lookers? Tara Reid[even though I never liked her] & now Carrie Prejean.
Troy Smith would require a 5th round pick. Im sure Boller is being signed as a backup (i hope). And they should be going after Jason Campbell.
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bet you nythin you would all be sayin campbell is wack when he cant produce...lol
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campbell is just another band aid. we should be going after roethlisberger.
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scared now cuz of his problems...lol
campbell is just another band aid. we should be going after roethlisberger.
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Raiders should not get rid of JaMarcus Russell. He'll be better this year.
by your godfather...lol
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I say trade JaMarcus and a draft pick, get Roethlisberger, then have Bolder start off the season and get Roethlisberger later in the season.
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I say trade JaMarcus and a draft pick, get Roethlisberger, then have Bolder start off the season and get Roethlisberger later in the season.
they wont be able to trade JaMarcus. They will just have to eat his contract and take the loss. There isnt a team in this UNIVERSE that would take JaMarcus..with THAT contract. It would be one thing if a team could get him for the league minimum. But whoever he's traded to will have to take on his contact lol. Its sad...that even Boller will probably be higher on the depth chart than Russell.
But I agree....Big Ben would be solid. Only thing is, the Steelers want a top 10 pick at least.
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campbell is just another band aid. we should be going after roethlisberger.
a way better band aid then Gradkowski...and look how we played with HIM at QB.
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bet you nythin you would all be sayin campbell is wack when he cant produce...lol
ummm....if a player cant produce...would you call them great?
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campbell is just another band aid. we should be going after roethlisberger.
a way better band aid then Gradkowski...and look how we played with HIM at QB.
no way i would rather have gradkowski. he's got some leadership skills and he commands in the huddle and on the field. i haven't seen any of that when i watched campbell play last year
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campbell is just another band aid. we should be going after roethlisberger.
a way better band aid then Gradkowski...and look how we played with HIM at QB.
no way i would rather have gradkowski. he's got some leadership skills and he commands in the huddle and on the field. i haven't seen any of that when i watched campbell play last year
really? Gradkowski would be Campbells backup without doubt on any team they played together.
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honestly i don't think i've seen enough of gradkowski to declare him wayyy better than campbell. but i have seen campbell and he makes very poor decisions. i would not trade for him. if he was cut, maybe give him a shot.
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honestly i don't think i've seen enough of gradkowski to declare him wayyy better than campbell. but i have seen campbell and he makes very poor decisions. i would not trade for him. if he was cut, maybe give him a shot.
He is actually known as a Qb that is relatively safe with the football. He played last year with an O-line that was worse than ours and a walking infermary at RB in Portis. He obviously isnt on Big Bens level, but I think he would be a great fit. I like Gradkowski...but he IS a journeyman career backup guy. I dunno. ANYthing but Russell.
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rich gannon was a journeyman. campbell could be another kyle boller
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we should draft Clausen today! i wanted the raiders to draft big ben years ago when they took gallery instead. with that 6 game suspension not sure if i want him now. gradkowski did a solid job last year. campell would be o.k. like dude said, anybody but jamarcus...... draft Clausen!
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we should draft Clausen today! i wanted the raiders to draft big ben years ago when they took gallery instead. with that 6 game suspension not sure if i want him now. gradkowski did a solid job last year. campell would be o.k. like dude said, anybody but jamarcus...... draft Clausen!
Id be good with Clausen. he played in a prostyle offense so he should be able to come in and play immediately. There is talk that they are shopping McFadden which is wierd...unless they are thinking of picking up an RB in the draft. Clausen COULD be gone by the time we pick tho. If so, I would still be good with trading for Campbell and drafting a solid OT with the first pick.
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Campbell is much better then boller,hes shown improvement in every season,and when you consider what hes had to go trhough since his career started.Every year in washington theyve switched coordinators and every year he has to learn a new system,thats not an easy feat and its hard to develop when thats happening.But even through that hes put up solid numbers.
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you guys could have Peyton Manning & you wouldn't win 8 games lol.
the Raiders are just fucked; if they make the Playoffs within the next 10 seasons (unless Al Davis dies in the next two), i'll be shocked.
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wait so doesnt that make russell not at 100% fault...? lol
you guys could have Peyton Manning & you wouldn't win 8 games lol.
the Raiders are just fucked; if they make the Playoffs within the next 10 seasons (unless Al Davis dies in the next two), i'll be shocked.
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wait so doesnt that make russell not at 100% fault...? lol
you guys could have Peyton Manning & you wouldn't win 8 games lol.
the Raiders are just fucked; if they make the Playoffs within the next 10 seasons (unless Al Davis dies in the next two), i'll be shocked.
Of course it's not all his fault. Dude was thrown as a rookie starting on a team that sucks and has no stability. If Jamarcus Russel was signed by the Steelers and played bench up until now he'd be ready to start and Big Ben would have been traded weeks ago.
and Cham, for the record if Peyton had gotten all of training camp and all of the preseason to work with that offense they would have won in weeks 1, 3, 8, 10, 14, and 16 no doubt, with weeks 4, 12 and 17 being hit or miss. So 11-5 with Manning, with a possibility of 12-4.
Manning's on field talent alone would have gotten them 3 more wins. His offensive coordinating and mid week practices mixed with his play calling would have gotten them 3 more.
For the record I believe that if Sean Payton and Drew Brees came to Oakland for last year they'd be 12-4. Peyton is just a bit lower than those two combined.
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wait so doesnt that make russell not at 100% fault...? lol
you guys could have Peyton Manning & you wouldn't win 8 games lol.
the Raiders are just fucked; if they make the Playoffs within the next 10 seasons (unless Al Davis dies in the next two), i'll be shocked.
nobody ever claimed he was 100% at fault. But if youre educated on football then you understand how much of an effect a QB THAT bad as on an entire organization. We arent just talking about how much he hurts the team ON the field. But when you draft a QB #1....you spend the next 2/3 years building AROUND that guy. When he gives you absolutely nothing....you end up sucking, and you end up having to start over. Again, all of this is for an educated football fan. You gotta do some reading man...learn up on the game. There is a reason why he will more then likely be cut by the Raiders. lol CUT! Because they wouldnt be able to trade him for a Double Cheeseburger off the dollar menu right now. He has a VERY strong shot at going down as the biggest bust in NFL history. He will compete with Ryan Leaf. But I can honestly say I would take Leaf over JaMarcus...based on what we have seen from both. And Im sure Cham is knowledgeable enough about the game that he was making a joke...and knows better.
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wait so doesnt that make russell not at 100% fault...? lol
you guys could have Peyton Manning & you wouldn't win 8 games lol.
the Raiders are just fucked; if they make the Playoffs within the next 10 seasons (unless Al Davis dies in the next two), i'll be shocked.
Of course it's not all his fault. Dude was thrown as a rookie starting on a team that sucks and has no stability. If Jamarcus Russel was signed by the Steelers and played bench up until now he'd be ready to start and Big Ben would have been traded weeks ago.
and Cham, for the record if Peyton had gotten all of training camp and all of the preseason to work with that offense they would have won in weeks 1, 3, 8, 10, 14, and 16 no doubt, with weeks 4, 12 and 17 being hit or miss. So 11-5 with Manning, with a possibility of 12-4.
Manning's on field talent alone would have gotten them 3 more wins. His offensive coordinating and mid week practices mixed with his play calling would have gotten them 3 more.
For the record I believe that if Sean Payton and Drew Brees came to Oakland for last year they'd be 12-4. Peyton is just a bit lower than those two combined.
there is absolutely no way he would be starting for the Steelers lol. The situation he was drafted into...has nothing to do with showing up to camp fat as hell...and not giving ANY effort during the offseason, or during training camp. The QB should be the first guy in the film room....and the last guy leaving. He's a lazy ass. That has nothing to do with anyone...but him.
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aite as long as others agree that he wasnt and isnt 100%at fault...cuz IMO he isnt and im not a raider fan...but the way everyone went in on him and still do is uncalled for......other qb's never caught the same heat as russell did...and please dont say it was cuz of the guranteed money..lol
wait so doesnt that make russell not at 100% fault...? lol
you guys could have Peyton Manning & you wouldn't win 8 games lol.
the Raiders are just fucked; if they make the Playoffs within the next 10 seasons (unless Al Davis dies in the next two), i'll be shocked.
nobody ever claimed he was 100% at fault. But if youre educated on football then you understand how much of an effect a QB THAT bad as on an entire organization. We arent just talking about how much he hurts the team ON the field. But when you draft a QB #1....you spend the next 2/3 years building AROUND that guy. When he gives you absolutely nothing....you end up sucking, and you end up having to start over. Again, all of this is for an educated football fan. You gotta do some reading man...learn up on the game. There is a reason why he will more then likely be cut by the Raiders. lol CUT! Because they wouldnt be able to trade him for a Double Cheeseburger off the dollar menu right now. He has a VERY strong shot at going down as the biggest bust in NFL history. He will compete with Ryan Leaf. But I can honestly say I would take Leaf over JaMarcus...based on what we have seen from both. And Im sure Cham is knowledgeable enough about the game that he was making a joke...and knows better.
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wait so doesnt that make russell not at 100% fault...? lol
you guys could have Peyton Manning & you wouldn't win 8 games lol.
the Raiders are just fucked; if they make the Playoffs within the next 10 seasons (unless Al Davis dies in the next two), i'll be shocked.
Of course it's not all his fault. Dude was thrown as a rookie starting on a team that sucks and has no stability. If Jamarcus Russel was signed by the Steelers and played bench up until now he'd be ready to start and Big Ben would have been traded weeks ago.
and Cham, for the record if Peyton had gotten all of training camp and all of the preseason to work with that offense they would have won in weeks 1, 3, 8, 10, 14, and 16 no doubt, with weeks 4, 12 and 17 being hit or miss. So 11-5 with Manning, with a possibility of 12-4.
Manning's on field talent alone would have gotten them 3 more wins. His offensive coordinating and mid week practices mixed with his play calling would have gotten them 3 more.
For the record I believe that if Sean Payton and Drew Brees came to Oakland for last year they'd be 12-4. Peyton is just a bit lower than those two combined.
there is absolutely no way he would be starting for the Steelers lol. The situation he was drafted into...has nothing to do with showing up to camp fat as hell...and not giving ANY effort during the offseason, or during training camp. The QB should be the first guy in the film room....and the last guy leaving. He's a lazy ass. That has nothing to do with anyone...but him.
He was brought in as the saviour of a leaderless organization with no stable head coach. His first year he sat on the bench and waited for his shot and the coach he had was one a rookie and two cut mid way through the first year Russel gets to start.
Now going to Pit would not have happened in any way shape or form. The Steelers never would have had the first pick and they wouldn't even have used it on him. I'm just saying that he been in a no bullshit organization like Patriots and had a coach like Belicheck he'd be a completely different player.
All young stars need strong guidance and in Oakland their is none. Every rookie QB would fail there. I said Peyton would get them to 11-5, but if Peyton started in the 2007 Oakland as a rookie he'd have been cut by now.
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aite as long as others agree that he wasnt and isnt 100%at fault...cuz IMO he isnt and im not a raider fan...but the way everyone went in on him and still do is uncalled for......other qb's never caught the same heat as russell did...and please dont say it was cuz of the guranteed money..lol
wait so doesnt that make russell not at 100% fault...? lol
you guys could have Peyton Manning & you wouldn't win 8 games lol.
the Raiders are just fucked; if they make the Playoffs within the next 10 seasons (unless Al Davis dies in the next two), i'll be shocked.
nobody ever claimed he was 100% at fault. But if youre educated on football then you understand how much of an effect a QB THAT bad as on an entire organization. We arent just talking about how much he hurts the team ON the field. But when you draft a QB #1....you spend the next 2/3 years building AROUND that guy. When he gives you absolutely nothing....you end up sucking, and you end up having to start over. Again, all of this is for an educated football fan. You gotta do some reading man...learn up on the game. There is a reason why he will more then likely be cut by the Raiders. lol CUT! Because they wouldnt be able to trade him for a Double Cheeseburger off the dollar menu right now. He has a VERY strong shot at going down as the biggest bust in NFL history. He will compete with Ryan Leaf. But I can honestly say I would take Leaf over JaMarcus...based on what we have seen from both. And Im sure Cham is knowledgeable enough about the game that he was making a joke...and knows better.
of course he isnt 100% at fault. Im sayin....not 100% at fault for the teams struggles. He IS 100% at fault for himself becoming the biggest bust ever. At first I defended the guy SO much cus he was drafted by a team with a lot of turmoil at the time. But his lack of effort whatsoever...is all on him. And THAT is the reason he will go down as the biggest bust ever. The team was already struggling when they got him...and he actually made them worse. And when you draft a QB with the #1 overall pick...you would expect that your team would be better with that guy. He was worse than any QB theyve had....EVER really lol. If you can bring in a guy like Gradkowski last year...who wouldnt start on ONE team in the league....and they team place twice as good with him under center, there is clearly a problem with JaMarcus. No one can argue how much he hurt the team.
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damn see finally others are statin what ive been sayin all this time and will always say unless russell tells me differently....lol
free the cable guy and russell...
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wait so doesnt that make russell not at 100% fault...? lol
you guys could have Peyton Manning & you wouldn't win 8 games lol.
the Raiders are just fucked; if they make the Playoffs within the next 10 seasons (unless Al Davis dies in the next two), i'll be shocked.
Of course it's not all his fault. Dude was thrown as a rookie starting on a team that sucks and has no stability. If Jamarcus Russel was signed by the Steelers and played bench up until now he'd be ready to start and Big Ben would have been traded weeks ago.
and Cham, for the record if Peyton had gotten all of training camp and all of the preseason to work with that offense they would have won in weeks 1, 3, 8, 10, 14, and 16 no doubt, with weeks 4, 12 and 17 being hit or miss. So 11-5 with Manning, with a possibility of 12-4.
Manning's on field talent alone would have gotten them 3 more wins. His offensive coordinating and mid week practices mixed with his play calling would have gotten them 3 more.
For the record I believe that if Sean Payton and Drew Brees came to Oakland for last year they'd be 12-4. Peyton is just a bit lower than those two combined.
there is absolutely no way he would be starting for the Steelers lol. The situation he was drafted into...has nothing to do with showing up to camp fat as hell...and not giving ANY effort during the offseason, or during training camp. The QB should be the first guy in the film room....and the last guy leaving. He's a lazy ass. That has nothing to do with anyone...but him.
He was brought in as the saviour of a leaderless organization with no stable head coach. His first year he sat on the bench and waited for his shot and the coach he had was one a rookie and two cut mid way through the first year Russel gets to start.
Now going to Pit would not have happened in any way shape or form. The Steelers never would have had the first pick and they wouldn't even have used it on him. I'm just saying that he been in a no bullshit organization like Patriots and had a coach like Belicheck he'd be a completely different player.
All young stars need strong guidance and in Oakland their is none. Every rookie QB would fail there. I said Peyton would get them to 11-5, but if Peyton started in the 2007 Oakland as a rookie he'd have been cut by now.
lol you sound like me 2 yrs ago. Until I watched the guy all last year. I made so many excuses for him...including making statements like..."it would so difficult for any rookie QB to step into this situation". I stopped making excuses for him when I realized that he was doing absolutely nothing to improve himself....AND....on the field could not complete a pass to a wide open RB on a screen pass. That has NOTHING to do with the organization. That has to do with a complete lack of skill that you would expect from even a high school QB. Every QB who gets drafted as the #1 pick....or even in the top 5 is going to an organization with poor leadership. Thats why they have that pick in the first place lol. Not every young QB has as little drive as JaMarcus does. You make that claim about Peyton, which to me is ridiculous. But if you go the other way....you put JaMarcus on the Colts...and their deciding on what they wanna do with their top 5 pick next year.
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damn see finally others are statin what ive been sayin all this time and will always say unless russell tells me differently....lol
free the cable guy and russell...
Cable hasnt been the problem
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aite cool at least you agree wit me there.....but way too many hated on the cable guy
and how did they draft someone that doesnt like to play what they drafted them for? lol
damn see finally others are statin what ive been sayin all this time and will always say unless russell tells me differently....lol
free the cable guy and russell...
Cable hasnt been the problem
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aite as long as others agree that he wasnt and isnt 100%at fault...cuz IMO he isnt and im not a raider fan...but the way everyone went in on him and still do is uncalled for......other qb's never caught the same heat as russell did...and please dont say it was cuz of the guranteed money..lol
wait so doesnt that make russell not at 100% fault...? lol
you guys could have Peyton Manning & you wouldn't win 8 games lol.
the Raiders are just fucked; if they make the Playoffs within the next 10 seasons (unless Al Davis dies in the next two), i'll be shocked.
nobody ever claimed he was 100% at fault. But if youre educated on football then you understand how much of an effect a QB THAT bad as on an entire organization. We arent just talking about how much he hurts the team ON the field. But when you draft a QB #1....you spend the next 2/3 years building AROUND that guy. When he gives you absolutely nothing....you end up sucking, and you end up having to start over. Again, all of this is for an educated football fan. You gotta do some reading man...learn up on the game. There is a reason why he will more then likely be cut by the Raiders. lol CUT! Because they wouldnt be able to trade him for a Double Cheeseburger off the dollar menu right now. He has a VERY strong shot at going down as the biggest bust in NFL history. He will compete with Ryan Leaf. But I can honestly say I would take Leaf over JaMarcus...based on what we have seen from both. And Im sure Cham is knowledgeable enough about the game that he was making a joke...and knows better.
of course he isnt 100% at fault. Im sayin....not 100% at fault for the teams struggles. He IS 100% at fault for himself becoming the biggest bust ever. At first I defended the guy SO much cus he was drafted by a team with a lot of turmoil at the time. But his lack of effort whatsoever...is all on him. And THAT is the reason he will go down as the biggest bust ever. The team was already struggling when they got him...and he actually made them worse. And when you draft a QB with the #1 overall pick...you would expect that your team would be better with that guy. He was worse than any QB theyve had....EVER really lol. If you can bring in a guy like Gradkowski last year...who wouldnt start on ONE team in the league....and they team place twice as good with him under center, there is clearly a problem with JaMarcus. No one can argue how much he hurt the team.
I agree that Jamarcus is hurting the team, and I agree that he couldn't step up and be a leader and instead stepped down further than any of the greats would have stepped down. But I'm not saying he'd ever be good enough to be an all time great. I'm saying that on a real team like the Vikings, the Pats, or the Packers he'd be good enough to be a starter if raised properly in the system.
Would any of the hall of fame QBs have been as bad as Russel has been? Maybe not, but I never said he'd ever be good enough to get in the hall of fame. (that being said if he ended up on a great team and just played average and that team won 2 rings he would get in but that's only because he's a QB on a winning team).
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aite cool at least you agree wit me there.....but way too many hated on the cable guy
and how did they draft someone that doesnt like to play what they drafted them for? lol
damn see finally others are statin what ive been sayin all this time and will always say unless russell tells me differently....lol
free the cable guy and russell...
Cable hasnt been the problem
Most Raider fans have no put much blame on Cable. The Raiders had the number 1 pick that year. They NEEDED a QB. Drafting any other position would have been looked at as a HUGE mistake. JaMarcus was the consensus #1 pick by virtually EVERY analyst...scout...etc out there. The Raiders made the same mistake in judging this guys talent as everyone else did. The problem is, those analysts, etc can back away and never mention how they misjudge his talent also.
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aite as long as others agree that he wasnt and isnt 100%at fault...cuz IMO he isnt and im not a raider fan...but the way everyone went in on him and still do is uncalled for......other qb's never caught the same heat as russell did...and please dont say it was cuz of the guranteed money..lol
wait so doesnt that make russell not at 100% fault...? lol
you guys could have Peyton Manning & you wouldn't win 8 games lol.
the Raiders are just fucked; if they make the Playoffs within the next 10 seasons (unless Al Davis dies in the next two), i'll be shocked.
nobody ever claimed he was 100% at fault. But if youre educated on football then you understand how much of an effect a QB THAT bad as on an entire organization. We arent just talking about how much he hurts the team ON the field. But when you draft a QB #1....you spend the next 2/3 years building AROUND that guy. When he gives you absolutely nothing....you end up sucking, and you end up having to start over. Again, all of this is for an educated football fan. You gotta do some reading man...learn up on the game. There is a reason why he will more then likely be cut by the Raiders. lol CUT! Because they wouldnt be able to trade him for a Double Cheeseburger off the dollar menu right now. He has a VERY strong shot at going down as the biggest bust in NFL history. He will compete with Ryan Leaf. But I can honestly say I would take Leaf over JaMarcus...based on what we have seen from both. And Im sure Cham is knowledgeable enough about the game that he was making a joke...and knows better.
of course he isnt 100% at fault. Im sayin....not 100% at fault for the teams struggles. He IS 100% at fault for himself becoming the biggest bust ever. At first I defended the guy SO much cus he was drafted by a team with a lot of turmoil at the time. But his lack of effort whatsoever...is all on him. And THAT is the reason he will go down as the biggest bust ever. The team was already struggling when they got him...and he actually made them worse. And when you draft a QB with the #1 overall pick...you would expect that your team would be better with that guy. He was worse than any QB theyve had....EVER really lol. If you can bring in a guy like Gradkowski last year...who wouldnt start on ONE team in the league....and they team place twice as good with him under center, there is clearly a problem with JaMarcus. No one can argue how much he hurt the team.
I agree that Jamarcus is hurting the team, and I agree that he couldn't step up and be a leader and instead stepped down further than any of the greats would have stepped down. But I'm not saying he'd ever be good enough to be an all time great. I'm saying that on a real team like the Vikings, the Pats, or the Packers he'd be good enough to be a starter if raised properly in the system.
Would any of the hall of fame QBs have been as bad as Russel has been? Maybe not, but I never said he'd ever be good enough to get in the hall of fame. (that being said if he ended up on a great team and just played average and that team won 2 rings he would get in but that's only because he's a QB on a winning team).
you are taking this "the QB is only as good as the system" thing WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY too far. Jamarcus would suck anywhere. Would he win more games playing for the Pats. Maybe so. Would they make the playoffs with him being the starter? LOL not a chance.
Lets look at the bottom half of the 1st round of the draft. Isnt it a bit of a coincidence that teams with the better records...also have the best QBs...
18 Steelers 9-7
19 Falcons 9-7
20 Texans 9-7
21 Bengals 10-6
22 Patriots 10-6
23 Packers 11-5
24 Eagles 11-5
25 Ravens 9-7
26 Cardinals 10-6
27 Cowboys 11-5
28 Chargers 13-3
29 Jets 9-7 .516
30 Vikings 12-4
31 Colts 14-2
32 Saints 13-3
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aite cool at least you agree wit me there.....but way too many hated on the cable guy
and how did they draft someone that doesnt like to play what they drafted them for? lol
damn see finally others are statin what ive been sayin all this time and will always say unless russell tells me differently....lol
free the cable guy and russell...
Cable hasnt been the problem
Most Raider fans have no put much blame on Cable. The Raiders had the number 1 pick that year. They NEEDED a QB. Drafting any other position would have been looked at as a HUGE mistake. JaMarcus was the consensus #1 pick by virtually EVERY analyst...scout...etc out there. The Raiders made the same mistake in judging this guys talent as everyone else did. The problem is, those analysts, etc can back away and never mention how they misjudge his talent also.
Cable and Kiffin before him can only be as productive as Al Davis allows them to be. The organization is fault because it's not organized. Since the year before Russel got there to now the Oaklad Raiders have had 5 OCs. That's five offensive co-ordinators from 06 to 10. 5 guys in 4 years. How does any rookie QB get inspired when he doesn't know who the guy running the plays is gonna be?
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1.does havin that many oc's really make a difference?
2.and what ive been sayin all along is what shallow is sayin daygo....again i never said i was a pro analyst but hes sayin what ive been sayin....
free kiffin, the cable guy and russell!!!
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aite cool at least you agree wit me there.....but way too many hated on the cable guy
and how did they draft someone that doesnt like to play what they drafted them for? lol
damn see finally others are statin what ive been sayin all this time and will always say unless russell tells me differently....lol
free the cable guy and russell...
Cable hasnt been the problem
Most Raider fans have no put much blame on Cable. The Raiders had the number 1 pick that year. They NEEDED a QB. Drafting any other position would have been looked at as a HUGE mistake. JaMarcus was the consensus #1 pick by virtually EVERY analyst...scout...etc out there. The Raiders made the same mistake in judging this guys talent as everyone else did. The problem is, those analysts, etc can back away and never mention how they misjudge his talent also.
Cable and Kiffin before him can only be as productive as Al Davis allows them to be. The organization is fault because it's not organized. Since the year before Russel got there to now the Oaklad Raiders have had 5 OCs. That's five offensive co-ordinators from 06 to 10. 5 guys in 4 years. How does any rookie QB get inspired when he doesn't know who the guy running the plays is gonna be?
lol poor Jamarcus. The team made him a lazy ass. Seriously...you have GOT to be friends with this guy. I never knew you were the victim mentallity kind of guy. You never seemed like the type.
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related thru uncle...lol
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related thru uncle...lol
seriously...Colin Cowherd on ESPN radio made a good point. And I dont really agree with this guy all the time. But when he talked about Jamarcus he basically said that Jamarcus has probably been that kid that was bigger and stronger than everyone else. When he tried to make a team, his athletisism growing up got him over the top. Because of that, he never had to develop a very strong work ethic. He didnt need it. At some point...he ran into a league (NFL) where everyone is big and strong...and more often then not, the guys with the best work ethics stand out. In his case, the guy with the worst work ethic...is standing out also. You dont become the biggest bust of all time without the blame being on you.
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aite as long as others agree that he wasnt and isnt 100%at fault...cuz IMO he isnt and im not a raider fan...but the way everyone went in on him and still do is uncalled for......other qb's never caught the same heat as russell did...and please dont say it was cuz of the guranteed money..lol
wait so doesnt that make russell not at 100% fault...? lol
you guys could have Peyton Manning & you wouldn't win 8 games lol.
the Raiders are just fucked; if they make the Playoffs within the next 10 seasons (unless Al Davis dies in the next two), i'll be shocked.
nobody ever claimed he was 100% at fault. But if youre educated on football then you understand how much of an effect a QB THAT bad as on an entire organization. We arent just talking about how much he hurts the team ON the field. But when you draft a QB #1....you spend the next 2/3 years building AROUND that guy. When he gives you absolutely nothing....you end up sucking, and you end up having to start over. Again, all of this is for an educated football fan. You gotta do some reading man...learn up on the game. There is a reason why he will more then likely be cut by the Raiders. lol CUT! Because they wouldnt be able to trade him for a Double Cheeseburger off the dollar menu right now. He has a VERY strong shot at going down as the biggest bust in NFL history. He will compete with Ryan Leaf. But I can honestly say I would take Leaf over JaMarcus...based on what we have seen from both. And Im sure Cham is knowledgeable enough about the game that he was making a joke...and knows better.
of course he isnt 100% at fault. Im sayin....not 100% at fault for the teams struggles. He IS 100% at fault for himself becoming the biggest bust ever. At first I defended the guy SO much cus he was drafted by a team with a lot of turmoil at the time. But his lack of effort whatsoever...is all on him. And THAT is the reason he will go down as the biggest bust ever. The team was already struggling when they got him...and he actually made them worse. And when you draft a QB with the #1 overall pick...you would expect that your team would be better with that guy. He was worse than any QB theyve had....EVER really lol. If you can bring in a guy like Gradkowski last year...who wouldnt start on ONE team in the league....and they team place twice as good with him under center, there is clearly a problem with JaMarcus. No one can argue how much he hurt the team.
I agree that Jamarcus is hurting the team, and I agree that he couldn't step up and be a leader and instead stepped down further than any of the greats would have stepped down. But I'm not saying he'd ever be good enough to be an all time great. I'm saying that on a real team like the Vikings, the Pats, or the Packers he'd be good enough to be a starter if raised properly in the system.
Would any of the hall of fame QBs have been as bad as Russel has been? Maybe not, but I never said he'd ever be good enough to get in the hall of fame. (that being said if he ended up on a great team and just played average and that team won 2 rings he would get in but that's only because he's a QB on a winning team).
you are taking this "the QB is only as good as the system" thing WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY too far. Jamarcus would suck anywhere. Would he win more games playing for the Pats. Maybe so. Would they make the playoffs with him being the starter? LOL not a chance.
Lets look at the bottom half of the 1st round of the draft. Isnt it a bit of a coincidence that teams with the better records...also have the best QBs...
18 Steelers 9-7
19 Falcons 9-7
20 Texans 9-7
21 Bengals 10-6
22 Patriots 10-6
23 Packers 11-5
24 Eagles 11-5
25 Ravens 9-7
26 Cardinals 10-6
27 Cowboys 11-5
28 Chargers 13-3
29 Jets 9-7 .516
30 Vikings 12-4
31 Colts 14-2
32 Saints 13-3
Put most of those QBs on the top half of the draft and the top half will still be the top half. Brees has some bad years on the Chargers recently. Manning wouldn't do much for St Louis. The Vikings were a double digit win team with no QB. The Jets had a rookie who played it safe and won with running. You think Sanchez would have made Oakland more than 6-10? Rivers is an overrated joke. Buffalo would still have a top ten draft pick this year with him. Romo on the Skins would mean nothing. Brady on the Browns would mean nothing. Both would still be top half draft teams. Same for Warner on the Bucs, McNabb on the Chiefs, or Rogers on the Seahawks. Niners woudn't be all that much better with Flacco. And Eli is just as good or better than Palmer, Roth, Schaub, or Ryan.
The whole the QB is the key thing can work for a lot of people, but the truth is the QB isn't just 1 of the three aspects of the game. It's one fifth of one of the key aspects of the game. Offense, Defense and Special teams win games, and if you down right lose in two of the three you lose the game. With in offense is play calling, passing, rushing, blocking, and route running. Some QBs are better than other sure, but isn't it also a coincidence that the so called best QBs of all time also had some of the best OCs, o-lines, receivers, and runners playing with them? No QB gets all of those things at a high level, but the QBs on the bottom half of your draft list get at least two to go with the 1 and have 3 of the 5 at least at a high level. While the QBs at the top half of your list barely have 1 of the 5 to to add to their 1 even if they were elite QBs.
Very few losing teams would turn around last year because of position changing. The Bills are the only team I can think that were a great team with great players but terrible pass plays were the killer, but even then Manning is the only QB that could mean anything there for 09, and that's only because you get a new OC with his mind and that makes 2 aspects going from 0 to 1. A great QB with no OC can't do much on a team with a bad o-line too.
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related thru uncle...lol
seriously...Colin Cowherd on ESPN radio made a good point. And I dont really agree with this guy all the time. But when he talked about Jamarcus he basically said that Jamarcus has probably been that kid that was bigger and stronger than everyone else. When he tried to make a team, his athletisism growing up got him over the top. Because of that, he never had to develop a very strong work ethic. He didnt need it. At some point...he ran into a league (NFL) where everyone is big and strong...and more often then not, the guys with the best work ethics stand out. In his case, the guy with the worst work ethic...is standing out also. You dont become the biggest bust of all time without the blame being on you.
I never met him or even like him, but why wasn't he bringing cheeseburger to practice and getting fat? He wasn't handed the starting job at LSU. He competed with Flynn to get it. LSU is a tight ship organization while the Raiders could have the 1988 Niners roster and still find a way to miss the playoffs.
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aite as long as others agree that he wasnt and isnt 100%at fault...cuz IMO he isnt and im not a raider fan...but the way everyone went in on him and still do is uncalled for......other qb's never caught the same heat as russell did...and please dont say it was cuz of the guranteed money..lol
wait so doesnt that make russell not at 100% fault...? lol
you guys could have Peyton Manning & you wouldn't win 8 games lol.
the Raiders are just fucked; if they make the Playoffs within the next 10 seasons (unless Al Davis dies in the next two), i'll be shocked.
nobody ever claimed he was 100% at fault. But if youre educated on football then you understand how much of an effect a QB THAT bad as on an entire organization. We arent just talking about how much he hurts the team ON the field. But when you draft a QB #1....you spend the next 2/3 years building AROUND that guy. When he gives you absolutely nothing....you end up sucking, and you end up having to start over. Again, all of this is for an educated football fan. You gotta do some reading man...learn up on the game. There is a reason why he will more then likely be cut by the Raiders. lol CUT! Because they wouldnt be able to trade him for a Double Cheeseburger off the dollar menu right now. He has a VERY strong shot at going down as the biggest bust in NFL history. He will compete with Ryan Leaf. But I can honestly say I would take Leaf over JaMarcus...based on what we have seen from both. And Im sure Cham is knowledgeable enough about the game that he was making a joke...and knows better.
of course he isnt 100% at fault. Im sayin....not 100% at fault for the teams struggles. He IS 100% at fault for himself becoming the biggest bust ever. At first I defended the guy SO much cus he was drafted by a team with a lot of turmoil at the time. But his lack of effort whatsoever...is all on him. And THAT is the reason he will go down as the biggest bust ever. The team was already struggling when they got him...and he actually made them worse. And when you draft a QB with the #1 overall pick...you would expect that your team would be better with that guy. He was worse than any QB theyve had....EVER really lol. If you can bring in a guy like Gradkowski last year...who wouldnt start on ONE team in the league....and they team place twice as good with him under center, there is clearly a problem with JaMarcus. No one can argue how much he hurt the team.
I agree that Jamarcus is hurting the team, and I agree that he couldn't step up and be a leader and instead stepped down further than any of the greats would have stepped down. But I'm not saying he'd ever be good enough to be an all time great. I'm saying that on a real team like the Vikings, the Pats, or the Packers he'd be good enough to be a starter if raised properly in the system.
Would any of the hall of fame QBs have been as bad as Russel has been? Maybe not, but I never said he'd ever be good enough to get in the hall of fame. (that being said if he ended up on a great team and just played average and that team won 2 rings he would get in but that's only because he's a QB on a winning team).
you are taking this "the QB is only as good as the system" thing WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY too far. Jamarcus would suck anywhere. Would he win more games playing for the Pats. Maybe so. Would they make the playoffs with him being the starter? LOL not a chance.
Lets look at the bottom half of the 1st round of the draft. Isnt it a bit of a coincidence that teams with the better records...also have the best QBs...
18 Steelers 9-7
19 Falcons 9-7
20 Texans 9-7
21 Bengals 10-6
22 Patriots 10-6
23 Packers 11-5
24 Eagles 11-5
25 Ravens 9-7
26 Cardinals 10-6
27 Cowboys 11-5
28 Chargers 13-3
29 Jets 9-7 .516
30 Vikings 12-4
31 Colts 14-2
32 Saints 13-3
Put most of those QBs on the top half of the draft and the top half will still be the top half. Brees has some bad years on the Chargers recently. Manning wouldn't do much for St Louis. The Vikings were a double digit win team with no QB. The Jets had a rookie who played it safe and won with running. You think Sanchez would have made Oakland more than 6-10? Rivers is an overrated joke. Buffalo would still have a top ten draft pick this year with him. Romo on the Skins would mean nothing. Brady on the Browns would mean nothing. Both would still be top half draft teams. Same for Warner on the Bucs, McNabb on the Chiefs, or Rogers on the Seahawks. Niners woudn't be all that much better with Flacco. And Eli is just as good or better than Palmer, Roth, Schaub, or Ryan.
The whole the QB is the key thing can work for a lot of people, but the truth is the QB isn't just 1 of the three aspects of the game. It's one fifth of one of the key aspects of the game. Offense, Defense and Special teams win games, and if you down right lose in two of the three you lose the game. With in offense is play calling, passing, rushing, blocking, and route running. Some QBs are better than other sure, but isn't it also a coincidence that the so called best QBs of all time also had some of the best OCs, o-lines, receivers, and runners playing with them? No QB gets all of those things at a high level, but the QBs on the bottom half of your draft list get at least two to go with the 1 and have 3 of the 5 at least at a high level. While the QBs at the top half of your list barely have 1 of the 5 to to add to their 1 even if they were elite QBs.
Very few losing teams would turn around last year because of position changing. The Bills are the only team I can think that were a great team with great players but terrible pass plays were the killer, but even then Manning is the only QB that could mean anything there for 09, and that's only because you get a new OC with his mind and that makes 2 aspects going from 0 to 1. A great QB with no OC can't do much on a team with a bad o-line too.
lol are you a Bills fan?
You attempt to use logic alot in your arguments...and then when something so obvious as the bottom 15 teams in the draft have the best QBs....and the 17 teams who are drafting early..have the worst QBs....you try to ignore it lol There ALWAYS exceptions. But the rare exception doesnt change the obvious trend.
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related thru uncle...lol
seriously...Colin Cowherd on ESPN radio made a good point. And I dont really agree with this guy all the time. But when he talked about Jamarcus he basically said that Jamarcus has probably been that kid that was bigger and stronger than everyone else. When he tried to make a team, his athletisism growing up got him over the top. Because of that, he never had to develop a very strong work ethic. He didnt need it. At some point...he ran into a league (NFL) where everyone is big and strong...and more often then not, the guys with the best work ethics stand out. In his case, the guy with the worst work ethic...is standing out also. You dont become the biggest bust of all time without the blame being on you.
I never met him or even like him, but why wasn't he bringing cheeseburger to practice and getting fat? He wasn't handed the starting job at LSU. He competed with Flynn to get it. LSU is a tight ship organization while the Raiders could have the 1988 Niners roster and still find a way to miss the playoffs.
you clearly have another agenda with your arguments. You must really hate the Raiders. Did they do something to you? lol I think we can all agree...hopefully you can accept the truth on this one....that college and the Pros are two completely different games sometimes. Then again...you think Tebow was a great choice. Even while virtually every other analyst in the world sees it as stupid. Gino Toretta was an amazing college QB...Heisman winner even. Didnt quite workout in the pros lol Id imagine youd think that was all because of the franchise he was drafted to...not just him.
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related thru uncle...lol
seriously...Colin Cowherd on ESPN radio made a good point. And I dont really agree with this guy all the time. But when he talked about Jamarcus he basically said that Jamarcus has probably been that kid that was bigger and stronger than everyone else. When he tried to make a team, his athletisism growing up got him over the top. Because of that, he never had to develop a very strong work ethic. He didnt need it. At some point...he ran into a league (NFL) where everyone is big and strong...and more often then not, the guys with the best work ethics stand out. In his case, the guy with the worst work ethic...is standing out also. You dont become the biggest bust of all time without the blame being on you.
I never met him or even like him, but why wasn't he bringing cheeseburger to practice and getting fat? He wasn't handed the starting job at LSU. He competed with Flynn to get it. LSU is a tight ship organization while the Raiders could have the 1988 Niners roster and still find a way to miss the playoffs.
you clearly have another agenda with your arguments. You must really hate the Raiders. Did they do something to you? lol I think we can all agree...hopefully you can accept the truth on this one....that college and the Pros are two completely different games sometimes. Then again...you think Tebow was a great choice. Even while virtually every other analyst in the world sees it as stupid. Gino Toretta was an amazing college QB...Heisman winner even. Didnt quite workout in the pros lol Id imagine youd think that was all because of the franchise he was drafted to...not just him.
There's no agenda. Just a philosophy. Some QBs don't have the talent or style for the pros, but that has nothing to do with getting fat and giving up. Losing does that to some people.
I solidly believe in my philosphoes. Brady and Griese were the exact same player in te exact same system, and one went to a struggling on their way out Broncos while the other went to the one their way up Pats. Reverse their teams and you'd reverse their careers.
Gino Toretta never had a chance for me to judge him. They played him at backup every where he went and deemed him unworthy from day one before the draft even started.
You know they did the same thing with Doug Flutie. Shit, even shipped him up here to Canada for most of his prime. Then in 98 he finally got a shot to start on a decent team, my Bills, and took us to the playoffs both years he started. Then they benched him on playoff day for no reason and we lost, and never got back to the playoffs since. And if I told you in 97 that Doug Flutie would come to the Bills and take the 6-10 Bills after a 0-3 start in a transition year to 10-6 and 11-5 you'd laugh at me as you should. But it happened, because he got a real chance to shine on a good team. So who knows what would have happened to Gino Toretta if there wasa Josh McDaniels of the time that felt this guy was the future of a franchise and gave him a real chance.
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related thru uncle...lol
seriously...Colin Cowherd on ESPN radio made a good point. And I dont really agree with this guy all the time. But when he talked about Jamarcus he basically said that Jamarcus has probably been that kid that was bigger and stronger than everyone else. When he tried to make a team, his athletisism growing up got him over the top. Because of that, he never had to develop a very strong work ethic. He didnt need it. At some point...he ran into a league (NFL) where everyone is big and strong...and more often then not, the guys with the best work ethics stand out. In his case, the guy with the worst work ethic...is standing out also. You dont become the biggest bust of all time without the blame being on you.
I never met him or even like him, but why wasn't he bringing cheeseburger to practice and getting fat? He wasn't handed the starting job at LSU. He competed with Flynn to get it. LSU is a tight ship organization while the Raiders could have the 1988 Niners roster and still find a way to miss the playoffs.
you clearly have another agenda with your arguments. You must really hate the Raiders. Did they do something to you? lol I think we can all agree...hopefully you can accept the truth on this one....that college and the Pros are two completely different games sometimes. Then again...you think Tebow was a great choice. Even while virtually every other analyst in the world sees it as stupid. Gino Toretta was an amazing college QB...Heisman winner even. Didnt quite workout in the pros lol Id imagine youd think that was all because of the franchise he was drafted to...not just him.
There's no agenda. Just a philosophy. Some QBs don't have the talent or style for the pros, but that has nothing to do with getting fat and giving up. Losing does that to some people.
I solidly believe in my philosphoes. Brady and Griese were the exact same player in te exact same system, and one went to a struggling on their way out Broncos while the other went to the one their way up Pats. Reverse their teams and you'd reverse their careers.
Gino Toretta never had a chance for me to judge him. They played him at backup every where he went and deemed him unworthy from day one before the draft even started.
You know they did the same thing with Doug Flutie. Shit, even shipped him up here to Canada for most of his prime. Then in 98 he finally got a shot to start on a decent team, my Bills, and took us to the playoffs both years he started. Then they benched him on playoff day for no reason and we lost, and never got back to the playoffs since. And if I told you in 97 that Doug Flutie would come to the Bills and take the 6-10 Bills after a 0-3 start in a transition year to 10-6 and 11-5 you'd laugh at me as you should. But it happened, because he got a real chance to shine on a good team. So who knows what would have happened to Gino Toretta if there wasa Josh McDaniels of the time that felt this guy was the future of a franchise and gave him a real chance.
The problem is you believe in your philosphy so strongly that you ignore certain things that are clearly obvious to everyone else. I agree to an extent that the system can help or hurt a QB. I dont think the system is gonna turn a bad QB into a HOF'er and a Great QB into a bust. Being a great QB is as much about being a leader as it is about being a talent. Jeff George was one of the most talented passers EVER. Even Shanahan said "Out of the ten best passes ive ever seen, George threw 8 of em". He couldnt put together a solid career ANYwhere he went. He didnt have the mindset to play QB in the NFL...no matter how great his arm was. Jamarcus has neither the arm...the will...the work ethic...or the mindset. He has a strong arm. But cmon man. You think the organization being chaotic should keep him from making throws that a decent high school QB would make?
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related thru uncle...lol
seriously...Colin Cowherd on ESPN radio made a good point. And I dont really agree with this guy all the time. But when he talked about Jamarcus he basically said that Jamarcus has probably been that kid that was bigger and stronger than everyone else. When he tried to make a team, his athletisism growing up got him over the top. Because of that, he never had to develop a very strong work ethic. He didnt need it. At some point...he ran into a league (NFL) where everyone is big and strong...and more often then not, the guys with the best work ethics stand out. In his case, the guy with the worst work ethic...is standing out also. You dont become the biggest bust of all time without the blame being on you.
I never met him or even like him, but why wasn't he bringing cheeseburger to practice and getting fat? He wasn't handed the starting job at LSU. He competed with Flynn to get it. LSU is a tight ship organization while the Raiders could have the 1988 Niners roster and still find a way to miss the playoffs.
you clearly have another agenda with your arguments. You must really hate the Raiders. Did they do something to you? lol I think we can all agree...hopefully you can accept the truth on this one....that college and the Pros are two completely different games sometimes. Then again...you think Tebow was a great choice. Even while virtually every other analyst in the world sees it as stupid. Gino Toretta was an amazing college QB...Heisman winner even. Didnt quite workout in the pros lol Id imagine youd think that was all because of the franchise he was drafted to...not just him.
There's no agenda. Just a philosophy. Some QBs don't have the talent or style for the pros, but that has nothing to do with getting fat and giving up. Losing does that to some people.
I solidly believe in my philosphoes. Brady and Griese were the exact same player in te exact same system, and one went to a struggling on their way out Broncos while the other went to the one their way up Pats. Reverse their teams and you'd reverse their careers.
Gino Toretta never had a chance for me to judge him. They played him at backup every where he went and deemed him unworthy from day one before the draft even started.
You know they did the same thing with Doug Flutie. Shit, even shipped him up here to Canada for most of his prime. Then in 98 he finally got a shot to start on a decent team, my Bills, and took us to the playoffs both years he started. Then they benched him on playoff day for no reason and we lost, and never got back to the playoffs since. And if I told you in 97 that Doug Flutie would come to the Bills and take the 6-10 Bills after a 0-3 start in a transition year to 10-6 and 11-5 you'd laugh at me as you should. But it happened, because he got a real chance to shine on a good team. So who knows what would have happened to Gino Toretta if there wasa Josh McDaniels of the time that felt this guy was the future of a franchise and gave him a real chance.
The problem is you believe in your philosphy so strongly that you ignore certain things that are clearly obvious to everyone else. I agree to an extent that the system can help or hurt a QB. I dont think the system is gonna turn a bad QB into a HOF'er and a Great QB into a bust. Being a great QB is as much about being a leader as it is about being a talent. Jeff George was one of the most talented passers EVER. Even Shanahan said "Out of the ten best passes ive ever seen, George threw 8 of em". He couldnt put together a solid career ANYwhere he went. He didnt have the mindset to play QB in the NFL...no matter how great his arm was. Jamarcus has neither the arm...the will...the work ethic...or the mindset. He has a strong arm. But cmon man. You think the organization being chaotic should keep him from making throws that a decent high school QB would make?
Jeff George had some terrible career numbers, but one season he had 4000 yards, 30 TDs and 10 INTs or something like that and his wins didn't go up at all. Where were these great teams he was on? I'm saying he was Peyton Manning or Dan Marino as a QB, but if Jeff George had been one year older he would have been drafted by the Cowboys instead of the Colts and it may have been him with 3 rings on that power house Cowboys team.
I can't show anyone that a QB who never had a great team would perform because there's no evidence but because there's so many QBs that were not so great on bad teams and ended up being very great on great teams I believe that the ones that never got a chance would have done better in better situations. Doug Williams and Steve Young staying on the Bucs would have amounted to nothing. Steve Young becomes an all time great and Williams wins 1 more ring than Marino and Fouts. Doug Flutie I already used as an example. Kyle Orton went from chump to champ in one year stats wise. They actully missed him when he got hurt. They never missed him in Chicago. Cassel goes from NE to KC and suddenly he throws 800 less yards, completes almost ten percent less passes and loses 5 TDs while gaining 5 INTs. Cassel didn't get any worse or better and he's getting a second chance only because of what he showed he could do on a great team.
I've spent years studying and honing my philosophies on this and I came to the conclusion that the only reason the QB is praised the way he is by the NFL is for economical reasons. They have to convince the audience the the difference in QB play was the difference in the game. They still say 2 time super bowl champ Big Ben. He Won them two rings. blah blah blah. That first ring he played so bad they won in spite of him, not because of him, but they'll never come out and say that. Did you hear one single big name analyst say Ben stunk it up and Pit won anyway? At best they said Ben didn't have a big game but it was enough for a win. He went 9 for fucking 21 and barely got 100 yards. The best pass play of the day was from a WR who threw the only TD pass. Ben through zero, but threw two picks. Ben's number's would look bad in 1965. In 2005 they were abysmal. But "he" got the ring. Fuck that. I can think for myself.
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related thru uncle...lol
seriously...Colin Cowherd on ESPN radio made a good point. And I dont really agree with this guy all the time. But when he talked about Jamarcus he basically said that Jamarcus has probably been that kid that was bigger and stronger than everyone else. When he tried to make a team, his athletisism growing up got him over the top. Because of that, he never had to develop a very strong work ethic. He didnt need it. At some point...he ran into a league (NFL) where everyone is big and strong...and more often then not, the guys with the best work ethics stand out. In his case, the guy with the worst work ethic...is standing out also. You dont become the biggest bust of all time without the blame being on you.
I never met him or even like him, but why wasn't he bringing cheeseburger to practice and getting fat? He wasn't handed the starting job at LSU. He competed with Flynn to get it. LSU is a tight ship organization while the Raiders could have the 1988 Niners roster and still find a way to miss the playoffs.
you clearly have another agenda with your arguments. You must really hate the Raiders. Did they do something to you? lol I think we can all agree...hopefully you can accept the truth on this one....that college and the Pros are two completely different games sometimes. Then again...you think Tebow was a great choice. Even while virtually every other analyst in the world sees it as stupid. Gino Toretta was an amazing college QB...Heisman winner even. Didnt quite workout in the pros lol Id imagine youd think that was all because of the franchise he was drafted to...not just him.
There's no agenda. Just a philosophy. Some QBs don't have the talent or style for the pros, but that has nothing to do with getting fat and giving up. Losing does that to some people.
I solidly believe in my philosphoes. Brady and Griese were the exact same player in te exact same system, and one went to a struggling on their way out Broncos while the other went to the one their way up Pats. Reverse their teams and you'd reverse their careers.
Gino Toretta never had a chance for me to judge him. They played him at backup every where he went and deemed him unworthy from day one before the draft even started.
You know they did the same thing with Doug Flutie. Shit, even shipped him up here to Canada for most of his prime. Then in 98 he finally got a shot to start on a decent team, my Bills, and took us to the playoffs both years he started. Then they benched him on playoff day for no reason and we lost, and never got back to the playoffs since. And if I told you in 97 that Doug Flutie would come to the Bills and take the 6-10 Bills after a 0-3 start in a transition year to 10-6 and 11-5 you'd laugh at me as you should. But it happened, because he got a real chance to shine on a good team. So who knows what would have happened to Gino Toretta if there wasa Josh McDaniels of the time that felt this guy was the future of a franchise and gave him a real chance.
The problem is you believe in your philosphy so strongly that you ignore certain things that are clearly obvious to everyone else. I agree to an extent that the system can help or hurt a QB. I dont think the system is gonna turn a bad QB into a HOF'er and a Great QB into a bust. Being a great QB is as much about being a leader as it is about being a talent. Jeff George was one of the most talented passers EVER. Even Shanahan said "Out of the ten best passes ive ever seen, George threw 8 of em". He couldnt put together a solid career ANYwhere he went. He didnt have the mindset to play QB in the NFL...no matter how great his arm was. Jamarcus has neither the arm...the will...the work ethic...or the mindset. He has a strong arm. But cmon man. You think the organization being chaotic should keep him from making throws that a decent high school QB would make?
Jeff George had some terrible career numbers, but one season he had 4000 yards, 30 TDs and 10 INTs or something like that and his wins didn't go up at all. Where were these great teams he was on? I'm saying he was Peyton Manning or Dan Marino as a QB, but if Jeff George had been one year older he would have been drafted by the Cowboys instead of the Colts and it may have been him with 3 rings on that power house Cowboys team.
I can't show anyone that a QB who never had a great team would perform because there's no evidence but because there's so many QBs that were not so great on bad teams and ended up being very great on great teams I believe that the ones that never got a chance would have done better in better situations. Doug Williams and Steve Young staying on the Bucs would have amounted to nothing. Steve Young becomes an all time great and Williams wins 1 more ring than Marino and Fouts. Doug Flutie I already used as an example. Kyle Orton went from chump to champ in one year stats wise. They actully missed him when he got hurt. They never missed him in Chicago. Cassel goes from NE to KC and suddenly he throws 800 less yards, completes almost ten percent less passes and loses 5 TDs while gaining 5 INTs. Cassel didn't get any worse or better and he's getting a second chance only because of what he showed he could do on a great team.
I've spent years studying and honing my philosophies on this and I came to the conclusion that the only reason the QB is praised the way he is by the NFL is for economical reasons. They have to convince the audience the the difference in QB play was the difference in the game. They still say 2 time super bowl champ Big Ben. He Won them two rings. blah blah blah. That first ring he played so bad they won in spite of him, not because of him, but they'll never come out and say that. Did you hear one single big name analyst say Ben stunk it up and Pit won anyway? At best they said Ben didn't have a big game but it was enough for a win. He went 9 for fucking 21 and barely got 100 yards. The best pass play of the day was from a WR who threw the only TD pass. Ben through zero, but threw two picks. Ben's number's would look bad in 1965. In 2005 they were abysmal. But "he" got the ring. Fuck that. I can think for myself.
the thing is youre basing this on YOUR own opinion of who is great or not. So that way...you can never be wrong in your theory. You have used Brady as your example when the rest of the world considers him a great QB. Am I fan of Brady? Hell no. Do I think Peyton is a better QB? Yes. Do I think Peyton would be a great QB if he played for...i dunno....the Bills this whole time? Yes. Montana without a doubt had better teams than Marino. I believe Marino is a better QB than Montana. And that opinion is shared by many. Not all, but many. Does the system matter...yes. Is it everything? Of course not. If the system was everything....QB's wouldnt be paid what they are. It is without a shadow of a doubt, THE most important position on th field. Offense like is huge...but that isnt a position. Its a group of positions. So yes, have a good or great QB means almost everything when it comes to winning in this league. Again, there ARE always exception to every rule. But if Im gonna bet....I'll go with the numbers.
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related thru uncle...lol
seriously...Colin Cowherd on ESPN radio made a good point. And I dont really agree with this guy all the time. But when he talked about Jamarcus he basically said that Jamarcus has probably been that kid that was bigger and stronger than everyone else. When he tried to make a team, his athletisism growing up got him over the top. Because of that, he never had to develop a very strong work ethic. He didnt need it. At some point...he ran into a league (NFL) where everyone is big and strong...and more often then not, the guys with the best work ethics stand out. In his case, the guy with the worst work ethic...is standing out also. You dont become the biggest bust of all time without the blame being on you.
I never met him or even like him, but why wasn't he bringing cheeseburger to practice and getting fat? He wasn't handed the starting job at LSU. He competed with Flynn to get it. LSU is a tight ship organization while the Raiders could have the 1988 Niners roster and still find a way to miss the playoffs.
you clearly have another agenda with your arguments. You must really hate the Raiders. Did they do something to you? lol I think we can all agree...hopefully you can accept the truth on this one....that college and the Pros are two completely different games sometimes. Then again...you think Tebow was a great choice. Even while virtually every other analyst in the world sees it as stupid. Gino Toretta was an amazing college QB...Heisman winner even. Didnt quite workout in the pros lol Id imagine youd think that was all because of the franchise he was drafted to...not just him.
There's no agenda. Just a philosophy. Some QBs don't have the talent or style for the pros, but that has nothing to do with getting fat and giving up. Losing does that to some people.
I solidly believe in my philosphoes. Brady and Griese were the exact same player in te exact same system, and one went to a struggling on their way out Broncos while the other went to the one their way up Pats. Reverse their teams and you'd reverse their careers.
Gino Toretta never had a chance for me to judge him. They played him at backup every where he went and deemed him unworthy from day one before the draft even started.
You know they did the same thing with Doug Flutie. Shit, even shipped him up here to Canada for most of his prime. Then in 98 he finally got a shot to start on a decent team, my Bills, and took us to the playoffs both years he started. Then they benched him on playoff day for no reason and we lost, and never got back to the playoffs since. And if I told you in 97 that Doug Flutie would come to the Bills and take the 6-10 Bills after a 0-3 start in a transition year to 10-6 and 11-5 you'd laugh at me as you should. But it happened, because he got a real chance to shine on a good team. So who knows what would have happened to Gino Toretta if there wasa Josh McDaniels of the time that felt this guy was the future of a franchise and gave him a real chance.
The problem is you believe in your philosphy so strongly that you ignore certain things that are clearly obvious to everyone else. I agree to an extent that the system can help or hurt a QB. I dont think the system is gonna turn a bad QB into a HOF'er and a Great QB into a bust. Being a great QB is as much about being a leader as it is about being a talent. Jeff George was one of the most talented passers EVER. Even Shanahan said "Out of the ten best passes ive ever seen, George threw 8 of em". He couldnt put together a solid career ANYwhere he went. He didnt have the mindset to play QB in the NFL...no matter how great his arm was. Jamarcus has neither the arm...the will...the work ethic...or the mindset. He has a strong arm. But cmon man. You think the organization being chaotic should keep him from making throws that a decent high school QB would make?
Jeff George had some terrible career numbers, but one season he had 4000 yards, 30 TDs and 10 INTs or something like that and his wins didn't go up at all. Where were these great teams he was on? I'm saying he was Peyton Manning or Dan Marino as a QB, but if Jeff George had been one year older he would have been drafted by the Cowboys instead of the Colts and it may have been him with 3 rings on that power house Cowboys team.
I can't show anyone that a QB who never had a great team would perform because there's no evidence but because there's so many QBs that were not so great on bad teams and ended up being very great on great teams I believe that the ones that never got a chance would have done better in better situations. Doug Williams and Steve Young staying on the Bucs would have amounted to nothing. Steve Young becomes an all time great and Williams wins 1 more ring than Marino and Fouts. Doug Flutie I already used as an example. Kyle Orton went from chump to champ in one year stats wise. They actully missed him when he got hurt. They never missed him in Chicago. Cassel goes from NE to KC and suddenly he throws 800 less yards, completes almost ten percent less passes and loses 5 TDs while gaining 5 INTs. Cassel didn't get any worse or better and he's getting a second chance only because of what he showed he could do on a great team.
I've spent years studying and honing my philosophies on this and I came to the conclusion that the only reason the QB is praised the way he is by the NFL is for economical reasons. They have to convince the audience the the difference in QB play was the difference in the game. They still say 2 time super bowl champ Big Ben. He Won them two rings. blah blah blah. That first ring he played so bad they won in spite of him, not because of him, but they'll never come out and say that. Did you hear one single big name analyst say Ben stunk it up and Pit won anyway? At best they said Ben didn't have a big game but it was enough for a win. He went 9 for fucking 21 and barely got 100 yards. The best pass play of the day was from a WR who threw the only TD pass. Ben through zero, but threw two picks. Ben's number's would look bad in 1965. In 2005 they were abysmal. But "he" got the ring. Fuck that. I can think for myself.
the thing is youre basing this on YOUR own opinion of who is great or not. So that way...you can never be wrong in your theory. You have used Brady as your example when the rest of the world considers him a great QB. Am I fan of Brady? Hell no. Do I think Peyton is a better QB? Yes. Do I think Peyton would be a great QB if he played for...i dunno....the Bills this whole time? Yes. Montana without a doubt had better teams than Marino. I believe Marino is a better QB than Montana. And that opinion is shared by many. Not all, but many. Does the system matter...yes. Is it everything? Of course not. If the system was everything....QB's wouldnt be paid what they are. It is without a shadow of a doubt, THE most important position on th field. Offense like is huge...but that isnt a position. Its a group of positions. So yes, have a good or great QB means almost everything when it comes to winning in this league. Again, there ARE always exception to every rule. But if Im gonna bet....I'll go with the numbers.
I think Brady is great. I just don't think he's great enough to win anywhere, and that is where I differ from most of the rest of the people I argue with.
Brees showed us that he can go from very good to elite in a few seasons after injury. Did he somehow become a better player, or is the new system responsible? Would NO have won with Grossman? No, but there are more QBs that Sean Peyton could have won with other than Brees than there are systems Brees could have won with besides Payton's.
Brees is now one of the great QBs in the league. But if it were the Lions that picked him up instead of the Saints he my have sat home the last year with nowhere to play. That's my point.
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related thru uncle...lol
seriously...Colin Cowherd on ESPN radio made a good point. And I dont really agree with this guy all the time. But when he talked about Jamarcus he basically said that Jamarcus has probably been that kid that was bigger and stronger than everyone else. When he tried to make a team, his athletisism growing up got him over the top. Because of that, he never had to develop a very strong work ethic. He didnt need it. At some point...he ran into a league (NFL) where everyone is big and strong...and more often then not, the guys with the best work ethics stand out. In his case, the guy with the worst work ethic...is standing out also. You dont become the biggest bust of all time without the blame being on you.
I never met him or even like him, but why wasn't he bringing cheeseburger to practice and getting fat? He wasn't handed the starting job at LSU. He competed with Flynn to get it. LSU is a tight ship organization while the Raiders could have the 1988 Niners roster and still find a way to miss the playoffs.
you clearly have another agenda with your arguments. You must really hate the Raiders. Did they do something to you? lol I think we can all agree...hopefully you can accept the truth on this one....that college and the Pros are two completely different games sometimes. Then again...you think Tebow was a great choice. Even while virtually every other analyst in the world sees it as stupid. Gino Toretta was an amazing college QB...Heisman winner even. Didnt quite workout in the pros lol Id imagine youd think that was all because of the franchise he was drafted to...not just him.
There's no agenda. Just a philosophy. Some QBs don't have the talent or style for the pros, but that has nothing to do with getting fat and giving up. Losing does that to some people.
I solidly believe in my philosphoes. Brady and Griese were the exact same player in te exact same system, and one went to a struggling on their way out Broncos while the other went to the one their way up Pats. Reverse their teams and you'd reverse their careers.
Gino Toretta never had a chance for me to judge him. They played him at backup every where he went and deemed him unworthy from day one before the draft even started.
You know they did the same thing with Doug Flutie. Shit, even shipped him up here to Canada for most of his prime. Then in 98 he finally got a shot to start on a decent team, my Bills, and took us to the playoffs both years he started. Then they benched him on playoff day for no reason and we lost, and never got back to the playoffs since. And if I told you in 97 that Doug Flutie would come to the Bills and take the 6-10 Bills after a 0-3 start in a transition year to 10-6 and 11-5 you'd laugh at me as you should. But it happened, because he got a real chance to shine on a good team. So who knows what would have happened to Gino Toretta if there wasa Josh McDaniels of the time that felt this guy was the future of a franchise and gave him a real chance.
The problem is you believe in your philosphy so strongly that you ignore certain things that are clearly obvious to everyone else. I agree to an extent that the system can help or hurt a QB. I dont think the system is gonna turn a bad QB into a HOF'er and a Great QB into a bust. Being a great QB is as much about being a leader as it is about being a talent. Jeff George was one of the most talented passers EVER. Even Shanahan said "Out of the ten best passes ive ever seen, George threw 8 of em". He couldnt put together a solid career ANYwhere he went. He didnt have the mindset to play QB in the NFL...no matter how great his arm was. Jamarcus has neither the arm...the will...the work ethic...or the mindset. He has a strong arm. But cmon man. You think the organization being chaotic should keep him from making throws that a decent high school QB would make?
Jeff George had some terrible career numbers, but one season he had 4000 yards, 30 TDs and 10 INTs or something like that and his wins didn't go up at all. Where were these great teams he was on? I'm saying he was Peyton Manning or Dan Marino as a QB, but if Jeff George had been one year older he would have been drafted by the Cowboys instead of the Colts and it may have been him with 3 rings on that power house Cowboys team.
I can't show anyone that a QB who never had a great team would perform because there's no evidence but because there's so many QBs that were not so great on bad teams and ended up being very great on great teams I believe that the ones that never got a chance would have done better in better situations. Doug Williams and Steve Young staying on the Bucs would have amounted to nothing. Steve Young becomes an all time great and Williams wins 1 more ring than Marino and Fouts. Doug Flutie I already used as an example. Kyle Orton went from chump to champ in one year stats wise. They actully missed him when he got hurt. They never missed him in Chicago. Cassel goes from NE to KC and suddenly he throws 800 less yards, completes almost ten percent less passes and loses 5 TDs while gaining 5 INTs. Cassel didn't get any worse or better and he's getting a second chance only because of what he showed he could do on a great team.
I've spent years studying and honing my philosophies on this and I came to the conclusion that the only reason the QB is praised the way he is by the NFL is for economical reasons. They have to convince the audience the the difference in QB play was the difference in the game. They still say 2 time super bowl champ Big Ben. He Won them two rings. blah blah blah. That first ring he played so bad they won in spite of him, not because of him, but they'll never come out and say that. Did you hear one single big name analyst say Ben stunk it up and Pit won anyway? At best they said Ben didn't have a big game but it was enough for a win. He went 9 for fucking 21 and barely got 100 yards. The best pass play of the day was from a WR who threw the only TD pass. Ben through zero, but threw two picks. Ben's number's would look bad in 1965. In 2005 they were abysmal. But "he" got the ring. Fuck that. I can think for myself.
the thing is youre basing this on YOUR own opinion of who is great or not. So that way...you can never be wrong in your theory. You have used Brady as your example when the rest of the world considers him a great QB. Am I fan of Brady? Hell no. Do I think Peyton is a better QB? Yes. Do I think Peyton would be a great QB if he played for...i dunno....the Bills this whole time? Yes. Montana without a doubt had better teams than Marino. I believe Marino is a better QB than Montana. And that opinion is shared by many. Not all, but many. Does the system matter...yes. Is it everything? Of course not. If the system was everything....QB's wouldnt be paid what they are. It is without a shadow of a doubt, THE most important position on th field. Offense like is huge...but that isnt a position. Its a group of positions. So yes, have a good or great QB means almost everything when it comes to winning in this league. Again, there ARE always exception to every rule. But if Im gonna bet....I'll go with the numbers.
I think Brady is great. I just don't think he's great enough to win anywhere, and that is where I differ from most of the rest of the people I argue with.
Brees showed us that he can go from very good to elite in a few seasons after injury. Did he somehow become a better player, or is the new system responsible? Would NO have won with Grossman? No, but there are more QBs that Sean Peyton could have won with other than Brees than there are systems Brees could have won with besides Payton's.
Brees is now one of the great QBs in the league. But if it were the Lions that picked him up instead of the Saints he my have sat home the last year with nowhere to play. That's my point.
Maybe a combination of the system and Brees improving. Rivers did pretty well stepping in for Brees. And Yeah there are other QBs Sean Peyton could of won with....but those other QB's would be Manning, Brady, etc. If you put just an above average QB in there...they wouldnt have made it past the Vikes...the Colts...and would not have been 13-3..
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What you are forgetting is that his last year on the Chargers... Brees had a career year for that time. San Diego gave up on him and he was only 3-4 years in the league. They thought he'd never be the answer. They drafted Rivers, and then Brees just came up and did better than San Diego thought he'd ever do. They figured it was a fluke and traded him well he still had value. Brees was not a benefactor to his new system, he just matured at a certain time. I was always hoping this for Russell, and maybe someday it will happen. But not as a Raider.
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What you are forgetting is that his last year on the Chargers... Brees had a career year for that time. San Diego gave up on him and he was only 3-4 years in the league. They thought he'd never be the answer. They drafted Rivers, and then Brees just came up and did better than San Diego thought he'd ever do. They figured it was a fluke and traded him well he still had value. Brees was not a benefactor to his new system, he just matured at a certain time. I was always hoping this for Russell, and maybe someday it will happen. But not as a Raider.
They didn't trade Brees. They just chose not to use the slavery tag on him again like they did in 2005. But that dude won out in the end ;D
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What you are forgetting is that his last year on the Chargers... Brees had a career year for that time. San Diego gave up on him and he was only 3-4 years in the league. They thought he'd never be the answer. They drafted Rivers, and then Brees just came up and did better than San Diego thought he'd ever do. They figured it was a fluke and traded him well he still had value. Brees was not a benefactor to his new system, he just matured at a certain time. I was always hoping this for Russell, and maybe someday it will happen. But not as a Raider.
The Chargers were a great team that last year of Brees. They were also a great team the next year. But they had LT in his prime both those years to carry the offense, and the defense finally came into it's own. I'm comparing how good Brees looked when the Chargers were a bad team. The Brees that most people were calling to be benched in favor of a 40 year old CFLer.
The point is simple, and everyone sems to think it's the QB when it's the team. When the team sucks most of these great QBs look very average, and if staying on those bad teams the whole would never be looked at anything special. So the true greats, the Marino's and Manning's who shine like stars despite the team being good or bad, and never truly great, are the ones that should be heralded higher than the QBs that just happened to be on the great teams. Brees's best numbers on SD aren't even close to Manning's worst numbers on at least a couple very horrible Colts teams (98 and 01).
and Saints going over the Vikes wouldn't have happened if Jesus Christ was playing QB if the Vikes just held on to the ball those 3 or 4 times.
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What you are forgetting is that his last year on the Chargers... Brees had a career year for that time. San Diego gave up on him and he was only 3-4 years in the league. They thought he'd never be the answer. They drafted Rivers, and then Brees just came up and did better than San Diego thought he'd ever do. They figured it was a fluke and traded him well he still had value. Brees was not a benefactor to his new system, he just matured at a certain time. I was always hoping this for Russell, and maybe someday it will happen. But not as a Raider.
and Saints going over the Vikes wouldn't have happened if Jesus Christ was playing QB if the Vikes just held on to the ball those 3 or 4 times.
As long as people have been waiting on Jesus...its clear he has the same issues as Tebow.....slow delivery.
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What you are forgetting is that his last year on the Chargers... Brees had a career year for that time. San Diego gave up on him and he was only 3-4 years in the league. They thought he'd never be the answer. They drafted Rivers, and then Brees just came up and did better than San Diego thought he'd ever do. They figured it was a fluke and traded him well he still had value. Brees was not a benefactor to his new system, he just matured at a certain time. I was always hoping this for Russell, and maybe someday it will happen. But not as a Raider.
and Saints going over the Vikes wouldn't have happened if Jesus Christ was playing QB if the Vikes just held on to the ball those 3 or 4 times.
As long as people have been waiting on Jesus...its clear he has the same issues as Tebow.....slow delivery.
Well played Sir,Well played.
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What you are forgetting is that his last year on the Chargers... Brees had a career year for that time. San Diego gave up on him and he was only 3-4 years in the league. They thought he'd never be the answer. They drafted Rivers, and then Brees just came up and did better than San Diego thought he'd ever do. They figured it was a fluke and traded him well he still had value. Brees was not a benefactor to his new system, he just matured at a certain time. I was always hoping this for Russell, and maybe someday it will happen. But not as a Raider.
and Saints going over the Vikes wouldn't have happened if Jesus Christ was playing QB if the Vikes just held on to the ball those 3 or 4 times.
As long as people have been waiting on Jesus...its clear he has the same issues as Tebow.....slow delivery.
Well played Sir,Well played.
thank u, thank
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What you are forgetting is that his last year on the Chargers... Brees had a career year for that time. San Diego gave up on him and he was only 3-4 years in the league. They thought he'd never be the answer. They drafted Rivers, and then Brees just came up and did better than San Diego thought he'd ever do. They figured it was a fluke and traded him well he still had value. Brees was not a benefactor to his new system, he just matured at a certain time. I was always hoping this for Russell, and maybe someday it will happen. But not as a Raider.
and Saints going over the Vikes wouldn't have happened if Jesus Christ was playing QB if the Vikes just held on to the ball those 3 or 4 times.
As long as people have been waiting on Jesus...its clear he has the same issues as Tebow.....slow delivery.
Say what ever you want about the Lord and Saviour, so long as you realize Brees had about as much to do with the Vikings loss as I did.
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lol^^^^
and damn they talkin bout lettin russell go in the next couple of days....holy shhhhh
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lol^^^^
and damn they talkin bout lettin russell go in the next couple of days....holy shhhhh
told you, dumb ass cost himself money. I guess 3 of that 9 million is guaranteed, but that's still 6 million his not going to get, and that's 6 million no team will give him.
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aite fair but im not goin to kill him and say he didnt want to play or learn or become better...that theory til i talk to him wont stand...lol
lol^^^^
and damn they talkin bout lettin russell go in the next couple of days....holy shhhhh
told you, dumb ass cost himself money. I guess 3 of that 9 million is guaranteed, but that's still 6 million his not going to get, and that's 6 million no team will give him.
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aite fair but im not goin to kill him and say he didnt want to play or learn or become better...that theory til i talk to him wont stand...lol
lol^^^^
and damn they talkin bout lettin russell go in the next couple of days....holy shhhhh
told you, dumb ass cost himself money. I guess 3 of that 9 million is guaranteed, but that's still 6 million his not going to get, and that's 6 million no team will give him.
I'm not Tone, I'm just saying in a league that's based off money, Russell cost himself LOTS of money.