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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: TraceOneInfinite Flat Earther 96' on May 13, 2010, 10:01:54 AM
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This book puts Ronin Ro's books to utter shame. I actually thought Ronin Ro's Death Row book was ok when I first read it, but his Dr. Dre book was god aweful...
...but don't give up on these books documenting the industry, because there have been some good ones. Russel Simmons book about the industry was pretty good...
...but for people who grew up loving 90's West Coast rap you all aren't going to be able to put this one down!!
He talks about everything in intriquing, honest, and sometimes comedic detail. He doesn't waste any time, he begins with the night Dre set up Eazy and Suge gangstered E into signing the contracts, and he doesn't leave anything out even giving inside info on Bones experiences with himself and the label.
Anyone else read it yet?
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you got me interested in it.. whats the full name of the book?
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Ruthless, good book 8)
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I read it.. I thought it was great.
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I read it a while back but cant remember a lot about it in all honesty.
Can anyone recommend any other good westcoast books or hip hop in general.
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The book was interesting no doubt. However, it was rather biased against Cube leaving the group and "ruining" the Black Beatles.
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The book was interesting no doubt. However, it was rather biased against Cube leaving the group and "ruining" the Black Beatles.
Yeah, but that is part of what makes this book a great read. If he was all politically correct about everything, and just said nice things about everybody, then it would be totally boring, like pro-athletes when they are interviewed.
What makes this book great is it is a personal account of everything. So it's all new information, even the things we knew already we get to hear Jerry's side of the story, and his insider perspective.
I also thought it was enjoyable reading about his recollections of first hearing about "rap music". And how it was "a bolt of lightning that he was too stupid to get out of the way of". LOL..I actually laughed out loud at that line.
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is there something about nate dogg??
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The book was interesting no doubt. However, it was rather biased against Cube leaving the group and "ruining" the Black Beatles.
Yeah i got that feeling too when reading it. Pretty good for me, except for the chapter where he talks about him managing his white bands, and Elton John in the 60's, 70's... That prt was boring...
I read Ronin Ro's "Have Gun" - it would be great if it was all real... but too many people have said his accounts are straight bullshit, so his shit is janktacular. Also I read his book on Puffy (don't ask me why) and all he does is just ground Puffy into the ground. Nothing he does is ever a good decision, he's only in it for selfish reasons, blah blah... completley biased, but not even veiled, just straight out hit-piece.
I'm really getting into these behind the scenes books, but it does seem that a lot of the books that've been coming out hven't been vetted like they should.. But I will most def check out that Russell Simmons book you were talking about
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But I will most def check out that Russell Simmons book you were talking about
Yeah, he has a couple of books, the one called "Life and Def" (money, drugs, fame, God) is the one you want to get, inside accounts of his relationship with the hip-hop industry from it's beginnings up until today. Good read.
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Ro's books are entertaining but it's like tabloid TV. A lot of it is just sensationlized stories. The Heller book is a good read. He goes into Cube hard. He is actually very kind to Dre given the history (he pretty much calls him the most important part of N.W.A.) but he really doesn't have much nice to say about Cube or D.O.C. for that matter. He basically says that Eric and Cube's last meeting wasn't a legit burying of the hatchet and Eazy still didn't like Cube but wanted to have an N.W.A. reunion. If you're looking for a good counter-balance to Ronin Ro's Dre book, the one that Dre's former right-hand, Bruce Williams, wrote is pretty good. He details a lot of the Death Row drama and gives some very interesting insight into the problems at Aftermath as well as the real issues in the 50-Game beef. His critique of the Game is very interesting.
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Ro's books are entertaining but it's like tabloid TV. A lot of it is just sensationlized stories. The Heller book is a good read. He goes into Cube hard. He is actually very kind to Dre given the history (he pretty much calls him the most important part of N.W.A.) but he really doesn't have much nice to say about Cube or D.O.C. for that matter. He basically says that Eric and Cube's last meeting wasn't a legit burying of the hatchet and Eazy still didn't like Cube but wanted to have an N.W.A. reunion. If you're looking for a good counter-balance to Ronin Ro's Dre book, the one that Dre's former right-hand, Bruce Williams, wrote is pretty good. He details a lot of the Death Row drama and gives some very interesting insight into the problems at Aftermath as well as the real issues in the 50-Game beef. His critique of the Game is very interesting.
Well Ro's book on Dre was not even entertaining. It said nothing that the average dubcc forum member doesn't already know. That book was wack as hell.
Good suggestion on the Bruce Williams book, I will probably check it out after I finish Jerry's book
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Have any of you read Chosen By Fate: My Life Inside Death Row Records by McKinley Lee?
is it any good? i'm thinking about getting it
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I read it.. I thought it was great.
Yeah it was a good read, I also liked the stuff about Van Morrison in there as well
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lol, he does seem to have a personal animosity towards Ice Cube in particular. iI was probably the "you let a jew break up my crew" line. Cube basically destroyed Heller's entire image to the hip hop audience, whether deserved or not. Definitely a good read though.
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lol, he does seem to have a personal animosity towards Ice Cube in particular. iI was probably the "you let a jew break up my crew" line. Cube basically destroyed Heller's entire image to the hip hop audience, whether deserved or not. Definitely a good read though.
I doubt it's that. I think Dre and Snoop made Jerry a much bigger punching bag than Cube did. It could be that Cube was still on it as recently as the last N.W.A. reunion with the "Fuck Jerry Heller and them white super-powers" line but I just get the vibe that the two really don't like one another. Heller really gives all the credit for N.W.A. to Dre and Eazy and quotes as Eazy as supposedly saying that "N.W.A. is me, Dre, and Jerry Heller. That's it!". I'd more agree with Doug Young's line when he found out Cube left, "How you gonna let the Nigga WITH the attitude leave Niggaz Wit Attitude?".
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lol, he does seem to have a personal animosity towards Ice Cube in particular. iI was probably the "you let a jew break up my crew" line. Cube basically destroyed Heller's entire image to the hip hop audience, whether deserved or not. Definitely a good read though.
I doubt it's that. I think Dre and Snoop made Jerry a much bigger punching bag than Cube did. It could be that Cube was still on it as recently as the last N.W.A. reunion with the "Fuck Jerry Heller and them white super-powers" line but I just get the vibe that the two really don't like one another. Heller really gives all the credit for N.W.A. to Dre and Eazy and quotes as Eazy as supposedly saying that "N.W.A. is me, Dre, and Jerry Heller. That's it!". I'd more agree with Doug Young's line when he found out Cube left, "How you gonna let the Nigga WITH the attitude leave Niggaz Wit Attitude?".
Dre and Snoop went after Eazy, not Heller. He was only mentioned on the intro to the Chronic: "I don't love jerry". It was Cube who put the perception out there that Jerry Heller was ripping everyone off.
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Ro's books are entertaining but it's like tabloid TV. A lot of it is just sensationlized stories. The Heller book is a good read. He goes into Cube hard. He is actually very kind to Dre given the history (he pretty much calls him the most important part of N.W.A.) but he really doesn't have much nice to say about Cube or D.O.C. for that matter. He basically says that Eric and Cube's last meeting wasn't a legit burying of the hatchet and Eazy still didn't like Cube but wanted to have an N.W.A. reunion. If you're looking for a good counter-balance to Ronin Ro's Dre book, the one that Dre's former right-hand, Bruce Williams, wrote is pretty good. He details a lot of the Death Row drama and gives some very interesting insight into the problems at Aftermath as well as the real issues in the 50-Game beef. His critique of the Game is very interesting.
whats he have to say about game??
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lol, he does seem to have a personal animosity towards Ice Cube in particular. iI was probably the "you let a jew break up my crew" line. Cube basically destroyed Heller's entire image to the hip hop audience, whether deserved or not. Definitely a good read though.
I doubt it's that. I think Dre and Snoop made Jerry a much bigger punching bag than Cube did. It could be that Cube was still on it as recently as the last N.W.A. reunion with the "Fuck Jerry Heller and them white super-powers" line but I just get the vibe that the two really don't like one another. Heller really gives all the credit for N.W.A. to Dre and Eazy and quotes as Eazy as supposedly saying that "N.W.A. is me, Dre, and Jerry Heller. That's it!". I'd more agree with Doug Young's line when he found out Cube left, "How you gonna let the Nigga WITH the attitude leave Niggaz Wit Attitude?".
Dre and Snoop went after Eazy, not Heller. He was only mentioned on the intro to the Chronic: "I don't love jerry". It was Cube who put the perception out there that Jerry Heller was ripping everyone off.
watch the dre day video
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whats he have to say about game??
To sum it up, he basically said he liked Game but he needed guidance when it came to drama. He said people like Busta Rhymes and Snoop had the wisdom to tell him he was being disrespectful but he wasn't much of a listener. He brings up a story where Snoop overheard him talking shit about Bow Wow and said Snoop put him in check in a very sort of respectful big brother way by saying, "Look, you my nigga and Bow Wow my nigga so you don't have to talk that way about dude". He also basically throws out the opinion that Game should have been more appreciative to 50 for giving him both of the hit singles he was saving for his album so that Game's shit could get off the ground. In the way I write it, it kind of sounds like he's dissing Game but Williams actually seems very complimentary in how it reads.
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none of us will REALLY KNOW WHAT THA FUCK HAPPENED until MC Ren, Dr. Dre, or Ice Cube comes out with a book. Same thing with DeathRow Records, NONE OF US WILL EVER KNOW UNLESS DRE, DAZ, KURUPT or SNOOP comes out with a book EXPLAINING (in detail) about what happened.
everybody else's shit WILL BE speculation, biasness, 3rd & 4th party accounts without the actual blacknwhite papers, and disses about what happened. who knows, maybe Dre really did get paid what he was supposed to from The Chronic and Straight Outta Compton and just didn't appreciate his cut bcuz of how it blew up so he bounced, same with Cube and NWA, surely Daz would've left earlier if it was all that serious at DeathRow. u never know, it's really just all hype and bitterness. And honestly for the record I just don't trust Suge. If he came out with a book about DeathRow u know he would throw some hype and some exaggerations in there, not to say that they won't but I think their words would be a little more credible with Snoopy being at the bottom of the list and Dre being on top.
maybe Heller thought he was doing the right thing but just didn't really realize what he was doing. u can't blame ignorance or misunderstandings or something that wasn't intentional. now i'm not defending Jerry Heller bcuz like I said NONE OF US ACTUALLY KNOW (similar stories things can be said about Suge, Snoop thanked him in a recent interview) but most people when they read don't think with a 2-step mind, it's all 1-step mixed with a little gullableness and not actually knowing what tha fuck happened. Who knows, maybe Heller called Cube a nigger and Cube bounced. Maybe Heller got too comfortable with the word and Cube wasn't really feelin it.
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lol, he does seem to have a personal animosity towards Ice Cube in particular. iI was probably the "you let a jew break up my crew" line. Cube basically destroyed Heller's entire image to the hip hop audience, whether deserved or not. Definitely a good read though.
I doubt it's that. I think Dre and Snoop made Jerry a much bigger punching bag than Cube did. It could be that Cube was still on it as recently as the last N.W.A. reunion with the "Fuck Jerry Heller and them white super-powers" line but I just get the vibe that the two really don't like one another. Heller really gives all the credit for N.W.A. to Dre and Eazy and quotes as Eazy as supposedly saying that "N.W.A. is me, Dre, and Jerry Heller. That's it!". I'd more agree with Doug Young's line when he found out Cube left, "How you gonna let the Nigga WITH the attitude leave Niggaz Wit Attitude?".
Dre and Snoop went after Eazy, not Heller. He was only mentioned on the intro to the Chronic: "I don't love jerry". It was Cube who put the perception out there that Jerry Heller was ripping everyone off.
watch the dre day video
you watch it. No one would have known who the fat guy was if it wasn't for Cube.
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Whoever mentioned "Rollin With Dre" thats a good read for sure. I'm gonna have to look into that Russel Simmons book, be interesting to hear his stories
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whats he have to say about game??
To sum it up, he basically said he liked Game but he needed guidance when it came to drama. He said people like Busta Rhymes and Snoop had the wisdom to tell him he was being disrespectful but he wasn't much of a listener. He brings up a story where Snoop overheard him talking shit about Bow Wow and said Snoop put him in check in a very sort of respectful big brother way by saying, "Look, you my nigga and Bow Wow my nigga so you don't have to talk that way about dude". He also basically throws out the opinion that Game should have been more appreciative to 50 for giving him both of the hit singles he was saving for his album so that Game's shit could get off the ground. In the way I write it, it kind of sounds like he's dissing Game but Williams actually seems very complimentary in how it reads.
hmm that bow wow story seems fishy as hell considering many facts im 99% sure that its bullshit
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The book was interesting no doubt. However, it was rather biased against Cube leaving the group and "ruining" the Black Beatles.
yeah a bit, but he did back up a lot of things regarding Cube
lol, he does seem to have a personal animosity towards Ice Cube in particular. iI was probably the "you let a jew break up my crew" line. Cube basically destroyed Heller's entire image to the hip hop audience, whether deserved or not. Definitely a good read though.
I doubt it's that. I think Dre and Snoop made Jerry a much bigger punching bag than Cube did. It could be that Cube was still on it as recently as the last N.W.A. reunion with the "Fuck Jerry Heller and them white super-powers" line but I just get the vibe that the two really don't like one another. Heller really gives all the credit for N.W.A. to Dre and Eazy and quotes as Eazy as supposedly saying that "N.W.A. is me, Dre, and Jerry Heller. That's it!". I'd more agree with Doug Young's line when he found out Cube left, "How you gonna let the Nigga WITH the attitude leave Niggaz Wit Attitude?".
it's mainly Ice Cube, all that devil shit came from him, he's been talking shit for years
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any chance of uppin a few pages of this anyone to peep it before i rush out and buy anything?
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Yep, can someone hook up a scan of the book? props.
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Amazons usually got random pages scanned that you can read, probably be your best bet?
It's definitely a worthwhle read though, I finished it in a couple days, keep you reading
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It's a good book.... its always nice to hear the other persons side of the story and that's pretty much just what it is. Say what you will about him but he's the kind of manager you want to have on your side.
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none of us will REALLY KNOW WHAT THA FUCK HAPPENED until MC Ren, Dr. Dre, or Ice Cube comes out with a book. Same thing with DeathRow Records, NONE OF US WILL EVER KNOW UNLESS DRE, DAZ, KURUPT or SNOOP comes out with a book EXPLAINING (in detail) about what happened.
everybody else's shit WILL BE speculation, biasness, 3rd & 4th party accounts without the actual blacknwhite papers, and disses about what happened. who knows, maybe Dre really did get paid what he was supposed to from The Chronic and Straight Outta Compton and just didn't appreciate his cut bcuz of how it blew up so he bounced, same with Cube and NWA, surely Daz would've left earlier if it was all that serious at DeathRow. u never know, it's really just all hype and bitterness. And honestly for the record I just don't trust Suge. If he came out with a book about DeathRow u know he would throw some hype and some exaggerations in there, not to say that they won't but I think their words would be a little more credible with Snoopy being at the bottom of the list and Dre being on top.
maybe Heller thought he was doing the right thing but just didn't really realize what he was doing. u can't blame ignorance or misunderstandings or something that wasn't intentional. now i'm not defending Jerry Heller bcuz like I said NONE OF US ACTUALLY KNOW (similar stories things can be said about Suge, Snoop thanked him in a recent interview) but most people when they read don't think with a 2-step mind, it's all 1-step mixed with a little gullableness and not actually knowing what tha fuck happened. Who knows, maybe Heller called Cube a nigger and Cube bounced. Maybe Heller got too comfortable with the word and Cube wasn't really feelin it.
LMAO...daz coming out with a book, now that would be pure comedy. I would definitely read that!
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any other good behind the scenes books? love reading stories behind the scenes....I just read that dr dre assistant one...that wasn't too bad had some good stories in there
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lol, he does seem to have a personal animosity towards Ice Cube in particular. iI was probably the "you let a jew break up my crew" line. Cube basically destroyed Heller's entire image to the hip hop audience, whether deserved or not. Definitely a good read though.
I doubt it's that. I think Dre and Snoop made Jerry a much bigger punching bag than Cube did. It could be that Cube was still on it as recently as the last N.W.A. reunion with the "Fuck Jerry Heller and them white super-powers" line but I just get the vibe that the two really don't like one another. Heller really gives all the credit for N.W.A. to Dre and Eazy and quotes as Eazy as supposedly saying that "N.W.A. is me, Dre, and Jerry Heller. That's it!". I'd more agree with Doug Young's line when he found out Cube left, "How you gonna let the Nigga WITH the attitude leave Niggaz Wit Attitude?".
Dre and Snoop went after Eazy, not Heller. He was only mentioned on the intro to the Chronic: "I don't love jerry". It was Cube who put the perception out there that Jerry Heller was ripping everyone off.
Dre Day video makes Heller look like a rat
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I've been looking for this e-book for a while. Can someone hook it up please?
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book is titled
Ruthless : A Memoir
very good book, i did skip through the parts that talk about his like growing up and managing those legendary rock bands / artists.
i read parts but not all of that. i was mostly interested in the Ruthless part of his book.
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dont like books
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gonna buy soon.
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none of us will REALLY KNOW WHAT THA FUCK HAPPENED until MC Ren, Dr. Dre, or Ice Cube comes out with a book. Same thing with DeathRow Records, NONE OF US WILL EVER KNOW UNLESS DRE, DAZ, KURUPT or SNOOP comes out with a book EXPLAINING (in detail) about what happened.
everybody else's shit WILL BE speculation, biasness, 3rd & 4th party accounts without the actual blacknwhite papers, and disses about what happened. who knows, maybe Dre really did get paid what he was supposed to from The Chronic and Straight Outta Compton and just didn't appreciate his cut bcuz of how it blew up so he bounced, same with Cube and NWA, surely Daz would've left earlier if it was all that serious at DeathRow. u never know, it's really just all hype and bitterness. And honestly for the record I just don't trust Suge. If he came out with a book about DeathRow u know he would throw some hype and some exaggerations in there, not to say that they won't but I think their words would be a little more credible with Snoopy being at the bottom of the list and Dre being on top.
maybe Heller thought he was doing the right thing but just didn't really realize what he was doing. u can't blame ignorance or misunderstandings or something that wasn't intentional. now i'm not defending Jerry Heller bcuz like I said NONE OF US ACTUALLY KNOW (similar stories things can be said about Suge, Snoop thanked him in a recent interview) but most people when they read don't think with a 2-step mind, it's all 1-step mixed with a little gullableness and not actually knowing what tha fuck happened. Who knows, maybe Heller called Cube a nigger and Cube bounced. Maybe Heller got too comfortable with the word and Cube wasn't really feelin it.
LMAO...daz coming out with a book, now that would be pure comedy. I would definitely read that!
In ConCluzion fuc dem niggaz, I'm 38 I'm still young then half these niggaz in da game, The End. Cz up Cuz
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Ainīt Hellerīs Book Called: "Ruthless: A Memoir"?
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Hellers book is a great read. All you hardcore Eazy-E / Ruthless fans must check it out for yourself and decide what u believe or not.
I thought it was good.
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just bought my copy on amazon for $5 there a sale going right now
any other great books you guys recommend?
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just bought my copy on amazon for $5 there a sale going right now
any other great books you guys recommend?
-rollin' with dre
- dr.dre the biography by Ronin Ro
- The way i am by Eminem
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i don't know if i'll support jerry heller.
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so I just read that jerry heller book....wasn't that good, I hope hoping he was going to go in detail about Eazy it's on dr dre 187um and about gangsta dresta and bg knocc out about that era of ruthless but he didn't and he didn't go into detail about efil4zaggin
there were some good parts but it was pretty disappointing book
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so I just read that jerry heller book....wasn't that good, I hope hoping he was going to go in detail about Eazy it's on dr dre 187um and about gangsta dresta and bg knocc out about that era of ruthless but he didn't and he didn't go into detail about efil4zaggin
there were some good parts but it was pretty disappointing book
I wish he would've spoken more on Bone as well. He did put in one interesting anecdote about him basically screwing them into selling the rights to East 1999 Eternal album for something like 400,000. When the album went on to sell like 9 million copies.