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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on April 24, 2010, 10:25:18 AM
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I love it! Is he Peyton? Of course not. But a huge upgrade from Russell. I was getting a little worried when we didnt take Clausen Yesterday. But we got two solid OT's to develop and trading Morrison (even tho i did like him at LB) was a good move. We got a good young receiver. Lets hope he turns into something. Considering recent drafts...id have to say this years draft has definetely been a success for the Raiders so far.
http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/12607/report-campbell-going-to-oakland
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Better than Russell lol.
However, I am still looking forward to my Titans opening their season at home against Oakland lol.
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nice move.
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Better than Russell lol.
However, I am still looking forward to my Titans opening their season at home against Oakland lol.
cool...cus Im looking forward to opening our season on the road at Tennessee ;D
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Better than Russell lol.
However, I am still looking forward to my Titans opening their season at home against Oakland lol.
cool...cus Im looking forward to opening our season on the road at Tennessee ;D
:D We are going to win lol.
CJ can probably beat the Raiders on his own lol.
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Better than Russell lol.
However, I am still looking forward to my Titans opening their season at home against Oakland lol.
cool...cus Im looking forward to opening our season on the road at Tennessee ;D
:D We are going to win lol.
CJ can probably beat the Raiders on his own lol.
Our run defense will be vastly improved and much faster with the youth we've picked up. At least you guys are getting rid of fatboy White lol
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good pick up by the raiders,this is the move I had been hoping they would make.he instantly makes their offense better,and dare I say the raiders could be at least respectable this year.
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good pick up by the raiders,this is the move I had been hoping they would make.he instantly makes their offense better,and dare I say the raiders could be at least respectable this year.
We should be. Consider our division too...other than San Diego.
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Raiders will win another 6 games, maybe 7..they are heading in the right direction with these recent moves though.
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Raiders will win another 6 games, maybe 7..they are heading in the right direction with these recent moves though.
I agree with what they were saying on ESPN. Jason Campbell should help us win another 2-3 games. That would put us at 7 or 8 wins. The recent draft picks are big too cus our run defense was shit last year. So Mcclain and Houston will help clog up the middle some.
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This years draft was one of the deepest ever in NFL history.
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good pick up by the raiders,this is the move I had been hoping they would make.he instantly makes their offense better,and dare I say the raiders could be at least respectable this year.
We should be. Consider our division too...other than San Diego.
The Chargers are on the way out. I'm calling it now. Place your bets now. In week 1 they're gonna get a punch in the mouth from the Chiefs that they won't be ready for and they'll start 0-1. But then they have the Jags, Seahawks, Cards, Raiders, and Rams to bounce back from. So they should be 5-2 and 4-3 when they go against the Titans, but they will lose 4 straight starting with Tennessee. So they'll be 5-6 or 4-7, and they will not win from there. They'll finish 8-8 or maybe even 7-9.
Save this post for the season boys. I will bring it back up near the end and either duck my head in shame or praise myself.
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good pick up by the raiders,this is the move I had been hoping they would make.he instantly makes their offense better,and dare I say the raiders could be at least respectable this year.
We should be. Consider our division too...other than San Diego.
The Chargers are on the way out. I'm calling it now. Place your bets now. In week 1 they're gonna get a punch in the mouth from the Chiefs that they won't be ready for and they'll start 0-1. But then they have the Jags, Seahawks, Cards, Raiders, and Rams to bounce back from. So they should be 5-2 and 4-3 when they go against the Titans, but they will lose 4 straight starting with Tennessee. So they'll be 5-6 or 4-7, and they will not win from there. They'll finish 8-8 or maybe even 7-9.
Save this post for the season boys. I will bring it back up near the end and either duck my head in shame or praise myself.
I cant stand the Chargers but they have a pretty favorable schedule. They will win the AFC west i think. The Raiders and Broncos will compete for second
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the Chargers arguably have the easiest schedule in the NFL.
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It will be a great Raider year, at least speaking compared to the last 7. I think the Raiders have a good chance to going 8-8 and maybe a run at the wild card, maybe, but they did do everything right that they can build for 2011. Jason Campbell, HUGE upgrade. I love it already, I was not so sure about this, but this is the Kwame Brown for Pau Gasol trade, when you replace nothing, you are then something, and something is better than nothing. The Raiders need to keep the same system around him for a couple of years and see how much he matures. Kyle Bolder as a back up, that's a great move, and I heard Russell will be released. Good look to him trying to find another job, his laziness will cost him 9 million dollars for not making the team this year.
On top of that, the Raiders easily had one of the best drafts this year, and on top of that, they address all the right needs. They got a QB by trade, and they built the foundation of the team in the draft. Defense and O-Line, just build the nuts and bolts. The Raiders gained in every position and really our only weakness is receiver. That's cool, because McFadden and Bush are the running backs, so we should still be okay. I see improvement. Maybe I should get a Campell jersey to replace this number 2 jersey!
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the Chargers arguably have the easiest schedule in the NFL.
Broncos have the same schedule more or less.
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the Chargers arguably have the easiest schedule in the NFL.
Broncos have the same schedule more or less.
i mean, i understand the Broncos just drafted future 3 time Superbowl Champion, TD throwing MONSTER, Tim Tebow; but i still personally feel the Chargers are a better team.
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It will be a great Raider year, at least speaking compared to the last 7. I think the Raiders have a good chance to going 8-8 and maybe a run at the wild card, maybe, but they did do everything right that they can build for 2011. Jason Campbell, HUGE upgrade. I love it already, I was not so sure about this, but this is the Kwame Brown for Pau Gasol trade, when you replace nothing, you are then something, and something is better than nothing. The Raiders need to keep the same system around him for a couple of years and see how much he matures. Kyle Bolder as a back up, that's a great move, and I heard Russell will be released. Good look to him trying to find another job, his laziness will cost him 9 million dollars for not making the team this year.
On top of that, the Raiders easily had one of the best drafts this year, and on top of that, they address all the right needs. They got a QB by trade, and they built the foundation of the team in the draft. Defense and O-Line, just build the nuts and bolts. The Raiders gained in every position and really our only weakness is receiver. That's cool, because McFadden and Bush are the running backs, so we should still be okay. I see improvement. Maybe I should get a Campell jersey to replace this number 2 jersey!
Yeah the Raiders had a GREAT draft when you throw in the Campbell trade. He has improved every year and with an O-line that was worse then ours, and only Clinton "oh no he's hurt again" Portis running the ball. Our receivers arent bad, just young. Shillens will be good, and I think we all saw little glimpses of what Louis Murphy can be. We have a pro bowl calliber TE.
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the Chargers arguably have the easiest schedule in the NFL.
Broncos have the same schedule more or less.
i mean, i understand the Broncos just drafted future 3 time Superbowl Champion, TD throwing MONSTER, Tim Tebow; but i still personally feel the Chargers are a better team.
And I feel the Chargers had their last big year of the era last year. I expect the Chargers to split with the Chiefs and Raiders this year and might lose both games to the Broncos.
and for the record, the Raiders are not doing better than the Chiefs this year I promise. I expect the Broncos to take the division and the Chiefs to be either one game back of SD or one game ahead.
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the Chargers arguably have the easiest schedule in the NFL.
Broncos have the same schedule more or less.
i mean, i understand the Broncos just drafted future 3 time Superbowl Champion, TD throwing MONSTER, Tim Tebow; but i still personally feel the Chargers are a better team.
And I feel the Chargers had their last big year of the era last year. I expect the Chargers to split with the Chiefs and Raiders this year and might lose both games to the Broncos.
and for the record, the Raiders are not doing better than the Chiefs this year I promise. I expect the Broncos to take the division and the Chiefs to be either one game back of SD or one game ahead.
Raiders are way better than the Chiefs. Even when both were down and out, the Raiders were better than them. As of now, they are starting to rise, and the Raiders are still better than the Chiefs. This ain't the 90's. We are starting anew in 2010.
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the Chargers arguably have the easiest schedule in the NFL.
Broncos have the same schedule more or less.
i mean, i understand the Broncos just drafted future 3 time Superbowl Champion, TD throwing MONSTER, Tim Tebow; but i still personally feel the Chargers are a better team.
And I feel the Chargers had their last big year of the era last year. I expect the Chargers to split with the Chiefs and Raiders this year and might lose both games to the Broncos.
and for the record, the Raiders are not doing better than the Chiefs this year I promise. I expect the Broncos to take the division and the Chiefs to be either one game back of SD or one game ahead.
Raiders are way better than the Chiefs. Even when both were down and out, the Raiders were better than them. As of now, they are starting to rise, and the Raiders are still better than the Chiefs. This ain't the 90's. We are starting anew in 2010.
If you guys had picked up Wies and Crennel maybe, but watch out for the Super Bowl Pats to win some games.
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the Chargers arguably have the easiest schedule in the NFL.
Broncos have the same schedule more or less.
i mean, i understand the Broncos just drafted future 3 time Superbowl Champion, TD throwing MONSTER, Tim Tebow; but i still personally feel the Chargers are a better team.
And I feel the Chargers had their last big year of the era last year. I expect the Chargers to split with the Chiefs and Raiders this year and might lose both games to the Broncos.
and for the record, the Raiders are not doing better than the Chiefs this year I promise. I expect the Broncos to take the division and the Chiefs to be either one game back of SD or one game ahead.
Raiders are way better than the Chiefs. Even when both were down and out, the Raiders were better than them. As of now, they are starting to rise, and the Raiders are still better than the Chiefs. This ain't the 90's. We are starting anew in 2010.
If you guys had picked up Wies and Crennel maybe, but watch out for the Super Bowl Pats to win some games.
I think both the Chiefs and Raiders have made some major improvements. That gap between them and the Chargers has closed some. The Broncos didnt get any better really. Maybe worse. They gave away one of the top receivers in the game and got what?
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the Chargers arguably have the easiest schedule in the NFL.
Broncos have the same schedule more or less.
i mean, i understand the Broncos just drafted future 3 time Superbowl Champion, TD throwing MONSTER, Tim Tebow; but i still personally feel the Chargers are a better team.
And I feel the Chargers had their last big year of the era last year. I expect the Chargers to split with the Chiefs and Raiders this year and might lose both games to the Broncos.
and for the record, the Raiders are not doing better than the Chiefs this year I promise. I expect the Broncos to take the division and the Chiefs to be either one game back of SD or one game ahead.
Raiders are way better than the Chiefs. Even when both were down and out, the Raiders were better than them. As of now, they are starting to rise, and the Raiders are still better than the Chiefs. This ain't the 90's. We are starting anew in 2010.
If you guys had picked up Wies and Crennel maybe, but watch out for the Super Bowl Pats to win some games.
I think both the Chiefs and Raiders have made some major improvements. That gap between them and the Chargers has closed some. The Broncos didnt get any better really. Maybe worse. They gave away one of the top receivers in the game and got what?
Who is your coach? Who is your OC? If the Chiefs come out and win the division I could see it, just like Miami did in 08, but the Raiders are still the worst run organization in the league. Unless Cable gets fired to tomorrow and Bill Cowher comes in with complete control the Raiders are coming in last next season.
Until then I say Denver then Chargers/Chiefs, then Raiders.
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alotta people showin campbell love right now...but wait til it doesnt go as planned or how raider fans want....let the hatin begin....its comin
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alotta people showin campbell love right now...but wait til it doesnt go as planned or how raider fans want....let the hatin begin....its comin
Campbell is so good that an offensive genius like Mike Shanahan traded him away in favour of an end of his career McNabb who could get injured on any play.
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yeah i dont get you got all these people sayin that was a good trade...
1.bad loss for skins...cuz if mcnabb gets hurt....then the skins could be hurt really bad...not even the haynesworth storm can save em
2.raiders gettin him...i mean good but they still need more skilled players IMO...but they talkin as if hes the holy savoir....and thats why its sad but funny to see the hate they have on russell...but thats after the fact....not before the fact he was a HUGE BUST..
alotta people showin campbell love right now...but wait til it doesnt go as planned or how raider fans want....let the hatin begin....its comin
Campbell is so good that an offensive genius like Mike Shanahan traded him away in favour of an end of his career McNabb who could get injured on any play.
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alotta people showin campbell love right now...but wait til it doesnt go as planned or how raider fans want....let the hatin begin....its comin
Campbell is so good that an offensive genius like Mike Shanahan traded him away in favour of an end of his career McNabb who could get injured on any play.
lol Shanahan is a genius. Dont know about that. But genius coaches who are taking over a struggling team know that winning IMMEDIATELY will buy you a few years. Regardless of the future...McNabb will give them a better chance to win NOW. I doubt anyone is gonna argue that Campbell is a better QB than McNabb.
Btw...who is your favorite team? Cus you seem to go out of your way to take shots at the Raiders...
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alotta people showin campbell love right now...but wait til it doesnt go as planned or how raider fans want....let the hatin begin....its comin
Campbell is so good that an offensive genius like Mike Shanahan traded him away in favour of an end of his career McNabb who could get injured on any play.
lol Shanahan is a genius. Dont know about that. But genius coaches who are taking over a struggling team know that winning IMMEDIATELY will buy you a few years. Regardless of the future...McNabb will give them a better chance to win NOW. I doubt anyone is gonna argue that Campbell is a better QB than McNabb.
Btw...who is your favorite team? Cus you seem to go out of your way to take shots at the Raiders...
I actually like the Raiders. Really cheered for them when Gruden was there and even the next year against the Bucs I cheered for the Raiders, but what Davis does is so laughable that I have to take shots at him.
I'm a Bills fan from birth, but I also cheer a lot for those that I believe to be the very best at the time at their position. Peyton, Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, Bret Favre, Brandon Marshall etc.
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alotta people showin campbell love right now...but wait til it doesnt go as planned or how raider fans want....let the hatin begin....its comin
Campbell is so good that an offensive genius like Mike Shanahan traded him away in favour of an end of his career McNabb who could get injured on any play.
lol Shanahan is a genius. Dont know about that. But genius coaches who are taking over a struggling team know that winning IMMEDIATELY will buy you a few years. Regardless of the future...McNabb will give them a better chance to win NOW. I doubt anyone is gonna argue that Campbell is a better QB than McNabb.
Btw...who is your favorite team? Cus you seem to go out of your way to take shots at the Raiders...
I actually like the Raiders. Really cheered for them when Gruden was there and even the next year against the Bucs I cheered for the Raiders, but what Davis does is so laughable that I have to take shots at him.
I'm a Bills fan from birth, but I also cheer a lot for those that I believe to be the very best at the time at their position. Peyton, Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, Bret Favre, Brandon Marshall etc.
I figured a Bills fan from what u said in that other thread lol So let me ask u Bills fan....would u welcome Jamarcus to QB your team? Be honest....and do u think Buffalo would welcome him? lol
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mos def gotta train him and try and make the best outta him....i wouldnt give up unless he has...who do the bills have?
t.o. took a different airport home...lol
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alotta people showin campbell love right now...but wait til it doesnt go as planned or how raider fans want....let the hatin begin....its comin
Campbell is so good that an offensive genius like Mike Shanahan traded him away in favour of an end of his career McNabb who could get injured on any play.
lol Shanahan is a genius. Dont know about that. But genius coaches who are taking over a struggling team know that winning IMMEDIATELY will buy you a few years. Regardless of the future...McNabb will give them a better chance to win NOW. I doubt anyone is gonna argue that Campbell is a better QB than McNabb.
Btw...who is your favorite team? Cus you seem to go out of your way to take shots at the Raiders...
I actually like the Raiders. Really cheered for them when Gruden was there and even the next year against the Bucs I cheered for the Raiders, but what Davis does is so laughable that I have to take shots at him.
I'm a Bills fan from birth, but I also cheer a lot for those that I believe to be the very best at the time at their position. Peyton, Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, Bret Favre, Brandon Marshall etc.
I figured a Bills fan from what u said in that other thread lol So let me ask u Bills fan....would u welcome Jamarcus to QB your team? Be honest....and do u think Buffalo would welcome him? lol
If I could get Jamarcus right now to come to Buffalo and try and compete for the job I'd take it. I wouldn't hand him anything. He's not good enough to get it with out trying out, but if he committed himself to trying and Chan Gailey, who can get a lot out of much lesser talents worked with, I'd bet that by pre-season Russel would be the starter and we'd do better than we would with Edwards.
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alotta people showin campbell love right now...but wait til it doesnt go as planned or how raider fans want....let the hatin begin....its comin
Campbell is so good that an offensive genius like Mike Shanahan traded him away in favour of an end of his career McNabb who could get injured on any play.
lol Shanahan is a genius. Dont know about that. But genius coaches who are taking over a struggling team know that winning IMMEDIATELY will buy you a few years. Regardless of the future...McNabb will give them a better chance to win NOW. I doubt anyone is gonna argue that Campbell is a better QB than McNabb.
Btw...who is your favorite team? Cus you seem to go out of your way to take shots at the Raiders...
I actually like the Raiders. Really cheered for them when Gruden was there and even the next year against the Bucs I cheered for the Raiders, but what Davis does is so laughable that I have to take shots at him.
I'm a Bills fan from birth, but I also cheer a lot for those that I believe to be the very best at the time at their position. Peyton, Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, Bret Favre, Brandon Marshall etc.
I figured a Bills fan from what u said in that other thread lol So let me ask u Bills fan....would u welcome Jamarcus to QB your team? Be honest....and do u think Buffalo would welcome him? lol
If I could get Jamarcus right now to come to Buffalo and try and compete for the job I'd take it. I wouldn't hand him anything. He's not good enough to get it with out trying out, but if he committed himself to trying and Chan Gailey, who can get a lot out of much lesser talents worked with, I'd bet that by pre-season Russel would be the starter and we'd do better than we would with Edwards.
The Raiders will more than likely try to trade him...when that doesnt work, they will likely cut him. If they dont and he gets hurt in training camp they will have to pay him. And when you come to camp out of shape..good chance of injury. Im sure every other team in the AFC East will pull for you to bring him in. And Id be willing to bet not one other Bills fan wants to see him in camp lol
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campbells had how many different oc's? lol
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alotta people showin campbell love right now...but wait til it doesnt go as planned or how raider fans want....let the hatin begin....its comin
Campbell is so good that an offensive genius like Mike Shanahan traded him away in favour of an end of his career McNabb who could get injured on any play.
lol Shanahan is a genius. Dont know about that. But genius coaches who are taking over a struggling team know that winning IMMEDIATELY will buy you a few years. Regardless of the future...McNabb will give them a better chance to win NOW. I doubt anyone is gonna argue that Campbell is a better QB than McNabb.
Btw...who is your favorite team? Cus you seem to go out of your way to take shots at the Raiders...
I actually like the Raiders. Really cheered for them when Gruden was there and even the next year against the Bucs I cheered for the Raiders, but what Davis does is so laughable that I have to take shots at him.
I'm a Bills fan from birth, but I also cheer a lot for those that I believe to be the very best at the time at their position. Peyton, Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, Bret Favre, Brandon Marshall etc.
I figured a Bills fan from what u said in that other thread lol So let me ask u Bills fan....would u welcome Jamarcus to QB your team? Be honest....and do u think Buffalo would welcome him? lol
If I could get Jamarcus right now to come to Buffalo and try and compete for the job I'd take it. I wouldn't hand him anything. He's not good enough to get it with out trying out, but if he committed himself to trying and Chan Gailey, who can get a lot out of much lesser talents worked with, I'd bet that by pre-season Russel would be the starter and we'd do better than we would with Edwards.
oh btw...we would have been much better with Edwards last year at QB. Shit Gradkowski made us look like a decent team. Grad-fuckin-kowski lol
And yes...I would glady take an 8th round pick in 2037 for Jamarcus. ;)
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what if russell wins....if qb's win games...what if he wins more games this year...if he were to play...lets jus say all those if's were to become true...then russell is the best qb ever? lol
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Russel is a fucking bum plain and simple.hes got a arm and zero accuracy.He skips voluntary workout,spends no time studying game film and comes into camp fat and overweight.He got his money and thats all he cares about.He wont be on another team,nobody is going to touch him,hes a disaster.its one thing to have poor numbers because your team is poor its nother to put zero effort forth and get outplayed by a journeyman qb
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what if russell wins....if qb's win games...what if he wins more games this year...if he were to play...lets jus say all those if's were to become true...then russell is the best qb ever? lol
Obviously a horrible QB on a good team will win more games then a horrible QB on a decent team or a bad team. Obviously. For one, he wont win more games because he wont start anywhere lol. And if he does by some grace of god (if there was one) get a starting spot...the team still wont be good, and will more then likely get worse with him at QB. He obviously wont start on a good team...cus good teams are good in part, because they have good QB's already. The only way Russell will ever be worth a penny in this league..is if he completely changes his OWN approach to being a QB. He would need to completely change himself...and work his ass off. If he stays the same as he has been, he will never be successful in the NFL.
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alotta people showin campbell love right now...but wait til it doesnt go as planned or how raider fans want....let the hatin begin....its comin
Campbell is so good that an offensive genius like Mike Shanahan traded him away in favour of an end of his career McNabb who could get injured on any play.
lol Shanahan is a genius. Dont know about that. But genius coaches who are taking over a struggling team know that winning IMMEDIATELY will buy you a few years. Regardless of the future...McNabb will give them a better chance to win NOW. I doubt anyone is gonna argue that Campbell is a better QB than McNabb.
Btw...who is your favorite team? Cus you seem to go out of your way to take shots at the Raiders...
I actually like the Raiders. Really cheered for them when Gruden was there and even the next year against the Bucs I cheered for the Raiders, but what Davis does is so laughable that I have to take shots at him.
I'm a Bills fan from birth, but I also cheer a lot for those that I believe to be the very best at the time at their position. Peyton, Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, Bret Favre, Brandon Marshall etc.
I figured a Bills fan from what u said in that other thread lol So let me ask u Bills fan....would u welcome Jamarcus to QB your team? Be honest....and do u think Buffalo would welcome him? lol
If I could get Jamarcus right now to come to Buffalo and try and compete for the job I'd take it. I wouldn't hand him anything. He's not good enough to get it with out trying out, but if he committed himself to trying and Chan Gailey, who can get a lot out of much lesser talents worked with, I'd bet that by pre-season Russel would be the starter and we'd do better than we would with Edwards.
oh btw...we would have been much better with Edwards last year at QB. Shit Gradkowski made us look like a decent team. Grad-fuckin-kowski lol
And yes...I would glady take an 8th round pick in 2037 for Jamarcus. ;)
Before he got the injury a a couple years back Edwards was fine, and I'd agree. But since getting hurt he's been very gun shy, and that last minute score by Russel alone last year against Denver is worth more than Edwards whole 2009 season.
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alotta people showin campbell love right now...but wait til it doesnt go as planned or how raider fans want....let the hatin begin....its comin
Campbell is so good that an offensive genius like Mike Shanahan traded him away in favour of an end of his career McNabb who could get injured on any play.
lol Shanahan is a genius. Dont know about that. But genius coaches who are taking over a struggling team know that winning IMMEDIATELY will buy you a few years. Regardless of the future...McNabb will give them a better chance to win NOW. I doubt anyone is gonna argue that Campbell is a better QB than McNabb.
Btw...who is your favorite team? Cus you seem to go out of your way to take shots at the Raiders...
I actually like the Raiders. Really cheered for them when Gruden was there and even the next year against the Bucs I cheered for the Raiders, but what Davis does is so laughable that I have to take shots at him.
I'm a Bills fan from birth, but I also cheer a lot for those that I believe to be the very best at the time at their position. Peyton, Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, Bret Favre, Brandon Marshall etc.
I figured a Bills fan from what u said in that other thread lol So let me ask u Bills fan....would u welcome Jamarcus to QB your team? Be honest....and do u think Buffalo would welcome him? lol
If I could get Jamarcus right now to come to Buffalo and try and compete for the job I'd take it. I wouldn't hand him anything. He's not good enough to get it with out trying out, but if he committed himself to trying and Chan Gailey, who can get a lot out of much lesser talents worked with, I'd bet that by pre-season Russel would be the starter and we'd do better than we would with Edwards.
oh btw...we would have been much better with Edwards last year at QB. Shit Gradkowski made us look like a decent team. Grad-fuckin-kowski lol
And yes...I would glady take an 8th round pick in 2037 for Jamarcus. ;)
Before he got the injury a a couple years back Edwards was fine, and I'd agree. But since getting hurt he's been very gun shy, and that last minute score by Russel alone last year against Denver is worth more than Edwards whole 2009 season.
if we didnt get Campbell...I would have loved a Russell for Edwards trade. Id assume every single Raider fan would too....and every single Bills fan would hate it, except for you.
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alotta people showin campbell love right now...but wait til it doesnt go as planned or how raider fans want....let the hatin begin....its comin
Campbell is so good that an offensive genius like Mike Shanahan traded him away in favour of an end of his career McNabb who could get injured on any play.
lol Shanahan is a genius. Dont know about that. But genius coaches who are taking over a struggling team know that winning IMMEDIATELY will buy you a few years. Regardless of the future...McNabb will give them a better chance to win NOW. I doubt anyone is gonna argue that Campbell is a better QB than McNabb.
Btw...who is your favorite team? Cus you seem to go out of your way to take shots at the Raiders...
I actually like the Raiders. Really cheered for them when Gruden was there and even the next year against the Bucs I cheered for the Raiders, but what Davis does is so laughable that I have to take shots at him.
I'm a Bills fan from birth, but I also cheer a lot for those that I believe to be the very best at the time at their position. Peyton, Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, Bret Favre, Brandon Marshall etc.
I figured a Bills fan from what u said in that other thread lol So let me ask u Bills fan....would u welcome Jamarcus to QB your team? Be honest....and do u think Buffalo would welcome him? lol
If I could get Jamarcus right now to come to Buffalo and try and compete for the job I'd take it. I wouldn't hand him anything. He's not good enough to get it with out trying out, but if he committed himself to trying and Chan Gailey, who can get a lot out of much lesser talents worked with, I'd bet that by pre-season Russel would be the starter and we'd do better than we would with Edwards.
oh btw...we would have been much better with Edwards last year at QB. Shit Gradkowski made us look like a decent team. Grad-fuckin-kowski lol
And yes...I would glady take an 8th round pick in 2037 for Jamarcus. ;)
Before he got the injury a a couple years back Edwards was fine, and I'd agree. But since getting hurt he's been very gun shy, and that last minute score by Russel alone last year against Denver is worth more than Edwards whole 2009 season.
if we didnt get Campbell...I would have loved a Russell for Edwards trade. Id assume every single Raider fan would too....and every single Bills fan would hate it, except for you.
And you'd love it all the way to 5-11. I saw every down Edwards played. He personally threw away 3 or 4 wins with his bad choice of throws.
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alotta people showin campbell love right now...but wait til it doesnt go as planned or how raider fans want....let the hatin begin....its comin
Campbell is so good that an offensive genius like Mike Shanahan traded him away in favour of an end of his career McNabb who could get injured on any play.
lol Shanahan is a genius. Dont know about that. But genius coaches who are taking over a struggling team know that winning IMMEDIATELY will buy you a few years. Regardless of the future...McNabb will give them a better chance to win NOW. I doubt anyone is gonna argue that Campbell is a better QB than McNabb.
Btw...who is your favorite team? Cus you seem to go out of your way to take shots at the Raiders...
I actually like the Raiders. Really cheered for them when Gruden was there and even the next year against the Bucs I cheered for the Raiders, but what Davis does is so laughable that I have to take shots at him.
I'm a Bills fan from birth, but I also cheer a lot for those that I believe to be the very best at the time at their position. Peyton, Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, Bret Favre, Brandon Marshall etc.
I figured a Bills fan from what u said in that other thread lol So let me ask u Bills fan....would u welcome Jamarcus to QB your team? Be honest....and do u think Buffalo would welcome him? lol
If I could get Jamarcus right now to come to Buffalo and try and compete for the job I'd take it. I wouldn't hand him anything. He's not good enough to get it with out trying out, but if he committed himself to trying and Chan Gailey, who can get a lot out of much lesser talents worked with, I'd bet that by pre-season Russel would be the starter and we'd do better than we would with Edwards.
oh btw...we would have been much better with Edwards last year at QB. Shit Gradkowski made us look like a decent team. Grad-fuckin-kowski lol
And yes...I would glady take an 8th round pick in 2037 for Jamarcus. ;)
Before he got the injury a a couple years back Edwards was fine, and I'd agree. But since getting hurt he's been very gun shy, and that last minute score by Russel alone last year against Denver is worth more than Edwards whole 2009 season.
if we didnt get Campbell...I would have loved a Russell for Edwards trade. Id assume every single Raider fan would too....and every single Bills fan would hate it, except for you.
And you'd love it all the way to 5-11. I saw every down Edwards played. He personally threw away 3 or 4 wins with his bad choice of throws.
Edwards > Gradkowski > My grandmother >>>>> armless midget with Parkinsons >>>> Russell
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alotta people showin campbell love right now...but wait til it doesnt go as planned or how raider fans want....let the hatin begin....its comin
Campbell is so good that an offensive genius like Mike Shanahan traded him away in favour of an end of his career McNabb who could get injured on any play.
lol Shanahan is a genius. Dont know about that. But genius coaches who are taking over a struggling team know that winning IMMEDIATELY will buy you a few years. Regardless of the future...McNabb will give them a better chance to win NOW. I doubt anyone is gonna argue that Campbell is a better QB than McNabb.
Btw...who is your favorite team? Cus you seem to go out of your way to take shots at the Raiders...
I actually like the Raiders. Really cheered for them when Gruden was there and even the next year against the Bucs I cheered for the Raiders, but what Davis does is so laughable that I have to take shots at him.
I'm a Bills fan from birth, but I also cheer a lot for those that I believe to be the very best at the time at their position. Peyton, Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, Bret Favre, Brandon Marshall etc.
I figured a Bills fan from what u said in that other thread lol So let me ask u Bills fan....would u welcome Jamarcus to QB your team? Be honest....and do u think Buffalo would welcome him? lol
If I could get Jamarcus right now to come to Buffalo and try and compete for the job I'd take it. I wouldn't hand him anything. He's not good enough to get it with out trying out, but if he committed himself to trying and Chan Gailey, who can get a lot out of much lesser talents worked with, I'd bet that by pre-season Russel would be the starter and we'd do better than we would with Edwards.
oh btw...we would have been much better with Edwards last year at QB. Shit Gradkowski made us look like a decent team. Grad-fuckin-kowski lol
And yes...I would glady take an 8th round pick in 2037 for Jamarcus. ;)
Before he got the injury a a couple years back Edwards was fine, and I'd agree. But since getting hurt he's been very gun shy, and that last minute score by Russel alone last year against Denver is worth more than Edwards whole 2009 season.
if we didnt get Campbell...I would have loved a Russell for Edwards trade. Id assume every single Raider fan would too....and every single Bills fan would hate it, except for you.
And you'd love it all the way to 5-11. I saw every down Edwards played. He personally threw away 3 or 4 wins with his bad choice of throws.
Edwards > Gradkowski > My grandmother >>>>> armless midget with Parkinsons >>>> Russell
hahahahaha... okay, I'm not THAT down on Russell, I just think he ruined the rest of his career. His never done anything to help himself, and now it's going to cost him. With his contract, his not getting a trade, he'll be cut. And that's going to cost 9 MILLION DOLLARS!
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alotta people showin campbell love right now...but wait til it doesnt go as planned or how raider fans want....let the hatin begin....its comin
Campbell is so good that an offensive genius like Mike Shanahan traded him away in favour of an end of his career McNabb who could get injured on any play.
lol Shanahan is a genius. Dont know about that. But genius coaches who are taking over a struggling team know that winning IMMEDIATELY will buy you a few years. Regardless of the future...McNabb will give them a better chance to win NOW. I doubt anyone is gonna argue that Campbell is a better QB than McNabb.
Btw...who is your favorite team? Cus you seem to go out of your way to take shots at the Raiders...
I actually like the Raiders. Really cheered for them when Gruden was there and even the next year against the Bucs I cheered for the Raiders, but what Davis does is so laughable that I have to take shots at him.
I'm a Bills fan from birth, but I also cheer a lot for those that I believe to be the very best at the time at their position. Peyton, Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, Bret Favre, Brandon Marshall etc.
I figured a Bills fan from what u said in that other thread lol So let me ask u Bills fan....would u welcome Jamarcus to QB your team? Be honest....and do u think Buffalo would welcome him? lol
If I could get Jamarcus right now to come to Buffalo and try and compete for the job I'd take it. I wouldn't hand him anything. He's not good enough to get it with out trying out, but if he committed himself to trying and Chan Gailey, who can get a lot out of much lesser talents worked with, I'd bet that by pre-season Russel would be the starter and we'd do better than we would with Edwards.
oh btw...we would have been much better with Edwards last year at QB. Shit Gradkowski made us look like a decent team. Grad-fuckin-kowski lol
And yes...I would glady take an 8th round pick in 2037 for Jamarcus. ;)
Before he got the injury a a couple years back Edwards was fine, and I'd agree. But since getting hurt he's been very gun shy, and that last minute score by Russel alone last year against Denver is worth more than Edwards whole 2009 season.
if we didnt get Campbell...I would have loved a Russell for Edwards trade. Id assume every single Raider fan would too....and every single Bills fan would hate it, except for you.
And you'd love it all the way to 5-11. I saw every down Edwards played. He personally threw away 3 or 4 wins with his bad choice of throws.
Edwards > Gradkowski > My grandmother >>>>> armless midget with Parkinsons >>>> Russell
hahahahaha... okay, I'm not THAT down on Russell, I just think he ruined the rest of his career. His never done anything to help himself, and now it's going to cost him. With his contract, his not getting a trade, he'll be cut. And that's going to cost 9 MILLION DOLLARS!
I think Im mostly pissed cus I spent so much time defending this bum. I can handle him not being an amazing talent....but to not even try just makes him a strait up loser.
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yeah i dont get you got all these people sayin that was a good trade...
1.bad loss for skins...cuz if mcnabb gets hurt....then the skins could be hurt really bad...not even the haynesworth storm can save em
2.raiders gettin him...i mean good but they still need more skilled players IMO...but they talkin as if hes the holy savoir....and thats why its sad but funny to see the hate they have on russell...but thats after the fact....not before the fact he was a HUGE BUST..
alotta people showin campbell love right now...but wait til it doesnt go as planned or how raider fans want....let the hatin begin....its comin
Campbell is so good that an offensive genius like Mike Shanahan traded him away in favour of an end of his career McNabb who could get injured on any play.
Campbell wanted out anyway, it was obvious. The way Jamarcus plays, can you blame raider fans for acting like JC's the savior? The redskins for some years been raiders east, organization wise. I applaud the Raiders for actually getting it right 4 the 1st time since whenever in the draft. They finally got needs. Now the QB's in their roster should be just Campbell, Gradkowski, & Frye. Get rid of the rest.
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Russel is a fucking bum plain and simple.hes got a arm and zero accuracy.He skips voluntary workout,spends no time studying game film and comes into camp fat and overweight.He got his money and thats all he cares about.He wont be on another team,nobody is going to touch him,hes a disaster.its one thing to have poor numbers because your team is poor its nother to put zero effort forth and get outplayed by a journeyman qb
You never know. If Billick was coaching again, he'd probably pick up Jamarcus. All the sorry ass raven qb's he tried to make successful flop. And McMadsen & his ego he'd try to pick him up like he did Tebow. And Gruden wanted every QB when he was coaching the Bucs.
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free gruden, kiffin, the cable guy and russell...lol
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So they are now reporting that Jamarcus is up to 300 lbs lol. Definetely the Raiders fault....lol
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LOL @ that picture.They should just stick him in at gaurd.Protect jason campbell lol.
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LOL @ that picture.They should just stick him in at gaurd.Protect jason campbell lol.
lol Im sure he would tip over and end up injuring Campbell
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You know theris a lot of teams out there that are running 3-4 defenses and need a true nose tackle,with his size he could play nose tackle and occupy at least two blockers.
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You know theris a lot of teams out there that are running 3-4 defenses and need a true nose tackle,with his size he could play nose tackle and occupy at least two blockers.
he could clog up the passing lanes also with his height. Or maybe sign him just for special teams to try and block feild goals...the Giants could use a new mascot also...
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So they are now reporting that Jamarcus is up to 300 lbs lol. Definetely the Raiders fault....lol
(http://www.tailgate365.com/broncos/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/jamarcus2.png)
I never pass the blame for a player's stupidity, but this was a situation where he was worse off because the team. Like if Big Ben was a Raider this whole time he'd be in jail right for Gang rape, rather than just suspended for date rape.
The same way Goodel's policies have probably kept a lot of guys out of more trouble, the Raiders have helped Jamarcus's slacking. One the 70s Steeler's Joe Greene and Jack Lambert would have kicked the shit out of him the locker room the second he made the first mistake. When you let people get away with shit, they do more shit.
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gotta give it up to shallow for speakin truth...and the truth_ _ _ _ _
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gotta give it up to shallow for speakin truth...and the truth_ _ _ _ _
So it must be someone that prefers a lie over the truth that keeps dissing. I was at 240. Now I'm at 234.
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lol....youve been bad son...
but nah im i guess for russells sake....that someone agrees with me and you are sayin what ive been sayin ever since the hatin on him began
so til further notice
free gruden, the cable guy, kiffin, and russell
gotta give it up to shallow for speakin truth...and the truth_ _ _ _ _
So it must be someone that prefers a lie over the truth that keeps dissing. I was at 240. Now I'm at 234.
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It is completely hatred to think that the Raiders are the reason to think JaMarcus is 300 pounds. Dude needed to sit out and demand a trade if he was that mad, but instead he caused the Raiders to make a trade for a QB. Here is the point of how stupid Russell is, dude could have got in shape, demanded a trade and that his not playing for the Raiders, people will say, hey look his trying but who can do it with the Raiders, he'd get traded for dirt cheap and have a new team and keep his 9 million salary. Instead he got fat, said fuck it, and then the Raiders got Campbell and now no one will trade for him, and if the Raiders end up cutting him, his 9 million dollars short, and you know Al will sue him for his bonus back. Russell had it made and he fucked it up, and I am telling you right now, he cost himself 9 million dollars. It's all about dollars and sense, and dude's lack of sense cost him major dollars.
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It is completely hatred to think that the Raiders are the reason to think JaMarcus is 300 pounds. Dude needed to sit out and demand a trade if he was that mad, but instead he caused the Raiders to make a trade for a QB. Here is the point of how stupid Russell is, dude could have got in shape, demanded a trade and that his not playing for the Raiders, people will say, hey look his trying but who can do it with the Raiders, he'd get traded for dirt cheap and have a new team and keep his 9 million salary. Instead he got fat, said fuck it, and then the Raiders got Campbell and now no one will trade for him, and if the Raiders end up cutting him, his 9 million dollars short, and you know Al will sue him for his bonus back. Russell had it made and he fucked it up, and I am telling you right now, he cost himself 9 million dollars. It's all about dollars and sense, and dude's lack of sense cost him major dollars.
No. Russel is the reason he's 300 lbs. The Raiders just had an environment that let him do whatever he wanted. Just like Big Ben is the reason he likes to go around with an entourage get drunk and have sex with even drunker girls. The Raiders would have let him go further and he would have done worse things. That is my theory.
It's like how if a wild party althlete was signed to NY or Miami and got in trouble partying. But if he was signed by Green Bay there would be no wild parties to get him in trouble.
Jesus. Look at Randy Moss for Christ sakes. A fucking star in Minnesota goes to Oakland and stinks it up. Then goes back to a real organization and gets the TD record, and remains a star when a QB who hadn't started since high school came in.
Case closed boys. Oakland can make the best WR in the era look like junk, so I think they can make Russel worse too.
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exactly good example....mr moss...whos fault was that? lol
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you are comparing two completely different things. I'll give you Moss, because WR is actually the most depended position in the NFL. Without a good system, a WR is useless. Without a line, the QB has no time, and at the time the Raiders had Aaron Brooks, so there was no one to get the ball to Moss. That was clearly a case of a WR being on a bad team.
Russell is different. The Raiders had one of the best running games in the league. One year, the line was so good under Kiffen that JUSTIN FUCKIN' VARGAS... LITTLE HUGGIE BOY gain 1,000 yards, and the Raider's line dominated. Russell was asked to be the leader. I understood the first couple of years, but when you get out played by Bruce Gradkowski, a journey man, and you are suppose to be the number 1 draft pick, then there is something completely wrong. Case close
It is completely hatred to think that the Raiders are the reason to think JaMarcus is 300 pounds. Dude needed to sit out and demand a trade if he was that mad, but instead he caused the Raiders to make a trade for a QB. Here is the point of how stupid Russell is, dude could have got in shape, demanded a trade and that his not playing for the Raiders, people will say, hey look his trying but who can do it with the Raiders, he'd get traded for dirt cheap and have a new team and keep his 9 million salary. Instead he got fat, said fuck it, and then the Raiders got Campbell and now no one will trade for him, and if the Raiders end up cutting him, his 9 million dollars short, and you know Al will sue him for his bonus back. Russell had it made and he fucked it up, and I am telling you right now, he cost himself 9 million dollars. It's all about dollars and sense, and dude's lack of sense cost him major dollars.
No. Russel is the reason he's 300 lbs. The Raiders just had an environment that let him do whatever he wanted. Just like Big Ben is the reason he likes to go around with an entourage get drunk and have sex with even drunker girls. The Raiders would have let him go further and he would have done worse things. That is my theory.
It's like how if a wild party althlete was signed to NY or Miami and got in trouble partying. But if he was signed by Green Bay there would be no wild parties to get him in trouble.
Jesus. Look at Randy Moss for Christ sakes. A fucking star in Minnesota goes to Oakland and stinks it up. Then goes back to a real organization and gets the TD record, and remains a star when a QB who hadn't started since high school came in.
Case closed boys. Oakland can make the best WR in the era look like junk, so I think they can make Russel worse too.
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you are comparing two completely different things. I'll give you Moss, because WR is actually the most depended position in the NFL. Without a good system, a WR is useless. Without a line, the QB has no time, and at the time the Raiders had Aaron Brooks, so there was no one to get the ball to Moss. That was clearly a case of a WR being on a bad team.
Russell is different. The Raiders had one of the best running games in the league. One year, the line was so good under Kiffen that JUSTIN FUCKIN' VARGAS... LITTLE HUGGIE BOY gain 1,000 yards, and the Raider's line dominated. Russell was asked to be the leader. I understood the first couple of years, but when you get out played by Bruce Gradkowski, an undrafted journey man, and you are suppose to be the number 1 draft pick, then there is something completely wrong. Case close
It is completely hatred to think that the Raiders are the reason to think JaMarcus is 300 pounds. Dude needed to sit out and demand a trade if he was that mad, but instead he caused the Raiders to make a trade for a QB. Here is the point of how stupid Russell is, dude could have got in shape, demanded a trade and that his not playing for the Raiders, people will say, hey look his trying but who can do it with the Raiders, he'd get traded for dirt cheap and have a new team and keep his 9 million salary. Instead he got fat, said fuck it, and then the Raiders got Campbell and now no one will trade for him, and if the Raiders end up cutting him, his 9 million dollars short, and you know Al will sue him for his bonus back. Russell had it made and he fucked it up, and I am telling you right now, he cost himself 9 million dollars. It's all about dollars and sense, and dude's lack of sense cost him major dollars.
No. Russel is the reason he's 300 lbs. The Raiders just had an environment that let him do whatever he wanted. Just like Big Ben is the reason he likes to go around with an entourage get drunk and have sex with even drunker girls. The Raiders would have let him go further and he would have done worse things. That is my theory.
It's like how if a wild party althlete was signed to NY or Miami and got in trouble partying. But if he was signed by Green Bay there would be no wild parties to get him in trouble.
Jesus. Look at Randy Moss for Christ sakes. A fucking star in Minnesota goes to Oakland and stinks it up. Then goes back to a real organization and gets the TD record, and remains a star when a QB who hadn't started since high school came in.
Case closed boys. Oakland can make the best WR in the era look like junk, so I think they can make Russel worse too.
So when Brady went out in 08 you think Cassel stepped up as leader? He didn't. Moss was way more a leader on that Pats team that year. He really stepped up. In Oakland it was about a lot more than a QB not having time. Moss was going soft on route, not trying hard to get the ball. He was uninspired. Aaron Brooks could have easily punted the ball and let Moss jump up over two DBs and catch it, but Moss, thanks to the wonderful Raiders organization had no fire. He was allowed to be whatever he wanted. Something Dennis Green and Bill Belicheck don't allow of their players with out putting up a fight. In Oakland you're so busy trying to keep your job as a coach and dealing with Al that you don't bother with your players.
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you are comparing two completely different things. I'll give you Moss, because WR is actually the most depended position in the NFL. Without a good system, a WR is useless. Without a line, the QB has no time, and at the time the Raiders had Aaron Brooks, so there was no one to get the ball to Moss. That was clearly a case of a WR being on a bad team.
Russell is different. The Raiders had one of the best running games in the league. One year, the line was so good under Kiffen that JUSTIN FUCKIN' VARGAS... LITTLE HUGGIE BOY gain 1,000 yards, and the Raider's line dominated. Russell was asked to be the leader. I understood the first couple of years, but when you get out played by Bruce Gradkowski, an undrafted journey man, and you are suppose to be the number 1 draft pick, then there is something completely wrong. Case close
It is completely hatred to think that the Raiders are the reason to think JaMarcus is 300 pounds. Dude needed to sit out and demand a trade if he was that mad, but instead he caused the Raiders to make a trade for a QB. Here is the point of how stupid Russell is, dude could have got in shape, demanded a trade and that his not playing for the Raiders, people will say, hey look his trying but who can do it with the Raiders, he'd get traded for dirt cheap and have a new team and keep his 9 million salary. Instead he got fat, said fuck it, and then the Raiders got Campbell and now no one will trade for him, and if the Raiders end up cutting him, his 9 million dollars short, and you know Al will sue him for his bonus back. Russell had it made and he fucked it up, and I am telling you right now, he cost himself 9 million dollars. It's all about dollars and sense, and dude's lack of sense cost him major dollars.
No. Russel is the reason he's 300 lbs. The Raiders just had an environment that let him do whatever he wanted. Just like Big Ben is the reason he likes to go around with an entourage get drunk and have sex with even drunker girls. The Raiders would have let him go further and he would have done worse things. That is my theory.
It's like how if a wild party althlete was signed to NY or Miami and got in trouble partying. But if he was signed by Green Bay there would be no wild parties to get him in trouble.
Jesus. Look at Randy Moss for Christ sakes. A fucking star in Minnesota goes to Oakland and stinks it up. Then goes back to a real organization and gets the TD record, and remains a star when a QB who hadn't started since high school came in.
Case closed boys. Oakland can make the best WR in the era look like junk, so I think they can make Russel worse too.
So when Brady went out in 08 you think Cassel stepped up as leader? He didn't. Moss was way more a leader on that Pats team that year. He really stepped up. In Oakland it was about a lot more than a QB not having time. Moss was going soft on route, not trying hard to get the ball. He was uninspired. Aaron Brooks could have easily punted the ball and let Moss jump up over two DBs and catch it, but Moss, thanks to the wonderful Raiders organization had no fire. He was allowed to be whatever he wanted. Something Dennis Green and Bill Belicheck don't allow of their players with out putting up a fight. In Oakland you're so busy trying to keep your job as a coach and dealing with Al that you don't bother with your players.
See, you are talking about things that go on, but at the same time by this logic we'd have no 1,000 running back because they'd be uninspired, we'd have a shitty defense, which we don't, and we'd have horrible cornerbacks, which last I check we have the best two CBs in the league. Randy Moss was uninspired his last 2 years in MN, you forget I live in MN, and people were begging to trade him because of how bad he was his last two years, and he carried that over to Oakland. Moss came to life in New England because it was a winning situation and he knew this was his chance. The Raiders will not be mistaken for that in the mid to late 2000's.
But the Raiders the last 3-4 years have had a great running game, one of the best defenses, a pro-bowl caliber tightend, and a huge bully offensive line. Russell was given the keys to the franchise, which I'd honestly say we should have developed him more. I think the biggest mistake was letting Culpepper go, because if we kept Culpepper, Russell would have someone to learn from, not just shadowing but what a good QB leader does. I am a believer that young QBs need someone to show them the ropes, which Russell only had his first year and he spent most of that first year sitting out of training camp. So in that aspect the Raiders did Russell a disservice. But the rest is pure Russell.
I want you to honestly tell me, which would Russell more likely do in his spare time, work out like other NFL players, who most every franchise trust to work out on their own, or would Russell try to eat all of....
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but the fact that they did him wrong or its not completely his fault...is important
does the fact that they change coaches and players so quik have any role in this
qb's: garcia (who didnt even play, why tho when he can prolly still make plays), russell, gannon (was dope, and he has even offered his service to help but davis has said no..lol)
coaches: gruden, kiffin, cable guy
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you are comparing two completely different things. I'll give you Moss, because WR is actually the most depended position in the NFL. Without a good system, a WR is useless. Without a line, the QB has no time, and at the time the Raiders had Aaron Brooks, so there was no one to get the ball to Moss. That was clearly a case of a WR being on a bad team.
Russell is different. The Raiders had one of the best running games in the league. One year, the line was so good under Kiffen that JUSTIN FUCKIN' VARGAS... LITTLE HUGGIE BOY gain 1,000 yards, and the Raider's line dominated. Russell was asked to be the leader. I understood the first couple of years, but when you get out played by Bruce Gradkowski, an undrafted journey man, and you are suppose to be the number 1 draft pick, then there is something completely wrong. Case close
It is completely hatred to think that the Raiders are the reason to think JaMarcus is 300 pounds. Dude needed to sit out and demand a trade if he was that mad, but instead he caused the Raiders to make a trade for a QB. Here is the point of how stupid Russell is, dude could have got in shape, demanded a trade and that his not playing for the Raiders, people will say, hey look his trying but who can do it with the Raiders, he'd get traded for dirt cheap and have a new team and keep his 9 million salary. Instead he got fat, said fuck it, and then the Raiders got Campbell and now no one will trade for him, and if the Raiders end up cutting him, his 9 million dollars short, and you know Al will sue him for his bonus back. Russell had it made and he fucked it up, and I am telling you right now, he cost himself 9 million dollars. It's all about dollars and sense, and dude's lack of sense cost him major dollars.
No. Russel is the reason he's 300 lbs. The Raiders just had an environment that let him do whatever he wanted. Just like Big Ben is the reason he likes to go around with an entourage get drunk and have sex with even drunker girls. The Raiders would have let him go further and he would have done worse things. That is my theory.
It's like how if a wild party althlete was signed to NY or Miami and got in trouble partying. But if he was signed by Green Bay there would be no wild parties to get him in trouble.
Jesus. Look at Randy Moss for Christ sakes. A fucking star in Minnesota goes to Oakland and stinks it up. Then goes back to a real organization and gets the TD record, and remains a star when a QB who hadn't started since high school came in.
Case closed boys. Oakland can make the best WR in the era look like junk, so I think they can make Russel worse too.
So when Brady went out in 08 you think Cassel stepped up as leader? He didn't. Moss was way more a leader on that Pats team that year. He really stepped up. In Oakland it was about a lot more than a QB not having time. Moss was going soft on route, not trying hard to get the ball. He was uninspired. Aaron Brooks could have easily punted the ball and let Moss jump up over two DBs and catch it, but Moss, thanks to the wonderful Raiders organization had no fire. He was allowed to be whatever he wanted. Something Dennis Green and Bill Belicheck don't allow of their players with out putting up a fight. In Oakland you're so busy trying to keep your job as a coach and dealing with Al that you don't bother with your players.
See, you are talking about things that go on, but at the same time by this logic we'd have no 1,000 running back because they'd be uninspired, we'd have a shitty defense, which we don't, and we'd have horrible cornerbacks, which last I check we have the best two CBs in the league. Randy Moss was uninspired his last 2 years in MN, you forget I live in MN, and people were begging to trade him because of how bad he was his last two years, and he carried that over to Oakland. Moss came to life in New England because it was a winning situation and he knew this was his chance. The Raiders will not be mistaken for that in the mid to late 2000's.
But the Raiders the last 3-4 years have had a great running game, one of the best defenses, a pro-bowl caliber tightend, and a huge bully offensive line. Russell was given the keys to the franchise, which I'd honestly say we should have developed him more. I think the biggest mistake was letting Culpepper go, because if we kept Culpepper, Russell would have someone to learn from, not just shadowing but what a good QB leader does. I am a believer that young QBs need someone to show them the ropes, which Russell only had his first year and he spent most of that first year sitting out of training camp. So in that aspect the Raiders did Russell a disservice. But the rest is pure Russell.
I want you to honestly tell me, which would Russell more likely do in his spare time, work out like other NFL players, who most every franchise trust to work out on their own, or would Russell try to eat all of....
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Last two years? His second last year in Minnesota was a career year for him, and in his last year he missed 3 games but was on pace for 1000 yards and another 17 TDs. You call those so bad he needs a trade numbers? He came into Oakland pretty decent, but by year two was a less than average WR.
And the point I made about the Oakland was they let you get away with shit that you do anyway. Peyton Manning is a war horse work a holic. If he went to Oakland he'd be fine. But a slacker becomes a bigger slacker, and a rapist becomes a killer, or whatever. You can still have great players who are always dedicated players no matter what. Bu if you're a star with a risk of going Hollywood then Oakland is the worst place for you. Moss is a diva, so going to Oakland helped him find more coke and more Bobby Browns, if you get the analogy.
Hardworking players with everything to lose will still work hard because they are afraid of losing their spot. Guys like Russel and Moss just assume they're stars. It's their personality. But superstars that are work horses, like Jerry Rice do fine.
P.S. you guys didn't have more than 3 1000 rushers this decade and no one has broken 1050 since Napoleon Kaufman in 1997. Unless I'm missing someone.
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but the fact that they did him wrong or its not completely his fault...is important
does the fact that they change coaches and players so quik have any role in this
qb's: garcia (who didnt even play, why tho when he can prolly still make plays), russell, gannon (was dope, and he has even offered his service to help but davis has said no..lol)
coaches: gruden, kiffin, cable guy
Okay, when he was drafted, they had Kiffen as his coach, they only changed coaches to Cable, who ran the EXACT same system. Also, they had the same offensive coordinator, and then this year hired a QB coach to help develop him further, a coach who just developed Joe Flacco. This decade, yeah you can argue from Gannon to Collins to Aaron Brooks to Culpepper to Jamarcus Russell, and from Gruden to Callahan to Turner to Shell to Kiffen to Cable that the Raiders have had a horrible time building a franchise, but during the Russell era there was actually a bit of stability and the Raiders didn't touch their system.
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thats alot to deal wit tho.....put money on it gruden could get him back and make him a good player....if that dont work then.....no further options...
off topic but on topic in gruden regards......IMO gruden is one of the best @ guidin, coachin, teachin etc....he needs to get back to coachin....the raiders didnt appreciate him.....and didnt he win a superbowl with tampa bay? lol
but the fact that they did him wrong or its not completely his fault...is important
does the fact that they change coaches and players so quik have any role in this
qb's: garcia (who didnt even play, why tho when he can prolly still make plays), russell, gannon (was dope, and he has even offered his service to help but davis has said no..lol)
coaches: gruden, kiffin, cable guy
Okay, when he was drafted, they had Kiffen as his coach, they only changed coaches to Cable, who ran the EXACT same system. Also, they had the same offensive coordinator, and then this year hired a QB coach to help develop him further, a coach who just developed Joe Flacco. This decade, yeah you can argue from Gannon to Collins to Aaron Brooks to Culpepper to Jamarcus Russell, and from Gruden to Callahan to Turner to Shell to Kiffen to Cable that the Raiders have had a horrible time building a franchise, but during the Russell era there was actually a bit of stability and the Raiders didn't touch their system.
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but the fact that they did him wrong or its not completely his fault...is important
does the fact that they change coaches and players so quik have any role in this
qb's: garcia (who didnt even play, why tho when he can prolly still make plays), russell, gannon (was dope, and he has even offered his service to help but davis has said no..lol)
coaches: gruden, kiffin, cable guy
Okay, when he was drafted, they had Kiffen as his coach, they only changed coaches to Cable, who ran the EXACT same system. Also, they had the same offensive coordinator, and then this year hired a QB coach to help develop him further, a coach who just developed Joe Flacco. This decade, yeah you can argue from Gannon to Collins to Aaron Brooks to Culpepper to Jamarcus Russell, and from Gruden to Callahan to Turner to Shell to Kiffen to Cable that the Raiders have had a horrible time building a franchise, but during the Russell era there was actually a bit of stability and the Raiders didn't touch their system.
It was simply the wrong fit for a guy with the personality of Jamarcus Russel. Maybe no matter where he went he'd have turned out the same. Maybe he's that bad when it comes to putting in work, but Oakland is bar none the worst place in the NFL for a guy with inspiration problems. Green Bay would have been a completely different environment for him. They saw the distraction favre had become and they said see ya later. The Jets let Favre be the baby he was and look how that ended up? Minnesota was just so strong a team that Favre's attitude didn't come into play. But in Oakland, Favre would be doing the I'm retiring, I'm not retiring game for the next 10 years and they'd probably still put him out there at 50 because he sells jerseys.
Give the Raiders to Parcells with full control and their in the playoffs by season 2 at the latest.
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you are comparing two completely different things. I'll give you Moss, because WR is actually the most depended position in the NFL. Without a good system, a WR is useless. Without a line, the QB has no time, and at the time the Raiders had Aaron Brooks, so there was no one to get the ball to Moss. That was clearly a case of a WR being on a bad team.
Russell is different. The Raiders had one of the best running games in the league. One year, the line was so good under Kiffen that JUSTIN FUCKIN' VARGAS... LITTLE HUGGIE BOY gain 1,000 yards, and the Raider's line dominated. Russell was asked to be the leader. I understood the first couple of years, but when you get out played by Bruce Gradkowski, an undrafted journey man, and you are suppose to be the number 1 draft pick, then there is something completely wrong. Case close
It is completely hatred to think that the Raiders are the reason to think JaMarcus is 300 pounds. Dude needed to sit out and demand a trade if he was that mad, but instead he caused the Raiders to make a trade for a QB. Here is the point of how stupid Russell is, dude could have got in shape, demanded a trade and that his not playing for the Raiders, people will say, hey look his trying but who can do it with the Raiders, he'd get traded for dirt cheap and have a new team and keep his 9 million salary. Instead he got fat, said fuck it, and then the Raiders got Campbell and now no one will trade for him, and if the Raiders end up cutting him, his 9 million dollars short, and you know Al will sue him for his bonus back. Russell had it made and he fucked it up, and I am telling you right now, he cost himself 9 million dollars. It's all about dollars and sense, and dude's lack of sense cost him major dollars.
No. Russel is the reason he's 300 lbs. The Raiders just had an environment that let him do whatever he wanted. Just like Big Ben is the reason he likes to go around with an entourage get drunk and have sex with even drunker girls. The Raiders would have let him go further and he would have done worse things. That is my theory.
It's like how if a wild party althlete was signed to NY or Miami and got in trouble partying. But if he was signed by Green Bay there would be no wild parties to get him in trouble.
Jesus. Look at Randy Moss for Christ sakes. A fucking star in Minnesota goes to Oakland and stinks it up. Then goes back to a real organization and gets the TD record, and remains a star when a QB who hadn't started since high school came in.
Case closed boys. Oakland can make the best WR in the era look like junk, so I think they can make Russel worse too.
So when Brady went out in 08 you think Cassel stepped up as leader? He didn't. Moss was way more a leader on that Pats team that year. He really stepped up. In Oakland it was about a lot more than a QB not having time. Moss was going soft on route, not trying hard to get the ball. He was uninspired. Aaron Brooks could have easily punted the ball and let Moss jump up over two DBs and catch it, but Moss, thanks to the wonderful Raiders organization had no fire. He was allowed to be whatever he wanted. Something Dennis Green and Bill Belicheck don't allow of their players with out putting up a fight. In Oakland you're so busy trying to keep your job as a coach and dealing with Al that you don't bother with your players.
See, you are talking about things that go on, but at the same time by this logic we'd have no 1,000 running back because they'd be uninspired, we'd have a shitty defense, which we don't, and we'd have horrible cornerbacks, which last I check we have the best two CBs in the league. Randy Moss was uninspired his last 2 years in MN, you forget I live in MN, and people were begging to trade him because of how bad he was his last two years, and he carried that over to Oakland. Moss came to life in New England because it was a winning situation and he knew this was his chance. The Raiders will not be mistaken for that in the mid to late 2000's.
But the Raiders the last 3-4 years have had a great running game, one of the best defenses, a pro-bowl caliber tightend, and a huge bully offensive line. Russell was given the keys to the franchise, which I'd honestly say we should have developed him more. I think the biggest mistake was letting Culpepper go, because if we kept Culpepper, Russell would have someone to learn from, not just shadowing but what a good QB leader does. I am a believer that young QBs need someone to show them the ropes, which Russell only had his first year and he spent most of that first year sitting out of training camp. So in that aspect the Raiders did Russell a disservice. But the rest is pure Russell.
I want you to honestly tell me, which would Russell more likely do in his spare time, work out like other NFL players, who most every franchise trust to work out on their own, or would Russell try to eat all of....
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Last two years? His second last year in Minnesota was a career year for him, and in his last year he missed 3 games but was on pace for 1000 yards and another 17 TDs. You call those so bad he needs a trade numbers? He came into Oakland pretty decent, but by year two was a less than average WR.
And the point I made about the Oakland was they let you get away with shit that you do anyway. Peyton Manning is a war horse work a holic. If he went to Oakland he'd be fine. But a slacker becomes a bigger slacker, and a rapist becomes a killer, or whatever. You can still have great players who are always dedicated players no matter what. Bu if you're a star with a risk of going Hollywood then Oakland is the worst place for you. Moss is a diva, so going to Oakland helped him find more coke and more Bobby Browns, if you get the analogy.
Hardworking players with everything to lose will still work hard because they are afraid of losing their spot. Guys like Russel and Moss just assume they're stars. It's their personality. But superstars that are work horses, like Jerry Rice do fine.
P.S. you guys didn't have more than 3 1000 rushers this decade and no one has broken 1050 since Napoleon Kaufman in 1997. Unless I'm missing someone.
well almost 1,000, actual stats for the Raiders during the Russell years.
2007
Fargas - 1,009 yards
LaMonte Jordan - 549 yds.
Rhodes - 302 yds.
2008
Fargas - 853 yds.
McFadden - 499 yds.
Michael Bush - 421 yds.
2009 (Raiders had ton of RB injury problems)
Bush - 589
Fargas - 491
McFadden - 356
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but the fact that they did him wrong or its not completely his fault...is important
does the fact that they change coaches and players so quik have any role in this
qb's: garcia (who didnt even play, why tho when he can prolly still make plays), russell, gannon (was dope, and he has even offered his service to help but davis has said no..lol)
coaches: gruden, kiffin, cable guy
Okay, when he was drafted, they had Kiffen as his coach, they only changed coaches to Cable, who ran the EXACT same system. Also, they had the same offensive coordinator, and then this year hired a QB coach to help develop him further, a coach who just developed Joe Flacco. This decade, yeah you can argue from Gannon to Collins to Aaron Brooks to Culpepper to Jamarcus Russell, and from Gruden to Callahan to Turner to Shell to Kiffen to Cable that the Raiders have had a horrible time building a franchise, but during the Russell era there was actually a bit of stability and the Raiders didn't touch their system.
It was simply the wrong fit for a guy with the personality of Jamarcus Russel. Maybe no matter where he went he'd have turned out the same. Maybe he's that bad when it comes to putting in work, but Oakland is bar none the worst place in the NFL for a guy with inspiration problems. Green Bay would have been a completely different environment for him. They saw the distraction favre had become and they said see ya later. The Jets let Favre be the baby he was and look how that ended up? Minnesota was just so strong a team that Favre's attitude didn't come into play. But in Oakland, Favre would be doing the I'm retiring, I'm not retiring game for the next 10 years and they'd probably still put him out there at 50 because he sells jerseys.
Give the Raiders to Parcells with full control and their in the playoffs by season 2 at the latest.
I don't doubt the Parcells deal, and I am not saying the system is perfect. I'm saying that in any system, Russell right now is not mature enough to be an NFL QB. His only 24 years old, that's WAY too young to be washed up. But for now his not mentally ready to lead an NFL team. Now some QBs excel in this. The QB is unique in that you set the tone, you are responsible to pushing others and leading the team. You can say Moss was effected by the Raiders, but Russell had to be the one influencing others, not the other way around.
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but the fact that they did him wrong or its not completely his fault...is important
does the fact that they change coaches and players so quik have any role in this
qb's: garcia (who didnt even play, why tho when he can prolly still make plays), russell, gannon (was dope, and he has even offered his service to help but davis has said no..lol)
coaches: gruden, kiffin, cable guy
Okay, when he was drafted, they had Kiffen as his coach, they only changed coaches to Cable, who ran the EXACT same system. Also, they had the same offensive coordinator, and then this year hired a QB coach to help develop him further, a coach who just developed Joe Flacco. This decade, yeah you can argue from Gannon to Collins to Aaron Brooks to Culpepper to Jamarcus Russell, and from Gruden to Callahan to Turner to Shell to Kiffen to Cable that the Raiders have had a horrible time building a franchise, but during the Russell era there was actually a bit of stability and the Raiders didn't touch their system.
It was simply the wrong fit for a guy with the personality of Jamarcus Russel. Maybe no matter where he went he'd have turned out the same. Maybe he's that bad when it comes to putting in work, but Oakland is bar none the worst place in the NFL for a guy with inspiration problems. Green Bay would have been a completely different environment for him. They saw the distraction favre had become and they said see ya later. The Jets let Favre be the baby he was and look how that ended up? Minnesota was just so strong a team that Favre's attitude didn't come into play. But in Oakland, Favre would be doing the I'm retiring, I'm not retiring game for the next 10 years and they'd probably still put him out there at 50 because he sells jerseys.
Give the Raiders to Parcells with full control and their in the playoffs by season 2 at the latest.
I don't doubt the Parcells deal, and I am not saying the system is perfect. I'm saying that in any system, Russell right now is not mature enough to be an NFL QB. His only 24 years old, that's WAY too young to be washed up. But for now his not mentally ready to lead an NFL team. Now some QBs excel in this. The QB is unique in that you set the tone, you are responsible to pushing others and leading the team. You can say Moss was effected by the Raiders, but Russell had to be the one influencing others, not the other way around.
Just because you're the QB doesn't mean you're the leader, or that you have to be the leader. By the second SB Roth maybe have been the leader on offense but in the first SB and in that 15-1 season he was just along for the ride.
I never said Russel ould have been one of the greats if he went somewhere. I said in a better organization he could have been a nice piece to the puzzle. If drafted by Baltimore, Ray Lewis who is more of a team leader than 99% of QBs in history would have still been leader if Russel was there, and you can bet that walking about Baltimore with Ray and Ed Reed, Jamarcus isn't going into any burger joints before practice. And yes I think if on the Ravens the past 3 years he would have started this year, made the playoffs, still have beaten the Pats, and then lost to the Colts, just like they did with Flacco. I'm ot saying he's better than Flacco. I'm saying Russel can win a playoff game going 4 of 10 for 34 yards, no TDs and 1 INT.
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LOL... he'd still be a fat lazy piece of shit... he'd just be a fat lazy piece of shit that has Ray Lewis yelling at him and talking shit about him in the media and during practice.
but the fact that they did him wrong or its not completely his fault...is important
does the fact that they change coaches and players so quik have any role in this
qb's: garcia (who didnt even play, why tho when he can prolly still make plays), russell, gannon (was dope, and he has even offered his service to help but davis has said no..lol)
coaches: gruden, kiffin, cable guy
Okay, when he was drafted, they had Kiffen as his coach, they only changed coaches to Cable, who ran the EXACT same system. Also, they had the same offensive coordinator, and then this year hired a QB coach to help develop him further, a coach who just developed Joe Flacco. This decade, yeah you can argue from Gannon to Collins to Aaron Brooks to Culpepper to Jamarcus Russell, and from Gruden to Callahan to Turner to Shell to Kiffen to Cable that the Raiders have had a horrible time building a franchise, but during the Russell era there was actually a bit of stability and the Raiders didn't touch their system.
It was simply the wrong fit for a guy with the personality of Jamarcus Russel. Maybe no matter where he went he'd have turned out the same. Maybe he's that bad when it comes to putting in work, but Oakland is bar none the worst place in the NFL for a guy with inspiration problems. Green Bay would have been a completely different environment for him. They saw the distraction favre had become and they said see ya later. The Jets let Favre be the baby he was and look how that ended up? Minnesota was just so strong a team that Favre's attitude didn't come into play. But in Oakland, Favre would be doing the I'm retiring, I'm not retiring game for the next 10 years and they'd probably still put him out there at 50 because he sells jerseys.
Give the Raiders to Parcells with full control and their in the playoffs by season 2 at the latest.
I don't doubt the Parcells deal, and I am not saying the system is perfect. I'm saying that in any system, Russell right now is not mature enough to be an NFL QB. His only 24 years old, that's WAY too young to be washed up. But for now his not mentally ready to lead an NFL team. Now some QBs excel in this. The QB is unique in that you set the tone, you are responsible to pushing others and leading the team. You can say Moss was effected by the Raiders, but Russell had to be the one influencing others, not the other way around.
Just because you're the QB doesn't mean you're the leader, or that you have to be the leader. By the second SB Roth maybe have been the leader on offense but in the first SB and in that 15-1 season he was just along for the ride.
I never said Russel ould have been one of the greats if he went somewhere. I said in a better organization he could have been a nice piece to the puzzle. If drafted by Baltimore, Ray Lewis who is more of a team leader than 99% of QBs in history would have still been leader if Russel was there, and you can bet that walking about Baltimore with Ray and Ed Reed, Jamarcus isn't going into any burger joints before practice. And yes I think if on the Ravens the past 3 years he would have started this year, made the playoffs, still have beaten the Pats, and then lost to the Colts, just like they did with Flacco. I'm ot saying he's better than Flacco. I'm saying Russel can win a playoff game going 4 of 10 for 34 yards, no TDs and 1 INT.
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Coming to Baltimore he'd never have been the star Oakland pushed him to be. He'd be the don't lose the game and let the defense win QB and that changes everything. Especially when Ray Lewis threatens you with violence in the locker room. Live in your dream world if you want, but Randy Moss is a better leader than anyone Oakland has seen since maybe Ken Stabler and he fell to shit.
Oakland should simply see this as a lesson when they go out and get a player they need to make sure he isn't a star before he gets their. Tom Brady would absolutely fall apart in Oakland if we showed up tomorrow. You know what. Trade for Brady. I swear when he stinks it up because of that system I won't blame Davis for one bit of it. I swear I'll only blame Brady.
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gotta give it up to shallow for speakin truth...and the truth_ _ _ _ _
So it must be someone that prefers a lie over the truth that keeps dissing. I was at 240. Now I'm at 234.
dont look at me man. I hardly ever use the karma buttons...and typically only for props. Even then....rarely. The shit is kinda stupid to me.
And still I disagree. Jamarcus didnt become lazy and out of shape because he became a Raider lol. Maybe hitting the pro's and getting that money just exaggerated an issue that was already there. But I dont see how going to the Raiders can make a motivated individual lazy lol What about all the other guys on the team? Havent heard a whole lot about other guys showing up completely overweight..skipping workouts...etc...etc. Just the "leader" lol.
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It is completely hatred to think that the Raiders are the reason to think JaMarcus is 300 pounds. Dude needed to sit out and demand a trade if he was that mad, but instead he caused the Raiders to make a trade for a QB. Here is the point of how stupid Russell is, dude could have got in shape, demanded a trade and that his not playing for the Raiders, people will say, hey look his trying but who can do it with the Raiders, he'd get traded for dirt cheap and have a new team and keep his 9 million salary. Instead he got fat, said fuck it, and then the Raiders got Campbell and now no one will trade for him, and if the Raiders end up cutting him, his 9 million dollars short, and you know Al will sue him for his bonus back. Russell had it made and he fucked it up, and I am telling you right now, he cost himself 9 million dollars. It's all about dollars and sense, and dude's lack of sense cost him major dollars.
No. Russel is the reason he's 300 lbs. The Raiders just had an environment that let him do whatever he wanted. Just like Big Ben is the reason he likes to go around with an entourage get drunk and have sex with even drunker girls. The Raiders would have let him go further and he would have done worse things. That is my theory.
It's like how if a wild party althlete was signed to NY or Miami and got in trouble partying. But if he was signed by Green Bay there would be no wild parties to get him in trouble.
Jesus. Look at Randy Moss for Christ sakes. A fucking star in Minnesota goes to Oakland and stinks it up. Then goes back to a real organization and gets the TD record, and remains a star when a QB who hadn't started since high school came in.
Case closed boys. Oakland can make the best WR in the era look like junk, so I think they can make Russel worse too.
Not quite. Put it like this...the league is full of educated coaches, scouts, etc. They would have a good feel for whether this guy was just some talented kid who got demotivated by the Raider organization. Im sure thats pretty easy to agree upon. As of now, its reported that there completely no trade market for Jamarcus. Nobody wants him if they have to pay him. A team would not take the kind of loss they will take by cutting him...without him being a complete failure. Al Davis doesnt like to admit mistakes...and definetely doesnt like to give away money for nothing. When he cuts Jamarcus, he will be doing both. Why would he do that...unless the kid is a complete flop? The Raiders gave him TOO much time IMO...and Im sure in Cables opinion. Al is the only reason this bum stayed on the field as long as he did. On ANY other team he woulda been on the bench in a heartbeat. But we had too much money wrapped up in him. Some poor team will sign this loser for the league minimum. Luckily for them, they will only be out the minimum and not millions. Like M-Dogg said, its complete hatred to blame this fat fucks laziness on anyone but himself. Very few QB's are basically run out of town in the NFL....its typically because THEY suck.
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gotta give it up to shallow for speakin truth...and the truth_ _ _ _ _
So it must be someone that prefers a lie over the truth that keeps dissing. I was at 240. Now I'm at 234.
dont look at me man. I hardly ever use the karma buttons...and typically only for props. Even then....rarely. The shit is kinda stupid to me.
And still I disagree. Jamarcus didnt become lazy and out of shape because he became a Raider lol. Maybe hitting the pro's and getting that money just exaggerated an issue that was already there. But I dont see how going to the Raiders can make a motivated individual lazy lol What about all the other guys on the team? Havent heard a whole lot about other guys showing up completely overweight..skipping workouts...etc...etc. Just the "leader" lol.
I wasn't calling you out for the disses. I just noticed that I dropped 6 points during the time I was defending Russel and thought it was funny. I didn't know who it was, or even cared. It was just a light hearted comment.
As for why the others work hard; I've already answered that when I said it depends on the player. If you're prima donna lybe player a place like the Raiders will kill you like it did Moss. Do you want to see how far down the talent pool TO can fall then sign him and you'll see it in Oakland.
Generally the type of players that have excelled in Oakland the last few years nice guys that work hard and don't worry about being stars. I've seen Nnamdi Asomugha in interviews and right away I could tell he was a guy like Jerry Rice, Peyton Manning, or Barry Sanders. Guys that might have an attitude but they attitude is directly related to winning and being at their best. Not about past accomplishments but of accomplishments they've yet to achieve.
Russel, like Moss or TO is about I'm Jamarcus Russel, first round #1 pick and college star. It's the same attitude that Tom Brady had when Plax predicted 21-17. The way Brady laughed it off like "I scored 50 TDs. We had more TDs this year than any other team". Compare it to a guy like Larry Bird if a SF on another team said he'd hold Larry to 10 points. Larry would say something like "well, he's a great defender and it'll be interesting to see how it plays out", but in the locker room and during the game Larry would have something to say every time he scores a basket and dedicate that game to making the guy look foolish. Not just assume what he said was stupid and take it for granted that he can score 30. Because then he won't even come close to 15.
Anyway, so when a guy with an attitude like that enters a team with an owner like that, it's trouble. Rich Gannon worked so well in Oakland because he was playing with the certainty that every mistake is one step closer to the bench. On a Belicheck team, everyone plays that. Russel would to. But if someone like Brady went to Oakland he'd take for granted his starting spot and he'd end up losing it.
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Coming to Baltimore he'd never have been the star Oakland pushed him to be. He'd be the don't lose the game and let the defense win QB and that changes everything. Especially when Ray Lewis threatens you with violence in the locker room. Live in your dream world if you want, but Randy Moss is a better leader than anyone Oakland has seen since maybe Ken Stabler and he fell to shit.
Oakland should simply see this as a lesson when they go out and get a player they need to make sure he isn't a star before he gets their. Tom Brady would absolutely fall apart in Oakland if we showed up tomorrow. You know what. Trade for Brady. I swear when he stinks it up because of that system I won't blame Davis for one bit of it. I swear I'll only blame Brady.
lol You are going way overboard man and now getting to the point of sounding absolutely ridiculous. "Randy Moss is a better leader than anyone Oakland has seen since maybe Ken Stabler". Step back from your hatred...and think about that statement. I wish I would hear a reputable NFL analyst make a statement like that lolol.
Here is the thing, did you even watch the Raiders play all year last year man? Jamarcus was NEVER expected to be a star in that offense. They had a very good running game and young receivers. Whether it was due to Jamarcus's lack of leadership skills...or the young receivers, the passing game wasnt the focus for us. The running game was. Jamarcus was only expected to complete passes and not turn the ball over. They had to simplify the offense for him like Ive never seen before...especially for a #1 overall pick. They had to cut his progressions in half lol. Instead of having him try to read the whole field and go through 1st...2nd...3rd....4th options, they had to cut the field in half and only give him 2 to 3 options on each passing play. He was that slow at picking up ANYthing. NFL Quarterback. Wow.
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Coming to Baltimore he'd never have been the star Oakland pushed him to be. He'd be the don't lose the game and let the defense win QB and that changes everything. Especially when Ray Lewis threatens you with violence in the locker room. Live in your dream world if you want, but Randy Moss is a better leader than anyone Oakland has seen since maybe Ken Stabler and he fell to shit.
Oakland should simply see this as a lesson when they go out and get a player they need to make sure he isn't a star before he gets their. Tom Brady would absolutely fall apart in Oakland if we showed up tomorrow. You know what. Trade for Brady. I swear when he stinks it up because of that system I won't blame Davis for one bit of it. I swear I'll only blame Brady.
lol You are going way overboard man and now getting to the point of sounding absolutely ridiculous. "Randy Moss is a better leader than anyone Oakland has seen since maybe Ken Stabler". Step back from your hatred...and think about that statement. I wish I would hear a reputable NFL analyst make a statement like that lolol.
Here is the thing, did you even watch the Raiders play all year last year man? Jamarcus was NEVER expected to be a star in that offense. They had a very good running game and young receivers. Whether it was due to Jamarcus's lack of leadership skills...or the young receivers, the passing game wasnt the focus for us. The running game was. Jamarcus was only expected to complete passes and not turn the ball over. They had to simplify the offense for him like Ive never seen before...especially for a #1 overall pick. They had to cut his progressions in half lol. Instead of having him try to read the whole field and go through 1st...2nd...3rd....4th options, they had to cut the field in half and only give him 2 to 3 options on each passing play. He was that slow at picking up ANYthing. NFL Quarterback. Wow.
Relax bro. I just couldn't think of any marquee Raider who was also a big media star to compare Moss to. And fuck analysts; for the record. They say what they're supposed to say; like Big Ben lead his team to two SB titles. Let me say again; a 22 passer rating for the first one. I never hear any stupid analysts bring that up. So fuck them.
Anyway. Russel was a media darling. It's a QB league as far as the media goes and it was a busted NFL team. He, in his mind, thought he was going to be the star, and the Raider organization let him be whatever he wanted to be. And if you think for a second that he'd be as bad in the grand scheme of it all if he were signed by the Ravens instead then you're joking. The Ravens are a team that can win a game, a playoff game, with a QB completing 4 passes, and 1 INT, with no TDs and a total of 34 fucking yards. If JR ever did that it'd be in a Raiders blowout loss and it'd be the key game everyone brings up to say cut him. But no one has said one word against Flacco, because the fucking team won. And that's what would have happened with Russel on a real team; they'd fucking win games. You're team sucks!!!!!!!!!!!!! Address that first and then bitch about your QB.
This will be my last post on the raiders until the end of week 17 when they come in dead last in the easiest division in the league and the graceful arm of a "real QB" Jason Campbell, if he plays the whole season, will be called into question like it's his fault. and I will only post right here in this thread with a nice big I Told You So!
So respond to this if you want but I'm not saying a word back until December. No hard feelings. I'll gladly discuss and debate with you anything else about football or whatever, but I'm done with the Raiders until December. And if I'm wrong I'll admit it before you get the chance to ask me to.
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Coming to Baltimore he'd never have been the star Oakland pushed him to be. He'd be the don't lose the game and let the defense win QB and that changes everything. Especially when Ray Lewis threatens you with violence in the locker room. Live in your dream world if you want, but Randy Moss is a better leader than anyone Oakland has seen since maybe Ken Stabler and he fell to shit.
Oakland should simply see this as a lesson when they go out and get a player they need to make sure he isn't a star before he gets their. Tom Brady would absolutely fall apart in Oakland if we showed up tomorrow. You know what. Trade for Brady. I swear when he stinks it up because of that system I won't blame Davis for one bit of it. I swear I'll only blame Brady.
lol You are going way overboard man and now getting to the point of sounding absolutely ridiculous. "Randy Moss is a better leader than anyone Oakland has seen since maybe Ken Stabler". Step back from your hatred...and think about that statement. I wish I would hear a reputable NFL analyst make a statement like that lolol.
Here is the thing, did you even watch the Raiders play all year last year man? Jamarcus was NEVER expected to be a star in that offense. They had a very good running game and young receivers. Whether it was due to Jamarcus's lack of leadership skills...or the young receivers, the passing game wasnt the focus for us. The running game was. Jamarcus was only expected to complete passes and not turn the ball over. They had to simplify the offense for him like Ive never seen before...especially for a #1 overall pick. They had to cut his progressions in half lol. Instead of having him try to read the whole field and go through 1st...2nd...3rd....4th options, they had to cut the field in half and only give him 2 to 3 options on each passing play. He was that slow at picking up ANYthing. NFL Quarterback. Wow.
Relax bro. I just couldn't think of any marquee Raider who was also a big media star to compare Moss to. And fuck analysts; for the record. They say what they're supposed to say; like Big Ben lead his team to two SB titles. Let me say again; a 22 passer rating for the first one. I never hear any stupid analysts bring that up. So fuck them.
Anyway. Russel was a media darling. It's a QB league as far as the media goes and it was a busted NFL team. He, in his mind, thought he was going to be the star, and the Raider organization let him be whatever he wanted to be. And if you think for a second that he'd be as bad in the grand scheme of it all if he were signed by the Ravens instead then you're joking. The Ravens are a team that can win a game, a playoff game, with a QB completing 4 passes, and 1 INT, with no TDs and a total of 34 fucking yards. If JR ever did that it'd be in a Raiders blowout loss and it'd be the key game everyone brings up to say cut him. But no one has said one word against Flacco, because the fucking team won. And that's what would have happened with Russel on a real team; they'd fucking win games. You're team sucks!!!!!!!!!!!!! Address that first and then bitch about your QB.
This will be my last post on the raiders until the end of week 17 when they come in dead last in the easiest division in the league and the graceful arm of a "real QB" Jason Campbell, if he plays the whole season, will be called into question like it's his fault. and I will only post right here in this thread with a nice big I Told You So!
So respond to this if you want but I'm not saying a word back until December. No hard feelings. I'll gladly discuss and debate with you anything else about football or whatever, but I'm done with the Raiders until December. And if I'm wrong I'll admit it before you get the chance to ask me to.
Yeah the Ravens have a solid team. But Im sure you understand the difference between Flacco having a terrible game....and Russell being a terrible QB. Those two things have a different effect on what opposing defenses do to you. Im sure you dont think Gradkowski is a better QB than Flacco. NOBODY thinks that. But the Raiders played well with him. Why? Not just because of his performance on the field. But because opposing defenses couldnt simply key in on our strength on offense...the running game. The Ravens have a very good running game. You dont think the presence of at least a DECENT QB helps that? Of course it does. The presence of a TERRIBLE QB...like what we have...does the exact opposite. It changes EVERYthing. And again, youre not gonna find too many experts picking the Raiders to come up last in the AFC West this year. ALL because Russell is gone. Well, mainly because he isnt starting. If Gradkowski started they wouldnt pick us to finish last lol. And you cant simply say "your team sucks". EVERY damn team that "sucks", has a shitty QB in this league. Last time I checked...there isnt ONE exception to that. The top 15 teams...have far better QB's then the bottom 17 teams. Thats a fact that you cant simply ignore. A QB is HUGE in the NFL....even more so now that this is such a pass happy league. Id ask you how many teams over the last 15 years have had bad QB's...and won the Superbowl, but youre so wrapped up in your view of things that you dont think Brady is a great QB. Youre on your own there man...just you against the world on that one lol. I know u dont wanna comment on this anymore. And you seem knowledgeable about football. But can you honestly tell yourself that the Raiders wont be a much improved team without Russell back there throwing passes to no one....or the other team? You know that doesnt make sense...and youre just arguing to argue. But no knowledgeable football fan can make that claim.
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LOL @ that picture.They should just stick him in at gaurd.Protect jason campbell lol.
lol Im sure he would tip over and end up injuring Campbell
lol and raider nation will hate jamarcus even more than they already do. If he stays, he'll have to move to guard or the nose tackle position. Put him on defensive line, as if the sfgate members would say PRETEND THE QB'S FOOD. Be the best DT ever :D
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LOL @ that picture.They should just stick him in at gaurd.Protect jason campbell lol.
lol Im sure he would tip over and end up injuring Campbell
lol and raider nation will hate jamarcus even more than they already do. If he stays, he'll have to move to guard or the nose tackle position. Put him on defensive line, as if the sfgate members would say PRETEND THE QB'S FOOD. Be the best DT ever :D
LOL... he'd try to bit the opposing QB's leg thinking... drumsticks... lol
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well after all....russell aint leavin...not yet anyway
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well after all....russell aint leavin...not yet anyway
who knows, Al Davis might Jerry Porter him, or Marcus Allen him.
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true.....jus cant wait to show these haters campbell aint no....shit he aint no big tyme qb....but he might win some more and muffuccaz is gon suck him off
well after all....russell aint leavin...not yet anyway
who knows, Al Davis might Jerry Porter him, or Marcus Allen him.
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true.....jus cant wait to show these haters campbell aint no....shit he aint no big tyme qb....but he might win some more and muffuccaz is gon suck him off
well after all....russell aint leavin...not yet anyway
who knows, Al Davis might Jerry Porter him, or Marcus Allen him.
Haters? Dude, you the one hating on the Raiders. He ain't no big time QB, that's hate talk.
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well after all....russell aint leavin...not yet anyway
who knows, Al Davis might Jerry Porter him, or Marcus Allen him.
he wont do that with that kind of money sitting there. Everyone knows Al Davis wants to give Russell more chances then he deserves. There has been talk about the Raiders wanting him to take a paycut if he is to stay on the team....as no one else wants him and paying that much money for him to be Campbells backup is ridiculous.
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true.....jus cant wait to show these haters campbell aint no....shit he aint no big tyme qb....but he might win some more and muffuccaz is gon suck him off
well after all....russell aint leavin...not yet anyway
who knows, Al Davis might Jerry Porter him, or Marcus Allen him.
Haters? Dude, you the one hating on the Raiders. He ain't no big time QB, that's hate talk.
M-Dogg....i know u have been reading through this stuff. Not to diss, but you know that homie is not very educated on the game of football. It comes through on the responses in these threads.
There isnt ONE....not ONE educated football person out there who believes Russell's play did not hurt the Raiders last year. Like I said a million times, when even CHARGER fans down here talk over and over about how we have a decent team....and that its just JaMarcus who fucked things up so bad last year. I havent met ONE Charger fan yet...that didnt think we should have beat them in week 1 last year....until Jamarcus started throwing the ball. Then they took over the game. We completely bullied that team on the ground...then...Jamarcus lol
You want a better example? How about the Redskin game? lol With Gradkowski in the game...it was 17-10 at halftime. Close game basically. Gradkowski ends up getting injured....and Jamarcus comes in for the second half. He ends up throwing for 74 yards...1 interception, takes 6 sacks, and we lose 34-13.
But no...everyone is just hating on Jamarcus cus the whole team is sooooooo bad, Jamarcus is only a victim lol. Fuck victim...he's a cause. He's is the goddamn QB.
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Great pick up for Oakland. I was a Jamarcus backer for a long time but dude just proved that he was shit last year. Will this move instantly make them a contender? No, but it certainly gives them a chance to compete much harder and puts them on the right path to becoming a successful franchise. And LOL @ Jamarcus "getting hate," the guy was the highest paid rookie of all time with all the physical gifts anyone could ask for. He proved countless times that he was lazy and his accuracy was AWFUL. I'm not gonna say his career is done, but if he wants to play again he better gain some kind of work ethic cause obviously what he's doing now isn't working.
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thats not me sayin that....lol
im not the one hatin on the raiders...have you been readin the threads....
true.....jus cant wait to show these haters campbell aint no....shit he aint no big tyme qb....but he might win some more and muffuccaz is gon suck him off
well after all....russell aint leavin...not yet anyway
who knows, Al Davis might Jerry Porter him, or Marcus Allen him.
Haters? Dude, you the one hating on the Raiders. He ain't no big time QB, that's hate talk.
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thats not me sayin that....lol
im not the one hatin on the raiders...have you been readin the threads....
true.....jus cant wait to show these haters campbell aint no....shit he aint no big tyme qb....but he might win some more and muffuccaz is gon suck him off
well after all....russell aint leavin...not yet anyway
who knows, Al Davis might Jerry Porter him, or Marcus Allen him.
Haters? Dude, you the one hating on the Raiders. He ain't no big time QB, that's hate talk.
What are u talkin about man? You've been completely hatin on them. When the entire world...other then you and Shallow realize that JaMarcus has been a cancer for this team last year...but you still continue to talk shit about the team, its hate.
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haha that aint hate but hey if thats what you consider hate...ima laker whos a hater....cool wit me
but i want them to do good....if im hatin im hatin on the people who have been hatin on these people
gruden
cable guy
kiffin
russell
im hatin on those muffuccaz...not the raiders in particular
thats not me sayin that....lol
im not the one hatin on the raiders...have you been readin the threads....
true.....jus cant wait to show these haters campbell aint no....shit he aint no big tyme qb....but he might win some more and muffuccaz is gon suck him off
well after all....russell aint leavin...not yet anyway
who knows, Al Davis might Jerry Porter him, or Marcus Allen him.
Haters? Dude, you the one hating on the Raiders. He ain't no big time QB, that's hate talk.
What are u talkin about man? You've been completely hatin on them. When the entire world...other then you and Shallow realize that JaMarcus has been a cancer for this team last year...but you still continue to talk shit about the team, its hate.
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haha that aint hate but hey if thats what you consider hate...ima laker whos a hater....cool wit me
but i want them to do good....if im hatin im hatin on the people who have been hatin on these people
gruden
cable guy
kiffin
russell
im hatin on those muffuccaz...not the raiders in particular
What youre not realizing, is that people arent "hating" on those people. Fans are upset at the jobs that some of them have done. Thats what fans do. Most Raider fans love Gruden. I dont know too many that have a problem with Cable either. Kiffin is hit or miss, and he has kind of proven himself to be a bit of a snot nosed punk at times. But thats aiight. But Im not sure if u understand the definition of "hating" on somebody. Hating on somebody means you dont wanna see them succeed. You would stand in the way of their success if you could. Nobody wants to see Jamarcus fail. Not Raider fans thats for sure. WE DRAFTED HIM lol. We wanted him to succeed. But when he finally got his chance...and basically was an embarassment on the field, fans got pissed and said...fuck this guy, he isnt any good. That isnt hating lolol. Thats criticism. Why would you give a shit when every fan, analysts, NFL expert studies Jamarcus's game....and realizes...this guy is a bust. He isnt good on the field, and he doesnt even work hard to get better. Why would u defend that?
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not defendin him not workin....its cool tho
gruden>>>>>
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not defendin him not workin....its cool tho
gruden>>>>>
I think most Raider fans would love to see Gruden again. Although I dont have a problem with Cable.
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they are both dope
not defendin him not workin....its cool tho
gruden>>>>>
I think most Raider fans would love to see Gruden again. Although I dont have a problem with Cable.
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I say the Raiders should draft Calvin Johnson. Moss and Porter are gone, and we need that weapon. Trade Moss and Porter for draft picks, get some linemen, but with the first pick in the 2nd round, get Troy Smith. Peterson would also be a good pick up if they can get another first round pick, but they need to boost that offense in a hurry. Hell, trade Sapp for some picks. There is no question a huge make over is needed, but that D is on point, and to build a young O to go with that great young D and getting a play caller to go with Rob Ryan as the head coach, it might take some time, but the Raiders will be heading in the right direction. I think though that they should get more weapons and draft Smith in the second round. And history has shown that Al will not draft a QB first round.
LOL... in 2007 I was for Johnson or Peterson... LMAO, Troy Smith second round. WOW! I loved how I assumed Rob Ryan would be head coach... lol.
M Dogg for Raider's GM
Im gonna be pissed if we pass on Jamonster Russell.
he had a great game, but his career is average. his a great athlete, but who knows, I have no clue what Al wants to do, history says he wouldn't, but it might be a great gamble that goes right. I still say trade Moss and Porter, I would love a chance to draft Johnson or Peterson, those two will be great playmakers, and the Raiders have the player that can get them a few other 1st round picks.
haha that aint hate but hey if thats what you consider hate...ima laker whos a hater....cool wit me
but i want them to do good....if im hatin im hatin on the people who have been hatin on these people
gruden
cable guy
kiffin
russell
im hatin on those muffuccaz...not the raiders in particular
What youre not realizing, is that people arent "hating" on those people. Fans are upset at the jobs that some of them have done. Thats what fans do. Most Raider fans love Gruden. I dont know too many that have a problem with Cable either. Kiffin is hit or miss, and he has kind of proven himself to be a bit of a snot nosed punk at times. But thats aiight. But Im not sure if u understand the definition of "hating" on somebody. Hating on somebody means you dont wanna see them succeed. You would stand in the way of their success if you could. Nobody wants to see Jamarcus fail. Not Raider fans thats for sure. WE DRAFTED HIM lol. We wanted him to succeed. But when he finally got his chance...and basically was an embarassment on the field, fans got pissed and said...fuck this guy, he isnt any good. That isnt hating lolol. Thats criticism. Why would you give a shit when every fan, analysts, NFL expert studies Jamarcus's game....and realizes...this guy is a bust. He isnt good on the field, and he doesnt even work hard to get better. Why would u defend that?
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I say the Raiders should draft Calvin Johnson. Moss and Porter are gone, and we need that weapon. Trade Moss and Porter for draft picks, get some linemen, but with the first pick in the 2nd round, get Troy Smith. Peterson would also be a good pick up if they can get another first round pick, but they need to boost that offense in a hurry. Hell, trade Sapp for some picks. There is no question a huge make over is needed, but that D is on point, and to build a young O to go with that great young D and getting a play caller to go with Rob Ryan as the head coach, it might take some time, but the Raiders will be heading in the right direction. I think though that they should get more weapons and draft Smith in the second round. And history has shown that Al will not draft a QB first round.
LOL... in 2007 I was for Johnson or Peterson... LMAO, Troy Smith second round. WOW! I loved how I assumed Rob Ryan would be head coach... lol.
M Dogg for Raider's GM
Im gonna be pissed if we pass on Jamonster Russell.
he had a great game, but his career is average. his a great athlete, but who knows, I have no clue what Al wants to do, history says he wouldn't, but it might be a great gamble that goes right. I still say trade Moss and Porter, I would love a chance to draft Johnson or Peterson, those two will be great playmakers, and the Raiders have the player that can get them a few other 1st round picks.
haha that aint hate but hey if thats what you consider hate...ima laker whos a hater....cool wit me
but i want them to do good....if im hatin im hatin on the people who have been hatin on these people
gruden
cable guy
kiffin
russell
im hatin on those muffuccaz...not the raiders in particular
What youre not realizing, is that people arent "hating" on those people. Fans are upset at the jobs that some of them have done. Thats what fans do. Most Raider fans love Gruden. I dont know too many that have a problem with Cable either. Kiffin is hit or miss, and he has kind of proven himself to be a bit of a snot nosed punk at times. But thats aiight. But Im not sure if u understand the definition of "hating" on somebody. Hating on somebody means you dont wanna see them succeed. You would stand in the way of their success if you could. Nobody wants to see Jamarcus fail. Not Raider fans thats for sure. WE DRAFTED HIM lol. We wanted him to succeed. But when he finally got his chance...and basically was an embarassment on the field, fans got pissed and said...fuck this guy, he isnt any good. That isnt hating lolol. Thats criticism. Why would you give a shit when every fan, analysts, NFL expert studies Jamarcus's game....and realizes...this guy is a bust. He isnt good on the field, and he doesnt even work hard to get better. Why would u defend that?
I would have loved to get Peterson. Calvin Johnson was widely believed to be the biggest talent in that draft. And Al was really in love with him. But we still needed a QB. As much as the media likes to talk about the Raiders making stupid picks...they really would have let us have it if we took a WR #1. Instead, they praised the Russell pick. And now say Al made a mistake lol.
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I say the Raiders should draft Calvin Johnson. Moss and Porter are gone, and we need that weapon. Trade Moss and Porter for draft picks, get some linemen, but with the first pick in the 2nd round, get Troy Smith. Peterson would also be a good pick up if they can get another first round pick, but they need to boost that offense in a hurry. Hell, trade Sapp for some picks. There is no question a huge make over is needed, but that D is on point, and to build a young O to go with that great young D and getting a play caller to go with Rob Ryan as the head coach, it might take some time, but the Raiders will be heading in the right direction. I think though that they should get more weapons and draft Smith in the second round. And history has shown that Al will not draft a QB first round.
LOL... in 2007 I was for Johnson or Peterson... LMAO, Troy Smith second round. WOW! I loved how I assumed Rob Ryan would be head coach... lol.
M Dogg for Raider's GM
Im gonna be pissed if we pass on Jamonster Russell.
he had a great game, but his career is average. his a great athlete, but who knows, I have no clue what Al wants to do, history says he wouldn't, but it might be a great gamble that goes right. I still say trade Moss and Porter, I would love a chance to draft Johnson or Peterson, those two will be great playmakers, and the Raiders have the player that can get them a few other 1st round picks.
haha that aint hate but hey if thats what you consider hate...ima laker whos a hater....cool wit me
but i want them to do good....if im hatin im hatin on the people who have been hatin on these people
gruden
cable guy
kiffin
russell
im hatin on those muffuccaz...not the raiders in particular
What youre not realizing, is that people arent "hating" on those people. Fans are upset at the jobs that some of them have done. Thats what fans do. Most Raider fans love Gruden. I dont know too many that have a problem with Cable either. Kiffin is hit or miss, and he has kind of proven himself to be a bit of a snot nosed punk at times. But thats aiight. But Im not sure if u understand the definition of "hating" on somebody. Hating on somebody means you dont wanna see them succeed. You would stand in the way of their success if you could. Nobody wants to see Jamarcus fail. Not Raider fans thats for sure. WE DRAFTED HIM lol. We wanted him to succeed. But when he finally got his chance...and basically was an embarassment on the field, fans got pissed and said...fuck this guy, he isnt any good. That isnt hating lolol. Thats criticism. Why would you give a shit when every fan, analysts, NFL expert studies Jamarcus's game....and realizes...this guy is a bust. He isnt good on the field, and he doesnt even work hard to get better. Why would u defend that?
I would have loved to get Peterson. Calvin Johnson was widely believed to be the biggest talent in that draft. And Al was really in love with him. But we still needed a QB. As much as the media likes to talk about the Raiders making stupid picks...they really would have let us have it if we took a WR #1. Instead, they praised the Russell pick. And now say Al made a mistake lol.
Oh yeah, I'm not saying Russell was a wrong move, especially because for the season since Gannon got hurt the Raiders had no QB, and Russell was suppose to fix that. I actually was looking back and trying to find me praising Russell, which I found plenty, but I also found that. LOL. Notice I mentioned Troy Smith, because it was so obvious the Raiders needed a QB. Oh well, all I can say is...
Let the Jason Campbell era begin in Oakland... lol
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if it works out they will love him...but if it dont they will hate but they will wait to judge and after the fact....
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if it works out they will love him...but if it dont they will hate but they will wait to judge and after the fact....
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Its official,jamarcus russel was released
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Its official,jamarcus russel was released
not surprised
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Apparently the consensus was that if management gave russell another start the team was going to mutiny.Ouch.
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Apparently the consensus was that if management gave russell another start the Fans was going to mutiny.Ouch.
Added:)
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Apparently the consensus was that if management gave russell another start the team was going to mutiny.Ouch.
Not surprised. The entire team had absolutely no confidence in the guy. Thats why I get amazed when anyone defends him. We arent there EVERY day. So we only know what is reported. But when have you ever heard of a team having this much of an issue with its starting QB? It shows you that they know he didnt give a fuck. Falling asleep in meetings, having cheeseburgers waiting for you in the locker room after games lol The dude is just a bum. If he fixes his attitude, he might be able to make a decent career as a backup somewhere. But he will have to COMPLETELY change himself.
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at least he left with somethin...if he would have left with nuthin..... :-X
Its official,jamarcus russel was released
not surprised