West Coast Connection Forum
DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: cowboy1 on May 06, 2010, 12:57:30 AM
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http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/e/16711680/wshhII3GV0D7oV87xvaP
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lol this shit is comedy.never did he say anything to glasses on the side of a stage.him and rhythm d has been nothing but nice guys to my family lmao.his album kilafornia is coming out so check the date.i might as well help with the promo for his album lol
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lol this shit is comedy.never did he say anything to glasses on the side of a stage.him and rhythm d has been nothing but nice guys to my family lmao.his album kilafornia is coming out so check the date.i might as well help with the promo for his album lol
well tbh it seems like all of these dudes is doing it for pub especially rock and glasses
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Problem is a serious problem, 'i'm f*ckd up' is a hot song, chill needs to chill, he don't want it with problem
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' I ain't never seen problem in Compton'........ha-ha!
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chill shut yo ass up, old ass nigga!!!!! broke nigga trying to get promo for his album because nobody checking for his old ass anymore,niggaz will do anything to get on worldstar these days, didn't this niggaz bitch exposed him ? dont worry about glasses,problem or jay rock nigga mako capone was on your old ass and you tuck and ran,haha this broke nigga just trying to get some promo for his album, nigga should be ashamed, all these years in the game and duke still dont have shit, no label nothing, your old ass is broke with nothin to show for it, your claim to fame is being mc eihts hype man, nobody outside of cali really know who this nigga is, i only heard about this dude because of this site, i knew who mc eiht was but not this nigga, these old west coast niggaz always think niggaz knew or know about them haha nigga your name rings no bell out here which means you were never pushing the line, if niggaz around the world dont know who you are that means you aint really did shit major,niggaz may have heard of comptons most wanted but if they peep a picture of you dem niggaz dont know you, if i see this broke nigga walking on the streets i dont know thats chill from CMW haha nigga sit your old ass down your time came and went, play your position and go speak to school children on why they should invest there money or they will end up like your old ass haha yo this nigga was a splifstar to a busta except you knew how to produced and spliff is still more known than he is, this nigga acting like he's dre haha this nigga never had no hits, mc ehit did but this nigga aint as improvident as he think he is trying to put himself in the same class as battlecat & dae one haha, why this nigga dissing problem ? problem aint even a nigga to diss anybody, this nigga looking for fame.chill saying problem aint from compton mako saying chill aint from compton himself haha
mako you a fool for exposing this nigga haha
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-P5VAjIXo_0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38Pz44g5B7M&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiuKeh9uNkY&feature=related
hahaha
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=697ulYUX4P4&feature=related
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this shits getting blown outta proportion
dude was ready to change the subject but they keep going back and forth with this.
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this shits getting blown outta proportion
dude was ready to change the subject but they keep going back and forth with this.
Yeah to me the interviewer was reaaally trying to get some controversy going... I mean I've been asking artists about it too but I let the artists speak without trying to influence their response, this dude said he had Glasses on there 2-3 weeks ago calling out names and now Chill. The dude's "question" was longer than the answer lol.
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that nigga chill said signing to cash money is not west coast haha, nigga shut your ass up they aint no major labels on the west coast aside from aftermath right now, who the niggaz gon sign to ruthless records, death row...that nigga sounded mad jealous b, hating ass nigga mad because he could never be a household name without 8, lying about signing to intercope and doing movies to impress a bitch haha, yo this nigga mad son haha his time came and went and nobody feeling his ass so he see's some young niggaz like jay rock up in xxxl, glasses is doing a interview with tim westwood, shooting big budget videos and this nigga screw facing from far...the shit this nigga lying about them young niggaz done it, he lying about signing with majors them niggaz on majors, the nigga mad nobody talking about his album hahaha he probably on the net seeing jay rock name, seeing problem with snoop, seeing glasses on a gang of feature and this nigga probably sitting there thinking fuck these niggaz mane, them niggaz getting all the face time what about me, what about CMW haha that nigga mad son, these old niggaz just cant come to grips with the fact thats its over for them, when the new wave of hot rappers come in the old niggaz get put on the back burner, thats the way the game goes unless your a icon like snoop,dre, jay z them niggaz will stick because there icons in this game but who the fuck is tha chill, yo that nigga acting like a 16 or beat from him will help niggaz career talking he produced glasses first hit so he's responsible for his success, nigga you produced 1 track and trying to take credit for a niggaz career haha, seriously whos riding around bumping a chill album hahaha fuck outta here nigga, even snoop wont fuck with that nigga chill
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chill shut yo ass up, old ass nigga!!!!! broke nigga trying to get promo for his album because nobody checking for his old ass anymore,niggaz will do anything to get on worldstar these days, didn't this niggaz bitch exposed him ? dont worry about glasses,problem or jay rock nigga mako capone was on your old ass and you tuck and ran,haha this broke nigga just trying to get some promo for his album, nigga should be ashamed, all these years in the game and duke still dont have shit, no label nothing, your old ass is broke with nothin to show for it, your claim to fame is being mc eihts hype man, nobody outside of cali really know who this nigga is, i only heard about this dude because of this site, i knew who mc eiht was but not this nigga, these old west coast niggaz always think niggaz knew or know about them haha nigga your name rings no bell out here which means you were never pushing the line, if niggaz around the world dont know who you are that means you aint really did shit major,niggaz may have heard of comptons most wanted but if they peep a picture of you dem niggaz dont know you, if i see this broke nigga walking on the streets i dont know thats chill from CMW haha nigga sit your old ass down your time came and went, play your position and go speak to school children on why they should invest there money or they will end up like your old ass haha yo this nigga was a splifstar to a busta except you knew how to produced and spliff is still more known than he is, this nigga acting like he's dre haha this nigga never had no hits, mc ehit did but this nigga aint as improvident as he think he is trying to put himself in the same class as battlecat & dae one haha, why this nigga dissing problem ? problem aint even a nigga to diss anybody, this nigga looking for fame.chill saying problem aint from compton mako saying chill aint from compton himself haha
mako you a fool for exposing this nigga haha
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-P5VAjIXo_0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38Pz44g5B7M&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiuKeh9uNkY&feature=related
hahaha
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=697ulYUX4P4&feature=related
Hav Sum Rspct Fool! Fucc All Deeeez New School Wannabe Rapperz!
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What did Problem say?
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chill shut yo ass up, old ass nigga!!!!! broke nigga trying to get promo for his album because nobody checking for his old ass anymore,niggaz will do anything to get on worldstar these days, didn't this niggaz bitch exposed him ? dont worry about glasses,problem or jay rock nigga mako capone was on your old ass and you tuck and ran,haha this broke nigga just trying to get some promo for his album, nigga should be ashamed, all these years in the game and duke still dont have shit, no label nothing, your old ass is broke with nothin to show for it, your claim to fame is being mc eihts hype man, nobody outside of cali really know who this nigga is, i only heard about this dude because of this site, i knew who mc eiht was but not this nigga, these old west coast niggaz always think niggaz knew or know about them haha nigga your name rings no bell out here which means you were never pushing the line, if niggaz around the world dont know who you are that means you aint really did shit major,niggaz may have heard of comptons most wanted but if they peep a picture of you dem niggaz dont know you, if i see this broke nigga walking on the streets i dont know thats chill from CMW haha nigga sit your old ass down your time came and went, play your position and go speak to school children on why they should invest there money or they will end up like your old ass haha yo this nigga was a splifstar to a busta except you knew how to produced and spliff is still more known than he is, this nigga acting like he's dre haha this nigga never had no hits, mc ehit did but this nigga aint as improvident as he think he is trying to put himself in the same class as battlecat & dae one haha, why this nigga dissing problem ? problem aint even a nigga to diss anybody, this nigga looking for fame.chill saying problem aint from compton mako saying chill aint from compton himself haha
mako you a fool for exposing this nigga haha
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-P5VAjIXo_0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38Pz44g5B7M&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiuKeh9uNkY&feature=related
hahaha
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=697ulYUX4P4&feature=related
Hav Sum Rspct Fool! Fucc All Deeeez New School Wannabe Rapperz!
nigga you a cornball with a name like DJ Quik but spelling your shit with 2 c's hahha how this lame nigga using a blood name and writing as a crip haha nigga check your self
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Ngga It'z Only A Name! Ngga I Cnt Wait Til Cube Fuccz Deeeez New School Wannabe Rapperz Up! U Jst A Pnk Azz Btch!!!!
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What a load of fucking crap, i can't believe i listened to it. I only know one major label on the West that has any voice in the game and that's Aftermath, Death Row & Ruthless has been dead so this major West Coast label thing is jus BS.
The East Coast has been shitting on the West for years on in, why don't he gon in on them? Niggaz on the West are so narrow-minded it ain't funnya ll this New West vs Old West is a heap of non-sense. A lot of the West Coast artist be riding them southern and east coast niggaa dick hoping to get some recognition.
The West Coast is jus a bunch of fucking crabs in a barrel... the moment one tries to get out another one pulls it back down
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Westside Foe Life!!!!
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that nigga said jay rock be dissing the old niggaz, where ? isnt dj quik producing on rocks album
wasn't quik & AGM is rocks video for lift me up
isnt OFTB co signing jay rock
didnt jay rock lay tracks with niggaz like e 40 & big wy
wasnt that nigga rock posted up with daz kurupt & roscoe at some studio recently, so how is he not fucking with the old west
i see kam with the niggaz in hella videos
that nigga chill mad cuz niggaz aint fucking with him thats his problem, its a jealousy thing
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What a load of fucking crap, i can't believe i listened to it. I only know one major label on the West that has any voice in the game and that's Aftermath, Death Row & Ruthless has been dead so this major West Coast label thing is jus BS.
The East Coast has been shitting on the West for years on in, why don't he gon in on them? Niggaz on the West are so narrow-minded it ain't funnya ll this New West vs Old West is a heap of non-sense. A lot of the West Coast artist be riding them southern and east coast niggaa dick hoping to get some recognition.
The West Coast is jus a bunch of fucking crabs in a barrel... the moment one tries to get out another one pulls it back down
Real shit
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The West Coast is jus a bunch of fucking crabs in a barrel... the moment one tries to get out another one pulls it back down
this is some real shit right here!!!!
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Very interested. I always assumed these dudes were starting a New West vs. Old West beef for recognition. But the way Tha Chill said it, it makes it sound more like the New West has been reaching out and damn near begging to work with the vets but there saying no just because they want to.
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chill shut yo ass up, old ass nigga!!!!! broke nigga trying to get promo for his album because nobody checking for his old ass anymore,niggaz will do anything to get on worldstar these days, didn't this niggaz bitch exposed him ? dont worry about glasses,problem or jay rock nigga mako capone was on your old ass and you tuck and ran,haha this broke nigga just trying to get some promo for his album, nigga should be ashamed, all these years in the game and duke still dont have shit, no label nothing, your old ass is broke with nothin to show for it, your claim to fame is being mc eihts hype man, nobody outside of cali really know who this nigga is, i only heard about this dude because of this site, i knew who mc eiht was but not this nigga, these old west coast niggaz always think niggaz knew or know about them haha nigga your name rings no bell out here which means you were never pushing the line, if niggaz around the world dont know who you are that means you aint really did shit major,niggaz may have heard of comptons most wanted but if they peep a picture of you dem niggaz dont know you, if i see this broke nigga walking on the streets i dont know thats chill from CMW haha nigga sit your old ass down your time came and went, play your position and go speak to school children on why they should invest there money or they will end up like your old ass haha yo this nigga was a splifstar to a busta except you knew how to produced and spliff is still more known than he is, this nigga acting like he's dre haha this nigga never had no hits, mc ehit did but this nigga aint as improvident as he think he is trying to put himself in the same class as battlecat & dae one haha, why this nigga dissing problem ? problem aint even a nigga to diss anybody, this nigga looking for fame.chill saying problem aint from compton mako saying chill aint from compton himself haha
mako you a fool for exposing this nigga haha
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-P5VAjIXo_0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38Pz44g5B7M&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiuKeh9uNkY&feature=related
hahaha
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=697ulYUX4P4&feature=related
You tripping homie! You can make it about money and the capitalist aspect which is fine but to disrespect chill in the manner you are doing is blasphemy and a major blunder. Chill may not have the monetary symbols to your liking but he is a major influence for west coast rap and hip hop in general and u can say one of the founders of west coast gangsta rap. Plus the brotha is a real musician who plays instruments not some computer programmer who allows the machine to do the work. Bagalamuhki! hlreem!
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pride and recognition is a muthafucca ain't it, much respect to all parties, i think shit will get squashed and alot of cats will start fucc'n with each other, chill got bangers so equals hate'n on his music is nothing but some lames,same with problem that equal got fiya on the mic,fucc takin sides just ride with good music yell
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cj mac and glasses was just in the studio together.cj came from out of town to fuck with glasses.lol
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All the new west wants is unity and to work with with the vets.i dont understand why they just cant unite and make great music together.
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make great music together.
I think thats the problem ;D
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All the new west wants is unity and to work with with the vets.i dont understand why they just cant unite and make great music together.
it's simple,most want to be considered "the king" themselves!!!,, pride,ego,sense of entitlement,and the young lion wanting the throne, it's a jungle out there when resources are scarce nobody wants to give up shit yell
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lol.you could tell this nigga chill dont no nothing about the new west,the new west no they history,they just was saying that the old west wasnt looking out.which they not,like the oldier west looked out for hell of artist already and it never works out,like cube put mack 10,w.c,yo yo,kaution,lench mob and other niggas on,cube put hell o fniggas on,snoop put hell of niggas on.like its not they job to keep putting niggas on.they oldier now.but anyway.im supporting any west,as long a its god music,
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and i believe dude checked g malone,u could tell g malone is pussy,malone aint no gangsta,but i bet he wont check jay rock.
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and i believe dude checked g malone,u could tell g malone is pussy,malone aint no gangsta,but i bet he wont check jay rock.
lol chill and glasses was cool until last week when mc eiht said soething lmao.chill is cool with my lil bro k style lmao
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Who wants to rap in the garage..No mixing board..No booth..And the garage dont come equipped wit AC...Nothing but a radio shack mic and a can of cheap motor oil...The homie tree trunk said he want the motif back..
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lol this shit is comedy.never did he say anything to glasses on the side of a stage.him and rhythm d has been nothing but nice guys to my family lmao.his album kilafornia is coming out so check the date.i might as well help with the promo for his album lol
and who are you?
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.And the garage dont come equipped wit AC...Nothing but a radio shack mic and a can of cheap motor oil...
hahahahaha
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Tha chill speakin the truth here 8)
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Glasses malone is soo corny , sucking cash moneys nuts .. Fucc them new niggas , they aint never had a album yet fuccin clowns !!!!!
Nigga the original west is here to stay 8)
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Look where this nigga records...LOL..I told yall and told yall bout these fuckin frauds...And I do believe Problem is from Compton last time I checked...That jus show these niggas aint in the Streets...Well yall Already know...FACTOR HOUSE OR NOTHING..FUCK A BITCH NIGGA..Why Glasses gets assaulted by yall and yall scared to throw rocks this way..CUZ CMW Know the whats best..Weak ass raps with no substance...Oh yeah Chill cant read or write.. fuckin dummy.. check out his facebook how he is mispelling simple 3rd grade words...
OH AND ON ANOTHER NOTE..Did yall see the gossip bitch type nigga he is how he dont even wanna talk about that weak ass album but instead discuss his over exagerated incident with Glasses..Man ole man they make us Compton niggas look bad...
AND A MESSAGE TO CHAD..HOOPLA MEDIA.YOU FUCKIN WIT A LOSER...SHAME ON YOU....
http://www.youtube.com/v/_hYiSljGp1Q&hl=en_US&fs=1&
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Tha chill speakin the truth here 8)
now eiht and chill squirts on your face.. you a cmw whore
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lol this shit is comedy.never did he say anything to glasses on the side of a stage.him and rhythm d has been nothing but nice guys to my family lmao.his album kilafornia is coming out so check the date.i might as well help with the promo for his album lol
yeah CHILL AND CHAD Thats <a writer for this site..Have hopes and dreams chillafornia will do several thousand downloads on iTUNES..Now I know why chill gets major pub on here..CHAD from this site makes that happen..A BIASED WEBSITE...
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westside159 IS Mc eiht.
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ITS FUNNY HOW CHILL WANTS TO RIDE ON THE
NEW WEST WHEN HE CAN'T STAND UP TO FACTORHOUSE .
Really...
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westside159 IS Mc eiht.
naw it aint.. eiht dont speak like dat.. nia and chit is how he types..i done got several emails from eiht..lol and 159 is his biggest male groupie
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off glasses twitter
Niggas dont press me.... I do all the pressing!!!! Are these niggas for reaL???
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Lol, Chill's a prime example of how people are so desparate that they're using this beef for publicity. The guy hasn't been relevant even in CMW's history, dude's just lonely and wants attention I bet.
Nigga the original west is here to stay 8)
If the west disappeared once, it can disappear again. Old no-name wash outs like Chill ain't contributing shit to keep the west relevant.
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All the new west wants is unity and to work with with the vets.i dont understand why they just cant unite and make great music together.
I think from someone like Cube's perspective, he wants rappers to make a little something of themselves before he collabs with them. Let's not forget that aside from this and a couple other west coast forums, these guys have zero presence outside the internet. It's kinda like asking Nas to work with a myspace rapper just because he's from NY (which Nas would never do). At the end of the day I think Cube is willing to work with the artists who work for themselves. That's why he's cool with Game, and that's why he promised Nipsey a verse. Because these are rappers who are making a name for themselves. As far as others, I'm not sure Cube is even aware of these rappers you want him to work with. Face it, if it wasn't for the internet you wouldn't know most these rappers existed. I certainly wouldn't if it wasn't for dubcc. And I don't think Cube is checking forums and all over the internet like that. This whole shit is blown out of proportion as some new vs. old when in reality the whole situation started because G Malone was talking shit about Cube in an interview and fans on Cube's website asked him to respond. Honestly, what the fuck do you expect from a west coast battle legend when someone disses them? I would consider Cube a pussy if he said "yeah you're right G, I'm a bitch, but I'll record a track with you anyways"
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alot of what you say rapsodie is true,but come on my equal it's a new time, plus people got to start from somewhere,us as fans got to stop acting stucc up,as well as label heads and established rappers,cube ain't trying to put nobody on his label so it's cool,but just minimizing every artist cause they aren't nationally known is stupid and that's what this coast does a lil too much, i mean it's alot of south rappers we ain't know of yet they get put on and have at least one hit and alot started out on the net or lil talent shows,so fucc that mentality, if shit is dope it's dope, i think alot of fans out here and rappers who've had modest success swear they are fucc'n dr dre with the "it got to sound like this,cd quality,did he do a song with snoop etc" that's bullshit,and who cares where you know these people from,hell j.cole came off myspace as well as b.o.b. who has the number 1 record in the country, shit is funny that mainly only the west seems to think shit is a bad thing, equals need to get off they high muthafucc'n horses and checc out shit from here yell
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All the new west wants is unity and to work with with the vets.i dont understand why they just cant unite and make great music together.
I think from someone like Cube's perspective, he wants rappers to make a little something of themselves before he collabs with them. Let's not forget that aside from this and a couple other west coast forums, these guys have zero presence outside the internet. It's kinda like asking Nas to work with a myspace rapper just because he's from NY (which Nas would never do). At the end of the day I think Cube is willing to work with the artists who work for themselves. That's why he's cool with Game, and that's why he promised Nipsey a verse. Because these are rappers who are making a name for themselves. As far as others, I'm not sure Cube is even aware of these rappers you want him to work with. Face it, if it wasn't for the internet you wouldn't know most these rappers existed. I certainly wouldn't if it wasn't for dubcc. And I don't think Cube is checking forums and all over the internet like that. This whole shit is blown out of proportion as some new vs. old when in reality the whole situation started because G Malone was talking shit about Cube in an interview and fans on Cube's website asked him to respond. Honestly, what the fuck do you expect from a west coast battle legend when someone disses them? I would consider Cube a pussy if he said "yeah you're right G, I'm a bitch, but I'll record a track with you anyways"
If ice cube can work with spider loc he should be able to work with other people lol.
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so if he's already working with some newer rappers, why exactly are you mad? do you want him to work specifically with your favorite rapper? who?
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Im not mad,the coast is dead and the leaders are doing a piss poor job of helping the coast.Thats all Im saying.It would help if they united and worked together,nobody in particular.But instead of the pointless beefing,crabs in the barrell mentality the old generation has they could unite and make the coast worthwhile again.
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I don't get it. You say no one in particular, but at the same time they have songs out with newer rappers, just not the rappers you want them to work with.
be real. You're mad because Ice Cube hasn't made a track with crooked. lol i know what's up.
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You still have this fucked up imaginary mentality that the west even has a snowball's chance of being mainstream again, and that its somehow the OGs fault. Hell no. The west coast is dead because the mainstream doesn't want to hear west coast music. None of the rappers you and I like have even a chance of blowing up because the music you and I enjoy listening to is completely different to what gets played on mtv and clear channel. You want proof, Just listen to the fucking radio!!! Does that sound like Crooked I or Bishop Lamont?? Or even anyone this forum likes? Fuck no.
Bottom line is, stop blaming the older generation when these newer rappers have NO CHANCE of blowing up. Snoop Dogg and Ice Cube are barely surviving on their legacies alone, what in the world makes you think anyone else has a chance of blowing up?
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You can think whatever you like but the proof is there.The coast is dead,the new music made by cube and snoop and the like is trash.They claim their leaders but have their own coast rebelling against them because they dont want to help anyone out.Snoop and cubes fan base will continue to get smaller and smaller because of instead of working with the new talented crop of west coast talent they choose to ignore the fact the coast needs help and make the same boring shit.Like it or not when the rest of world thinks westcoast they think ice cube and snoop.These are the supposed kings and leaders of the coast.So them working with other artists and cosigning is a big deal.You have fans on here that wont even listen to an artist until they get cosigned by one of these ogs.Im not saying if they work together the coast will be ressuerected,but anything is better then what the coast is now.Completely dead.You can thank ice cube and snoop for that.They have the power to help but choose to be old ass haters.
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again who? Who do they need to cosign to not be "haters"? Lol, I see songs coming out feat. Snoop all the time yet he's still a hater I guess.
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Your talking about a coast that is completely stuck in the past.These fans need their fucking hands held by the ogs to be put on to new west artists.
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Didn't Snoop put west coast rappers on his album ? (I couldn't listen to the whole album cause all the tracks I heard were trash). Isn't that "working with new artists"? How is dude a hater?
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again who? Who do they need to cosign to not be "haters"?
Everybody.Id love to hear cube work with jay rock or glasses,or hear Crooked I work with dre,Bishop lamont with snoop,or how about cube working with blu and fashawn.Who wouldnt want to hear that?Or do you enjoy hearing snoop make a song with daz for the one millionth time?
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Snoop has come out interviews recently and even admitted he hated on other artists.
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them new cats started the shit . so it is what it is . the westcoast is doing it big either way in 2010 .
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them new cats started the shit . so it is what it is . the westcoast is doing it big either way in 2010 .
No,it isnt doing anything big.
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Just because every artist doesn't work with EVERY other artist doesn't make them haters. I don't even know who jay rock is, glasses dissed Cube in an interview so he fucked up that opportunity (plus I ain't a fan of glasses), Bishop was signed by Dre for crying out loud, plus he made a diss song about Snoop, Crooked I actually had an opportunity to sign to Aftermath but he fucked that up, and Blu and Cube have completely different styles, wouldn't mesh at all.
And I don't even know when the last Snoop, Daz song was.
What I'm getting from this is that you are mad that certain OGs won't work with certain new rappers, but they are definitely working with other new rappers so I don't see how you can accuse them of hating.
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if snoop himself has come out and admitted hes hated on artists from the west then why cant you just get over it and admit it?
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I get it,youve made your points,you enjoy the westcoast being dead,no albums coming out and the ogs putting out worse music every album.This to you,is acceptable.
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There's no one to blame for the lack of albums except the artists themselves. They are all still looking to get signed to a major and blow up when it clearly isn't going to happen. But look at Blu. The guy puts actual albums out on an independent level and has people talking about his music. That's what the new west should be doing. That's why imo Blu >>> new west
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if snoop himself has come out and admitted hes hated on artists from the west then why cant you just get over it and admit it?
He may have hated on certain rappers in the past (see Crooked I and the new death row), but right now he's doing more for the coast than anyone. So why are you still calling him an "old ass hater"?
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I get it,youve made your points,you enjoy the westcoast being dead
the west isn't dead and you're a tool of the mainstream if you believe that. 95% of mainstream is shit. Those generic songs getting pumped out by clear channel? That's what's dead.
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You still have this fucked up imaginary mentality that the west even has a snowball's chance of being mainstream again, and that its somehow the OGs fault. Hell no. The west coast is dead because the mainstream doesn't want to hear west coast music. None of the rappers you and I like have even a chance of blowing up because the music you and I enjoy listening to is completely different to what gets played on mtv and clear channel. You want proof, Just listen to the fucking radio!!! Does that sound like Crooked I or Bishop Lamont?? Or even anyone this forum likes? Fuck no.
Bottom line is, stop blaming the older generation when these newer rappers have NO CHANCE of blowing up. Snoop Dogg and Ice Cube are barely surviving on their legacies alone, what in the world makes you think anyone else has a chance of blowing up?
nigga said is best, out here most niggaz i roll with and from people i know, im one of the few that listens to west coast rap, when niggaz having there lil talk about whos hot and i mention a nigga from the west niggaz be like yo son i cant listen to west coast rap, seriously niggaz i know dont rate west coast niggaz, the only niggas getting any kind oF mention is game,crooked i,nipsey & jay rock from the west but its not even that major, the older rappers fucked it up for the west, them niggaz put yall in a deep hole and it will be hard for young west coast niggaz to get respect as lyricist out side of cali, when i play some nipey them dudes think he's fire but them boys are not used to hearing a west coast nigga like nipesy, when they hear about west coast rap them niggaz thinking its a nigga that was out when we were in high school like mack 10 or somebody and they aint really fucking with that shit, i cant see the west cost getting mainstream love anytime soon, being a nigga out side the west and seeing how niggaz view west coast rap, ya'll niggaz got a serious up hill battle, because i hear them niggaz fucking with the east, fucking with the south but when i mention west coast them niggaz look at me like b are you serious, i think its just the west coast have a reputation of having a sound thats not really appealing to young niggaz outside of cali so niggaz dont give there shit a listen because them niggaz think it sounds like its out dated.
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Blu also has an almost non existent fan base.
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There is this thing called business, you may want to learn about it. Album sales are horrible these days. An artist should look out for himself and thats it. He has no responsibility to anyone other than himself.
Last time I checked Mcdonalds wasn't promoting the mom and pop spot down the road.
People don't have money to go out and buy everyone's album or see everyone's show. These rappers know that...they gotta sell themselves. If mutha fuckers wanted to hear the new west so bad then they would have record deals themselves and put albums out already.
WTF do you think these record exec's care about? 1 thing - making money. If they had any faith at all in these new west rappers then these new west rappers would be putting out album. But that ain't happening.
Snoop and cube have given so many rappers a chance in this rap game, the fact that you are calling them haters just shows your ignorance. Do I even need to list the rappers who have gotten an opportunity because of snoop and cube? When is enough, enough? you want them to hold everybodies hand until they hit platinum status? Get real.
These mutha fuckers job is to make music and sell out shows and records. Their job is not to give a hand out to some whiny ass fool tryna be a rap star. Quit with the fucking excuses - not everybody is meant to be famous in the music industry.
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Did you just try to use a competitive business as a comparison?Your an idiot grundy,go drive another 6 hours to play someone in basketball.
An artist should look after himself?Do you even know what the fuck your talking about?I guess dre should have looked out forhimself and left snoop at home.I guess 50 should have never brough g unit to the game.Fat Joe should never have helped big pun get put on he should have just worried about himself.LOL,look at all labels and artists,the minute they put the focus on themselves they fail.When fat joe decided he was the star of terror squasd the label fell apart and he lost huis fan base.When master p decided he was the star of no limit and gave himself the most priorirty the label fell apart and so did his fan base.Shall I continyue?Seriously,just stay of the conversation,raposide makes good points but your just an idiot.WHEN ARTISTS HELP OTHER ARTISTS IT HELPS THEM AS WELL.
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2pac was the last true leader of the west,he worked with everyone,from la to the bay didnt matter who it was.
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the way I see it is, if Snoop hadn't gotten any buzz after his appearance on Deep Cover, Dre wouldn't have put him on. Dre put him on one song and it got everyone talking about this dude. That was the incentive for Dre to feature him all over his record. That's why he blew up. In today's music environment, especially with the bias against west coast artists or anyone sounding west coast, Snoop can put a rapper on a song and it won't do shit for their career.
I think half the problem is that west coast music is seen as "old", yet these new west rappers want to carry on the same style and make the same type of music. But the mainstream doesn't want to hear that kind of music anymore. Just look at New Boyz. They are doing someone completely different from what is considered "west coast", and it works for them. As long as west coast artists continue to make music that isn't "hot", they won't get any attention. I don't have a problem with that. I'd rather hear Crooked I or Bishop Lamont then New Boyz anyday. But at the same time I understand that I am in the minority and I realize that these artists will never blow up until they start making commercial trash. What they should be doing instead of trying to get signed and never putting out albums is trying to build an underground fan base of fans like me.
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At the end of the day,In my mind,crooked i,etc should be releasing independant albums and building their fan base.But,its frustrating to watch the coast go nowhere.It lacks true leadership.It lacks a 2pac,a suge someone who can unite the coast and make music together.Wether or not theyget huge or not isnt the point im making.But the best chances of it even having a chance is unity.Ice cube uses this i am the west shit as a gimmick to old fans who are stuckk in the past.How is ice cube the west?Dude does nothing for the coast.And the idiots eat the shit up.
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And as far as teh deep cover goes,well the point is he made the song with him.Snoop dogg got his buzz because dre made a song with him and it got big.Snoop didnt get that buzz on some solo song.
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Look at kanye west and jay z.Jay didnt originally want kanye to rap but in the end he did.He brough kanye to the public with his cosign.And then kanye became a huge a star and now hes the one keeping jay z relevant.He passed the torch and it helped him tremendously.Look at people like bun b constantly working with everyone from the south helping them get put on.hes still relevant and respected by his entire coast.thats the difference.They have to put aside their egos and realize one of these new artist could be a superstar and it would help their own careers.
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this old west new west shit is wack.. i mean is it for exposure? cuz outside of dubcc nobody cares about neither of them or the whatever beef...
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And as far as teh deep cover goes,well the point is he made the song with him.Snoop dogg got his buzz because dre made a song with him and it got big.Snoop didnt get that buzz on some solo song.
That's the point I was making. Because Snoop has actually been making songs with newer rappers and featuring them on his records. But its not really doing anything for them as far as getting them mainstream attention. I guess it's a different kind of industry now.
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And as far as teh deep cover goes,well the point is he made the song with him.Snoop dogg got his buzz because dre made a song with him and it got big.Snoop didnt get that buzz on some solo song.
shiit....... dre thought snoop was tight. he believed in him. the old guys dont believe in the younger artist. and basically why should they??? they sound like a younger version of the old guys. nothing i hear changing the game.
good luck tho
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At the end of the day,In my mind,crooked i,etc should be releasing independant albums and building their fan base.But,its frustrating to watch the coast go nowhere.It lacks true leadership.It lacks a 2pac,a suge someone who can unite the coast and make music together.Wether or not theyget huge or not isnt the point im making.But the best chances of it even having a chance is unity.Ice cube uses this i am the west shit as a gimmick to old fans who are stuckk in the past.How is ice cube the west?Dude does nothing for the coast.And the idiots eat the shit up.
But saying "I Am the West" is vintage Ice Cube. It's an ego thing and don't forget that ego is practically the basis of hip hop. To me, the essence of the hip hop game is a rapper on the mic bragging. It's what Cube has been doing from day one and what defined the rapper during the 90s. You can't expect them to change and suddenly become pansies now that the game has been watered down. As far as a west coast battle legend saying "I Am the West", there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. I would expect nothing less from Cube than for him to come back into the game still claiming to be the best. If he didn't then he wouldn't be Ice Cube anymore, tha nigga you love to hate. It's good to know that Hollywood hasn't changed him.
Think about it this way: if someone takes offense at Cube, its an open invitation for them to step up and prove themselves on the mic. And maybe we could get some classic beef and diss songs out of it. The west coast was built on beef but now all of a sudden people are crying about it? As far as I'm concerned this is a good thing for the west. There's too much crying on blogs and twitter for me, lets get some actual music out of this. And no need for people to get their feelings hurt and play the role of stans or haters. I'll support Cube's album when it drops and if the new west rappers I like ever drop albums, I'll support them as well.
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the way I see it is, if Snoop hadn't gotten any buzz after his appearance on Deep Cover, Dre wouldn't have put him on. Dre put him on one song and it got everyone talking about this dude. That was the incentive for Dre to feature him all over his record. That's why he blew up. In today's music environment, especially with the bias against west coast artists or anyone sounding west coast, Snoop can put a rapper on a song and it won't do shit for their career.
I think half the problem is that west coast music is seen as "old", yet these new west rappers want to carry on the same style and make the same type of music. But the mainstream doesn't want to hear that kind of music anymore. Just look at New Boyz. They are doing someone completely different from what is considered "west coast", and it works for them. As long as west coast artists continue to make music that isn't "hot", they won't get any attention. I don't have a problem with that. I'd rather hear Crooked I or Bishop Lamont then New Boyz anyday. But at the same time I understand that I am in the minority and I realize that these artists will never blow up until they start making commercial trash. What they should be doing instead of trying to get signed and never putting out albums is trying to build an underground fan base of fans like me.
Bishop gave 5 free street albums ???
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jus heard chill said the interview was chopped up and fake...lmao..I KNEW HE WOULD BOW DOWN
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chill is clown, once i heard this nigga lying on videos saying he's signed to intercope to impress a bitch i couldn't take that nigga serious, whats sup with all these west coast niggaz pulling lame stunts for attention, you go perez hilton aka 40 glocc doing his daily blogs about every successful rapper lying about robbing niggaz, seriously does that nigga 40 like any rapper thats getting money hahaha now you got chill saying the interview was edited, nigga you scared, glasses would give that nigga the bizness in a 1 on 1 fade.
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chill is clown, once i heard this nigga lying on videos saying he's signed to intercope to impress a bitch i couldn't take that nigga serious, whats sup with all these west coast niggaz pulling lame stunts for attention, you go perez hilton aka 40 glocc doing his daily blogs about every successful rapper lying about robbing niggaz, seriously does that nigga 40 like any rapper thats getting money hahaha now you got chill saying the interview was edited, nigga you scared, glasses would give that nigga the bizness in a 1 on 1 fade.
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Real TALK..Im bout to post the entire interview....He even goes in and lie and say he punked Mako Capone @ 20 minutes
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Chill getting at these clowns . you cant fucc with the Original westcoast pioneers bro . calm down
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Look at kanye west and jay z.Jay didnt originally want kanye to rap but in the end he did.He brough kanye to the public with his cosign.And then kanye became a huge a star and now hes the one keeping jay z relevant.He passed the torch and it helped him tremendously.Look at people like bun b constantly working with everyone from the south helping them get put on.hes still relevant and respected by his entire coast.thats the difference.They have to put aside their egos and realize one of these new artist could be a superstar and it would help their own careers.
um wrong. jayz didnt even want kanye to rap only to produce but dame was the one who stood by kanyes side and then when kanye starting making noise thats when jayz stepped in and thats a fact that kanye himself will tell you
shit even jayzs verse on kanyes first album is a recycled verse he did years before.
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I already said he didnt want kanye to rap at first idiot.
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Your talking about a coast that is completely stuck in the past.These fans need their fucking hands held by the ogs to be put on to new west artists.
i agree with this 110% "without a famous co-sign, outta site outta mind" yell
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Even a cosign won't do it for you if you are a west coast artist. Look at Bishop with Dre, Glasses with Wayne, Damani with Snoop.
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Even a cosign won't do it for you if you are a west coast artist. Look at Bishop with Dre, Glasses with Wayne, Damani with Snoop.
Yeah that is true. I was just about to post something similar to this. If Snoop is struggling to go gold and Cube as well even though he is indie, what real push will a co sign give some of these other artists? But at the same time it does show unity and support as a whole which is needed IMO. Double edged sword either way.
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I think The Reformation not droppin set the New West movement way back. There's been a few singles from New West artist that saw good airplay but no albums followed. I think a lot of artist r afraid they albums gone flop..This may b the Dues that the OG's speak of. We already know what east and south radio gone do..chances r u won't get many spins after u leave town. I put Politics & Pimpin out myself and sold 10,000 independent on the streets and 16 soundscan. Who really gives a fuck how u get it just get it. LA hip hop is mostly cut throat. Niggas aint ready 2 pass torches on the WestCoast somebody gone have 2 take it. Only time this issue pops up is when some 1 new shows some real potential. Fuck all this New Old West beefin I want 2 C some albums drop. When It comes time 2 tour and promote those records we can C who the haters and suppoters r.
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Even a cosign won't do it for you if you are a west coast artist. Look at Bishop with Dre, Glasses with Wayne, Damani with Snoop.
yeah but they ain't get that with a actual album drop'n,or them taking them with them on they promo tours pump'n em up saying "such and such is coming next" yell
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I already said he didnt want kanye to rap at first idiot.
so why bring up that example when it only proves rapsodies point? kanye had to make a buzz for himself big enough for jayz to believe in him and then he gave him a cosign.
game and snoop has given nipsey cosigns on the radio and had him on tour. dre gave bishop a cosign by signing him. problem got alot of attention and shoutoutsby game and is signed to snoop. game gave jay rock the biggest support ever. snoop has given a cosign to damani bad lucc and all da otha artist on his label while glasses was down with bws and now cash money and still cant make enough noise?
so whos fault is that? shouldnt glasses be upset at cash money for not dropping their albums?
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he was signed to jay zs label and jay featured on his album and made appearances with him.Thats more then a cosign.
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Even a cosign won't do it for you if you are a west coast artist. Look at Bishop with Dre, Glasses with Wayne, Damani with Snoop.
well Bishop's fanbase is bigger now than it was before he signed to aftermath...
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Even a cosign won't do it for you if you are a west coast artist. Look at Bishop with Dre, Glasses with Wayne, Damani with Snoop.
Yeah that is true. I was just about to post something similar to this. If Snoop is struggling to go gold and Cube as well even though he is indie, what real push will a co sign give some of these other artists? But at the same time it does show unity and support as a whole which is needed IMO. Double edged sword either way.
i can tell you exactly what it can do,equals forget when dre dropped that first album on aftermath tho it went plat, it was because dre's name alone and alot of people was saying he fell the fucc off and fucc that nigga pac was right about that nigga, yet he got with eminem and things went bacc in his favor, hell a dope new artist can breath life bacc into a muthafucca, and even dre was thinking about what people was saying "forgot about dre" yell
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I already said he didnt want kanye to rap at first idiot.
so why bring up that example when it only proves rapsodies point? kanye had to make a buzz for himself big enough for jayz to believe in him and then he gave him a cosign.
game and snoop has given nipsey cosigns on the radio and had him on tour. dre gave bishop a cosign by signing him. problem got alot of attention and shoutoutsby game and is signed to snoop. game gave jay rock the biggest support ever. snoop has given a cosign to damani bad lucc and all da otha artist on his label while glasses was down with bws and now cash money and still cant make enough noise?
so whos fault is that? shouldnt glasses be upset at cash money for not dropping their albums?
just signing one to your label is not a co-sign,bringing them along and doing features at big events help more,we live in a time where people really want to say who is that" and oh he really kicc it with such and such i got to checc em out" i mean when dre did that thing with bishop it made people want to get on bishops side even more,but he didn't drop no real product and wasn't seen at no big event and touting as the next great thing, yeah dre spoke on a interview or two but nothing major with the music,plus people still was more interested and hearing dre's beats more so then bishop's rap'n and i'm talking about muthafuccas who go out and buy the records, plus artist got to have that it factor to make all or most attention shift on them,i mean if you do a song with wayne you got to make wayne fans and people who heard the song say "yeah wayne did his thang,but ol boy/girl killed that shit,wayne better sign them cause they gonna be a beast" yell
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he was signed to jay zs label and jay featured on his album and made appearances with him.Thats more then a cosign.
okay lets see here.
bishop - was signed to dr dre and worked with warren g and a few others. the end
jay rock - was on 2 doctors advocate game tours, had game in his video, game produced california soul for him, gave him a public co-sign on camera and on radio, featured on other tde artist songs, had jay rock on a bunch of mixtape songs, had jay rock do cameos in his videos and was on the lax tour, was on power house with game
nipsey - bout to do a song with cube, got a cosign from snoop, was on tour with snoop and did records with snoop, had game cosign him on the radio, was given a song by game which originally was recorded for lax, was featured on red room, was featured on that snoop mixtape, was on the lax tour, was on powerhouse with game
glasses - got a cosign from dr dre himself and had a beat produced by dre, was on the lax tour, asked to sign to bws but he turned it down. released his first mixtape on bws, worked with a few songs with game and other bws artist, mack 10 signed him, done songs with snoop
problem - got a cosign from quik, worked with quik, cosign from snoop and game, works closely with snoop, done songs with snoop and i think is about to record songs with game, was on tour with snoop
i could name more artist like ya boy and shit but i dont need to.
now did jayz or anybody else do anything like that for artist not even signed to their label? imo ice cube has done the least
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I already said he didnt want kanye to rap at first idiot.
so why bring up that example when it only proves rapsodies point? kanye had to make a buzz for himself big enough for jayz to believe in him and then he gave him a cosign.
game and snoop has given nipsey cosigns on the radio and had him on tour. dre gave bishop a cosign by signing him. problem got alot of attention and shoutoutsby game and is signed to snoop. game gave jay rock the biggest support ever. snoop has given a cosign to damani bad lucc and all da otha artist on his label while glasses was down with bws and now cash money and still cant make enough noise?
so whos fault is that? shouldnt glasses be upset at cash money for not dropping their albums?
just signing one to your label is not a co-sign,bringing them along and doing features at big events help more,we live in a time where people really want to say who is that" and oh he really kicc it with such and such i got to checc em out" i mean when dre did that thing with bishop it made people want to get on bishops side even more,but he didn't drop no real product and wasn't seen at no big event and touting as the next great thing, yeah dre spoke on a interview or two but nothing major with the music,plus people still was more interested and hearing dre's beats more so then bishop's rap'n and i'm talking about muthafuccas who go out and buy the records, plus artist got to have that it factor to make all or most attention shift on them,i mean if you do a song with wayne you got to make wayne fans and people who heard the song say "yeah wayne did his thang,but ol boy/girl killed that shit,wayne better sign them cause they gonna be a beast" yell
i never read any of your posts with all due respect
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While I can agree that certain artists have had oppurtunities,the industry isnt like it was when the west was on top and unity is the key for any success in the future.I want to everyone work with everyone and stop all the bullshit bickering.Wether you like it or not the south is on top because of unity.Dissing and negativity get you an initial jump but in the end people just want to hear dope music.In the end thats what its all about.And the music that old west and new west would make together as one coast would trump any music either side is making now.
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While I can agree that certain artists have had oppurtunities,the industry isnt like it was when the west was on top and unity is the key for any success in the future.I want to everyone work with everyone and stop all the bullshit bickering.Wether you like it or not the south is on top because of unity.Dissing and negativity get you an initial jump but in the end people just want to hear dope music.In the end thats what its all about.And the music that old west and new west would make together as one coast would trump any music either side is making now.
thank you!! thats what ive been saying. i have to give you kudos because i agree with alot the points you make when it comes to this subject, if you will.
i think the biggest problem the west coast have is the old mentality that so many fans are stuck in, including this site, which makes it harder for anything new or beyond to succeed.
my point however was that all those artist mentioned can not say that the top dogs aint reaching out cus thats wrong.
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While I can agree that certain artists have had oppurtunities,the industry isnt like it was when the west was on top and unity is the key for any success in the future.I want to everyone work with everyone and stop all the bullshit bickering.Wether you like it or not the south is on top because of unity.Dissing and negativity get you an initial jump but in the end people just want to hear dope music.In the end thats what its all about.And the music that old west and new west would make together as one coast would trump any music either side is making now.
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There's also the possibility that maybe the Old West just doesn't think the New West are talented enought to merit working with. Think about it: in school, would you want to collaborate with someone on a project who you felt wasn't as smart as you? To the point where you had to carry the group. No. You want to be in a group of people who you think are on your level.
Let me ask you -- which members of the New West do you think are at the same level of the Old West in terms of ability to make good music? The Old West can't be haters if they estimate that the new rappers just aren't talented enough to work with.
...Just a thought...
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There's also the possibility that maybe the Old West just doesn't think the New West are talented enought to merit working with. Think about it: in school, would you want to collaborate with someone on a project who you felt wasn't as smart as you? To the point where you had to carry the group. No. You want to be in a group of people who you think are on your level.
Let me ask you -- which members of the New West do you think are at the same level of the Old West in terms of ability to make good music? The Old West can't be haters if they estimate that the new rappers just aren't talented enough to work with.
...Just a thought...
A big part in this phenomenon is musicianship in all forms of the art. When you talk about the old west you have to take into consideration that many of the OGs are real musicians who play live intsruments and not just computer software experts. Then you look at the gangsta phenomenon all this gangsta street credibility stuff has gave the art a mis-reprensentation of the form. N.W.A were street reporters they took the B-boy conscious rap formula from the east coast and morphed it into the scenary of what the west coast was all about it wasn't until snoop came into the picture that the gang bang stuff came into the art and changed it's expression from musicianship into street credibility and blah blah blah. But even snoop has musicianship in his background.
The whole thing now is we need to get back to the art which is about music. We turned musicianship into gangsterism which wasn't what was done in the beginning. Gangstas don't have no business trying to be musicians and musicians don't have no business trying to be gangsters. N.W.A, above the law,CMW,DJ quik were musicians who were street reporters not gangs bangers. We need to get back to being musicians and this way we will get better music and more artful expressions.
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Wow this thread is turned up.... The older artist should extend hands to the younger generation to show appreciation and admiration of the youth for keeping what they started alive..point blank...This shit is jus like gangs..If you dont hand down the jewels to the younger homies.. whos gonna keep the hood alive when the OG's are too old....
Now @ SHAKA ZULU BIG MAN...Real gangsters are suppose to rap if they have the skill and the drive to do it.. Getting the information first hand from a real gangster is better than the opinion of a ghetto reporter.. Most of you will never understand cuz yall aint living thru this struggle that we living....
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they mad cube got a dope single thats buzzin...and they have....well nuthin and they been doin this for years....lol
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Wow this thread is turned up.... The older artist should extend hands to the younger generation to show appreciation and admiration of the youth for keeping what they started alive..point blank...This shit is jus like gangs..If you dont hand down the jewels to the younger homies.. whos gonna keep the hood alive when the OG's are too old....
Now @ SHAKA ZULU BIG MAN...Real gangsters are suppose to rap if they have the skill and the drive to do it.. Getting the information first hand from a real gangster is better than the opinion of a ghetto reporter.. Most of you will never understand cuz yall aint living thru this struggle that we living....
Everyone right now is living through a struggle. It ain't just the gangsta or the wanna be or the square or even an individual who has millions of dollars. Economiclly everybody is going through ordeals because we are in a transition state as far as what the powers that be want to see this nation go through. It's all about balance. This hip hop from the embryo stages wasn't about capital or the industry it was about expression of self because during the early 80s reganomics entered the picture and took many social programs from the ghetto as a result the art of hip hop music ushered in.
Again it's balance. With gantgsta rap you had N.W.A, Ice T ,above the law etc who reported the gangsta lifestyle.
A lot of stories were from real gangstas perspectives but it was done with artistic expression and nobody at that time said I am from this gang or that gang it was all third person stories perfomed as if the MC was sylvester stallone or Arnold swarzneggar etc. This made it entertainment and it also told the story of what was going on in the west coast. Now when snoop came in talking about crip this and that this is when real gangstas was like wait a minute these fools is talking about my life style and my struggle. They were like I should do this as well because I can tell the story better that he can. So as a result the real street nigga karmiclly got his chance because of the law. Many west coast rappers started perpentrating and law is the real gangstas deserved a chance.
But now looking at the balance you have too many who are trying to do it who don't have the natural talent necessary to deliver rap phenomenon's on a N.W.A ICE T level. So as you see in this present time this music thang ain't selling it ain't making every and everybody rich anymore, The music consumer is broke and as a result it's going back to the art which is musicianship. If you have talent as a real street gangsta in music go for it but if it ain't your thing that you know how to do best leave it for the individual who is superior in that line of work. Bagalamukhi!
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SEE WESTSIDE 159 HERE.. EXPOSED
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alot of what you say rapsodie is true,but come on my equal it's a new time, plus people got to start from somewhere,us as fans got to stop acting stucc up,as well as label heads and established rappers,cube ain't trying to put nobody on his label so it's cool,but just minimizing every artist cause they aren't nationally known is stupid and that's what this coast does a lil too much, i mean it's alot of south rappers we ain't know of yet they get put on and have at least one hit and alot started out on the net or lil talent shows,so fucc that mentality, if shit is dope it's dope, i think alot of fans out here and rappers who've had modest success swear they are fucc'n dr dre with the "it got to sound like this,cd quality,did he do a song with snoop etc" that's bullshit,and who cares where you know these people from,hell j.cole came off myspace as well as b.o.b. who has the number 1 record in the country, shit is funny that mainly only the west seems to think shit is a bad thing, equals need to get off they high muthafucc'n horses and checc out shit from here yell
I feel you on that...
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There's also the possibility that maybe the Old West just doesn't think the New West are talented enought to merit working with. Think about it: in school, would you want to collaborate with someone on a project who you felt wasn't as smart as you? To the point where you had to carry the group. No. You want to be in a group of people who you think are on your level.
Let me ask you -- which members of the New West do you think are at the same level of the Old West in terms of ability to make good music? The Old West can't be haters if they estimate that the new rappers just aren't talented enough to work with.
...Just a thought...
A big part in this phenomenon is musicianship in all forms of the art. When you talk about the old west you have to take into consideration that many of the OGs are real musicians who play live intsruments and not just computer software experts. Then you look at the gangsta phenomenon all this gangsta street credibility stuff has gave the art a mis-reprensentation of the form. N.W.A were street reporters they took the B-boy conscious rap formula from the east coast and morphed it into the scenary of what the west coast was all about it wasn't until snoop came into the picture that the gang bang stuff came into the art and changed it's expression from musicianship into street credibility and blah blah blah. But even snoop has musicianship in his background.
The whole thing now is we need to get back to the art which is about music. We turned musicianship into gangsterism which wasn't what was done in the beginning. Gangstas don't have no business trying to be musicians and musicians don't have no business trying to be gangsters. N.W.A, above the law,CMW,DJ quik were musicians who were street reporters not gangs bangers. We need to get back to being musicians and this way we will get better music and more artful expressions.
i don't know barry white and jakie wilson was gangstas and great musicians and performers, it's all about making good music, and you can't say just cause someone is a gangsta they shouldn't be a musician! i think the gangsta stories are not done enough these days, the og's had crazy stories and they shit had a message to it,i don't hear that much today yell
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There's also the possibility that maybe the Old West just doesn't think the New West are talented enought to merit working with. Think about it: in school, would you want to collaborate with someone on a project who you felt wasn't as smart as you? To the point where you had to carry the group. No. You want to be in a group of people who you think are on your level.
Let me ask you -- which members of the New West do you think are at the same level of the Old West in terms of ability to make good music? The Old West can't be haters if they estimate that the new rappers just aren't talented enough to work with.
...Just a thought...
A big part in this phenomenon is musicianship in all forms of the art. When you talk about the old west you have to take into consideration that many of the OGs are real musicians who play live intsruments and not just computer software experts. Then you look at the gangsta phenomenon all this gangsta street credibility stuff has gave the art a mis-reprensentation of the form. N.W.A were street reporters they took the B-boy conscious rap formula from the east coast and morphed it into the scenary of what the west coast was all about it wasn't until snoop came into the picture that the gang bang stuff came into the art and changed it's expression from musicianship into street credibility and blah blah blah. But even snoop has musicianship in his background.
The whole thing now is we need to get back to the art which is about music. We turned musicianship into gangsterism which wasn't what was done in the beginning. Gangstas don't have no business trying to be musicians and musicians don't have no business trying to be gangsters. N.W.A, above the law,CMW,DJ quik were musicians who were street reporters not gangs bangers. We need to get back to being musicians and this way we will get better music and more artful expressions.
i don't know barry white and jakie wilson was gangstas and great musicians and performers, it's all about making good music, and you can't say just cause someone is a gangsta they shouldn't be a musician! i think the gangsta stories are not done enough these days, the og's had crazy stories and they shit had a message to it,i don't hear that much today yell
The game has changed. It always is changing and evolving but right now it's too popppy and too main stream and being gangsta or not doesn't really have anything to do with it. Just like Rock and Hard rock from chuck berry to jimi hendrix soon as the main stream get a hold of the sound it's time to move on. Just like gangsta rap now I mean everybody from compton to paris thinks they know about gangsterism from the popularity of gangsta rap. Shit is at a stand still because it's time to innovate again and we must remember this is still music we are doing and there comes a point to where the context of gangsta stories get's played out with the mass music consumer. What got their attention with N.W.A from the inception was the shock value. Right now there ain't no more shock value in the form of gangsta rap. I mean how many ways can you explain growing up in the hood smoking weed going to prison fucking a 100 hos etc etc etc....
The thang now economiclly in this business is the internet was a great ally in the beginning but now it's a enemy especially for independent artist and now with the economy struggling there aren't that many loyal consumers who have 5-10 dollars to buy the material like you once did. So you turn to main stream and this relam is ran strictly by politics and maybe 1 or 2 talent driven acts who they feel will crossover and sell in the main stream. The thing right now is innovation if you can event something that nobody has ever seen you will make a impact in this game but right now with t economics in the condition it's in how is a independent underground gansta artist goin to sell when you got 100,000 thousand clones all sounding just alike.
Naw it don't matter if you a gangtsa or whatever.... if you have talent in this craft you will stand out and innovate but the criteria isn't who's the hardest street nigga or who got the most gangsta credibility. When there ain't no money it goes back to the art and love and this is the direction the rap music game is going.
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i can braille that, and also the fake rappers are usually the ones who go out of there way to make em seem like they keep it networth,they'll get a lil charge and make it seem like they did the longest bid, like when game went to jail for like 7 days the way he spoke about it you'd think he did 7 years!
i can hear mako capone rap and even tho i don't know him i can tell he keep'n it 110% networth,but then i hear lets say a young bucc and i'm like he might have hung with some real one's and did some minor shit but he ain't real like that,but he'll go on a tirade how he's the realist equal in the game and fans not in the know eat that shit up. shit is personally disgusting to me,i wish they would just say i'm doing this shit for entertainment purposes only, i mean that's what i do,cause networth street shit that i would get into i'd leave it in streets,ain't got to let fans know everything i do especially if it's shit that could get a equal locc'd up braille me yell
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Yeah Chill makes some cool beats