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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: BiggBoogaBiff on May 03, 2010, 02:07:36 PM
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i know WS2 dropped a little bit ago but son been mad silent. where tha fuck u at cuz.
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/H790Qkt4hOg INDEED!
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he's been no where to be found since he deaded those papers with turtle. smh
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just leak the greatest story never told
move on
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I used to have high hopes for saigon.But warning shots 2 was shockingly bad.
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I used to have high hopes for saigon.But warning shots 2 was shockingly bad.
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I used to have high hopes for saigon.But warning shots 2 was shockingly bad.
i just had high hopes...
4 fucking years ago
same with pap
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I used to have high hopes for saigon.But warning shots 2 was shockingly bad.
i just had high hopes...
4 fucking years ago
same with pap
People can say Papoose is a mixtape rapper but in that year 2007 I'm sure he leaked many of his major label debut tracks on those street tapes.
Tracks like:
ambulance
drop it son ft. busta rhymes (also known as guns of mine)
ya paranoid
He more or less gave us the recording sessions for Narcimea Dream.
plus, he might have disappeard for a minute and released one bad tape but his latest was dope. his flow was on point ... finally
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but, i know what you mean
papoose
saigon
bishop lamont
joell ortiz
thought they'd take over the game. i was really wrong
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The west and east have been very similar the last 5 years or so.Lots of potential,major deals were signed but nothing came of it.
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http://www.2dopeboyz.com/2010/04/28/saigon-derek-pike-keap-hope-interview-video/
The directer and the Yardfather talk about the video and project for The Greatest Story Never Told.
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i just had high hopes...
4 fucking years ago
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They should add his ass to Slaughtehouse.
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They should add his ass to Slaughtehouse.
YES PLEASE!!!! and take out Buddens wack ass.
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he's been no where to be found since he deaded those papers with turtle. smh
comedy
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If y'all watch that interivew he sounds like he's going to release the album and quit hip-hop.
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he's been no where to be found since he deaded those papers with turtle. smh
comedy
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They should add his ass to Slaughtehouse.
YES PLEASE!!!! and take out Buddens wack ass.
Yeah,their goingn to kick out the guy that started the group and accounts for 70 percent of their sales ::)
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They should add his ass to Slaughtehouse.
YES PLEASE!!!! and take out Buddens wack ass.
Yeah,their goingn to kick out the guy that started the group and accounts for 70 percent of their sales ::)
so your saying that:
Crooked I, Royce Da 5'9, and Joell Ortiz are all less popular than Buddens. So you mean Buddens is the only reason why Slaughterhouse popped off the way it did (after all Buddens had 2 feature them and not the other way around). And your pretty much saying the MAIN REASON why people checked/brought/downloaded the Slaughterhouse tapes was bcuz of Joe Budden. U make this nigga sound like 2Pac w/ Tha Outlawz
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Padded room sold around 35 k.The slaugtherhouse album sold around 48 k.Royces steet hop sold less then 10k.Joell and Crooked dont have big fan bases though they are well known.The whole concept of the group ws started by joey and royce.They got their buzz because they were feautured on joe buddens halfway house album.Then after that the idea of making the group album was shown tot he world through joe buddeds video on his website.Im not saying joey is like pac and the outlawz,their all equals in my books.But budden has the biggest fan base of the four by far.
And saigon hasnt been since Joey served him in the diss tracks.
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thats a tuff one....budden is dope when he goes in but damn replacin him wit sai....can sai be that dope wit 4 other dope rappers on a whole album?
They should add his ass to Slaughtehouse.
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If y'all watch that interivew he sounds like he's going to release the album and quit hip-hop.
Yup, he is creating a video for every song on the album. It will be released with the album.
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yeah real talk jay.....i feel what your sayin
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Padded room sold around 35 k.The slaugtherhouse album sold around 48 k.Royces steet hop sold less then 10k.
so now sales matter with y'all. when i mentioned it b4 all i got from u and ur 1016-bitchsquad click was sales and popularity dont matter, it wasn't what makes an artist better - that was yall beef. u guys take nothing serious and think everything is a joke. even if this is a message board how yall act is still gay. man up. u can't help but cling on 2 what i gotta say and just HAVE TO respond to everything so if u gonna do it be thoro about it and don't switch up shit 4 tha sake of whatever. u can't be a joke (or a kid, whichever u prefer) all of ur life. sometimes even if it seems dumb u still gota do tha right/proper thing, even if agreeing with me is blasphemy in ur eyes.
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What the fuck are you gogin on about?What did you forget what we were talking about and just randomly start talking about something else lol.I said budden represented a certain percentage of the sales of slaughterhouse and you questioned it and I backed up the numbers.I never said anything about skills,I said they were alll equals in my books but budden had the biggest fan base of the four.I didnt say it mattered,I didnt say it made him better.you are fucking retarded man.
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That happens a lot around here. People bring up moot defensive arguments.
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I would much rather prefer saigon the don in slaughterhouse, me personally i think hes a better lyricist then budden but thats just me 8)
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I would much rather prefer saigon the don in slaughterhouse, me personally i think hes a better lyricist then budden but thats just me 8)
it really is just "just you" lol.
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^ nah. I'd prefer to hear Saigons album over Buddens.
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^ nah. I'd prefer to hear Saigons album over Buddens.
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^ nah. I'd prefer to hear Saigons album over Buddens.
i fail to see where preference on whose album you'd rather hear comes into play when debating whose a better lyricist.
i'm sure there are eleven year olds who would prefer to hear a Soulja Boy album, but it doesn't make him a better lyricst. ;)
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Not a better lyricist but Saigon has a better all around package while Budden just has the lyrics.
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Not a better lyricist but Saigon has a better all around package while Budden just has the lyrics.
i mean, it's your opinion, brah.
i respectfully disagree. ;)
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Not a better lyricist but Saigon has a better all around package while Budden just has the lyrics.
^ this, though I'm not huge on either of them... Saigon his dope tracks I can fuck with and the same goes for Budden
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I would much rather prefer saigon the don in slaughterhouse, me personally i think hes a better lyricist then budden but thats just me 8)
it really is just "just you" lol.
Far from it.. I'd bet Sai would whoop Buddens in a poll, just like he did on wax.. and like the replies above state.
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^ nah. I'd prefer to hear Saigons album over Buddens.
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Not a better lyricist but Saigon has a better all around package while Budden just has the lyrics.
I kind of agree here...
But the thing is, they both go through phases where I see song structure and messages in their joints, then release a bunch of joints that just lack a story and aren't listenable.
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^^ True that, that latest Sai-effort was outta character.. weak mixtape.
7 in favor for Sai, 1 for Budden so far.. that "just you" comment = self-ownage. :P
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You're lost if you think Saigon won the beef. He resorted to teenage name calling while Budden schooled him on the game and reflected Saigon's true character.
Anyways, it's obvious to me Saigon isn't half the mc Budden is because he's barely in the game.
I used to like Saigon but dude lost me with all his trash talk and flexing in videos. He was running with this moral image and then burnt it down.
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LOL, alright.
i don't think there is a forum on the internet that expresses such a deep hatred for Joey.
there might even be a "ihateJoeBudden.com" & it wouldn't have shit on this website.
you guys blatantly hate & all play it off like it's "just being honest". :D
Joe Budden is clearly better lyrically, you guys can hate on his flow, production (because Lord knows production makes a rapper) & "energy" all day; but at least show that you're attempting to be open minded & admit he's got lyrics.
honestly, give me a percentage of how many of you go into a Joe Budden related thread with an open mind? has to be under 10%. :D
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wait people thought saigon won the battle?
I would much rather prefer saigon the don in slaughterhouse, me personally i think hes a better lyricist then budden but thats just me 8)
it really is just "just you" lol.
Far from it.. I'd bet Sai would whoop Buddens in a poll, just like he did on wax.. and like the replies above state.
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wait people thought saigon won the battle?
I would much rather prefer saigon the don in slaughterhouse, me personally i think hes a better lyricist then budden but thats just me 8)
it really is just "just you" lol.
Far from it.. I'd bet Sai would whoop Buddens in a poll, just like he did on wax.. and like the replies above state.
i was feeling Saigon's disses more, but Budden's were tight.
like what Action! said, Sai was just dissing him on whatever was rhyming & Joe was actually dissing him; but i was just feeling Saigon's tracks more.
but as overall rappers, Saigon has nothing on Joe Budden; how many songs does Saigon even have out? but people hating on Joe Budden is just something to expect on this forum.
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and him gettin knocked out...didnt help...lol even tho it was a sucker punch
but if your a dope-r rapper than...your a dope-r rapper....lol
wait people thought saigon won the battle?
I would much rather prefer saigon the don in slaughterhouse, me personally i think hes a better lyricist then budden but thats just me 8)
it really is just "just you" lol.
Far from it.. I'd bet Sai would whoop Buddens in a poll, just like he did on wax.. and like the replies above state.
i was feeling Saigon's disses more, but Budden's were tight.
like what Action! said, Sai was just dissing him on whatever was rhyming & Joe was actually dissing him; but i was just feeling Saigon's tracks more.
but as overall rappers, Saigon has nothing on Joe Budden; how many songs does Saigon even have out? but people hating on Joe Budden is just something to expect on this forum.
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Man, what sucks to me, is that Saigon doesn't have his heart in hip-hop. I've heard him talk so much shit about hip-hop that it's hard for me to enjoy his music. Like this is from that cat who said he only wrote rhymes because he had spare time in prison and now that he's out he's got better things to do which are, according to his latest interview, prepping for a ufc-esque fight. Come on, son? You serious? damn.
How is a cat like that going to drop a classic like Desperado and True Story?
I got love for both MCs so I'm not even hating but Siagon lost that beef more than Budden. It really wasn't a good look for either of them.
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Saigon KILLED Budden with "Pushin Buddens", saying something else is just denial. ::)
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anybody know what beat "Underachiever" is?
was that original or did he jack something?
pretty fucking ill.
Saigon KILLED Budden with "Pushin Buddens", saying something else is just denial. ::)
that's the song that made me think Saigon took Joey.
the only thing i wasn't really feeling in Saigon's disses were that he kept talking about how Joey wasn't known & doesn't sell; but neither does he lol.
anyway, even if you're just an average fan of Joe Budden & not a direct hater of his music you can admit that Joe Budden has never released anything as weak as Warning Shots 2.
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I don't hear it. How did Saigon kill Budden with Pushing Buddens? Why?
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that's the song that made me think Saigon took Joey.
the only thing i wasn't really feeling in Saigon's disses were that he kept talking about how Joey wasn't known & doesn't sell; but neither does he lol.
Props for admitting that.. and yeah, even though Sai was better, he kinda contradicted himself when he talked about sales, and "Amalgam digital", and then signing for them, LOL.
I think Underachiever was a jacked beat, can't remember which..
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how the fuck can ANY of youh niggas HONESTLY think this diss was hot? besides the fact that Joey mashed this nigga on Letter to.. HE FUCKING ethered him on Pain in His Life. this shit just proves to me how dead hip hop is when an ill lyricist like joey cant even get credit and a faggot nigga with no bars like sai can.. who cares if hes street tough nigga alot of us aree.. this shits lame
how can sai call joey a mixtape rapper.....when saigon hasnt released nuthin but jus that and joey has many albums?
so sounds like saigon was/is jealous of what joey has done
joey picked better beats to go at saigon with
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I don't hear it. How did Saigon kill Budden with Pushing Buddens? Why?
he had some hard ass lines against him.
but it wasn't "killing him"; it was just a tight diss track; Joe Budden held his own in both of his disses.
mostly, i just thought his flow was insanely tight. 8)
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I don't hear it. How did Saigon kill Budden with Pushing Buddens? Why?
he had some hard ass lines against him.
but it wasn't "killing him"; it was just a tight diss track; Joe Budden held his own in both of his disses.
mostly, i just thought his flow was insanely tight. 8)
Yeah, hands down, Sai's vocal are ill but, for the most part, he wasn' t saying shit. I just thought Budden painted Saigon's true character better than Sai did to Budden.
Again, this entire thing was lame. Saigon got offended by a verse from Budden that was misconstrued as a diss.
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Saigon KILLED Budden with "Pushin Buddens", saying something else is just denial. ::)
Budden killed saigon with pain in his life.
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so who killed who? lol
whos still relevant?
who has a album out?
whos a better rapper...now?
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Under Achiever was not a jacked beat, produced by Pablo Paz.
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Well some peoples hate for budden doesnt allow them to see his skills or when he kills a rapper in a battle.For example,budden killed game with his disses but the only people who cant admit are game stans and people who hate budden.
Since the beef saigon signed to amalgam digital after dissing budden for being on the label,then dropped warning shots 2 which was utter crap and even his fans admit,like myself for example.Budden has gone on to do the slaughterhouse album and dropped escape route which was a great record.
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I don't hear it. How did Saigon kill Budden with Pushing Buddens? Why?
he had some hard ass lines against him.
but it wasn't "killing him"; it was just a tight diss track; Joe Budden held his own in both of his disses.
mostly, i just thought his flow was insanely tight. 8)
Yeah, hands down, Sai's vocal are ill but, for the most part, he wasn' t saying shit. I just thought Budden painted Saigon's true character better than Sai did to Budden.
Again, this entire thing was lame. Saigon got offended by a verse from Budden that was misconstrued as a diss.
what was REALLY lame was what Jome mentioned, how he dissed Amalgam & then signed to them; then they were cool, talking about doing music together; the Wu-Tang thing happened & this guy started dissing Joe again.
something tells me Saigon is just a fucking idiot. :P
Hip Hop needs beef like that though; some solid ass diss tracks going back & forth. 8)
so who killed who? lol
whos still relevant?
who has a album out?
whos a better rapper...now?
nobody killed anybody; the beef wasn't even big enough to "kill" somebody.
Joe Budden is clearly more relevant.
Joe got all the albums out. ;)
Joe will forever be the better rapper. 8)
i must admit, i really want to hear "Greatest Story Ever Told" though. :)
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Under Achiever was not a jacked beat, produced by Pablo Paz.
that beat was so grimey.
Well some peoples hate for budden doesnt allow them to see his skills or when he kills a rapper in a battle.For example,budden killed game with his disses but the only people who cant admit are game stans and people who hate budden.
LOL, that Game beef wasn't even debateable; Joey dismantled Game; but clearly when i talk about it on this board with Game stans over in the West Coast section they look at me like i have three heads. :D
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so much of it can be blamed on atlantic and shit even just blaze for not fightin to get that album out...but how much of it is saigons fault?
but for him to call joe budden a mixtape rapper...4 albums plus deep...well hes jus etherin himself right there
problem is
1.joe gets more hate for whatever reasons so it makes it seem like saigon is the better rapper or he even won the BATTLE
2.they also hurt themselves in a way
a.saigon gets ran up on by prodigy
b.joe budden gets ran up on by raekwon
now that dont hurt their rappin career as far as whos better lyrically...but it dont help em either IMO
but yeah like that game/budden beef....people sayin game won...i mean he was talkin like he was in elementary school...and joey was a nobody and a nuthin back then
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Saigon didnt get ran up on by prodigy lol,saigon would knock that little twig out.He ran up on stage and punched prodigy in the face then got chased out of the building by prodigys crew.
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point is somethin happened between em
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there's 4 people Stanning for Joe Buddens and can argue all day but will still remain the minority no matter how hard u try 2 convert/enlighten us on Buddens and no matter how much u go on about him. Saigon is better, that's fact. Fuck albums, fuck all that other bullshit y'all stressin. Saigon is better and we don't need dubcc or a JoeBuddens forum ::) to know who's better. Stop tryna put Buddens on thru Dubcc, it's not gonna happen. Joe's just not that tight, fair enuff and enuff said.
but it's funny how this whole thing turnt into tha Saigon vs. Buddens thing after I called u out on y'all hypocrisies. it's clear to us and everybody y'all can't hold y'all ground without resorting to spinning words and false facts and statements. go on and hate, case dismissed:
RadioTube! -- 1,000,000,000,001
Haters -- -1,000,000,000,001
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PS: Nobody is hating on Buddens, we just don't fuck wit him like y'all do. Same way y'all feel about Gucci and The WHOLE DAMN SOUTH APPARENTLY is the same way we feel about Buddens. And "Pump It Up" was wack, it was only critically acclaimed hot bcuz back then Club Hip Hop records weren't on tha same calibur they are on today and the fact that he was a Jersey nigga on the infamous DefJam label, it was like u wanted to give this nigga Joey a chance but at tha end of tha day u really couldn't bcuz tha nigga just wasn't that hot. simple enuff. tha same exact shit could be said today.
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ITS OK FOR SAIGON TO NOT HAVE A ALBUM BUT CROOKED NOT HAVIN A ALBUM....MAKES CROOKED THE WORST RAPPER LIVE AND MUCH MORE!!! LOL
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Radiotube until you figyure out that an opinion isnt fact your going to be slightly less stupid.Watch this,JOE BUDDEN IS A BETTER RAPPER THEN SAIGON,THATS FACT.DAMN I GUESS BECAUSE I SAID SOMETHING OF MY OPINION THAT MAKES IT FACT RIGHT?
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the fllllllluck you even talking about, son? :laugh:
"Saigon is better" & you say "fuck albums, fuck all that 'bullshit".
SO BASICALLY, you're saying that Saigon is better because you said so, it doesn't matter what music they put out or in Saigon's case, doesn't put out, you say he's better, so he's better.
phenominal logic, yet again.
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:sleep: go get on tagged and go talk 2 some bitches right now. i'm not entertaining your thoughts. y y'all care so much about what I got 2 say but then turn around and call me an idiot and BEG me and 2 talk 2 u. if i'm such a dumbass then ignore me and keep it movin'. stop hanging on my nuts.
it's yall 3/4 only on here defending Buddens and no1 else, catch a clue they keep droppin' on yall heads, u gotta feel it by now.
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:sleep: go get on tagged and go talk 2 some bitches right now. i'm not entertaining your thoughts. y y'all care so much about what I got 2 say but then turn around and call me an idiot and BEG me and 2 talk 2 u. if i'm such a dumbass then ignore me and keep it movin'. stop hanging on my nuts.
your thoughts are entertaining though.
they are just god damn HILARIOUS.
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Write me a 12 paragraph response.
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lol
cham...member the quote i got....was made for him by the x-man
Write me a 12 paragraph response.
:sleep: go get on tagged and go talk 2 some bitches right now. i'm not entertaining your thoughts. y y'all care so much about what I got 2 say but then turn around and call me an idiot and BEG me and 2 talk 2 u. if i'm such a dumbass then ignore me and keep it movin'. stop hanging on my nuts.
your thoughts are entertaining though.
they are just god damn HILARIOUS.
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i bet 2 years time saigon will have faded off the map OFFICIALLY
Budden and slaughterhouse will still be around
I doubt any of them will ever blow up like em, drake, jay, or wayne
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He says he wants to go into MMA fighting after the album drop. The only thing he has left to do in the Hip-Hop game is drop an album.
Sai don't care about blowing up, he could give a fuck less, he already kosher financially.
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(Most of) Joe Buddens online fans are a delusional breed.
A couple of hundred hardcore online Budden fans swears that he's amongst the greatest rappers, got classic albums, and denies any loss in a battle.
The rest of hip hop fans consider him easily the worst member in Slaughterhouse, and can't stand his annoying nasal voice, and fake tough guy gimmick.
It's just as rewarding as arguing with people who still thinks DPG are still the best act out, so I'ma end it with this reply.
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lol @ nasal voice
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LOL, alright.
i don't think there is a forum on the internet that expresses such a deep hatred for Joey.
there might even be a "ihateJoeBudden.com" & it wouldn't have shit on this website.
you guys blatantly hate & all play it off like it's "just being honest". :D
Joe Budden is clearly better lyrically, you guys can hate on his flow, production (because Lord knows production makes a rapper) & "energy" all day; but at least show that you're attempting to be open minded & admit he's got lyrics.
honestly, give me a percentage of how many of you go into a Joe Budden related thread with an open mind? has to be under 10%. :D
dubcc is the only forum that i frequent that actually has joe budden fans. go to philaflava and see your favorite MC get shit on constantly
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LOL, alright.
i don't think there is a forum on the internet that expresses such a deep hatred for Joey.
there might even be a "ihateJoeBudden.com" & it wouldn't have shit on this website.
you guys blatantly hate & all play it off like it's "just being honest". :D
Joe Budden is clearly better lyrically, you guys can hate on his flow, production (because Lord knows production makes a rapper) & "energy" all day; but at least show that you're attempting to be open minded & admit he's got lyrics.
honestly, give me a percentage of how many of you go into a Joe Budden related thread with an open mind? has to be under 10%. :D
dubcc is the only forum that i frequent that actually has joe budden fans. go to philaflava and see your favorite MC get shit on constantly
i'm sure they are bright, intelligent Hip Hop heads; just like we have throughout this board. :)
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As the OG Budden fan on this board, I will say he does not have one classic release. "Escape Route" is close for me, but not quite...
He does however have alot of classic songs, in my books...
smh @ this thread turning into JB. Saigon is dope people....
Man Pain in My Life, I listened to that joint on repeat like an emo when that shit came out...
Come on Baby, that shit will get you amped... Just Blaze & him are a knockout tag team...
That shit with Statik was alright, wasn't feeling WS2. The gems are in GSNT... Gotta believe it.
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^na, nobody hating on Saigon.
i'm a Saigon fan; it's not him.
it's just people deliberately hating on Joe Budden & acting like they are speaking the truth or some shit. :D
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He says he wants to go into MMA fighting after the album drop. The only thing he has left to do in the Hip-Hop game is drop an album.
Sai don't care about blowing up, he could give a fuck less, he already kosher financially.
That's what you say after you accept you never going to make it or you've given up.
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"The only thing he has left to do in the Hip-Hop game is drop an album"
what the fuck? Thats one of the fucking FIRST things you should be doing. If Saigon hasnt got an official album on the shelves, effectively he doesnt have a career in music. He's done nothing and achieved nothing in the hip-hop game if he hasnt even managed to get one sodding album out!
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"The only thing he has left to do in the Hip-Hop game is drop an album"
what the fuck? Thats one of the fucking FIRST things you should be doing. If Saigon hasnt got an official album on the shelves, effectively he doesnt have a career in music. He's done nothing and achieved nothing in the hip-hop game if he hasnt even managed to get one sodding album out!
This is an ignorant comment, you must not follow much of the Hip-Hop scene if you haven't heard or enjoyed a Saigon song yet. He has put out numerous singles, mixtapes, features, and videos. He has collaborated with dozens of respected artists and producers..
The only thing he has left to do is drop an album. It will be the final chapter of his career, that for the most part was short and sweet, the way a rapper should do it!
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"The only thing he has left to do in the Hip-Hop game is drop an album"
what the fuck? Thats one of the fucking FIRST things you should be doing. If Saigon hasnt got an official album on the shelves, effectively he doesnt have a career in music. He's done nothing and achieved nothing in the hip-hop game if he hasnt even managed to get one sodding album out!
ALL ORIGINAL MIXTAPES ARE ALBUMS EITHER U WAY U LOOK AT IT. Joe Budden Stans ARE THE SICKEST. I've heard that rumor b4 but know i'm starting to see it. LOL. Joey will never be THAT NIGGA, NEVER! LOL get over it
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^yeah, he won't be "that nigga".
he drops actual music, not telling you that he's got a classic & hide it forever. :D
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Let's stop this petty debate. I got love for both of them. I hope Greatest Story Never Told Drops and reignovorates Saigon to have some faith in hip-hop. I hope Budden's coming albums will be better mixed and flex his various song writing talents.
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Let's stop this petty debate. I got love for both of them. I hope Greatest Story Never Told Drops and reignovorates Saigon to have some faith in hip-hop. I hope Budden's coming albums will be better mixed and flex his various song writing talents.
Woooooooooord. Ty.