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Lifestyle => Tha G-Spot => Topic started by: universe on May 08, 2010, 04:12:25 AM
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1. 07 - Sweet.mp3 (ERITREAN VERSION) - STREAM (http://usershare.net/09vzmbnu8z97)
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http://www.youtube.com/v/sNCNq2PdSKc&hl=en_US&fs=1
http://www.youtube.com/v/iUmsLK-Hr58&hl=en_US&fs=1
http://www.youtube.com/v/WM1RChZk1EU&hl=en_US&fs=1
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Say it ain't so!
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Kain finally saw the light.. best discography in hip hop.
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Kain finally saw the light.. best discography in hip hop.
LOL......best joke I heard all day.
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:'(
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Jay-Z is dope, but those aren't the songs I would choose to represent his career
http://www.youtube.com/v/0UjsXo9l6I8
http://www.youtube.com/v/MjJlRNjvnR8
http://www.youtube.com/v/V4zHfMK5aiE
http://www.youtube.com/v/WwoM5fLITfk
http://www.youtube.com/v/tcdl1NImsuk
http://www.youtube.com/v/re0zFRfRXu0
http://www.youtube.com/v/WZ-tqRzenPQ
http://www.youtube.com/v/BmsAw7xrcKM
http://www.youtube.com/v/zxtn6-XQupM
http://www.youtube.com/v/naQQMM4XH68
http://www.youtube.com/v/aZLXt3KGTBI
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^NOT REALLY INTO HIS OLD STUFF, MAYBE A SONG OR TWO.
I REALLY STARTED LISTENING TO HIM AFTER THIS REMIXED VERSION OF AMERICAN GANGSTER. (http://www.epiff.com/crack-music/jay-z-the-eritrean-gangster/)
ONE OF THE PIFFIEST ALBUMS I'VE EVER DOWNLOADED.
HAS THE MOST PLAYS ON MY IPHONE.
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You're missing out, his best shit is the old shit
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You're missing out, his best shit is the old shit
I TRIED LISTENING TO REASONABLE DOUBT, MAYBE I'LL GIVE IT ANOTHER LISTEN.
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You're missing out, his best shit is the old shit
I TRIED LISTENING TO REASONABLE DOUBT, MAYBE I'LL GIVE IT ANOTHER LISTEN.
Life is too short to be wasted on bullshit like that, Kain.
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You're missing out, his best shit is the old shit
I TRIED LISTENING TO REASONABLE DOUBT, MAYBE I'LL GIVE IT ANOTHER LISTEN.
dont even bother.
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heres a sample:
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/CqKJJx4sJPs
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Kain finally saw the light.. best discography in hip hop.
LOL......best joke I heard all day.
I know your humor is better than that, Siko.
I fail to see you mentioning an alternative?
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Lol @ jay having the best discog. He's had one great album, one good album, and the rest varying between mediocre and ass.
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Lol @ jay having the best discog. He's had one great album, one good album, and the rest varying between mediocre and ass.
have you actually listened to his albums?
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IT'S STILL
CAM'S DISCOGRAPHY > JAY'S
ALL DAY
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IF CAM WASN'T SO IGNORANT HIM AND DAMON DASH COULD HAVE BUILT SOMETHING BIGGER THAN ROC.
http://www.youtube.com/v/CnhUYWbW3jQ&hl=en_US&fs=1
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Kain finally saw the light.. best discography in hip hop.
Seriously?
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My heart breaks with this thread.
:'(
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Kain finally saw the light.. best discography in hip hop.
LOL......best joke I heard all day.
I know your humor is better than that, Siko.
I fail to see you mentioning an alternative?
OK.....just off the top of the dome without even thinking about it: Nas, Quik, Cube and Eminem.....shit, even Ludacris (and I don't even really like the guy) have discographies that shit all over Jay's (in terms of main stream). Even his best work Reasonable Doubt is overrated since all he did was do his best Biggie impersonation on that album.
Jay-Z a media darling, plain and simple, and you (and a lot of others) bought the hype. I respect Jay for his business accumen and he is the best rapper ever at marketing his own music. But you gotta be kidding me with that "best discog in hip hop" shit.
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I MADE THE MOVE 2 DARKNESS A FEW MONTHS AGO 2,,
GOOD CHOICE NIGGA
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damn...forgot how dope the black album truly is
http://www.youtube.com/v/-pJFdngG1DE
http://www.youtube.com/v/3vD7cWVDfV8
http://www.youtube.com/v/cxQIKmtX5k8
http://www.youtube.com/v/kiF1dXopPBo
http://www.youtube.com/v/4cY0J9anPqs
http://www.youtube.com/v/RFcEc-UqppQ
http://www.youtube.com/v/6fwQQ5UrSAY
http://www.youtube.com/v/Fl5OovFrYzc
http://www.youtube.com/v/nnedARQGOPM
http://www.youtube.com/v/UIJjK3IV3E0
http://www.youtube.com/v/ug3bS8HnkZw
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Kain finally saw the light.. best discography in hip hop.
LOL......best joke I heard all day.
I know your humor is better than that, Siko.
I fail to see you mentioning an alternative?
OK.....just off the top of the dome without even thinking about it: Nas, Quik, Cube and Eminem.....shit, even Ludacris (and I don't even really like the guy) have discographies that shit all over Jay's (in terms of main stream). Even his best work Reasonable Doubt is overrated since all he did was do his best Biggie impersonation on that album.
Jay-Z a media darling, plain and simple, and you (and a lot of others) bought the hype. I respect Jay for his business accumen and he is the best rapper ever at marketing his own music. But you gotta be kidding me with that "best discog in hip hop" shit.
Ludacris? Quik? Fuck outta here. Nas's discography is about as consistent as Jays. A few great, mostly good, and a couple that are wack. Illmatic >> any Jay record. But Reasonable Doubt, Black Album and Blueprint are all better than the rest of Nas's albums.
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Hell yeah Quik's discography shits all over Jay's.
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Hell yeah Quik's discography shits all over Jay's.
Quik's discography shits period. Quilk got beats but he can't rap to save his life.
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Jay has 4 albums that are fucking dope.
The rest is mostly filled with allot of mainstream crap.
He has some dope quotables but his albums are mostly carried on the beats.
We can posts dope songs all day but there are still terrible tracks like:
http://www.youtube.com/v/h9YPb5yoJpk
http://www.youtube.com/v/E1nbvplgElw
http://www.youtube.com/v/FS4U-HAHwps
http://www.youtube.com/v/e3dBAQStSKQ
And so on.
All systematically created tracks for the radio.
I can probably name 10 other BK mc's with a better discography
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Hell yeah Quik's discography shits all over Jay's.
Quik's discography shits period. Quilk got beats but he can't rap to save his life.
I'm talking overall quality, not just lyrically.
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Hell yeah Quik's discography shits all over Jay's.
Quik's discography shits period. Quilk got beats but he can't rap to save his life.
I'm talking overall quality, not just lyrically.
I'll have to sell on that one. Imo quik can't carry a whole album by himself
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i dont give a fuck what anyone else says, Jiggas discog is top 5 easy...like someone else said, Reasonable Doubt, The Blueprint and The Black Album put him above 90% of anyone who's ever released anything imo
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i dont give a fuck what anyone else says, Jiggas discog is top 5 easy...like someone else said, Reasonable Doubt, The Blueprint and The Black Album put him above 90% of anyone who's ever released anything imo
Discography means the entire catalog so all the pop albums he released make it impossible for him to have a top 5 discography.
Those 3 Albums you mentioned + american gangster are great but the rest keeps it far from the best discography.
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i dont give a fuck what anyone else says, Jiggas discog is top 5 easy...like someone else said, Reasonable Doubt, The Blueprint and The Black Album put him above 90% of anyone who's ever released anything imo
Discography means the entire catalog so all the pop albums he released make it impossible for him to have a top 5 discography.
Those 3 Albums you mentioned + american gangster are great but the rest keeps it far from the best discography.
i didnt say the best, i said top 5 ;)
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i dont give a fuck what anyone else says, Jiggas discog is top 5 easy...like someone else said, Reasonable Doubt, The Blueprint and The Black Album put him above 90% of anyone who's ever released anything imo
Discography means the entire catalog so all the pop albums he released make it impossible for him to have a top 5 discography.
Those 3 Albums you mentioned + american gangster are great but the rest keeps it far from the best discography.
Exactly. For every decent album Jay has made, he has two shitty albums.
That doesn't sound like a good discography to me.
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\i dont give a fuck what anyone else says, Jiggas discog is top 5 easy...like someone else said, Reasonable Doubt, The Blueprint and The Black Album put him above 90% of anyone who's ever released anything imo
Discography means the entire catalog so all the pop albums he released make it impossible for him to have a top 5 discography.
Those 3 Albums you mentioned + american gangster are great but the rest keeps it far from the best discography.
Exactly. For every decent album Jay has made, he has two shitty albums.
That doesn't sound like a good discography to me.
That's silly. He's put out some solid work through the years. Sure he has some misses, but no rapper is without some lame shit. But to say for every good album he puts out two shitty ones, still equals a volume of good work. Tha'ts better than someone who puts out one good album and dissapears.
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OK.....just off the top of the dome without even thinking about it: Nas, Quik, Cube and Eminem.....shit, even Ludacris (and I don't even really like the guy) have discographies that shit all over Jay's (in terms of main stream). Even his best work Reasonable Doubt is overrated since all he did was do his best Biggie impersonation on that album.
Jay-Z a media darling, plain and simple, and you (and a lot of others) bought the hype. I respect Jay for his business accumen and he is the best rapper ever at marketing his own music. But you gotta be kidding me with that "best discog in hip hop" shit.
Ludacris? Quik? Fuck outta here. Nas's discography is about as consistent as Jays. A few great, mostly good, and a couple that are wack. Illmatic >> any Jay record. But Reasonable Doubt, Black Album and Blueprint are all better than the rest of Nas's albums.
Word.. Ludacris can't make a dope coherent album if his life depends on it, he got 3-5 bangers on each album, but he's just like Jada; kills every guest spot, and then sells totally out on each album he puts out.
Quik I'm not even gonna discuss, Nas can be considered.. he's not far behind Jay, but Nas' horrible beat-selections (he even admits it himself) puts him behind Jay. Nas needs musical direction, there's no doubting his skills though.
Cube & Em can be argued, but I think we can say that Cube, Em, Jay, Nas, all have been inconsistent.. more a matter of taste, which one you prefer.
i dont give a fuck what anyone else says, Jiggas discog is top 5 easy...like someone else said, Reasonable Doubt, The Blueprint and The Black Album put him above 90% of anyone who's ever released anything imo
True story.
Jay has 4 albums that are fucking dope.
How many other rappers can you name, with more than 4 "fucking dope" albums?
Hell, any other genre for that matter.. it sure as hell ain't common.
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Lol @ jay having the best discog. He's had one great album, one good album, and the rest varying between mediocre and ass.
have you actually listened to his albums?
Bought everything thru the black album which is when he was last listenable...And that album is grossly overrated...peeps look at the production lineup and overate it off top.
And I was buying all of those albums at the time when they were actually dropping and compared to other albums dropping at that time Jay's weren't really standing out.
Like he has of course had some great singles an shit, but as far as hip hop discogs go, Jay may not even be top 20. He's got Reasonable Doubt and Blueprint which are dope, but the other albums are very forgetable.
Jay didn't get his spot until 2Pac and Biggie died. He jacked Biggies lines, sucked some Jew dick and bam him and all the media called him the greatest and people bought into it.
Peace
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Jay's discography is very similar to Snoop Dogg's. There are a some classics in there, but at the same time there are some shitty albums. Both have had huge valley and peaks. I mean The Blueprint was inbetween maybe Jay-Z's worst albums, were as Snoop's worst album (The Game is to Be Sold Not Told) was during a period were Snoop was actually putting out good music. Neither artist is consistent and you line up their CDs, it's pretty obvious that they both have watered down their quality so they can put out quantity. If Good Ass Job reaches half the potential that it has with all the artist working on it, I'd put Kanye's discography over both Snoop's and Jay's discography.
Jay-Z:
Reasonable Doubt... Nice debut, almost classic
In My Life, Vol. 1... average
Vol. 2... Hard Knock Life... C+
Vol. 3... Life and Times of Sean Carter... average
The Dynasty: Roc La Familia... trash
The Blueprint... CLASSIC
The Blueprint 2: The Gift and the Curse... garbage
The Black Album... very nice, 4.5 mics
Kingdom Come... non memorable/average
American Gangster... B+
The Blueprint 3... pretty good
Snoop Dogg:
Doggystyle... classic
Doggfather... above average
The Game is to be Sold, Not Told... shit
No Limit Top Dogg... near classic
The Last Meal... B+
Paid the Cost to Be the Bo$$... nothing special
R&G Rhythm and Gangsta... garbage
The Blue Carpet Treatment... Straight up hot
Ego Trippin'... trash
Malice and Wonderland... average
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Lol @ jay having the best discog. He's had one great album, one good album, and the rest varying between mediocre and ass.
have you actually listened to his albums?
Bought everything thru the black album which is when he was last listenable...And that album is grossly overrated...peeps look at the production lineup and overate it off top.
And I was buying all of those albums at the time when they were actually dropping and compared to other albums dropping at that time Jay's weren't really standing out.
Like he has of course had some great singles an shit, but as far as hip hop discogs go, Jay may not even be top 20. He's got Reasonable Doubt and Blueprint which are dope, but the other albums are very forgetable.
Jay didn't get his spot until 2Pac and Biggie died. He jacked Biggies lines, sucked some Jew dick and bam him and all the media called him the greatest and people bought into it.
Peace
Couldn't have been said better. It's good to see that some people on Dubcc still have their own opinions and don't repeat what the media tells you to believe.
And M Dogg is on point too. Completely forgot about Kanye's discography. Better than Jay's by far.
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Lol @ jay having the best discog. He's had one great album, one good album, and the rest varying between mediocre and ass.
have you actually listened to his albums?
Bought everything thru the black album which is when he was last listenable...And that album is grossly overrated...peeps look at the production lineup and overate it off top.
And I was buying all of those albums at the time when they were actually dropping and compared to other albums dropping at that time Jay's weren't really standing out.
Like he has of course had some great singles an shit, but as far as hip hop discogs go, Jay may not even be top 20. He's got Reasonable Doubt and Blueprint which are dope, but the other albums are very forgetable.
Jay didn't get his spot until 2Pac and Biggie died. He jacked Biggies lines, sucked some Jew dick and bam him and all the media called him the greatest and people bought into it.
Peace
Couldn't have been said better. It's good to see that some people on Dubcc still have their own opinions and don't repeat what the media tells you to believe.
And M Dogg is on point too. Completely forgot about Kanye's discography. Better than Jay's by far.
Hell yeah, other than 808, Kanye has put out nothing but at least 4.5 mic quality. 808 was to be expected by any artist eventually, but Good Ass Job has Q-Tip, Pete Rock and RZA all lined up to help pitch in, so it looks like another album of at least 4.5 quality from Kanye. I'm almost, ALMOST willing to say Kanye's discography is lining up to Dr. Dre, if you include N.W.A. to Dr. Dre's. (Which I do personally be I consider Dre a producer so since he produced N.W.A. I think of their albums as his)
Others better than Jay.
Nas, Cube and Em like my man Sikotic said are light years ahead of Jay
Scarface
Rakim
T.I.
oh yeah, and my man Common (only one bad album I can think of off the top of my head)
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Funny enough I was just about to bring up the snoop comparison.Aint no way in hell jay z has the best discography or is the best rapper.hes a pop artist and has a penchant for hit singles.but he has no depth to his music whatsoever.Its shallow.Nas shows more purpose in his career with one verse then jay does in his entire career.Hell snoops got doggystyle,last meal,blue carpet treatmen,no limit top dogg,doggfather.All dope albums.But half of hios other albums are trash.The same for jay z.Half his albums are trash and the other good.Its media fabricated that jay z is the greatest.Nobody said that shit until he did.Just like NOBODY said reasonable doubt was classic until jay z started telling everyone it was classic.Then all of a sudden everyones sayings its classicI give jay z credit for his longevity and his hits but Ive never been moved by a jay z song.It was always,damn that beat is hot!
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Hey bring this hip hop tnb mumbo jumbo to the outbounds connection. *Waits for enyce to enter thread and orgasm*
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Lol @ jay having the best discog. He's had one great album, one good album, and the rest varying between mediocre and ass.
have you actually listened to his albums?
Bought everything thru the black album which is when he was last listenable...And that album is grossly overrated...peeps look at the production lineup and overate it off top.
And I was buying all of those albums at the time when they were actually dropping and compared to other albums dropping at that time Jay's weren't really standing out.
Like he has of course had some great singles an shit, but as far as hip hop discogs go, Jay may not even be top 20. He's got Reasonable Doubt and Blueprint which are dope, but the other albums are very forgetable.
Jay didn't get his spot until 2Pac and Biggie died. He jacked Biggies lines, sucked some Jew dick and bam him and all the media called him the greatest and people bought into it.
Peace
Couldn't have been said better. It's good to see that some people on Dubcc still have their own opinions and don't repeat what the media tells you to believe.
And M Dogg is on point too. Completely forgot about Kanye's discography. Better than Jay's by far.
Hell yeah, other than 808, Kanye has put out nothing but at least 4.5 mic quality. 808 was to be expected by any artist eventually, but Good Ass Job has Q-Tip, Pete Rock and RZA all lined up to help pitch in, so it looks like another album of at least 4.5 quality from Kanye. I'm almost, ALMOST willing to say Kanye's discography is lining up to Dr. Dre, if you include N.W.A. to Dr. Dre's. (Which I do personally be I consider Dre a producer so since he produced N.W.A. I think of their albums as his)
Others better than Jay.
Nas, Cube and Em like my man Sikotic said are light years ahead of Jay
Scarface
Rakim
T.I.
oh yeah, and my man Common (only one bad album I can think of off the top of my head)
lets be honest, t.i. swagger jacked jay-z's whole style and flow. so please dont.
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Lol @ jay having the best discog. He's had one great album, one good album, and the rest varying between mediocre and ass.
have you actually listened to his albums?
Bought everything thru the black album which is when he was last listenable...And that album is grossly overrated...peeps look at the production lineup and overate it off top.
And I was buying all of those albums at the time when they were actually dropping and compared to other albums dropping at that time Jay's weren't really standing out.
Like he has of course had some great singles an shit, but as far as hip hop discogs go, Jay may not even be top 20. He's got Reasonable Doubt and Blueprint which are dope, but the other albums are very forgetable.
Jay didn't get his spot until 2Pac and Biggie died. He jacked Biggies lines, sucked some Jew dick and bam him and all the media called him the greatest and people bought into it.
Peace
Couldn't have been said better. It's good to see that some people on Dubcc still have their own opinions and don't repeat what the media tells you to believe.
And M Dogg is on point too. Completely forgot about Kanye's discography. Better than Jay's by far.
Hell yeah, other than 808, Kanye has put out nothing but at least 4.5 mic quality. 808 was to be expected by any artist eventually, but Good Ass Job has Q-Tip, Pete Rock and RZA all lined up to help pitch in, so it looks like another album of at least 4.5 quality from Kanye. I'm almost, ALMOST willing to say Kanye's discography is lining up to Dr. Dre, if you include N.W.A. to Dr. Dre's. (Which I do personally be I consider Dre a producer so since he produced N.W.A. I think of their albums as his)
Others better than Jay.
Nas, Cube and Em like my man Sikotic said are light years ahead of Jay
Scarface
Rakim
T.I.
oh yeah, and my man Common (only one bad album I can think of off the top of my head)
lets be honest, t.i. swagger jacked jay-z's whole style and flow. so please dont.
Maybe... but is discography is more consistent. Jay is getting out Jay'd by someone who swagger jacked him. Jay swagger jacked BIG, couldn't do it as well, TI swagger jacked Jay and did it better than Jay.
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i dont give a fuck what anyone else says, Jiggas discog is top 5 easy...like someone else said, Reasonable Doubt, The Blueprint and The Black Album put him above 90% of anyone who's ever released anything imo
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lol @ people comparing Jay-Z's discography to Snoops. Snoop has a horrible discography. Only one classic and a couple that are above average at best. The rest are trash. Jay-Z's discography is more similar to Nas. Either you are underrating Jay's music or overrated Nas's. Nastradamus is worse than any Jay-Z album.
TI? Lol. Come back when TI has released a couple classics. He doesn't even have one.
Is Jay-Z's discography Top 5? Fuck no. But it's better than most rappers. Face it, y'all are butthurt that he's become the biggest name in hip hop. Is he the greatest lyricist? Hell no. Nas is clearly the better lyricist. But as far as music goes, the consistency of their music is on the same level.
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lol @ people comparing Jay-Z's discography to Snoops. Snoop has a horrible discography. Only one classic and a couple that are above average at best. The rest are trash. Jay-Z's discography is more similar to Nas. Either you are underrating Jay's music or overrated Nas's. Nastradamus is worse than any Jay-Z album.
TI? Lol. Come back when TI has released a couple classics. He doesn't even have one.
Is Jay-Z's discography Top 5? Fuck no. But it's better than most rappers. Face it, y'all are butthurt that he's become the biggest name in hip hop. Is he the greatest lyricist? Hell no. Nas is clearly the better lyricist. But as far as music goes, the consistency of their music is on the same level.
couldnt of said it any better myself my equal, yell
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Snoop does have a horrible discography...........just like Jay-Z. M Dogg broke it down lovely album-by-album.
And Nastradamus may be worse than any Jay-Z album, but Illmatic is better than any Jay-Z album so it just cancels out.
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reasonable doubt was good,vol 1-3 were all average,blueprint was classic,blueptrint 2 was average,dynasty was good,black album was debatebly classic,kingdome come was below average,american gangster was good and blue print 3 was below average.
Now lets compare snoop.
doggystyle was classic,doggfather was good,da game was trash,no limit top dogg was good,tha last meal was good,paid tha cost was average,r and g was below average,blue carpet was good,ego trippin was below average and malice in wonderland was below average.
Both artists are known for their singles and styles.Both artists have shallow lyrics that dont show any growth over their careers.
i dont knw about about you but thats pretty comparable to me.
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lol @ people comparing Jay-Z's discography to Snoops. Snoop has a horrible discography. Only one classic and a couple that are above average at best. The rest are trash. Jay-Z's discography is more similar to Nas. Either you are underrating Jay's music or overrated Nas's. Nastradamus is worse than any Jay-Z album.
TI? Lol. Come back when TI has released a couple classics. He doesn't even have one.
Is Jay-Z's discography Top 5? Fuck no. But it's better than most rappers. Face it, y'all are butthurt that he's become the biggest name in hip hop. Is he the greatest lyricist? Hell no. Nas is clearly the better lyricist. But as far as music goes, the consistency of their music is on the same level.
Jay and Snoop are exactly who has similar discography. They both have watered down their albums for the sake of having something out, in Jay's case every single Fall every year for 8 years, and for Snoop whenever he feels like it.
Snoop's Classic:
Doggystyle
Jay's Classic:
Blueprint
Snoop's best albums:
Doggfather
No Limit Top Dogg
The Last Meal
The Blue Carpet Treatment
Jay's best albums:
Reasonable Doubt
Vol. 2
The Black Album
American Gangsta
Blueprint 3
Snoop's average albums:
Paid the Cost to be the Bo$$
Malice and Wonderland
Jay's average albums:
Vol. 1
Vol. 3
Kingdom Come
Snoop's Trash:
The Game is to be Sold Not Told
R&G: Rhythm and Gangsta
Ego Trippin'
Jay's Trash:
Tha Dynasty
Blueprint 2
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^haha dynasty was damn near classic my ninja, yell.
i doubt any of you guys have actually taken the time to listen to his whole discog to even comment.
i grew up listening to jay since vol.2 so he's a personal fav of mine, only album i didnt like of his was american gangster, those beats were trash, but luckily i stumbled upon Remot's remix album and that album is like a fucking classic now in my eyes, great production.
snoop has also had a great discog, but not as much great material or as consistent as jay.
everyone seems to hate on jay cuz they are either nas groupies or they have only heard this gen jay, yes jay got 'ethered' but look at where that dumb muthafucka nas is now. his laziness and stupid decisions ethered his career.
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Um no.I own most of jays albums.Ive seen him in concert a couple times.People just bought into this media created hype that hes somehow the greatest and his discography is flawless.He isnt and it isnt.Hes flawed and discography is inconsistent at best.He always gets credited for setting trends and all this shit.But take a step back from standom and what great trends did he create?What,people dont wear throwbacks anymore?The fact is when he came into the game the rap game was in a much better place and then he helped usher in the money rules bling era.His music is shallow and has no real depth.Sure ill throw on dirt on my shoulder and bob my head its a dope joint but thats as far as it goes.I always loved when jay gets criticised people bring up his do you fools listen to music or just skim through it line.Well guess what jay,people are listening and you have nothing noteworthy of being said.Jay is a great business man and has a penchant for making hit singles.He doesnt have the greatest bars,his flow isnt the best,his voice isnt the best and his content is repetitive.greatest rapper,not by a fucking longshot.
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lol @ people comparing Jay-Z's discography to Snoops. Snoop has a horrible discography. Only one classic and a couple that are above average at best. The rest are trash. Jay-Z's discography is more similar to Nas. Either you are underrating Jay's music or overrated Nas's. Nastradamus is worse than any Jay-Z album.
TI? Lol. Come back when TI has released a couple classics. He doesn't even have one.
Is Jay-Z's discography Top 5? Fuck no. But it's better than most rappers. Face it, y'all are butthurt that he's become the biggest name in hip hop. Is he the greatest lyricist? Hell no. Nas is clearly the better lyricist. But as far as music goes, the consistency of their music is on the same level.
Jay and Snoop are exactly who has similar discography. They both have watered down their albums for the sake of having something out, in Jay's case every single Fall every year for 8 years, and for Snoop whenever he feels like it.
Snoop's Classic:
Doggystyle
Jay's Classic:
Blueprint
Snoop's best albums:
Doggfather
No Limit Top Dogg
The Last Meal
The Blue Carpet Treatment
Jay's best albums:
Reasonable Doubt
Vol. 2
The Black Album
American Gangsta
Blueprint 3
Snoop's average albums:
Paid the Cost to be the Bo$$
Malice and Wonderland
Jay's average albums:
Vol. 1
Vol. 3
Kingdom Come
Snoop's Trash:
The Game is to be Sold Not Told
R&G: Rhythm and Gangsta
Ego Trippin'
Jay's Trash:
Tha Dynasty
Blueprint 2
lol...that comparison isn't even close to correct. Looking at your ranking Jay-Z's "best albums" shit on Snoop's best albums. Jay-Z's "average" albums shit on Snoop's "average" albums. And smh at you thinking Blueprint 3 is better than Vol 1 or 2, or that Malice n Wonderland was anything better than terrible.
By the way, here's Nas for comparison using your ranking
Nas classic
Illmatic
Nas best
Stillmatic
Gods Son
It Was Written
Untitled
Nas average
Hip Hop is Dead
Street's Disciple
Nas trash
I Am
Nastradamus
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Um no.I own most of jays albums.Ive seen him in concert a couple times.People just bought into this media created hype that hes somehow the greatest and his discography is flawless.He isnt and it isnt.Hes flawed and discography is inconsistent at best.He always gets credited for setting trends and all this shit.But take a step back from standom and what great trends did he create?What,people dont wear throwbacks anymore?The fact is when he came into the game the rap game was in a much better place and then he helped usher in the money rules bling era.His music is shallow and has no real depth.Sure ill throw on dirt on my shoulder and bob my head its a dope joint but thats as far as it goes.I always loved when jay gets criticised people bring up his do you fools listen to music or just skim through it line.Well guess what jay,people are listening and you have nothing noteworthy of being said.Jay is a great business man and has a penchant for making hit singles.He doesnt have the greatest bars,his flow isnt the best,his voice isnt the best and his content is repetitive.greatest rapper,not by a fucking longshot.
Who said he's the greatest? I am simply saying his discography is better than most rappers when people are acting like its horrible. You think Nas is your hero but you forget he tried to go pop several times and failed miserably at it. Jay-Z is a pop rapper no doubt, but he's one of the best at making pop music. I don't understand how that's a bad thing when Biggie did the same thing and gets props for it. Oh right, he died ::)
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Well Jome for one.And Nas is far from my hero their little guy.But ill take a great nas album over a great jay z album any time.And I always felt biggie was one of the most over rated rappers of all time.From a techincal stand point he was pretty much flawless,but his second album to me was mediocre and his content was lacking
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Believe me, I've listened to every Jay album probably more closely than any of his fans. I've been trying to figure out the hype since I was a kid because back then I didn't understand how marketing and persona can work wonders for your hip-hop career.
I know deep down inside most people who are in their early-to-mid 20's like me are defending Jay's discography strictly out of nostalgia from their youth knowing damn well his discography is very inconsistent and nothing worth bragging about. I have no idea how that is even debatable unless you have some kind of emotional attachment to the music.
And whoever said Dynasty was almost a classic needs to seriously go back, listen to that album from beginning to end and then see if they still feel the same way afterwards.
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Jay-Z's discography IS inconsistent. But damn near every rapper's is. Most of them don't have certified classics though.
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Jay-Z's discography IS inconsistent. But damn near every rapper's is. Most of them don't have certified classics though.
Yep, he's got the best discography, but at 12 CD's deep, obviously not the most consistent discography, that title goes to Dre's 2 masterpieces. :D
LOL @ Snoop.
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jay-z is the goat
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Jay has 4 albums that are fucking dope.
How many other rappers can you name, with more than 4 "fucking dope" albums?
Hell, any other genre for that matter.. it sure as hell ain't common.
Like I said, the discography is the entire picture.
If he has 4 dope albums and 8 wack pop albums means the discography is dope for 33% And like I said these albums get allot of their apeal from the beats.
Then Dr. Dre. 2 albums, both classic, that's a top 5 discography even though it consists of only 2 albums.
Other artists with more then 4 fucking dope albums:
Ice Cube
2Pac
Nas
Wu-Tang Clan (excluding Solo)
KRS-One
Kool G Rap
Rakim
Gang Starr
Cypress Hill
Ghostface Killah
Need I go on?
People just bought into this media created hype that hes somehow the greatest and his discography is flawless.
I've heard on several occasions that reasonable doubt wasn't called a classic untill people started promoting it as one.
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Like I said, the discography is the entire picture.
If he has 4 dope albums and 8 wack pop albums means the discography is dope for 33% And like I said these albums get allot of their apeal from the beats.
Wack pop albums?
A commercial single or two, doesn't make it a pop album, neither does having r'n'b-singers on hooks.
The only REAL weak Jay-album, is Vol.1, and arguably Blueprint 2, but Blueprint 2.1 set the record straight, to me Blueprint 2.1 is the real Blueprint 2.
Sure, Vol 2 & 3, Kingdom Come, American Gangster & BP3 had its share of weak tracks and filler, but they're still solid albums.
I partly disagree with your list by the way, putting KRS, Kool G, Rakim, Cypress Hill & Ghostface on there is reaching, sounds to me like they're mentioned for their names only, or it's personal favorites.. might as well put Mobb Deep & M.O.P. there then, they've been more consistent than some of those.
PS-rant:
It's funny to see how people have been brainwashed into thinking that going against the "media darlings" and denying their skills/discography is cool and trendy, and will earn you cred-points with the so-called "underground heads". :D
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I strongly disagree, i can create a 2-3 disc album of horrible fucking songs from Jay-z that will make your ears bleed.
aint no nigger
can i get a whu whu or whatever its called
change the game
hola hovito
Run this town
Sunshine
etc..
Come to think of it, all of those songs were singles. He probably make these shit songs just to sell records = not GOAT. Wait a minute, what is this topic even about ???
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Like I said, the discography is the entire picture.
If he has 4 dope albums and 8 wack pop albums means the discography is dope for 33% And like I said these albums get allot of their apeal from the beats.
Wack pop albums?
A commercial single or two, doesn't make it a pop album, neither does having r'n'b-singers on hooks.
The only REAL weak Jay-album, is Vol.1, and arguably Blueprint 2, but Blueprint 2.1 set the record straight, to me Blueprint 2.1 is the real Blueprint 2.
Sure, Vol 2 & 3, Kingdom Come, American Gangster & BP3 had its share of weak tracks and filler, but they're still solid albums.
I partly disagree with your list by the way, putting KRS, Kool G, Rakim, Cypress Hill & Ghostface on there is reaching, sounds to me like they're mentioned for their names only, or it's personal favorites.. might as well put Mobb Deep & M.O.P. there then, they've been more consistent than some of those.
PS-rant:
It's funny to see how people have been brainwashed into thinking that going against the "media darlings" and denying their skills/discography is cool and trendy, and will earn you cred-points with the so-called "underground heads". :D
No but albums with a good track or 2 do make it a pop album.
It's not just the singles with singers it's the covering of songs that basically guaranty you a hit.
How am I reaching?
4 good tracks on a 12 track album doesn't make a great album, that goes for discographies as well.
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Um no.I own most of jays albums.Ive seen him in concert a couple times.People just bought into this media created hype that hes somehow the greatest and his discography is flawless.He isnt and it isnt.Hes flawed and discography is inconsistent at best.He always gets credited for setting trends and all this shit.But take a step back from standom and what great trends did he create?What,people dont wear throwbacks anymore?The fact is when he came into the game the rap game was in a much better place and then he helped usher in the money rules bling era.His music is shallow and has no real depth.Sure ill throw on dirt on my shoulder and bob my head its a dope joint but thats as far as it goes.I always loved when jay gets criticised people bring up his do you fools listen to music or just skim through it line.Well guess what jay,people are listening and you have nothing noteworthy of being said.Jay is a great business man and has a penchant for making hit singles.He doesnt have the greatest bars,his flow isnt the best,his voice isnt the best and his content is repetitive.greatest rapper,not by a fucking longshot.
you lost all credit when you said big is overrated.
who do you even like listening to? lol you seem like you hate on pretty much everything if it doesnt involve slaughterhouse. (speaking of overrated)
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No but albums with a good track or 2 do make it a pop album.
It's not just the singles with singers it's the covering of songs that basically guaranty you a hit.
How am I reaching?
4 good tracks on a 12 track album doesn't make a great album, that goes for discographies as well.
How does a hip hop album with only 2 tracks that you like, make it a pop album? What kinda logic is that?
You said Jay "have 4 fucking dope albums", not me.. I'd say 3 classics, and 5-6 albums ranging from dope to solid.
But then again, I'ma Jay-fan.. I know I can't get M Dogg & Jaydc to agree with this, but denying his place in top 5 disco's in hip hop is just nonsense.
Some of these fools even resort to posting mock-pics because they can't make a valid argument.
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No but albums with a good track or 2 do make it a pop album.
It's not just the singles with singers it's the covering of songs that basically guaranty you a hit.
How am I reaching?
4 good tracks on a 12 track album doesn't make a great album, that goes for discographies as well.
How does a hip hop album with only 2 tracks that you like, make it a pop album? What kinda logic is that?
You said Jay "have 4 fucking dope albums", not me.. I'd say 3 classics, and 5-6 albums ranging from dope to solid.
But then again, I'ma Jay-fan.. I know I can't get M Dogg & Jaydc to agree with this, but denying his place in top 5 disco's in hip hop is just nonsense.
Some of these fools even resort to posting mock-pics because they can't make a valid argument.
I meant 2 good tracks, 12 pop tracks, it was in response to your '2 pop singles doesn't make a pop album.'
But like I keep saying, the discography is not only the good albums but also the bad albums.
You wouldn't call a 12 song album a top 5 album either if it only had 4 good tracks.
Now I'm curious, what are your top 5 discographies?
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PS-rant:
It's funny to see how people have been brainwashed into thinking that going against the "media darlings" and denying their skills/discography is cool and trendy, and will earn you cred-points with the so-called "underground heads". :D
What's funny is that the real hip hop heads will give Jay-Z credit. Everyone I know who knows more about hip hop than me tends to be more open-minded. It's the ones that only listen to a select few underground rappers who won't give him credit.
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No but albums with a good track or 2 do make it a pop album.
It's not just the singles with singers it's the covering of songs that basically guaranty you a hit.
How am I reaching?
4 good tracks on a 12 track album doesn't make a great album, that goes for discographies as well.
How does a hip hop album with only 2 tracks that you like, make it a pop album? What kinda logic is that?
You said Jay "have 4 fucking dope albums", not me.. I'd say 3 classics, and 5-6 albums ranging from dope to solid.
But then again, I'ma Jay-fan.. I know I can't get M Dogg & Jaydc to agree with this, but denying his place in top 5 disco's in hip hop is just nonsense.
Some of these fools even resort to posting mock-pics because they can't make a valid argument.
I meant 2 good tracks, 12 pop tracks, it was in response to your '2 pop singles doesn't make a pop album.'
But like I keep saying, the discography is not only the good albums but also the bad albums.
You wouldn't call a 12 song album a top 5 album either if it only had 4 good tracks.
Now I'm curious, what are your top 5 discographies?
I don't think you've actually gone through all his albums, maybe skimmed through them on iTunes or something. All of his albums have more than 4 good tracks.
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I don't think you've actually gone through all his albums, maybe skimmed through them on iTunes or something. All of his albums have more than 4 good tracks.
Read my post again that's not what I was saying.
PS-rant:
It's funny to see how people have been brainwashed into thinking that going against the "media darlings" and denying their skills/discography is cool and trendy, and will earn you cred-points with the so-called "underground heads". :D
What's funny is that the real hip hop heads will give Jay-Z credit. Everyone I know who knows more about hip hop than me tends to be more open-minded. It's the ones that only listen to a select few underground rappers who won't give him credit.
I give jay-z credit, but top 5 discographies is one of the most stupid things I've heard in a while
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Um no.I own most of jays albums.Ive seen him in concert a couple times.People just bought into this media created hype that hes somehow the greatest and his discography is flawless.He isnt and it isnt.Hes flawed and discography is inconsistent at best.He always gets credited for setting trends and all this shit.But take a step back from standom and what great trends did he create?What,people dont wear throwbacks anymore?The fact is when he came into the game the rap game was in a much better place and then he helped usher in the money rules bling era.His music is shallow and has no real depth.Sure ill throw on dirt on my shoulder and bob my head its a dope joint but thats as far as it goes.I always loved when jay gets criticised people bring up his do you fools listen to music or just skim through it line.Well guess what jay,people are listening and you have nothing noteworthy of being said.Jay is a great business man and has a penchant for making hit singles.He doesnt have the greatest bars,his flow isnt the best,his voice isnt the best and his content is repetitive.greatest rapper,not by a fucking longshot.
you lost all credit when you said big is overrated.
who do you even like listening to? lol you seem like you hate on pretty much everything if it doesnt involve slaughterhouse. (speaking of overrated)
Since when does saying someone is over rated mean something horrible.hes viewed as possibly the greatest rapper of all time and hence why I think hes over rated.His first album was classic but his second album was filled with filler and thats all that he has.How can a man be considered the goat with two albums,its a joke.that being said,as a rapper he was amazing and it would have been interesting to see what he had done if he had lived.But you cant crown someone with two albums.
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How can a man be considered the goat with two albums,its a joke.
When the artists has allot of non-album material.
Big L has 2 albums (1 if you dismiss posthumous albums) but a large collection of non-album material (5 albums worth excluding the DITC album).
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Jay-Z's discography IS inconsistent. But damn near every rapper's is. Most of them don't have certified classics though.
Yep, he's got the best discography, but at 12 CD's deep, obviously not the most consistent discography, that title goes to Dre's 2 masterpieces. :D
LOL @ Snoop.
I don't see how when 6 out of your 12 albums are considered listenable (and that's being generous) that it's the best discography out. That doesn't even make sense. You cannot have almost as many hits as misses and be considered in the top 5, man. It's not logical.
But I give the guy all the credit in the world in terms of marketing. Like Snoop, Jay has been able to follow the formula designed to get optimal album sales: a shitty album with hot singles.
And my opinion has nothing to do with bucking the mainstream media. I agree with a lot of things that in the media. Like I said in previous posts, I have felt Jay-Z was overrated since I was a little kid....and he was considered the hottest thing out back then. I just never bought the hype and to be honest, listening to his albums from beginning-to-end validates my point (which is something many of his die-hard supporters wouldn't do again).
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No but albums with a good track or 2 do make it a pop album.
It's not just the singles with singers it's the covering of songs that basically guaranty you a hit.
How am I reaching?
4 good tracks on a 12 track album doesn't make a great album, that goes for discographies as well.
How does a hip hop album with only 2 tracks that you like, make it a pop album? What kinda logic is that?
You said Jay "have 4 fucking dope albums", not me.. I'd say 3 classics, and 5-6 albums ranging from dope to solid.
But then again, I'ma Jay-fan.. I know I can't get M Dogg & Jaydc to agree with this, but denying his place in top 5 disco's in hip hop is just nonsense.
Some of these fools even resort to posting mock-pics because they can't make a valid argument.
I said Jay had 5 good albums, one classic and the rest where either average or trash, I mean his 50/50 in terms of great shit. I do listen to Jay. Now of course anyone who check's my post history will know I am not a Jay fan at all, but will also know Snoop is my favorite rapper ever (hence the name M Dogg... lol) and I compare them to each other. I've been comparing them for years, because they are so similar in everything they do, they are the best marketed rappers out there, both are about the same age (Snoop is 38, Jay is 40) they both have had high profiled beefs, (Snoop with Suge, Jay with Nas) and both have classics that I listen to over and over and over to this day. I own every Snoop album, no exceptions, I even own The Game is to Be Sold Not Told and Ego Trippin', and I have every Jay-Z album in some for (illegal download, actual bought CDs like Blueprint and Black Album, and even iTunes) so I have listened to everything they've put out.
Both I think put out just as many average albums as they put out great music, they have watered down their music for mass production. Both also are good at putting out music from other artist and both have tried to push new artist to mixed results. For every Kurupt there was a flopp'd Bad Azz (though the album was hot) and for every Kanye there was a Memphis Bleek. But both also have some of the best singles discography ever in Hip-Hop. I'd put Snoop's singles, from What's My Name, to Murder Was the Case, to B Please, to Beautiful, to even Sexual Eruption again anybody's single's discography. Even Jay's, from Sunshine to Hard Knock Life to H to the Izzo to Dirt Off Your Shoulder to Young Forever, Jay's single discography is just one of the best ever, hands down. The albums that these singles come off of are mixed, many albums from both are average with hot singles. But it's marketing, and I am willing to bet that if you ask Jay and Snoop honestly, they'd welcome being compared to each other, and they'd also tell you than some of their albums are marketing. They are not dumb, they know what's good and what's not, they also know what fans think and they also know when they put out classic shit. Jay told you a head of time Blueprint was a classic, Snoop knew The Blue Carpet Treatment would get back his fans. These are business men who know the business and know how to make money.
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No but albums with a good track or 2 do make it a pop album.
It's not just the singles with singers it's the covering of songs that basically guaranty you a hit.
How am I reaching?
4 good tracks on a 12 track album doesn't make a great album, that goes for discographies as well.
How does a hip hop album with only 2 tracks that you like, make it a pop album? What kinda logic is that?
You said Jay "have 4 fucking dope albums", not me.. I'd say 3 classics, and 5-6 albums ranging from dope to solid.
But then again, I'ma Jay-fan.. I know I can't get M Dogg & Jaydc to agree with this, but denying his place in top 5 disco's in hip hop is just nonsense.
Some of these fools even resort to posting mock-pics because they can't make a valid argument.
lol Jome you're almost at the level of the game stans, what is wrong with you recently? :loco:
i've already argued with you about the subject, it's clear to me that you discredit other people's opinions when they don't say that Jay-Z is the greatest.
i think you're a cool poster, but you're a groupie when it comes to Jay
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Jay-Z's discography IS inconsistent. But damn near every rapper's is. Most of them don't have certified classics though.
Yep, he's got the best discography, but at 12 CD's deep, obviously not the most consistent discography, that title goes to Dre's 2 masterpieces. :D
LOL @ Snoop.
I don't see how when 6 out of your 12 albums are considered listenable (and that's being generous) that it's the best discography out. That doesn't even make sense. You cannot have almost as many hits as misses and be considered in the top 5, man. It's not logical.
But I give the guy all the credit in the world in terms of marketing. Like Snoop, Jay has been able to follow the formula designed to get optimal album sales: a shitty album with hot singles.
And my opinion has nothing to do with bucking the mainstream media. I agree with a lot of things that in the media. Like I said in previous posts, I have felt Jay-Z was overrated since I was a little kid....and he was considered the hottest thing out back then. I just never bought the hype and to be honest, listening to his albums from beginning-to-end validates my point (which is something many of his die-hard supporters wouldn't do again).
I can't take anyone seriously when they say that 6 out of his 12 albums are only listenable, especially someone who claims to have gone through his discography. And I'm not the only one. Maybe that's just a case of you personally not liking Jay-Z. But 4 of his albums were hailed as great when they came out, almost all the rest were well-recieved and only 2 were received negatively. I smh at people who go back and underrate his music because they can't stand to agree with the mainstream crowd.
And again, no one seems to have responded to the fact that his discography is remarkably similar to Nas when it comes to quality.
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Jay-Z's discography IS inconsistent. But damn near every rapper's is. Most of them don't have certified classics though.
Yep, he's got the best discography, but at 12 CD's deep, obviously not the most consistent discography, that title goes to Dre's 2 masterpieces. :D
LOL @ Snoop.
I don't see how when 6 out of your 12 albums are considered listenable (and that's being generous) that it's the best discography out. That doesn't even make sense. You cannot have almost as many hits as misses and be considered in the top 5, man. It's not logical.
But I give the guy all the credit in the world in terms of marketing. Like Snoop, Jay has been able to follow the formula designed to get optimal album sales: a shitty album with hot singles.
And my opinion has nothing to do with bucking the mainstream media. I agree with a lot of things that in the media. Like I said in previous posts, I have felt Jay-Z was overrated since I was a little kid....and he was considered the hottest thing out back then. I just never bought the hype and to be honest, listening to his albums from beginning-to-end validates my point (which is something many of his die-hard supporters wouldn't do again).
I can't take anyone seriously when they say that 6 out of his 12 albums are only listenable, especially someone who claims to have gone through his discography. And I'm not the only one. Maybe that's just a case of you personally not liking Jay-Z. But 4 of his albums were hailed as great when they came out, almost all the rest were well-recieved and only 2 were received negatively. I smh at people who go back and underrate his music because they can't stand to agree with the mainstream crowd.
And again, no one seems to have responded to the fact that his discography is remarkably similar to Nas when it comes to quality.
LOL I can put up a screen shot of all my Jay-z albums on iTunes if you want me to. I have nothing against Jay-Z. I already said I respect the guy. I have nothing against main stream music either. If I had some sort of beef with mainstream music, I wouldn't of propped any of the people who I believe have a better discography than Jay (like Kanye).
Jigga is overrated, simple as that, and many people agree. I am glad to see that his marketing schemes have worked so well throughout his career that people feel he's the GOAT. That's a respectable accomplishment on Jay's part.
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It seems to me theirs teh Jay hardcore fans who believe hes the goat and all his albums are either classic or dope,and then the rest of the people who just see him as better then average with an inconsistent discography that gets highly over rated.
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And I see someone mention hip hop heads loving Jay.Well,from all the people Ive met in my life,the hip hop fans all acknowledge Jays success and hits,you cant deny them.But they arent fans or think hes anything special.The people I see listening to jay z are people that listen to vampire weekend and coldplay and lil wayne and whatever else is top 40.Now,thats not not me knocking Jay z,their nothing wrong with being a pop act,but thats what he is.The people I see that listen to him and love him love mainstream music they arent so called hip hop heads.Shit,Ive been to him in concert just look at the people who comes to his shows.
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It seems to me theirs teh Jay hardcore fans who believe hes the goat and all his albums are either classic or dope,and then the rest of the people who just see him as better then average with an inconsistent discography that gets highly over rated.
It seems to me that 90% of people who know their hip hop will rank Jay at least in the top 10, and then there's the 10% remaining, denying any skills, classics, discography and influence.
These are often the people that puts up camel pictures, pulls Illuminati into the discussion, what Pac said, or they think Cam'ron is the best thing since cooked crack.. and some people just don't like him, fair enough.
I don't see how when 6 out of your 12 albums are considered listenable (and that's being generous) that it's the best discography out. That doesn't even make sense.
This post doesn't make sense to me.. 6 of 12 albums isn't listenable?
You must dislike Jay as much as I dislike Lil Wayne then.. fair game.
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So 90 percent huh?Thats pretty laughable.i dont deny his skills,his TWO classics,but his discography is insoncistent and hes not as big of an inlfuence as he likes to tell you he is.id say its nowhere near 90 percent.Like i said the only people Ive come across in my life that think really highly of jay,are people who I wouldnt care about their opinion of hip hop since they like mainstream top 40 shit.not thats theirs anything wrong with loving tha type of music,but you dont take them seriously when it comes to hip hop.
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Why haven't OutKast been mention in here, first 4 albums = 4 classics.
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Outbound connection
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Why haven't OutKast been mention in here, first 4 albums = 4 classics.
I was going to mention them, but I assumed someone would argue that Outkast is a group and Jay is a solo artist. Outkast's discography would definitely be in my top 5......not Jay though.
It seems to me that 90% of people who know their hip hop will rank Jay at least in the top 10, and then there's the 10% remaining, denying any skills, classics, discography and influence.
Who is denying Jay's skills, classic albums or even his influence on hip-hop? This entire argument was about Jay's discography.
It's like you think because some people (more than 10%) think that Jay's discog is overrated that it equates to those same people hating Jay-z when that's not the case. It's just not everyone is drinking the Jay-z Kool-Aid and acting like everything he has done in hip-hop is untouchable. Is Jay-Z a great business man? Yes. Can he market himself well? Yes. Has he had an impact in hip-hop? Yes. Is his discography anywhere near the top 5 discographies in hip-hop? HELL NO!
I just think you're a big fan of Jay-z, and nothing is wrong with that at all, but it causes you to over inflate Jay's accomplishments. The fact that people posting pictures of dead camels irritates you shows how partial you are to Jay.
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Is his discography anywhere near the top 5 discographies in hip-hop? HELL NO!
Well, I think you're in a minority then..
The fact that people posting pictures of dead camels irritates you shows how partial you are to Jay.
Ehh no. People derailing threads is always annoying.
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Is his discography anywhere near the top 5 discographies in hip-hop? HELL NO!
Well, I think you're in a minority then..
so just cus Sikotic is black and im mexican and we both share the same opinions about jiggas discographies, we are minorities
>:(
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Jome is to Jay Z as Now I Know is to Kobe Bryant.
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WHY DID NOBODY SAY MAC DRE OR ANDRE NICKATINA..
THATS THE REAL FIRE U GUYS DONT KNO THE BAY SHIT ??? ??? 8)
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Is his discography anywhere near the top 5 discographies in hip-hop? HELL NO!
Well, I think you're in a minority then..
This is true. That doesn't make me wrong though.
Miley Cyrus agrees with you too ;D
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Jome thinks "90% of people who know their hip-hop" has the same opinion as him.
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http://www.youtube.com/v/U_BqLfOLnr8&
This doesn't sound like the greatest of all time at all
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http://www.youtube.com/v/U_BqLfOLnr8&
This doesn't sound like the greatest of all time at all
thats one reason i never respected Jay Z cus he bites rhymes
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Jome is to Jay Z as Now I Know is to Kobe Bryant.
Coming from the poster who named himself after Snoop Dogg?
Jome thinks "90% of people who know their hip-hop" has the same opinion as him.
I do think that regular hip hop fans know their shit better than the average G-spot poster.
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Jome thinks "90% of people who know their hip-hop" has the same opinion as him.
I do think that regular hip hop fans know their shit better than the average G-spot poster.
What makes you think I'm not a "Regular hip hop fan"?
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Didn't say that, was speaking more in general.. this discussion is going nowhere fast, by the way.
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Didn't say that, was speaking more in general.. this discussion is going nowhere fast, by the way.
is it just that you cant accept the fact not everyone has to think Jay Z is one of the greatest rappers ever?
Scarface discography > Jay Z discography
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Scarface discography > Jay Z discography
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And I see someone mention hip hop heads loving Jay.Well,from all the people Ive met in my life,the hip hop fans all acknowledge Jays success and hits,you cant deny them.But they arent fans or think hes anything special.The people I see listening to jay z are people that listen to vampire weekend and coldplay and lil wayne and whatever else is top 40.Now,thats not not me knocking Jay z,their nothing wrong with being a pop act,but thats what he is.The people I see that listen to him and love him love mainstream music they arent so called hip hop heads.Shit,Ive been to him in concert just look at the people who comes to his shows.
lol...those aren't hip hop heads, those are just snobs who know less than they think. Hip hop heads listen to both underground and mainstream. How can you call yourself a hip hop head if you have a limited taste in music and you refuse to listen to stuff cause its "mainstream"?
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Jay-Z's discography IS inconsistent. But damn near every rapper's is. Most of them don't have certified classics though.
Yep, he's got the best discography, but at 12 CD's deep, obviously not the most consistent discography, that title goes to Dre's 2 masterpieces. :D
LOL @ Snoop.
I don't see how when 6 out of your 12 albums are considered listenable (and that's being generous) that it's the best discography out. That doesn't even make sense. You cannot have almost as many hits as misses and be considered in the top 5, man. It's not logical.
But I give the guy all the credit in the world in terms of marketing. Like Snoop, Jay has been able to follow the formula designed to get optimal album sales: a shitty album with hot singles.
And my opinion has nothing to do with bucking the mainstream media. I agree with a lot of things that in the media. Like I said in previous posts, I have felt Jay-Z was overrated since I was a little kid....and he was considered the hottest thing out back then. I just never bought the hype and to be honest, listening to his albums from beginning-to-end validates my point (which is something many of his die-hard supporters wouldn't do again).
I can't take anyone seriously when they say that 6 out of his 12 albums are only listenable, especially someone who claims to have gone through his discography. And I'm not the only one. Maybe that's just a case of you personally not liking Jay-Z. But 4 of his albums were hailed as great when they came out, almost all the rest were well-recieved and only 2 were received negatively. I smh at people who go back and underrate his music because they can't stand to agree with the mainstream crowd.
And again, no one seems to have responded to the fact that his discography is remarkably similar to Nas when it comes to quality.
LOL I can put up a screen shot of all my Jay-z albums on iTunes if you want me to. I have nothing against Jay-Z. I already said I respect the guy. I have nothing against main stream music either. If I had some sort of beef with mainstream music, I wouldn't of propped any of the people who I believe have a better discography than Jay (like Kanye).
Jigga is overrated, simple as that, and many people agree. I am glad to see that his marketing schemes have worked so well throughout his career that people feel he's the GOAT. That's a respectable accomplishment on Jay's part.
You keep bringing up GOAT when I haven't even said that. All I'm saying is that his discography is better than most rappers. Who the fuck has 3 classic albums?
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And I see someone mention hip hop heads loving Jay.Well,from all the people Ive met in my life,the hip hop fans all acknowledge Jays success and hits,you cant deny them.But they arent fans or think hes anything special.The people I see listening to jay z are people that listen to vampire weekend and coldplay and lil wayne and whatever else is top 40.Now,thats not not me knocking Jay z,their nothing wrong with being a pop act,but thats what he is.The people I see that listen to him and love him love mainstream music they arent so called hip hop heads.Shit,Ive been to him in concert just look at the people who comes to his shows.
lol...those aren't hip hop heads, those are just snobs who know less than they think. Hip hop heads listen to both underground and mainstream. How can you call yourself a hip hop head if you have a limited taste in music and you refuse to listen to stuff cause its "mainstream"?
lol@ you blindly making assumptions about people you dont know.Your just projecting some made up image in your head on people.i dont care if sometrhings on the radio or not,if its hot its hot.But jay z is over rated as fuck and I like,many other people dont beleive the hype he created about himself and people bought into.jay z is the madonna of hip hop.
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And I see someone mention hip hop heads loving Jay.Well,from all the people Ive met in my life,the hip hop fans all acknowledge Jays success and hits,you cant deny them.But they arent fans or think hes anything special.The people I see listening to jay z are people that listen to vampire weekend and coldplay and lil wayne and whatever else is top 40.Now,thats not not me knocking Jay z,their nothing wrong with being a pop act,but thats what he is.The people I see that listen to him and love him love mainstream music they arent so called hip hop heads.Shit,Ive been to him in concert just look at the people who comes to his shows.
lol...those aren't hip hop heads, those are just snobs who know less than they think. Hip hop heads listen to both underground and mainstream. How can you call yourself a hip hop head if you have a limited taste in music and you refuse to listen to stuff cause its "mainstream"?
lol@ you blindly making assumptions about people you dont know.Your just projecting some made up image in your head on people.i dont care if sometrhings on the radio or not,if its hot its hot.But jay z is over rated as fuck and I like,many other people dont beleive the hype he created about himself and people bought into.jay z is the madonna of hip hop.
well for one, the fact that you use the word "overrated" frequently implies that your opinion on this subject isn't neutral. You aren't basing your opinion of Jay-Z off of his music, you are basing it off of other people's opinions, which is a terrible way to go about listening to music.
And I didn't make assumptions about people I don't know, I went off of what you said: people who listen to mainstream music aren't so-called hip hop heads, which is entirely incorrect. You can't be a hip hop head if you shun the mainstream.
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Jome is to Jay Z as Now I Know is to Kobe Bryant.
Coming from the poster who named himself after Snoop Dogg?
Jome thinks "90% of people who know their hip-hop" has the same opinion as him.
I do think that regular hip hop fans know their shit better than the average G-spot poster.
YEAP ;D But you never hear me say Snoops the greatest. :-\
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Jome is to Jay Z as Now I Know is to Kobe Bryant.
Coming from the poster who named himself after Snoop Dogg?
Jome thinks "90% of people who know their hip-hop" has the same opinion as him.
I do think that regular hip hop fans know their shit better than the average G-spot poster.
YEAP ;D But you never hear me say Snoops the greatest. :-\
Say what you will, no one can ever denie Snoop his place in the top 10, no one can ever denie Snoop has had one of the greatest careers, had a great influence, and still is pulling strings like a don.
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How can you say jay hasnt influenced the game like he says he has?
He's your favourite rapper's favourite rapper. He is the biggest name in hip hop music. Every album this muthafucka has put out has gone gold.
saying he hasnt influenced the game is the dumbest thing ive ever heard.
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Jay-Z's discography IS inconsistent. But damn near every rapper's is. Most of them don't have certified classics though.
Yep, he's got the best discography, but at 12 CD's deep, obviously not the most consistent discography, that title goes to Dre's 2 masterpieces. :D
LOL @ Snoop.
I don't see how when 6 out of your 12 albums are considered listenable (and that's being generous) that it's the best discography out. That doesn't even make sense. You cannot have almost as many hits as misses and be considered in the top 5, man. It's not logical.
But I give the guy all the credit in the world in terms of marketing. Like Snoop, Jay has been able to follow the formula designed to get optimal album sales: a shitty album with hot singles.
And my opinion has nothing to do with bucking the mainstream media. I agree with a lot of things that in the media. Like I said in previous posts, I have felt Jay-Z was overrated since I was a little kid....and he was considered the hottest thing out back then. I just never bought the hype and to be honest, listening to his albums from beginning-to-end validates my point (which is something many of his die-hard supporters wouldn't do again).
I can't take anyone seriously when they say that 6 out of his 12 albums are only listenable, especially someone who claims to have gone through his discography. And I'm not the only one. Maybe that's just a case of you personally not liking Jay-Z. But 4 of his albums were hailed as great when they came out, almost all the rest were well-recieved and only 2 were received negatively. I smh at people who go back and underrate his music because they can't stand to agree with the mainstream crowd.
And again, no one seems to have responded to the fact that his discography is remarkably similar to Nas when it comes to quality.
LOL I can put up a screen shot of all my Jay-z albums on iTunes if you want me to. I have nothing against Jay-Z. I already said I respect the guy. I have nothing against main stream music either. If I had some sort of beef with mainstream music, I wouldn't of propped any of the people who I believe have a better discography than Jay (like Kanye).
Jigga is overrated, simple as that, and many people agree. I am glad to see that his marketing schemes have worked so well throughout his career that people feel he's the GOAT. That's a respectable accomplishment on Jay's part.
You keep bringing up GOAT when I haven't even said that. All I'm saying is that his discography is better than most rappers. Who the fuck has 3 classic albums?
3? More like 2.
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How can you say jay hasnt influenced the game like he says he has?
He's your favourite rapper's favourite rapper. He is the biggest name in hip hop music. Every album this muthafucka has put out has gone gold.
saying he hasnt influenced the game is the dumbest thing ive ever heard.
seriously there's no point in even indulging the conversation, let the haters hate
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How can you say jay hasnt influenced the game like he says he has?
He's your favourite rapper's favourite rapper. He is the biggest name in hip hop music. Every album this muthafucka has put out has gone gold.
saying he hasnt influenced the game is the dumbest thing ive ever heard.
Jay released a mafioso rap album in 1996, yes that was unheard of back then.
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How can you say jay hasnt influenced the game like he says he has?
He's your favourite rapper's favourite rapper. He is the biggest name in hip hop music. Every album this muthafucka has put out has gone gold.
saying he hasnt influenced the game is the dumbest thing ive ever heard.
Jay released a mafioso rap album in 1996, yes that was unheard of back then.
exactly he started the cocaine rap shit, didnt he?
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How can you say jay hasnt influenced the game like he says he has?
He's your favourite rapper's favourite rapper. He is the biggest name in hip hop music. Every album this muthafucka has put out has gone gold.
saying he hasnt influenced the game is the dumbest thing ive ever heard.
Jay released a mafioso rap album in 1996, yes that was unheard of back then.
exactly he started the cocaine rap shit, didnt he?
lmao
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let the groupies be groupies and have their veil over their eyes.
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How can you say jay hasnt influenced the game like he says he has?
He's your favourite rapper's favourite rapper. He is the biggest name in hip hop music. Every album this muthafucka has put out has gone gold.
saying he hasnt influenced the game is the dumbest thing ive ever heard.
Jay released a mafioso rap album in 1996, yes that was unheard of back then.
exactly he started the cocaine rap shit, didnt he?
hahahah
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Jome is to Jay Z as Now I Know is to Kobe Bryant.
Coming from the poster who named himself after Snoop Dogg?
Jome thinks "90% of people who know their hip-hop" has the same opinion as him.
I do think that regular hip hop fans know their shit better than the average G-spot poster.
YEAP ;D But you never hear me say Snoops the greatest. :-\
Say what you will, no one can ever denie Snoop his place in the top 10, no one can ever denie Snoop has had one of the greatest careers, had a great influence, and still is pulling strings like a don.
Is most of what he said there untrue though? And he never once mentioned in that that snooop was the greatest, he said he had his place in the top ten.
Say what you want about snoop, but it is true, he like jaz have had one of the best careers in hiphop without doubt.
As for this discussion, ive always said jayz and snoop are very comparable for many many years now though over the last 5 years, jayz has handled his image alot better.
And for the jay-z/nas comparisons, for me its nas everytime but i do respect jigga as a rapper and he is dope, there aint no doubt about that. But not the greatest and he doesnt have the greatest cv in hiphop either. Doggystyle>any jayz record. Illmatic> any jayz record...Stillmatic >blueprint imo. Though that depends on taste but id take stillmatic over it everytime.
But this aint me taking anything away from jayz regardless of the shit about him being a freemason is true or not lol, dudes made some muthafuckin heaters but his album record aint consistant like its one amazing album to another...like any other artist, its inconsistant. Theres weak shit on it and heat on it.
Oh and im sorry to bring biggie into this since biggie got mentioned for the lines jigga used but Biggie was amazing, seriously, dude might have been a fat muthafucker but on the mic, dude let loose. And 2pac...shiiiit....some cats gotta washed up image of him because of what they've done to his image over recent years but dude was amazing...but i dont really know im mentioning 2pac since i dont think anyone mentioned him in here but yeah, jay-z = dope, cv - mixed with heat to average to poor shit but def not the best cv in hiphop and 3 classics? Thats news to me.
I aint taking nothing away from jayz though, dude is talented and made some incredible tracks. Good thread.
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It seems to me theirs teh Jay hardcore fans who believe hes the goat and all his albums are either classic or dope,and then the rest of the people who just see him as better then average with an inconsistent discography that gets highly over rated.
It seems to me that 90% of people who know their hip hop will rank Jay at least in the top 10, and then there's the 10% remaining, denying any skills, classics, discography and influence.
These are often the people that puts up camel pictures, pulls Illuminati into the discussion, what Pac said, or they think Cam'ron is the best thing since cooked crack.. and some people just don't like him, fair enough.
It seems to me that 90% of those people who put Jay in their top 10 do it because everybody in the media told them to.
Jay is not in my top 10 in any category....well i guess he's in my top 10 overrated list.
Best discog in Hip Hop? Off top - Cube, Nas, Pac, Face, or if you want to get into groups - Outkast, PE, ATCQ, Gangstarr, De La, etc...i could keep going.
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How can you say jay hasnt influenced the game like he says he has?
He's your favourite rapper's favourite rapper. He is the biggest name in hip hop music. Every album this muthafucka has put out has gone gold.
saying he hasnt influenced the game is the dumbest thing ive ever heard.
Jay released a mafioso rap album in 1996, yes that was unheard of back then.
exactly he started the cocaine rap shit, didnt he?
lmao
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It seems to me theirs teh Jay hardcore fans who believe hes the goat and all his albums are either classic or dope,and then the rest of the people who just see him as better then average with an inconsistent discography that gets highly over rated.
It seems to me that 90% of people who know their hip hop will rank Jay at least in the top 10, and then there's the 10% remaining, denying any skills, classics, discography and influence.
These are often the people that puts up camel pictures, pulls Illuminati into the discussion, what Pac said, or they think Cam'ron is the best thing since cooked crack.. and some people just don't like him, fair enough.
It seems to me that 90% of those people who put Jay in their top 10 do it because everybody in the media told them to.
Jay is not in my top 10 in any category....well i guess he's in my top 10 overrated list.
Best discog in Hip Hop? Off top - Cube, Nas, Pac, Face, or if you want to get into groups - Outkast, PE, ATCQ, Gangstarr, De La, etc...i could keep going.
Nas doesn't have a better discography than Jay
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I disagee.Nas best albums are far and away better then jays best albums.
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I disagee.Nas best albums are far and away better then jays best albums.
not at all
Illmatic > Reasonable Doubt
Stillmatic < the Blueprint
It Was Written < The Black Album
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Illmatic is better then all his albums,as is stillmatic.Jays best albums are his best because of production and nass best are because of his lyrics.
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I disagee.Nas best albums are far and away better then jays best albums.
not at all
Illmatic > Reasonable Doubt
Stillmatic < the Blueprint
It Was Written < The Black Album
I was thinking more along the lines of:
Stillmatic> Reasonable Doubt
It Was Written> Blueprint
God's Son > Black Album
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I disagee.Nas best albums are far and away better then jays best albums.
not at all
Illmatic > Reasonable Doubt
Stillmatic < the Blueprint
It Was Written < The Black Album
I was thinking more along the lines of:
Stillmatic> Reasonable Doubt
It Was Written> Blueprint
God's Son > Black Album
sell on all three counts.
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Illmatic is better then all his albums,as is stillmatic.Jays best albums are his best because of his songs and nass best are because of his songs.
Stillmatic isn't better than The Blueprint or The Black Album
I've spoke on this before. Lyrics over shitty production with a shitty hook does not make a good song. This is MUSIC. If you can't make good songs, choose another profession.
By the way, here's Nas over a hot beat:
http://www.youtube.com/v/L4cJg8riPSI
It's still a horrible song
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I like Nas way more than I like Jay-Z. But his discography is still as inconsistent as Jays.
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I like Nas way more than I like Jay-Z. But his discography is still as inconsistent as Jays.
So would you consider both of their discogs to be in the top 5?
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I like Nas way more than I like Jay-Z. But his discography is still as inconsistent as Jays.
So would you consider both of their discogs to be in the top 5?
Neither. I consider both their discographies to be above average and better than most rappers. They both have made a couple classics, several great albums, mostly good and a couple whack ones. That said, people seem to have forgotten that Jay-Z has put out a lot of great music. For some reason, when a rapper is mega-popular and gets a lot of love, there's a certain percentage of people who underrate them in response.
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It seems to me theirs teh Jay hardcore fans who believe hes the goat and all his albums are either classic or dope,and then the rest of the people who just see him as better then average with an inconsistent discography that gets highly over rated.
It seems to me that 90% of people who know their hip hop will rank Jay at least in the top 10, and then there's the 10% remaining, denying any skills, classics, discography and influence.
These are often the people that puts up camel pictures, pulls Illuminati into the discussion, what Pac said, or they think Cam'ron is the best thing since cooked crack.. and some people just don't like him, fair enough.
It seems to me that 90% of those people who put Jay in their top 10 do it because everybody in the media told them to.
Jay is not in my top 10 in any category....well i guess he's in my top 10 overrated list.
Best discog in Hip Hop? Off top - Cube, Nas, Pac, Face, or if you want to get into groups - Outkast, PE, ATCQ, Gangstarr, De La, etc...i could keep going.
Nas doesn't have a better discography than Jay
yes he does
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It seems to me theirs teh Jay hardcore fans who believe hes the goat and all his albums are either classic or dope,and then the rest of the people who just see him as better then average with an inconsistent discography that gets highly over rated.
It seems to me that 90% of people who know their hip hop will rank Jay at least in the top 10, and then there's the 10% remaining, denying any skills, classics, discography and influence.
These are often the people that puts up camel pictures, pulls Illuminati into the discussion, what Pac said, or they think Cam'ron is the best thing since cooked crack.. and some people just don't like him, fair enough.
It seems to me that 90% of those people who put Jay in their top 10 do it because everybody in the media told them to.
Jay is not in my top 10 in any category....well i guess he's in my top 10 overrated list.
Best discog in Hip Hop? Off top - Cube, Nas, Pac, Face, or if you want to get into groups - Outkast, PE, ATCQ, Gangstarr, De La, etc...i could keep going.
Nas doesn't have a better discography than Jay
yes he does
no he doesn't. Nastradamus and I Am were horrible albums.
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It seems to me theirs teh Jay hardcore fans who believe hes the goat and all his albums are either classic or dope,and then the rest of the people who just see him as better then average with an inconsistent discography that gets highly over rated.
It seems to me that 90% of people who know their hip hop will rank Jay at least in the top 10, and then there's the 10% remaining, denying any skills, classics, discography and influence.
These are often the people that puts up camel pictures, pulls Illuminati into the discussion, what Pac said, or they think Cam'ron is the best thing since cooked crack.. and some people just don't like him, fair enough.
It seems to me that 90% of those people who put Jay in their top 10 do it because everybody in the media told them to.
Jay is not in my top 10 in any category....well i guess he's in my top 10 overrated list.
Best discog in Hip Hop? Off top - Cube, Nas, Pac, Face, or if you want to get into groups - Outkast, PE, ATCQ, Gangstarr, De La, etc...i could keep going.
Nas doesn't have a better discography than Jay
yes he does
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I liked I am as did most people.Vol 2 and kingdome come were trash.
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no he doesn't. Nastradamus and I Am were horrible albums.
I disagree with "I Am" but either way Vol. 1 - 3, Dynasty & Kingdom Come are all horrible albums.
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I'm done with this argument because Jay-Z fans are gettin too emotional with this dose of reality, but I'ma end on this: Jay's discog doesn't touch Nas's discog, and Nas has a pretty weak discography.
God bless and good night :)
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Ok I want you cats talking about Jay's discog to list them shits. What are yall considering classic / great / wack in there?
Like you got the In My Lifetime albums. Had some dope singles and outside of another dope track or two those 3 ALBUMS were garbage. The Dynasty album or whatever was garbage. Blueprint was dope, black album had like 3 or 4 really dope songs, the rest was garbage - the songs wi/ Quik, Em, Neptunes, Kanye on paper all sound great but those songs were wack but people can't see it or admit because of those names.
Just Blaze dropped some dope stuff on there, Rick Rubin and whoever else did the last track....but thats only like 4 songs outta what, 12?
Blueprint 2 = 2 more garbage albums
And American Gangster, BP3 and whatever other album he's released since has been garbage.
(http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/regional_editions/globe_west/west/pile%20of%20garbage.jpg)
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no he doesn't. Nastradamus and I Am were horrible albums.
I disagree with "I Am" but either way Vol. 1 - 3, Dynasty & Kingdom Come are all horrible albums.
Vol 1-3 were dope, Kingdom Come shits on I Am or Nastradamus
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black album had like 3 or 4 really dope songs, the rest was garbage
Moment of Clarity, What More Can I Say, Threat, Encore, Dirt off Your Shoulder, Justify My Thug, Allure, Lucifer are garbage? Your opinion is now void. Exit thread. The only weak song on that album was Change Clothes. I'd put the Black Album over The Blueprint. And I've never even paid attention to who produced what until now.
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I liked I am as did most people.Vol 2 and kingdome come were trash.
I Am had a couple classics, but it also has some of the worst songs Nas has ever done.
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How can you say jay hasnt influenced the game like he says he has?
He's your favourite rapper's favourite rapper. He is the biggest name in hip hop music. Every album this muthafucka has put out has gone gold.
saying he hasnt influenced the game is the dumbest thing ive ever heard.
seriously there's no point in even indulging the conversation, let the haters hate
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How can you say jay hasnt influenced the game like he says he has?
He's your favourite rapper's favourite rapper. He is the biggest name in hip hop music. Every album this muthafucka has put out has gone gold.
saying he hasnt influenced the game is the dumbest thing ive ever heard.
seriously there's no point in even indulging the conversation, let the haters hate
Did you seriously think Jay-z Started the Cocaine rap?
Vol 1-3 were dope, Kingdom Come shits on I Am or Nastradamus
Allot of the hooks are lame as fuck, that ruins those albums.
But in the end it's all subjective...
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I love how not thinking jay z is the greatest is somehow construed as hate
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hey the fact is that KAIN is now enjoying and supporting Jay's music now.
SO ALL YOU SUCKAS CAN EAT A DIZZICK.
and maybe think about following cuz KAIN IS AN OG YA DIG?
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How can you say jay hasnt influenced the game like he says he has?
He's your favourite rapper's favourite rapper. He is the biggest name in hip hop music. Every album this muthafucka has put out has gone gold.
saying he hasnt influenced the game is the dumbest thing ive ever heard.
seriously there's no point in even indulging the conversation, let the haters hate
Did you seriously think Jay-z Started the Cocaine rap?
Vol 1-3 were dope, Kingdom Come shits on I Am or Nastradamus
Allot of the hooks are lame as fuck, that ruins those albums.
But in the end it's all subjective...
i dunno i thought i heard that in an interview or someshit.....(it was prolly a jay-z interview, har har har)
BUT ANYWAY MUTHAFUCKA,
JAY-Z > YA MOMS NIGGUH!
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Kain is also a black nerd that thinks nikki minaj makes good music.
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Kain is also a black nerd that thinks nikki minaj makes good music.
THAT DOESNT MATTER.
the fact is he used to hate, but now he appreciates.
DONT HATE, APPRECIATE!
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Like I said,I own most of jays albums an have seen him in concert.Its not hate,its the truth.
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Like I said,I own most of jays albums an have seen him in concert.Its not hate,its the truth.
IN YOUR MIND MAYBE.
P.S. CORMEGA SUCKS THE BIG ONE, DOGGIE.
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I'm done with this argument because Jay-Z fans are gettin too emotional with this dose of reality, but I'ma end on this: Jay's discog doesn't touch Nas's discog, and Nas has a pretty weak discography.
God bless and good night :)
Shalom
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Like I said,I own most of jays albums an have seen him in concert.Its not hate,its the truth.
IN YOUR MIND MAYBE.
P.S. CORMEGA SUCKS THE BIG ONE, DOGGIE.
LOL yes,cormega sucks but wiz khalifa and drake are great artists and jay z invented cocaine rap.How old are you?14?
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And why is wiz in the pic holding alcohol with his shirt off in a room alone with two guys.hes about to get some groupie love?
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black album had like 3 or 4 really dope songs, the rest was garbage
Moment of Clarity, What More Can I Say, Threat, Encore, Dirt off Your Shoulder, Justify My Thug, Allure, Lucifer are garbage? Your opinion is now void. Exit thread. The only weak song on that album was Change Clothes. I'd put the Black Album over The Blueprint. And I've never even paid attention to who produced what until now.
Dirt off your shoulder is good, the rest of those songs are boring/corny. Yes garbage.
lol @ exit thread, why don't you respond to the rest of my post? Break out Jays albums and rate them. Were you the one telling me that I haven't even heard jay's albums? Not that I give a shit, but I'll run circles around you on this if you want. I need some entertainment this afternoon till I get off work anyway.
Without cheating, name me 3 dope songs off of every album that wasn't a single. You can't do it. Jay is so far from having the best discog that it's almost laughable.
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black album had like 3 or 4 really dope songs, the rest was garbage
Moment of Clarity, What More Can I Say, Threat, Encore, Dirt off Your Shoulder, Justify My Thug, Allure, Lucifer are garbage? Your opinion is now void. Exit thread. The only weak song on that album was Change Clothes. I'd put the Black Album over The Blueprint. And I've never even paid attention to who produced what until now.
Dirt off your shoulder is good, the rest of those songs are boring/corny. Yes garbage.
lol @ exit thread, why don't you respond to the rest of my post? Break out Jays albums and rate them. Were you the one telling me that I haven't even heard jay's albums? Not that I give a shit, but I'll run circles around you on this if you want. I need some entertainment this afternoon till I get off work anyway.
Without cheating, name me 3 dope songs off of every album that wasn't a single. You can't do it. Jay is so far from having the best discog that it's almost laughable.
your opinion isn't worth anything anymore. You just called a classic album garbage. 3 songs? I just listed the entire album. Fuck outta here.
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I love how not thinking jay z is the greatest is somehow construed as hate
This.
and LOL @ Black Album being a classic. It was okay, but classic? hahahahahhahahahaha
OK. Now I'm really done with this ridiculous discussion. Adios.
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Anyone who thinks stillmatic had shitty production is delusional. Might not have been no dre or neptunes shit but dudes music was top notch.
It aint like only a few cats think stillmatic is better than blueprint, thats a big wave right there.
Regardless if u like blueprint more or not, anyone who thinks stillmatic is terrible on the production side is an idiot.
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Oh and on a side note, i just thought id give props to jay-z dirt on your shoulders, i remember when this dropped, timbaland laced him with a classic beat and its still fresh today and jayz did his thang on that, no joke.
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If nothing else, this thread has reminded me how much good music Jay-Z has released over the years. Time to go put in some old records 8)
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This thread
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Thinking Jay Z is the greatest rapper ever with the best discogprahy is
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^^ Inventive.
Scarface 2010 (Lyrical Assault) (Feat. Malice & Mr. Lo Key)
"Still the coldest motherfucka on this mic since Jigga"
The Scarface quote earlier had me bumping Face's dope discography, and it seems real recognize real..
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Now your getting quotes from artists?LOL,take the stannery down a bit Jomey.
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Scarface is a legend, Scarfaces word > Jaydc word.
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Well 2pac thought jay z was trash so I guess he must be right?
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And peedi crak just came out saying jay z would steal songs from everyone on the label.
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Old news, Peedi made a Jay diss a year ago, and Jay replied calling Peedi a psycho or something, can't remember.
Pac? Seriously?
Well, you kinda ran out of decent arguments 5 pages ago, so I think it's fair to lock this failure of a thread.