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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: KURUPTION-81 on May 16, 2010, 07:24:20 AM
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Is it as simple as that for why Kurupt doesnt sell ?
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Part of Kurupts appeal to his biggest fans is that he's never tried to play the "superstar" or "Hollywood" role as Suge described it back in the day. So this helps him relate to his fans, but at the same time his image has never been one that had a lot of mainstream appeal. Even when Dogg Food was selling multi-platinum they had to lean alot on Snoop's superstar image to recieve the exposure they had at the time.
Kurupt if you watch him perform he doesn't take the lead as well as rappers like Snoop or Ice Cube, he's more like a brother from around the way, just one of the homies, he's never been a dude at the center of everyone's attention.
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I don't think that people don't like Kurupt, I just think it's a lack of major promotion. Not to mention the fact that the industry is overrun by pop-oriented commercial artists.
Kurupt is a great rapper (in my opinion), but his style is so different and raw compared to these mainstream artists.
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dont like him, in what sense? as a person? who knows..he could be the coolest cat on earth....
but if its, dont like him cause of his music..then yeah, thats probably it...its been pure ass for years..
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I don't think that people don't like Kurupt, I just think it's a lack of major promotion. Not to mention the fact that the industry is overrun by pop-oriented commercial artists.
Kurupt is a great rapper (in my opinion), but his style is so different and raw compared to these mainstream artists.
Eh, what about I'm Burnt or let's not forget the terrible "It's Over" from back in the days. So if he could, Kurupt would be on of those "mainstream, pop-oriented commercial" artist as you've labeled it. The difference between them and Kurupt is that they were able to crossover while Kurupt failed. It has nothing to do with his "raw" style.
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I don't think that people don't like Kurupt, I just think it's a lack of major promotion. Not to mention the fact that the industry is overrun by pop-oriented commercial artists.
Kurupt is a great rapper (in my opinion), but his style is so different and raw compared to these mainstream artists.
Eh, what about I'm Burnt or let's not forget the terrible "It's Over" from back in the days. So if he could, Kurupt would be on of those "mainstream, pop-oriented commercial" artist as you've labeled it. The difference between them and Kurupt is that they were able to crossover while Kurupt failed. It has nothing to do with his "raw" style.
true shit all the way but i know a gang of bitches that loved that track. shit my girl cousin from Trenton was on that shit hard and actually brought her 1st "gangsta rap" album just bcuz of that song. mind u she was 16/17 at the time.
kurupt should'nt try 2 hard 2 be on that "atomic mc" delivery he be on. sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. i actually think Kurupt sounded fresher than he's ever been in a while when BlaQout dropped. now if he could apply that same style with his "raw" lyrics and make sense then I think Kurupt would have a more wider appeal. given the oppurtunity to get the banginest beats and some spotlight, maybe a Nip Hussle or JadaKiss feature with a Will.I.Am feature, beat, and hook. I could see Kurupt making big noise (atleast 4 a second anyways) if that were to rock. as long as it ain't an anything as track and has some support behind it (106th n park and radio play outside of just the westcoast 4 starters).
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I always believed that this song could be big in mainstream if pushed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IV9pijJsN70
just lovin the vibe of it...
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I know a lot of money was spent promotin the Kuruption album. Anyone who remembers that time when it came out remembers that long ass commercial that was corny as hell with a news reporter saying "this week in Kurupt news" and had Kurupt running from gunfire or something, that played every commercial break on BETrapcity for around a whole month st8 at the time of the album release.
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I don't think it's because people "don't like" him. Other people have been correct about him not receiving much promotion, though realistically he doesn't really have that star attraction that would warrant it.
I always like Kurupt, but I stopped following him because he's just so inconsistent, particularly after leaving Death Row. I bought Kuruption the day it came out, and while I was bumping "We Can Freak It" for days, the rest of the album was just mediocre. Then came his horrible Xxplosive verse, but then Tha Streetz Iz a Mutha was just amazing, then after that it got mediocre again, then I stopped peeping him. And I used to buy every CD he was on, even if it was only one song or whatever (like that Escape from Death Row compilation that was mostly trash after the first few tracks).
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Kurupt has always been appealing to music fans. Even when he was putting out pure garbage people still gave him his respect as a lyricist. But to most people this is his first album since 2001. Its not impossible to keep Hip-Hop fans interested during a 9 year hiatus.
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well we all know red rum dont like him
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Problem is hes sucked for a long time, drugs have taken their toll on him. He sold plenty of records when he was actually dope, so its a bullshit excuse on his part. Dogg Food went triple plat and his first 2 solos went Gold.
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drugs have taken their toll on him
Truth.
Drug madness starts at 3:20 lol
http://www.youtube.com/v/i3kU2Nc7nAg&hl=en_US&fs=1&
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he's just not mainstream, that's all.
his music isn't radio friendly, isn't down with the times & simply doesn't connect with today's teens who listen to the radio & buy albums.
honestly, thinking about it, if it wasn't for this website i would have never known he even made "Streetlights", same goes for "Blaqout".
no promotion.
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I know a lot of people who absolutetly loved Kurupt. I think if you look back from Up In Smoke Tour days to even on Death Row, he had a huge fan base of people who would have said he was one of their favorite rappers.
I think it's more about the way his shit has been put out through the years. I look at everything he's put out since "Space Boogie" and I think there's been a lot of confusion amongst consumers with his solo projects and what not. He's put out compilations like Originals and the J. Wells thing, he's done a bunch of collabo albums, and there's been a fake early "Against The Grain" legal bootleg, the Death Row one Koch did, and the same album re-released with a few changes as "Down and Dirty". Then there's the Kurupt solo he put out as "Young Gotti". More so, I think it's about selling up the big project you're working on. Even when Daz was dropping independent solos, fans always knew "So So Gangsta" was the one he was working on. I think you got to create that awareness early on.
I know me personally, I've bought every album Kurupt has put out except that stupid-ass Wideawake project. Has Kurupt ever commented on that release because I can't imagine that helped him out much.
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its all about promotion,always will be
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Even when Dogg Food was selling multi-platinum they had to lean alot on Snoop's superstar image to recieve the exposure they had at the time.
Yeah, and because everyone had just bought the Chronic and Doggystyle, everyone was ready to buy whatever the fuck else was put out by Death Row, I know I was, because those were two ridiculously dope albums. I think it had loads of pre-orders just from the hype
Also, what was funny was a lot of people didn't know who the Dogg Pound were meant to be until that album dropped, because up until around then, it wasn't really clear that it was meant to be just Daz and Kurupt.
Lots of people thought it was kinda like Snoop and his group, so like Snoop as the main act on the record and RBX, Daz, Rage, Kurupt, Nate, Dre, and everyone all on it (which is kinda like all 3, Chronic, Doggystyle, Dogg Food are all kinda like group efforts), so a lot of people didn't know they were buying a Kurupt and Daz album
Also most people couldn't tell which one was Daz and which one was Kurupt as it wasn't clear from the records and there was no internet to look shit up on
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Yup. Dogg Pound in the 90's was like G-Unit when 50 blew up. Snoop had established it as a brand name. I think Kurupt was way more popular than he gets credit for though.
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Even when Dogg Food was selling multi-platinum they had to lean alot on Snoop's superstar image to recieve the exposure they had at the time.
Yeah, and because everyone had just bought the Chronic and Doggystyle, everyone was ready to buy whatever the fuck else was put out by Death Row, I know I was, because those were two ridiculously dope albums. I think it had loads of pre-orders just from the hype
Also, what was funny was a lot of people didn't know who the Dogg Pound were meant to be until that album dropped, because up until around then, it wasn't really clear that it was meant to be just Daz and Kurupt.
Lots of people thought it was kinda like Snoop and his group, so like Snoop as the main act on the record and RBX, Daz, Rage, Kurupt, Nate, Dre, and everyone all on it (which is kinda like all 3, Chronic, Doggystyle, Dogg Food are all kinda like group efforts), so a lot of people didn't know they were buying a Kurupt and Daz album
Also most people couldn't tell which one was Daz and which one was Kurupt as it wasn't clear from the records and there was no internet to look shit up on
i braille you on that cause i remember when the doggy dogg world video came out,some people thought kurupt and daz was actually outkast!!!!!!!!!!!! lol him and daz never really got established as there own group,hell even tho kurupt killed new york new york, the thing you thing about most in the video was snoop kicc'n down buildings yell
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I would've baught it but I'm broke as fuck.
Plus I have 700 other cd's to buy that I don't have in my collection yet.
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his music isn't radio friendly, isn't down with the times & simply doesn't connect with today's teens who listen to the radio & buy albums.
Yes it is (I'm Burnt), yes it is (I'm Burnt), you're only right about the last one. People need to stop acting like their favorite rapper hasn't tried to crossover but failed miserably and ever since that it's all about "fuck the mainstream" attitude from him and their fans. Not directed at you Cham btw.
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He doesn't sell records because a lot of the shit he puts out is WACK
he wasn't complaining about this during his death row days when he was putting out quality
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LOL,between this and that dubcc video kurupt has turned into a whiny emo bitch.
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At one time Kurupt was a multi=platinum artist, and at one time you couldn't mention the best emcees of the era, 1995-2002, without saying Kurupt's name. Sadly, it's 2010, and no one is looking for Kurupt anymore. But he had a run that any other artist would kill for. You asked an artist right now, and you tell them in 2 years, you'd be in one of the most critically praised albums of all time, then team up with a great producer who'd you have a multi-platinum album in 5 years, in between you'd been in many soundtracks, and your next three albums over the next 7 years will all go gold, and you'll have a cult following after that, would you pass that career up? There are only so many Snoops and Jay-Zs, and when compared to them, yeah Kurupt is underrated, but overall Kurupt has had a great career and has put out classic music. Dude needs no one to co-sign him as an all time great.
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Kurupt is cool than mutha fucca..When Dre puts an album out LA radio might play the whole thing 2 promote it resulting n a bunch of hit records off the album. Artist r gettin shafted out here!
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Kurupt's problem is that he doesnt know how to appease a broader audience. Why? Because he is lazy and doesnt care anymore. In the brief stint that he spent back on Death Row, there was a short glimpse of the old kurupt where he actually put thought into his lyrics. I honestly dont want to hear kurupt take out a dictionary and list every word that rhymes back to back to baack to back to back. I want to hear a story that flows like he used to rap back in the Dogg Food days. He is no longer smooth, he is unpolished and has lost his touch.
It also doesnt help that he cant choose production to save his life. Im sorry, BUT streetlights is all over the place. Do you want to make a rap album or a bullshit "FIXXERS ATTEMPT?" I dont know, doesnt seem that he does either. The best tracks are the intro and the pete rock "yessir." The rest seems like it is concept garbage.
He needs to get people around him that will tell him what is good and what is not instead of saying everything is great.
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he is lazy and doesnt care anymore. In the brief stint that he spent back on Death Row, there was a short glimpse of the old kurupt where he actually put thought into his lyrics..
1st part was true the 2nd part was way opposite
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One word: PROMOTION
Remember when Streez iz a Mutha, and Space Boogie came out? Hella promotion, and most likely they sold well
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I don't think that people don't like Kurupt, I just think it's a lack of major promotion. Not to mention the fact that the industry is overrun by pop-oriented commercial artists.
Kurupt is a great rapper (in my opinion), but his style is so different and raw compared to these mainstream artists.
Eh, what about I'm Burnt or let's not forget the terrible "It's Over" from back in the days. So if he could, Kurupt would be on of those "mainstream, pop-oriented commercial" artist as you've labeled it. The difference between them and Kurupt is that they were able to crossover while Kurupt failed. It has nothing to do with his "raw" style.
hahaha was gonna say the same thing, he has all this mainstream sounding bullshit lateley and he still gets no props.
90% of people I know dont buy cd's anymore anyway and its hard to hit platinum these days anywayz
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All I can think of whenever kurupt releases these emo statements lately is....bitch nigga,you more of a bitch then a bitch.
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Lol at all this "he could sell if the music was better". Y'all are living in dreamworld. No other west coast rapper has been able to sell, why would Kurupt? Regardless of whether the music is good or not, or even if its classic, its not going to sell with today's mainstream trends. Even if he tried to make a hipster album, no one would give him a chance because of his image as a west coast artist.
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The West Coast is in the Twilight Zone
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Kurupt is becoming a bitter old man with that video and all this shit he's saying lately.
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Kurupt had his 15 minutes of fame and wont be appreciated till he dies or he retires
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IT DONT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH NOT LIKING KURUPT OR ANY OTHER ARTIST FOR THAT FACT BOTTOM LINE TECHNOLOGY CHANGED THE GAME MORE THAN HALF THE FANS TO ANY MUSIC JUST DOWNLOAD THE SHIT FOR FREE NOT TO MANY GO OUT AN BUY IT. NOW IM NOT SAYING ALL PEEPS DONT GO BUY IT BUT MAN MUSIC NOW DAYS GETS DOWNLOADED JUST LIKE MOVIES NOW AND DOESNT MATTER IF YOU HAVE MAD PROMOTION OR NOT LOOK AT 50 CENTS LAST ONE THAT GOES TO SHOW YOU WITH ALL THE PROMOTION HE DID FOR THAT ALBUM AND AS KNOWN AS HE IS HE DIDNT SELL SHIT EITHER. I DONT THINK IS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANY OF THE ARTISTS SELLIN RECORDS ITS JUST THE WAY THE GAME IS NOW DAYS AND I THINK ITS ONLY GONNA GET WORSE. IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT ALL RECORD SALES ARE WAY DOWN FROM LETS SAY 5 TO 10 YEARS AGO YOU GOTTA DO YOUR SHIT INDEPENDENT AN GO ON TOURS TO MAKE YOUR CASH.
So Kurupt Keep doin your thing homie peeps are listenin and Im still a fan since the early 90's the game changed but you still have peeps out here supporting your music! Keepp crankin out music like Daz he seems to give us an album independently all the time more than most indi artist and i know hes makin some money shit! dpg fo life! keep crankin out that hard ass music!
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i think these are 2 good reasons why Kurupt doesn't sell many units.
1) he doesn't make any sense when he raps.
2) people are tired of hearing about the same subjects over and over again.
I think working with the mighty Clint Dingo might bring back his credability and who knows maybe Dingo will even ghost write for him, the lyrics would be awful but at least we'd be able to understand him!
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when doggystyle dropped i thought kurupt stole the show, some of the most memorable lines to me were by kurupt. shit, i liked snoop though but whenever it was kurupt´s turn to spit he just ripped it
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he is lazy and doesnt care anymore. In the brief stint that he spent back on Death Row, there was a short glimpse of the old kurupt where he actually put thought into his lyrics..
1st part was true the 2nd part was way opposite
how do you figure? its pretty obvious that everything is true
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It's just funny how he won't even acknowledge the possibility that he's fallen off as a reason why he doesn't sell records anymore.
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A few reasons. One...is he's too inconsistent nowadays. He'll put out some dope stuff and then the next track you hear from him, he's just cursing every other word and talking lazily on the beat instead of rapping.
The 2nd reason is just that the game has changed and Kurupt really hasn't. Yeah he tried to fit in with "Its Over" and stuff like that, but that was 10 years ago almost. He makes the same music now that he was making in 2005 and the game has changed alot in that time and he hasn't changed with it. So I'm sure his core fan base is still checking for him, but people who see a new Kurupt song up on a hip hop site, and don't know his backstory, or history in the game will prolly think his new stuff is wack.
Its unfortunate because Kurupt used to be one of my favorites...him and Prodigy from Mobb Deep used to be so ill in the 90's and when the new millenium came, they both have become real hit or miss.
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drugs have taken their toll on him
Truth.
Drug madness starts at 3:20 lol
http://www.youtube.com/v/i3kU2Nc7nAg&hl=en_US&fs=1&
lmao +1
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"I don't sell a lot of records cause people don't like me." -Kurupt
Lol.. is that even for real... what did he do next cry in the corner like he's in preschool?
It's one thing to not like an album, its another to act like a bitch..
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I know a lot of money was spent promotin the Kuruption album. Anyone who remembers that time when it came out remembers that long ass commercial that was corny as hell with a news reporter saying "this week in Kurupt news" and had Kurupt running from gunfire or something, that played every commercial break on BETrapcity for around a whole month st8 at the time of the album release.
Real talk!!plus everybody was hyped up for that album..
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Kurupt lacks promotion, period!!!!!!!! what if defjam signed him, and with lyor cohen as the boss, not L.A Reid(the pop music exec), he probably would have been receiving the push that rappers at defjam used to get back in the days, but what do we have these days, a jimmy iovine that supports black eyed peas(as opposed to stat quo, who left eventually) and sells headphones with a dr dre that is not playing with our emotions when it comes to detox.....
keep doing your thang kurupt,some of us loyal fans, got you!!!!
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I like him, I like his rap skills and I think he is actually getting better. I just don't like his production. If you want to install all your words to me, I usually need a beat I can feel and remember.
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kurupt had a good run.u cant expect to sale records if u dont make records thats worthy of being bought,kurupt lacks creativity now a days,he raps sounds lazy.instead of upgradeing h downgraded,but still he had a good run,alot of artist cant say that.
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Kurupt is becoming a bitter old man with that video and all this shit he's saying lately.
lol@ that william regal shit my equal hahhahahahahaha yell
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I don't think that people don't like Kurupt, I just think it's a lack of major promotion. Not to mention the fact that the industry is overrun by pop-oriented commercial artists.
Kurupt is a great rapper (in my opinion), but his style is so different and raw compared to these mainstream artists.
Eh, what about I'm Burnt or let's not forget the terrible "It's Over" from back in the days. So if he could, Kurupt would be on of those "mainstream, pop-oriented commercial" artist as you've labeled it. The difference between them and Kurupt is that they were able to crossover while Kurupt failed. It has nothing to do with his "raw" style.
hahaha was gonna say the same thing, he has all this mainstream sounding bullshit lateley and he still gets no props.
90% of people I know dont buy cd's anymore anyway and its hard to hit platinum these days anywayz
I'm saying though, who really knew that this project was dropping outside of the Internet and his core fan base?
Did he service his videos to television?
I really think promotion is the first problem.
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I dont know why people have to call him a "bitch" or a "pussy" or whatever cuz he said this. Honestly, yeah Dogg Food and Kuruption are probably better than the new stuff, but the main fact is Kurupt is just an overlooked artist who still had a good run. I think his second run with Death Row was a mistake in the aspect of keeping a buzz since the album kept getting pushed back (it's a surprise it ever came out honestly). But really the guy is still talented and I don't think it matters who you had produce his album (even Dr. Dre), he's just not gonna sell. His time in the limelight passed, and although he might still make great music the public just aren't into West Coast artists that much, nor are the much for good music in general. Add into the equation downloading and whatnot, and its obvious he won't meet the sales numbers of Dogg Food or Kuruption. I just say that I hope he keeps his head up and keeps trying to make good records, and that the people who dig him keep supporting him.
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Promotion may be the problem, but its far easier to get promotion when you are an up-and-coming rapper with the mainstream sound and a major behind you, instead of a fallen off 90s rapper who no label would touch. Who do you think has all the connections and is paying for all this promotion that mainstream artists get?
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lol