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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: BiggBoogaBiff on April 28, 2010, 09:33:26 PM
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they said that shit on "The Deal" tha other week. and u know wat, that shit is too true. my nigga Eazy ain't never get tha same love Pac & Big got and never has.
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I think part of it, sadly, has been Tomica and Ruthless' awful handling of the estate... Pacs had how many posthumous albums? Atleast 5 off the top of my head, heck even B.I.G. who didn't really leave that much unrealeased stuff had 2... Even if it's just remix projexts, you have to do SOMETHING to keep the name out there. On the 10th Anniversary of his death, where was some sort of big name release?
they did this a few years ago:
Impact Of A Legend :
Release Date : March 26th, 2002
Label : Ruthless Records
type : LP/DVD
Tracklisting :
01. Intro
02. Eazy 123
03. Cock The 9
04. Switchez
05. The Rev (skit)
06. No More Tears
07. Ruthless Life
08. Still F**kem
Fail. Remix beats were garbage. A big name would have helped it a little bit, the producers they picked on here were just wack, period. Like bad. The guest features were so-so... and that's being generous. Unless Ruthless themselves step up to the plate and invite big name West coast producers to remix some songs, it's prolly gonna be like this for a while.
Bottom line his name just isn't out there enough... Big Pun and Big L get more love...
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I think part of it, sadly, has been Tomica and Ruthless' awful handling of the estate... Pacs had how many posthumous albums? Atleast 5 off the top of my head, heck even B.I.G. who didn't really leave that much unrealeased stuff had 2... Even if it's just remix projexts, you have to do SOMETHING to keep the name out there. On the 10th Anniversary of his death, where was some sort of big name release?
they did this a few years ago:
Impact Of A Legend :
Release Date : March 26th, 2002
Label : Ruthless Records
type : LP/DVD
Tracklisting :
01. Intro
02. Eazy 123
03. Cock The 9
04. Switchez
05. The Rev (skit)
06. No More Tears
07. Ruthless Life
08. Still F**kem
Fail. Remix beats were garbage. A big name would have helped it a little bit, the producers they picked on here were just wack, period. Like bad. The guest features were so-so... and that's being generous. Unless Ruthless themselves step up to the plate and invite big name West coast producers to remix some songs, it's prolly gonna be like this for a while.
Bottom line his name just isn't out there enough... Big Pun and Big L get more love...
3v3ryThing u just wrote was the truth. RIP Eazy. What I wanna know is why is there a movie about biggie and pac and now 1 about nwa in the works but there wasn't a movie about Eazy. Eazy E is THE Godfather of Hip Hop, no1 who has came out since or b4 then can dispute that. If it wasn't for Eazy, we would just now probably starting to hear cuss words go mainstream in rap music as a "new" way to market Rap towards/for the youth lol. Yeah, he wasn't the best rapper and maybe u might think he didn't even have the best beats and so what he didn't write ALL of rhymes but 1 thing is FACT, Eazy E started this gangsta shit that everybody's been doin' since since (the style and everything), and it's truely an American Tragedy how his legacy has played out.
Truthfully, when you're talking about Hip Hop how do u NOT mention Eazy E and talk about what he did for this game.
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I think part of it, sadly, has been Tomica and Ruthless' awful handling of the estate... Pacs had how many posthumous albums? Atleast 5 off the top of my head, heck even B.I.G. who didn't really leave that much unrealeased stuff had 2... Even if it's just remix projexts, you have to do SOMETHING to keep the name out there. On the 10th Anniversary of his death, where was some sort of big name release?
they did this a few years ago:
Impact Of A Legend :
Release Date : March 26th, 2002
Label : Ruthless Records
type : LP/DVD
Tracklisting :
01. Intro
02. Eazy 123
03. Cock The 9
04. Switchez
05. The Rev (skit)
06. No More Tears
07. Ruthless Life
08. Still F**kem
Fail. Remix beats were garbage. A big name would have helped it a little bit, the producers they picked on here were just wack, period. Like bad. The guest features were so-so... and that's being generous. Unless Ruthless themselves step up to the plate and invite big name West coast producers to remix some songs, it's prolly gonna be like this for a while.
Bottom line his name just isn't out there enough... Big Pun and Big L get more love...
i agree but at the same time theres positives to this shit. tomica doesnt deserve shit. tupac has all this bullshit going on that he would never approve of, and biggie has a horrible movie about him. eazys music will always be there
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i agree but at the same time theres positives to this shit. tomica doesnt deserve shit. tupac has all this bullshit going on that he would never approve of, and biggie has a horrible movie about him. eazys music will always be there
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that may be true but ppl act like Pac was gonna continue 2 be that same burning bright star he was. Who knows, Pac coulda fell off HARD after 1996 and ppl wouldn't even have expected it, shit was goin' mainstream just like all of the rappers are of today. But atleast we could get some more new music by Eazy, even if it was on some duets shit like Biggie had. Matter of fact, they could atleast talk about the guy more and give him his props and accolades, they don't even do that. but since Eazy E was WestCoast only and had beef with Dr. Dre and died of AIDS and only had a few records out all of that shit just goes outta tha window.
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I think part of it, sadly, has been Tomica and Ruthless' awful handling of the estate... Pacs had how many posthumous albums? Atleast 5 off the top of my head, heck even B.I.G. who didn't really leave that much unrealeased stuff had 2... Even if it's just remix projexts, you have to do SOMETHING to keep the name out there. On the 10th Anniversary of his death, where was some sort of big name release?
they did this a few years ago:
Impact Of A Legend :
Release Date : March 26th, 2002
Label : Ruthless Records
type : LP/DVD
Tracklisting :
01. Intro
02. Eazy 123
03. Cock The 9
04. Switchez
05. The Rev (skit)
06. No More Tears
07. Ruthless Life
08. Still F**kem
Fail. Remix beats were garbage. A big name would have helped it a little bit, the producers they picked on here were just wack, period. Like bad. The guest features were so-so... and that's being generous. Unless Ruthless themselves step up to the plate and invite big name West coast producers to remix some songs, it's prolly gonna be like this for a while.
Bottom line his name just isn't out there enough... Big Pun and Big L get more love...
3v3ryThing u just wrote was the truth. RIP Eazy. What I wanna know is why is there a movie about biggie and pac and now 1 about nwa in the works but there wasn't a movie about Eazy. Eazy E is THE Godfather of Hip Hop, no1 who has came out since or b4 then can dispute that. If it wasn't for Eazy, we would just now probably starting to hear cuss words go mainstream in rap music as a "new" way to market Rap towards/for the youth lol. Yeah, he wasn't the best rapper and maybe u might think he didn't even have the best beats and so what he didn't write ALL of rhymes but 1 thing is FACT, Eazy E started this gangsta shit that everybody's been doin' since since (the style and everything), and it's truely an American Tragedy how his legacy has played out.
Truthfully, when you're talking about Hip Hop how do u NOT mention Eazy E and talk about what he did for this game.
i agree with you that eazy e needs a movie but i don't agree with what you said about eazy-e being the godfather of hip hop when that is not close to being true . the godfather of hip hop is kool herk. also ice t was doing everything eazy e did way before him.all eazy e did was make gangsta rap famous but it was schooly d & ice t who really started this gangst shit . no we would heard cuss words in mainstream in rap music without eazy -e because of too short ,ice t , & 2 live crew. sorry but it was 2 live crew who was berhind the cussing not eazy in hip hop . see this shows you don't know you history at all & only go by what main stream media told you . 2 live crew & too short were cussing & making a name before eazy -e . so know your history ,youngster because you don't.
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Eazy doesn't get the respect Biggie and Pac get because his voice sucks. He wasn't a lyrical genius either.
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And he didn't wrote his own lirycs... ::)
BUT HE needs respect, because he was one the creators of gangsta rap!
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i agree with you that eazy e needs a movie but i don't agree with what you said about eazy-e being the godfather of hip hop when that is not close to being true . the godfather of hip hop is kool herk. also ice t was doing everything eazy e did way before him.all eazy e did was milke gangsta rap famous but it was schooly d & ice t who really started this gangst shit . no we would heard cuss words in mainstream in rap music without eazy -e because of too short ,ice t , & 2 live crew. sorry but it was 2 live crew who was berhind the cussing not eazy in hip hop . see this shows you don't know you history at all & only go by what main stream media told you . 2 live crew & too short were cussing & making a name before eazy -e . so know your history ,youngster because you don't.
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y do u always ASSUME that i'm some new age internet baby that got all of his info from Vh1 and MTV. stop that shit.
about what u said, u'r right. i've heard about all of that shit but no1 did it like Eazy did, all that other shit u were talkin about like Ice T and 2 Live Crew sounded like house music with rap and cusswords.
so do me a favor and stop thinkin that u know me. i'm not ur son. and i know i could go on all day about this game and wrap nooses around ur neck without the google. it would've been much more eazyier to say "actually" instead of that youngster i dont know shit shit. and if i'm only goin' by wat mainstream media tells me then there's no way in hell that this topic or any other post i make would be out.
And Eazy was the Godfather too and Kool Herc was the FATHER, so get YOUR shit straight. Yeah, Cube wrote the nigga rhymes but Eazy put the personality and the voice behind it and had much more of an INFLUENCE (let's not undermine that) than ANY of them niggas u mentioned, whether ur talkin about the homie Short Dogg or Schooly D. Herc was the Daddy in a sense he actually made the shit, Eazy was the Godfather figure. that's if you know Your history
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cry me a river :'( really, who cares how much respect a dead rapper gets.
He still has enough hardcore groupies like whoorider who write death poems for him.
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i agree with you that eazy e needs a movie but i don't agree with what you said about eazy-e being the godfather of hip hop when that is not close to being true . the godfather of hip hop is kool herk. also ice t was doing everything eazy e did way before him.all eazy e did was milke gangsta rap famous but it was schooly d & ice t who really started this gangst shit . no we would heard cuss words in mainstream in rap music without eazy -e because of too short ,ice t , & 2 live crew. sorry but it was 2 live crew who was berhind the cussing not eazy in hip hop . see this shows you don't know you history at all & only go by what main stream media told you . 2 live crew & too short were cussing & making a name before eazy -e . so know your history ,youngster because you don't.
y do u always ASSUME that i'm some new age internet baby that got all of his info from Vh1 and MTV. stop that shit.
about what u said, u'r right. i've heard about all of that shit but no1 did it like Eazy did, all that other shit u were talkin about like Ice T and 2 Live Crew sounded like house music with rap and cusswords.
so do me a favor and stop thinkin that u know me. i'm not ur son. and i know i could go on all day about this game and wrap nooses around ur neck without the google. it would've been much more eazyier to say "actually" instead of that youngster i dont know shit shit. and if i'm only goin' by wat mainstream media tells me then there's no way in hell that this topic or any other post i make would be out.
And Eazy was the Godfather too and Kool Herc was the FATHER, so get YOUR shit straight. Yeah, Cube wrote the nigga rhymes but Eazy put the personality and the voice behind it and had much more of an INFLUENCE (let's not undermine that) than ANY of them niggas u mentioned, whether ur talkin about the homie Short Dogg or Schooly D. Herc was the Daddy in a sense he actually made the shit, Eazy was the Godfather figure. that's if you know Your history
[/quote]see you proved me so right with your igorance of how you think. . kool herc is the only godfather of hip hop . eazy-e was known as godfather gangsta rap & nothing more. eveything you say is bullshit opinion & not a fact at alll .so your thinking comes off like igonorant new schoooler & that is why you get treated they way you do by me/ sorry but you are so wrong about too short or 2 live crew not having as much influence as eazy e. see you are overratting eazy when you say that . too short & 2 live had the same amount of influence as EAZY e & that is fact.alsostoo short madxe cuss word famous not eazy e at all .so get shit striaght becuse you are the one wrong . i have been listening & living hip ho since 1982 . so that means i know more then you & seen it up close compared to you . ice t's music never sounded like house music with rap and cusswords. this jsut proves you are full of shit . ice t was original gansta rap style & west coast sound.also i never called you my son ,stupid ass . sorry but i do know you by what you write & it shows you don't know anything at all. that is fact you are going to have deal with . only stupid ignorant new schooler who only listen to main stream would write what you write . so save it ,youngster. eazy-e's music was never him anyways who was behind any of it .
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see you proved me so right with your igorance of how you think. . kool herc is the only godfather of hip hop . eazy-e was known as godfather gangsta rap & nothing more. eveything you say is bullshit opinion & not a fact at alll .so your thinking comes off like igonorant new schoooler & that is why you get treated they way you do by me/ sorry but you are so wrong about too short or 2 live crew not having as much influence as eazy e. see you are overratting eazy when you say that . too short & 2 live had the same amount of influence as EAZY e & that is fact.alsostoo short madxe cuss word famous not eazy e at all .so get shit striaght becuse you are the one wrong . i have been listening & living hip ho since 1982 . so that means i know more then you & seen it up close compared to you . ice t's music never sounded like house music with rap and cusswords. this jsut proves you are full of shit . ice t was original gansta rap style & west coast sound.also i never called you my son ,stupid ass . sorry but i do know you by what you write & it shows you don't know anything at all. that is fact you are going to have deal with . only stupid ignorant new schooler who only listen to main stream would write what you write . so save it ,youngster. eazy-e's music was never him anyways who was behind any of it .
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no i'm sorry, your wrong about all of that shit. i'm just gonna leave it at my nigga Eazy was at the White House (so who had the bigger influence) and Ice T's music did sound like some funky ass ghetto techno i dont care wat u say, it was Hip Hop but definitely TOO house influenced. http://www.amazon.com/Rhyme-Pays-Ice-T/dp/B000002LC6/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1272985905&sr=8-8
*EDIT: and let's not forget that BOTH of those albums (Rhyme Pays & Eazy Duz It) were both recorded and released around the same time in 1986 and 1987 so don't go jumpin' ahead of urself tryin' 2 make me look dumb. i'm not a target. And yeah right now i just googled this but Schoolly D came out in 86' nigga, around the same time as them also. I think $hort came out in like 83' with his first tape and it wasn't even soundin' like tha shit he started makin' after Freaky Tales if i'm not mistaken and if I am it still doesn't make me wrong about Eazy. $hort didn't even really get poppin' poppin' til the late 80's.
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he didnt write his own songs,he was a mediocre rapper and he gets as much respect as he deserves.
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he didnt write his own songs,he was a mediocre rapper and he gets as much respect as he deserves.
not really.
i hope you were just being sarcastic here
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see you proved me so right with your igorance of how you think. . kool herc is the only godfather of hip hop . eazy-e was known as godfather gangsta rap & nothing more. eveything you say is bullshit opinion & not a fact at alll .so your thinking comes off like igonorant new schoooler & that is why you get treated they way you do by me/ sorry but you are so wrong about too short or 2 live crew not having as much influence as eazy e. see you are overratting eazy when you say that . too short & 2 live had the same amount of influence as EAZY e & that is fact.alsostoo short madxe cuss word famous not eazy e at all .so get shit striaght becuse you are the one wrong . i have been listening & living hip ho since 1982 . so that means i know more then you & seen it up close compared to you . ice t's music never sounded like house music with rap and cusswords. this jsut proves you are full of shit . ice t was original gansta rap style & west coast sound.also i never called you my son ,stupid ass . sorry but i do know you by what you write & it shows you don't know anything at all. that is fact you are going to have deal with . only stupid ignorant new schooler who only listen to main stream would write what you write . so save it ,youngster. eazy-e's music was never him anyways who was behind any of it .
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no i'm sorry, your wrong about all of that shit. i'm just gonna leave it at my nigga Eazy was at the White House (so who had the bigger influence) and Ice T's music did sound like some funky ass ghetto techno i dont care wat u say, it was Hip Hop but definitely TOO house influenced. http://www.amazon.com/Rhyme-Pays-Ice-T/dp/B000002LC6/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1272985905&sr=8-8
*EDIT: and let's not forget that BOTH of those albums (Rhyme Pays & Eazy Duz It) were both recorded and released around the same time in 1986 and 1987 so don't go jumpin' ahead of urself tryin' 2 make me look dumb. i'm not a target. And yeah right now i just googled this but Schoolly D came out in 86' nigga, around the same time as them also. I think $hort came out in like 83' with his first tape and it wasn't even soundin' like tha shit he started makin' after Freaky Tales if i'm not mistaken and if I am it still doesn't make me wrong about Eazy. $hort didn't even really get poppin' poppin' til the late 80's.
see you prove me right because you don't know that facts . i go by facts not opinions like you . so what if eazy e went to white house that don't make you godfather of hip hop at all & also does not mean eazy had bigger influence. to be godfather of hip hop, you have to been the one who started hip hop & there is only one man that did that . that is KOOL Herc!. without kool herc there would be no hip hop or eazy e at all . Rhyme Pays & Eazy Duz It were not made at same time at all. get your facts straight . ice t's rhyme pays was made in 1986 & released in 1987 . while eazy-e's eazy duz it was made in 1988 & release in 1988 . so you are wrong again as normal . yes ,schooly was out 86 . 2 years before eazy came out & 1 year before ice t came out . ice t & dr dre both have said schooly d started gansta rap & you don't know better then them at all. go watch chronic relit DVD & you will be told . i am not at all jumpin'ahead of myself,tryin' 2 make you look dumb . you are do that to yourself not me . too short first big label album was born to mack & it came out in 1987 before eazy e's first album. yes one year does matter alot & means eazy e did not start shit at all . instead eazy e jumped on bandwagoon called gansta rao $hort didn't even really get poppin' poppin' til the late 80's? so what eazy did not getting poping to late 80's too . so what . too short made the word bitch famous before eazy had album out.so your arewrong about eazy-e . sorry to hurt you feeling but your are 100% wrong & don't know the facts at alll. by that is shows your age & it means that you are not old enought to even know what your are talking about at all. stop overratting eazy-e . so face the facts you are wrong .
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Eazy E should get respect for being a pioneer of gangsta rap. Which he does. But as far as 2Pac and Biggie go, they get respect for actually having talent and for coming out with classic albums and music that a lot of people can relate to. Eazy E didn't write his own lyrics, nor were they even good lyrics to begin with. His lyrics consisted entirely of either sex or violence and were very basic. He was a gimmick basically, who succeeded through his business smarts and surrounding himself with creative people who knew how to make music. But as far as being an actual legitimate music artist he fails.
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Eazy E should get respect for being a pioneer of gangsta rap. Which he does. But as far as 2Pac and Biggie go, they get respect for actually having talent and for coming out with classic albums and music that a lot of people can relate to. Eazy E didn't write his own lyrics, nor were they even good lyrics to begin with. His lyrics consisted entirely of either sex or violence and were very basic. He was a gimmick basically, who succeeded through his business smarts and surrounding himself with creative people who knew how to make music. But as far as being an actual legitimate music artist he fails.
Concur.
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Eazy E should get respect for being a pioneer of gangsta rap. Which he does. But as far as 2Pac and Biggie go, they get respect for actually having talent and for coming out with classic albums and music that a lot of people can relate to. Eazy E didn't write his own lyrics, nor were they even good lyrics to begin with. His lyrics consisted entirely of either sex or violence and were very basic. He was a gimmick basically, who succeeded through his business smarts and surrounding himself with creative people who knew how to make music. But as far as being an actual legitimate music artist he fails.
This.Im not sure what other respect hes supposed to be given.As a busisness man and pioneer he was great,as an artist,not so much.
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Bone thugs was right, Eazy E was under appreciated, just listen to the 'Its on dr dre' ep, that shit was amazing, classic battle rapping and that 'real muthaphucking G's was a problem, it makes me ask myself if Eazy E really lost that beef!!!!! Eric Wright rest in peace
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see you proved me so right with your igorance of how you think. . kool herc is the only godfather of hip hop . eazy-e was known as godfather gangsta rap & nothing more. eveything you say is bullshit opinion & not a fact at alll .so your thinking comes off like igonorant new schoooler & that is why you get treated they way you do by me/ sorry but you are so wrong about too short or 2 live crew not having as much influence as eazy e. see you are overratting eazy when you say that . too short & 2 live had the same amount of influence as EAZY e & that is fact.alsostoo short madxe cuss word famous not eazy e at all .so get shit striaght becuse you are the one wrong . i have been listening & living hip ho since 1982 . so that means i know more then you & seen it up close compared to you . ice t's music never sounded like house music with rap and cusswords. this jsut proves you are full of shit . ice t was original gansta rap style & west coast sound.also i never called you my son ,stupid ass . sorry but i do know you by what you write & it shows you don't know anything at all. that is fact you are going to have deal with . only stupid ignorant new schooler who only listen to main stream would write what you write . so save it ,youngster. eazy-e's music was never him anyways who was behind any of it .
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no i'm sorry, your wrong about all of that shit. i'm just gonna leave it at my nigga Eazy was at the White House (so who had the bigger influence) and Ice T's music did sound like some funky ass ghetto techno i dont care wat u say, it was Hip Hop but definitely TOO house influenced. http://www.amazon.com/Rhyme-Pays-Ice-T/dp/B000002LC6/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1272985905&sr=8-8
*EDIT: and let's not forget that BOTH of those albums (Rhyme Pays & Eazy Duz It) were both recorded and released around the same time in 1986 and 1987 so don't go jumpin' ahead of urself tryin' 2 make me look dumb. i'm not a target. And yeah right now i just googled this but Schoolly D came out in 86' nigga, around the same time as them also. I think $hort came out in like 83' with his first tape and it wasn't even soundin' like tha shit he started makin' after Freaky Tales if i'm not mistaken and if I am it still doesn't make me wrong about Eazy. $hort didn't even really get poppin' poppin' til the late 80's.
see you prove me right because you don't know that facts . i go by facts not opinions like you . so what if eazy e went to white house that don't make you godfather of hip hop at all & also does not mean eazy had bigger influence. to be godfather of hip hop, you have to been the one who started hip hop & there is only one man that did that . that is KOOL Herc!. without kool herc there would be no hip hop or eazy e at all . Rhyme Pays & Eazy Duz It were not made at same time at all. get your facts straight . ice t's rhyme pays was made in 1986 & released in 1987 . while eazy-e's eazy duz it was made in 1988 & release in 1988 . so you are wrong again as normal . yes ,schooly was out 86 . 2 years before eazy came out & 1 year before ice t came out . ice t & dr dre both have said schooly d started gansta rap & you don't know better then them at all. go watch chronic relit DVD & you will be told . i am not at all jumpin'ahead of myself,tryin' 2 make you look dumb . you are do that to yourself not me . too short first big label album was born to mack & it came out in 1987 before eazy e's first album. yes one year does matter alot & means eazy e did not start shit at all . instead eazy e jumped on bandwagoon called gansta rao $hort didn't even really get poppin' poppin' til the late 80's? so what eazy did not getting poping to late 80's too . so what . too short made the word bitch famous before eazy had album out.so your arewrong about eazy-e . sorry to hurt you feeling but your are 100% wrong & don't know the facts at alll. by that is shows your age & it means that you are not old enought to even know what your are talking about at all. stop overratting eazy-e . so face the facts you are wrong .
i stopped reading it after u mentioned Kool Herc (and then skimmed thru it) bcuz I knew what excuses u were gonna use and how u were automatically gonna shoot down everything i say bcuz YOUR truth is ultimately the only thing YOU KNOW and SEEN and u probably didn't even read all of my shit or even think about for the slightest second where i'm coming from. But get tha fuck outta tha 70's son. Yeah, Kool Herc is the FATHER (not Godfather, do u really know what that term means) and he did his thing. But FACT is, Kool Herc was pretty much irrelevant after once he got on. Yeah i havent actually really checked 4 this nigga but I'm sure I would've if he woulda actually made some noise. He looped a beat and everybody caught on. Okay, u did it first but what about everybody after you? You can't give Herc ALL of the credit.
but as far as $hort goes, him and Eazy had TWO TOTALLY DIFFERENT STYLES, so ur arguement is redundant to tha FACT. If Eazy E was the "Godfather of Gangsta Rap" (for the record I pre-ordered that album so I already knew what he was labeled) then he is the Godfather of ALL of the Rap music that came after him. "Gangsta Rap" is not a legitimate title for me, i feel the same way NWA felt back in the day, it's reality Rap, and ever since NWA (and Eazy E, as the LEADER of course) RAP MUSIC has went in that direction ever since. So that term is obsolete. Everybody from from KRS to J. Cole has rapped about a gun or two since then and that's the way it's always gonna be, no matter what the trend is.
u know just this morning some old guy at Pep Boys tried to give me this "youngster" talk (about the usual; saggy pants and all of that) and I could tell I captavated his mind once I asked him to define "black" for me. and he kept going on and on about what's wrong with the youth (u know, the usual blah blah blah that's been goin' on since the 80's). it's me and him and only 1 other person in the store to catch that "early bird special" and next thing u know he's behind me and some other Rep comes up and asks who's next, next thing u know he just jumps up in line and takes my spot (whole time the other guy who was pretty much on my side, older guy with some gray hair is already in line). so anyways, he's still preaching and assumes that he's got my full attention and mind (whole time i'm just like whatever, u probably r only doing this bcuz of some probation thing u probably got goin on), so then I said, "well u just got in front of me in line and ur preaching to me about what's wrong with the youth today, so ur actions just made ur teachings hypocritical to what u believe and next thing u know he was trying to change the subject but i just pretty much turnt the other cheek. shit, back in the 60's and 70's Black Father's were abandoning their children at the highest rates (which is where the problem started, besides White America).
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So with saying that, don't give me this youngster u dont know shit talk. My Facts (which u call opinions) are based upon the results and NOT MY PERSONAL PREFERENCE. Shit, somebody probably back in the 60's and 70's (and probably before) was cursing and rapping at tha same time about smackin' women and drinking beer (u know bcuz back then it was more socially accepted to abuse women). I know what I'm talking about bcuz it's people like u who keep throwing up THE PAST in my face everytime the subject is brought up (and shit, most of the time y'all bring it up - like in my example). Y'all just dont UNDERSTAND THE FACT that we don't share the same views and opinions y'all do, in turn that makes OUR (the younger) FACTS less factual. Yeah, Schoolly D might've been the 1st to actually drop a tape with a whole buncha cussin and gangsta shit but it was Ice Cube and most of all Eazy E who made it what it was and what it is today. Not everytime ur the first to set a public example doesn't mean ur the inventor of it. Wale was the FIRST to use GoGo influenced productions but some1 is gonna come in and turn it in2 something else, in turn making it something COMPLETELY BRAND NEW and PIONEERING it. Shit, I was the first person I've ever seen post youtube links for songs in posts and forums and next thing u know the Rap game changed a little bit and I started noticing people posting links to songs in their replies. But I can't claim anything but tha fact that I saw/did it first (from all of the major web surfing i was doing back then, not once did i ever see it and i've been to ALOTTA sites and seen alotta shit i should'nt have seen and alot of shit i should've seen decades ago but anyways). It's the people that/that'r gonna make it what it is and what it will be (Godfathering it so to say, making it n2 something else), all I did was (i feel) was spark some1's brain and give people an idea/a new light to brighten and make shine. *4 the record u youtube muthafuckaz owe me some serious money for that lol* You'll never see me claiming anything, which is why u dont c Schoolly D and Ice T claiming shit (even though Dre and them give them all of the props). It's not bcuz they're the OG's and they wanna play that role, it's bcuz they have to. just bcuz it was similar doesn't mean it was something they created entirly, front to back-inside out. And what about Cube and the CIA, they were makin moves back in 85/86 around the same time Schoolly D first came out. Larry Davis was another cat too around that time doing it too and i'm pretty sure he probably never even heard of Schoolly D, that doesn't make him the pioneer of it. I think Larry started that shit in 84' anyways... just food for thought.
Hutch, Dre, Yella, and Quik pioneered that WestCoast sound (fact). The WestCoast sound was the beginning to a brand new ELEMENT added to Hip Hop to create what beats r today. By having funky loops and more than just a DRUM LOOP and a HIT, they created MUSIC backdrop for Hip Hop. Now Hip Hop has more than just Drum Loops and James Brown samples. Of course there was production with (maybe) more than just a drum loop and a single sound but (Hutch mainly) made it in2 something more with producing beats. And it was others after him who took the sound further. So to say that Kool Herc is the Godfather isn't completely accurate (Bcuz Hip Hop for the past 25/30 years has sounded pretty much nothing like what he did, especially once P.E. got on. If it wasn't for Eazy E, Hip Hop wouldn't be the same it is today, instrumentally and lyrically (say what u want but Eazy opened alotta doors for niggas in the trap but u dont even realize it).
There's more way to many pioneers in Hip Hop to just give all of the OLD RAPPERS AND PRODUCERS ALL OF THE CREDIT. Bcuz most of that shit they did back then *in the 70's/80's hasn't even been used since then, productionwise and lyrically.
There's way too much more to say but this is enuff 4 now. Bottom line is Eazy E made alotta shit happen for the game and it goes by just that unnoticed. Do YOUR history nigga and stop tryna son me. Anybody who makes it to tha White House (especially in the Reagan/Bush Sr. years) after ONE SOLO ALBUM and ONE GROUP ALBUM has a bigger impact and influence than anybody that came before and after him. Yeah Cube wrote most of his shit when he first started and yeah he wasn't the best rapper but that's not what we're talking about. We're talking about pioneering and who did it first, and Eazy E was the first to get on and make the game what it is today no matter what u KNOW or Dont Know about him and whatchu wanna give him props for. Eazy E was that nigga and everybody wanted to be Eazy or someone from NWA at one point, especially the white kids. Just bcuz maybe u and ur niggas didn't c it that way doesn't mean it wasn't what happened. Him and them are the Greatest examples of Hip Hop pioneers, if it wasn't for them niggas woulda been kept on dancing and partying on records and (Which is funny considering all of the attention and hate those type of rappers get today). They gave Hip Hop that RAW RAW HUMAN'S ARE ANIMALS TOO SOUL MUSIC that we always hear and that's something KRS One and P.e. didn't do and that's something Herc didn't do either. Everybody was so happy (even Ice T went for a smoother approach to it). Thank god for Eazy E and selling that crack rock and powder, if it wasn't for him Hip Hop would NEVER be where it's at, accept it or not. Your reality isn't everybody's reality (and neither is mines but I know who came out and who did what and where they got with it).
"Boyz N Da Hood" (written by Ice Cube and rapped and served to the public by Eazy E) has become the soundtrack to damn near every rap record recorded since then (even if they're lying). If it wasn't for that then we would've got another 10-20 years of staight up "your headed for self destruction" songs. Herc might've gave Hip Hop it's bones, but Eazy E and them gave it it's voice (the side of Hip Hop that stands out the most and is most used) and Hutch and Dre and them gave it it's sound. You can't deny Eazy E and his impact, it just goes by so unnoticed and so un talked about and under appreciated that it's harder to credit the guy for actually being the voice voice of Hip Hop, a loud, wild, angry muthafuckin' nigga, and that's really all Hip Hop is, abuncha loud wild angry muthafuckin niggas.
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my fault. but there's too much being underminded and not talked about when it comes to Eazy E and just Hip Hop in general. Read it little by little if u have to, if u care anyways. not to say that u dont already but what I said has to be aknowleged and not ran over by the old ass chuut chuut train the grandpas try to use everytime. i know one day i'll be grandpa but i'll always see shit for what it really is and isn't (thru books, living, and seeing it).
one thing i'll NEVER do is NOT pay homage.
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I think part of it, sadly, has been Tomica and Ruthless' awful handling of the estate... Pacs had how many posthumous albums? Atleast 5 off the top of my head, heck even B.I.G. who didn't really leave that much unrealeased stuff had 2... Even if it's just remix projexts, you have to do SOMETHING to keep the name out there. On the 10th Anniversary of his death, where was some sort of big name release?
they did this a few years ago:
Impact Of A Legend :
Release Date : March 26th, 2002
Label : Ruthless Records
type : LP/DVD
Tracklisting :
01. Intro
02. Eazy 123
03. Cock The 9
04. Switchez
05. The Rev (skit)
06. No More Tears
07. Ruthless Life
08. Still F**kem
Fail. Remix beats were garbage. A big name would have helped it a little bit, the producers they picked on here were just wack, period. Like bad. The guest features were so-so... and that's being generous. Unless Ruthless themselves step up to the plate and invite big name West coast producers to remix some songs, it's prolly gonna be like this for a while.
Bottom line his name just isn't out there enough... Big Pun and Big L get more love...
I think Rhythm D produced the whole thing, and in Ruthless Records' defense, he did a great job on the tracks he produced for "It's On Dr. Dre, 187 Um Killa," so they probably thought he would do a comparable job on the production for "The Godfather of Gangsta Rap" e.p. I think his work on "The Godfather of Gangsta Rap" e.p. was definitely far from his best work though. I completely agree with you that the guest features were so-so, at best. I think the problem was they were trying to make full songs out of unused fragments of Eazy-E songs, so they needed other rappers to fill in the gaps. Where they went completely wrong with this imo though, is that they should have used rappers like Dresta, MC Ren, and Bone Thugs to contribute verses rather than a bunch of rappers from Rhythm D's label who had no history with Eazy. That was a missed opportunity. And they actually let Rhythm D cut an MC Ren verse out of the track "Still Fuckem" and replace it with one of his artists. That's got to be one of the dumbest decisions I've ever heard of, cutting out a verse from an N.W.A. member, and releasing it with a verse from a no-name.
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I think part of it, sadly, has been Tomica and Ruthless' awful handling of the estate... Pacs had how many posthumous albums? Atleast 5 off the top of my head, heck even B.I.G. who didn't really leave that much unrealeased stuff had 2... Even if it's just remix projexts, you have to do SOMETHING to keep the name out there. On the 10th Anniversary of his death, where was some sort of big name release?
they did this a few years ago:
Impact Of A Legend :
Release Date : March 26th, 2002
Label : Ruthless Records
type : LP/DVD
Tracklisting :
01. Intro
02. Eazy 123
03. Cock The 9
04. Switchez
05. The Rev (skit)
06. No More Tears
07. Ruthless Life
08. Still F**kem
Fail. Remix beats were garbage. A big name would have helped it a little bit, the producers they picked on here were just wack, period. Like bad. The guest features were so-so... and that's being generous. Unless Ruthless themselves step up to the plate and invite big name West coast producers to remix some songs, it's prolly gonna be like this for a while.
Bottom line his name just isn't out there enough... Big Pun and Big L get more love...
3v3ryThing u just wrote was the truth. RIP Eazy. What I wanna know is why is there a movie about biggie and pac and now 1 about nwa in the works but there wasn't a movie about Eazy. Eazy E is THE Godfather of Hip Hop, no1 who has came out since or b4 then can dispute that. If it wasn't for Eazy, we would just now probably starting to hear cuss words go mainstream in rap music as a "new" way to market Rap towards/for the youth lol. Yeah, he wasn't the best rapper and maybe u might think he didn't even have the best beats and so what he didn't write ALL of rhymes but 1 thing is FACT, Eazy E started this gangsta shit that everybody's been doin' since since (the style and everything), and it's truely an American Tragedy how his legacy has played out.
Truthfully, when you're talking about Hip Hop how do u NOT mention Eazy E and talk about what he did for this game.
i agree with you that eazy e needs a movie but i don't agree with what you said about eazy-e being the godfather of hip hop when that is not close to being true . the godfather of hip hop is kool herk. also ice t was doing everything eazy e did way before him.all eazy e did was make gangsta rap famous but it was schooly d & ice t who really started this gangst shit . no we would heard cuss words in mainstream in rap music without eazy -e because of too short ,ice t , & 2 live crew. sorry but it was 2 live crew who was berhind the cussing not eazy in hip hop . see this shows you don't know you history at all & only go by what main stream media told you . 2 live crew & too short were cussing & making a name before eazy -e . so know your history ,youngster because you don't.
I think when people acknowledge Eazy-E as "The Hip Hop Thugsta" or the "The Godfather of Gangsta Rap," they're not basing those titles on merit alone. It's sort of like when someone refers to Ric Flair as "The Nature Boy" or "The Dirtiest Player in the Game." Those are titles that can't be definitively proven. (Point in fact, I don't think anyone can say with any authority what a "Nature Boy" even is) But the titles are given to the person anyway, as a concession of that person's contributions to their respective field.
I don't think anyone can argue with you the fact that Eazy wasn't the first gangsta rapper. You're right. He simply wasn't. But his contributions to the genre were great. For that reason, allowances are made. Even though the title "Godfather of Gangsta Rap" technically is not accurate.
And I do agree with those who have said that Eazy doesn't get the credit he deserves. I think his contributions to the genre are often overlooked. While I agree that he didn't have the same lyrical ability as 2pac or Biggie, there is no doubt in my mind that if it weren't for Eazy-E, there never would have been a 2pac or Biggie to the extent that there was.
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^^^ yeah i guess i was feelin a lil' emo towards the whole thing but FACT remains people be forgettin or don't know exactly what Eazy E did for the image of Hip Hop. After Eazy E it was cool to be ghetto ignorant and wild and just str8 up free. The character/person Eric Wright was as Eazy E changed a whole lot of people's minds from what I've seen growing up. Eazy E was like the "nigga nigga" rapper. Of course there were others but no1 quite did it like Eazy did. Just str8 up all up on TV and the radio actin' a fool and wyling out, best believe niggaz was taking notes seriously back then just 2 see what they could get away with. Y'all already know the story/legacy of the song "boyz n da hood", the debate about Eazy E shouldn't even go past that. That song turnt raw ground beef in2 fresh-hot double cheeseburgers
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you're missing the point. 2Pac and Biggie get more love than Eazy because of their talent. Clearly Eazy E gave gangsta rap a unique image. Problem is that when it comes down to it, an image was all he was.
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you're missing the point. 2Pac and Biggie get more love than Eazy because of their talent. Clearly Eazy E gave gangsta rap a unique image. Problem is that when it comes down to it, an image was all he was.
I think all three were talented, just in different areas. I've got no argument against anyone who says that 2pac and Biggie were more lyrically gifted than Eazy. When it comes to that, I agree. But as a businessman, Eazy was a visionary. You might say he had a talent for spotting talent. And while Eazy may have seldom written his own lyrics, he always had the good sense to surround himself with very talented people. I think it's for that reason that while you can't say that Eazy wrote dope lyrics on "Eazy Duz It," most would agree that "Eazy Duz It" is still a classic album.
I do think that part of Eazy's contribution to gangsta rap was the image he portrayed, but in that respect he was great too. You know you're doing a pretty good job "stirring the pot" when you start getting letters from the F.B.I. and constant coverage in the news. Eazy even saw his "infamous" dinner with the President as a good publicity stunt, which actually I'm sure it probably was.
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Eazy even saw his "infamous" dinner with the President as a good publicity stunt, which actually I'm sure it probably was.
Hell yeah, forgot about that shit. Remember when he was supporting one of the Rodney king officers (The one who didn't touch him and acted like "he wanted to go get help."
LMAO, only Eazy... R.I.P.
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Eazy even saw his "infamous" dinner with the President as a good publicity stunt, which actually I'm sure it probably was.
Hell yeah, forgot about that shit. Remember when he was supporting one of the Rodney king officers (The one who didn't touch him and acted like "he wanted to go get help."
LMAO, only Eazy... R.I.P.
Lol. Yeah, I remember that. That one put him on the outs with at least a few people in the black community. I remember Willie D from The Ghetto Boys called him a "hoe" for saying that. I respect Eazy-E for having his own opinions though. I have one issue of "Rolling Stone" where they interviewed N.W.A., and Eazy-E referred to Spike Lee as a "little bastard." I don't even remember what the beef was, there. But Eazy was definitely not a person that would just go along with something just because other people thought he was supposed to.
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You from L.A.?
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his career was so short and he passed away so long ago that people forgot ALL ABOUT Eazy tbh. Nobody really covered his story after his death but his story is so grand and unique and so massive (altogether) that people don't even understand that without Eazy E Hip Hop music in general wouldn't have been what it is today. What if Cube actually sold that track 2 them NY niggaz and didn't give it to Eazy E who was the front man of NWA at the time. Hip Hop would be in a totally different place altogether now. Eazy had the character, the smarts, and the right package to set off a whole paradime shift IMO. Yeah, of course you couldn't possibly undermine Ice Cube (that's a whole nother story) but w/o Eazy E, Rap woulda been a lil' too political today (considering u had Cube, PE, KRs, and so many more). Eazy E made Hip Hop a little more free and it was huge. Not to mention the guy signed Will.I.Am and Bone Thugs also.
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You from L.A.?
Me? No, I'm not. Just read a lot of interviews with Eazy and N.W.A..
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you're missing the point. 2Pac and Biggie get more love than Eazy because of their talent. Clearly Eazy E gave gangsta rap a unique image. Problem is that when it comes down to it, an image was all he was.
I think all three were talented, just in different areas. I've got no argument against anyone who says that 2pac and Biggie were more lyrically gifted than Eazy. When it comes to that, I agree. But as a businessman, Eazy was a visionary. You might say he had a talent for spotting talent. And while Eazy may have seldom written his own lyrics, he always had the good sense to surround himself with very talented people. I think it's for that reason that while you can't say that Eazy wrote dope lyrics on "Eazy Duz It," most would agree that "Eazy Duz It" is still a classic album.
I do think that part of Eazy's contribution to gangsta rap was the image he portrayed, but in that respect he was great too. You know you're doing a pretty good job "stirring the pot" when you start getting letters from the F.B.I. and constant coverage in the news. Eazy even saw his "infamous" dinner with the President as a good publicity stunt, which actually I'm sure it probably was.
I'm not saying that Eazy shouldn't get respect for his influence. I'm explaining why he's not on the level of a 2Pac or Biggie. People seem mad about that but their music is on a completely different level.
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You from L.A.?
Me? No, I'm not. Just read a lot of interviews with Eazy and N.W.A..
Cool i was just wondering, you've got your Eazy tidbits on point. He did, along w/ Cube created the stereotype and / or classic iconery of that late 80's / early 90's west coast thug nigga - jheri curl, raiders / kings cap, all black from head to toe, mean mug, lol
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you're missing the point. 2Pac and Biggie get more love than Eazy because of their talent. Clearly Eazy E gave gangsta rap a unique image. Problem is that when it comes down to it, an image was all he was.
I think all three were talented, just in different areas. I've got no argument against anyone who says that 2pac and Biggie were more lyrically gifted than Eazy. When it comes to that, I agree. But as a businessman, Eazy was a visionary. You might say he had a talent for spotting talent. And while Eazy may have seldom written his own lyrics, he always had the good sense to surround himself with very talented people. I think it's for that reason that while you can't say that Eazy wrote dope lyrics on "Eazy Duz It," most would agree that "Eazy Duz It" is still a classic album.
I do think that part of Eazy's contribution to gangsta rap was the image he portrayed, but in that respect he was great too. You know you're doing a pretty good job "stirring the pot" when you start getting letters from the F.B.I. and constant coverage in the news. Eazy even saw his "infamous" dinner with the President as a good publicity stunt, which actually I'm sure it probably was.
I'm not saying that Eazy shouldn't get respect for his influence. I'm explaining why he's not on the level of a 2Pac or Biggie. People seem mad about that but their music is on a completely different level.
I agree with you on that point. But I think all three were very influential. Regarding their ability to write lyrics, I think you're right. Eazy wasn't in the same league. But Eazy got over that hurdle by having people like D.O.C. and Ice Cube, who were a couple of the great lyricists of their time, write his lyrics. Is doing that kind of a cheat? Maybe, depending on how you look at it. But if your goal is for the overall composition of your songs to be good, you still achieve that end.
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so you think Boyz in the Hood is on the same level as Dear Mama? Please. Their music isn't on the same level.
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so you think Boyz in the Hood is on the same level as Dear Mama? Please. Their music isn't on the same level.
Do you I think that "Boyz in the Hood" is as good of a song as "Dear Mama," ? No. But I think it was probably a more important song to the Rap genre.
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so you think Boyz in the Hood is on the same level as Dear Mama?
without a doubt
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so you think Boyz in the Hood is on the same level as Dear Mama? Please. Their music isn't on the same level.
Do you I think that "Boyz in the Hood" is as good of a song as "Dear Mama," ? No. But I think it was probably a more important song to the Rap genre.
LOL,what?It was a good song and pretty funny,but how was it important?
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so you think Boyz in the Hood is on the same level as Dear Mama? Please. Their music isn't on the same level.
Do you I think that "Boyz in the Hood" is as good of a song as "Dear Mama," ? No. But I think it was probably a more important song to the Rap genre.
lmao. funniest thing I've heard all day. It's a good song but its also a gimmick song with what would amount today to be terrible lyrics. And it can't be that important to hip hop since it copies its style completely from Ice T's 6 in the mornin and Schoolly D's PSK, What does it mean?
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wow @ the "boyz n da hood" remarkz. so what if it was sampled, so are 95% of ALL rap records from ANY time period. i thought u faggs had atleast that little bit of common sense but i guess not. LMAO! that's extreme right there.
anybody notice how rapsodie, jaydc, and chamillitary click always respond after each other. lol, i told y'all they were dormmates mane.
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wow @ the "boyz n da hood" remarkz. so what if it was sampled, so are 95% of ALL rap records from ANY time period. i thought u faggs had atleast that little bit of common sense but i guess not. LMAO! that's extreme right there.
anybody notice how rapsodie, jaydc, and chamillitary click always respond after each other. lol, i told y'all they were dormmates mane.
??? I can't believe I'm on a west coast forum, and I have to try to explain to people why "Boyz In the Hood" was an important record. Lol.
Well, first let me say that in the grand scheme of things I don't think "Dear Mama" was even close to one of 2pac's most important songs. I'm a huge 2pac fan, and "Dear Mama" is a great song, but it's more of a personal song. As far as social commentary, 2pac had more important songs on "2pacalypse Now," and "Strictly For My Niggaz." Actually, you could pick almost any other song off of "Me Against the World," and Pac had more to say than he did on Dear Mama. But having said that, let me try to address the responses to my point about "Boyz In the Hood."
Well, the first and most obvious point I would make about "Boyz In the Hood" is that it's the song that essentially started the careers of everyone in N.W.A. So, no "Boyz in the Hood," no N.W.A., and by extension that would probably mean no Dr. Dre, no Ice Cube, no Death Row, no Aftermath, and on and on. To further illustrate my point, here's a nice spread from "Rap Pages" magazine of the N.W.A. family tree...
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The song obviously resonated with a lot of people. It became hugely successful without the benefit of radio or video support. On the lyrical side, I can't say anyone on the track exhibited the lyrical skill that some rappers are capable of today But rap like any art form is constantly evolving. And those rappers were a product of their time. The song is what it is- a straight forward story track. And regardless of whether or not there were a couple of other rappers making music like this, no one at the time did it with the degree of success that N.W.A. did.
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Clearly it was the first song that got them attention. That makes it important to N.W.A. not rap. Again, how is this an influential song in the entire scope of rap? It's basically a remake of "6 in da Mornin." I understand it was popular. So was "Can't Touch This" and "Ice Ice Baby." But this song didn't break any new ground, it wasn't even close to the first gangsta record and Eazy E's flow and the entire style of the song is based after 6 in da Mornin.
Whether Dear Mama is 2pac's best song is debatable, many people certainly seem to think so. It was the first rap song of its kind. Instead of "bitch bitch bitch, hoe hoe hoe", it was a man paying tribute to his mother and womankind. Not only that but it topped the charts and is one of Pac's most recognizable songs. It was the most popular song on what many people consider to be his best album, now how the fuck is that not important? I would go so far as to say that it would be on a lot of people's lists of greatest hip hop songs of all time.
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Clearly it was the first song that got them attention. That makes it important to N.W.A. not rap. Again, how is this an influential song in the entire scope of rap? It's basically a remake of "6 in da Mornin." I understand it was popular. So was "Can't Touch This" and "Ice Ice Baby." But this song didn't break any new ground, it wasn't even close to the first gangsta record and Eazy E's flow and the entire style of the song is based after 6 in da Mornin.
Whether Dear Mama is 2pac's best song is debatable, many people certainly seem to think so. It was the first rap song of its kind. Instead of "bitch bitch bitch, hoe hoe hoe", it was a man paying tribute to his mother and womankind. Not only that but it topped the charts and is one of Pac's most recognizable songs. It was the most popular song on what many people consider to be his best album, now how the fuck is that not important? I would go so far as to say that it would be on a lot of people's lists of greatest hip hop songs of all time.
If "Boyz N The Hood" was an important song for N.W.A., then by extension would it not be an important song to rap? Seeing as how N.W.A.'s influence over rap music is virtually non-refutable. I would argue your point too that it didn't break any new ground. How did it not, not break new ground? If your argument is that it didn't break new ground because there were a couple of people doing gangsta rap before them, then almost no one in the genre has broken any new ground since 1986. By that rationale, "The Chronic" didn't break any new ground, and "Nothin' But G Thang" wasn't an important rap record.
You keep trying to break things down soley into lyrics. I already conceded that for pure lyricism, N.W.A. has been eclipsed by other rappers, many times over. But the over all message of songs is just as important. There was obvious social commentary in many of N.W.A.'s songs. Just as there were in many of Ice Cube and MC Ren's solo albums as well as "Above the Law's" music. They were rapping about things that much of mainstream America hadn't been exposed to at the time. That's what made it important. On that point, I'm afraid you're not going to convince me otherwise.
Regarding "Dear Mama," as I said, it's a great song. And I'm sure it was an important song, to 2pac. And at the time it was released, it was a nice change of pace to hear a positive song like that as opposed to, as you said, "bitch bitch bitch hoe hoe hoe." All I'm trying to say is that in the grand scheme of things, I would not consider this one of 2pac's most important songs. Not even in the top 10. You chose the songs, not me. If I were to pick the most important N.W.A. song, I probably wouldn't have picked "Boyz in the Hood" either. But you were closer with "Boyz in the Hood" than you were with "Dear Mama."
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Dear Mama is definitely one of 2Pac's most important songs. Hell, just google "best 2Pac songs" and I bet you Dear Mama will be on almost every list. I take it you don't like the song personally, but you can't deny its one of his most famous songs. Hell, its one of rap's most famous songs.
And you are missing the point about Boyz in the Hood. The fact that it wasn't the first gangsta song isn't the reason its not groundbreaking. The song Fuck the Police wasn't the first gangsta song either, yet it clearly WAS groundbreaking. It's the fact that's Boyz in the Hood is a ripoff of 6 in the Mornin. Same style, same flow, same storytelling manner.
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Dear Mama is definitely one of 2Pac's most important songs. Hell, just google "best 2Pac songs" and I bet you Dear Mama will be on almost every list. I take it you don't like the song personally, but you can't deny its one of his most famous songs. Hell, its one of rap's most famous songs.
And you are missing the point about Boyz in the Hood. The fact that it wasn't the first gangsta song isn't the reason its not groundbreaking. The song Fuck the Police wasn't the first gangsta song either, yet it clearly WAS groundbreaking. It's the fact that's Boyz in the Hood is a ripoff of 6 in the Mornin. Same style, same flow, same storytelling manner.
I love the song "Dear Mama," and I don't deny that it's one of 2pac's most famous songs. I just don't find it to have much social relevance, compared to many of his other songs. Maybe I'm using too narrow of a definition of "important." I think it's a great song, but by "important" I don't mean "most popular" or "most commercially successful." I'm talking about songs where Pac really had something to say. As far as important, at least in the sense I was talking about, I would list songs like these:
Trapped
Part Time Mutha
Brenda's Got a Baby
Papa's Song
Last Wordz
Wonder Why They Call You Bitch
Letter to the President
So Many Tears
Lord Knows
It Ain't Easy
I'm not saying these are the only "important" Pac songs. Not by a long shot. He has many. These are just a few that I thought of, off the top of my head. This is just my opinion, but in terms of really having something to say, I found these songs to be some of Pac's most important.
And I agree with you that "Fuck the Police" was more groundbreaking than "Boyz in the Hood," but you used "Boyz in the Hood" in your comparison to "Dear Mama." And as far as "Boyz in the Hood" being a ripoff of "6 in the Mornin,'" that may be so. But the entire rap genre is rooted in borrowing ideas and even music from other artists. How many rap songs are there that don't sample something? I can't buy that as a reason to not include "Boyz in the Hood" as a song that has a very considerable significance to the genre.
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you're missing the point. 2Pac and Biggie get more love than Eazy because of their talent. Clearly Eazy E gave gangsta rap a unique image. Problem is that when it comes down to it, an image was all he was.
I'm gonna disagree. Talent has little to do with it. I won't go so far as to say it's not a factor at all but a good chunk of it is the story behind it. In addition to being two great artists, the Pac-Big drama was this compelling larger than life story. The public can romanticize a rap feud turned fatal. They can choose sides and create discussions about who was better. The press can build up whatever kind of story they want... and with both murders remaining unsolved? I mean, where else do you have a genre of music where arguably two of its biggest stars get into this explosive feud where they are both dead within a year of each other? And you have rival record labels, one of the artists being in prison after being shot however many times then coming home and boasting of fucking the other's wife. There's way more spins you can put on this story than you can with a 30-year-old rapper dying of A.I.D.S.
But there is also the fact that Ruthless hasn't done much to keep his legacy going. They put out the DVD and EP in 2002 and occasional catalog re-releases from time to time but I think they have missed the boat in terms of keeping his name going in a lot of ways.
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wow @ the "boyz n da hood" remarkz. so what if it was sampled, so are 95% of ALL rap records from ANY time period. i thought u faggs had atleast that little bit of common sense but i guess not. LMAO! that's extreme right there.
anybody notice how rapsodie, jaydc, and chamillitary click always respond after each other. lol, i told y'all they were dormmates mane.
??? I can't believe I'm on a west coast forum, and I have to try to explain to people why "Boyz In the Hood" was an important record. Lol.
Well, first let me say that in the grand scheme of things I don't think "Dear Mama" was even close to one of 2pac's most important songs. I'm a huge 2pac fan, and "Dear Mama" is a great song, but it's more of a personal song. As far as social commentary, 2pac had more important songs on "2pacalypse Now," and "Strictly For My Niggaz." Actually, you could pick almost any other song off of "Me Against the World," and Pac had more to say than he did on Dear Mama. But having said that, let me try to address the responses to my point about "Boyz In the Hood."
Well, the first and most obvious point I would make about "Boyz In the Hood" is that it's the song that essentially started the careers of everyone in N.W.A. So, no "Boyz in the Hood," no N.W.A., and by extension that would probably mean no Dr. Dre, no Ice Cube, no Death Row, no Aftermath, and on and on. To further illustrate my point, here's a nice spread from "Rap Pages" magazine of the N.W.A. family tree...
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2196/2156295505_880f4ba1a0.jpg&imgrefurl=http://flickr.com/photos/21630929%40N04/2156295505&usg=__bafKFuUgaSYieHpnThHVUTwgbsE=&h=375&w=500&sz=121&hl=en&start=3&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=k80lBHK3JK_hwM:&tbnh=98&tbnw=130&prev=/images%3Fq%3DRap%2BPages%2BNWA%2Bfamily%2Btree%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26tbs%3Disch:1
The song obviously resonated with a lot of people. It became hugely successful without the benefit of radio or video support. On the lyrical side, I can't say anyone on the track exhibited the lyrical skill that some rappers are capable of today But rap like any art form is constantly evolving. And those rappers were a product of their time. The song is what it is- a straight forward story track. And regardless of whether or not there were a couple of other rappers making music like this, no one at the time did it with the degree of success that N.W.A. did.
rapsodie is known to be very stubborn
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you're missing the point. 2Pac and Biggie get more love than Eazy because of their talent. Clearly Eazy E gave gangsta rap a unique image. Problem is that when it comes down to it, an image was all he was.
I'm gonna disagree. Talent has little to do with it. I won't go so far as to say it's not a factor at all but a good chunk of it is the story behind it. In addition to being two great artists, the Pac-Big drama was this compelling larger than life story. The public can romanticize a rap feud turned fatal. They can choose sides and create discussions about who was better. The press can build up whatever kind of story they want... and with both murders remaining unsolved? I mean, where else do you have a genre of music where arguably two of its biggest stars get into this explosive feud where they are both dead within a year of each other? And you have rival record labels, one of the artists being in prison after being shot however many times then coming home and boasting of fucking the other's wife. There's way more spins you can put on this story than you can with a 30-year-old rapper dying of A.I.D.S.
But there is also the fact that Ruthless hasn't done much to keep his legacy going. They put out the DVD and EP in 2002 and occasional catalog re-releases from time to time but I think they have missed the boat in terms of keeping his name going in a lot of ways.
I don't know man. I listen to an Eazy E song and I laugh at it and think "this is dope." I listen to a 2Pac or Biggie song and I think "this is classic. Now these guys had incredible talent." I don't think Eazy ever would have been considered one of the greatest rappers, regardless of the circumstance of his death or what Ruthless did to promote him. Similar to a rapper like MC Hammer, he had his hits, he had his own unique style and made an impact, but I don't consider him a "great artist", regardless of his status as a pioneer. Ice T was a pioneer as well, but no one complains that he doesn't have the status of a 2Pac. There's also a large percentage of hip hop fans who look at Eazy E as a cartoonish joke rather than a serious artist because of the comical nature of his music and how its so far from reality.
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Dear Mama is definitely one of 2Pac's most important songs. Hell, just google "best 2Pac songs" and I bet you Dear Mama will be on almost every list. I take it you don't like the song personally, but you can't deny its one of his most famous songs. Hell, its one of rap's most famous songs.
And you are missing the point about Boyz in the Hood. The fact that it wasn't the first gangsta song isn't the reason its not groundbreaking. The song Fuck the Police wasn't the first gangsta song either, yet it clearly WAS groundbreaking. It's the fact that's Boyz in the Hood is a ripoff of 6 in the Mornin. Same style, same flow, same storytelling manner.
I love the song "Dear Mama," and I don't deny that it's one of 2pac's most famous songs. I just don't find it to have much social relevance, compared to many of his other songs. Maybe I'm using too narrow of a definition of "important." I think it's a great song, but by "important" I don't mean "most popular" or "most commercially successful." I'm talking about songs where Pac really had something to say. As far as important, at least in the sense I was talking about, I would list songs like these:
Trapped
Part Time Mutha
Brenda's Got a Baby
Papa's Song
Last Wordz
Wonder Why They Call You Bitch
Letter to the President
So Many Tears
Lord Knows
It Ain't Easy
I'm not saying these are the only "important" Pac songs. Not by a long shot. He has many. These are just a few that I thought of, off the top of my head. This is just my opinion, but in terms of really having something to say, I found these songs to be some of Pac's most important.
And I agree with you that "Fuck the Police" was more groundbreaking than "Boyz in the Hood," but you used "Boyz in the Hood" in your comparison to "Dear Mama." And as far as "Boyz in the Hood" being a ripoff of "6 in the Mornin,'" that may be so. But the entire rap genre is rooted in borrowing ideas and even music from other artists. How many rap songs are there that don't sample something? I can't buy that as a reason to not include "Boyz in the Hood" as a song that has a very considerable significance to the genre.
Hmm....if you're going by social relevance, I guess I would argue that Dear Mam would have to be better than Boyz in the Hood, which has almost zero social relevance.
And on a further note on Dear Mama itself, I would consider it to have extreme social relevance. In a music genre that has been stereotyped as portraying women negatively, a song that comes out and does the complete opposite says a lot. It praises a mother without sugarcoating her and points out her flaws at the same time. It opened the doors for other rappers to be introspective about their own lives and open up on a personal level in their music. Not only that, anyone who has an overall positive relationship with their mother can relate to the song.
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Not to mention the rash of songs dedicated to mothers after dear mama
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Mother dedication songs are bomb.. I love them cuz it makes me think of and appreciate my mom more. You guys should listen to Dear Mama everyday!
If you don't find songs like that "relevant", you needa work on your family skills..
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Mother dedication songs are bomb.. I love them cuz it makes me think of and appreciate my mom more. You guys should listen to Dear Mama everyday!
If you don't find songs like that "relevant", you needa work on your family skills..
My family is fine. WTF?!? You guys are the most thin-skinned bunch of people. You'd think I dug up 2pac and desecrated the corpse or something. In every post I've made about "Dear Mama" I said I liked the song. I said it was a great song. I even said in my very first post about it that I thought it was a better song than "Boyz in the Hood," but because I personally don't find it to be as important to the history of rap music as "Boyz in the Hood, or for that matter, many of Pac's other songs, you guys are taking it personal. So now, apparently I'm a terrible person and my family is dysfunctional...this shit's ridiculous.
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I don't know man. I listen to an Eazy E song and I laugh at it and think "this is dope." I listen to a 2Pac or Biggie song and I think "this is classic. Now these guys had incredible talent." I don't think Eazy ever would have been considered one of the greatest rappers, regardless of the circumstance of his death or what Ruthless did to promote him. Similar to a rapper like MC Hammer, he had his hits, he had his own unique style and made an impact, but I don't consider him a "great artist", regardless of his status as a pioneer. Ice T was a pioneer as well, but no one complains that he doesn't have the status of a 2Pac. There's also a large percentage of hip hop fans who look at Eazy E as a cartoonish joke rather than a serious artist because of the comical nature of his music and how its so far from reality.
I don't think he ever would have gotten the Pac and Big status and he's never gonna be considered one of the greatest rappers but despite his limitations as an artist, I think Ruthless could have contributed a little further to keeping his legacy going. Ands perhaps I missed this conversation completetly but how is MC Hammer a pioneer?
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"niggas aint shit in the 90's i dont trust em, and bitches on my dick but they aint shit so muthafuck em">tupac's existance
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I don't know man. I listen to an Eazy E song and I laugh at it and think "this is dope." I listen to a 2Pac or Biggie song and I think "this is classic. Now these guys had incredible talent." I don't think Eazy ever would have been considered one of the greatest rappers, regardless of the circumstance of his death or what Ruthless did to promote him. Similar to a rapper like MC Hammer, he had his hits, he had his own unique style and made an impact, but I don't consider him a "great artist", regardless of his status as a pioneer. Ice T was a pioneer as well, but no one complains that he doesn't have the status of a 2Pac. There's also a large percentage of hip hop fans who look at Eazy E as a cartoonish joke rather than a serious artist because of the comical nature of his music and how its so far from reality.
I don't think he ever would have gotten the Pac and Big status and he's never gonna be considered one of the greatest rappers but despite his limitations as an artist, I think Ruthless could have contributed a little further to keeping his legacy going. Ands perhaps I missed this conversation completetly but how is MC Hammer a pioneer?
he put the "hop" in hip hop. He helped take hip hop to the mainstream, particular dance-oriented hip hop, and he had the first diamond hip hop album. He too had a "unique image"
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http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/ywmMO8iilaE&feature=fvst - 7000000+ views tho dam, that's power right there no matter how u wanna judge it, and that's only youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/Nd68e0cI6eA - classic for an Ice T song but it's not that good, everybody else did it better than him IMHO.
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/pBtJYgd2OXI - this and "boyz n da hood" have equally their own impact ("boyz n da hood" opened the door 4 a 2Pac to come out, plus it was that shit and "Dear Mama" gave Rap an extra positive boost in the mainstream at the time and is truely one of Hip Hop's greatest songs- same as Boyz N Da Hood {some of y'all OPINIONS aren't how everybody else looks at it}).
i think when you're trying 2 compare the 2 u r pretty much doing an Eazy E vs. 2Pac battle (and u can't considering that Pac was clearly the better rapper & had more success and attention at the time, that's like me comparing a Gucci Mane song to a Scarface song lyrically, not 2 say Eazy E and Gucci Mane are on the same level - that's just blasphemy in it'sself). But without "boyz n da hood" there probably wouldn't have a been a "dear mama" so let's not 4get that and what the song MEANT TO HIP HOP.
but don't u just love Hip Hop, we got all of the best poets and all around the best music. u can't beat it.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/ywmMO8iilaE&feature=fvst - 7000000+ views tho dam, that's power right there no matter how u wanna judge it, and that's only youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/Nd68e0cI6eA - classic for an Ice T song but it's not that good, everybody else did it better than him IMHO.
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/pBtJYgd2OXI - this and "boyz n da hood" have equally their own impact ("boyz n da hood" opened the door 4 a 2Pac to come out, plus it was that shit and "Dear Mama" gave Rap an extra positive boost in the mainstream at the time and is truely one of Hip Hop's greatest songs- same as Boyz N Da Hood {some of y'all OPINIONS aren't how everybody else looks at it}).
i think when you're trying 2 compare the 2 u r pretty much doing an Eazy E vs. 2Pac battle (and u can't considering that Pac was clearly the better rapper & had more success and attention at the time, that's like me comparing a Gucci Mane song to a Scarface song lyrically, not 2 say Eazy E and Gucci Mane are on the same level - that's just blasphemy in it'sself). But without "boyz n da hood" there probably wouldn't have a been a "dear mama" so let's not 4get that and what the song MEANT TO HIP HOP.
but don't u just love Hip Hop, we got all of the best poets and all around the best music. u can't beat it.
You're right. But there were certain people in here who wanted to turn this "Eazy Deserves More Respect" thread into an "Eazy Vs. 2pac" thread when no one, including myself, ever said that Eazy was a better rapper than 2pac. Actually, I think everyone whose posted in here has agreed that it was just the opposite. But certain people got their panties in a bunch because in my opinion "Boyz in the Hood" had more historical significance. I never said mine was the only opinion. I was respectful of other's opinions. But apparently with certain people, their's is the only opinion and if you don't agree with them 100% of the time, they get all kinds of bent out of shape over it.
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OH RALLY?
they said that shit on "The Deal" tha other week. and u know wat, that shit is too true. my nigga Eazy ain't never get tha same love Pac & Big got and never has.
He gets plenty of respect. He gets more love than Ice T WHO CAME BEFORE HIM
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OH RALLY?
they said that shit on "The Deal" tha other week. and u know wat, that shit is too true. my nigga Eazy ain't never get tha same love Pac & Big got and never has.
He gets plenty of respect. He gets more love than Ice T WHO CAME BEFORE HIM
That has more to do with giving respect to another person who is also deceased than it does with comparing the skill level of those three individuals. I think the person who said that was trying to say that 2pac and Biggie are regarded as legends, but Eazy who has also passed on deserves to be remembered for his contributions too. I don't think anyone originally intended to turn this into an Eazy-E/2pac pissing contest.
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OH RALLY?
they said that shit on "The Deal" tha other week. and u know wat, that shit is too true. my nigga Eazy ain't never get tha same love Pac & Big got and never has.
He gets plenty of respect. He gets more love than Ice T WHO CAME BEFORE HIM
That has more to do with giving respect to another person who is also deceased than it does with comparing the skill level of those three individuals. I think the person who said that was trying to say that 2pac and Biggie are regarded as legends, but Eazy who has also passed on deserves to be remembered for his contributions too. I don't think anyone originally intended to turn this into an Eazy-E/2pac pissing contest.
and I said 2Pac and Biggie are regarded higher BECAUSE THEY HAD MORE TALENT AND PUT OUT BETTER MUSIC. There's your answer. No one will argue with you that Eazy E was a pioneer. I don't know what more you expect.
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in my easy will always be that nigga and the godfather of this shit, his mind was so advanced as a business man,he layed the blueprint for all these ceo's, and he signed all types of artist he was a networth one no doubt yell
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OH RALLY?
they said that shit on "The Deal" tha other week. and u know wat, that shit is too true. my nigga Eazy ain't never get tha same love Pac & Big got and never has.
He gets plenty of respect. He gets more love than Ice T WHO CAME BEFORE HIM
That has more to do with giving respect to another person who is also deceased than it does with comparing the skill level of those three individuals. I think the person who said that was trying to say that 2pac and Biggie are regarded as legends, but Eazy who has also passed on deserves to be remembered for his contributions too. I don't think anyone originally intended to turn this into an Eazy-E/2pac pissing contest.
and I said 2Pac and Biggie are regarded higher BECAUSE THEY HAD MORE TALENT AND PUT OUT BETTER MUSIC. There's your answer. No one will argue with you that Eazy E was a pioneer. I don't know what more you expect.
but whole time u were pretty much shittin on Eazy and trying to minimalize his contributions and what he's done and pioneered. don't start actin' like u were wit it tha whole time now after u've showed ur true colors and everybody deaded ur intentions. u b fakin like shyt
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OH RALLY?
they said that shit on "The Deal" tha other week. and u know wat, that shit is too true. my nigga Eazy ain't never get tha same love Pac & Big got and never has.
He gets plenty of respect. He gets more love than Ice T WHO CAME BEFORE HIM
That has more to do with giving respect to another person who is also deceased than it does with comparing the skill level of those three individuals. I think the person who said that was trying to say that 2pac and Biggie are regarded as legends, but Eazy who has also passed on deserves to be remembered for his contributions too. I don't think anyone originally intended to turn this into an Eazy-E/2pac pissing contest.
and I said 2Pac and Biggie are regarded higher BECAUSE THEY HAD MORE TALENT AND PUT OUT BETTER MUSIC. There's your answer. No one will argue with you that Eazy E was a pioneer. I don't know what more you expect.
but whole time u were pretty much shittin on Eazy and trying to minimalize his contributions and what he's done and pioneered. don't start actin' like u were wit it tha whole time now after u've showed ur true colors and everybody deaded ur intentions. u b fakin like shyt
you learn to read? My first post on this thread said Eazy E was a pioneer. I don't know why you can't just admit that Eazy E wasn't talented as a musical artist. He was talented as a businessman and bringing a cartoonish gangsta image to hip hop.
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^^bcuz i'm not that picky about artists (and neither are most people). i/you either like em or not, i dont try 2 over judge an artist based on what some perception Nas had about lyrics a couple years ago. and i don't take the time out every single time to point out if an artist doesn't have super lyrical content or not (that doesn't always matter, it's about having power in your words and not based off of some1 elses techniec to approach it). y did u even come in here anyways with that lyrical shit, no1 was even talking about it, this topic was about giving a man his proper due, not trying to shit on his name or pick apart what u liked or didn't like about him. u just sat here 4 tha past week or two trying to minimize the impact of Eazy E and wasn't nobody really feelin' wat u were saying or the type of scheme u were trying 2 pull so u just hopped on dick so u could save face. thou who protest too much is guilty. tryna shut me up ain't gonna do shit 4 u.
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^^bcuz i'm not that picky about artists (and neither are most people). i/you either like em or not, i dont try 2 over judge an artist based on what some perception Nas had about lyrics a couple years ago. and i don't take the time out every single time to point out if an artist doesn't have super lyrical content or not (that doesn't always matter, it's about having power in your words and not based off of some1 elses techniec to approach it). y did u even come in here anyways with that lyrical shit, no1 was even talking about it, this topic was about giving a man his proper due, not trying to shit on his name or pick apart what u liked or didn't like about him. u just sat here 4 tha past week or two trying to minimize the impact of Eazy E and wasn't nobody really feelin' wat u were saying or the type of scheme u were trying 2 pull so u just hopped on dick so u could save face. thou who protest too much is guilty. tryna shut me up ain't gonna do shit 4 u.
Oh its just you radiotube. Leave the discussion to the big boys. I was probably bumping Eazy Duz It while you were still in diapers. I bet you hadn't even heard the album until last year when you came to this forum
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Mother dedication songs are bomb.. I love them cuz it makes me think of and appreciate my mom more. You guys should listen to Dear Mama everyday!
If you don't find songs like that "relevant", you needa work on your family skills..
i think that if you need a song to appreciate your mother YOU really need help :D
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see you proved me so right with your igorance of how you think. . kool herc is the only godfather of hip hop . eazy-e was known as godfather gangsta rap & nothing more. eveything you say is bullshit opinion & not a fact at alll .so your thinking comes off like igonorant new schoooler & that is why you get treated they way you do by me/ sorry but you are so wrong about too short or 2 live crew not having as much influence as eazy e. see you are overratting eazy when you say that . too short & 2 live had the same amount of influence as EAZY e & that is fact.alsostoo short madxe cuss word famous not eazy e at all .so get shit striaght becuse you are the one wrong . i have been listening & living hip ho since 1982 . so that means i know more then you & seen it up close compared to you . ice t's music never sounded like house music with rap and cusswords. this jsut proves you are full of shit . ice t was original gansta rap style & west coast sound.also i never called you my son ,stupid ass . sorry but i do know you by what you write & it shows you don't know anything at all. that is fact you are going to have deal with . only stupid ignorant new schooler who only listen to main stream would write what you write . so save it ,youngster. eazy-e's music was never him anyways who was behind any of it .
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no i'm sorry, your wrong about all of that shit. i'm just gonna leave it at my nigga Eazy was at the White House (so who had the bigger influence) and Ice T's music did sound like some funky ass ghetto techno i dont care wat u say, it was Hip Hop but definitely TOO house influenced. http://www.amazon.com/Rhyme-Pays-Ice-T/dp/B000002LC6/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1272985905&sr=8-8
*EDIT: and let's not forget that BOTH of those albums (Rhyme Pays & Eazy Duz It) were both recorded and released around the same time in 1986 and 1987 so don't go jumpin' ahead of urself tryin' 2 make me look dumb. i'm not a target. And yeah right now i just googled this but Schoolly D came out in 86' nigga, around the same time as them also. I think $hort came out in like 83' with his first tape and it wasn't even soundin' like tha shit he started makin' after Freaky Tales if i'm not mistaken and if I am it still doesn't make me wrong about Eazy. $hort didn't even really get poppin' poppin' til the late 80's.
see you prove me right because you don't know that facts . i go by facts not opinions like you . so what if eazy e went to white house that don't make you godfather of hip hop at all & also does not mean eazy had bigger influence. to be godfather of hip hop, you have to been the one who started hip hop & there is only one man that did that . that is KOOL Herc!. without kool herc there would be no hip hop or eazy e at all . Rhyme Pays & Eazy Duz It were not made at same time at all. get your facts straight . ice t's rhyme pays was made in 1986 & released in 1987 . while eazy-e's eazy duz it was made in 1988 & release in 1988 . so you are wrong again as normal . yes ,schooly was out 86 . 2 years before eazy came out & 1 year before ice t came out . ice t & dr dre both have said schooly d started gansta rap & you don't know better then them at all. go watch chronic relit DVD & you will be told . i am not at all jumpin'ahead of myself,tryin' 2 make you look dumb . you are do that to yourself not me . too short first big label album was born to mack & it came out in 1987 before eazy e's first album. yes one year does matter alot & means eazy e did not start shit at all . instead eazy e jumped on bandwagoon called gansta rao $hort didn't even really get poppin' poppin' til the late 80's? so what eazy did not getting poping to late 80's too . so what . too short made the word bitch famous before eazy had album out.so your arewrong about eazy-e . sorry to hurt you feeling but your are 100% wrong & don't know the facts at alll. by that is shows your age & it means that you are not old enought to even know what your are talking about at all. stop overratting eazy-e . so face the facts you are wrong .
i stopped reading it after u mentioned Kool Herc (and then skimmed thru it) bcuz I knew what excuses u were gonna use and how u were automatically gonna shoot down everything i say bcuz YOUR truth is ultimately the only thing YOU KNOW and SEEN and u probably didn't even read all of my shit or even think about for the slightest second where i'm coming from. But get tha fuck outta tha 70's son. Yeah, Kool Herc is the FATHER (not Godfather, do u really know what that term means) and he did his thing. But FACT is, Kool Herc was pretty much irrelevant after once he got on. Yeah i havent actually really checked 4 this nigga but I'm sure I would've if he woulda actually made some noise. He looped a beat and everybody caught on. Okay, u did it first but what about everybody after you? You can't give Herc ALL of the credit.
but as far as $hort goes, him and Eazy had TWO TOTALLY DIFFERENT STYLES, so ur arguement is redundant to tha FACT. If Eazy E was the "Godfather of Gangsta Rap" (for the record I pre-ordered that album so I already knew what he was labeled) then he is the Godfather of ALL of the Rap music that came after him. "Gangsta Rap" is not a legitimate title for me, i feel the same way NWA felt back in the day, it's reality Rap, and ever since NWA (and Eazy E, as the LEADER of course) RAP MUSIC has went in that direction ever since. So that term is obsolete. Everybody from from KRS to J. Cole has rapped about a gun or two since then and that's the way it's always gonna be, no matter what the trend is.
u know just this morning some old guy at Pep Boys tried to give me this "youngster" talk (about the usual; saggy pants and all of that) and I could tell I captavated his mind once I asked him to define "black" for me. and he kept going on and on about what's wrong with the youth (u know, the usual blah blah blah that's been goin' on since the 80's). it's me and him and only 1 other person in the store to catch that "early bird special" and next thing u know he's behind me and some other Rep comes up and asks who's next, next thing u know he just jumps up in line and takes my spot (whole time the other guy who was pretty much on my side, older guy with some gray hair is already in line). so anyways, he's still preaching and assumes that he's got my full attention and mind (whole time i'm just like whatever, u probably r only doing this bcuz of some probation thing u probably got goin on), so then I said, "well u just got in front of me in line and ur preaching to me about what's wrong with the youth today, so ur actions just made ur teachings hypocritical to what u believe and next thing u know he was trying to change the subject but i just pretty much turnt the other cheek. shit, back in the 60's and 70's Black Father's were abandoning their children at the highest rates (which is where the problem started, besides White America).
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So with saying that, don't give me this youngster u dont know shit talk. My Facts (which u call opinions) are based upon the results and NOT MY PERSONAL PREFERENCE. Shit, somebody probably back in the 60's and 70's (and probably before) was cursing and rapping at tha same time about smackin' women and drinking beer (u know bcuz back then it was more socially accepted to abuse women). I know what I'm talking about bcuz it's people like u who keep throwing up THE PAST in my face everytime the subject is brought up (and shit, most of the time y'all bring it up - like in my example). Y'all just dont UNDERSTAND THE FACT that we don't share the same views and opinions y'all do, in turn that makes OUR (the younger) FACTS less factual. Yeah, Schoolly D might've been the 1st to actually drop a tape with a whole buncha cussin and gangsta shit but it was Ice Cube and most of all Eazy E who made it what it was and what it is today. Not everytime ur the first to set a public example doesn't mean ur the inventor of it. Wale was the FIRST to use GoGo influenced productions but some1 is gonna come in and turn it in2 something else, in turn making it something COMPLETELY BRAND NEW and PIONEERING it. Shit, I was the first person I've ever seen post youtube links for songs in posts and forums and next thing u know the Rap game changed a little bit and I started noticing people posting links to songs in their replies. But I can't claim anything but tha fact that I saw/did it first (from all of the major web surfing i was doing back then, not once did i ever see it and i've been to ALOTTA sites and seen alotta shit i should'nt have seen and alot of shit i should've seen decades ago but anyways). It's the people that/that'r gonna make it what it is and what it will be (Godfathering it so to say, making it n2 something else), all I did was (i feel) was spark some1's brain and give people an idea/a new light to brighten and make shine. *4 the record u youtube muthafuckaz owe me some serious money for that lol* You'll never see me claiming anything, which is why u dont c Schoolly D and Ice T claiming shit (even though Dre and them give them all of the props). It's not bcuz they're the OG's and they wanna play that role, it's bcuz they have to. just bcuz it was similar doesn't mean it was something they created entirly, front to back-inside out. And what about Cube and the CIA, they were makin moves back in 85/86 around the same time Schoolly D first came out. Larry Davis was another cat too around that time doing it too and i'm pretty sure he probably never even heard of Schoolly D, that doesn't make him the pioneer of it. I think Larry started that shit in 84' anyways... just food for thought.
Hutch, Dre, Yella, and Quik pioneered that WestCoast sound (fact). The WestCoast sound was the beginning to a brand new ELEMENT added to Hip Hop to create what beats r today. By having funky loops and more than just a DRUM LOOP and a HIT, they created MUSIC backdrop for Hip Hop. Now Hip Hop has more than just Drum Loops and James Brown samples. Of course there was production with (maybe) more than just a drum loop and a single sound but (Hutch mainly) made it in2 something more with producing beats. And it was others after him who took the sound further. So to say that Kool Herc is the Godfather isn't completely accurate (Bcuz Hip Hop for the past 25/30 years has sounded pretty much nothing like what he did, especially once P.E. got on. If it wasn't for Eazy E, Hip Hop wouldn't be the same it is today, instrumentally and lyrically (say what u want but Eazy opened alotta doors for niggas in the trap but u dont even realize it).
There's more way to many pioneers in Hip Hop to just give all of the OLD RAPPERS AND PRODUCERS ALL OF THE CREDIT. Bcuz most of that shit they did back then *in the 70's/80's hasn't even been used since then, productionwise and lyrically.
There's way too much more to say but this is enuff 4 now. Bottom line is Eazy E made alotta shit happen for the game and it goes by just that unnoticed. Do YOUR history nigga and stop tryna son me. Anybody who makes it to tha White House (especially in the Reagan/Bush Sr. years) after ONE SOLO ALBUM and ONE GROUP ALBUM has a bigger impact and influence than anybody that came before and after him. Yeah Cube wrote most of his shit when he first started and yeah he wasn't the best rapper but that's not what we're talking about. We're talking about pioneering and who did it first, and Eazy E was the first to get on and make the game what it is today no matter what u KNOW or Dont Know about him and whatchu wanna give him props for. Eazy E was that nigga and everybody wanted to be Eazy or someone from NWA at one point, especially the white kids. Just bcuz maybe u and ur niggas didn't c it that way doesn't mean it wasn't what happened. Him and them are the Greatest examples of Hip Hop pioneers, if it wasn't for them niggas woulda been kept on dancing and partying on records and (Which is funny considering all of the attention and hate those type of rappers get today). They gave Hip Hop that RAW RAW HUMAN'S ARE ANIMALS TOO SOUL MUSIC that we always hear and that's something KRS One and P.e. didn't do and that's something Herc didn't do either. Everybody was so happy (even Ice T went for a smoother approach to it). Thank god for Eazy E and selling that crack rock and powder, if it wasn't for him Hip Hop would NEVER be where it's at, accept it or not. Your reality isn't everybody's reality (and neither is mines but I know who came out and who did what and where they got with it).
"Boyz N Da Hood" (written by Ice Cube and rapped and served to the public by Eazy E) has become the soundtrack to damn near every rap record recorded since then (even if they're lying). If it wasn't for that then we would've got another 10-20 years of staight up "your headed for self destruction" songs. Herc might've gave Hip Hop it's bones, but Eazy E and them gave it it's voice (the side of Hip Hop that stands out the most and is most used) and Hutch and Dre and them gave it it's sound. You can't deny Eazy E and his impact, it just goes by so unnoticed and so un talked about and under appreciated that it's harder to credit the guy for actually being the voice voice of Hip Hop, a loud, wild, angry muthafuckin' nigga, and that's really all Hip Hop is, abuncha loud wild angry muthafuckin niggas.
that can't be excuse when they are fact . ss stop being idiot ass eazy e stan. i read everything you said & i did think about what oyu said for the slightest second where you are coming from & you are wrong . you just don't like hearing that at all.i don't have to get out of the 70's because that is when hip hop started . please kool herk is still relevant because he is the true godfather of hip hop & that is what they call him in new york . so deal with that fact ,idiot. just cause eazy e is known as godfather rap of gangsta does not make him godfather of rap because gangsta rap is only one form of hip hop & that means eazy is only the godfather gangst rap & can not be nothing else . because they all eazy was gangsta rap not hip hop . what you don't know is the boogie down production , ice t & kool g rap were reality Rap before eazy or NWA ever was around . so save that crap for someone who is as stupid as you. so save it ,youngster. eazy-e's music was never him anyways who was behind any of it . eazy did not cause music to go in different direction at all. youth has to move over for the old school all the time because old school earned unlike the youth who has not earned shit. because he is older he had the right to get in front of you . don't use that back in the 60's and 70's Black Father's were abandoning their children at the highest rates crap at all.. it will not help you & you are the one who just changed subject & just made me more right about you . thatShit, somebody probably back in the 60's and 70's (and probably before) was cursing and rapping at tha same time about smackin' women and drinking beer (u know bcuz back then it was more socially accepted to abuse women)crapat all . it does not work .just cause people keep trowing the past in you face does not mean you know what oyu are talking about at all . instead it means you are not listen & you are wrong . if keeps getting done to oyu then it means you are wrong & you just too stupid to notice it. wake up you ignorant ass. that youtube example is just bullshit & not even the same thing as schooly d inventing gangst rap .you did not invent youtube but schooly d invented gagnst rap . the first west coast rgangsta rap song the made gangsta rap famous was 6 n moring by ice t not boyz n hood by eazy e. i see icet & schooly d claiming they stated gangsta rap all the time, ice t even said schooly d did it first then he did it . they know better then you .Larry Davis has even said schooly d started it .Rhyme Pays & Eazy Duz It were not made at same time at all. get your facts straight . ice t's rhyme pays was made in 1986 & released in 1987 . while eazy-e's eazy duz it was made in 1988 & release in 1988 . so you are wrong again as normal . yes ,schooly was out 86 . 2 years before eazy came out & 1 year before ice t came out . ice t & dr dre both have said schooly d started gansta rap & you don't know better then them at all. go watch chronic relit DVD & you will be told . i am not at all jumpin'ahead of myself,tryin' 2 make you look dumb . you are do that to yourself not me . too short first big label album was born to mack & it came out in 1987 before eazy e's first album. yes one year does matter alot & means eazy e did not start shit at all . instead eazy e jumped on bandwagoon called gansta rao $hort didn't even really get poppin' poppin' til the late 80's? so what eazy did not getting poping to late 80's too . so what . too short made the word bitch famous before eazy had album out.so your arewrong about eazy-e . sorry to hurt you feeling but your are 100% wrong & don't know the facts at alll. by that is shows your age & it means that you are not old enought to even know what your are talking about at all. stop overratting eazy-e . so face the facts you are wrong .
al Hip Hop isnot abuncha loud wild angry muthafuckin niggas . hip hop started out as dance music dipshit .so you just lost big time & made to look like the closeminde ignorant youngster yo uare . you just made me 100% right . so you can nothing about it because this is not about views and opinions but facts youy don't want to face becausei t makes you 10)% wrong,bitch. facts are facts & you can change that . so deal with the truth i am telling you stupid ass stan because are wrong
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^^bcuz i'm not that picky about artists (and neither are most people). i/you either like em or not, i dont try 2 over judge an artist based on what some perception Nas had about lyrics a couple years ago. and i don't take the time out every single time to point out if an artist doesn't have super lyrical content or not (that doesn't always matter, it's about having power in your words and not based off of some1 elses techniec to approach it). y did u even come in here anyways with that lyrical shit, no1 was even talking about it, this topic was about giving a man his proper due, not trying to shit on his name or pick apart what u liked or didn't like about him. u just sat here 4 tha past week or two trying to minimize the impact of Eazy E and wasn't nobody really feelin' wat u were saying or the type of scheme u were trying 2 pull so u just hopped on dick so u could save face. thou who protest too much is guilty. tryna shut me up ain't gonna do shit 4 u.
Amen. That's what I've been trying to say. Of course lyrics are important. But people tend to overlook the overall composition of the song. That is just as important. You could have the best lyrics in the world, but if the overall song isn't good, it doesn't matter. If people judged rap music soley on the artists' ability to write rhymes, then no one would like Dr. Dre. And we all know that isn't true, so obviously people are paying attention to other things besides just lyrics and whether or not an artist writes for themselves.
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Yeah but their has to be a point where lyrics matter.it can be club music and not horribly stupid a la gucci mane.
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i have haters on here, it's amazing lol
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Yeah but their has to be a point where lyrics matter.it can be club music and not horribly stupid a la gucci mane.
Oh, I agree. Lyrics matter a great deal. To me you can't have a completely good song without good lyrics and good production. But my point is even though Eazy didn't write a lot of his rhymes, he still had good lyrics written for him by D.O.C. and Ice Cube. To me, that's why his songs were still good. The production for his songs was usually on point and when he didn't write his own lyrics, he had good ghost writers.
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Eazy E did not have productive or intelligent lyrics.
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Eazy E did not have productive or intelligent lyrics.
I don't think Eazy ever intended to be a social reformer. I think sometimes his and N.W.A.s songs unintentionally achieved that end. But really, why does everything have to be productive or intelligent? Why not sometimes just entertaining?
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Eazy E did not have productive or intelligent lyrics.
I don't think Eazy ever intended to be a social reformer. I think sometimes his and N.W.A.s songs unintentionally achieved that end. But really, why does everything have to be productive or intelligent? Why not sometimes just entertaining?
i think he was being sarcastic lol!
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Eazy E did not have productive or intelligent lyrics.
I don't think Eazy ever intended to be a social reformer. I think sometimes his and N.W.A.s songs unintentionally achieved that end. But really, why does everything have to be productive or intelligent? Why not sometimes just entertaining?
i think he was being sarcastic lol!
My bad, then. I think there's been so many different points of view presented in this thread, that now even I'm having trouble keeping all of them straight.
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No, I wasn't being sarcastic. Like you said, sometimes it can just be entertaining. Lets face it though, he was only entertaining to a certain extent. No outstanding lyrics, decent beats, mostly just talking about killing and gangsta shit. Sure, it might be fun for a while, but how much respect and recognition does one deserve for only fulfilling one lane and not even in a profound way?
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No, I wasn't being sarcastic. Like you said, sometimes it can just be entertaining. Lets face it though, he was only entertaining to a certain extent. No outstanding lyrics, decent beats, mostly just talking about killing and gangsta shit. Sure, it might be fun for a while, but how much respect and recognition does one deserve for only fulfilling one lane and not even in a profound way?
Well, on the lyric side I agree with you. It wasn't anything earth shattering. Although, I have to say the kind of stuff he was rapping about is taken for granted now because so many people make that kind of music. But back in the 1980s, there really weren't too many people rapping about the kind of stuff that Eazy-E and N.W.A. were rapping about. No, they weren't the first ones to do it, but I wouldn't say it was the norm at all, either.
Beat wise, I'll admit that "Eazy-Duz-It" souds pretty dated now. But I think for the time, the beats were good. That was a young Dr. Dre. Rap, like all music is a constantly evolving art. I think Dre's sound has evolved with the times. In that respect, while I think Dre's new stuff sounds much better than his old stuff, I try to keep things in an historical context. Dre wasn't at the top of his game when "Eazy-Duz-It" was released, but also people's taste in music has changed a lot, over the years.
In trying to keep things in perspective, let me try to explain my point a little better. When I say Eazy-E deserves his due credit, I'm not trying to say he was the sole contributor to rap or even gansta rap. Or that he was even the greatest contributor. What I mean is, his and N.W.A.'s music was an important step to where rap music is now. It wasn't the only step. There were many other important steps, and many contributors. But it was one of them.
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No, I wasn't being sarcastic. Like you said, sometimes it can just be entertaining. Lets face it though, he was only entertaining to a certain extent. No outstanding lyrics, decent beats, mostly just talking about killing and gangsta shit. Sure, it might be fun for a while, but how much respect and recognition does one deserve for only fulfilling one lane and not even in a profound way?
Well, on the lyric side I agree with you. It wasn't anything earth shattering. Although, I have to say the kind of stuff he was rapping about is taken for granted now because so many people make that kind of music. But back in the 1980s, there really weren't too many people rapping about the kind of stuff that Eazy-E and N.W.A. were rapping about. No, they weren't the first ones to do it, but I wouldn't say it was the norm at all, either.
Beat wise, I'll admit that "Eazy-Duz-It" souds pretty dated now. But I think for the time, the beats were good. That was a young Dr. Dre. Rap, like all music is a constantly evolving art. I think Dre's sound has evolved with the times. In that respect, while I think Dre's new stuff sounds much better than his old stuff, I try to keep things in an historical context. Dre wasn't at the top of his game when "Eazy-Duz-It" was released, but also people's taste in music has changed a lot, over the years.
In trying to keep things in perspective, let me try to explain my point a little better. When I say Eazy-E deserves his due credit, I'm not trying to say he was the sole contributor to rap or even gansta rap. Or that he was even the greatest contributor. What I mean is, his and N.W.A.'s music was an important step to where rap music is now. It wasn't the only step. There were many other important steps, and many contributors. But it was one of them.
dont try 2 play it off homie. u r right. Eazy E was tha 1st muthafucka to jump out there 2 tha masses like then (then followed up by Cube of course, but that was a year or alittle later). Eazy E did his thing. I think the notion about his lyrics has overshadowed the point. U can't praise praise Eazy 4 his lyrics like u could with Pac or whoever (Jay for another example) but what he did changed the game. It don't matter if he was a lyricist like a Ghostface Killah or not.
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No, I wasn't being sarcastic. Like you said, sometimes it can just be entertaining. Lets face it though, he was only entertaining to a certain extent. No outstanding lyrics, decent beats, mostly just talking about killing and gangsta shit. Sure, it might be fun for a while, but how much respect and recognition does one deserve for only fulfilling one lane and not even in a profound way?
Well, on the lyric side I agree with you. It wasn't anything earth shattering. Although, I have to say the kind of stuff he was rapping about is taken for granted now because so many people make that kind of music. But back in the 1980s, there really weren't too many people rapping about the kind of stuff that Eazy-E and N.W.A. were rapping about. No, they weren't the first ones to do it, but I wouldn't say it was the norm at all, either.
Beat wise, I'll admit that "Eazy-Duz-It" souds pretty dated now. But I think for the time, the beats were good. That was a young Dr. Dre. Rap, like all music is a constantly evolving art. I think Dre's sound has evolved with the times. In that respect, while I think Dre's new stuff sounds much better than his old stuff, I try to keep things in an historical context. Dre wasn't at the top of his game when "Eazy-Duz-It" was released, but also people's taste in music has changed a lot, over the years.
In trying to keep things in perspective, let me try to explain my point a little better. When I say Eazy-E deserves his due credit, I'm not trying to say he was the sole contributor to rap or even gansta rap. Or that he was even the greatest contributor. What I mean is, his and N.W.A.'s music was an important step to where rap music is now. It wasn't the only step. There were many other important steps, and many contributors. But it was one of them.
dont try 2 play it off homie. u r right. Eazy E was tha 1st muthafucka to jump out there 2 tha masses like then (then followed up by Cube of course, but that was a year or alittle later). Eazy E did his thing. I think the notion about his lyrics has overshadowed the point. U can't praise praise Eazy 4 his lyrics like u could with Pac or whoever (Jay for another example) but what he did changed the game. It don't matter if he was a lyricist like a Ghostface Killah or not.
Completely agree.
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No, I wasn't being sarcastic. Like you said, sometimes it can just be entertaining. Lets face it though, he was only entertaining to a certain extent. No outstanding lyrics, decent beats, mostly just talking about killing and gangsta shit. Sure, it might be fun for a while, but how much respect and recognition does one deserve for only fulfilling one lane and not even in a profound way?
Well, on the lyric side I agree with you. It wasn't anything earth shattering. Although, I have to say the kind of stuff he was rapping about is taken for granted now because so many people make that kind of music. But back in the 1980s, there really weren't too many people rapping about the kind of stuff that Eazy-E and N.W.A. were rapping about. No, they weren't the first ones to do it, but I wouldn't say it was the norm at all, either.
Beat wise, I'll admit that "Eazy-Duz-It" souds pretty dated now. But I think for the time, the beats were good. That was a young Dr. Dre. Rap, like all music is a constantly evolving art. I think Dre's sound has evolved with the times. In that respect, while I think Dre's new stuff sounds much better than his old stuff, I try to keep things in an historical context. Dre wasn't at the top of his game when "Eazy-Duz-It" was released, but also people's taste in music has changed a lot, over the years.
In trying to keep things in perspective, let me try to explain my point a little better. When I say Eazy-E deserves his due credit, I'm not trying to say he was the sole contributor to rap or even gansta rap. Or that he was even the greatest contributor. What I mean is, his and N.W.A.'s music was an important step to where rap music is now. It wasn't the only step. There were many other important steps, and many contributors. But it was one of them.
No one disagrees with that point. He gets plenty of credit as a pioneer. End thread?
The OP asked why he didn't get as much love as 2Pac and Biggie, and I think we've established that its because of his lack of skill and content. MC Hammer was a pioneer as well, but no one seems to complain that he isn't considered one of the greats.
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No, I wasn't being sarcastic. Like you said, sometimes it can just be entertaining. Lets face it though, he was only entertaining to a certain extent. No outstanding lyrics, decent beats, mostly just talking about killing and gangsta shit. Sure, it might be fun for a while, but how much respect and recognition does one deserve for only fulfilling one lane and not even in a profound way?
Well, on the lyric side I agree with you. It wasn't anything earth shattering. Although, I have to say the kind of stuff he was rapping about is taken for granted now because so many people make that kind of music. But back in the 1980s, there really weren't too many people rapping about the kind of stuff that Eazy-E and N.W.A. were rapping about. No, they weren't the first ones to do it, but I wouldn't say it was the norm at all, either.
Beat wise, I'll admit that "Eazy-Duz-It" souds pretty dated now. But I think for the time, the beats were good. That was a young Dr. Dre. Rap, like all music is a constantly evolving art. I think Dre's sound has evolved with the times. In that respect, while I think Dre's new stuff sounds much better than his old stuff, I try to keep things in an historical context. Dre wasn't at the top of his game when "Eazy-Duz-It" was released, but also people's taste in music has changed a lot, over the years.
In trying to keep things in perspective, let me try to explain my point a little better. When I say Eazy-E deserves his due credit, I'm not trying to say he was the sole contributor to rap or even gansta rap. Or that he was even the greatest contributor. What I mean is, his and N.W.A.'s music was an important step to where rap music is now. It wasn't the only step. There were many other important steps, and many contributors. But it was one of them.
No one disagrees with that point. He gets plenty of credit as a pioneer. End thread?
The OP asked why he didn't get as much love as 2Pac and Biggie, and I think we've established that its because of his lack of skill and content. MC Hammer was a pioneer as well, but no one seems to complain that he isn't considered one of the greats.
Technically, the original point stated that Eazy didn't get as much "luv" as 2pac and Biggie. It never actually asked a question. And I still (as I always have) agree with your point that Eazy didn't have the technical skill at lyrics that 2pac and Biggie had. But I don't know for a fact that that's why he doesn't get the same recognition. And as far as MC Hammer, I would agree that he probably is under-appreciated. But he's also still alive. Unfortunately, people often tend to not appreciate what they have until it's gone.
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did u really have to still go on about this? and no i didn't say "how come Eazy E doesn't get as much love as pac or biggie" those two were just examples (another example of rapsodie not being able to comprehend shit). and JL man u don't have 2 agree anymore lol it's okay homie,
we (I) get u. jay just thinx it's cool 2 keep rummaging on about tha nonsense and trying to take every attempt to make me look bad (which his attempts are very poor and pathetik everytime). You can't even compare 2Pac to Biggie Smalls really (well i guess u can, but in a way u can't considering Pac had a bigger body of work and was a more diverse artist). This thread has taken a tole on rasodie's mind so bad now, it's time 2 give tha little fella a rest now he's hurting.
we went from boyzndahood vs. six in tha mornin 2 comparing 2pac to Eazy to eazy e's lyrical approach to a whole rack-a uh shit; and gentlemen that shit didn't have anything 2 do with what I was talkin about. i give rasodie and a few others their props 4 always coming in2 my threads and trying 2 turn it in2 a circus and have everybody disagree with me or just rock a different way, they're persistant i'll give em that but this time shit just got way outta hand. i didn't even bother 2 read any of midwestryder's shit. that nigga went too emo on me about shit and tried 2 give me a history lesson n shit LMAO! fail. that nigga need 2 learn 2 speak clearly of his thoughts instead of writing manuals n shit. lol. bottom line is my nigga Eazy E needs this amount of attention this thread got from us in the media and books... that's it. yell lol!
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He he died doing some shit that he talked about in his songs, then he woulda got way more respect. Instead, he got AIDS and died of a cold.
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He he died doing some shit that he talked about in his songs, then he woulda got way more respect. Instead, he got AIDS and died of a cold.
"Gimmie That Nut"
"Automobile"
"Find 'Em Fuck 'Em and Flee"
"Lickin' Suckin' Fuckin'"
"Hit the Hooker"
He did die from shit he talked about doing in his songs.
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Besides PIMP-C. He would be the first dead rapper I would bring back if I could. Any and every old school hip hop/rap fan knows what Eazy-E was too us. Fuck you new school hip hop fans as well as the new artists.....
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No one denies he's a pioneer. I still don't understand what respect he doesn't get.
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No one denies he's a pioneer. I still don't understand what respect he doesn't get.
I can't speak for anyone else, but my reason for thinking he doesn't get enough respect is that he's hardly ever mentioned by people any more. It just seems like people have forgotten about him. I'm not expecting him to get his own postage stamp or have a holiday named after him, but once in a while someone other than Bone Thugs could give him a mention. As a fan, it would have been nice if Ruthless had put a little more effort into his posthumous releases as well. I realize he didn't have nearly the volume of unreleased work that 2pac or even Biggie had, but they could have done a little better than they did on that "Godfather of Gangsta Rap" e.p. I didn't think it was terrible, but it could have been a lot better.
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No one denies he's a pioneer. I still don't understand what respect he doesn't get.
I can't speak for anyone else, but my reason for thinking he doesn't get enough respect is that he's hardly ever mentioned by people any more. It just seems like people have forgotten about him. I'm not expecting him to get his own postage stamp or have a holiday named after him, but once in a while someone other than Bone Thugs could give him a mention. As a fan, it would have been nice if Ruthless had put a little more effort into his posthumous releases as well. I realize he didn't have nearly the volume of unreleased work that 2pac or even Biggie had, but they could have done a little better than they did on that "Godfather of Gangsta Rap" e.p. I didn't think it was terrible, but it could have been a lot better.
It's to be expected considering he died over 15 years ago. Lol @ you expecting him to still be relevant.
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He he died doing some shit that he talked about in his songs, then he woulda got way more respect. Instead, he got AIDS and died of a cold.
"Gimmie That Nut"
"Automobile"
"Find 'Em Fuck 'Em and Flee"
"Lickin' Suckin' Fuckin'"
"Hit the Hooker"
He did die from shit he talked about doing in his songs.
Fucking didn't kill him. AIDS did.
And AIDS is not gangsta.
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"niggas aint shit in the 90's i dont trust em, and bitches on my dick but they aint shit so muthafuck em">tupac's existance
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Besides PIMP-C. He would be the first dead rapper I would bring back if I could. Any and every old school hip hop/rap fan knows what Eazy-E was too us. Fuck you new school hip hop fans as well as the new artists.....
Youd bring back a guy who didnt write his own lyrics and relied on others talent musically over peopkle like pac and big,or big l or big pun..Thats sad.Eazy is more on the level of freaky tah musicallu.
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He he died doing some shit that he talked about in his songs, then he woulda got way more respect. Instead, he got AIDS and died of a cold.
"Gimmie That Nut"
"Automobile"
"Find 'Em Fuck 'Em and Flee"
"Lickin' Suckin' Fuckin'"
"Hit the Hooker"
He did die from shit he talked about doing in his songs.
Fucking didn't kill him. AIDS did.
And AIDS is not gangsta.
My guess is he didn't get AIDS from a blood transfusion or sharing needles, so in the long run, fucking did kill him. And I'm not saying fucking or AIDS is gangsta. I think Eazy was plenty gangsta, especially compared to his peers. But I really don't see how Eazy's gangsta-ness, or lack there of, has anything to do with how much respect he does or doesn't get or how much he's remembered.
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EAZY E the godfather of gangsta rap. he put Compton on the map. the hip hop thugsta!
RIP EAZY E one of the GREATS!!!!!!!! fuck a hater!
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EAZY E the godfather of gangsta rap. he put Compton on the map. the hip hop thugsta!
RIP EAZY E one of the GREATS!!!!!!!! fuck a hater!
exactly (the two posters above). and not even bcuz we're on the same page, it's the damn truth.