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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: Triple OG Rapsodie on May 16, 2010, 01:14:16 AM
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i'll bring this thread back up in a month & i want you guys to honestly tell me if you're still listening to this.
Be honest, are you still listening to Pig Face Weapon Waist?
i haven't even heard that entire EP. :sshh:
you guys need a life; just because Nas is the Golden Boy & can't go wrong & they put together an album with a different sound, doesn't make it automatic sex on a plate.
i'm not saying you can't like it, i'm not trying to call it trash either, but i'll be impressed if you guys are still bumping it by the end of the month & haven't moved on to something else.
Elano, son. you've been banned seventeen times for having a retarded opinion on things & this website is your morning, afternoon & night; it's time to just admit that your nickname of "fail" is more than just a joke, it's a true reality of your life.
close minded ass people on this board; a brotha can't even express his opinion; smh. :grumpy:
??? how is crooked i in your top 10 and you haven't even listened to his debut months after it was released?
In what way is pigface his debut?its not an lp and not even his first ep ???
Anyway album is dope,Im a damian marley fan,welcome to jamrock was a solid album.
EPs are albums are they not? Isn't Ren's Kiss my Black Azz his debut album? No need to make an exception for Crooked.
Speaking of being off topic, since when do all the threads stay on topic? Is this one of those new rules?
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i'll bring this thread back up in a month & i want you guys to honestly tell me if you're still listening to this.
Be honest, are you still listening to Pig Face Weapon Waist?
i haven't even heard that entire EP. :sshh:
you guys need a life; just because Nas is the Golden Boy & can't go wrong & they put together an album with a different sound, doesn't make it automatic sex on a plate.
i'm not saying you can't like it, i'm not trying to call it trash either, but i'll be impressed if you guys are still bumping it by the end of the month & haven't moved on to something else.
Elano, son. you've been banned seventeen times for having a retarded opinion on things & this website is your morning, afternoon & night; it's time to just admit that your nickname of "fail" is more than just a joke, it's a true reality of your life.
close minded ass people on this board; a brotha can't even express his opinion; smh. :grumpy:
??? how is crooked i in your top 10 and you haven't even listened to his debut months after it was released?
In what way is pigface his debut?its not an lp and not even his first ep ???
Anyway album is dope,Im a damian marley fan,welcome to jamrock was a solid album.
EPs are albums are they not? Isn't Ren's Kiss my Black Azz his debut album? No need to make an exception for Crooked.
Speaking of being off topic, since when do all the threads stay on topic? Is this one of those new rules?
EPS have never been considered debut albums.And pigface isnt his first ep.
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i'll bring this thread back up in a month & i want you guys to honestly tell me if you're still listening to this.
Be honest, are you still listening to Pig Face Weapon Waist?
i haven't even heard that entire EP. :sshh:
you guys need a life; just because Nas is the Golden Boy & can't go wrong & they put together an album with a different sound, doesn't make it automatic sex on a plate.
i'm not saying you can't like it, i'm not trying to call it trash either, but i'll be impressed if you guys are still bumping it by the end of the month & haven't moved on to something else.
Elano, son. you've been banned seventeen times for having a retarded opinion on things & this website is your morning, afternoon & night; it's time to just admit that your nickname of "fail" is more than just a joke, it's a true reality of your life.
close minded ass people on this board; a brotha can't even express his opinion; smh. :grumpy:
??? how is crooked i in your top 10 and you haven't even listened to his debut months after it was released?
In what way is pigface his debut?its not an lp and not even his first ep ???
Anyway album is dope,Im a damian marley fan,welcome to jamrock was a solid album.
EPs are albums are they not? Isn't Ren's Kiss my Black Azz his debut album? No need to make an exception for Crooked.
Speaking of being off topic, since when do all the threads stay on topic? Is this one of those new rules?
EPS have never been considered debut albums.And pigface isnt his first ep.
Mc Ren's was. No one calls Shock of the Hour his debut. Also, these aren't debuts but Ice Cube's Kill at Will and Eazy E's It's On are considered albums. Going by that logic, Crooked I has released two mediocre albums as his official discography.
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EPs are NOT albums, if people want to consider an EP an album they can do that, they are still wrong tho. EPs are actually something thats not too familiar to a lot of hip-hop listeners so they classify it as something more familiar to them, the album. in rock + dance music EPs are a lot more common and i think thats why theres a bit of confusion.
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EPs are NOT albums, if people want to consider an EP an album they can do that, they are still wrong tho. EPs are actually something thats not too familiar to a lot of hip-hop listeners so they classify it as something more familiar to them, the album. in rock + dance music EPs are a lot more common and i think thats why theres a bit of confusion.
I think you are the one who is mistaken. LP is not synonymous with album. LP and EP describe the length of the album.
I did a little searching. Couldn't find any statement from the Billboard, but According to the UK Charts, an album is classified as a recording either over 25 minutes or with more than four songs. That should end this debate considering most people on this site are from Europe. ;D
http://c0903002.cdn.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com/21-official-uk-charts-album-chart-rules-august-2009.pdf
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EPs are NOT albums, if people want to consider an EP an album they can do that, they are still wrong tho. EPs are actually something thats not too familiar to a lot of hip-hop listeners so they classify it as something more familiar to them, the album. in rock + dance music EPs are a lot more common and i think thats why theres a bit of confusion.
I think you are the one who is mistaken. LP is not synonymous with album. LP and EP describe the length of the album.
I did a little searching. Couldn't find any statement from the Billboard, but According to the UK Charts, an album is classified as a recording either over 25 minutes or with more than four songs. That should end this debate considering most people on this site are from Europe. ;D
http://c0903002.cdn.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com/21-official-uk-charts-album-chart-rules-august-2009.pdf
im from the uk and i can tell you the reason they brought in that classification is so that record companies could charge full album price for an ep. there were a lot of pissed off people when they brought that into effect.
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EPs are NOT albums, if people want to consider an EP an album they can do that, they are still wrong tho. EPs are actually something thats not too familiar to a lot of hip-hop listeners so they classify it as something more familiar to them, the album. in rock + dance music EPs are a lot more common and i think thats why theres a bit of confusion.
I think you are the one who is mistaken. LP is not synonymous with album. LP and EP describe the length of the album.
I did a little searching. Couldn't find any statement from the Billboard, but According to the UK Charts, an album is classified as a recording either over 25 minutes or with more than four songs. That should end this debate considering most people on this site are from Europe. ;D
http://c0903002.cdn.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com/21-official-uk-charts-album-chart-rules-august-2009.pdf
im from the uk and i can tell you the reason they brought in that classification is so that record companies could charge full album price for an ep. there were a lot of pissed off people when they brought that into effect.
I doubt its something new, considering Mc Ren's Kizz My Black Azz was on the charts, and that came out in 1992. Anyway, Lol @ you still arguing when your own country defines an EP as an album
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EPs are NOT albums, if people want to consider an EP an album they can do that, they are still wrong tho. EPs are actually something thats not too familiar to a lot of hip-hop listeners so they classify it as something more familiar to them, the album. in rock + dance music EPs are a lot more common and i think thats why theres a bit of confusion.
I think you are the one who is mistaken. LP is not synonymous with album. LP and EP describe the length of the album.
I did a little searching. Couldn't find any statement from the Billboard, but According to the UK Charts, an album is classified as a recording either over 25 minutes or with more than four songs. That should end this debate considering most people on this site are from Europe. ;D
http://c0903002.cdn.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com/21-official-uk-charts-album-chart-rules-august-2009.pdf
im from the uk and i can tell you the reason they brought in that classification is so that record companies could charge full album price for an ep. there were a lot of pissed off people when they brought that into effect.
I doubt its something new, considering Mc Ren's Kizz My Black Azz was on the charts, and that came out in 1992. Anyway, Lol @ you still arguing when your own country defines an EP as an album
lol at u actually looking up uk album chart rules to convince urself ur right. everyone knows what an ep is
Since the 1980s, many 'singles' have been released on formats with more than 2 tracks. Because of this, the definition of an EP is not determined only by the number of tracks or the playing time. An EP is typically seen as four (or more) tracks of equal importance, as opposed to a 4-track single with an obvious A-side and 3 B-sides.
In the UK, a release with more than four distinct tracks or with a playing time of more than 25 minutes is classified as an album for chart purposes.[3]
u failed bro
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EPs are NOT albums, if people want to consider an EP an album they can do that, they are still wrong tho. EPs are actually something thats not too familiar to a lot of hip-hop listeners so they classify it as something more familiar to them, the album. in rock + dance music EPs are a lot more common and i think thats why theres a bit of confusion.
I think you are the one who is mistaken. LP is not synonymous with album. LP and EP describe the length of the album.
I did a little searching. Couldn't find any statement from the Billboard, but According to the UK Charts, an album is classified as a recording either over 25 minutes or with more than four songs. That should end this debate considering most people on this site are from Europe. ;D
http://c0903002.cdn.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com/21-official-uk-charts-album-chart-rules-august-2009.pdf
im from the uk and i can tell you the reason they brought in that classification is so that record companies could charge full album price for an ep. there were a lot of pissed off people when they brought that into effect.
I doubt its something new, considering Mc Ren's Kizz My Black Azz was on the charts, and that came out in 1992. Anyway, Lol @ you still arguing when your own country defines an EP as an album
lol at u actually looking up uk album chart rules to convince urself ur right. everyone knows what an ep is
Since the 1980s, many 'singles' have been released on formats with more than 2 tracks. Because of this, the definition of an EP is not determined only by the number of tracks or the playing time. An EP is typically seen as four (or more) tracks of equal importance, as opposed to a 4-track single with an obvious A-side and 3 B-sides.
In the UK, a release with more than four distinct tracks or with a playing time of more than 25 minutes is classified as an album for chart purposes.[3]
u failed bro
you quoted something on wikipedia that doesn't even support your point. You failed bro.
I not only referenced EPs from the 90s that have been released as albums, but the official chart considers EPs to be albums as well. LMAO at you trying to argue against fact.
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They'd still be more like street albums anyway. They were digital releases put out in limited print.
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And Crooked I has released three eps.By your logic westcoastnostra is his debut.And hell,mixtapes are charted as well these days so why not consider those debuts as well right?
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I thought I cleared this up in the other thread officially.
EP - under 40minutes
LP - over 40 minutes
LP's are albums and since there is a very big difference in an EP and LP, no way should an EP ever be considered an "album" - whether an EP is their debut project or 7th retail charting release, it should NEVER EVER be categorized as an album (LP).
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Lol, I take this thread is stripped from the Distant Relatives thread. Who cares? Distant Relatives is an amazing album (regardless of what these so-called dubcnn experts on reggae think). And, oh yeah, the best E.P. (hip-hop) of all time is Creepin' On Ah Come Up. Peace!
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Lol, I take this thread is stripped from the Distant Relatives thread. Who cares? Distant Relatives is an amazing album (regardless of what these so-called dubcnn experts on reggae think). And, oh yeah, the best E.P. (hip-hop) of all time is Creepin' On Ah Come Up. Peace!
yeah i was just going to mention the first bone cd, thats an ep that is considered an album
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EPs are NOT albums
And that's all we need to know.
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who cares whatever it's called.
if a rapper calls it an EP, it's an EP; if he calls it a Street Album, it's a Street Album; if he calls it a Mixtape, it's a Mixtape; if he calls it an Album, it's an Album.
don't tell a man what his work is considered.
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I complain everytime Budden releases a song that is only 5 minutes long!
I believe there is a perfect length to a song, whether you are structuring it for radio or not. There is a certain timeframe in which your brain will be able to focus on any 1 track and enjoy it and leave you wanting to replay it.. Instead of it wearing out on you before the first spin... Generally 3-4 minutes...
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I thought I cleared this up in the other thread officially.
EP - under 40minutes
LP - over 40 minutes
LP's are albums and since there is a very big difference in an EP and LP, no way should an EP ever be considered an "album" - whether an EP is their debut project or 7th retail charting release, it should NEVER EVER be categorized as an album (LP).
"Illmatic" is under 40 minutes.
So are "Creepin On Ahh Come Up" & "The Sun Rises In The East".
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I complain everytime Budden releases a song that is only 5 minutes long!
I believe there is a perfect length to a song, whether you are structuring it for radio or not. There is a certain timeframe in which your brain will be able to focus on any 1 track and enjoy it and leave you wanting to replay it.. Instead of it wearing out on you before the first spin... Generally 3-4 minutes...
How can that be true if Too Short can make an 8 minute song of his slow rhyming entirely about screwing hoes and it becomes a classic?
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Enough of this overmodding....
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I thought I cleared this up in the other thread officially.
EP - under 40minutes
LP - over 40 minutes
LP's are albums and since there is a very big difference in an EP and LP, no way should an EP ever be considered an "album" - whether an EP is their debut project or 7th retail charting release, it should NEVER EVER be categorized as an album (LP).
"Illmatic" is under 40 minutes.
So are "Creepin On Ahh Come Up" & "The Sun Rises In The East".
so are Kizz My Black Azz (Mc Ren's debut), Kill At Will, Its On Dr. Dre 187um Killa
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And Crooked I has released three eps.By your logic westcoastnostra is his debut.And hell,mixtapes are charted as well these days so why not consider those debuts as well right?
I'm pretty sure Westcoastnostra was a mixtape. The only reason Crooked's EPs aren't considered his debut is because neither him nor the fans want to acknowledge them as such (they weren't worthy to be his debut).
I just pointed out the official source, plus albums from the 90s that are EPs. If its takes more than that to convince you, y'all are idiots. I'm out, can't do more than present fact.
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I thought I cleared this up in the other thread officially.
EP - under 40minutes
LP - over 40 minutes
LP's are albums and since there is a very big difference in an EP and LP, no way should an EP ever be considered an "album" - whether an EP is their debut project or 7th retail charting release, it should NEVER EVER be categorized as an album (LP).
so wu massacre is an ep?!
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I thought I cleared this up in the other thread officially.
EP - under 40minutes
LP - over 40 minutes
LP's are albums and since there is a very big difference in an EP and LP, no way should an EP ever be considered an "album" - whether an EP is their debut project or 7th retail charting release, it should NEVER EVER be categorized as an album (LP).
"Illmatic" is under 40 minutes.
So are "Creepin On Ahh Come Up" & "The Sun Rises In The East".
so are Kizz My Black Azz (Mc Ren's debut), Kill At Will, Its On Dr. Dre 187um Killa
Then why aren't "Kill At Will" & "It's On" considered albums?
Seems the "EP" concept doesn't apply when it's a debut.
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It definitely depends on what the artist does with the music over that time period and whether or not the music itself changes - if it's the same loop there's a higher chance I'll get bored quicker even if the artist is dope.
Take for example, Dalek released a 6 minute track called "Distorted Prose" on the 2004 album Absence. I can listen to that joint straight through and not wonder where the time went or get bored. Likewise I can have Jay Electronica Exhibit C on repeat and not get bored.
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I thought I cleared this up in the other thread officially.
EP - under 40minutes
LP - over 40 minutes
LP's are albums and since there is a very big difference in an EP and LP, no way should an EP ever be considered an "album" - whether an EP is their debut project or 7th retail charting release, it should NEVER EVER be categorized as an album (LP).
"Illmatic" is under 40 minutes.
So are "Creepin On Ahh Come Up" & "The Sun Rises In The East".
so are Kizz My Black Azz (Mc Ren's debut), Kill At Will, Its On Dr. Dre 187um Killa
Then why aren't "Kill At Will" & "It's On" considered albums?
Seems the "EP" concept doesn't apply when it's a debut.
They aren't? I'm pretty sure they were when they were released.
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I thought I cleared this up in the other thread officially.
EP - under 40minutes
LP - over 40 minutes
LP's are albums and since there is a very big difference in an EP and LP, no way should an EP ever be considered an "album" - whether an EP is their debut project or 7th retail charting release, it should NEVER EVER be categorized as an album (LP).
"Illmatic" is under 40 minutes.
So are "Creepin On Ahh Come Up" & "The Sun Rises In The East".
so are Kizz My Black Azz (Mc Ren's debut), Kill At Will, Its On Dr. Dre 187um Killa
Then why aren't "Kill At Will" & "It's On" considered albums?
Seems the "EP" concept doesn't apply when it's a debut.
They aren't? I'm pretty sure they were when they were released.
Isn't that what this discussion is about?
People not considering those albums.
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Ep is always short, usually 6 to 7 songs. As others pointed out below 40 minutes.
LP's are whate people call ablums - usually longer than 40 minutes.
Usually it doesn't matter because they both contain album quality material. Eps either tend to reflect leftovers, a collection of random songs, or precursor to the album.
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westcoastanostra was 7 or 8 tracks,all original songs and was available only digital with limited hard copies,the same as pigface and block obama 2.Like cham said,its up the artist themself what is dictated.Rappers release street albums all the time with all original songs but they arent considered their debut albums.Its whatever the aritst presents it as,some guy on a forum isnt going to dictate what is and isnt an album lol.
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It definitely depends on what the artist does with the music over that time period and whether or not the music itself changes - if it's the same loop there's a higher chance I'll get bored quicker even if the artist is dope.
Take for example, Dalek released a 6 minute track called "Distorted Prose" on the 2004 album Absence. I can listen to that joint straight through and not wonder where the time went or get bored. Likewise I can have Jay Electronica Exhibit C on repeat and not get bored.
I disagree. Freaky Tales has the same basic loop for 8 minutes and every 4th bar starts with "I met this girl" or something to that effect.
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westcoastanostra was 7 or 8 tracks,all original songs and was available only digital with limited hard copies,the same as pigface and block obama 2.Like cham said,its up the artist themself what is dictated.Rappers release street albums all the time with all original songs but they arent considered their debut albums.Its whatever the aritst presents it as,some guy on a forum isnt going to dictate what is and isnt an album lol.
First off, I ain't dictating, I'm going by the official source. You're the one dictating. :)
Second, Westcoastanostra was released as a mixtape. I don't think whether the songs were original or not matters when its labeled a mixtape.
And didn't I just say the only reason its not considered his debut is because of Crooked I and the fans don't want to label it as such? So you are taking back your original stance that EPs have never been considered albums.
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Well first off you were going on about pigface being his debut,which already was an L for you.And wether its an ep,a mixtape or a street album its not a debut album.They were digital only eps,not his debut album.I mean,cashis released an ep on shady but nobody presents it as his debut album.
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Well first off you were going on about pigface being his debut,which already was an L for you.And wether its an ep,a mixtape or a street album its not a debut album.They were digital only eps,not his debut album.I mean,cashis released an ep on shady but nobody presents it as his debut album.
Lol, all I did was ask Cham why he hasn't listened to Crooked's debut album and you immediately jumped in and said EPs are NEVER considered debut albums. Go back and read the discussion. You're the one who came in like you knew what was up and kept insisting. I think you take the L here.
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Again,how could it be his debut when it wasnt even his first ep released? ::)
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I mean,if your the only person calling it his debut,not his fans,not himself,not labels not magaiznes or sites or anybody but you,whos the person whos correct?you,or every other single person and publication?lol
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Again,how could it be his debut when it wasnt even his first ep released? ::)
avoiding your L I see. Just admit that EPs have been and can be albums.
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Again,how could it be his debut when it wasnt even his first ep released? ::)
avoiding your L I see. Just admit that EPs have been and can be albums.
Theyve always been presented as eps not albums.Take your L for not even knowng how many eps crooked has released and quit trying to find ways to hate.
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Again,how could it be his debut when it wasnt even his first ep released? ::)
avoiding your L I see. Just admit that EPs have been and can be albums.
Theyve always been presented as eps not albums.Take your L for not even knowng how many eps crooked has released and quit trying to find ways to hate.
Major loss of respect for you for not being able to take any kind of L. Go back through this thread and look at all the previous albums that have been listed, and the official statement. I'm out.
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What you mean the same way you cant take an L for calling pigface weapon waist crooked is debut album?That was one of the dumbest things Ive read on this forum and you cant even admit it.
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I complain everytime Budden releases a song that is only 5 minutes long!
I believe there is a perfect length to a song, whether you are structuring it for radio or not. There is a certain timeframe in which your brain will be able to focus on any 1 track and enjoy it and leave you wanting to replay it.. Instead of it wearing out on you before the first spin... Generally 3-4 minutes...
How can that be true if Too Short can make an 8 minute song of his slow rhyming entirely about screwing hoes and it becomes a classic?
I hate Too Short and I never listen to him, so speak for yourself if you think he puts out classics...
It definitely depends on what the artist does with the music over that time period and whether or not the music itself changes - if it's the same loop there's a higher chance I'll get bored quicker even if the artist is dope.
Take for example, Dalek released a 6 minute track called "Distorted Prose" on the 2004 album Absence. I can listen to that joint straight through and not wonder where the time went or get bored. Likewise I can have Jay Electronica Exhibit C on repeat and not get bored.
I know, but I am saying for MOST songs. The long tracks on D.R. did not hold my attention... They didn't add enough elements to the beats to pull that off imo..
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Enough of this overmodding....
Stop going off-topic then, you just can't help yourself?
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Enough of this overmodding....
Stop going off-topic then, you just can't help yourself?
The OP was off topic
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^^ Meho was off-topic?
The thread is about Nas & Damian Marley - Distant Relatives, not everything else.
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It definitely depends on what the artist does with the music over that time period and whether or not the music itself changes - if it's the same loop there's a higher chance I'll get bored quicker even if the artist is dope.
Take for example, Dalek released a 6 minute track called "Distorted Prose" on the 2004 album Absence. I can listen to that joint straight through and not wonder where the time went or get bored. Likewise I can have Jay Electronica Exhibit C on repeat and not get bored.
I know, but I am saying for MOST songs. The long tracks on D.R. did not hold my attention... They didn't add enough elements to the beats to pull that off imo..
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I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm just stating my personal opinion when it comes to listening to longer music.
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The EP is the future. LP's will always exist, but people are more likely to pay for a download with 5 tracks than for a download with 15 tracks.
5 tracks / €3.99
15 tracks / €9.99
It's a good deal for the artist and for the label and it doesn't cost the listener a lot of money.
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Westcoasanostra = EP
Creep on ah Come Up = EP
EP = 0-40 min
LP = 40-80 min
Whoever markets their EP as an album (the "artist/label preference" you guys mentioned) are misleading their customers. Man the fuck up, record 8 more songs and call that bitch an album!
We digress though; these are technical terms, releases are releases.
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Westcoasanostra = EP
Creep on ah Come Up = EP
EP = 0-40 min
LP = 40-80 min
Whoever markets their EP as an album (the "artist/label preference" you guys mentioned) are misleading their customers. Man the fuck up, record 8 more songs and call that bitch an album!
We digress though; these are technical terms, releases are releases.
Illmatic is an ep then...
So is Jeru The Damaja's Debut.
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Westcoasanostra = EP
Creep on ah Come Up = EP
EP = 0-40 min
LP = 40-80 min
Whoever markets their EP as an album (the "artist/label preference" you guys mentioned) are misleading their customers. Man the fuck up, record 8 more songs and call that bitch an album!
We digress though; these are technical terms, releases are releases.
Illmatic is an ep then...
So is Jeru The Damaja's Debut.
They're albums...
Forget about the whole EP/LP thing. That comes from the days from before Philips invented the CD.
EP's and LP's are both albums, but an EP can never be a maxi single.
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folks yall are confused! i already posted the explanation on the first page. it doesnt go by length or tracks, GENERALLY an EP will be under 40 minutes but there is no rule were anything under 40 minutes is an EP, thats just a rough number that someone threw out there.
EP = Extended Play which is an extended single. it can either be a single to promote and album (but with more tracks than a normal single) or it can be (and usually is) all new material. they are only put in the albums chart for sales purposes, as dude to the higher price they would not be able to compete in the singles chart
i hope this clears it up, this is all knowledge from listening to rock music and techno, EPs are not a popular format in hip-hop i think thats why some folks are unsure.
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What you mean the same way you cant take an L for calling pigface weapon waist crooked is debut album?That was one of the dumbest things Ive read on this forum and you cant even admit it.
Its not stupid when by all technical standards it is an album. Crooked I just doesn't want to label it as his "official album"
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Enough of this overmodding....
Stop going off-topic then, you just can't help yourself?
Since when do threads have to stay to one topic? Is this one of those new rules? Secondly, who are you to decide where a thread goes? What if the original poster had wanted the thread to move in a different direction?
Anyway, you fail for merging posts about the long song lengths of the Nas album into my discussion about EP/LP. I don't want my EP discussion to be about anything else.
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Westcoasanostra = EP
Creep on ah Come Up = EP
EP = 0-40 min
LP = 40-80 min
Whoever markets their EP as an album (the "artist/label preference" you guys mentioned) are misleading their customers. Man the fuck up, record 8 more songs and call that bitch an album!
We digress though; these are technical terms, releases are releases.
Illmatic is an ep then...
So is Jeru The Damaja's Debut.
They're albums...
Forget about the whole EP/LP thing. That comes from the days from before Philips invented the CD.
EP's and LP's are both albums, but an EP can never be a maxi single.
You're reiterating the whole discussion again. What if the maxi-single had 5 extra songs, in addition to the title single? What if they were all different songs, and no other edits of the title single were included. What if the single was never eventually released on an album or other release?
You could then consider this "maxi-single" an album, and then even an EP is a more suitable label.. Boom, a maxi single can be an EP.
And yes, now that I think about it, I would totally classify Illmatic as an EP technically... But since it's soooo close and not so obvious, meh.
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Westcoasanostra = EP
Creep on ah Come Up = EP
EP = 0-40 min
LP = 40-80 min
Whoever markets their EP as an album (the "artist/label preference" you guys mentioned) are misleading their customers. Man the fuck up, record 8 more songs and call that bitch an album!
We digress though; these are technical terms, releases are releases.
Illmatic is an ep then...
So is Jeru The Damaja's Debut.
They're albums...
Forget about the whole EP/LP thing. That comes from the days from before Philips invented the CD.
EP's and LP's are both albums, but an EP can never be a maxi single.
You're reiterating the whole discussion again. What if the maxi-single had 5 extra songs, in addition to the title single? What if they were all different songs, and no other edits of the title single were included. What if the single was never eventually released on an album or other release?
You could then consider this "maxi-single" an album, and then even an EP is a more suitable label.. Boom, a maxi single can be an EP.
And yes, now that I think about it, I would totally classify Illmatic as an EP technically... But since it's soooo close and not so obvious, meh.
well in the chart rules maxi singles are clearly mentioned as not being albums
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Westcoasanostra = EP
Creep on ah Come Up = EP
EP = 0-40 min
LP = 40-80 min
Whoever markets their EP as an album (the "artist/label preference" you guys mentioned) are misleading their customers. Man the fuck up, record 8 more songs and call that bitch an album!
We digress though; these are technical terms, releases are releases.
Illmatic is an ep then...
So is Jeru The Damaja's Debut.
They're albums...
Forget about the whole EP/LP thing. That comes from the days from before Philips invented the CD.
EP's and LP's are both albums, but an EP can never be a maxi single.
You're reiterating the whole discussion again. What if the maxi-single had 5 extra songs, in addition to the title single? What if they were all different songs, and no other edits of the title single were included. What if the single was never eventually released on an album or other release?
You could then consider this "maxi-single" an album, and then even an EP is a more suitable label.. Boom, a maxi single can be an EP.
And yes, now that I think about it, I would totally classify Illmatic as an EP technically... But since it's soooo close and not so obvious, meh.
well in the chart rules maxi singles are clearly mentioned as not being albums
Are we talking about Billboard categorization or the length of releases?
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I'm pro-modding in this fashion. As long as a mod is not editing someone's content then it shouldn't be a problem.
As for the topic of this thread, obviously artistic intention also plays a role. Nas mean illmatic to be his debut album, not an ep and thus it is not an ep. As someone else said most hip-hop artist don't drop EPs. If they do, as Royce has, it's a preview of the album or tracks that stand alone.
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Since when do threads have to stay to one topic? Is this one of those new rules? Secondly, who are you to decide where a thread goes? What if the original poster had wanted the thread to move in a different direction?
Anyway, you fail for merging posts about the long song lengths of the Nas album into my discussion about EP/LP. I don't want my EP discussion to be about anything else.
Since always, with some exceptions for the G-spot.
If you wish to discuss something else, discuss it in another thread, or create a new thread. Tough concept?
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Since when do threads have to stay to one topic? Is this one of those new rules? Secondly, who are you to decide where a thread goes? What if the original poster had wanted the thread to move in a different direction?
Anyway, you fail for merging posts about the long song lengths of the Nas album into my discussion about EP/LP. I don't want my EP discussion to be about anything else.
Since always, with some exceptions for the G-spot.
If you wish to discuss something else, discuss it in another thread, or create a new thread. Tough concept?
How is the nas discography off topic though?
the new album is a part of his discography or not.
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^^ If somebody wants to discuss if Nastradamus was wack or not, and if Untitled was mediocre or decent, then it gots nothing to do with Distant Relatives.
And stop complaining about mod decisions, there's usually a reason behind them.
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Since when do threads have to stay to one topic? Is this one of those new rules? Secondly, who are you to decide where a thread goes? What if the original poster had wanted the thread to move in a different direction?
Anyway, you fail for merging posts about the long song lengths of the Nas album into my discussion about EP/LP. I don't want my EP discussion to be about anything else.
Since always, with some exceptions for the G-spot.
If you wish to discuss something else, discuss it in another thread, or create a new thread. Tough concept?
Or since never and its a case of you overmodding once again.
Fyi, if its a thread I create I don't want you doing this.
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Stop fucking bitching and crying, splitting off off-topic replies got nothing to do with overmodding.
Mod decisions are final and doesn't require an explanation or permission from thread starter, if you can't respect that, take a walk.