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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: ikke on June 03, 2010, 12:04:18 PM
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I'm watching some documentary about it and it appears that I have similar experiences very often.
They call it sleep paralysis: You can't move, might feel a weight on your chest and you might see some things.
What makes people think this is real?
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I'm watching some documentary about it and it appears that I have similar experiences very often.
They call it sleep paralysis: You can't move, might feel a weight on your chest and you might see some things.
What makes people think this is real?
Ive had that a lot of times....I know alot of people who have also. Its just where your body goes into a paralyzed state (keeping you from acting out your dreams, etc) while you sleep and you start to wake up without your body coming out of the paralyzed state. It was creepy the first time the shit happened to me when I was a kid. Cus I was aware of shit around me kind of...but couldnt move. Plus I would start gettin this feeling like I would die soon if I wasnt able to move. Shits crazy. Im sure people with overactive imaginations turn this into some "i was abducted by aliens" shit.
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The Nightmare by Henry Fuseli
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/56/John_Henry_Fuseli_-_The_Nightmare.JPG/741px-John_Henry_Fuseli_-_The_Nightmare.JPG)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Nightmare (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Nightmare)
(Note the weight on her chest.)
I've never considered the possibility of alien forces as what's agitating your dream state, but that's a wicked concept.
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The Nightmare by Henry Fuseli
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/56/John_Henry_Fuseli_-_The_Nightmare.JPG/741px-John_Henry_Fuseli_-_The_Nightmare.JPG)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Nightmare (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Nightmare)
(Note the weight on her chest.)
I've never considered the possibility of alien forces as what's agitating your dream state, but that's a wicked concept.
so according to this painting...when this happens...its really Floyd sitting on your chest?! Fuck that shit...
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I've had episodes of sleep paralysis for years. It is most prevalent when I am asleep on my back.
It is def terrifying when it happens as being paralyzed and not being able to breathe is an experience that no one should experience, and so I've researched it a bit. The best way that I rationalize it is that during sleep when you are surfing the astral realms, you consciousness returns to your body before the rest of your body switches back on and that is why you are paralyzed.
I have read theories like what J Bananas put up, basically that it is an entity that is sitting on your chest, messing with you or what not.
If you know about chakras and kundalini, there are theories that your kundalini is rising, in particular on your back and makes you susceptible to entities taking control of you.
I have also read that is related to aliens and such.
Who knows what the reason is, but it is not a fun experience.
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I've had episodes of sleep paralysis for years. It is most prevalent when I am asleep on my back.
It is def terrifying when it happens as being paralyzed and not being able to breathe is an experience that no one should experience, and so I've researched it a bit. The best way that I rationalize it is that during sleep when you are surfing the astral realms, you consciousness returns to your body before the rest of your body switches back on and that is why you are paralyzed.
I have read theories like what J Bananas put up, basically that it is an entity that is sitting on your chest, messing with you or what not.
If you know about chakras and kundalini, there are theories that your kundalini is rising, in particular on your back and makes you susceptible to entities taking control of you.
I have also read that is related to aliens and such.
Who knows what the reason is, but it is not a fun experience.
yeah when it use to happen to me....i think i just didnt wake up fast enough. No aliens....lol
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I've had episodes of sleep paralysis for years. It is most prevalent when I am asleep on my back.
It is def terrifying when it happens as being paralyzed and not being able to breathe is an experience that no one should experience, and so I've researched it a bit. The best way that I rationalize it is that during sleep when you are surfing the astral realms, you consciousness returns to your body before the rest of your body switches back on and that is why you are paralyzed.
I have read theories like what J Bananas put up, basically that it is an entity that is sitting on your chest, messing with you or what not.
If you know about chakras and kundalini, there are theories that your kundalini is rising, in particular on your back and makes you susceptible to entities taking control of you.
I have also read that is related to aliens and such.
Who knows what the reason is, but it is not a fun experience.
The thing with the actual paralysis is, you're in bed in the middle of the night, why would you want to move in the first place?
It's nothing supernatural, less developed people just think it sounds perfectly reasonable.
Where religious experiences might have sounded more reasonable in the past, alien encounters are now.
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I've had episodes of sleep paralysis for years. It is most prevalent when I am asleep on my back.
It is def terrifying when it happens as being paralyzed and not being able to breathe is an experience that no one should experience, and so I've researched it a bit. The best way that I rationalize it is that during sleep when you are surfing the astral realms, you consciousness returns to your body before the rest of your body switches back on and that is why you are paralyzed.
I have read theories like what J Bananas put up, basically that it is an entity that is sitting on your chest, messing with you or what not.
If you know about chakras and kundalini, there are theories that your kundalini is rising, in particular on your back and makes you susceptible to entities taking control of you.
I have also read that is related to aliens and such.
Who knows what the reason is, but it is not a fun experience.
The thing with the actual paralysis is, you're in bed in the middle of the night, why would you want to move in the first place?
Ive had it in the morning too. And even in the middle of the night, your body is supposed to move. When you feel like you are starting to wake up...and even feel somewhat aware of other things...but cant move at all, and start to feel like you cant breathe...its pretty fucked up. lol. I would start to feel like I needed to move to wake myself up...or I would die. Shit was a trip.
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I've never had sleep paralysis. But I've had some weird ass shit go down where I'm kind of awake and asleep at the same time. Like I'm aware of my body lying in bed but I'm also still half in a dream state where other shit is going on as well. What's cool about that is I can control the outcome of the dream to some degree at that point.
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i hate havin those dreams where you are falling and you wake up jumpin up cuz it really does feel like youre falling
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I've never had sleep paralysis. But I've had some weird ass shit go down where I'm kind of awake and asleep at the same time. Like I'm aware of my body lying in bed but I'm also still half in a dream state where other shit is going on as well. What's cool about that is I can control the outcome of the dream to some degree at that point.
yeah I can relate to that shit except I can't really control the outcome. i feel I can move but I can't really get out of my bed..and it's like there's a gang of shit going on in my bedroom..like a fuccin hurricane going through. sometimes it's like im levetating and I keep holding on to the sheets cuz it's like somebodys pulling them. its been going on for years and i ain't complainin nig. i like that crazy satanic shit.
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I too, have experienced this 'sleep paralysis'.
Woke up one night, it was dark, went over the window, looked around, suddenly realized my surroundings were not normal like I was in the world but a different aspect or level of it and thought 'I should not stray too far'.
So jumped back into bed. SUDDENLY this HORRIBLE CORPSE CHILD WAS NEXT TO ME LEERING AT ME!!!
I COULDN"T MOVE! It was like my body was a dead weight and too heavy!
I kept thinking 'I can't let that fucker touch me!'
I started thinking of my hands...eventually they gave way and I was able to move and then the little corpse child fled in fear...
I woke up and it was sunny outside.
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I got them in my drem..............they were so cute.........
hahaaaaaaaaaaaaa
lolzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.................
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Just been thru that shit a few nights ago, always scared me as a kid, not being able to move or breathe, almost shit my pants the first time it happened to me. Worst feeling in the world imo.
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On being related to aliens, I can imagine the best time for them to study us and fuck with us would be when we are at out most vulnerable, while we are asleep.
When you are in such a subconscious state like sleep you are not consciously in control of your body.
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On being related to aliens, I can imagine the best time for them to study us and fuck with us would be when we are at out most vulnerable, while we are asleep.
When you are in such a subconscious state like sleep you are not consciously in control of your body.
Do we wait for animals to go to sleep to study them?
No, we take them with violence pump them with anaesthetics and THEN study them.
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I'm just saying, if I was an Reptilian Shapeshifing Elohim Master Race alien I'd probably like to study humans in their sleeping state. There is a difference in studying an organism while its dead or incapacitated, and when its alive heaps of shits going on with its physiology and in its brain.
I think anesthesia has a totally different effect on the brain and all it does is keep nerves from sending messages so you don't feel shit.
From people who I've seen and talked to recovering from general anesthetic their minds are slowed.
But our brains are incrediblly active when we sleep. Alpha waves are produced in deep REM sleep that puts our body into repair mode. Meditation produces alpha waves too.
Perhaps our brain is like an organ of perception that can adjust to focus and to perceive things at different levels depending on how consciously or unconsciously we are using it.
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The other thing is, pumping something full of drugs and then observing it only gets you so far.
Theres even more to learn by observing us animals in the wild.
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I'm just saying, if I was an Reptilian Shapeshifing Elohim Master Race alien I'd probably like to study humans in their sleeping state. There is a difference in studying an organism while its dead or incapacitated, and when its alive heaps of shits going on with its physiology and in its brain.
I think anesthesia has a totally different effect on the brain and all it does is keep nerves from sending messages so you don't feel shit.
From people who I've seen and talked to recovering from general anesthetic their minds are slowed.
But our brains are incrediblly active when we sleep. Alpha waves are produced in deep REM sleep that puts our body into repair mode. Meditation produces alpha waves too.
Perhaps our brain is like an organ of perception that can adjust to focus and to perceive things at different levels depending on how consciously or unconsciously we are using it.
These are beings far superior to us, they're going to study us like we study animals.
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Thats what I'm saying, and we don't studying animals by only sedation and dissection. We also studying them in their natural habitat.
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Thats what I'm saying, and we don't studying animals by only sedation and dissection. We also studying them in their natural habitat.
In that case they would just "blend into" our society not break into our house.
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Of course they would want to come into our house, people spend a lot if not most of their time in their homes. They would want to observe how we live.
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They want to observe us hang shits, clip our toe nails, make love, cook food, and our thoughts and everything while we do all that.
The human condition and the human drama, the whole picture and everything spectrum of light and dark in between. Maybe they get off on that type of thing.
http://www.youtube.com/v/szwvjXo_sHQ&hl=en_US&fs=1&
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I've experienced sleep paralysis a few times. It is the most terrifying shit. The 1st time I had it was the day before 9/11. I woke up and couldn't breathe and was seeing darkl shadows moving all over the room. Another time, I awoke and there was an alien-like figure sitting at the foot of my bed with its back turned to me. I fought to try to push him off, lol, but couldn't raise my body too far off my bed. That "Nightmare" painting that was posted is pretty interesting. Apparently, people who have experienced sleep paralysis often see shit that is in their subconscious as their deepest fears. For instance, before aliens were the hot topic of the unknown, people in the past reported seeing images of demons in their bedrooms because that was the biggest subconscious fears back then. You're essentially "waking up" from a horrible nightmare and witnessing it going on around you. It happens during the deepest state of sleep (REM). Lots of scientific evidence for proof, but it's crazy what the human mind can conjure. On a side note, it is pretty ironic that my roomate at that time had a sleep paralysis experience a couple weeks later in the same apartment
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I have had sleep paralysis once. Horrible experience
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If you are able to calm yourself completely, you will be able to have an OBE (out of body experience). You can float right on out of your house and look down at your sleeping body. This to me is major proof that we are indeed a soul with a body, not a body with a soul.
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If you are able to calm yourself completely, you will be able to have an OBE (out of body experience). You can float right on out of your house and look down at your sleeping body. This to me is major proof that we are indeed a soul with a body, not a body with a soul.
yup i had some interesting experiences recently that tally up with this. both encountering a mischievous spirit and the out of body thing, floating during a semi-wakened state. intense stuff and not really by chance...starting to get into meditation seriously and the nature of things is opening up a little. i always felt it was there but to start to actually experience it through energetic cultivation is pretty crazy. i dunno if i'd call it a soul, though that works, but it's a big chunk of us operating outside of normal perceptions.
tells me the stuff medical science has grip on (most people's 'god') is only seeing a tiny amount of things, discounting all the 'subtle' energies which make up the bulk of reality. it's sad that people buy into that view so heavily, it's this western world way of seeing everything through the mind/ego that's turned people off to the suchness of things. that and the overuse/instant gratification offered by technology, all the pollution and negativity being spread to the masses...it's gone to our heads, literally. our minds only get in the way of direct perception, feeling love :)
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Etheric energy? Or more spiritual?
We as human beings were very spiritual beings long ago. People who are psychic, and who can naturally heal aren't special by the standards of yesteryear and would have been looked upon as 'handicapped' for having such limited abilities, but our minds now have been conditioned for centuries to block it all out that it takes great effort to train our minds again. Awaken to some form of truth, yoga, meditation, lucid dreaming etc etc.
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Etheric energy? Or more spiritual?
We as human beings were very spiritual beings long ago. People who are psychic, and who can naturally heal aren't special by the standards of yesteryear and would have been looked upon as 'handicapped' for having such limited abilities, but our minds now have been conditioned for centuries to block it all out that it takes great effort to train our minds again. Awaken to some form of truth, yoga, meditation, lucid dreaming etc etc.
whats your level of insight/ability if you don't mind me asking? and what methods have you been using to cultivate it? i'm a newbie like i said but after a couple of months meditating i'm getting a lot of activity in the front the brain and between the eyes. it's as if bits are being woken up and my concentration is coming online. it hasn't translated to much but i can stay focused for longer and the mind is more easily inclined to stillness. it seems there's a lot of preliminary healing work to do in the body before you can tune into very much. but it's now super obvious which activities or mindsets fuck things up and i'm making efforts to drop that stuff and make progress 8) tbh i'm super lucky to have access to this teacher that's about in these ends. i met some peeps on a retreat who'd had been doing this stuff for years even decades and they were all like it wasn't making sense or they didn't really understand it till they met dude. serious magic going down.
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That's cool Matty. Glad to see some people with knowledge of these things.
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That's cool Matty. Glad to see some people with knowledge of these things.
thanks bro. i think it's gonna be a lifelong thing for me now, practicing this stuff, healing and letting go. there's no reason why anyone, with the right teacher and enough effort, can't take this stuff pretty damn far. the key seems to be living a simple enough life that's based around love and positivity, as well as doing the practice. that way you always go forward and gain insight at a faster pace. plus there's so many benefits to calming the mind and cultivating concentration than being able to see 'beyond' or get superpowers or what have you. besides the amount of people who've gone that far is only a handful and they aren't interested in putting it out there or doing anything for mundane purposes. super powers are for real though, i can say that for certain.
more than anything ordinary experiences become amazing, its like feeling reality in HD (i had this for a while after coming off a retreat) and better than any drug imaginable. time also seems to move a lot slower. it's a blissful state to be in and ironically, our default too. but it's so easy for our energy to become misorganised via landing experiences badly that few people ever get back to it. i know i'd rather spend my life feeling like that than chasing things i don't need and inevitably suffering. no brainer, literally. the problem with society is that we're becoming increasingly obsessive and our experience of the world is nearly all cerebral. people don't seem to be able to feel anymore, or maybe it's too uncomfortable. technology seems to be a big part of it and how easy it is to get wrapped up in stimulating our minds 24/7. or easier still, being driven by chasing physical pleasure.
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Hmmm where to start with this thread....
If I could not personally relate my rationale would pour scorn on these ideas you speak about, but my own reality is that throughout my childhood years I had that kind of out of body experience which jrome referred to. t was crazy sometimes it happened at home, other times whilst sitting down in a shop waiting for my mum to finish. I wasn't even necessarily deeply relaxed, just in a state of calmness and quiet.
As for lucid dreams, yes, I have had many of them, I control entirely the direction of the dream, it's very strange to be so conscious of your own dream and yet not be able to wake from the dream either.
My mum is a healer, well, let me qualify that, she has healing abilities, the craziest thing she ever told me is that this group she goes to can channel their energy's when together and had through this channeling pushed a table from one side of the room to the other. My reaction was to greet it with scepticism and still is and yet, if that happened and let's face it, she has no reason to have lied to me about it, then you begin to ask yourself what energy's the evil at the top of this pyramid can channel.
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Very interesting virtuoso. I believe those types of things are taught in the mystery schools, that is the hidden knowledge that only select few really know about.
Matty, sounds like you're on a cool journey man. Ever done DMT?
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Very interesting virtuoso. I believe those types of things are taught in the mystery schools, that is the hidden knowledge that only select few really know about.
Matty, sounds like you're on a cool journey man. Ever done DMT?
nope only shrooms, definitely interested to try it some time. shrooms were actually what led me to this stuff recently, the spiritual practice/healing. had an intense experience where i cried a load and chucked up a load of phlegm and saw the bigger picture of life-love, the way we should conduct ourselves in this world to spread light etc. one thing i'll say about the shrooms is you get a load of healing/peeling back the ego all at once and it's kinda a lot to understand. you feel great afterward but it's hard to connect all the dots and can be a bit of a shock when you come back to reality.
meditation on the other hand you're actually training your ability to see on a permanent basis and getting deeper insight as a result. you can connect the dots precisely, down to a day to day routine level. you more closely feel the connection between states of mind/activities that interfere with a calm mind. and it's always that we have to do less, either letting go or accepting more freely. simple really. i think it's a superior way to enter into healing/purifying the mind than psychedelics, but both have their uses. some people need that breakthrough experience to feel/see things for the first time, some are more stubborn like me and need to understand very clearly what's going on before they'll drop their shit.